Pope Francis assures atheists: You don’t have to believe in God to go to heaven

[zorgon]

REVELATION!!!

Pope Francis assures atheists: You don't have to believe in God to go to heaven



"The issue for those who do not believe in God is to obey their conscience."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/pope-francis-assures-atheists-you-don-t-have-to-believe-in-god-to-go-to-heaven-8810062.html

[zorgon]

Nice to know he has come around to my way of thinking

[Senduko]

This seemed relevant



The only problem I have with these pictures is that this would imply that the pope is a good man.

[zorgon]

Maybe just the lesser evil?

[zorgon]

Seems TIME Magazine agrees with you

[Senduko]

*snip*

LOL! That's way up there, well he's a catholic after all.
No but serious, this new pope has never been so close to a real politician, he talks about change but and how he's gonna change the system but so far nothing has changed, nothing has been done.

The time magazine cover has a very emperor vibe to it.

[rdunk]

REVELATION!!!

Pope Francis assures atheists: You don't have to believe in God to go to heaven

"The issue for those who do not believe in God is to obey their conscience."

If this statement was truly made from the mouth of the Pope, then he absolutely has no understanding of what Christianity is all about and why!! And I do think the Pope is supposed to be at least a Christian, isn't he?? I really do feel sorry for him, and for his part of the Christian Church, because statements like this one can destroy the eternal lives of so many!! Such a statement must be an off-the-cuff remark by the Pope, for the purpose of "maybe" trying to create a more open environment/world church that is absolutely not Jesus based?? ??

Understand, my thoughts are on the basis that what the Pope says should be in common with what God's Word says in the Bible, relative to the condition of salvation and "going to heaven".

Now, the fact of the matter is, God would not have had to sacrifice his Son on the cross, if there were any way possible for man to save himself from the law of sin=death - - - "obey your conscience the Pope says!! How can the Pope say such a thing, if he actually is a/the Christian leader of "his" Catholic Church??

Of course, it was not only the sacrifice/death/burial of Jesus that was necessary, but, the resurrection of Jesus from the dead marked the defeat of satan, and made a way of salvation for all who will accept him as Savior and Lord. There simply is not "another way" for man to save himself from hell, according to Christian teaching and according to the Bible.

As I said, I am talking about Christianity, and about what we Christians believe from what the Words of the Bible present to us. Of course again, I have no idea where/what/why a Christian Pope would make such a statement??!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

[ArMaP]

If this statement was truly made from the mouth of the Pope, then he absolutely has no understanding of what Christianity is all about and why!!

This is what the Pope wrote in 2013, in an answer to the founder of the newspaper  "La Repubblica":

As for the three questions you asked me in  the article of August 7th.  It would seem to me that in the first two, what you are most interested in is understanding the Church's attitude towards those who do not share faith in Jesus.  First of all, you ask if the God of the Christians forgives those who do not believe and do not seek faith.  Given that  -  and this is fundamental  -  God's mercy has no limits if he who asks for mercy does so in contrition and with a sincere heart, the issue for those who do not believe in God is in obeying their own conscience.  In fact, listening and obeying it, means deciding about what is perceived to be good or to be evil.  The goodness or the wickedness of our behavior depends on this decision.

[space otter]

holy crap.. has reading on here taught you guys nothing..really
you have never known good old Z try to get you folk to look up stuff or question him..?
wow Z.. you need cult  leader  status ..

sigh.. guess I am the only one questioning every blame thing on here...bunch of lazy ass sheep..sigh


https://www.catholicvote.org/what-pope-francis-really-said-about-atheists/
What Pope Francis really said about atheists

By Stephen Kokx


Pope Francis raised a lot of eyebrows Wednesday after saying all people who do good works, including atheists, are going to heaven.

At least, that's how the Huffington Post interpreted Pope Francis' Wednesday morning homily.

Here's what Pope Francis really said about atheists:

Pope Francis
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The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us, with the Blood of Christ: all of us, not just Catholics. Everyone! 'Father, the atheists?' Even the atheists. Everyone! And this Blood makes us children of God of the first class! We are created children in the likeness of God and the Blood of Christ has redeemed us all! And we all have a duty to do good. And this commandment for everyone to do good, I think, is a beautiful path towards peace. If we, each doing our own part, do good to others, if we meet there, doing good, and we go slowly, gently, little by little, we will make that culture of encounter  that so much. We must meet one another doing good. 'But I don't believe, Father, I am an atheist!' But do good: we will meet one another there. [Read more here]

Apparently, HuffPo doesn't understand the difference between redemption and salvation because here's how they reported on the pope's remarks:


Pope Francis rocked some religious and atheist minds today when he declared that everyone was redeemed through Jesus, including atheists...

Of course, not all Christians believe that those who don't believe will be redeemed, and the Pope's words may spark memories of the deep divisions from the Protestant reformation over the belief in redemption through grace versus redemption through works.

Reuters interpreted the pope's comments in a similar way:


Atheists should be seen as good people if they do good, Pope Francis said on Wednesday in his latest urging that people of all religions – or no religion – work together...

He told the story of a Catholic who asked a priest if even atheists had been redeemed by Jesus.

"Even them, everyone," the pope answered, according to Vatican Radio. "We all have the duty to do good," he said.

"Just do good and we'll find a meeting point," the pope said in a hypothetical conversation in which someone told a priest...

Francis' reaching out to atheists and people who belong to no religion is a marked contrast to the attitude of former Pope Benedict, who sometimes left non-Catholics feeling that he saw them as second-class believers.

No more than an hour went by and an inquisitive Presbyterian friend of mine emailed me with a link to the HuffPo story. "So doing good on its own is enough for salvation in Catholicism?" he asked. In response, I sent him two links that clarified the pope's words.

The first link I sent him was this blog post by Fr. Dwight Longenecker. Here is what he wrote:


The Pope is simply affirming certain truths that any somewhat knowledgable Catholic will uphold.

First, that Christ died to redeem the whole world. We can distinguish his redemptive work from the acceptance of salvation. He redeemed the whole world. However, many will reject that saving work. In affirming the universality of Christ's redemptive work we are not universalists. To say that he redeemed the whole world is not to conclude that all will be saved.

Secondly, the Pope is also affirming that all humans are created in God's image and are therefore created good. Yes, created good, but that goodness is wounded by original sin.

Thirdly, he is affirming that all men and women are obliged to pursue what is beautiful, good and true. Natural virtue is possible–even obligatory, but natural virtue on its own is not sufficient for salvation. Grace is necessary to advance beyond natural virtue to bring the soul to salvation. The Pope does not say atheists being good on their own will be saved. He says they, like all men, are redeemed by Christ's death and their good works are the starting place where we can meet with them–the implication being "meet with them in an encounter that leads eventually to faith in Christ.

The second link I sent him was this one from Catholicism.org's Brian Kelly, who was actually writing in response to a Catholic Online article whose headline read: "Pope Francis says atheists can do good and go to heaven too!"

Here is what Mr. Kelly said in response:


Pope Francis did not say that an atheist who does naturally good things can be saved if he dies an atheist. Yet that is the impression given by Catholic Online's half truth headline...

The Pope... simply reminded the faithful that there can be, and is, goodness, or natural virtue, outside the Church. And that Christ's death on the Cross redeemed all men. He paid the price so that every man could come to God and be saved.

If Catholic Online is insinuating that Pope Francis has "reformed" the irreformable dogma, outside the Church there is no salvation, then that is shameful and disingenuous.

At the end of the day, could Pope Francis have been a little clearer about what he was trying to say? Sure. That's the risk of delivering off the cuff sermons. The real fault, I think, lies with the theologically-illiterate press corps, whose understanding of basic Catholic doctrine is so infinitesimal that it is increasingly unable to report on the Catholic Church without completely embarrassing itself.


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http://www.christianpost.com/buzzvine/7-times-pope-francis-was-misquoted-132679/

7 Times Pope Francis Was Misquoted

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Articles: Pope Francis Said What?! Actually, No, He didn't
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2013/09/pope_francis_said_what_actually_no_he_didnt.html
www.americanthinker.com/.../pope_francis_said_what...
American Thinker
Sep 27, 2013 - Consider the Independent's headline: Pope Francis assures atheists: You don't have to believe in God to go to heaven." Not surprisingly, this ...





you lot are on your own from now on..the most you get outta me is maybe a link
totally unreal...hey I saw it on a forum ..must be true
hey Z said it..must be true


hey Z..tell em to send you their first born and cash

[zorgon]

hey Z..tell em to send you their first born and cash[/b][/size][/color]

What the Otter said... but
Send the CASH  keep the first borns

LOL