What date did Jesus Christ Die ?

[astr0144]

In the past I have indicated my ignorance to studying the Bible or religion..and I can not recall that much detail from my early school years.

In later years I had come to a conclusion that the Bible and religion had been made up.

But over the last few years I have requestioned somethings..

and I now think some of it had to have been truth..

I think that I do believe a Jesus Christ did exist..(but I am still unsure if I think he was son of god or could do the miracles described in the Bible or taught in religion)

As far as I understand J.C was born on December 25th ...about 2016 years ago. in year Zero ..0000

It thought that it had been said that he lived to either 32 or 33..years of age..

and also I thought that he died towards Easter ....40 days before..

BUT what was the suggested actual date he died..?

Upon doing a quick search to my surprise there does not seem to be a given date ..or there are various suggestions..

Does any one believe that they may know ?

Even Wikipeadia does not clarify it...or even say How old he was when he died..it refers to his death 30 to 33 AD then later  says he was 33 when he died..

I assume what they say is down to various religions views on it.Jewish, Christian, Roman Catholic etc

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus

He was crucified over several days...and I thought he died on the cross..So I would have thought that there would be a date within say a week or at least a month..where it could have been noted / recorded as seen as later the story and the person became so well known..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucifixion_of_Jesus

THIS SUGGESTS TWO MAIN DATES...one in 30 AD and another at 33 AD in or between 3rd April or 7th April..

There is no consensus regarding the exact date of the crucifixion of Jesus, although it is generally agreed by biblical scholars that it was on a Friday on or near Passover (Nisan 15), during the governorship of Pontius Pilate (who ruled AD 26–36).[79] Scholars have provided estimates for the year of crucifixion in the range 30–33 AD,[80][81][82] with the majority of modern scholars favouring the date April 7, 30 AD.[83][84] Another popular date is Friday, April 3, 33 AD.[85][86]

some variation suggestions in yahoo answers..

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AwrBT9upskRXyFEA0tVXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEyb2Q3MXNxBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDQjE3NjNfMQRzZWMDc2M-?qid=20150729112734AAzaLpx

[Dyna]

As far as I understand J.C was born on December 25th ...about 2016 years ago. in year Zero ..0000

Wrong. I don't think any churches would argue this.

History convincingly shows that Dec. 25 was popularized as the date for Christmas, not because Christ was born on that day but because it was already popular in pagan religious celebrations as the birthday of the sun.

You can see some of the evidence of the time he may have been born here and many places, but Jesus made it clear his birth date was not important, his death was what was important and for us to remember.
http://www.ucg.org/the-good-news/biblical-evidence-shows-jesus-christ-wasnt-born-on-dec-25

Personally I think "proof" will stay lacking until the very end days the people who need that proof and can't feel it by faith will have to wait. We are taught to seek in order to find not let someone tells us this or that. I can't having read many thousands of books in my life see the teachings about this Man as being a fictional story.

Maybe it will not be long before we will see especially if the hailstones keep growing bigger 

Hailstorm kills 9,000 small birds, injures others at Antelope Island

Hailstorm kills 9,000 small birds, injures others at Antelope Island

[astr0144]

I think that I recall that you had been knowledgeable to some extent on some previous posts related to the bible Dyna..and maybe studied it to some degree..

If not...is this your own suggestion or is it based upon the article that you read ?  and do you mean that the Churches would argue that Christ was born on Dec 25th and no other date ? or do you mean that they may know or be aware of an alternative date ?

Since I made this thread post I have read some more articles in a bit more detail... and also came across some other suggestions as to when Christ was born prior to Dec 25th..

and to be honest this is the 1st time that I have ever read about such a thing and it does surprise me..

As far as I understand J.C was born on December 25th ...about 2016 years ago. in year Zero ..0000
Wrong. I don't think any churches would argue this.

I also agree with you that so much has been wrote about J.C it would be hard to think he never actually ever existed..

I also agree that its very unlikely we will see real proof..

If it was a NOV 18th date... that maybe very interesting ! but what year..as I have seen varying suggestions elsewhere maybe 4 bc...

which to me just don't make sense ...

Ok Christmas day Dec 25th maybe based on a pagan date ..

but BC is BEFORE Christ was supposed to be born.. so how can it be suggested he may have been born 4 BC...does not make sense.. even thou we know Dec 25th 0000 was suggested as both Christmas day and his birth..

Personally I think "proof" will stay lacking until the very end days the people who need that proof and can't feel it by faith will have to wait. We are taught to seek in order to find not let someone tells us this or that. I can't having read many thousands of books in my life see the teachings about this Man as being a fictional story.

I was also looking when Easter day may have occurred in 0033 AD..in relation to the so called 40 day prior his reserrection .

Its surprising what things it goes into that does not seem to make anything easy to follow or understand easily... there seems quite a bit of complexity to trying to work it out..

I thought that I could find the date of the Easter Friday / Sunday in 33 AD no problem....

Its the very 1st Easter or maybe Easter is just based AFTER 33 AD..Im not sure...IS easter purely based on Christ or was Easter around before Christ lived ? maybe as another pagan date ?
It is related to the Sunday after the new moon or something..

thats why Easter varies each year..between March and April...

BUT Back in 33 AD..if thats when Christ died... it may have came in or occurred the very 1st time...

but what was the exact date..is what I am trying to find out based upon if Christ had died in 33 AD...

He was actually only 32 year old if he was born on Dec 25th 0000 and not 33 yrs old as suggested in many articles..

He would have been 33 yrs old on Dec 25th 0033..

I THINK that he  had died earlier  around before February or March in  33 AD..

Was Easter 40 days after he was said to had came back to Life ?

But How long had he been dead before coming back to Life ?


http://www.christianity.com/church/church-history/timeline/1-300/possible-date-for-christs-resurrection-11629555.html

This is another website that gives various info on related dates..but its not straight forward to follow IMO..

It says about something called the 14 Nisan which is the period between the new moon between March and April..

and it mentions that Sir Issac Newton looked into it..

The lunar calendar was tied to the solar year by choosing Nisan, the first month of the Judean year, to begin immediately after the new moon nearest the spring equinox, when the sun rises most nearly due east. In this way, the feast day 15 Nisan (the first day of unleavened bread) was not allowed to precede the spring equinox. Because twelve lunar months are about eleven days less than a solar year, a thirteenth "leap" month was added about every third year to keep Nisan properly aligned with the equinox.[23]

Sir Isaac Newton was the first to use his law of gravity to calculate the position of the moon in antiquity to determine the date of the Crucifixion.[24] From historical considerations, Newton concluded that the most likely Crucifixion years were A.D. 33 and 34. He then used lunar calculations to determine in which years 14 Nisan could have been a Friday. His results are listed in Table l.[25] For the years Newton considered historically plausible, he found that only A.D. 33 and 34 were astronomically possible, because only in those years could 14 Nisan have fallen on a Friday. Of these two possibilities, he favored A.D. 34.[26]

This was a table he created that can be seen better in the article..

I THINk if he is correct that ...

Easter Friday to Sunday MAY have been April 1st / 3rd ...33 AD..

So did he come back to life 40 days prior..that would be about Feb 18th/20th..

BUT HOW LONG was he dead before he came back to LIFE..

That may / should  tell us when he died ? if we don't have any obvious date..

but it may be it does not tell us how many days he was dead before coming back to life..

or was he dead for 40 days..I may be getting my facts mixed up..


MY PROBLEM....IS that the prior post did suggest Christ was Crucified around April 3rd / 7th AD I THINK..

BUT if he came back to LIFE and Easter was 40 days later..

Newtons April 1st date for Easter Friday / Sunday would not make sense..

Table 1. Gregorian Calendar Dates for 14 Nisan
Year A.D.   Newton (1733)   Fotheringham (1934)   Humphreys/
Waddington (1983)
26           Sun, 19 Apr
27       Thu, 8 Apr**   Thu, 8 Apr**
28       Tue, 28 Mar   Tue, 28 Mar
29       Mon, 16 Apr   Mon, 16 Apr***
30       Fri, 5 Apr   Fri, 5 Apr***
31   Tue, 25 Mar*   Tue, 25 Mar   Tue, 25 Mar
32   Sun, 11 Apr*   Sun, 11 Apr**   Sun, 11 Apr**
33   Fri, 1 Apr   Fri, 1 Apr   Fri, 1 Apr
34   (Wed, 22 Mar) or Thu, 20 Apr*   Tue, 21 Mar** or (Thu, 20 Apr)   Wed, 22 Mar or (Thu, 20 Apr****)
35   Tue, 10 Apr*       Tue, 10 Apr
36   Sat, 29 Mar       Sat, 29 Mar
*Newton added one day to this calculation for nonastronomical reasons; thus, he concluded that the following day was 14 Nisan.[25]
**Perhaps one day later if atmospheric transparency was poor.
***It is possible, but highly improbable, that it was one day earlier.
****Only in case of exceptionally severe weather.
() Indicates the choice considered less likely.

http://www.johnpratt.com/items/docs/lds/easter/dating.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter


Or was it that Christ Came back to Life after 3 days of his death and was around for 40 days after..before going to heaven..

Christians celebrate the resurrection of Jesus on Easter Sunday, two days after Good Friday, the day of his crucifixion. Easter's date corresponds roughly with Passover, the Jewish observance associated with the Exodus, that is fixed for the night of the Full moon near the time of the spring equinox.[5]

The resurrection of Jesus is the Christian religious belief that, after being put to death, Jesus rose again from the dead. It is the central tenet of Christian theology and part of the Nicene Creed: "On the third day he rose again in accordance with the Scriptures".[1]
In the New Testament, after the Romans crucified Jesus, he was anointed and buried in a new tomb by Joseph of Arimathea but God raised him from the dead[2] and he appeared to many people over a span of forty days before he ascended into heaven, to sit at the right hand of God.[3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resurrection_of_Jesus

[Dyna]

I think that I recall that you had been knowledgeable to some extent on some previous posts related to the bible Dyna..and maybe studied it to some degree..

If not...is this your own suggestion or is it based upon the article that you read ?  and do you mean that the Churches would argue that Christ was born on Dec 25th and no other date ? or do you mean that they may know or be aware of an alternative date ?

I have done a lot of reading on the subject but my conclusion is that the details are not important, we should want to know as much as we can yes, but the true message is actually implanted in the heart. If you let it you always know what to do (Conscience)

Since I made this thread post I have read some more articles in a bit more detail... and also came across some other suggestions as to when Christ was born prior to Dec 25th..

There are many things that show he was not born at the time of the pagan holiday but again we are told his birth is not important his death is to be remembered not his birth.

I also agree with you that so much has been wrote about J.C it would be hard to think he never actually ever existed..
I also agree that its very unlikely we will see real proof..

No I do believe we will see real proof but only when the time is here for that.


If it was a NOV 18th date... that maybe very interesting ! but what year..as I have seen varying suggestions elsewhere maybe 4 bc...

Ok Christmas day Dec 25th maybe based on a pagan date ..

It is.

but BC is BEFORE Christ was supposed to be born.. so how can it be suggested he may have been born 4 BC...does not make sense

Lol that I have never read.

I was also looking when Easter day may have occurred in 0033 AD..in relation to the so called 40 day prior his reserrection .

Read this
http://www.ncregister.com/blog/jimmy-akin/when-precisely-did-jesus-die-the-year-month-day-and-hour-revealed
Easter is linked to the Jewish Passover by much of its symbolism, as well as by its position in the calendar. In many languages, the words for "Easter" and "Passover" are identical or very similar

Its the very 1st Easter or maybe Easter is just based AFTER 33 AD..Im not sure...IS easter purely based on Christ or was Easter around before Christ lived ? maybe as another pagan date ?
It is related to the Sunday after the new moon or something..

The way people celebrate Easter is from pagan worship. Bunnies and eggs and all.





According  to Luke 3:23 Jesus was around 30 when He was baptized and the Holy Spirit came  upon Him. This was the acceptable age for a Rabbi to enter into the  service of the Lord. (Interestingly this is the age of Joseph when he  entered into the service of the Pharaoh centuries before).

During Jesus ministry three Passovers were recorded. The Passover is an annual Jewish feast which is kept to this day by orthodox Jews in memory of the day when the Angle of death passed over the households of all the Hebrews whose doorposts and lintels were covered by the blood of a lamb (Exodus 12:1-13).

The  First passover was right after Jesus turned the Water to Wine, this was  one of His first Miracles and the beginning of His ministry.  John 2:1-13

The second passover is mentioned in John 3:4 estimated to be about half way through His ministry.

And the third Passover is first mention in John 11:55. From that point on John writes of all the events leading up to Jesus' arrest, trial, Crucifixion Resurrection and Ascension into Heaven.

Was Easter 40 days after he was said to had came back to Life ?

But How long had he been dead before coming back to Life ?
http://www.christianity.com/church/church-history/timeline/1-300/possible-date-for-christs-resurrection-11629555.html

and it mentions that Sir Issac Newton looked into it..

he worked hard at it and he was smart :-) Still the order was to remember and do "this' in remembrance of him to the apostles the exact dates means nothing as far as I can see.

So did he come back to life 40 days prior..that would be about Feb 18th..
BUT HOW LONG was he dead before he came back to LIFE..

Matthew 12:40. This verse has Jesus saying: "For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." Proponents of a Wednesday crucifixion say that this statement means Jesus was exactly three days and three nights – or 72 hours – in the grave.
or was he dead for 40 days..I may be getting my facts mixed up..

MY PROBLEM....IS that the prior post did suggest Christ was Crucified around April 3rd / 7th AD I THINK..
BUT if he came back to LIFE and Easter was 40 days later..

Why worry about such things?

[astr0144]

Thanks for your comments and info Dyna...

You may have helped me determine the date Christ died from the link you gave me...

This allows us to narrow down the time of Jesus' death to a very specific point in history: around 3:00 p.m on Friday, April 3, A.D. 33.

Read more: http://www.ncregister.com/blog/jimmy-akin/when-precisely-did-jesus-die-the-year-month-day-and-hour-revealed/#ixzz49ik8D9sk

The thing is I only had some very basic facts in my head and what I thought was the basics of the connections and dates..

but I think I got the ressurection / 40 day / Easter date / Christ Death dates & facts mixed up / incorrect.

On looking further another article suggest he arose again 3 days after death.. and was seen around for 40 days..until he went to heaven.

But I am not sure How Easter relates to it all exactly..in terms of the 3 days after his death...

Is Easter related to the date when he died in terms of the Bible related Story ...

and he was then said to be around for a further 40 days after he had came back to life..?


If Easter period and Christs Death are the same.. NEWTONS dates may seem correct...

(Not taking the  pagan date into consideration on this for the moment.)


The other issue is that this suggest that Easter Celebrates Christ Resurrection NOT his Death !  so Im still not 100% sure..maybe different religions have various views on it..

Easter, the preeminent feast that celebrates the resurrection of Jesus, is clearly the earliest Christian festival.[100] Since the earliest Christian times, it has focused on the redemptive act of God in the death and resurrection of Christ.[101]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resurrection_of_Jesus


I am just trying to find out the dates purely by curiosity ! and maybe for some research on something...

I also do think Christs Birth date  is maybe more important to most people in terms of associating Christ rather than the date he died..

Admittly he was maybe more remembered from the suggestion that Christ Died on the cross for us... for those who may want to believe that as being relevant.. which may depend upon ones views or religion...

[Norval]

, , , , , as Dyna said, , , , ,

"Why worry about such things?"

Also, as Dyna said, it don't matter about the day Jesus was born, or the day Jesus died.

What matters is that he did! 

[astr0144]

As I say I am not worried about it..

But the dates do matter to me in terms of my research...and curiosity...

, , , , , as Dyna said, , , , ,

"Why worry about such things?"

Also, as Dyna said, it don't matter about the day Jesus was born, or the day Jesus died.

What matters is that he did! 

[rdunk]

Astr0144, to add to the thoughts expressed by Dyna and Norval........which are good, but there is so much more to think about/want to know about that can have tremendous bearing on your spiritual seeing and hearing than will the simple dates that you are really working hard to find!

For instance, it is more important when did Jesus die than what was the date. That is because of "ALL" that came before him that is recorded in the Biblical scriptures. Jesus was birthed here in the flesh on 0001 AD, but it was with the sin of in Adam in the Garden of Eve the need of a Savior for man was birthed. So throughout the life of man a "prophetic Savior" was the very key event of all events that must occur to bring about a way for all to be saved from the sin of man. And all of that is detailed for us in the Old Testament. And with the "holy days" of the Jews in their celebration of the Passover, they are looking for and waiting upon the coming of their Messiah! And their Holy Days are established and scheduled by God to take place at specific times as associated with the Moons/seasons.   

The Bible is simply full of so many things that were and are happening, all according to God's perfect timing. The actual death of Jesus was certainly a key element, as was his resurrection, for the final phase for man's salvation, the which man has now been in for over 2000 year\s.

The when did Jesus die.......according to the Word, he did not die until He WAS Ready. And what was special about that day - the coming sabbath day was a Jewish "high holy day"  - all a part of God's timing dating way way back in years.

John 19:
30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

All of this just a tidbit of the glorious sacrifice that a loving God has made for us. As far as "the date Jesus died", that was God's problem, and Jesus died exactly when God planned for him to die!

Just note: - the spiritual battle is still going on, and we all are a part of that battle, in one way or another. I wish you the very best as you continue to search for what is the truth.

Bible-Book List/on-line Bible and much more - http://legacy.biblegateway.com/versions/New-International-Version-NIV-Bible/#books

[The Seeker]

Supposedly Yashueh  was born and died on the same day; March 25th...


seeker

[Dyna]

Supposedly Yashueh  was born and died on the same day; March 25th...

seeker

http://thelightofascension.weebly.com/blog/the-hidden-truth-about-jesus-real-date-of-birth

One of many guesses. I figure we are told anything we really need to know but I have often wondered if Jesus himself would not have written something that will come to light during the last days when it is needed. He was clearly educated and could write and he came back in many forms after death, plenty of time to leave a personal message.

Maybe it is just waiting somewhere for the right time.

[astr0144]

Hi Seeker,

Can I ask how you came to your suggestion ?

and do you have any opinions on the years of the dates...when born and died ? other than what seems to be main suggested as what most folk seem to believe...

ie Born  0000 or maybe some may suggest 0001 (year one )

and died in 33 AD

Supposedly Yashueh  was born and died on the same day; March 25th...


seeker

[astr0144]

Quite a detailed spiritual reply RD...

I recall some of our past posts and that you have believe in the Bible...and I am aware that I believe its aim can be seen to teach man important lessions...

My main problem with it however has always I found it very hard to read...

If it was broken down in simpler terms like the basic main stories I could follow it as as been shown in other related books such as even school level or on TV programs..

Where they highlight the main points..

I also have had access to a book that sort of seems to teach many of the lessons maybe like a form of the 10 commandments but many a more morals.. that I have found most useful and I believe its a very good guide to the average person to some of lifes basic lessions..which I will say that I did not obtain to my late 20s.. and would have been greatful if I would had been taught those lessions much earlier in life... but it was not something my parents passed down to me...It was maybe not made aware to them back then..

they only had the bible and what ever they were taught by others.. to pas on to their childrens as guidance..

So if I was to try to guide someone.. Im not sure I believe one really needs the bible..

But it maybe when one looks into the bible more... that there are many more lessions to learn..and its almost never ending and guides us at various stages and steps in Life..
but is it a case that its only those who are like priests or religious teacher types that really understand it..and they in turn preach to others to try to maybe explain it..

Otherwise i think trying to read parts of the bible is quite a hard task unless its a simplified version..

Astr0144, to add to the thoughts expressed by Dyna and Norval........which are good, but there is so much more to think about/want to know about that can have tremendous bearing on your spiritual seeing and hearing than will the simple dates that you are really working hard to find!

For instance, it is more important when did Jesus die than what was the date. That is because of "ALL" that came before him that is recorded in the Biblical scriptures. Jesus was birthed here in the flesh on 0001 AD, but it was with the sin of in Adam in the Garden of Eve the need of a Savior for man was birthed. So throughout the life of man a "prophetic Savior" was the very key event of all events that must occur to bring about a way for all to be saved from the sin of man. And all of that is detailed for us in the Old Testament. And with the "holy days" of the Jews in their celebration of the Passover, they are looking for and waiting upon the coming of their Messiah! And their Holy Days are established and scheduled by God to take place at specific times as associated with the Moons/seasons.   

The Bible is simply full of so many things that were and are happening, all according to God's perfect timing. The actual death of Jesus was certainly a key element, as was his resurrection, for the final phase for man's salvation, the which man has now been in for over 2000 year\s.

The when did Jesus die.......according to the Word, he did not die until He WAS Ready. And what was special about that day - the coming sabbath day was a Jewish "high holy day"  - all a part of God's timing dating way way back in years.

John 19:
30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

All of this just a tidbit of the glorious sacrifice that a loving God has made for us. As far as "the date Jesus died", that was God's problem, and Jesus died exactly when God planned for him to die!

Just note: - the spiritual battle is still going on, and we all are a part of that battle, in one way or another. I wish you the very best as you continue to search for what is the truth.

[rdunk]

astr0144 said, "My main problem with it however has always I found it very hard to read...

If it was broken down in simpler terms like the basic main stories I could follow it as as been shown in other related books such as even school level or on TV programs..

Where they highlight the main points.."
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Astr0144, I really do understand where you are coming from, and the dilemma that you are dealing with! But you know what, God does too! While my statement may be difficult right now for you to understand, as you learn more understanding will come.

I am going to add a few more thoughts that may help you bring focus to your genuine efforts on this.

In essence you ask, "What are the main points of the Bible"? Well, there are 66 books in the Protestant Bible, and each of those books has "main points" that each of us might discern. But, to drastically narrow that down, the Book called The Bible itself is not even the "main point"!! The Bible does present the Word of God, but the Word of God existed long before the book called The Bible was printed!

There are numerous individual acts of God and man that we could discuss as main points, but, much as I said in an earlier comment, the POINT OF ALL OF THIS ..........IS JESUS Christ, and man's needing for his saving grace. And the ONLY REASON that can even happen for "all who will" is that God sacrificed his Son to make a way for our salvation. While God's Word in the Bible can help lead us to much spiritual knowledge, the Bible does not and cannot save us. Rather we are "saved" by the  outward expression of our believing faith that Jesus Christ is the Son of god, and asking him for forgiveness for of our sin. Many many were saved long before the Bible was even printed!! It is through faith that we are saved! A good example is in the Biblical fact that there were 2 thieves being crucified with Jesus  - one taunted him while the other one said,"Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom"! "Jesus answered him, 'I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise.' (Luke 23:39-43).

So, through this brief contact, we see the "point" of salvation, even to someone who even "without a Bible", came to know Jesus as Savior, and made an expression of faith in him.

Another "main point" with this comes from Jesus -- he very directly gives 2 Commandments for which he says, "All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments," (Matt 22:36-40, Amp). Jesus was asked: "Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' ......So what that clearly says to us is, if we abide and walk in these 2 commandments, then we will be in line with the "Thou Shalts" and the "Thou Shalt Nots" of the 10 Commandments of the Old Testament.

Another "main point" for sure, is the fact that God in his Word makes it very clear that he loves us beyond what we might imagine, and that he wants and provides the very best for us. There is so much he wants to do for us, and is doing for us. In ll Chronicles 16-9 it says. "For the eyes of the Lord run to and fro throughout the whole earth, to shew himself strong in the behalf of them whose heart is perfect toward him". God is love, and John 3:16 (a well known verse) says, "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life".

So astr0144, that is just a few thoughts related to your quest for the "main points" in the Bible. There is so so much for all of us to learn in our Christian walk, but thank God we do not have to learn it to start our walk with Him! As another matter of fact, our "learning" in this is much more fruitful after we become Christians, because that is the way God has planned it - He even says that in his word with this statement in 1st Corinthians 1:27 : "But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty". So, there is much we cannot learn until we do accept the "main point"!!

Astr0144, I hope you get to a knowledge in all of this that you gives you a good sense of what is best for you!! I am confident that you will!!

[astr0144]

I note some of your further Comments on the Bible / God  Rdunk.

Initially on such a Forum like PRC I had thought most would have been non believers in God and maybe had more of a Scientific approach towards trying to explain such things..

but I do think there are quite a few on here that do believe in  a God and the bible.

After having seen quite a few TV programs that explore and try to find evidence towards the Bible ...I have found some interesting as I have indicated in some other prior related posts that I made.

and they helped re consider somethings about the bible and maybe helped recall some of its stories. Of which many are or could be seen as hard to believe but have Great story line theories.

I am also interested with the Morals that it may claim to teach...and its guidance it claims to aid man live his life in certain ways...like the 10 commandments as an eg..

but I am sure there are many more other things it refers to as well.

and that some of the Bible stories do teach us those ways..and that we could find and  write quiet a large selection of egs of which best may help or aid man as to what to do or consider during ones life..

If they are for real and are at such an aim.. then I suspect that is a good thing for us to consider.

But at the same time it is also interesting to consider somethings that may oppose those suggestions...and see an other side to them...

Then it maybe down to the individual to consider what they may think is the most relevant to believe is the right choices to follow if they think its worthy of offering the right guidance to them.

Again much of my problems with the Bible was trying to understand how it was written and some of the descriptions that did not seem to make it easy to decipher or understand..

There are some things that I believe have been wrote that try to simplify such things and make it easier to try to understand..which to me would be more beneficial and help save one a lot  of time..

Otherwise I think its  going to require quite a long study....

Astr0144, I really do understand where you are coming from, and the dilemma that you are dealing with! But you know what, God does too! While my statement may be difficult right now for you to understand, as you learn more understanding will come.

I am going to add a few more thoughts that may help you bring focus to your genuine efforts on this.

In essence you ask, "What are the main points of the Bible"? Well, there are 66 books in the Protestant Bible, and each of those books has "main points" that each of us might discern. But, to drastically narrow that down, the Book called The Bible itself is not even the "main point"!! The Bible does present the Word of God, but the Word of God existed long before the book called The Bible was printed!

There are numerous individual acts of God and man that we could discuss as main points, but, much as I said in an earlier comment, the POINT OF ALL OF THIS ..........IS JESUS Christ, and man's needing for his saving grace. And the ONLY REASON that can even happen for "all who will" is that God sacrificed his Son to make a way for our salvation. While God's Word in the Bible can help lead us to much spiritual knowledge, the Bible does not and cannot save us. Rather we are "saved" by the  outward expression of our believing faith that Jesus Christ is the Son of god, and asking him for forgiveness for of our sin. Many many were saved long before the Bible was even printed!! It is through faith that we are saved! A good example is in the Biblical fact that there were 2 thieves being crucified with Jesus  - one taunted him while the other one said,

We all have things happen to us at sometime that we may not know how best to deal with ..

How do  we/ I find out the answers to some such issues / problems...on how best to deal with them..

Are some LAWS based upon the Bible one may wonder..

As some Laws that man has may determine the options as to what we may be able to consider..

But when one thinks of terms such as an "eye for an eye" which maybe seen as a revenge term....

in most countries if one decides to take ones revenge on someone in such a way.. you will be arrested or even killed if caught doing such a thing..

So are some of the Bible descriptions opposed to some of the Laws laid down in Society...(and they may depend upon which country) or maybe the Country is in ref to another religious version.


Also whom would I be able to speak to for such advise on how best to deal with issues..if I had such a problem ?

If I spoke to 10 Bible experts or religious adviser's like Priests / clergymen..

What may they tell me and would I get various suggestions ?
Or are they likely mainly to have one main type of suggestion ?


One may not be able to get the right advice/ Guidance in / from family / close Friends or so called Professional experts..(Lawyers as an eg)

So who does one try to get the right guidance from if they feel they don't get the answers from such as I mention above ?


Should we always obey the law if one feels there maybe no true justice in much of it ?

Would the Bible suggest man take ones own decisions on how to go about certain things...?

It maybe that sometimes or even many a time we do not know what is right  and some laws may protect the guilty...or somethings make us the Guilty where only later one may realize the rights and wrongs about somethings...and find that have been penalized as they did not realize it at  the right time..as either they were not aware or the laws changed...

Some people will just act as they see at the moment and may not know the true facts or consequences to them and others...

While other people may not end up acting as they are thinking of too many issues that may occur if they do this or that...so they avoid taking the right action at the right time..and may miss out on theory rights if later that they find out the law only gives one a set time to act...such as some Work related Laws...where they may say you only have 3 years to  put in a claim for a work related injury that may have been caused by others..

You may find that  you did not know what to do at the time and did not want to try to claim... but 5 years later you find that your health has suffered severe ...and you can no longer claim..as its outside the man made law..

But you may have injustice..

It may often be that the poorer less educated / less intelligent are not able to decide (make the right decisions at the time)and maybe the most likely to fall as victims..

Other factors may also be..down to ones age and experience in Life...when or what age something happened to you !

Or you may have had an issue with someone in your earlier past that effects you and ones actions may have effected the other person  in a negative way to them.. that may seem positive to ones self..(at  least at that time)

Then some years later you have someone do something to you and wonder why...Later you find out  that person was an associate of the person you had issues with in the past..

As they were friends of that person...or taken their side..

Do they have the right to abuse ones self ?

If one later was not sure if what they did in their past was the right thing... they may wonder if any negitive outcome from this other person is right in his actions or not ? and may even feel guilty and accept it..

But later you may think different again...and believe you were in the right OR there may have been certain questionable things on both sides that may have created such issues to have occurred in the 1st place,,,

and one may not always even be clear some years later as to what may have been right or wrong about the issue in the 1st place....and it may still be down to ones view or there are various ways of considering it..

I am sure such type of things happen to us at one time or other .. as it has happened to me...and one may still not know the right answers or what best to do about it if that may still be possible..

Another thought as to what happened was that at the time Economic conditions were partly to do with effecting the workplace conditions that led to many of the problems that had occurred...

So I also think that at the time the mental stresses occurred from this that aided towards it happening..

But at the time I was too young and under educated to understand what was going on at the time..and there seemed few options..ie Jobs were hard to obtain so it was not easy to to leave and get another..

That maybe another case of the Globalist creating havoc towards peoples problems..


Or it maybe that the economic problems at the time were real..and we should just accept what ever the outcome..

or the problems may have been created unnecessarily especially if there is truth in what some of the things that have been discussed by Alex Jones about the globalists and how they have created many a economic problem..

So astr0144, that is just a few thoughts related to your quest for the "main points" in the Bible. There is so so much for all of us to learn in our Christian walk, but thank God we do not have to learn it to start our walk with Him! As another matter of fact, our "learning" in this is much more fruitful after we become Christians, because that is the way God has planned it - He even says that in his word with this statement in 1st Corinthians 1:27 : "But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty". So, there is much we cannot learn until we do accept the "main point"!!

Astr0144, I hope you get to a knowledge in all of this that you gives you a good sense of what is best for you!! I am confident that you will!!

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astr0144, for me it is difficult to respond to your comments, as it almost seems that you want to know and understand the entire Bible, before you can actually accept (or reject) what it says to us. This comment is not meant with any sort of negativity to you, but I am simply saying that you yearn for much!!

But, that said, I may have a way for you to really get well into some specifics of God's Word being openly taught by a long-time pastor and student of the word. That would be Keith Moore, Pastor of Faith Life Churches in Branson Missouri and Sarasota Florida. He alternates weekly between the two churches, with both set up for live broadcasts, when he is speaking at the other. For me, he is one of the best Bible teachers I have ever listened to. He teaches very openly! He very precisely uses what the Bible says! He teaches in a way that allows us to really have a good understanding of what the Word is saying to us! And he is simply enjoyable to listen to. And it is the "understanding" that is so important to me, and also likely for you!!

With Faith Life Church, everything they have is "free to all"! All of his teachings are archived on their website, and they are free. He has written books and they are free. Anyone can watch his messages live on-line when he is speaking, and I think he is on TV on Sunday Mornings.

For your interest, I am going to post the basic Faith Life Church website, and I am also posting links for examples of 2 different teaching series videos, each having multiple different tropic messages. I am sure that these can give you a good feel for some very specific detail on specific Bible scriptures that he presents. Of course, he is teaching about God, about Jesus, and about man's relationship to them!!

I do hope that you can a least have time to get some feel for how this such might open to you some of the answers to your very earnest questions.

Faith Life Church -  http://www.flcbranson.org/freedownloads.php

8 part series, "You Choose" - http://www.flcbranson.org/listseries.php?xml=rss/YouChoose.xml

You Choose, Part 1 - "Who's In Control" video



9 part series, "Seeking The Kingdom" - http://www.flcbranson.org/listseries.php?xml=rss/SeekingTheKingdom.xml