Militias take over Eastern Oregon refuge building during protest, standoff

[space otter]

this is NOT good .. not good at all..damn


Ammon Bundy Arrested, Follower Killed, During Confrontation With Law Enforcement In Oregon
Five others also were arrested.

? 01/26/2016 09:56 pm ET | Updated 2 minutes ago 
Nick Visser
Reporter, The Huffington Post

Ammon Bundy, leader of the month-long militant occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Burns, Oregon, was arrested Tuesday in a highway confrontation with law enforcement that killed one of his followers and wounded another, according to the FBI.

Bundy and four followers were arrested in a traffic stop in which shots were fired, the FBI said in a statement.

The FBI said the shootings happened when agents, along with Oregon state troopers, stopped a vehicle to arrest people involved in the armed occupation on charges of conspiracy to impede federal officials from discharging their duties.

"During that arrest, there were shots fired," the FBI said. "One individual who was a subject of a federal probable cause arrest is deceased. ... One individual suffered non-life threatening injuries."

A sixth person involved in the occupation was arrested about 90 minutes later in Burns, the FBI said.

"We have been informed that Ammon was taken in to custody while outside the refuge and that shots were fired, but confirmation of these details is still lacking," the Bundy Ranch said on its Facebook page.

KTVZ reported a medical helicopter was sent to Burns on Tuesday afternoon. The Harney District Hospital in the city was on lockdown following the reports, and 56 miles of highway was closed by the Oregon Department of Transportation between the refuge and the city of John Day.

Bundy and several other militants occupying the refuge had been expected to attend a meeting in the town on Tuesday evening.

Bundy and his armed anti-government group had occupied a building in the Malheur refuge since early January. They seized the area in support of two ranchers jailed for arson and in protest of federal management of public land.

This is a developing story, check back for updates.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ammon-bundy-arrested_us_56a8267ce4b0f7179928639c

[thorfourwinds]

Our friend Lavoy Finicum is dead,
assassinated by the FBI with his hands up.

Ryan Payne was shot multiple times,
but still alive at this time.

Ammon and Ryan Bundy have been arrested
along with others at multiple locations.

[A51Watcher]

1 dead, 7 arrested after leaders of armed group occupying refuge clash with FBI

HARNEY COUNTY, Ore. — One person is dead and seven others, including Oregon occupation leader Ammon Bundy, were detained following a violent confrontation with the FBI and state police Tuesday night.

It all began with a traffic stop while Bundy and some of his followers were en route to a community meeting at a John Day senior center, about 70 miles north of Burns.

Shots were fired after FBI agents, Oregon State troopers and other law enforcement agencies made the stop on US Highway 395.



Ammon Bundy, Ryan Bundy, Brian Cavalier, Shawna Cox and Ryan W. Payne were arrested during the stop. Joseph Donald O'Shaughnessy and online talk-show radio host Peter Santilli were arrested in Burns.

All of them are facing federal felony charges of conspiracy to impede officers of the United States from discharging their official duties, through the use of force, intimidation or threats.

LaVoy Finicum, an outspoken member of the armed group who would often speak at news conferences in place of Bundy, was shot and killed during the confrontation. Ryan Bundy suffered a non-life threatening injury in the shooting.

CNN is reporting it's unclear who fired first.




More at the link -

http://katu.com/news/local/leader-of-oregon-occupation-ammon-bundy-three-others-arrested

[A51Watcher]

Rodrique thinks law enforcement should cut the power to the refuge headquarters and wait out the occupiers. 

Yeah... good idea.

Law enforcement could have taken that route at Waco also.

In both cases they chose not to.

[WarToad]

Idiots from the very start.  Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

The Hammonds didn't want their help or them there.
The local community didn't want them there. 
The Three Percent of Idaho militia group told them to stand down.  It was the wrong fight, the wrong time, the wrong place.

But no.  Bullheaded from start to finish.  Mother Nature doing what Mother Nature does best.  Weed out the gene pool via your own piss poor choices.

Edit - Clarification - I'm not defending the FBI's actions.  I'm saying these guys chose their own fate from the get go.  You pick up arms, you're willing to shoot and be shot.

[zorgon]

FBI OFFICIAL STATEMENT

Eight people were arrested, and one man died yesterday as we attempted to take him into custody. Because there is an on-going investigation by the Deschutes County Major Crimes Team on behalf of OSP related to this piece of the investigation, I will not be able to comment on the specifics.

I would, however, ask for your patience as the shooting investigation works its way through that outside process. At the appropriate time, the Medical Examiner's office will release the decedent's identity, and OSP will address the details of the event.

http://www.mycentraloregon.com/2016/01/27/fbi-releases-statement-following-fatal-shooting-arrests-from-refuge-occupation/

[zorgon]

CBS/AP January 28, 2016, 9:28 PM
New video shows deadly confrontation between FBI, Oregon militia

A man identified as Finicum gets out of the truck. At first, he has his hands up, but then he reaches into his pocket and he falls into the snow.

"On at least two occasions, Finicum reaches his right hand toward a pocket on the left inside portion of his jacket," said Greg Bretzing, special agent in charge for the FBI in Portland.

"He did have a loaded 9mm semi-automatic handgun in the pocket," he said.

Bretzing also said Finicum's truck nearly hit an FBI agent before it got stuck in the snow.

"Actions have consequences," Bretzing said. "The FBI and OSP tried to effect these arrests peacefully."

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-video-shows-deadly-confrontation-between-fbi-oregon-militia/

[thorfourwinds]

Published on Jan 30, 2016
In MEMORY OF LAVOY FINICUM. A GREAT MAN AND A TRUE AMERICAN PATRIOT, HE GAVE HIS LIFE SO WE COULD BE FREE, He is now Cradled Up in the Arms of The Lord.?
Music, When Angels Cry/Corey Smith

[thorfourwinds]

[thorfourwinds]

LaVoy Finicum: proud owner/open carry Colt .45...
(NEVER a 9mm "toy" FBI throw-away/plant weapon)

Rest In Peace LaVoy | Oath Keepers

by Jason Van Tatenhove , February 5, 2016
(NOTE: Jason Van Tatenhove, SGM Joseph Santoro, and Jordan Page, are attending Lavoy Finicum's funeral today):

Today we a bury one of our best...

A true friend and  hero to the cause of Liberty. A family man, loving husband, father, friend, mentor, man of faith, a true American Patriot. Why is it always the best among us that seem to be taken from us first?

We vow to continue on with LaVoy's legacy; his sacrifice will not be in vain.

LaVoy at Bundy Ranch, April 12, 2014.

This video shows, for all to see, what kind of man LaVoy was:

The funeral services for LaVoy will be held today in Kanab, Ut at the Kabab Stake Center, 1435 S. McAlester Dr., Kanab UT.

Viewing is from 11- 2 pm funeral services start at 2:30 pm.

There will be a fundraising memorial concert at the Kanab Middle School, 690 South Cowboy Way in Kanab that starts at 5:30 pm. 100% of the donations raised go directly to the Finicum family.

Jordan Page and members of Finicum family will be performing at this fund raising event.
Please keep the family in your thoughts and prayers today.

Here is the last interview I had the honor of conducting with LaVoy before he passed:

tfw
Peace Love Light
Liberty & Equality or Revolution

Hec'el oinipikte  (that we shall live)

[thorfourwinds]

Published on Jan 29, 2016
I offer my condolences to the Finicum Family and Friends.
(Photos added by tfw)

STATEMENT FROM THE LAVOY FINICUM FAMILY 1-29-2016

We know that there are always at least two sides to every story.

We also know and recognize that the FBI and law enforcement agencies involved will do everything in their power to make it appear as if the needless death of our husband, father, grandfather, brother and son, LaVoy Finicum, was justified.

Like almost everyone else, we were not there, so we don't know exactly what happened. Like most others, we have no choice but to rely on other sources of information. One of those sources of information is the account of Victoria Sharp.

Another piece of information is the video recently released by the FBI, along with the FBI's chosen narrative of what happened.

In response to this information, we would like to make a few observations.

The first observation is that from what we understand, the occupation was on track toward a peaceful resolution.

LaVoy and those he was with were en route to a public meeting in an adjoining county when they were stopped in something far different than a "routine traffic stop," as has been portrayed by the media.

Unfortunately, the powers that be were not interested in being patient enough for the occupation to come to a peaceful end. Some had called for LaVoy and those he was with to simply be gunned down, just as he was, with no due process.

Oregon Governor, Kate Brown, was putting pressure on the FBI to end it sooner rather than later. The Harney County Sheriff's Department working in conjunction with the FBI tried to do everything they could to emphasize how disruptive the occupation was to the local community, when in reality it appears to have been their own reaction that was causing most of the disruption. And it was the FBI that chose to escalate the situation to force a confrontation, and violent ending.

With respect to the actual facts and circumstances surrounding LaVoy's death, the video really speaks for itself.

People will interpret it according to their own views. As the FBI's own narrative stated, LaVoy was not wielding a firearm or any other weapon when he was killed. His hands were obviously in the air. Knowing LaVoy, it is our view that he was moving away from the vehicle in an attempt to draw any hostility or violence away from the others.

Unfortunately, we don't know what he was saying, and what was being said to him. He appears to have been gesturing, or trying to keep his balance while moving in the deep snow. Although he may have been animated, he does not appear to have been threatening or posing any real threat or danger to anyone. The FBI claims that LaVoy had a loaded firearm in an inside pocket of his coat.

After re- reviewing the extended video, at this point we are not accepting at face value the FBI's statement that LaVoy was actually armed. But even if he was, as far as we can see, that firearm posed no more danger to anyone than it would have if he had stayed in the vehicle, with his hands on the steering wheel. Contrary to what has been stated by some sources, LaVoy was not "charging" anyone.

He appears to have been shot in the back, with his hands in the air.

It is our understanding that according to applicable law, the use of deadly force is justified only if there is a genuine threat of death or serious bodily injury. It is our understanding and position that deadly force should only be used as a last resort. In LaVoy's case, it appears that they were determined to go straight to the last resort.

It is our understanding that the U.S. Supreme Court and Ninth Circuit Court of appeals have ruled as follows:[/i]

"The reasonableness of [officers'] actions depends both on whether the officers were in danger at the precise moment that they used force and on whether [the officers'] own reckless or deliberate conduct during the seizure unreasonably created the need to use such force."

"[W]here an officer intentionally or recklessly provokes a violent confrontation . . . he may be held liable for his otherwise defensive use of deadly force."

Although officers may claim self-defense, they may still be liable for using excessive force if their reckless and unconstitutional actions create the need to use excessive force.

It is our understanding that in addition to shooting LaVoy multiple times, after he was left lying harmlessly on the ground the officers also fired upon his truck and the passengers in it, putting them all at risk, despite the fact that they were posing no threat to anyone.

The video clearly shows one of the windows being blown out. It has been gut- wrenching for our family to view the video of LaVoy being shot, and then left to lie in the snow while a whole army of so-called "public servants" terrorized the others.

We can only hope their families never have to watch such a thing.

We will be interested to inspect the vehicle.

We will also be interested to see the autopsy report.

Semper Fi, Brother Lavoy Finicum.
You were THE First Responder to the Second American Revolution.
Your sacrifice will not go un-noticed nor in vain.
We Love you, Brother. R.I.P.

With great respect,
thorfourwinds


tfw
Peace Love Light
Liberty & Equality or Revolution

Hec'el oinipikte  (that we shall live)

[Eighthman]

Once upon a time, a great American general was faced by a more powerful army. He won eventually because he adopted The Fabian Strategy.  Many years later, the US empire itself was defeated in Vietnam by this strategy.

My sincere condolences for this brave man's passing - but that said, this gathering was playing into the government's hands.

[space otter]

while I respect your views and your honoring your friend
and I am sorry for the lost of life from a bullet for any reason

I respectfully disagree with your statement of
(You were THE First Responder to)    the Second American Revolution.
this was no revolution

I feel that any  american revolution would be for the people..many people
meaning more than a handful of rich ranchers stupidly having a tantrum to get their own way

[Eighthman]

If progress is made in this nation, it won't be by direct revolution, generally.  It will be because of limp passive-aggressive behavior and technology.  The rich will lose wealth in the next crash and tech will eventually give us cheap/free energy and 3-D decentralized manufacturing.  The new T-14 tank (Russia) is supposedly a product of                     3-D stuff.

People are w-a-y too dependent on pharmaceuticals to do any revolution - and the same goes for any resumption of the draft.  Sorry, Sarge. I can't take that hill today because I lost my diabetic/antidepressant/HIV pills.  This is so widespread that a Pentagon report suggested that more than 70% of young men would be disqualified. Today, the Pentagon also reported that climate change concerns were now a priority ( winning apparently isn't).  There is pressure to let women into all combat service even though the evidence against their equal performance is solid.

With neither an effective army, nor an effective rebellion, the future of the US is going to be interesting.

[thorfourwinds]

Audio of Haunting Oath Keepers Phone Call With LaVoy Finicum Two Days Before His Death | Oath Keepers

WHAT ABOUT THE LAST FOUR AT THE REFUGE?

Stewart Rhodes
8 February, 2016, 21:38

We tried, before the FBI locked the place down fully, but these last four just would not budge, and then just yesterday we asked the FBI again if we could make one last attempt to go in and escort the "final four" out, and the FBI said no, they would not let anyone in to do that, because they are concerned for the safety of anyone attempting it, based on prior statements by those on the refuge.

No, David Frye has put out a video saying that is nonsense, that they would not fire upon anyone coming in to escort them out. But, the fact remains that the FBI will not let us try it.

And, the window of opportunity for those final four to leave without charges (other than the pre-existing Wisconsin warrant for Sean Anderson) has apparently closed. It looks like all of them are now facing charges. They waited too long.

You should know that we did successfully get the children off the refuge by working with the FBI and with WA State Representative Matt Shea, and his "man on the ground" at the refuge. And when the kids left, along with all but one of the women (Sean Anderson's wife), a bunch of men left too, including Blaine Cooper.

So, we have tried many times, through back channels, and so has PPN, to get all of them to leave, and these four are the last hold-outs. And note that Ammon Bundy himself told them to leave, to go home, and let him carry on the fight in the courts. But they won't even listen to him.

It doesn't help at all that his own father, Cliven Bundy, is telling them to stay, and also proclaiming that HE is now in charge, and that "the people" will not give the refuge up to the feds. How he expects to obtain that goal is beyond me.

I am willing to do whatever can be done, but it looks like the window has closed on us being able to go there and try to talk them out, in person.

The FBI just won't let us in there anymore.

Stewart