actually being pres was never the goal

[zorgon]

The Otter...
AFTER Hillary takes office

Can't get to the water under that steel barrier

[space otter]

don't be  a tryin to put words in my mouth

[zorgon]

Okay okay So that otter on the platter is actually just cooling off on that steel

[rdunk]

If Hillary wins, the Otters will certainly have it better than we "Citizens" of this United States!! With her in charge, the freedoms we love in this country will continue to be eroded - ie open borders, socialist leaning law making Supreme Court, media subservient to govt., continued weakened military, higher taxes for many to pay for free college and all other new govt programs, anybody, citizen or not,  can vote in elections, and on and on and on and on.............................................!!

Hillary must be defeated, or we will likely never have a country that is free and for the people again!!

The wikileaks emails "openly show" the extent of her and the Democratic left's willingness to do absolutely anything to achieve their leftist/progresive adgenda, legal or otherwise.

The United states of America will simply become another 3rd world country, likely under the rule of Russia or China - and that could happen pretty quickly even now, with the sorry state of our current military!!   

[Pimander]

higher taxes for many to pay for free college

Universal free education?  Sounds like a great idea.  The opposite is college for the elite.

[rdunk]

Sky Otter, it is a pure waste of my time to make reasonable comment on articles from the Huffungton Post. Everyone knows......well most everyone- that they are simply a faction of the far left media, and whatever they publish has to be leavened with that reality. The 2 articles you have posted from Huffington in this OP are obvious examples!!!

Both articles spew trash about Donald Trump! The Branson thing, well that was about a 1 on 1 he supposedly had with Trump. The other article is about Trump and a well publicized event. Irregardless of the reason for the event, Trump is directly ostracized, even as he stands there with a medal around his neck, and in the company with several very notable people. Of course that was only 30 years ago, so why would would Trump want to stand there with Parks, Ali, Joe DiMmagio, Anita Bryant, and Victor Borge - Trump certainly was not running for political office back then!!

I think it very telling.....and funny, that both articles- one released of October 21, and the other released on Oct. 23, have the same spew of DNC trash talk about Trump, with both noted as "an "Editor's note"!!..........

Editor's note: Donald Trump regularly incites political violence and is a serial liar, rampant xenophobe, racist, misogynist and birther who has repeatedly pledged to ban all Muslims — 1.6 billion members of an entire religion — from entering the U.S.

Some are obvious untruths, and the one about the "inciting political violence" is now a laughing matter. It is now openly known that the "incited violence" noted was planned, staged, and conducted by persons sponsored and paid for by Democratic National Committee/representatives!!

[ArMaP]

With her in charge, the freedoms we love in this country will continue to be eroded - ie open borders, socialist leaning law making Supreme Court, media subservient to govt., continued weakened military, higher taxes for many to pay for free college and all other new govt programs, anybody, citizen or not,  can vote in elections, and on and on and on and on.............................................!!

Closed borders, non-socialist leaning law making Supreme Court, strong military and low taxes are freedoms?  Strange freedoms you have...

[Pimander]

Closed borders, non-socialist leaning law making Supreme Court, strong military and low taxes are freedoms?  Strange freedoms you have...

Lack of freedom of movement and militarised government?  Low taxes simply means less help for the poor and more power for the rich - known in the civilised world as inequality.

Taxes are the means by which a government get the resources to help those in need.  A society which does not do that is not civilised.  The reason for that is that is that the money is spent on helping the poor and weakest n society (like the sick).  The rich don't get the money which is why they hate taxes.

[rdunk]

Universal free education?  Sounds like a great idea.  The opposite is college for the elite.

Pimander, I thought you were an intelligent person?? Do you not know......there is no FREE LUNCH?? No, this "free college" would just be significant more tax burden on everyone!!

Now, if we the people actually wanted to provide a free or much cheaper way for a "college level" education, then states could make a way for it to be done at home and taught completely digitally! Each state could on its own determine the specific college level courses to be taught, based upon specific needs within each state.   

[rdunk]

Closed borders, non-socialist leaning law making Supreme Court, strong military and low taxes are freedoms?  Strange freedoms you have...

What a dumb interpretation!!  ArMaP, can you not do better than that??

[Pimander]

Pimander, I thought you were an intelligent person?? Do you not know......there is no FREE LUNCH??

I don't mean to be rude but that comment is just idiotic.  A free education is NOT lunch.  Educated people pay more through income taxes back into the system.  It is an investment in the future of the nation.  It is one that allows the poor to have the same chances as the rich.

Now, if we the people actually wanted to provide a free or much cheaper way for a "college level" education, then states could make a way for it to be done at home and taught completely digitally! Each state could on its own determine the specific college level courses to be taught, based upon specific needs within each state.   

It's idiotic ideas like this that mean the elite will always get the best education.  This is why your politics is the politics of inequality.  Yes I can see why you want a billionaire member of the elite to rule over you.

It is the politics of "you are my chosen people" and the rest of you can rot.  Only God's chosen can enter the heavenly place.  It is the politics of pull up the drawbridge (borders) and of American lives matter but others don't.  It is deplorable!

And ArMaP is bang on the money.  What you called freedoms are not freedoms.  Get a dictionary if you think they are. LOL 

[ArMaP]

What a dumb interpretation!!

That's because you mixed the word "freedoms" with things that are not freedoms. Why did you do that, to make it sound more impressive?

That's why I don't like discussions about politics, many people follow the tricks used by those they consider closer to the their own ideas and do not even see it.

[ArMaP]

It's idiotic ideas like this that mean the elite will always get the best education.  This is why your politics is the politics of inequality.  Yes I can see why you want a billionaire member of the elite to rule over you.

Now you are closer to be called a communist or something like that. 

[Pimander]

Now you are closer to be called a communist or something like that. 

I believe in a mixed economy.  I believe that banks, massive corporations and infrastructure, energy, fuel etc should be owned by everybody.  I also believe that people should be allowed to own their homes or smaller businesses so I am not a communist.  Big businesses should be owned by the employees.  And yes, education and health care should be freely available for all.  And every citizen should have the right to a roof over their head and a job or education.

Any society that allows private interests to dominate is a bad thing.  Any society that does not provide free health care, social care, education and housing to all regardless of wealth is not truly civilised.

I also believe laws should only interfere with personal freedom where it is designed to protect citizens, animals and the environment.  And democracy should be the glue that holds it all together.  If you want to get stoned or have sex with your best friend then don't do it where people have to watch.

Pretty simple.  I'm with Bernie Sanders on most things.

[space otter]

oh rdunk
we are never going to agree ..everything you say against hillary  i can say against trump..stalemant in the opinion department..typical political argument


i have personally worked for and with men like trump and i would never ever willingly  vote for one to run this precious country..
i'm not so much a hillary fan but i am 100% against trump as a person..

here's my personal take on the whole trump thing
i'm sure you have heard of karma even though being southern religious you probably don't
give it any weight

to me trump is karma for the repubs

they blocked every thing obama wanted even when they agreed with it instead of working FOR the country they live in
that is not to say obama was right.........but karma  is  balance..

KARMA
total blockage  = total collapse of their party