There Is A Second ET Email

[zorgon]

Well it looks like there are aluminum steel bucket teeth

Excavator bucket teeth, made of aluminum steel
Model Number:STE-IU3252
Min. Order:100 Pieces
FOB Price:US$ 1 - US$ 10
http://www.globalsources.com/si/AS/Ste-Superior/6008848006949/pdtl/Excavator-bucket-teeth/1079838842.htm


BTW THIS picture of the artifact does not have the shiny hole  Hmmm

[zorgon]

Well you did help point some of us in a better direction. You encouraged me to just ask why, when, and how. I never got all I wanted but was surprised at how much I was allowed around.

Well thanks for the kind words... but I think i didn't quite make myself clear....

What i mean by an effective entity was pegasus was supposed to be (still on the front page )

Pegasus Research Consortium
----------------------Our Mission--------------------------

We are a group dedicated to research and development of alternate energy systems and alternate propulsion systems for mankind's continued growth into the future.

---------------------What Do We Do?------------------------

Projects and project phases are ranked by feasibility of cost and proven methods. Phases are categorized by theory, engineering, and prototype construction models. Studies for the need of these emerging technologies and proposals for future funding will be included in the first phase of each project. Social, political, and economic impact studies will be completed in the second phase of each project. Marketing studies will be included in the final phases.

--------------------Why Are We Doing This?-----------------

The complexity of these projects is necessary in order to deliver a complete briefing for visiting venture capitalists, investors, firms, institutions, and their affiliates. Pegasus Research Consortium acts as a clearing house for overlooked and emerging technologies as well as a generator of emerging technologies.

-----------------------How Can I Help?---------------------

Pegasus Research Consortium's structure is currently non-profit status and is open to all serious individuals, companies, and other organizations who wish to contribute to ongoing research and development.

That was the intent when Matyas and I discussed the formation in the ATS thread :The Winged Horses and the Spaceships"

It is true we have a few good minds here  but we can never seem to put anything together that survives long enough to go beyond ego wars...

I suppose that is just the nature of forums...

Pegasus has never become an official registered business entity... it's just an internet presense

Is that a little cleares?

BTW nice to see you back

[petrus4]

There has always been a lot of garbage at ATS.  There used to be a lot of really interesting stuff hidden in there too though.  Right now its just an American politics site with a few threads on other stuff.  Considering how many members they have its quite boring there these days.  I used to enjoy it.

I ultiimately got banned because I was in the 9/11 forum, and I refused to tolerate the pseudoskeptical bullshit that the atheists were trying to ram down everyone else's throat about pancake theory.  They tried to shame and insult me into silence, and when that didn't work, while they didn't ban me outright, I could still log in today, but I would get the message, "your posting priveleges have been revoked."  I don't understand why I didn't get an outright ban, but who knows.  I suspect it's probably because of the amount of quality material that I gave them before that happened.

I miss the site, and I truthfully wasn't there for anywhere near as long as I wish I could have been; but it became painfully evident to me that the people running it had completely sold out.  I liked the old black layout a lot more.  Now it is white, and there are social media buttons all over it.

[Eighthman]

I see the race this way.

1) there is a difference between voting for a corrupt person and voting for a corrupt class/network or complete upper government

2) neurological deficits should automatically disqualify a candidate as Commander In Chief.  and the public should demand answers about this.

3) the US empire is dying.  It can end thru negotiation or outright war.  3 of the 4 Presidential candidates have taken strong stands against pointless wars. The 4th has publicly threatened WW3 over computer hacking (American Legion speech).

[zorgon]

I don't understand why I didn't get an outright ban, but who knows.

Because they need the number (of members) tomaintain their sponsors

[RUSSO]

  I liked the old black layout a lot more.  Now it is white,

You can change to the black layout in the top right button.

[RUSSO]

Well it looks like there are aluminum steel bucket teeth

Excavator bucket teeth, made of aluminum steel
Model Number:STE-IU3252
Min. Order:100 Pieces
FOB Price:US$ 1 - US$ 10
http://www.globalsources.com/si/AS/Ste-Superior/6008848006949/pdtl/Excavator-bucket-teeth/1079838842.htm


BTW THIS picture of the artifact does not have the shiny hole  Hmmm

Probably because that hole is where they took the sample to make the studies/test.

[RUSSO]

Experts believe mysterious aluminium object dating back 250,000 years 'could be part of ancient UFO'

WHAT 'experts"

I believe Gheorghe Cohal, the Deputy Director of the Romanian Ufologists Association.

WHERE was it tested?

A:

TWO SEPARATE LABORATORIES TESTED THE ARTIFACT BUT BOTH LABORATORIES RECEIVED ALMOST IDENTICAL RESULTS. THE OBJECT WAS TESTED IN THE ARCHAEOLOGICAL INSTITUTE OF CLUJ-NAPOCA, N LAUSANNE, SWITZERLAND.

HOW was it dated?

A:

THE DATING TECHNIQUE UTILIZED TO OBTAIN THE ARTIFACTS AGE WAS NOT RELEASED.

WHERE was it found?

A:

IT WAS DISCOVERED BY WORKERS WHILE DIGGING A TRENCH ALONG THE MURES RIVER IN ROMANIA IN 1974.

Source:http://www.ancient-code.com/15-things-you-should-know-about-the-aiud-aluminium-wedge/

Yes that is a nice artifact and I have that one cataloged but there are very few details of origin and testing, at least there was nothing the last time I looked a few years back

It is at least very intriguing 

WHY part of a UFO? Why not part of some Ancient technology like the Antikythera mechanism?  But then  maybe Aliens made that too

Alien or not, ancient tech or not, the point is most of our really ancient (pre?)history is unknown or supressed. There are many archaeological finds which don't get recognized because they don't fit into the official establishment record of how life on earth evolved.

While it is true that our science has some factual evidence of what happened thousands of years ago there is a good part of it that is  also hypothetical. In my oppinion humankind has been at some point in history influenced or altered by ETI in some way.

It is really up to you to take the facts that are taught or provided, then do the research of your own to make your own mind because, in the end of the day, your guess is as good as the next phd professor as no one (ok maybe vatican with all those supressed books) knows it with  100% certainty.

[Irene]

Frankly, I've learned that scientists have their own entrenched theories and refuse to entertain new ones. Their refusal to entertain new theories and their insistence upon their juniors taking on-board their warped beliefs cripples real science.

This is particularly true in archaeology and paleontology.

[RUSSO]

Frankly, I've learned that scientists have their own entrenched theories and refuse to entertain new ones. Their refusal to entertain new theories and their insistence upon their juniors taking on-board their warped beliefs cripples real science.

This is particularly true in archaeology and paleontology.

I know right?

But in the other hand, if they don't follow the "protocols" , they know that the next thing that will be buried are their own careers. At this point, It is really a matter of survival to the people that could have the will to touch the issues, afterall they need put food on the table.

[zorgon]

Frankly, I've learned that scientists have their own entrenched theories and refuse to entertain new ones. Their refusal to entertain new theories and their insistence upon their juniors taking on-board their warped beliefs cripples real science.

very true..

Most significant new discoveries in all fields have come from new young scientists who stumble upon it almost by accident.  Then they have to run the gaunlet of Peer Review to even get an article published.  Look up the long list of 'experts' and 'scientists' who were adamant taht mankind could not possibly fly... until some bicycle makers proved them wrong

How much has been lost to this Tribunal of Peer review where they austracize the newbie?

Arthur C. Clarke's three laws, of which the third law is the best known and most widely cited:

1. When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong.
2. The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible.
3. Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

[Irene]

I know right?

But in the other hand, if they don't follow the "protocols" , they know that the next thing that will be buried are their own careers. At this point, It is really a matter of survival to the people that could have the will to touch the issues, afterall they need put food on the table.

Which is why I have great respect for people who take the risks to bring us new ideas even if they fly in the face of dogma.

[RUSSO]

Which is why I have great respect for people who take the risks to bring us new ideas even if they fly in the face of dogma.

Me too!

[zorgon]

I believe Gheorghe Cohal, the Deputy Director of the Romanian Ufologists Association.

I WANT to believe (but prefer FACTS  )

TWO SEPARATE LABORATORIES TESTED THE ARTIFACT BUT BOTH LABORATORIES RECEIVED ALMOST IDENTICAL RESULTS. THE OBJECT WAS TESTED IN THE ARCHAEOLOGICAL INSTITUTE OF CLUJ-NAPOCA, N LAUSANNE, SWITZERLAND.

Suggestion:  Write the "ARCHAEOLOGICAL INSTITUTE OF CLUJ-NAPOCA, N LAUSANNE, SWITZERLAND" and request a copy of those test results..

OH WAIT!!!  There is no such place in Switzerland..

The Institute of Archaeology and Art History is an academic research institution in Cluj-Napoca, Romania.

"The Institute of Archaeology and Art History of the Romanian Academy, established on March 3, 1990 through a government decision, together with the Institute of History "George Bari?" is continuing the traditions of scientific and research developed in 1920s by the Romanian National Historical Institute, the Romanian Institute of Classical Studies and the Romanian Art History Seminar."\

So it was created in 199o... when was this artifact found?

THE DATING TECHNIQUE UTILIZED TO OBTAIN THE ARTIFACTS AGE WAS NOT RELEASED.

Well naturally because if they released that detail we could verify it.

IT WAS DISCOVERED BY WORKERS WHILE DIGGING A TRENCH ALONG THE MURES RIVER IN ROMANIA IN 1974.

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Hmmm okay not much more you can do with that.

It is at least very intriguing 

True... Old OOPARTS are always intriquing and most be cataloged... but far too many have logical explanations, like the spark plug and hammer in stone.

Alien or not, ancient tech or not, the point is most of our really ancient (pre?)history is unknown or supressed. There are many archaeological finds which don't get recognized because they don't fit into the official establishment record of how life on earth evolved.

true that... like the surgical steel scappel found in a 5000 year old grave

While it is true that our science has some factual evidence of what happened thousands of years ago there is a good part of it that is  also hypothetical. In my oppinion humankind has been at some point in history influenced or altered by ETI in some way.

Well maybe.  I used to think that when I started researching Ancient Aliens when Eric von Danekin first coined the term   But I am no leaning towards previous civilizations that have all but been erased.

There are MILLIONS of years between the Dino's and Early man  long eniough for several civilizations to have risen and declined. And most things man made deteriorate to dust after a million years. i doubt even the Pyramids would stand for a million years.  So all we would find is an occasional bit or OOPART that was protected in some way...  like human footprints walking with dinosaurs  or a heel of a shoe print crushing a trilobite (extinct 400 million years ago)

The Tibetan stories say we are the FIFTH civilization... something that is accepted in the Rosicrucian Camp as fact

It is really up to you to take the facts that are taught or provided, then do the research of your own to make your own mind because, in the end of the day, your guess is as good as the next phd professor as no one (ok maybe vatican with all those supressed books) knows it with  100% certainty.

There are other societies that have ancient records  Sadly the Chinese burned a LOT of old Tibetan manuscripts and the Muslims burned the Library of Alexandria....

To me THE MOST IMPORTANT find in archaeology is the Antikythera mechanism. Why?  Because it is a full functional model of the solar system, a computer with elaborate and precision gears, and there is NO RECORD of gear making prior to that, no earlier sample leading up to that.  Alien? I do not believe so because the dippiction is of our own solar system.  At best I would say it was an Atlantian or Lemurian artifact that was recovered by the Greeks but then lost at sea again waiting for us to pull it up.

All the other artifacts on that shipwreck were noraml Greek time period. But not that one item

We pay far to little attention to that one



Recreation of the device



http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/02files/Antikythera_Mechanism.html

[RUSSO]

I WANT to believe (but prefer FACTS  )

The question was WHAT 'experts"?

According to mirror.co.uk:

Gheorghe Cohal, the Deputy Director of the Romanian Ufologists Association, told local media: "Lab tests concluded it is an old UFO fragment given that the substances it comprises cannot be combined with technology available on Earth."

So i believe the expert in question was Gheorghe Cohal

Suggestion:  Write the "ARCHAEOLOGICAL INSTITUTE OF CLUJ-NAPOCA, N LAUSANNE, SWITZERLAND" and request a copy of those test results..

OH WAIT!!!  There is no such place in Switzerland..

Those are two places:

Romania institute:


http://www.institutarheologie-istoriaarteicj.ro/

The "N" I supose its a short for "and":

LAUSANNE, SWITZERLAND

I tried to dig which lab is it but it seems there is no information. Maybe a call or a email to Gheorghe Cohal could solve the problem.

Contact: Gheorghe Cohal. Phone: 0745875252. E-mail: georgecohal@yahoo.

I found this lab in Lausanne Switzerland, maybe the one they are talking about?


http://lmm.epfl.ch/

So it was created in 199o... when was this artifact found?

It was found in 1974. But what it has to do with the creation of the institute or the lab?

Well naturally because if they released that detail we could verify it.

Maybe.

True... Old OOPARTS are always intriquing and most be cataloged... but far too many have logical explanations, like the spark plug and hammer in stone.

Well im not saying its aliens but...

Well maybe.  I used to think that when I started researching Ancient Aliens when Eric von Danekin first coined the term   But I am no leaning towards previous civilizations that have all but been erased.

There are MILLIONS of years between the Dino's and Early man  long eniough for several civilizations to have risen and declined. And most things man made deteriorate to dust after a million years. i doubt even the Pyramids would stand for a million years.  So all we would find is an occasional bit or OOPART that was protected in some way...  like human footprints walking with dinosaurs  or a heel of a shoe print crushing a trilobite (extinct 400 million years ago)

Paradox of looking for clues

The biggest paradox encountered when looking for signs of Early Advanced Civilizations on the Planet would be the absolute unfamiliarity with their culture, and hence their cultural symbols.

If intelligent life has developed before the advent of the Homo Sapiens, its cultural relics might not be perceivable for us due to our inherent anthrophocentrism.

While we might attribute a cultural meaning to a well preserved stick (i.e. Wizard staff) we might be totally oblivious to the artifact value of for example a perfect sphere of stone, which we might consider a freak of nature, while its attribtues might have served as the whole underpinning of spirituality for a civilization that consists of Myriads of Myelin cells interactinv to form a 'fungal consciousness' on a planet.

Point given though, the presence of a giant intelligent fungus on our planet would have probably left traces, but my point is, if there was such a civilization before us and they had artifacts, we might not be able to distinguish them from natural objects due to our limitation to our human heritage.

http://worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/questions/4494/how-long-would-it-take-to-remove-all-trace-of-a-civilisation

The Tibetan stories say we are the FIFTH civilization... something that is accepted in the Rosicrucian Camp as fact

Or maybe we are at the 6 version as Architect reveals that the prophesy is a lie and that there have been in fact five versions of Neo before him. Did you not watch the matrix documentary  (sorry could not help myself)

There are other societies that have ancient records  Sadly the Chinese burned a LOT of old Tibetan manuscripts and the Muslims burned the Library of Alexandria....

We still have the Vatican Library. It problably covers a lot of the missing and burned books.

To me THE MOST IMPORTANT find in archaeology is the Antikythera mechanism

We pay far to little attention to that one

Thats true. Its really a "missing link".