Security of Infrastructure in America (Can apply to other countries as well)

[spacemaverick]

Ahhh...you all are bringing forth more mysteries to which we do not have answers.  Our intelligence infrastructure has done well, or has it?  Maybe all this has been in plain sight all this time but with people in the intelligence community turning it into a joke out in public.  The best place to hide things is in plain sight because nobody would even believe that a government entity would do it.  Think about that.

[Eighthman]

I understand that the whole Manhattan project was surprisingly unknown among elected officials.  They uncovered evidence that Saudi Arabia was involved in 9/11....... and nothing was done about it.  There was a facility that worked on spy satellites in the US and common workers kept their mouths shut about their work for years. Soviet secrecy could be even more extreme.

How effective was secrecy about Enigma?  Or Navajo CodeTalkers? 

I freely confess that I have spent a lifetime, down to this very day, mystified by what normal people ignore as unimportant.  Brushes with near accidental nuclear war,  the greatest fraud in world history unprosecuted,  the sheer fact that intellectuals  find no fault with politicians casually lying........... I can go on ! 

I ask myself, am I the only one who sees these things?  I feel like a character stuck in a bad movie.

[robomont]

cough,churches..cough cough.

[zorgon]

How can it be PLANET WIDE if there is countries that have disclosed alien and UFO documents?

USA has also released HUNDREDS of UFO documents  The NSA and FBI still have them online and the CIA has several HUNDRED good ones on file in PDF form free to download

Want the LINKIES?

But in all those relesed reports there is NOTHING concrete.  Just endless reports of UFO's never a smoking gun

Circumstantial evidence to be sure  but no Alien homme address or snapshot of one posing with his saucer

[Eighthman]

What is "evidence" in this world, anyway ? 

Have any of you considered - what would be the biggest, most obvious UFO event that the public or governments would completely ignore, 2 or 3 years after?

I say you could have a slow moving flying saucer at tree top level, move several miles across a city of a million or so, at high noon  and still have it ignored and out of the public mind a couple years later.  If Aliens did a Michael Rennie, they could sit for a full day in Washington and leave, with no big deal. (Headlines: "Experimental Craft Accidentally Lands In Capital").

Think I'm kidding?  Take a critical look at the Presidential,  "hidden in plain sight" election we're witnessing !

[space otter]

the rest of the story.. continuing reply #24


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Ex-NSA contractor deemed flight risk in data theft case

BALTIMORE — A federal judge found Friday that a former National Security Agency contractor accused of carrying out what is thought to be the largest theft of classified secrets in U.S. history posed a flight risk and ordered that he continue to be held in jail.

U.S. Magistrate Judge A. David Copperthite ruled that Harold Martin III should not be released pending trial, despite the impassioned arguments of his defense attorney that the computer technology expert is a patriot who intended no harm to his country and suffered from a "compulsive disorder" that led him to steal classified material over a 20-year period.

Defense attorney James Wyda conceded that Martin took the material, but he stressed that "there's no evidence that Hal shared this information with anyone" or that he intended to pass it to a foreign government.

"There is nothing to indicate that Hal Martin is a traitor," Wyda told the judge, as Martin, a heavy-set man wearing gray-striped jail garb, sat quietly at the defense table. "What we see is an individual who is a collector."

He told the court that his client is not like Edward Snowden, the former NSA contractor who gave classified material on U.S. surveillance programs to journalists, or Aldrich Ames, a onetime CIA officer who was recruited by the Soviet Union and betrayed agents working for the United States.

Wyda portrayed Martin, 51, as a "voracious learner committed to being excellent at his work" who gathered information to improve his knowledge. "What began as an effort to be better at his job," Wyda said, became over the years a compulsion.

"Frankly," he said, "the mental health component is the only explanation."

Martin was charged in a sealed complaint in August with felony theft of government property and the unauthorized removal of classified materials, a misdemeanor. The complaint was unsealed this month when word of his arrest leaked out.

In a memo filed this week, the government said Martin had taken at least 50 terabytes of digital data, roughly the equivalent of 500 million pages of documents. He also took six banker's boxes worth of paper documents, prosecutors said, many of which were lying open in his home or in his car. And investigators found dozens of computers, thumb drives and other digital storage devices that belonged to the government, prosecutors said.

Prosecutors also have said that Martin had an "arsenal" of weapons in his home and car, including an assault-rifle-style tactical weapon, and that though he lacks a valid U.S. passport, he could still flee to a foreign government that might want to help him. Prosecutors said he has communicated with unnamed people in Russian and in June downloaded information on Russian and other languages.

The detention hearing in U.S. District Court here marked Martin's first public appearance since his Aug. 27 arrest at his home in Glen Burnie, Maryland. Sitting in the audience were his wife, Deborah Shaw, and his brother, who traveled from Florida. Wyda pointed to their presence as evidence of Martin's support network and another reason he would not try to flee if released.

The judge said he agreed with Wyda that there were "some serious mental health" problems at play. At the same time, he said, Martin is a "highly educated man, certainly highly capable." He has a master's degree and was working on a PhD at the University of Maryland Baltimore County.

"What I see here is a person who may be two persons," Copperthite said, "a person who may be a smart guy . . . ?wanting? to help his colleagues, but at the same time, a person who is walking out the back door" with data "that he knows he has no business" taking.

He noted that Martin kept the material in an unlocked storage shed — "information that many enemies of the United States, I'm sure, would love to explore."

Copperthite said "the preponderance of evidence" indicates that Martin poses a flight risk and so he should remain in jail pending trial.

On Thursday, prosecutors said they expected additional charges to be brought, including "violations of the Espionage Act."

That 1917 law makes "willful" retention of "national defense information" a felony punishable by up to 10 years in prison per count.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Zachary Myers told the court that Martin "now knows that the evidence supports" multiple violations of the Espionage Act, which could result in a sentence, if he is convicted, as high as 30 years to life. That, Myers said, gives him "significant incentive to flee."

After the hearing, which lasted slightly more than an hour, Martin's attorneys Wyda and Deborah Boardman said they would appeal the ruling.

"Hal Martin and his family are disappointed with today's ruling," they said in a statement. "We do not believe Hal Martin is a danger to the community or to his country. Hal is no risk of flight. Hal Martin loves America. And he trusts our justice system. This is an early step in a long process."

[Irene]

I ask myself, am I the only one who sees these things?  I feel like a character stuck in a bad movie.

"All the world's a stage, and all the men and women merely players: they have their exits and their entrances; and one man in his time plays many parts . . ."

William Shakespeare - As You Like It

The script has been written. We all play our parts under the illusion of free will.

I'm reading Somebody Else Is On the Moon by George Leonard (thank you, Zorgon, for the .pdf). On the introductory page Leonard quotes Charles Fort, a 19th/20th century writer who researched "anomalous phenomena" - "I think we are property."

I find this so absolutely true I've made it my signature.

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in [our] philosophy."

William Shakespeare - Hamlet

William knew what he was talking about. Sometimes it really makes me wonder if we aren't just plugged into the cosmic motherboard.

[zorgon]

William knew what he was talking about.

Well actually..

"William" was Sir Francis Bacon, Rosicrucian Imperator 

[Irene]

Well actually..

"William" was Sir Francis Bacon, Rosicrucian Imperator 

Honestly, I'm not invested in who he may have been, only what he had to say about life and "reality".

back!   

[RUSSO]

USA has also released HUNDREDS of UFO documents  The NSA and FBI still have them online and the CIA has several HUNDRED good ones on file in PDF form free to download

Want the LINKIES?

But in all those relesed reports there is NOTHING concrete.  Just endless reports of UFO's never a smoking gun

Circumstantial evidence to be sure  but no Alien homme address or snapshot of one posing with his saucer

Calling some of those documents and testimony "circumstantial" is a big scale down to what they really are.

[A51Watcher]

I understand that the whole Manhattan project was surprisingly unknown among elected officials.  They uncovered evidence that Saudi Arabia was involved in 9/11....... and nothing was done about it.  There was a facility that worked on spy satellites in the US and common workers kept their mouths shut about their work for years. Soviet secrecy could be even more extreme.

How effective was secrecy about Enigma?  Or Navajo CodeTalkers? 

I freely confess that I have spent a lifetime, down to this very day, mystified by what normal people ignore as unimportant.  Brushes with near accidental nuclear war,  the greatest fraud in world history unprosecuted,  the sheer fact that intellectuals  find no fault with politicians casually lying........... I can go on ! 

I ask myself, am I the only one who sees these things?  I feel like a character stuck in a bad movie.

Welcome to the club.

As you continue to research the feeling will only get worse.

[spacemaverick]

Sadly most people are oblivious to what goes on around them.  Most accept what supposed experts tell them are basically self-absorbed and do not want to take the time to actually dig and research a subject.  When you get into any part of a national or state infrastructure no matter what part of the infrastructure might be, the general public will accept whatever the most popular opinion might be regarding whatever part that infrastructure may be.

The intelligence infrastructure can put out something like Operation Bluebook to simply turn public opinion in a different direction which then affects the way serious researchers are perceived in the public realm.  It's about perception.

I was hoping to deal with specific areas of problems maintaining and protecting certain parts of critical infrastructure but I am finding this a daunting task.  Living some of that now in my current job and also discovering big corporations and those entities that operate certain parts of America's infrastructure do not want to spend the money to strengthen parts of the infrastructure.  (the electrical grid is a mess.

Since I just went through a hurrican here in Florida, I may address that issue first.

[zorgon]

Calling some of those documents and testimony "circumstantial" is a big scale down to what they really are.

Okay
so  show me one document that confirms aliens

Just ONE there are hundreds of thousands on UFO's but a UFO can be a garbage bag

So show me the ones that are NOT circumstantial and veryfy aliens

Thanks in advance

[zorgon]

Sadly most people are oblivious to what goes on around them.

true that but we don't care about 'most people'  We care about the few that DO look into this..

Take the X37 secret space plane... We still do not know what it does on those missions or where it goes... BUT Amateur trackers spotted it in the first place and track it... causing NASA to say "Amateurs spot Secret Space plane.  LOL that day was hilariouis because on that day all those ATS debunkers that used to attack John and I were suddenlt talking "Secret Space plane" like it was always there

The point is it is very hard to keep any launch or spaceship away from the eyes of the amateur trackers.

Do not forget that those trackers spotted the first secret satellite too MISTY  even after the preteneded to blow it up, the trackers found it again

So THIS is why I say secrets arte not so easily kept these days becaue many seekers have equipment these days that was only in the government and military hands before.

You cannot put anything up there without it being seen sooner or later

[zorgon]

Most accept what supposed experts tell them are basically self-absorbed and do not want to take the time to actually dig and research a subject.

MOSt average people are more concerned about making ends meet on a monthly basis and the last thing they want to hear (or believe) is that their government is up to no good. Frankly as long as it doesn't effect them directly, they really don't care. This is not apathy, this is simply human nature.

Take 9/11  I was on my way to work when I heard the news that all planes were grounded.  My first thought was " Dam!  that means my paycheck will be delayed and I will be late on my mortgage payment"   Fortunately that was also the thought of our company and they actually drove those checks to Vegas by FedEx overnight

The point is we all tend to worry about what effects us first

Even politicians... Even the top level ones are more concerned about their positions than anything else.  President is a TEMP job... if there really is a secret cabal running the show WHY would they fill in an office temp on what is really going on?  Need to know   and a presidents curiosity is not a need to know

When you get into any part of a national or state infrastructure no matter what part of the infrastructure might be, the general public will accept whatever the most popular opinion might be regarding whatever part that infrastructure may be.

They have to  or their world would be ruined and they would have to deal with issues beyond their control...

That is why in the UFO crowd they will believe what ever they want to believe  and PAY anyone who strokes that ego... and don't you DARE step in with any real truth.

So do Aliens exist? At this point I don't know After 50 years searching I find less evidence tyoday than I did at the start because most of what I thought was good info turned out to be hoaxed.  (Yes I am pretty sure they do   but it is getting harder and harder to find a report that is even worth looking at these days)

It is true the governments of the world have released thousands of reports... yet I still see people screaming "When will they release the reports?!"  I have linked many people to those files and do they return and say "WOW that is a lot of files!Q  So the government RFEALLY HAS been keeping track!" ?  No They just go away quietly and say nothing   A few months later they are back bitching about the lack of files released

Take Pegasus for example... do you know how many official reports and other militray files I have in the database?  Well there are over 6,000 already cataloged  and at least that many more uncataloged  I haven't even read those yet just saved them because of the content

In all the years I have had those files  only a small handful have ever asked to get a copy.  Irene asked for one a few days ago

I have the entire collection of British released UFO files  I got them when they were free. They now charge for them

But all those files are just stories  i DO notice that since they are sequentially numbered reports, there are a lot of numbers in the series  So I would ASSUME that all those government released files from around the world are pretty much useless because they didn't release the good stuff

I was hoping to deal with specific areas of problems maintaining and protecting certain parts of critical infrastructure but I am finding this a daunting task.

About a year ago I got an email from a fellow that works at space command at Vanedenberg  (21SOPS-21st Space Operations Squadron)  He offered to update me on anything the space command was doing that was not top secret. I have not really followed up on that yet  I need to first redo the space command section of the website