There Is A Second ET Email

[ArMaP]

I agree. he may not have any real power...  on the otherhand if that is true, why does his own party fear him?  Perhaps he will have the power to replace certain people

I think that the US is at a point in which who is chosen doesn't matter, so they make experiments. With Obama they tried to see if people would elect a black president, now they are trying to see if people elects a woman or a businessman, both with skeletons in their closets.

Unfortunately, the whole world suffers with the consequences of this situation.

[Pimander]

Bernie found out real quick that votes don't count   But he should have switched to trump's camp instead of backing Killary

Bernie is a democratic socialist so he hates big business.

So what? Not all rich people are evil   The main difference is he is not a career politcian, but a succesful businessman with a proven track record.

Yes, not all wealthy people are evil,  but big businesses and corporations (along with the banking system) are precisely what is fuc4ing up the planet.  Surely even a Trump supporter can see that?

We keep screaming for change and yet when it is presented we still squack

You should have got behind Bernie then.  He was going for the banks and big business interests (and the super rich).

The American Dream is to get rich and live independently... but when someone does that all of a sudden they become the elite and must be vilified.  You can't win

Why do you think most of the people on the planet are so pissed off with America.  the American dream is what is fuc4ing up this planet.

The principles on which America were founded were AMAZING.  What has become of USA is sad, pathetic and a shame on humanity.  We can't just go on consuming and consuming regardless of the impact on other humans and the planet. It is insane.

I don't hear anything coming from Trump that will sort these things out.  He is proud of not paying his fare share to society (through tax).  He comes from a nation of immigrants and blames immigrants for the problems of America.  If Trump was the solution I'd support him every inch of the way but what is he going to do to address the problems above and when will he come to terms with the fact that all humans should be treated with respect (even decent Muslims and Latinos)?

Point is we are down to two choices. #1 is vote the same old same old KNOWN crooks and then spend the next four years bitching about it... or #2 give the unknown a chance. If you think you vote doesn't count, then don't vote BUT if you don't vote, you give up your rights to BITCH afterwards

That is the only choice is it?  And if people in their millions stopped supporting both of them could they be in office?

There are even other candidates that you all forget about....  Could the entire population of America not manage to put forward a single better candidate than a divisive establishment politician and a misogynistic, xenophobic, billionaire businessman who thinks it is a good thing that he avoids paying tax?  Really?  Then you get what you deserve.  Unfortunately it affects the rest of the world and there isn't a lot we can do about it.

In my opinion if Killary does get in, then we know the fix is permanent and NOTHING we do short of a revolution will fix it. And Americans, despite them stocking up on guns, are currently to WUSSY and APATHETIC  to do anything about it.

Or you could start to organise a campaign to run a good candidate for office NOT in one of the big two parties.  Use your brains and the constitution you all claim is so great to your advantage.  That is the whole point of democracy.

It was nice though, a week long event and not ONE mention of any politician...

I don't have that luxury.

ETA:  Trump talks about it being rigged.  It is.  Unfortunately there seems to be no chance for anyone outside the two parties.  The trouble is that means we have a choice between two of the most hated people in America.  If it wasn't rigged Trump would not be in with a chance!

[ArMaP]

There are even other candidates that you all forget about....  Could the entire population of America not manage to put forward a single better candidate than a divisive establishment politician and a misogynistic, xenophobic, billionaire businessman who thinks it is a good thing that he avoids paying tax?

The problem with the system in the US is that even if people vote in a candidate from a different party or independent there's no guarantee that that candidate will be president, as the electors can really vote in whoever they want.

Another problem, and one that can appear in this year's elections, is that many times the electors are chose before the party candidate is chose, so it's possible that some electors are against their party's candidate and, if elected, prefer not to vote in him/her.

Also, from a conspiracy theory point of view, the fact that there are several days between the choosing of the electors (not known by most of the voters) and the time the electors vote, allowing for some "pressure" to be applied to some of them to "shift" the results, if needed.

It's a stupid system, far from democratic.

[Pimander]

It's a stupid system, far from democratic.

I agree.  However, if Americans had enough sense they could change the system... It is NOT impossible.

[ArMaP]

I agree.  However, if Americans had enough sense they could change the system... It is NOT impossible.

True, it's not impossible, but they would have to change their dear constitution, something they appear to do only by religious motives, like forbidding alcoholic drinks.

[Irene]

I think that the US is at a point in which who is chosen doesn't matter, so they make experiments. With Obama they tried to see if people would elect a black president, now they are trying to see if people elects a woman or a businessman, both with skeletons in their closets.

Unfortunately, the whole world suffers with the consequences of this situation.

You have accidentally said something I agree with.   

[Eighthman]

It seems that no one, not one pundit, talks about what sort of things will occur after the election.

There are severe budget problems and a surging deficit.  Guns and butter can't be afforded. The CBO says in 7 years there will no tax money for anything beyond debt payments and entitlements - faster if we fall into recession (likely).
Hillary will be inaugurated in fragile health with the worst credibility of any elected President I'm familiar with.  We'll have the greatest problems coupled with the least political ability to change. 

This is a recipe for disaster.  Not civil war, just potential civil breakdown. 

[petrus4]

Or you could start to organise a campaign to run a good candidate for office NOT in one of the big two parties.  Use your brains and the constitution you all claim is so great to your advantage.  That is the whole point of democracy.

Pimander, there are many, many people within American politics currently, who quite simply do not care how many people they need to kill, in order to maintain their position.  Given that type of ethical and psychological environment, coherent democracy is not only impossible, but truthfully a working political system of literally any other kind is impossible as well.

This is, truthfully, the main source of my current optimism about said government's eventual collapse.  Any organisation that is composed of people who are as relentlessly psychopathic as this group, can not by definition exist for long periods of time, because there is no stable form; it is nearing a condition of complete entropy, in which nothing can survive.  I have seen the words of members of CTR and people working for the Clinton Foundation on 4chan.  They are people who do not care about anything other than money and power, and they care about those two things to the complete exclusion of both their own survival, and anyone else's.

So it can not last.  Either way, it can not last.  Either Wikileaks succeeds in motivating the people to throw Hillary and virtually the entirety of the rest of the government into cages for the rest of their lives as they deserve, or (more likely) Hillary wins the election, takes the country to nuclear Armageddon with Russia, and both sides are destroyed as a result...but whichever way it goes, the point is that the current situation will not be permanent.

The ancient Chinese were aware of a condition which they called, "the point of return."  This was a scenario where one of the two polarities, either Yin or Yang, had been taken to such an extreme, that a violent reversal of polarity was inevitable.  In the case of individuals who were so polarised, one of two things could happen.  Either the person or group could voluntarily move back into balance themselves, or the polarity reversal would be effected by means of their death.  The ultimate result, however, was the same.

At this stage, the question is not whether Pax Americana is over.  The real question now, is how many other people are potentially going to be taken with it, when the explosions really begin.  As Armap said, American imperialism has now become almost exclusively a source of international misery and suffering.  The American government has long since ceased to be a force for solving problems, and is now almost exclusively a force for creating problems.

[Pimander]

Pimander, there are many, many people within American politics currently, who quite simply do not care how many people they need to kill, in order to maintain their position.  Given that type of ethical and psychological environment, coherent democracy is not only impossible, but truthfully a working political system of literally any other kind is impossible as well.

I don't see the evidence for that.  I see very little evidence of anyone with a coherent plan trying to change things.

True, it's not impossible, but they would have to change their dear constitution, something they appear to do only by religious motives, like forbidding alcoholic drinks.

Changing how the Democrats elect their nominee for President would change everything.  You would have Bernie Sanders v Trump now.  Polls suggested Sanders would have won comfortably if that was the current choice.

[zorgon]

Bernie is a democratic socialist so he hates big business.

True  all those 'free' programs he was going to do and gouge the tax payers

Yes, not all wealthy people are evil,  but big businesses and corporations (along with the banking system) are precisely what is fuc4ing up the planet.  Surely even a Trump supporter can see that?

yes I agree  Greedy corporations like halibuton are the root of all planetary evil... but the big corporation set up by Pierre Omidyar (Ebay) is my life blood   So you cannot just look at it in one lump...

Solution? I have no idea at this point... Maybe we do need Aliens to sort us out

A complete economic colapse could be the answer. It will be tough for a while but we would come out of it ahead.

You should have got behind Bernie then.  He was going for the banks and big business interests (and the super rich).
Why do you think most of the people on the planet are so pissed off with America.  the American dream is what is fuc4ing up this planet.

Oddly enough I was liberal all my life until obama   Bernie made some good noises, but he is too old and too socialist. Ron paul had my support, but he found out he can't buck the system anyway

As for the dream.. well I am close to it I have my house and not doing too bad overall. Not independent yet  but maybe after i sell off my rocks I will be okay. Only thing is it is a little harder to sell rocks during a recession. Odd but people seem to prefer buying food

Still though, those crazy Brits will buy Kardashian Lollipops at 14.00 a pop and pay $20,00 shipping

Want one?



http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sugar-Factory-Couture-Lollipop-Las-Vegas-Green-Apple-Dice-Fob-/122160025712

[Eighthman]

Podesta email talks about RAND and Battelle

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/15052

May dovetail with William Tompkins revelations about work on secret space craft.

Big business is inherently evil and opposed to representative government.  Create a big economic entity and you automatically have compromised democratic governance.  We should have strict enforcement of anti-trust legislation. Bernie was OK with small business as mayor. 

[zorgon]

The principles on which America were founded were AMAZING.

Yes set up by Rosicrucians and Freemasons  who now are vilified by "we the people"  We were sold back to the banks by Woodrow Wilson in 1914 and every president who tried to fix that was assasinated

I don't hear anything coming from Trump that will sort these things out.  He is proud of not paying his fare share to society (through tax).  He comes from a nation of immigrants and blames immigrants for the problems of America.  If Trump was the solution I'd support him every inch of the way but what is he going to do to address the problems above and when will he come to terms with the fact that all humans should be treated with respect (even decent Muslims and Latinos)?

Well all the other politicians make all sorts of promises what they are going to do... then NEVER do any of it So maybe trump is smarter. make no promises  wait till he gets in and show what he can do by action not words. Any true succesful business person will tell you the key to success is DO IT   then talk about it after it is accomplished, not talk about what your gonna do that never happens. 

That is the only choice is it?  And if people in their millions stopped supporting both of them could they be in office?

yes under the current system that is our only choice. If millions of people stopped supporting them they still only need ONE vote to win. So if all Americans didn't go to the poles they still have their own vote and family votes.  All you need is THREE voters and one of them will win.

Short of major revolution or a coup, there is no solution in the current scheme of things

There are even other candidates that you all forget about.... 

No there are not  At this point we only have A or B  The parties get to pick who A or B will be... nothing we do will effect that

Could the entire population of America not manage to put forward a single better candidate than a divisive establishment politician and a misogynistic, xenophobic, billionaire businessman who thinks it is a good thing that he avoids paying tax?  Really?  Then you get what you deserve.  Unfortunately it affects the rest of the world and there isn't a lot we can do about it.

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Fvck the rest of the world    Income tax is illegal anyway and the IRS is a PRIVATE company, the collection arm of the Federal Reserve, a private Rothschild corporation that owns the USA and Britain

You also forget that just because a business avoids paying taxes, they really don't... it just pays out in a different way. I can go into details of how that works but not here.

The same system works for the average American too IF you know the rules of the game. I myself have used it. One small example  As a teamster I am basically a subcontractor  so all my tools are a tax write off So are any meals I buy at work. 100% if for more than one person, 80% if just for yourself.  There are so many tools the rich use that ANYONE can use to make their own situation better... but I find few people will even listen let alone try it... but they are quick to bitch about not enough money and how the rich get away with murder

And you really think the few measly doolars they collect from approx 120 million tax payers (2013 census) funds this country? Do the Math  They 'misplace' annually in the pentagon budget severel TRILLION dollars. The fed misplaced 9 TRILLION dollars in fidcal year 2009 alone  That is 35.000 for every man woman and child in the USA...  Do the math

Or you could start to organise a campaign to run a good candidate for office NOT in one of the big two parties.  Use your brains and the constitution you all claim is so great to your advantage.  That is the whole point of democracy.
I don't have that luxury.

That is what Ron paul did.... but the other parties changed the rules so he had no chance to win.  There is a youtube video here somewher explaining how that happened and how that would effect Bernie's chances as well.  Seems they were right

ETA:  Trump talks about it being rigged.  It is.  Unfortunately there seems to be no chance for anyone outside the two parties.  The trouble is that means we have a choice between two of the most hated people in America.  If it wasn't rigged Trump would not be in with a chance!

On what do you base your info that Trump is hated?  A black sheriff heard the rhetoric how trump is any blacks  so he went to a Rally to see for himself...  his youtube video says he was treated with respect and there was NO RACISM in the Trump camp. that the only trouble came form the paid protestors that were outside the auditorium.

The media is quick to show trump in a bad light... they edit his words to make it sound worse...  try actually listining to him... try actually talking to him (yeah I know your in Nottingham )

The only ones that hate him are the paid protestors and those on welfare that arre afraid they will have to find a job when he cuts food stamps   But actually he never said he would cut them  just that he would make sure that jobs could be there to replace them

Think about it  the government needs all kinds of work done... so why not farm it out to able bodied people collecting dole?  I see nothing wrong with that

[Pimander]

I'd say at least 50%of Americans can't stand Trump.  That is not likely to unite the country.  Hilary is hated by a similar number.  You'll see when you get the election result.  Trump is going to lose.

[zorgon]

You'll see when you get the election result.  Trump is going to lose.

Well tha6t depends if they allow Hillary to count graveyard votes

[petrus4]

I don't see the evidence for that.  I see very little evidence of anyone with a coherent plan trying to change things.

That is exactly the point.  No one is trying to change things.  All they are trying to do is amass as much money and power for themselves individually as possible.

Changing how the Democrats elect their nominee for President would change everything.  You would have Bernie Sanders v Trump now.  Polls suggested Sanders would have won comfortably if that was the current choice.

I would encourage viewing of this film, multiple times if necessary.

The central point is that the ruling principle in America right now, is assassination.  The country is a wetwork-ocracy, if there is such a thing.  Go and read about the Clinton body count, if you don't already know about it.  This is also the entire reason why I have never believed in the legitimacy of either Snowden or Assange; because if either of them were legitimate, they would not have lived long enough for us to find out about them.  I read on /r/conspiracy about people being assassinated for various reasons all the time, and as previously mentioned, most of them are trivial compared to what those two are supposed to have done.

Any talk about democratic reform, therefore, is so utterly pointless that it hardly warrants mention.  The American government is 100% within Game of Thrones territory, at this point.  We are literally back to the Borgias.  The only rule that anyone within the senior levels of the government knows is that people either do what they want, or they die.  This, again, is why I have also said that the collapse of the government is inevitable, because it is now anti-life by definition; but said collapse is going to be just that.  There will be no reform, because anyone who attempts such reform can expect to be slaughtered before they cover 5% of the necessary ground.

The reason why changing the rules is not going to help, is because we are talking about people who do not recognise the legitimacy of rules or anything else which prevents them from getting what they want, on a literally momentary basis.  We are talking about people with the mentality of psychopathic two year olds, who also happen to have access to nuclear weapons.  What they want, right now, is all that matters, and in their minds, anyone or anything that prevents them from getting that is simply to be removed.

Peaceful change, legitimate change, change within a rule-based framework; that can only happen when you are dealing with people who both care about their own survival, and who are also subject to emotional appeal.  Neither of those conditions exist in the case of the American government.