actually being pres was never the goal

[rdunk]

Yes, I saw that yesterday! And I thought............and this is the woman so many people will be voting for to be the President of our country!!!!!

But, characterizations of Hillary Clinton here are very similar to many other past situations wherein she totally loses control in what she says and how she displays herself to others, especially those who are working for her. A really sad situational case for America, for someone like that to be in the running for President. - - - But it is what it is!!   

[space otter]

you always have to consider the source of the info

http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-threw-a-tantrum-with-matt-lauer/

CLAIM: Hillary Clinton threw a tantrum, and a water glass, after NBC's "Commander-in-Chief" Forum in September 2016.

FALSE
EXAMPLE: [Collected via e=mail, October 2016]

DEMOCRAT HILLARY CLINTON'S BEHIND THE SCENES TIRADE AFTER NBC's MATT LAUER ASKED CLINTON THE ONE QUESTION SHE HAD NOT PRE-APPROVED. Was her foul-mouth tirade for real?

ORIGIN:Rumors holding that Hillary Clinton had a "meltdown," threw a water glass at a staffer, and engaged in a curse-filled tirade following NBC's Commander-in-Chief Forum with have been circulating since the Democratic presidential nominee participated in that forum, which aired on 7 September 2016. While these rumors do seem to be rooted in a little truth — the Clinton campaign was not happy with the questions Lauer asked (or didn't ask) during the event &mdash claims that Clinton threw a "hissy fit" are unfounded.

The web site Victurus Libertas was the first to promulgate this rumor, publishing an article entitled "Temper! Temper! Hillary Goes on Rampage for Over An Hour — Throwing Glass at Staffer's Head." Although Victurus Libertas linked to credible reports from NY Mag  and Yahoo! News which explained that Clinton's campaign was miffed with Lauer for not fact-checking Donald Trump during the event, they cited Politicoas their source for the claim that Clinton had thrown a water glass at a staffer:

And Politico's headlines read:  "Liberals Lash Out at Lauer, NBC".  It seems to me, no one is "lashing out" but Hillary.

Hillary's meltdown included throwing a water glass at a staffer — narrowly missing her head, and demanding Matt Lauer be fired!  She was overheard threatening executives at NBC saying "If I lose, we all go down and that Fascist frig will have us swinging from nooses! What the frig is wrong with you idiots?"

None of this information appeared in the cited Politico report, however.

Politico did publish an article entitled "Liberals Lash Out at Lauer, NBC," reporting that Clinton's campaign and supporters were upset with interviewer Lauer for posing "unbalanced questions":

At an event that saw both Clinton and conservative challenger Donald Trump challenged on their stances toward national defense and foreign policy, liberal operatives and Clinton supporters took exception to what they perceived as unbalanced questions, criticizing Lauer for failing to push back on false statements by Trump and for spending a significant amount of time on Clinton's email scandal.
But Politico but they did not report that Hillary Clinton threw a water glass at anyone's head, threatened to fire Matt Lauer, or called Donald Trump a "fascist frig." All of that was invented by Victurus Libertas in an apparent attempt to smear the Democratic candidate, and it served as the basis for a longer, highly embellished version of the rumor that began circulating via e-mail in October 2016:

Subject: Matt Lauer & Hillary what REALLY happened....

     WHAT REALLY HAPPENED AT THE NBC PRESIDENTIAL FORUM WITH MATT LAUER?

     DEMOCRAT HILLARY CLINTON'S BEHIND THE SCENES TIRADE AFTER NBC's MATT LAUER ASKED CLINTON ONE QUESTION SHE HAD NOT PRE-APPROVED.

       VETERAN NBC CAMERAMAN:   'YOU REALLY HAD TO SEE THIS TO BELIEVE IT...SHE CAME APART – LITERALLY UNGLUED; SHE IS THE MOST FOUL-MOUTHED WOMAN I'VE EVER HEARD...AND THAT  VOICE AT SCREECH LEVEL...AWFUL!'

     "SHE LOOKED SO ENRAGED THAT WE ALL THOUGHT HER HEAD WOULD EXPLODE...IT WAS A FULL-ON MELT-DOWN, AND THEN SHE SCREAMED SHE'D GET THAT F – – – ING LAUER FIRED FOR THIS. IT WENT ON FOR AT LEAST A HALF HOUR; WE ALL THOUGHT THE EMS  WOULD BE THE NEXT CALL." 

  NBC Associate Producer of Forum:
       Behind the scenes, NBC technicians and cameramen at the Wednesday night, Commander-in-Chief Forum (Sept 7) report that Hillary Clinton was so angry and incensed that she had been  'blind-sided' by one question she was not prepared for and had not approved in advance.

       "When her time in front of the cameras ended, Clinton shook the hand Lauer extended to her and smiled once more for the wide camera shot and then Hillary proceeded to pick up a full glass of water and threw it at the face of her assistant and the screaming started. She was in a full meltdown and no one on her staff dared speak with her – she went kind of manic and didn't have any control over herself at that point. How these people work with this woman is amazing to me.  Most of the small military audience were cordoned off, their seating not close to Mrs. Clinton, but certainly they heard her screaming because it was loud...and she really didn't seem to care who heard any of it."

       Republican Donald Trump also appeared, in a separate telecast from Hillary Clinton's and arrived with his two sons but no entourage or assistants in tow.  The NBC cameramen involved in his segment said he was a 'true gentleman' and Trump and his sons spoke to everyone and thanked them for inviting him to speak: "It was a pleasure to answer your questions Matt."

       Hillary Clinton's segment was much different. According to people working on the sidelines, "When Matt posed the one legitimate question about the FBI investigation concerning her homemade server and the unsecured emails, we could see she was beginning to boil and her eyes looked to pop."

       "It was toward the end of her interview so she was becoming unglued by the time Lauer finished with questioning.  Hillary went ballistic, throwing a huge tantrum and screaming at her staff, "you f – – – ing idiots, you were supposed to have this thing set up for me and you've screwed it up!   If that f – – – ing bastard wins we all hang from nooses!   Lauer's finished...and if I lose it's all on you ass – – – – s for screwing this up."

       Clinton finally stormed off the military 'set' and the assistant producer said she was screaming that she wanted to talk to "the idiot who set this mess up...you do not blindside me – ever!" and continued to demand to speak with executives at Comcast, parent company to NBC Universal.

       Her dozen or more aides were visibly disturbed and tried to calm her down when she started shaking uncontrollably.  That did not stop her from demanding an executive "on the phone, now!"  She was told the executive-in-charge of the forum was ready to talk with her and she was led away by two rather large aides who appeared to help her walk.

       The TV executives got the message with all of the censuring headlines that followed over the next couple of days when it seemed the entire media turned on Matt Lauer for behaving in a "partisan" manner and "being grossly unfair and critical of the former secretary of state."

      Matt Lauer was heavily criticized on air by the Clinton campaign the rest of the week with most of the mainstream media joining in.  The media appeared to frame Matt's one serious question as the Clinton campaign was doing..."an unfair and partisan attack on Mrs. Clinton."

       Matt Lauer is still facing major backlash following his 23 minutes with Hillary Clinton.  Privately, many reporters said Matt handed the Democrat nominee the expected softball questions, but made the decision to ask about the emails because, "the American people deserve an answer from the former secretary of state."

      Calls were made to New York Times, Washington Post and Huffington Post and Twitter executives with orders to "Crush Matt Lauer".   As you can easily see with all the headlines from these MSM sources, they did as they were told by the Clinton campaign.

     Hillary also screamed that she would be "treated with respect at the debates or heads will roll."   Staffers at the Clinton campaign report that they fear her wrath and uncontrollable outbursts, and one described Hillary as  "an egotistical psychopath".

     Since Hillary does not allow any staff to have cell phones when she is in their presence, no footage is available, but Hillary will never let this rest.  She has made it clear that she wants Matt Lauer to be "persona non grata – for putting her on the spot."

      Interim DNC chairman Donna Brazile, the first black woman to hold the position, was singled out by Hillary during the rant.   She screamed at Donna, "I'm so sick of your face.   You stare at the wall like a brain dead buffalo, while letting that f – – – ing Lauer get away with this.   What are you good for, really?   Get the f – – – to work  janitoring this mess – do I make myself clear?"

       A female NBC executive said that Donna Brazile looked at Mrs. Clinton and never flinched, which seemed to enrage Hillary all the more.  The executive continued, "It was the most awful and terrible...and racist display – such a profane meltdown I have ever witnessed from anyone,  and I will never forget it.  That woman should never see the inside of the oval office I can tell you that.  She was unhinged and just continued to verbally abuse everyone – she was out of control."

The earliest iteration of that longer narrative we could uncover was posted to the message board of the web site MTStars, where it was presented without citations, source information, audio, video, or any other proof the described these events actually transpired.It should also be noted that no credible media outlets have reported that Clinton went on a cursed-filled tirade after the Commander-in-Chief Forum, or that she threw a water glass at a staffer's head. 

Rumors that Clinton threw a "tantrum" after NBC's Commander-in-Chief Forum started with a fictitious quote, and that narrative was later expanded with more fake quotes from other anonymous sources. Meanwhile, no actual evidence has surfaced to prove that any of these events actually transpired.

ORIGINALLY PUBLISHED: 22 October 2016

[thorfourwinds]

snopes ?   Really?   

Hillary Clinton once threw a Bible at the back of a Secret Service agent's head, part of a pattern of unhinged rage that the now-presumptive Democratic nominee exhibited...

[space otter]

http://www.breitbart.com/   REALLY?   bhahahahahahahahahah


hi
Thor.. sendin ya hugs and all that is good.. hope you are well

[rdunk]

Whether this is true or not, there is nothing new in this report that has not been similarly reported by Secret Service agents, and others, relative to Hillary "losing it" and verbally and abusively lashing out to those around her! Just another f many reasons she is not credible for the position of POTUS!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ArMaP]

Whether this is true or not, there is nothing new in this report that has not been similarly reported by Secret Service agents, and others, relative to Hillary "losing it" and verbally and abusively lashing out to those around her!

So, it doesn't matter if this is a lie? Interesting.

[rdunk]

So, it doesn't matter if this is a lie? Interesting.

No, what I meant by what I said is, either way, Hillary Clinton is already well known for doing such as is presented in this article. No surprises! Because this fits her so well........it is likely right on point---and accurate!!

[rdunk]

Pimander, you have asked for information relative to Trump policies - maybe this will help you a bit with that matter! Most of these items are very specific and are very direct to present matters of the country!!

28 Things Donald Trump Promises to Do as President

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/10/22/donald-trump-contract-american-voter-100-days-5338007/

[Pimander]

The part I like about what Trump says is how he would like to stop the influence of Corporate lobbying and political donations influencing election results.  The irony of that is of course he funds his own campaign using money from things like exploiting foreign illegal immigrant labour.

The thing about Hilary having a tantrum, if true is just another element to the comical nature of this year in American politics.  If the stakes were not so high I'd finds it a lot funnier.

[space otter]

only posting this  to  show how easily things can be fudged up
can you just imagine years from now someone coming across those pics with no explaination.....hummmmmmm and then you have to wonder about what we have found from our past

you hafta dig and dig  and then only believe a tiny portion of it....



Adviser: Trump Won An NAACP Medal For 'Helping Inner Cities'... No, He Didn't...

POLITICS
No, Donald Trump Did Not Win A Medal From The NAACP
The real story is much, much weirder.
10/23/2016 07:10 pm ET

Christina Wilkie 
National Political Reporter, The Huffington Post
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-naacp_us_580ac881e4b000d0b156e6e2

WASHINGTON — A photograph of Donald Trump, Muhammad Ali and Rosa Parks that the founder of Trump's "diversity coalition" hailed as evidence the Republican nominee won an "NAACP medal" for "helping America's inner cities" was actually taken at an awards ceremony organized by a business associate with an ethnic grievance.

William Fugazy, a politically well-connected businessman who later pleaded guilty to perjury, gave the awards to Trump and 79 other people, most of them white, to protest the awarding of "medals of liberty" to a group of 12 recent immigrants that included a Chinese-born architect, a Costa Rica-born astronaut, a leading expert on the psychology of race, and former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, but no "Irish, Italian, or Polish" people.

Michael Cohen, Trump's longtime attorney, adviser and campaign surrogate, posted the photo on Twitter earlier this week of Trump, Parks and Ali, "receiving NAACP medals for helping America's inner cities. A man for ALL people!"



photo at link
Michael Cohen ? @MichaelCohen212
1989 photo @realDonaldTrump, #RosaParks & #MuhammadAli all receiving #NAACP medals for helping America's inner cities. A man for ALL people!
11:16 AM - 18 Oct 2016 · Manhattan, NY, United States

The NAACP has not awarded any medals to Trump for "helping America's inner cities," the group told HuffPost. Nor have any other civil rights groups, according to Trump's biographers.

Here's the real story. In 1986, as preparations began for the centennial of the Statue of Liberty, a civic committee selected a group of 12 naturalized citizens to receive "medals of liberty" from President Ronald Reagan. The final list, announced that March, included composer Irving Berlin, who emigrated from Russia; Franklin Chang Diaz, an astronaut from Costa Rica; I.M. Pei, an architect born in China; and entertainment legend Bob Hope, who was born in England.

There was an immediate outcry. Fugazy, then Trump's real estate broker and head of the Coalition of Italo-American Associations, was angry that there were no native-born citizens among the 12 liberty medal winners (which was inevitable, since the award was for naturalized citizens) and that the list excluded certain ethnicities, "like the Irish, Italians and Poles."

Fugazy's Coalition of Italo-American Associations helped lead the campaign against the selections. "We think it's an insult to ? on the one hand ? ask for donations to restore the foremost international symbol of freedom for immigrants and ? on the other hand ? to exclude most of them from the Medal of Liberty list," Joseph Martorana, the group's executive director, told the Miami Herald, before claiming that "the ethnic groups excluded account for 76 percent of the nation's population."

Fugazy had plenty of support. New York Mayor Ed Koch, a Democrat, called the selections "idiotic" and announced plans to hand out his own awards.

"It's almost like denying some of the building blocks of the nation. It's an historical betrayal," New York City Council majority leader Peter Vallone told the Herald.

Six of the 12 recipients of the medals, including Berlin, Kissinger, violinist Itzhak Perlman, polio vaccine inventor Albert Sabin, author Elie Wiesel and University of Chicago president Hanna Holborn Gray, were of Jewish descent.



DIANA WALKER VIA GETTY IMAGES
President Ronald Reagan stands with his wife Nancy during the Statue of Liberty's centennial celebration July 4, 1986 in New York City. Bill Fugazy resented the fact that Reagan presented awards to 12 immigrants, none of whom were Italian, Irish or Polish.
"These are shameful concessions to a Hollywood producer who lives in the world of fantasy," Paul O'Dwyer, a former New York City Council president, told the Herald, presumably referring to "Roots" producer David Wolper, also Jewish, who had organized the centennial festivities. "I don't know what some of these people have done for history ? although Kissinger and Bob Hope have certainly done well for themselves," he added. "All in all, it shows an abysmal ignorance of the history of our country."

Some people tried to defend the awards. "The great wave of Irish and Italian immigration took place before the First World War. It is therefore hardly surprising that most Irish Americans and Italian Americans are Americans by birth, not naturalization," historian Arthur Schlesinger Jr., a member of the committee that selected the 12 winners, noted in a letter to The New York Times.

But Schlesinger's letter didn't put the matter to rest. That the committee had included Massachusetts Sen. Ted Kennedy, who was of Irish descent, as well as New York Gov. Mario Cuomo and New Jersey Rep. Peter Rodino, both of Italian descent, didn't seem to absolve the committee, either.

Instead, the controversy continued into the summer. That June, Fugazy created a new organization, the National Ethnic Coalition of Organizations, or NECO, and a new award, the Ellis Island Medal of Honor.

Trump, Ali and Parks were among 80 people honored at NECO's first awards ceremony on Ellis Island on Oct. 27, 1986. Only four of the 80 winners were black.

In the original, uncropped version of the photo that Cohen shared, there are six people: baseball legend Joe DiMaggio, humorist Victor Borge, singer and anti-gay activist Anita Bryant, Ali, Parks and Trump.



YVONNE HEMSEY/GETTY IMAGES
(Left to Right) Joe DiMaggio, Victor Borge, Anita Bryant, Muhammad Ali, Rosa Parks, and Donald Trump pose for a photograph after receiving the Ellis Island Medal of Honor October 27, 1986 in New York City.
Since 1986, more than 2,000 people have been awarded the Ellis Island Medal of Honor, including then-first lady Hillary Clinton and Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.). Officially, the medal criteria are broad and inclusive: Winners should "uphold the ideals and spirit of America," while "maintaining the traditions of their ethnic heritage."

In practice, the winners are mostly white Americans of European descent. NECO maintains a database of past medal honorees, which in many cases cites their "ethnic heritage." Below is McCain's listing, which notes his heritage is "Scottish/Irish."


NATIONAL ETHNIC COALITION OF ORGANIZATIONS
It's not clear precisely why Fugazy selected Trump to receive the medal in its inaugural year, save for their friendship and Trump's success in business. Fugazy died in 2015. Trump's campaign did not respond to questions about the award or about Cohen's tweet.

But Fugazy was working as a broker for Trump in 1986, helping him to purchase two new properties, a 1987 government ethics report revealed. Trump ultimately paid Fugazy more than $500,000 in fees.

In addition to brokering the purchases, Fugazy helped arrange a deal that year between Trump and auto executive Lee Iacocca, one of his closest friends, to buy a condo building in Florida. In the photo below (from left) Iacocca, Fugazy and Trump are attending the 1987 wedding of their pal George Steinbrenner, the owner of the New York Yankees.



RON GALELLA VIA GETTY IMAGES
(L-R) Lee Iacocca, Bill Fugazy and Donald Trump attend Steinbrenner Wedding Ceremony on November 7, 1987 at St. Patrick's Cathedral in New York City. (Photo by Ron Galella, Ltd./WireImage)
Despite his rich and powerful friends, Fugazy was in deep financial trouble in 1986, and declared personal bankruptcy that summer. Prosecutors later alleged that Fugazy lied in bankruptcy filings about who owned one of his companies. He struck a deal to avoid prison by pleading guilty to perjury. President Bill Clinton pardoned him in 2001, just hours before leaving office.

Whatever Fugazy's motive, it would have been difficult for anyone to make a solid case that Trump deserved an award for "helping America's inner cities," in 1986.

At the time, Trump and his father held the dubious honor of having been the defendants in one of the largest-ever housing discrimination lawsuits, a case sparked by a Justice Department civil rights investigation that found the Trumps discriminated against prospective tenants who were black.

The discrimination case was settled with an extensive consent decree. But by the mid-1980s Trump was back in court, this time trying to force poor and elderly tenants from their rent-controlled apartments in one of his buildings. In addition to the lawsuit, Trump shut off the water in the building and refused to make repairs.

As Trump's longtime special counsel, Cohen has been deeply involved in the GOP nominee's largely unsuccessful effort to win support from black and Latino voters, primarily as the founder and co-chair of Trump's minority outreach group, The National Diversity Coalition for Trump. Earlier this year, Cohen arranged for Trump to meet with black religious leaders in New York and then in Detroit, helping secure a small number of high-profile endorsements. And he frequently defends Trump against critics who point to Trump's long history of racist statements as proof that he is indeed racist.

A recent national poll showed Trump winning just 7 percent of black voters.

Editor's note: Donald Trump regularly incites political violence and is a serial liar, rampant xenophobe, racist, misogynist and birther who has repeatedly pledged to ban all Muslims — 1.6 billion members of an entire religion — from entering the U.S.




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i don't have a problem with some of things he proposes.. but i do have a problem with him  as the president of this country..if it was any other repug i would probably be voting for them

[Phedre]

I will always vote to keep the Sovereignty of My  Country.   

[Pimander]

snopes ?   Really?   

Hillary Clinton once threw a Bible at the back of a Secret Service agent's head, part of a pattern of unhinged rage that the now-presumptive Democratic nominee exhibited...

I keep telling you, the Bible is the tool of the oppressor!  

[zorgon]

i don't have a problem with some of things he proposes.. but i do have a problem with him  as the president of this country..if it was any other repug i would probably be voting for them

ZOMG!!! The otter is voting Hillary!!!

[zorgon]

I keep telling you, the Bible is the tool of the oppressor!  

Is that where the term "Bible thumper" came from?

[space otter]

Believe me  there was NO CHOICE