we are doomed for sure

[ArMaP]

You are aware though, that Iran supports and funds Hamas, and Hezzbollah.

Yes.

Giving money to Iran is giving money to terrorists.

Who is giving money to Iran?

[burntheships]

Who is giving money to Iran?

The Iran Deal ...
Granted, at this time it is sanctions relief.

[rdunk]

Lifting Sanctions Will Release $100 Billion To Iran. Then What?

ArMaP asked, "Who is giving money to Iran?

$100 billion: That's roughly how much the U.S. Treasury Department says Iran stands to recover once sanctions are lifted under the new nuclear deal. The money comes from Iranian oil sales and has been piling up in some international banks over the past few years. But there are questions about what Iran will do with this windfall.

Oil is one of Iran's most valuable commodities. And, sanctions or no sanctions, Iran found buyers over the past few years. Month after month, millions of dollars of oil revenues were added to its ledgers. But Iran hasn't been able to get its hands on that cash. It's frozen in overseas banks.

"The money is sitting in China, India, Japan, South Korea, Turkey, maybe a little bit in Taiwan," says Mark Dubowitz, the executive director of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies. "Those countries were buyers of Iranian oil."

Dubowitz, a sanctions specialist who is critical of the deal, says Iran hasn't been able to access the roughly $100 billion sitting in those banks because of sanctions imposed by the U.S. in 2012.

More: http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2015/07/16/423562391/lifting-sanctions-will-release-100-billion-to-iran-then-what

[burntheships]

I am glad that you too see the significance of the several powers (nations) of the world together negotiating a "treaty" with Iran, that likely will seem to be very bad for Israel.

Rdunk,

Yes, bad for Israel, and not good for the rest of the world either.
But, these are the times we live in.

Seems the whole world is going mostly backwards.

[ArMaP]

Lifting Sanctions Will Release $100 Billion To Iran. Then What?

It's their money.

[ArMaP]

Seems the whole world is going mostly backwards.

Just curious, what would you consider "going forward"?

[burntheships]

It's their money.

It was thier money.

Then it was frozen, as sanctioned.
Where it should remail until Iran stops funding terrorists.

Opinion only of course.

[ArMaP]

It was thier money.

Then it was frozen, as sanctioned.

Where it should remail until Iran stops funding terrorists.

Frozen not because Iran funds terrorists, frozen because they were supposedly trying to make atomic weapons.

[burntheships]

Frozen not because Iran funds terrorists, frozen because they were supposedly trying to make atomic weapons.

Actually, when the sanctions began under Bill Clinton,
they were in part due to Irans support of Hamas, Hezbollah,
and Palestine Jihadists.

ETA:
Iran and Libya Sanctions Act of 1996
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/STATUTE-110/pdf/STATUTE-110-Pg1541.pdf
See Section 2, Items 3&4.

[ArMaP]

Actually, when the sanctions began under Bill Clinton,
they were in part due to Irans support of Hamas, Hezbollah,
and Palestine Jihadists.

Not the money spoken about on the text I was commenting, that's from the 2012 sanctions.

[burntheships]

Not the money spoken about on the text I was commenting, that's from the 2012 sanctions.

I think ( I would need to research it though ) it is all the same
money, just tied up for a long time in the Central Bank.

[Eighthman]

There is so much nonsense in the world - and almost nobody sees why. 

Israel is a nasty apartheid state.  If they were forced into 'one man, one vote', the whole problem would go away - no different from the Jim Crow South or Afrikaner South Africa.  And as for Iran's "terrorism",  they are fighting Israel, not Jews.  There are thousands of Jews who live in Iran and don't want to emigrate - which drives the Zionists crazy!
Iran's leaders admitted publicly that if the Palestinians made a deal with Israel, it would be OK with them.

I'm quite happy with recent developments - and I'm somewhat surprised that more of you who post on this site don't "catch on" to the possibility of a weakened, neutralized future USA getting out of the way so that ET/Highly Advanced Tech can be brought forward for the benefit of humanity.  Eurasia is our best hope IMHO.

[Shasta56]

If we're doomed for sure, I better start cranking on all those care plans that I still have to QA.  I wanted to get some hours in the office while my shoulder heals.  I got more than I bargained for.  More computer access, more work, more headaches.  At least we won't be fighting foreclosure this year.  And I won't be filing a complaint with the department of labor to get my job back.

Shasta

[rdunk]

There is so much nonsense in the world - and almost nobody sees why. 

Israel is a nasty apartheid state.  If they were forced into 'one man, one vote', the whole problem would go away - no different from the Jim Crow South or Afrikaner South Africa.  And as for Iran's "terrorism",  they are fighting Israel, not Jews.  There are thousands of Jews who live in Iran and don't want to emigrate - which drives the Zionists crazy!
Iran's leaders admitted publicly that if the Palestinians made a deal with Israel, it would be OK with them.

I'm quite happy with recent developments - and I'm somewhat surprised that more of you who post on this site don't "catch on" to the possibility of a weakened, neutralized future USA getting out of the way so that ET/Highly Advanced Tech can be brought forward for the benefit of humanity.  Eurasia is our best hope IMHO.

Eigthman, have you ever been to Israel? Are you speaking about Israel from personal experience, or simply from hearsay? Have you by chance, ever looked at the much "Highly Advanced Tech" of all kinds that Israel has developed/is developing for the benefit of humanity??

IMO, you are way off base with your comments about Israel! Sure, Israel is a country primarily populated by Jews (75% 2014). Israel is a very old name of a country, but the Israel of today was only re-established in 1948, so it is a very young country, with Jews spread all over the world making their way back to their homeland since then. Israel is also a very small country. and the total population at the end of 2014 was only about 8.3 million. The primary language is Hebrew, and they are very nationalistic, and are very patriotic to their country.

Also, you are pretty "off-base" with your comment about Iranian Jews - not totally wrong, but the truth is quite different in reality. When Israel became a country in 1948, there were about 150,000 Jews living in Iran. The current population of Jews still living in Iran is 8,756, according to the most recent Iranian census. So, since 1948, about 94% of the Jews in Iran have left Iran. Yes, "a very few thousand Jews" still live in Iran, but it is a little hard to see a point that makes it appear that large numbers of Jews just do not want to leave Iran, with 94% having already left!!

Yes, I was in Israel quite a few years ago on a business trip, and while I was there I did get to see the Jewish people do what friends and families do during their daily work and casual lives. They are very family oriented, as they eat together, and as they play together. They work hard, and they do strive for nationalistic achievement. The Jewish sabbath extends from Friday evening to Saturday evening, and many business were closed during that time. They area highly advanced country, from a technical standpoint, with many achievements in most all areas.

Apartheid? Could be some, as most of the non-Jews are Arabs. The laws are supposedly the same for all, but......doncha think those two are a little like oil and water - just not a good way to mix them together and achieve anything that is better than the separate parts - drastically different religions, and drastically different basic style of life!!

Just FYI, here is some history information relative to Jews in Iran, from Wiki":

Islamic Republic (since 1979)[edit]

At the time of the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948, there were approximately 140,000–150,000 Jews living in Iran, the historical center of Persian Jewry. About 95% have since migrated, with the immigration accelerating after the 1979 Islamic Revolution, when the population dropped from 100,000 to about 40,000.[63] Following the Iranian Revolution, some 30,000 Iranian Jews immigrated to Israel, while many others went to the United States and Western Europe.

On March 16, 1979, Habib Elghanian, the honorary leader of the Jewish community, was arrested on charges of "corruption", "contacts with Israel and Zionism", "friendship with the enemies of God", "warring with God and his emissaries", and "economic imperialism". He was tried by an Islamic Revolutionary Tribunal, sentenced to death, and executed on May 8,[56][64] one of 17 Iranian Jews executed as spies since the revolution.[65]

Estimates of the Jewish population in Iran until the census 2011 vary. In mid- and late 1980s, it was estimated at 20,000–30,000, rising to around 35,000 in the mid-1990s.[66] The current Jewish population of Iran is 8,756 according to the most recent Iranian census.[67][68]

The condition of Jews in Iran is difficult to assess objectively. The Islamic Republic uses factions within the Iranian Jewish community to win public relations points with the Western world, but privately many Jews complain to foreign reporters of discrimination. Foreign reporters are asked by the Iranian Jewish community to self-censor their own reports for fear of repercussions on the community.[69] The Islamic government appoints the officials who run Jewish schools, most of these being Muslims and requires that those schools must open on Saturdays, the Jewish Sabbath. Criticism of this policy was the downfall of the last remaining newspaper of the Iranian Jewish community which was closed in 1991 after it criticized government control of Jewish schools. Instead of expelling Jews en masse like in Libya, Iraq, Egypt, and Yemen, the Iranians have adopted a policy of keeping Jews in Iran.[70] The strong public anti-Israel position of the Iranian Jews might be related to their desire for survival and led to their overselling of their anti-Israel positions. Their response to the questions regarding Israel have been outright denial of Israel or staying quiet. An example of the dilemma of Iranian Jews can be observed in this example :"We hear the ayatollah say that Israel was cooperating with the Shah and SAVAK, and we would be fools to say we support Israel. So we just keep quiet about it... Maybe it will work out. Anyway, what can we do? This is our home."[71]

More: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Iran

[Eighthman]

Blah, blah, blah.   Yes, black and white people are like oil and water - they just won't mix.  It just won't work, they're savages............ we've heard all this before.  It's the politics of hate and apartheid. And even many Jews in the US are admitting it. If the rest of the world allows this nationalistic racism, have we learned anything from the Holocaust? Has Israel?

Iran's former Prime Minister went to great lengths to physically embrace Orthodox Jews both in Iran and the US in public venues.  If you were a Jew or a an openly practising Christian or a woman,  which would be better? To live in Saudi Arabia or Iran?  It's UTTERLY AMAZING! The Saudis helped do 9/11 (the 28 pages Obama won't declassify) and they spread jihadism throughout the world.  Meanwhile, Pakistan is loaded with nuclear missiles, as well as Israel.

And Iran is the problem? Really?  Did you know that Iran is a world leader in sex change operations and allows transgender people by law?  Iran is EVOLVING - unlike much of the Muslim world.  Leave it alone !  Isn't it obvious by now that military interventions by the US invariably create greater problems?

Any high tech Israel comes up with (mostly military?) is small potatoes compared to the emancipation of humanity possible if the US can be pushed out of the way and suppressed tech revealed.  Isn't the existence of such tech a MAJOR point of this website? Did Ben Rich testify that it would take an 'act of God' to bust it loose? Hello?