2016: The Nibiru/Planet-X System Cometh

[thorfourwinds]

zorgon: I don't understand where you get more than one light source?

The sun is setting... the low clouds are already black but one very high thunderhead is catching the sunlight high up and thus glowing. It happens every time there is a storm on the horizon with holes in the clouds.

Yes, the sun is setting...on the left behind the mountain. Most of the action takes place after the sun has set, on the right of the setting sun - 'no' to any clouds 'catching the sunlight high up" on the right; 'yes' on the clouds above the sun on the left..   







Sun on left peeking out from behind mountain 6 minutes before sunset.




@ 8:46pm (4 minutes before sunset) Screen capture above shows the sun on the left about to set (sunset 8:50pm in Switzerland), with a second light source appearing on the right.





Sun has gone behind mountain on left as light on right becomes more visible, 2 minutes before sunset.





22:50 (8:50) Sunset time with residual light on left reflecting on clouds above (as zorgon pointed out); 2nd light source brighter on right side.





2 minutes after sunset.





2 minutes after sunset contrast applied.





Hummmmmmmm...





6 minutes after sunset; what is/are that/those object(s) on right?




8 minutes after sunset.





8 minutes after sunset contrast applied.





12 minutes after sunset.





16 minutes after sunset; WTF is that 'ray'?





22 minutes after sunset; sun's residual light still reflecting on high clouds on left.

BTW, I never said 'Nibiru'; I'm just curious as to what could be the obvious more than one (in addition to the sun) light source.

Thank you very much.

[ArMaP]

Yes, the sun is setting...on the left behind the mountain.

No, the Sun is setting near the middle of the screen, as we can see by the "rays".





Those "rays" are shadows, as even below the horizon the Sun keeps on shining on everything that is higher than the ground, that's why we can see the ISS (for example) reflecting sunlight two hours after sunset.

These photos I took 8 years ago show it.

In this photo you can see the "rays" going in all directions, as the clouds between the camera and the Sun are projecting their shadow in all directions, as happens when we are in the centre of the shadow.



The next photo, taken 18 minutes after, shows a different shadow (as expected), and we can see that's the Sun that is creating those shadows.



The last photo of this sequence is a close-up of the Sun, showing that those "rays" are really shadows of the clouds.



More examples, with the Sun below the horizon.







The last one, although not as visible, shows the shadow of the top of the that structure (the south tower of the 25 de Abril bridge) 43 minutes after sunset.

[thorfourwinds]

Greetings ArMaP:

Thank you for your time and consideration - and the chuckle for your determined tenacity regarding your futile attempt at misleading others (and yourself) away from the possibility of an intruder and friends in our solar system, working with insufficient data because you "don't like the OP's voice" so didn't listen to nor view the critical part of the video between 11:30 and 12:00 where Igor sets the stage with a description of the setting sun on the left, where I said it was. He even pointed his cursor arrow to it.

@ 8:46pm (4 minutes before sunset) Screen capture above shows the sun on the left about to set (sunset 8:50pm in Switzerland), with a second light source appearing on the right.

Another inaccuracy with your unique view and explanation, is that the object(s) on the right is/are rising - not setting. 

You might go back and avail yourself of the complete video, as the first part speaks of (among other things) enlightenment and perhaps even hints at discernment (perception in the absence of judgment with a view to obtaining spiritual guidance and understanding). 

Additionally, I did find the images and explanations you provided to be of great help and enlightenment in understanding those pesky rays that pop up from time-to-time, even though the fine examples you provided were without the crisp lines, as evidenced below.  Thank you.

What say you now?

[ArMaP]

Thank you for your time and consideration - and the chuckle for your determined tenacity regarding your futile attempt at misleading others (and yourself) away from the possibility of an intruder and friends in our solar system, working with insufficient data because you "don't like the OP's voice" so didn't listen to nor view the critical part of the video between 11:30 and 12:00 where Igor sets the stage with a description of the setting sun on the left, where I said it was. He even pointed his cursor arrow to it.

I'm not attempting any thing, you asked for an explanation, I gave it the best I could.

As for "intruders" in our solar system, I accept the possibility that there are (or may be) one or more "intruders", but I just do not accept it blindly just because someone on the Internet says so, I always need to see evidence to accept it as a fact.

The supposed intruders, if they appear on that video as a second light source, close in brightness to the Sun, should be visible worldwide, by anyone with working vision, not just by some camera in Switzerland.

And no, I didn't miss what you call the "critical part" because of the guy's voice, I missed it because the first image you posted shows a time stamp of 12:02, so I started watching from that point, as I wasn't (and still aren't) interested in wasting more of my time watching a video.

@ 8:46pm (4 minutes before sunset) Screen capture above shows the sun on the left about to set (sunset 8:50pm in Switzerland), with a second light source appearing on the right.

How does he know where the Sun was? Do we have images prior to that time that show the Sun's position? Or are you just accepting that guy's version of events?

Another inaccuracy with your unique view and explanation, is that the object(s) on the right is/are rising - not setting. 

The object on the right is a cloud, illuminated by the Sun's light.

You might go back and avail yourself of the complete video, as the first part speaks of (among other things) enlightenment and perhaps even hints at discernment (perception in the absence of judgment with a view to obtaining spiritual guidance and understanding). 

No, thanks, I'm not wasting any more of my time with this video.

Additionally, I did find the images and explanations you provided to be of great help and enlightenment in understanding those pesky rays that pop up from time-to-time, even though the fine examples you provided were without the crisp lines, as evidenced below.  Thank you.

Well, then my time was not completely wasted.

[ArMaP]

I didn't watch the video but looked at the site from where the guy took the images (https://www.wetter-sedrun.ch/), and they still have images for that day.

The first thing I noticed was that they say that the camera is pointing to south-east, so I thought the Sun could not be setting where I thought it was, as it was setting behind the camera.

I made an animation showing the Sun's position at every hour up to the time of that first image, 20:44.



Seeing that the Sun was in the opposite direction, I don't know where those "rays" were coming from.

[Ellirium113]

I don't know why the fuss.

If anyone wants to make believe there are multiple suns and evrything is Nibiru, fantastic. Some believe in Gods too. No arguing is going to change that as it is firmly embedded in their belief system. Just simply nod, smile and ignore. 

In the questioning of multiple light sources... If there were any possibility of a second light source.... WHERE IS IT NOW? It just stuck around for the photo shoot?

[The Seeker]

I don't know why the fuss.

Some people like to disagree and argue just to be arguing...

If anyone wants to make believe there are multiple suns and evrything is Nibiru, fantastic. Some believe in Gods too. No arguing is going to change that as it is firmly embedded in their belief system. Just simply nod, smile and ignore. 

That would appear to be the wisest course to steer; no amount of fact or hard evidence is going to convince them otherwise...
After all, it does appear that physics, orbital mechanics, or gravitational inter-action does not apply to all things Nibiru...

In the questioning of multiple light sources... If there were any possibility of a second light source.... WHERE IS IT NOW? It just stuck around for the photo shoot?

Must have had a hot date in another solar system 

[thorfourwinds]

Dr. Michael Heiser - Is Nibiru Fake & Zecharia Sitchin's Translations False? Divine Council

[zorgon]

Dr. Michael Heiser - Is Nibiru Fake & Zecharia Sitchin's Translations False? Divine Council

Yes



Sorry Thor that video is so jumpy and the images all covered with text and pointers I can't see what he wants us to see...

[thorfourwinds]

I don't know why the fuss.

If anyone wants to make believe there are multiple suns and evrything is Nibiru, fantastic. Some believe in Gods too. No arguing is going to change that as it is firmly embedded in their belief system. Just simply nod, smile and ignore. 

In the questioning of multiple light sources... If there were any possibility of a second light source.... WHERE IS IT NOW? It just stuck around for the photo shoot?

Greetings all and thank you for paying attention.

I never said "everything is Nibiru."

One must take into account the deliberate obfuscation and misdirection when it comes to anything "Nibiru." 

For example, Hercolubus, Nemesis, Planet-X and Planet Nine, not to mention the Ison and Elenin debacles.

[Wiki] "Astronomers have hypothesized many planets beyond Neptune, and though many have been disproved, there are some that remain viable candidates such as Planet Nine. All the current candidates are in orbits that keep them well beyond Neptune throughout their orbit, even when they are closest to the sun."

OK, how about some photos to evaluate?

I have enclosed webcamdemexico and government FAA camera screenshots of "multiple light sources" and a sunrise and sunset occurring in the same place for your edification and enjoyment.

NIBIRU Breaking News "Sun Rises In Vallarta Mexico" Surreal

This first batch is from the webcamsdemexico camera facing West North at the Hard Rock Hotel in Vallarta, Mexico, sunrise and sunset in the same place 26 July 2018. The photos also address your disbelief in "multiple light sources."

http://www.webcamsdemexico.com/webcam-nuevo-vallarta

And please do not attempt further derailing ploys by bringing your belief/disbelief in "Gods" into this discussion, as it is not applicable [at this time] LOL. Take that up with rdunk.

Thank you for your time and consideration.

[ArMaP]

The problem I have with that video from Mexico is the he uses static images taken from a video, so we are losing some information.

When I first saw that video I went looking for that camera and, at the time, there was a thunderstorm going on, exactly on the same place where the light appears to be shining at 7:08 AM.

[thorfourwinds]

The problem I have with that video from Mexico is the he uses static images taken from a video, so we are losing some information.

When I first saw that video I went looking for that camera and, at the time, there was a thunderstorm going on, exactly on the same place where the light appears to be shining at 7:08 AM.

Greetings ArMaP:

Since I'm the one who chose the screenshots - static images - AND enclosed the source video - there is no loss of information.   

There are multiple screenshots of more than one light source, so you can toss that 'thunderstorm detraction' in the rubbish where it belongs. The reflections on the water are not lens flares.

BTW, everyone took notice that you completely ignored the fact that both sunrise and sunset occurred in the same place.   

Perhaps you need some photos of 'other entities' to give you something to focus on. Stay tuned.

Will it really kill you to admit that there is SOMETHING causing these anomalies?
And perhaps take an interest in what that might portend? Or don't you care that the Moon is a hologram? 

[Pimander]

Or don't you care that the Moon is a hologram? 

If the Universe is a hologram then that makes sense.

Substantial evidence of holographic universe



UK, Canadian and Italian study has provided what researchers believe is the first observational evidence that our universe could be a vast and complex hologram. Theoretical physicists and astrophysicists, investigating irregularities in the cosmic microwave background (the 'afterglow' of the Big Bang), have found there is substantial evidence supporting a holographic explanation of the universe -- in fact, as much as there is for the traditional explanation of these irregularities using the theory of cosmic inflation.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/01/170130083231.htm

[fansongecho]

Hi Thor! 

Did you hear this C-2-C episode buddy?

[ArMaP]

Since I'm the one who chose the screenshots - static images - AND enclosed the source video - there is no loss of information.   

The screenshots used in the video? That's what I'm talking about.

There are multiple screenshots of more than one light source, so you can toss that 'thunderstorm detraction' in the rubbish where it belongs.

I only said that I saw a thunderstorm on the same place, I didn't say the light was from a thunderstorm.

The reflections on the water are not lens flares.

You are letting your imagination taking over again, I said nothing about reflections in the water.

BTW, everyone took notice that you completely ignored the fact that both sunrise and sunset occurred in the same place.   

If that was a fact it would have been seen by millions, not just one camera, something that you and the supporters of "two suns" idea appear to ignore. Also, a sunset takes several minutes, so it would be something easy to be noticed.

Perhaps you need some photos of 'other entities' to give you something to focus on. Stay tuned.

I will, as usual.
As I have said before, I see reading all posts on this forum as part of my administrator duties, regardless of what I think about the topic. I even read political posts.

Will it really kill you to admit that there is SOMETHING causing these anomalies?

No, if I ever see any real evidence of anomalies. Until now I have only seen images from cameras that appear to show something that should be visible to millions of people, and that proves nothing.

And perhaps take an interest in what that might portend? Or don't you care that the Moon is a hologram? 

From what I have seen, it only shows that there are people that believe in any thing without thinking about it. I'm sure psychologists or sociologists would find that interesting, to me it's just another example of how some people think they are smarter than the others, without seeing what that really means about them.