There Is A Second ET Email

[Irene]

Oh, I often forget something after making these long rants !

I cannot escape the feeling that what is most remarkable about our technology is NOT how much progress we've made - but how little.  No cure for cancer, no way to stop aging, no warp drive, no free energy, no really good battery.  And social progress?  Back to the Cold War, back to riots in cities, "snowflake" petulance, back to black slavery thru incarceration.......

We're stuck.  Often, when you're stuck, you may drift backwards and that's what I sense......

We've made progress, it's just that the little people have no access.

Dick Cheney is a good example. The man should have been dead a few times over. Finally, he ends up on some kind of portable heart pump. I'd never heard of such a thing before. He survives on it long enough to receive a donor heart.

Who else do you know or have heard of has had access to the pump Cheney used?

Little people don't have access to that technology. One example of many.

[zorgon]

Aaah, so if you have read and believe Teleportation Physics Study then you must accept that the distances you quoted in another thread should NOT be an issue in the search for intelligent "alien" life.

Well sure but I do have one problem with that report... the involvement of Hal Puthoff in writing it

Devil's advocate or what?

Definitely 'what'

You know I'm not an idiot by now surely?  

Ummmm do I know that? 

[zorgon]

I have been working for years trying to put together something about the D'Jinn as being behind it all.

Let me do a short synapsis....

The D'Jinn of old were litterally all powerful and could do anything... eventually this power corrupted them. If you look at the Qur'an you will find that they were locked up with a sealed gate at each end.

Lets for a minute suppose that these All Powerful genies were indeed locked behind these gates. Let's suppose for a minute that these gates are in fact 'stargates' or interdimensional portals.

So... here is the question...  SOME power forced these D'jinn into the gates and sealled them. According to what I can find it was NOT God (in this case the god of Islam) So my problem is WHO did this?

The story as I have found it so far is that the D'Jinn were locked away and mankind was given a chance... again by WHOM?   These locked away old D'Jinn hate mankind and want to get back to their original glory.  However the new  born D'Jinn do not have this hatred of Mankind and sometimes reach out (channelling) through the portals. They become Guardian Angels to some... I suppose some of the older ones could easily be the Tricksters.

Now if this is indeed true then it explains a great many things. Hal Purthoff et al of the Aviary, Stanford Research Institute crew that included Edgar Mitchell, Russel Targ, Ingo Swan, Col John Alexander and a host of others (even Robert Bigelow).... those names crop up EVERYTIME and in every subject we look at. The connections are all there. They had that Skinwalker Ranch portal that they locked up and won't release what they found.

As to WHO locked away the D'Jinn... Hollywood in several tales calls them 'The Ancients'  We never see what these Ancients look like but they are always there. Stargate SG! has them, Babylon 5 had them. They are older than even the old races.. in these stories. Sure it is Hollywood, but these same Ancients appear in our religious texts and mythologies

So when a psychic or seer channels an Alien from Ashtar Command  perhaps they are actually picking up a D'Jinn... And since they would do anything to get back released who knows what these "tricksters" might say?  Our childhood fantasies hold these Genies... we all know they have omipotent power but are locked away (yes in a lamp sometimes the source of illumination?  Hmmmm )



So are these genies Aliens? or merely an older race that was here before us. Whatever the case they are entrenched in all our history

[petrus4]

The D'Jinn of old were litterally all powerful and could do anything... eventually this power corrupted them. If you look at the Qur'an you will find that they were locked up with a sealed gate at each end.

Lets for a minute suppose that these All Powerful genies were indeed locked behind these gates. Let's suppose for a minute that these gates are in fact 'stargates' or interdimensional portals.

I think of them as the Titans.  I won't go into specifics as to how I know, but as far as I am concerned, they are quite real.

According to Greek mythology, they were intensely powerful, and equally chaotic, and their behaviour was intolerable, so Zeus, the leader of the Olympian pantheon, locked them up somehow.  There was one that he did not lock up, however; Hekate.  He did not imprison her both because she was too powerful, but also because unlike the others, she was actually good.  In order to save face with the other Gods, however, he claimed that he had simply chosen not to lock her up out of grace, rather than admit that she was stronger than he was so he couldn't do it.

These locked away old D'Jinn hate mankind and want to get back to their original glory.

There's always two groups; the old and the new.  The old are always depicted as chaotic, immensely powerful, but largely mindless.  Norse mythology has them as well; but I don't know who is credited with locking them up in that case.  Judaism has a similar story, but it's not exactly the same.  Yahweh was supposed to have sealed up all of the spirits who actually served as Gods to the surrounding Middle Eastern civilisations, into what was called the Brazen Vessel; and then when King Solomon earned his favour, Yahweh gave him the ability to control them.  He used them to amass great wealth and build his temple and other buildings etc.

However the new  born D'Jinn do not have this hatred of Mankind and sometimes reach out (channelling) through the portals.

Lots of beings are channelled.  Channelling is the default means of communication for all of them.  The only real difference between the shamanic and the New Age form is that in the latter, spirits have to be polite, which means that they typically don't take over your body completely.  In the old school form, you get possessed in Linda Blair's sense of the word.

As to WHO locked away the D'Jinn... Hollywood in several tales calls them 'The Ancients'  We never see what these Ancients look like but they are always there. Stargate SG! has them, Babylon 5 had them. They are older than even the old races.. in these stories. Sure it is Hollywood, but these same Ancients appear in our religious texts and mythologies

For the Hegelian dialectic to work, you have to have two seperate versions of things; because you have to rely on the fact that not everyone is going to like the same version.  The Chokmah/Mercy/Socialist version of history is Darwinism; single linear human evolution.  The Geburah/Severity/Fascist version is essentially Darwinism in reverse.  It's the idea that there was a Beforetime or Golden Age, long ago, when there was supposedly a Utopian society with magical technology, where the Gods walked among men, and everyone was happy; but that ever since then, humanity has been on a course of degeneration down to our present state. 

So the Left end up worshipping technology, while the Right end up wanting nothing to do with it.  I admit, that given my own antiquarian tendencies, I ended up falling for the latter for a while; and I am still rather partial to it.  I think both are probably lies, however; or at least severely distorted.

[ArMaP]

Who else do you know or have heard of has had access to the pump Cheney used?

The fact that you don't know about it doesn't mean it's not relatively common, those devices have been used since the 1990s.

[ArMaP]

The D'Jinn of old were litterally all powerful and could do anything... eventually this power corrupted them. If you look at the Qur'an you will find that they were locked up with a sealed gate at each end.

I don't remember that part. Where does it say that?

[Irene]

The fact that you don't know about it doesn't mean it's not relatively common, those devices have been used since the 1990s.

Yes, and those devices were killing patients left and right by stroke. Cheney's device was advanced, extremely portable and "strokeless".

It kept him alive, but he didn't thrive, having lost a great deal of weight while on it.

[Eighthman]

I don't know what channeling provides proof of - I have never observed any example of it that was anything but rambling bullsh*t - lacking any objective value.  Seth Speaks is an interesting read but how about some free energy, Seth? Or maybe a cure for cancer?  Or do you have a ready-made excuse for lacking that?

As for the Elite, you can bet that they jump the line on organ transplants.  And get tickets to pedophile island.  Everything is being exposed as corrupt, but what does it matter?  Nothing seems to change and Americans are too sick and lazy to actually take up arms.  Is the best we can hope for a sort of creative rot?  Decay with benefits?

[Eighthman]

This just in !  There's another ET email.

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/12127

The Vatican has the hots for Aliens.  Catholic types leading the charge.

[Pimander]

Ummmm do I know that? 

Not if you're an idiot no!

[Irene]

Petrus4,

Lots of beings are channelled.  Channelling is the default means of communication for all of them.  The only real difference between the shamanic and the New Age form is that in the latter, spirits have to be polite, which means that they typically don't take over your body completely.  In the old school form, you get possessed in Linda Blair's sense of the word.

I have a very close friend who agrees with this, particularly what I've highlighted. She experienced this while "fighting" with five LEOs. She respects the police and would never fight with them, but she swears that during her struggle with them that her leg stuck itself out against her will to try and trip one of the officers. She said she was so stunned by this involuntary action that she went limp with fear.

She was later diagnosed with psychosis. She'd never been in trouble with the police and had no contact with them after this incident.

She continues to be very disturbed by this action because she cannot explain how it happened. She did not will it, did not do it, and would not do it, yet it happened.

[zorgon]

I don't remember that part. Where does it say that?

Sura 18  the story of Gog and magog. Since they were giants Pets-R-Us may be right about the Zeus/Titan version too 

Then followed he (another) way.
      Until, when he reached (a tract) between two mountains. He found, beneath them, a people who scarcely understood a word.
      They said: "O Zul-Qarnain! The Gog and Magog (people) do great mischief on earth: Shall we then render thee tribute in order that thou mightiest erect a barrier between us and them.
      He said: "(The power) in which My Lord has established me is better (than tribute):
      Help me therefore with strength (and labour): I will erect a strong barrier between you and them:
      Bring me blocks of iron. At length when he had filled up the space between the two steep mountain-sides, he said, "Blow (with your bellows)". Then when he had made it (red) as fire, he said: "Bring me, that I may pour over it molten lead."
      Thus were they made powerless to scale it or to dig through it.
      He said this is a mercy from my Lord. But when the promise of my Lord comes to pass He will make it into dust. And the promise of my Lord is true. (Q. 18:92-98, Yusuf Ali's translation)


EXCERPT:

After some time journeying, Sallaam came to a "lofty mountain on which was a fortress. And the rampart which Dhu'l-Qarnain built is in a broad opening between two mountains, the breadth of which is two hundred cubits [300ft or 100m]. That was the road through which they (Gog & Magog) issued and spread over the earth. And he dug the foundation of it to the depth of 30 cubits, and built it of iron and copper until it reached to the surface of the ground. Then he raised two side pillars near to the mountains on both sides of the opening 25 cubits broad, and 50 cubits high, which projected at the base to ten cubits beyond the gate. The while was built with iron bricks, covered with copper, each a cubit and a half by a cubit and a half, and four finger breadth high. There was an iron lintel 120 cubits long and 5 cubits broad, which rested on each end on the pillars, projecting 10 cubits beyond them. Above the lentel was a structure of iron covered with copper to the top of the mountains. The height of the structure extending as far as the eye could reach, about 60 cubits above the lentels. Above it were iron pinnacles, each having as the side, two horns bent towards each other. The length of each pinnacle was five cubits and the breadth four. There were 37 pinnacles upon the structure. Then the gate had two doors which lowered, each 50 cubits broad by 75 cubits high, and 5 cubits thick. The upright of the doors turned on pivots upon a level with the lintels, and no air could penetrate either by the gate, or from the mountains. The whole being built as in one piece. On the gate was a bolt 7 cubits long and a fathom round which two men could not draw. The height of the bolt from the ground was 25 cubits. Five cubits above the bolt was a lock longer than the bolt, the two staples of which were each 2 cubits long. To the lock a key was hung a cubit and a half long with 12 wards, each ward like the pestle of a mortar. The key was 4 spans round and was suspended from a chain 8 cubits long and 4 spans round which was riveted to the gate. The ring to which the chain was attached was like the ring of a ballista. The threshold of the gate was 10 cubits broad, with a length of 100 cubits, excluding the space under the two pillars, the visible part of which was 5 cubits. ... In one of the two fortresses, were the builders implements, with which the rampart had been built, consisting of iron cauldrons, and iron ladles. On each trivet, 4 cauldrons like those in which soap is boiled (could be placed).

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/42stargate/03files/Muslim_Connection.html


There are stories that I need to re find about Alexander the Great having found the gates... I have to start looking again

[zorgon]

This just in !  There's another ET email.

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/12127

The Vatican has the hots for Aliens.  Catholic types leading the charge.

Just read that email... Looks BOGUS to me....  It is written by one Terri Donovan Mansfield

On behalf of:  Edgar D. Mitchell, ScD  Chief Science Officer & Founder, Quantrek  Apollo 14 astronaut  6th man to walk on the Moon

Edgar passed away... so this is an old email. Besides the story about the Vatican Observatory in Arizona and talk of Aliens from the Vatican is OLD NEWS we already covered here years ago.

I am going to call FOUL on this one. This is a BOGUS email. Thing about emails is you can write anything you want, and say it came from anywhere you want it to be from... and NO ONE can vet it. Since Edgar is dead, he cannot refute it.

I have Edgars personal email addy...  but this email is not from him

Don't be so eager to BELIEVE   Its all BS to get those Killary votes. Podesta WORKS FOR HILLARY  simple as that  Don't fall for it

Vatican Official Declares Extraterrestrial Contact Is Real  2005

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/49ufo_files/03files2/Monsignor_Corrado%20_Balducci.html

Vatican Ponders Baptism of Extraterrestrials
The Vatican Observatory
Many Saints Believed in Extraterrestrial Life:  Vatican Monsignor Corrado Balducci


All here on one of the early pages on Livingmoon

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/49ufo_files/03files2/Monsignor_Corrado%20_Balducci.html

[Pimander]

I don't know what channeling provides proof of - I have never observed any example of it that was anything but rambling bullsh*t - lacking any objective value.  Seth Speaks is an interesting read but how about some free energy, Seth? Or maybe a cure for cancer?  Or do you have a ready-made excuse for lacking that?

There is no example that I know of of new technology or something especially useful coming from channelled sources.  Some nice hippy-dippy material that is like New Age self help books (which I admit I enjoyed in the 90s) but nothing else.

Channelling is proof of nothing.  If you believe in remote influencing or telepathy then how the hell do you know what or who - if anything- that you are channelling.  It could be a human, your unconscious or any devilish source of consciousness.  Channelling is passive psychism at best and delusional fetishism at worst.  If you believe in an akashic record then all knowledge should be available without submitting to the influence of other beings consciousness....

Control your mind or somebody else will!

[Pimander]

Don't be so eager to BELIEVE   Its all BS to get those Killary votes. Podesta WORKS FOR HILLARY  simple as that  Don't fall for it

The wikileaks are cleared by Russia and they want Trump in office.  You're confused mate.