Donald Trump finally admits that Obama was born in USA

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Funbox, almost every time you post, you seem to ignore my points and try to discuss the BBC or some other distraction.  Yes the BBC are sometimes biased (mainstream media).  That doesn't make my point in any way invalid.  You asked me what my point was.  My point is that Trump is admitting he has made false allegations publicly and is not man enough to apologise.  Nobody has so far posted anything that indicated I'm wrong.

i addressed this way back, he should go see him personally and appologise , your method of a tv appology is as cold and insincere as you can get.

you think the BBC are a good thing? harbourours of Piedos and freaks , the whole News organisation is a sham that should have been closed down after the Saville scandal. i have no trust in them whatsoever

what points have you actually made ?

So are you going to address my point and admit I'm right or continue to falsely create the impression that what Trump has done is OK so support for him is reasonable on this?

its fine by me , you could say i was from the moon and i wouldn't even acknowledge it , kinda weak really. and ide certainly say he was the lesser of two Evils

but then thats all down to preference in choas

Hillary?, well theres a long list of Choas behind her .. truely anything would be better than her taking the saddle , but im not going to get drawn into the farce politics, but those in the shadows want the choas that follows the Election.. all this bullpoop beforehand is to fire up the people ready for fighting

or is that how its not unfolding before your eyes?

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[funbox]

So are you going to address my point and admit I'm right or continue to falsely create the impression that what Trump has done is OK so support for him is reasonable on this?

in fact ill go as far to say , that what he's done so far is really more sincere than saying sorry on camera
he corrected himself for all to hear , that inofitself is the coveyer of the appology , he admitted the supposed truth for all to hear, if Obama heard/saw it, what do you think he would have thought about his statement alone , without the sorry attached?

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[Pimander]

i addressed this way back, he should go see him personally and appologise , your method of a tv appology is as cold and insincere as you can get.

Oh yes, sorry, you suggested the cowards way of avoiding the public -who also deserve an apology for being misled.  Public accusations = public apology.

you think the BBC are a good thing?

Same as you have done repeatedly to other members, pretend I have said something I have not.  Stop trying to change the subject!

what points have you actually made ?

I stated my point very clearly in previous posts so clearly even an imbecile could see what it is.  If you refuse to have a reasonable discussion then don't post.  Trolling is NOT permitted on this forum.  I've seen this enough times now to be running out of patience with it.

and ide certainly say he was the lesser of two Evils

What has that got to do with him not being man enough to apologise?  Nothing.... Deflection.

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Oh yes, sorry, you suggested the cowards way of avoiding the public -who also deserve an apology for being misled.  Public accusations = public apology.

at least i dont think an audience is a conduit for sencerity

Same as you have done repeatedly to other members, pretend I have said something I have not.  Stop trying to change the subject!

you said they were sometime bias, i interpret that as you being bias towards them , and as you can see im not liking the bbc

besides

you think the BBC are a good thing?

that is a question you can answer if you wish

I stated my point very clearly in previous posts so clearly even an imbecile could see what it is.  If you refuse to have a reasonable discussion then don't post.  Trolling is NOT permitted on this forum.  I've seen this enough times now to be running out of patience with it.

your opening post was a video alone.. yeah very clear

What has that got to do with him not being man enough to apologise?  Nothing.... Deflection.

real men have a personal touch, they dont do real things for the show of others. apologies included

besides i was answering your question clearly stated here

So are you going to address my point and admit I'm right or continue to falsely create the impression that what Trump has done is OK so support for him is reasonable on this?

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[Pimander]

at least i dont think an audience is a conduit for sencerity

I'm sure the man could apologise publicly AND privately. He has had plenty of time to do that already.

you said they were sometime bias, i interpret that as you being bias towards them , and as you can see im not liking the bbc

Yes I said that and your interpetation is wrong.  I think a media not owned privately is a good thing but I think there is a lot wrong with the BBCs bias.

your opening post was a video alone.. yeah very clear

I clarified my position as soon as I was asked.  you are pretending I didn't in a pathetic trollish manner.  If you troll people further on this site I will likely ban you.

[Dyna]

I think you are saying that if Obama's Father had been a white Kenyan and not black the birth thing would never have come up. I am not sure that is true.

I admit I read a lot but didn't do any real research on the subject but I remain unconvinced Obama was born in the USA for a number of reasons and I am the least prejudiced of race, person anyone could meet.

Loretta Fuddy, the Director of the Hawaii Department of Health who verified Obama's birth certificate died mysteriously in a plane crash

I think this person did a ton of digging and has some valid points
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1129737/pg1

As for the white ruling class world wide they have all of the power and money sewn up, the poor white are really very oppressed also. Since we don't base elections on people and we don't let any without $$ even be heard and we insist on the fooliness of parties, we will never be people voting for someone to represent us instead of a bought and paid for government.

As for the situation of blacks in the US the whole thing is still like a raw sore
The Emancipation Proclamation was an executive order issued by President Lincoln on January 1, 1863. How many generations is that? In the 60's in the South my Brother Carson home from Vietnam with his best friend who was black was not able to have drinks with his friend in a place that STILL did not serve blacks!

People expect the slaves dragged from their homes all over the world to simply get over it! They still have relatives who can tell them the life and pain of a slave it is not far behind us!The whole thing sickens me but I think time, a lot of time is the only answer just as mixed marriages now are ok with most people, it took time.
Unfortunately I doubt we will have that time to heal because of the elite agenda and we are equally all prisoners of their power and desires.

[ArMaP]

People expect the slaves dragged from their homes all over the world to simply get over it! They still have relatives who can tell them the life and pain of a slave it is not far behind us!

The US was not the only country with slaves, why is it the country where that old problem is so active today? I think that's the real problem.

[Pimander]

I think you are saying that if Obama's Father had been a white Kenyan and not black the birth thing would never have come up. I am not sure that is true.

Not exactly no.

I admit I read a lot but didn't do any real research on the subject but I remain unconvinced Obama was born in the USA for a number of reasons and I am the least prejudiced of race, person anyone could meet.

I understand what you are saying.

It matters if Obama lied about his birth place in order to become President because you don't want someone to get into office because they lied.  It should not be about race but more on that later....

It probably should not matter where you were born if you are a USA citizen because surely all citizens are equal according to the constitution/bill of rights.  If they are then all citizens should have the right to stand for any office.  Anyone with half a brain should be able to see the contradiction if some citizens cannot be President.  This in itself is xenophobic discrimination.

But my objection to Trump's past focus on this issue (and Clinton's if she did the same!) is about something else.  Instead of focusing on Obama's record as President, it appeals to the xenophobic bigotry held by sections of the population and legitimises that brand of politics.  Yes it might appeal to some voters, but it is divisive if - as Trump claims - you really believe in an inclusive, anti-elitist society.  An inclusive society does not focus on place of birth or race, it focuses on equality (e.g. the right of all citizens to stand for POTUS.)

To persistently direct the attention of the public onto this issue is inherently divisive.  If Trump can't see that then he can hardly claim to want an inclusive, equal society.

So if Obama was born in Kenya he might be a liar.  But Trump claims not to believe that and still does not see fit to apologise publicly to the American people and the President for espousing to a divisive accusation.  I think he is wrong to do that and it reinforces my suspicion that he is not the anti-elitist, inclusive candidate he presents himself as.

As for the white ruling class world wide they have all of the power and money sewn up, the poor white are really very oppressed also. Since we don't base elections on people and we don't let any without $$ even be heard and we insist on the fooliness of parties, we will never be people voting for someone to represent us instead of a bought and paid for government.

Then change the system.  Big change rarely comes from the elite who have everything to lose (including Trump).  It has to come from the grass roots.

Do you want a system that allows the more popular Bernie Sanders to stand?  Or the candidate who has support of the elite?

Unfortunately I doubt we will have that time to heal because of the elite agenda and we are equally all prisoners of their power and desires.

Well that healing will certainly not start as long as Police can be filmed murdering black people and still not be held to account.

It would help if the so called anti-elite candidate spoke with a loud and clear voice that this needs to change.  I don't hear that happening.  I hear lets build a wall.  If there is a problem with immigration then by all means tighten border controls.  The UK public have similar concerns.  But build a wall sounds like divisive rhetoric and does not heal it harms.

ETA:  What a relief.  We are actually discussing the issue and not having to repeatedly respond to nonsense.  I think that is what this forum is for. 

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then ban me you prick

I clarified my position as soon as I was asked.  you are pretending I didn't in a pathetic trollish manner.  If you troll people further on this site I will likely ban you.

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they tried that type of intimidation on ats,, doesn't hold bar with me , so frig your free speach curtailment effort

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[Dyna]

The US was not the only country with slaves, why is it the country where that old problem is so active today? I think that's the real problem.

Is it? I don't know what it is like in other countries, but wasn't slavery stopped in Europe long before the US? More time?
Ah here is a list our world is unbelievable!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abolition_of_slavery_timeline

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Pimander said, "I generally find American politics tedious because there is nothing to choose between the candidates.  It is generally a choice between one neoliberal capitalist and a slightly more liberal neoliberal capitalist.  "

Pi. that statement pretty much reveals how in the dark you very much are relative to the current 2016 Presidential candidates, and what they stand for. I do understand that your being a citizen of the UK, then you would not be particularly closely interested in the political details. But, this statement is so erroneous in fact that I am a bit surprised!

First, in truth, the "neo" term does not apply to either. Hillary is a full blown socialism leaning leftist, and Trump is for sure is talking conservative with many if not most of his announced Presidential objectives. Trump is a man of the people, and Hillary is all about election big money payoffs, and growing government even bigger. Hillary will extend Obama's un-American ways, and Trump has plans to restore all that Obama has made a mess of. Hillary plans to grow illegal immigration into the country, and Trump plans to very much get immigration back into being handled within the laws, including building a wall!! Trump will repair our military! ETC. ETC. ETC.

In no way can these two candidates be noted as having similar presidential objectives for America. The people trust Trump, while Hillary has already proven in so many different ways that she can never be trusted!! 

[Dyna]

Trump is a man of the people, and Hillary is all about election big money payoffs, and growing government even bigger. Hillary will extend Obama's un-American ways, and Trump has plans to restore all that Obama has made a mess of. Hillary plans to grow illegal immigration into the country, and Trump plans to very much get immigration back into being handled within the laws, including building a wall!! Trump will repair our military! ETC. ETC. ETC.

Well the funny thing is how many people continue to believe speeches, that is really all I need say. Two sides to a coin.

[Pimander]

Is it? I don't know what it is like in other countries, but wasn't slavery stopped in Europe long before the US? More time?
Ah here is a list our world is unbelievable!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abolition_of_slavery_timeline

It wasn't until 1838 that slavery was abolished in British colonies through the Slavery Abolition Act.

In the USA it was only 37 years later.  I don't know about in the other countries but the difference isn't that great and we don't have the problems you guys have.

In fact, if you count the US Prison System which makes billions from black prison workers, it could be argued that you still have slavory in the US.

[Pimander]

First, in truth, the "neo" term does not apply to either. Hillary is a full blown socialism leaning leftist, and Trump is for sure a conservative with many if not most of his announced Presidential objectives.

And what policy of either candidate will end the neoliberal mode of Capitalism apart from small scale brakes on Privatisation?

Is one of the candidates about to end Private ownership of energy, the banks, supple of arms and control of pharmaceuticals and medical care?  I don't think so somehow!

I won't go into detail but I don't agree with the majority of the rest of your post in this thread as it is getting too far away from the topic. (Happy to discuss in other threads but you're right if you think I'm hardly an expert on US politics.  I have been involved in politics in the UK on and off so I might be able to understand something about it)