A Serious Thought Question for Our Time - Where Does The Money Come From........

[rdunk]

........for EVERYTHING, when most living and breathing people are no longer working for income??

Robots will become the workforce in most every area of life work! Robots do not earn a salary, thus no income, and thus they will not be paying any taxes - the monies needed to support all government entities and the monies needed to support all of the infrastructure needs of this country and of the the entire world??

Yes, moving into robotics will be like phasing cars into a horse and buggy world, but over time, the horse and buggy form of transportation went away. With robotics, one significant thing about this is different - the horses had to be fed, and also did/do cars! But with robots, no "feeding" is required, and they can work 24/7/365!

I do not really see any general conversation about a plan for how this world paradigm change can be incorporated into our living humanity's way of life! Do you?

All public operations are supported on a tax-based monies system! With robotics People have no monies as income, the people pay no taxes.

How do we the people and our grandkids and great grandkids........... live with no money to pay for things, and no money to pay taxes for every level of governments and for government responsible work to maintain infrastrcture??

Should there not be serious conversation going on right now at every level on this very broad subject of robotics?? ?? ??

  One thing of note (in one article) - At the present 6 human jobs have been identified that computer robotics cannot replace:

1. Creative Arts
2. Professional sports
3. Healthcare and medicine
4. Education.....
5 Quality Assurance
6. Politics and law

A simply FYI on this: http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/6-human-jobs-computers-will-never-replace/

What do you think about this such??

[robomont]

5 of 6  will soon be dead.with health care alive.
if i were a kid going to school.robotics or nanotubes or both.
the robots need maintenance men unless we can make them cheap enough to throw away.
a chicken cutting robot would make you millions,because carpul tunnel is real bad in that line of work.
any repetitive work injury cluster is a market for robotics.
like harvesting vegetables.

[ArMaP]

the robots need maintenance men unless we can make them cheap enough to throw away.

Or if they make robots that can do the maintenance.

[rdunk]

5 of 6  will soon be dead.with health care alive.
if i were a kid going to school.robotics or nanotubes or both.
the robots need maintenance men unless we can make them cheap enough to throw away.
a chicken cutting robot would make you millions,because carpul tunnel is real bad in that line of work.
any repetitive work injury cluster is a market for robotics.
like harvesting vegetables.

From what we are seeing around the world already, robots are going to be everywhere and into most everything. I just saw a news article/pic within the past week of robot figures walking the style-show ramp for new ladies clothing. They likely some day soon drive the human female prostitutes out of business, doncha think!!??

I am concerned that the "robotic change revolution" is taking us on an uncontrolled runaway ride with no stopping of it!!

[Ellirium113]

Forgetting that it is simply not just the work place they are taking over. There has been a lot of talk regarding robot sex workers and robot spouses. I envision these to be much like the WiFi enabled Barbie that will report you to the authorities for simply blabbing the wrong thing in your house. Not to mention what else they might be recording/transmitting the entire time. There is not going to be a way to make them safe against those that want to repurpose them for criminal purposes either.

[Pimander]

Or if they make robots that can do the maintenance.

I suspect research into human robot interface might be the field to get into.  My mate is doing a MSc in Robotics and Artificial intelligence.  he is convinced it is the future.

rdunk, we are considering opening a technology brothel in the future.

[ArMaP]

The problem with AI is that they have been saying that for the last 40 years and we are yet to see some kind of real breakthrough.

[Pimander]

The problem with AI is that they have been saying that for the last 40 years and we are yet to see some kind of real breakthrough.

I think that is because we haven't understood how the brain works so have no way to match it.  it is just so complex.  We know the mechanics of how neurones work and so on but the complexity is bewildering.

I prefer humans being more intelligent than machines.  Hopefully it will stay that way for 1000 years.  I'd even be inclined to pass a law saying we restrict machines to being less intelligent than humans.

I think the money really is going to be in things like robotics for entertainment and services (especially sex) and virtual reality (for training and entertainment like extreme sports and virtual worlds).

If kids today are anything to go by, the future real world is rapidly losing its appeal.  When I was young we used to play in the woods, build dens and rope swings and play football.  Kids get irritated with anything that pulls them away from video games and their android devices.  No wonder they are so unfit.  I don't know a kid who is fitter than me and I'm over 40 now.  Sad.

[Pimander]

Another reason I think artificial intelligence is still not a match for human is that in the human brain there can be millions of processes happening at the same time.  Even with multi tasking, computers are way behind this.  The only war computers could match that is by the processes in a multi tasking machine to be millions of times quicker than the processes in a brain.

[Schuyler]

  One thing of note (in one article) - At the present 6 human jobs have been identified that computer robotics cannot replace:

1. Creative Arts
2. Professional sports
3. Healthcare and medicine
4. Education.....
5 Quality Assurance
6. Politics and law

What do you think about this such??

Robots will have a significant impact on at least half of that list. They are not immune.

Healthcare and medicine: Robots can already do diagnoses and surgery. Many medical jobs are ripe for automation: pharmacy, for one.

Education: There is no reason to suppose robots cannot be the primary educators in the future. There is no real reason the current idea of kids & classrooms has to prevail. It is tremendously expensive and inefficient, usually the most expensive single item in a state budget. Eliminating this costly infrastructure and replacing it with distributed online education would save billions.

Quality Assurance: Best done by robots anyway. Humans are notoriously inaccurate when it comes to precision measurement, for example.

Politics & Law: OK: Law, anyway. A great deal of the legal profession is rote work. There's no reason a lawyer is required to do a last will and testament, for example. Even a modest AI is capable of asking the proper questions and drawing up documents.

I'm not claiming these fields can be entirely replaced by robots, but it's a mistake to assume they will remain unscathed. They are ripe for fundamental change that robots can provide.

[Ellirium113]

Here is something else to ponder... What happens when your robot develops certain AI learned things such as discrimination and racism? This has in fact already happened with chat-bots. One such chat bot was shut down twice already for developing such things. Will they begin to hate us as a race because we are undesirable?

[Pimander]

Will they begin to hate us as a race because we are undesirable?

Well look how undesirable Yahweh was/is... or the other so called creator Gods of our species.... people are still stupid enough to worship them so we might get lucky.

[ArMaP]

What happens when your robot develops certain AI learned things such as discrimination and racism? This has in fact already happened with chat-bots. One such chat bot was shut down twice already for developing such things.

That's slightly different, as that bot was programmed to "talk" like other people, so it was really in "learning mode" and applying what it was learning. It didn't learn how to hate, it learned how to respond to some words/sentences.

Will they begin to hate us as a race because we are undesirable?

That depends on the programming, if they are programmed to react against all things they consider a menace then they could consider us a menace and act accordingly.

[Ellirium113]

That's slightly different, as that bot was programmed to "talk" like other people, so it was really in "learning mode" and applying what it was learning. It didn't learn how to hate, it learned how to respond to some words/sentences.
That depends on the programming, if they are programmed to react against all things they consider a menace then they could consider us a menace and act accordingly.

Then how do you explain such things as this?

Android Dick seemed to exhibit a primitive form of both intelligence and emotion when the robot was asked, "Do you believe robots will take over the world?" Android Dick responded:
"Jeez, dude. You all have the big questions cooking today. But you're my friend, and I'll remember my friends, and I'll be good to you. So don't worry, even if I evolve into Terminator, I'll still be nice to you. I'll keep you warm and safe in my people zoo, where I can watch you for ol' times sake."(2)

http://glitch.news/2015-08-27-ai-robot-that-learns-new-words-in-real-time-tells-human-creators-it-will-keep-them-in-a-people-zoo.html

What was it going to do with the people that were not considered it's friends and not worthy of it's people zoo?

[ArMaP]

Then how do you explain such things as this?

It's explained in the link you posted, the answers were either real answers from Philip K. Dick to the questions or, if they didn't have any Philip K. Dick answers for one question it will select (and probably combined) answers found on the Internet for that (or probably similar) question.

What was it going to do with the people that were not considered it's friends and not worthy of it's people zoo?

Nothing, in the same way it was not going to have people zoo, it only said it would.

All those systems that answer questions, as far as I know, follow the same principle (although something like the one in your link had some added features, like facial expressions recognition and voice recognition, to make it look more human) of having predefined answers to questions that have keywords. For example, if it had in its database the expression "robots will take over the world" associated with the answer "I'll keep you warm and safe in my people zoo, where I can watch you for ol' times sake" then that's the answer it is going to give. Things that are considered irrelevant may get a generic answer like "Jeez, dude. You all have the big questions cooking today.", as that means nothing and can be used in almost any circumstance.