we are doomed for sure

[rdunk]

I'm one of those people that think that actions speak louder than words, and looking at the actions Iran has taken against other countries makes me think this Iran is being "painted" as worse than it really is.

I don't agree at all with that statement, although we all can think what we wish! The spoken word can broadcast much, and it needs to be taken at face value for what is said. Freedom of speech is a great thing, and one of the things it can do is "broadcast intent" - and spoken intent must needs to be taken seriously, with confrontation, peaceful or otherwise, as necessary to "eliminate either the "intent", or the "intentor"!

Iran has a well known history of military actions, including 52 American citizen hostages held for 444 days 1979 to 1981. And the US blew that situation too!!

[Eighthman]

The world is sorely afflicted by three nations who suffer from hateful delusions.  First, the US because its leaders believe they are 'exceptional' and have a right to police the world as they see fit.

Second, Israel because their leaders seem to think their people are favored by God above all others.

Thirdly, Saudi Arabia because they fund jihadist nonsense across the globe and think they favored by God above all others.

The Iran peace deal will help the rise of Eurasia overcome these 3 obstacles to peace. And - by dethroning the western elite, Eurasia will prevent any false flag idiocy based on Aliens Invading.   The way will then be open for Full Disclosure and possible release of Breakaway Civilization technology.   Bring it on.

[zorgon]

And what do you mean by "letting them go nuclear"? The deal is not to allow them to build nuclear weapons.

True BUT...

Remember Fukushima? All that weapons grade plutonium that is a by product of nuclear fission? 

Once you have weapons grade material on hand, you don't need a nuclear weapon  just make dirty bombs in short range missile.

Yes sooner or later some fanatic somewhere will get his hands on some and use it... and it will likely be some America nut job like the Antrax guy or McVegh...



Surely Iran must know that if they even dared  Israel would erase them of the map

[zorgon]

God will intervene before Israel is destroyed by its enemy nations, and its enemies will be decimated by however God chooses to act.

Well it would be an interesting test of your theory if Israel falls But I thought the religious leaders in Judaism were against the state of Israel...  The Orthodox certainly are

From a "natural thinking" standpoint, it is pure stupidity to make a way for someone/some country (like Iran) to get nukes, while they continually threaten to destroy or take over much of the western world, and to also annihilate Israel.

Maybe  but we are talking nuclear energy not ICBMs...  You don't get to nuclear weapons over night and it is hard to hide those.

But what right does the US have to stop another nation from getting nuclear energy?

But, in reality, whether Iran gets nukes or doesn't will make no difference on the final outcomes. In the meantime, several countries stand prepared with nuke capability to do much destruction around the world, if they decide to do that, on a whim or for reason!!

Yes Pakistan and North Korea come to mind

But North Korea launched two ICBMs to test them and both mysteriously explodes after launch

We won't mention space based weapons but notice where the target is?

[rdunk]

Zorgon said, "But what right does the US have to stop another nation from getting nuclear energy"?

IMO.......The US has same innate "right" that you and I have if someone says directly to us, "I am going to kill you", while he is aiming a gun at us as he says it!!! With that we have two choices, (1) Stand there and get shot, or (2) Shoot that "someone" first! With that someone, "disarmament negotiations" are over, when he has his gun pointed in our direction!

When the "someone" has no gun, doncha think it is a bit of stupid nonsense to give him a gun, if you know he is going to try and kill you with it??

[burntheships]

I can't believe how this made sense to anyone.

Gold.

Stupid is as stupid does in this Iran "deal"/non-treaty - goes for the senate and congress too!!

Gold.

If this goes forth I see how the phrophecies will be fullfilled.

[rdunk]

If this goes forth I see how the phrophecies will be fullfilled.

Hi bts!! I am glad that you too see the significance of the several powers (nations) of the world together negotiating a "treaty" with Iran, that likely will seem to be very bad for Israel. And the prophecies you mentioned do declare about a happening like this, with the eventual result being the joining of several of these nations with Iran, to attack Israel - ie the final battle!  

[space otter]

well the day that god saves isreal is the day of FULL and TOTAL disclosure imo

everyone would know then just what is what ..... the et folk, the religious folk, the non believers

I don't think I will be seeing it from this body..sigh   

[ArMaP]

what I mean by letting them go nuclear  was, I thought clear..sorry I will try to explain
no one believes that they will only use the nuclear energy for power.. I feel ( personal I) that it is only a matter of time before they claim to have a bomb or actually have one

Even if eventually create nuclear weapons I don't see how they are worse than the other countries that already have them.

ya got any more questions ArMaP?

Not at the moment.

...I'm beginning to think you like to type

I prefer reading, but when I read some things I have to type back.

[zorgon]

well the day that god saves isreal is the day of FULL and TOTAL disclosure imo
everyone would know then just what is what ..... the et folk, the religious folk, the non believers
I don't think I will be seeing it from this body..sigh   

UNLESS....

"God" really IS the ANNUNAKI of Sumeria and the ship is on the way

[zorgon]

I prefer reading, but when I read some things I have to type back.

The need to respond can have consequences

[ArMaP]

I don't agree at all with that statement, although we all can think what we wish! The spoken word can broadcast much, and it needs to be taken at face value for what is said. Freedom of speech is a great thing, and one of the things it can do is "broadcast intent" - and spoken intent must needs to be taken seriously, with confrontation, peaceful or otherwise, as necessary to "eliminate either the "intent", or the "intentor"!

Ah, intent. Considering how people misunderstand each other every day, I still prefer to react to actions instead of supposed intentions.

Iran has a well known history of military actions, including 52 American citizen hostages held for 444 days 1979 to 1981.

Which of those military actions were started by Iran? The hostage taking was a civilian action.

[ArMaP]

Remember Fukushima? All that weapons grade plutonium that is a by product of nuclear fission?

The plutonium from common nuclear power plants is not "weapons grade", as it's not as stable as it should.

Once you have weapons grade material on hand, you don't need a nuclear weapon  just make dirty bombs in short range missile.

I don't think you even need weapons grade material for a dirty bomb, as it doesn't need to reach a chain reaction, any radioactive material is enough.

[ArMaP]

The need to respond can have consequences

All things can have consequences, although it looks like many people forget about that.

[burntheships]

I don't think you even need weapons grade material for a dirty bomb, as it doesn't need to reach a chain reaction, any radioactive material is enough.

Right. And surely Iran already has this, at least this.

You are aware though, that Iran supports and funds Hamas,
and Hezzbollah. Giving money to Iran is giving money to
terrorists.