Looks Like Fog.....In the Distance

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What other pictures? The ones from the same sol or any other picture?

take any pic of any of the last 1000+ sols where  the sun was photographed in the morning

And that's one thing I avoid doing, as it brings more variables to the equation and makes it harder to solve, not easier. If we want to solve a problem, one usual method is to break it into smaller, easier problems; finding more problems as if they are solutions is faking a solution and doesn't bring us closer to the real answer.

can you explain this in terms related to the current discussion?

Yes, and maybe humidity, if enough, but I doubt it.

temperature inversion . the bodies of air trapped in the crator that vary in temperature would form a layer , trapping Water in a temperature suitable for forming Fog/water vapour

PS: in the case of the photo we are talking about, if you look at this page you can see that the camera was pointing almost directly to west. The time the photo was taken (Mars time) was 01:34:09 P.M.

so your saying the Fog had a late rise .. plausible , just as here on earth, some days Fog can linger

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[ArMaP]

take any pic of any of the last 1000+ sols where  the sun was photographed in the morning

OK, that explains it.

can you explain this in terms related to the current discussion?

We are talking about a specific photo, you talked about "other pictures" without specifying what you meant (as usual), that's why I said that. If you had said "other pictures where the sun was photographed in the morning" my answer would have been different.

temperature inversion . the bodies of air trapped in the crator that vary in temperature would form a layer , trapping Water in a temperature suitable for forming Fog/water vapour

So, are you talking about a hypothetical colder air layer moving over the warmer air inside the crater and creating a fog layer?

so your saying the Fog had a late rise .. plausible , just as here on earth, some days Fog can linger

No, I'm saying it's not fog.

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So, are you talking about a hypothetical colder air layer moving over the warmer air inside the crater and creating a fog layer?

indeed , otherwise how could you get dust devils if opposite bodies of  air didn't interact

why is it not Fog ?

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[ArMaP]

indeed , otherwise how could you get dust devils if opposite bodies of  air didn't interact

Now I'm confused, again.

Were you talking about dust devils or fog? Fog is created by differences in temperature between two layers of the atmosphere, dust devils are a much smaller phenomena that can happen just because there's wind blowing in the right direction.

why is it not Fog ?

I already said, it doesn't look like fog, it looks too uniform, dust in the air looks like that.

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Now I'm confused, again.

Were you talking about dust devils or fog? Fog is created by differences in temperature between two layers of the atmosphere, dust devils are a much smaller phenomena that can happen just because there's wind blowing in the right direction.

please explain this further please

in the right direction ? ..

*dark and distant chuckling can be heard far far down deep*

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[ArMaP]

On my street there's a building slightly recessed from the others, and if the wind blows from East to West it creates small dust devils in front of that building.

Dust devils are only a result of wind.

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On my street there's a building slightly recessed from the others, and if the wind blows from East to West it creates small dust devils in front of that building.

Dust devils are only a result of wind.

no links to  a Nasa type explanation ? surprising ,

hows the fever? you feeling better yet ?

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[funbox]

On my street there's a building slightly recessed from the others, and if the wind blows from East to West it creates small dust devils in front of that building.

Dust devils are only a result of wind.

hmm ,a simple wiki for you , given your not 100%

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dust_devil

Dust devils form when hot air near the surface rises quickly through a small pocket of cooler, low-pressure air above it. If conditions are just right, the air may begin to rotate. As the air rapidly rises, the column of hot air is stretched vertically, thereby moving mass closer to the axis of rotation, which causes intensification of the spinning effect by conservation of angular momentum. The secondary flow in the dust devil causes other hot air to speed horizontally inward to the bottom of the newly forming vortex. As more hot air rushes in toward the developing vortex to replace the air that is rising, the spinning effect becomes further intensified and self-sustaining. A dust devil, fully formed, is a funnel-like chimney through which hot air moves, both upwards and in a circle. As the hot air rises, it cools, loses its buoyancy and eventually ceases to rise. As it rises, it displaces air which descends outside the core of the vortex. This cool air returning acts as a balance against the spinning hot-air outer wall and keeps the system stable.[5]

The spinning effect, along with surface friction, usually will produce a forward momentum. The dust devil is able to sustain itself longer by moving over nearby sources of hot surface air.

As available extreme hot air near the surface is channeled up the dust devil, eventually surrounding cooler air will be sucked in. Once this occurs, the effect is dramatic, and the dust devil dissipates in seconds. Usually this occurs when the dust devil is not moving fast enough (depletion) or begins to enter a terrain where the surface temperatures are cooler, causing unbalance.[6]

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[ArMaP]

no links to  a Nasa type explanation ? surprising ,

No, I preferred a personal observation.

hows the fever? you feeling better yet ?

Almost gone, thanks.

[ArMaP]

If conditions are just right, the air may begin to rotate.

I suppose that's the part I talked about, the direction of the wind and the shape of the area that create those "right conditions" to make it rotate.

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I suppose that's the part I talked about, the direction of the wind and the shape of the area that create those "right conditions" to make it rotate.

indeed but even that "Wind" is the interaction of varying density's/ temperatures of bodies of air.

just like water, temperature, separation and sometimes violent interactions takes place ,add to that a fluctuating solar heater that cycles in cycles , well..

care to add a few more variable for the soup ?

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[ArMaP]

care to add a few more variable for the soup ?

The type of ground, some types are better at conserving the temperature than others, so they will not get cold after sunset as fast and, at sunrise, they are already warmer.

[zorgon]

On my street there's a building slightly recessed from the others, and if the wind blows from East to West it creates small dust devils in front of that building.

No those are wind tunnel vortexes  not 'dust devils'  Yes they will stir up the dust because they are wind

Dust devils are only a result of wind.

I am surprised that you say ONLY  because in this case you are incorrect A Dust Devil is formed by rising heat... that is why they are so common out here in the deserts

Oh I see funbox just posted the description

[ArMaP]

I am surprised that you say ONLY  because in this case you are incorrect A Dust Devil is formed by rising heat... that is why they are so common out here in the deserts

Well, the hotter air rising is still wind, only vertical. 

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Well, the hotter air rising is still wind, only vertical. 

hot air ArMaP ? .., what about the cooloer air.. no vortex without that

but this is all additional to the temperature inversions that may or may not be causing fog
you cannot deny though that early morning have a certain haze about them

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