Militias take over Eastern Oregon refuge building during protest, standoff

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THE TRUTH: DOUBLE JEOPARDY

[Dyna]

I can try to find it, but I would need more information than that.

Thanks but that is about all I remember other then stuff about her, lived in Southern Ca had a small child stuff like that.

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right or wrong there are always two sides and sometimes things work out for both sides in ways they hadn't thought of




http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/locals-oregon-militants_568ded31e4b0cad15e637631?cps=gravity_2689_-1145673383863462399&kvcommref=mostpopular


? 01/07/2016 12:37 am ET
Dana Liebelson
Staff Reporter, The Huffington Post


Locals Rally Against Militants In Oregon: 'Knock This Crap Off'
The vast majority at a community meeting indicated they wanted the armed protesters to peacefully leave.




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Residents raise their hands as Harney County Sheriff David Ward addresses their concerns at a community meeting at the Harney County fairgrounds Wednesday, Jan. 6, 2016, in Burns, Ore.
 


BURNS, Ore. -- Hundreds of locals from Harney County, Oregon, packed a fairgrounds building on a freezing Wednesday evening to urge armed militants occupying a federal building to go home.

But even though the attendees disagreed with the occupiers' aggressive tactics, some said they were grateful to them for drawing attention to the community's economic struggles. 

"Let's just knock this crap off and go back to being friends and neighbors," said lifelong resident Jesse Svejcar. He said he disagreed with the protesters, but added: "I will thank them, if nothing else, they gave a lot of good people in this county a voice."

The meeting, hosted by Harney County Sheriff Dave Ward, opened with a prayer. The sheriff walked to the front of the room to resounding applause, with some boos in the back. He told the crowd that his deputies had been followed home, and his parents were tailed. He said someone flattened a tire on his wife's car, and she had left town due to stress.

"When I wake up tomorrow, I want to have pleasant thoughts about you -- that you did the right thing, that you packed your bags and you went home," Ward said of the anti-government protesters.

The militants, led by the sons of Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, have been holed up at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, about 30 miles from Burns, since Saturday.

"They are desecrating one of our sacred traditional cultural properties," Charlotte Rodrique, chair of the Burns Paiute Tribal Council, said at an earlier meeting on Wednesday. "They are endangering our children and the safety of our community."

The occupiers claim the federal land belongs to the mostly white population of eastern Oregon, but Harney County was largely Paiute territory prior to white settlement.

Ward asked people at Wednesday night's meeting to raise their hands if they wanted the occupiers to peacefully leave. The vast majority did, with a rogue shout of "Let them stay!" Some attendees asked the sheriff to personally pass the message to the occupiers.

"I heard a rancher come in today and say, 'We'll send a hundred guys on horseback,'" said one man.

But the community seemed to have a complicated relationship with the Bundy brothers. Some shared the protesters' concerns about federal land access, and the imprisonment of two local ranchers. And ranchers seeking federal grazing permits and leases see the government as blocking their efforts to make a living.

"I don't agree with the way that this has all turned out," said Bill Winn, who said his family had lived in the area since the 1800s. "I do appreciate this being put before America. ... I'm glad those guys did it," he added.

The protesters have claimed the community is behind them.

"We haven't had anyone come out here and tell us that they want us to go home," said a man at the wildlife refuge on Tuesday, who declined to give his name. He said the protesters were getting food from locals, including hamburgers and jerky.

On Tuesday evening, Michael Stettler, from Christmas Valley, Oregon, said occupiers received six pizzas from an address in town.

The sheriff said he was unimpressed by the claims. "If one person gives them a Snickers bar, they're going on national media and claiming that the community supports them," Ward told Oregon Public Broadcasting.

Wednesday's meeting ended with no clear plan about how law enforcement and the community planned to move forward.  And at least for now, the occupiers were staying put.

"There is a time to go home, we recognize that," Ammon Bundy said at a news conference Wednesday morning. "We don't feel it's quite time yet."

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yep America is a melting pot.....

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/standoff-in-oregon-attracts-supporters-bearing-disparate-grievances/ar-BBohyYP?li=BBnb7Kz

The New York Times
By ALAN FEUER
17 hrs ago

Standoff in Oregon Attracts Supporters Bearing Disparate Grievances

© Ruth Fremson/The New York Times Activists at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Oregon gathered around a fire last week. Various factions of the so-called Patriot movement have joined the occupation.

One of the people who have joined the Bundy family on a federal wildlife sanctuary in an arid patch of Oregon is an avowed anti-Semite from Ohio. One is an anti-Islamic ideologue from Phoenix.

Another is an online radio host — also from Ohio — who uses terms like "Obamislamistan."

Some are militant gun-rights activists, and one is a man who has declared himself to be a judge and plans to convene a "citizens' grand jury" in order to put the government on trial.

When the occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge began on Jan. 2, it was primarily the work of Ammon Bundy, the former rancher, who wants the federal government to relinquish its lands.

But as the protest has dragged on, it has become a magnet of sorts, attracting strands of diverse conservative movements from across the country.

Some are members of the so-called Patriot movement, an umbrella effort of antigovernment activists that includes groups like the Oath Keepers, an organization of law enforcement officers and military veterans, and the 3 Percent of Idaho, which focuses on the Second Amendment and derives its name from the supposed 3 percent of the colonial population that took up arms against the British.

One of the 3 Percent group's most recent focuses has been fighting the presence of refugees in Idaho.

The local authorities, as well as many local residents, have made it clear that they would like them all to leave.

At first, the logic behind the conflict seemed coherent: The Bundy brothers, sons of the Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, who made national news two years ago by facing down the government over cattle-grazing fees, wanted the federal government to turn its land holdings over to private citizens and local control. In recent days, however, the protest has metastasized and started drawing a motley cast of fellow travelers.

Some are staying in the rural town of Burns, which is 30 miles from the wildlife sanctuary and the nearest community of any size, and others have shown up at the refuge, armed with their own ideas and weapons.

"When you have a high-profile event like this, lots of people want to get in on the action," said Mark Pitcavage, the senior research fellow for the Anti-Defamation League's Center on Extremism. "It has the ability to draw all sorts out of the woodwork."

Among them is David Fry, a 27-year-old Ohioan who has regularly posted homophobic and anti-Semitic messages on social media. Jon Ritzheimer, who is also camped out with the Bundys, is a Marine veteran from Arizona who drew national attention in May when he organized an anti-Islam protest at a mosque in Phoenix; the mosque had been attended by a pair of Muslim men who opened fire earlier that month at a "Draw Mohammad" contest in Garland, Tex.

There was also Pete Santilli, the conservative host of "The Pete Santilli Show," who roamed about the refuge with a camera on a stick, cheering occupiers and heckling journalists.

Mr. Santilli spoke on his online radio show last spring about a "battle between heterosexuals and homosexuals" and once drew scrutiny from the Secret Service after saying he wanted to shoot Hillary Clinton.

At Malheur, he is working alongside people like Bruce Doucette, a computer technician who reportedly plans to seek indictments against federal officials and describes himself as a United States Superior Court judge — even though no such office exists.

"What we're seeing is an amalgamation of a lot of different and disparate strands of the extremist movement converging in one place," said Ryan Lenz, a senior writer for the Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks and studies extremist groups. "Although they all have slightly separate agendas, they've come together in Oregon because of the same intense resentment of the government."

According to Mr. Pitcavage, who has written an analysis of the philosophies behind the occupation, about a third of the protesters in Oregon were motivated, like the Bundys, by land-use issues that have bedeviled the West since the Sagebrush Rebellion of the 1970s.

The rest, he said, were drawn from various factions of the Patriot movement.

This coalition first emerged, Mr. Pitcavage said, in the crucible of the Bundy ranch standoff in 2014, during which a group of volunteer gunmen assumed positions on a highway near the town of Bunkerville, Nev., and chased off agents from the federal Bureau of Land Management who wanted to collect grazing fees from Cliven Bundy.

"Before the Bundy ranch, I'd be hard pressed to think of something similar," Mr. Pitcavage said. "It was the first major example of militiamen and Sagebrush Rebellion types spending time together and getting to know each other personally. It set the stage for what's happening today."

Some people who have studied such movements say the Oregon occupation's new recruits have been encouraged by the inaction of the federal government, which has largely left the matter to be handled by the county sheriff, David Ward.

The federal authorities have so far avoided any confrontation with the occupiers, wary of provoking a shootout.

"There's no question that there is now a brand of success associated with Bundy family standoffs," said Tarso Ramos, the executive director of Political Research Associates, a think tank that studies right-wing movements. "And the success of this standoff in surviving so far has emboldened factions that once decried the effort to act in a more confrontational manner."

Mr. Ramos pointed to the Oath Keepers, whose president, Stewart Rhodes, issued a statement during the first week of the standoff saying his group would not get involved. Mr. Rhodes later changed course, announcing that he would send an Oath Keeper team to Oregon, albeit without long guns or camouflage gear and only to "keep the peace."

The Oath Keepers are staying in Burns, not at the wildlife refuge. Well before this protest began, Mr. Ritzheimer and Mr. Rhodes had a public falling out.

Not everyone agreed that a muted federal response had fueled the growth of the occupation. Mr. Pitcavage argued that if the government had cracked down on the Bundys, as it did at conflicts in Waco, Tex., and Ruby Ridge, Idaho, it could easily "draw attention to the effort and draw more people like a magnet."

Nor was everyone in Oregon there because of an antigovernment agenda.

"I do not understand the culture," said Kristi Jernigan, 44, from Tennessee, who was among the women in the compound's kitchen feeding the occupation. Ms. Jernigan said she had little interest in politics and had arrived only "to spread love."

"You'd be surprised at all the different people here," she said.

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the difference between the gov and the group in the bldg...nothing
they both want their own way and will do whatever


http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/oregon-militia-seen-rifling-through-native-american-artifacts-at-refuge/ar-BBoxtLJ?li=BBnb7Kz

Oregon militia seen rifling through Native American artifacts at refuge

The militiamen stationed at a federal wildlife refuge in eastern Oregon are now rummaging through artifacts and documents of the Paiute tribe, sparking outrage among local Native Americans whose ancestors originally occupied the land.

LaVoy Finicum, one of the leaders of the armed protesters occupying the Malheur national wildlife refuge, posted a video of himself inside a government building looking through cardboard boxes of papers and other items associated with the local tribe – and inviting Paiute leaders to meet with the militia and reclaim their belongings.

"We want to make sure these things are returned to their rightful owner," said Finicum, who recently helped destroy a US Fish and Wildlife Service fence and remove cameras that he claimed the government was using for surveillance.

The rightwing militia, led by Ammon Bundy, took over the headquarters of the wildlife sanctuary on 2 January to protest the government's land-use regulations in rural Harney County. They have demanded that local ranchers have control of public lands – not the federal government.

But days after the occupation began, leaders of the federally recognized Paiute Indian tribe in Burns, the town closest to the refuge, decried the armed occupation, pointing out that the out-of-state militiamen were trying to claim sacred lands that are part of the tribe's ancestral territory.

The new video, posted on Wednesday night, has only further enraged tribal leaders who recently called on law enforcement officials to protect native cultural resources at the refuge and to criminally prosecute the militiamen.

"I feel disrespected that they're even out there," said Jarvis Kennedy, the tribal council's sergeant-at-arms. Kennedy said he was too upset to watch all of Finicum's video. "It's like me going through their drawers at their house."

Tribe leaders and federal officials say the refuge stores confidential documents and thousands of historic artifacts, such as baskets, spears, tools and beads. The refuge is also home to Paiute burial grounds, making the militia's recent decision to pave a road through the refuge particularly alarming.

"I could go to the Bundys where his grandparents are buried," Kennedy said. "How would they feel if I drove over their grave and went through their heirlooms?"

In his video, Finicum said that he was showing how the wildlife refuge has done a poor job maintaining the artifacts and keeping storage rooms clean. "This needs to be taken care of, and so we're reaching out to the Paiute people in the sincerest manner as we can," he said on camera. "Let's make sure that we take care of the heritage of the Native American people."

Added militia member Blaine Cooper: "The rightful owners need to come back and claim their belongings."

But Kennedy said the tribe has a good relationship with refuge officials and noted that the Paiute people refuse to communicate with militia leaders or visit the occupation.

"I'm not going to give them the satisfaction of meeting with them," Charlotte Rodrique, chairwoman of the Burns Paiute tribe, told the Guardian last week.

Kennedy noted that the militiamen have had no trouble leaving and returning to the refuge and feared one of them might damage or steal their artifacts and documents. "All the stuff they are doing out there, it's like a crime scene," he said. "Once this is done, we'll see what's missing."

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Here is the real story from my friend Pete Santilli, the ONLY reporter that has Ammon Bundy's confidence, hence, LIVE reporting from the front lines., captured in one place by RebelMouse.  Enjoy and learn.

BTW, KrissAnn hit one out of the park with her two nights teach-in at Burns.

thorfourwinds on social media

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Here is the real story

well the real story or the truth is mostly personally subjective and has as many parts as there are folks involved...none of the parts are wrong or bad..just not the same
so here's some more truth from another part


*edit to correct grammer..sigh






http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/oregon-occupation-cost_us_56a292b8e4b0404eb8f1990a


? 01/22/2016 04:54 pm ET
Dana Liebelson
Staff Reporter, The Huffington Post


Dear Armed Protesters: Your Little Occupation Is Very Expensive
The takeover is costing taxpayers hundreds of thousands of dollars, the Oregon governor says



ASSOCIATED PRESS

Ammon Bundy, left, approaches an FBI gate at the Burns Municipal Airport in Oregon on Friday, Jan. 22, 2016. Bundy is the leader of an armed group occupying a national wildlife refuge to protest federal land policies. The stunt hasn't come cheap.

WASHINGTON -- Oregon Gov. Kate Brown (D) this week urged federal authorities to do something about the armed protesters wreaking havoc in the state's rural community of Harney County. The militants are costing the state about $100,000 per week, she said, a staggering sum given the occupation's small size. That cost doesn't include salaries paid to federal employees who can't work, or the fence protesters ripped apart with a stolen government excavator.

Militants took over the headquarters of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, which is about 30 miles from the town of Burns, on Jan. 2. The group includes the sons of Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, and they're a small, ragtag operation. During the first week, only a handful of non-reporters could be seen wandering the refuge grounds at any one time. Later, a horse named Hellboy showed up. Occupiers have quit their jobs and lost their children, and they collect food donations, including soup and jerky.

They are protesting the imprisonment of two local ranchers, as well as land stewardship by the U.S. Bureau of Land Management. Some locals share their concerns, but the community has taken issue with the militants' tactics and repeatedly asked them to go home. The occupiers have refused, and the community is now stuck with a staggering bill.

Multiple law enforcement entities are helping the local sheriff keep the peace. (Harney County Sheriff Dave Ward said that deputies have been followed home, and someone flattened a tire on his wife's car.) The $100,000 per week represents the costs of labor, including overtime, travel reimbursement, lodging and meals for those personnel, said Kristen Grainger, a spokeswoman for Gov. Brown.

"This approach is not sustainable," she added.

Earlier this month, Harney County Judge Steven Grasty broke down the costs in more detail. He said that during the first week of the occupation, school closures due to safety concerns cost the community over $35,000 per day. He added that at least 13 officers were working overtime, and money also went to setting up a command center for federal and local law enforcement.

"My fear is we've got a good community with good people, and we've got crazies who have come in here and they're undoing us," Grasty said.

The Bureau of Land Management office in Burns, which covers about 120 permanent and temporary employees, closed over safety concerns when the occupation started. From then until Jan. 8, the government spent $125,000 in administrative leave costs, because employees were unable to work or were teleworking. The office remains closed, and those costs have continued to rise, a BLM spokesperson said.

The occupation has likely racked up other costs as well. The protesters have vowed not to disturb the refuge, but they have nonetheless destroyed part of a fence, pawed through artifacts belonging to the Paiute tribe and been accused of using government vehicles.

Someone has to pay for all this stuff. Cliven Bundy already owes more than $1 million in unpaid grazing fees. His son, Ammon Bundy, has started talking to federal authorities, but it's not yet clear what charges he and the other protesters may face. Federal law makes it a felony, with a sentence of up to 10 years, for anyone who "converts to his use" government property worth over $1,000 without authorization. Individuals convicted of crimes also generally pay restitution to victims. Ammon Bundy did not immediately return a Facebook message seeking comment on the price of the occupation.

The Bureau of Land Management is keeping its legal options open, a spokesperson said. Brown is seeking an appropriation during the February 2016 legislative session, and will pursue strategies for federal reimbursement of the state's expenses. Earlier this month, Grasty said that he planned to send the occupiers a personal invoice. The bill would be symbolic, but he hoped it would raise awareness.

"The world is going to know what this cost," he said.

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One question....

Where is the refuge in relation to the schools they had to shut down for safety?

Why did they have to shut down the schools since no one is making any threats against the community

13 offiders getting over time and travel expenses   can't do their work?  WTF? Are they not there keeping the peace and is that not what they get paid for?


I think they need to end this and go home. It is NOT getting desired resukts and the media spins is just undoing all the good they did at Bundy Ranch. They are fast losing the support of the average people...

They made their point  end it now and return to fight another day

[thorfourwinds]

The MSM has never been very good at reporting the "real" story.

Please consider another angle, from the people who were there.



NATIVE ARTIFACTS DESECRATED AT WILDLIFE REFUGE by GOVERNMENT - YouTube


Published on Jan 20, 2016
PATRIOTS WANT TO RETURN THEM TO NATIVE AMERICANS!

As I suggested to the Bundys ....these should be blessed by the Creator, and offered to the Paiute Nation as a Peace offering.

Just my opinion......My respect to the Honorable Paiute Nation....this is my offering to you in and for peace and love between us. We are not your enemy. Native American artifacts found at refuge buried in filth and rodent droppings.

With a heavy heart we bring you this report of horrible conditions for objects of native cultural heritage being treated with disrespect. Contrary to reports by main stream media who have accused the Refuge protesters of allegedly desecrating Native American objects, this report should prove once and for all that it is the US Federal Government bureaucracy that is responsible for that and far worse.

These objects are dated stored and tagged for 35 years or more.

Report broken by Thomas Robert Lacovara-Stewart and Blaine Cooper of Third Watch

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  Thor
we are probably not going to have the same point of view on this or some other things
doesn't mean I don't see your point or the point of those out doing what they feel is correct

so I repeat this
the truth is mostly personally subjective and has as many parts as there are folks involved...none of the parts are wrong or bad..just not the same


and like I said way back ..you gotta pick your battles and I think the made a mistake with this one
the guys they were standing up for   didn't want it..they actually voluntarily went back to jail for cryin out loud...not a good start

if you want to win the battle at least get some of the public press on your side.. not just your buddies

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ok how's this..that was huff post btw


http://www.inquisitr.com/2685300/oregon-native-american-paiute-to-armed-bundy-militia-members-the-land-was-stolen-from-us-not-you/


January 6, 2016

Oregon Native American Paiute To Armed Bundy Militia Members — 'The Land Was Stolen From Us, Not You'

JohnThomas Didymus

Speaking in an interview with Reuters on Tuesday at the tribe's reservation meeting house, Charlotte Rodrique, chairwoman of the Burns Paiute Tribe, criticized the armed militia members; and referring to ongoing dispute between the Northern Paiute tribe and the federal government over land and water resources, Rodrique commented that the armed militia members appeared to have overlooked the fact that "there was never an agreement that we [the Paiute] were giving up this land."

"We were dragged out of here," she said.

However, she noted that despite the fact that they had owned the land in the western Oregon mountains long before any European set foot in North America, they have preferred a "less adversarial approach" than the armed militia members on whose behalf the federal government "stole" the land after President Ulysses Grant established the Malheur Indian Reservation for the Northern Paiute in 1872.

"I just think they [the armed militia members] are a bunch of glory hounds. Look at us, look at what we're doing. I don't give much credence to their cause," she said.


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yeah you're right the inquisitor isn't that good a reference

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http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/tribe-denounces-malheur-refuge-occupation-/

Tribe Denounces Malheur Refuge Occupation

by Amanda Peacher  OPB | Jan. 6, 2016 10:26 a.m. | Updated: Jan. 6, 2016 3:55 p.m. | Burns, Oregon


Burns Paiute tribe chair Charlotte Rodrique addresses reporters during a press conference in response to the armed occupation of the nearby Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Burns, Ore., Wednesday, Jan. 6, 2016. A leader of the Oregon Indian tribe whose ancestral property is being occupied by an armed group opposed to federal land policy said Wednesday that the group is not welcome and needs to leave.

Manuel Valdes/AP

The Burns Paiute Tribe has denounced the occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Headquarters.

Tribal council members said Wednesday the militants are desecrating sacred traditional property and need to leave. The 190,000 acre wildlife refuge is within the Paiute tribes' ancestral territory in Southeast Oregon. 

"Armed protesters don't belong here.  By their actions, they are endangering one of our sacred sites," said tribal Chair Charlotte Rodrique.

Rodrique said she told a friend she was offended by the militants' notion that they could return the refuge lands to their rightful owners.

"I'm sitting here trying to write an acceptance letter for when they return all this land to us," Rodrique said. 

"What if it was a bunch of natives that went out there and overtook that? Would they let us come into town and get supplies?" said Council member Jarvis Kennedy. "They just need to get the hell out of here. We don't want them here."

Ammon Bundy was asked about the tribe's comments at a press conference at the wildlife refuge Wednesday.

"That is interesting," Bundy said, responding to a reporter's question. "They have rights as well. I would like to see them be free from the federal government as well. They're controlled and regulated by the federal government very tightly and I think they have a right to be free like everybody else."

The council said the tribe sees the wildlife federal managers of the refuge as good partners.

"We look at them as a protector of our cultural sites in that area," Rodrique said.  She expressed concerns about the cultural artifacts in the refuge.

The Burns Paiute Reservation consists of about 1,000 acres near Burns. There are 420 enrolled members of the tribe, about half of whom live on the reservation. The location of the refuge was a wintering ground for the Paiute people before white settlers arrived.

Rodrique describes the militants as "ramrodding their way through things and possibly being destructive."

"This is still our land, no matter who is living on it," Rodrique said.

She said she had not spoken directly to the Bundys.

"I wouldn't dignify them with a meeting," she said.

Rodrique thinks law enforcement should cut the power to the refuge headquarters and wait out the occupiers. 


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http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2016/01/burns_piaute_tribe_militants_s.html

Burns Paiute Tribe: Militants need to get off 'our land'

BURNS PAIUTE RESERVATION — Leaders of the Burns Paiute Tribe on Wednesday called on militants occupying a federal wildlife compound to end their standoff.

In a press conference, the tribal council sought to educate the public about their own painful history with the federal government. The militants, they said, are only making things worse for everyone in Harney County.

"They just need to get the hell out of here," said Jarvis Kennedy, a member of the tribal council. "They didn't ask anybody, we don't want them here...our little kids are sitting at home when they should be in school."

The group of 20 or so militants, led by right-wing activists Ammon Bundy and his two brothers, seized the refuge headquarters on Saturday.

The Paiute Tribe once occupied a large swath of land that includes the Malheur National Wildlife refuge — archaeological evidence dates back 6,000 years — but they were forced out in the late 1870s. Before settlers arrived, the tribe used it as a wintering ground, said Charlotte Rodrique, the tribal chair.

"We as a tribe view that this is still our land no matter who's living on it," Rodrique said.






   
 

'They just need to get the hell out of here' says Burns Paiute tribal council member

In a press conference the morning of Wednesday, January 6, 2015, the Burns Paiute tribal council sought to educate the public about their own painful history with the federal government. The militants, they said, are only making things worse for everyone in Harney County. "They just need to get the hell out of here," said Jarvis Kennedy, a member of the tribal council.

In 1868, the tribe signed a treaty with the federal government that requires the government to protect natives' safety. According to the tribe, the federal government promised to prosecute "any crime or injury perpetrated by any white man upon the Indians."

Rodrique said the tribe never ceded its rights to the land. It works with the U.S. Bureau of Land Management to preserve archaeological sites.

"We feel strongly because we have had a good working relationship with the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge," she said. "We view them as a protector of our cultural rights in that area."

About 200 people live in the Burns Paiute Reservation, located 30 miles from the refuge headquarters. The tribe owns 11,000 acres of land nationwide, Rodrique said.

The tribal council met with archaeologists at the refuge Tuesday. Tribal leaders said they're worried the militants could damage archaeological sites.

Although the tribe says it's pleased with the federal government's response so far, some wondered aloud whether nonwhite militants would be given such passive treatment.

"I wonder if it was bunch of natives that went out there and overtook that, or any federal land," Kennedy said. "Would they let us come into town and get supplies and re-up?"

— Ian K. Kullgren



............so maybe the tribe and the two guys they say they were standing up for should have been ask for THEIR opinion in this first...

like I said.. ya gotta pick your battles or you just look stupid

[thorfourwinds]

Published on Jan 21, 2016
Harney County Oregon's Judge Steve Grasty strutted like a peacock in front of constituents, but not all of them were impressed.

Nasty Grasty is a Henchman for the BLM and a Tool of the Empire.

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Published on Jan 23, 2016
Constitution is all Our Rights to Live Under The lord as Free Men and Women not under Slavery of any Man's Power

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Letter to U.S. Military From SGM Joseph A. Santoro (Ret), Oath Keepers Operations NCO, Writing from Burns, OR | Oath Keepers

January 15, 2016[/url]


In case you haven't read it:

Transcript of the Constitution of the United States - Official Text