I Hear You Knockin' But You Can't Come In.

[petrus4]

My mom would not allow us to use or have a Ouija board in the house..
She said it was like opening the door for bad things to come in....

btw...i won't allow one in my house...nor tarot cards.....

The cards are fine.  I don't think they like me very much, but I have no negative opinion about them.  I agree with you about the Ouija board, though; and I know why they are bad from personal experience.

[Eighthman]

In regard to earth being a school, I have pondered on my life and how it sometimes seems scripted - but in a way I have no control over.

So, I have experienced some remarkable synchronicities -yet far beyond anything I could have planned or engineered.  All that's left is to ask, 'can I change the script?' and 'if this is about learning or evolution, then what am I being prepared for?'.

A contrary thought is, that if thoughts are naked/telepathic in some realm we are bound to enter, then what's the point of developing here?  You think something bad and stop because everyone knows it.  World peace instantly. Why did I suffer previously?

[Irene]

All good questions and frustratingly difficult to answer.

Since becoming something of a believer attached to no specific dogma, my most recent guess is that this life is a test for the next, whatever that may be.

Only one way to find out.   

[zorgon]

My mom would not allow us to use or have a Ouija board in the house..
She said it was like opening the door for bad things to come in....

Your Mom was wise

The thing is it doesn't matter what religion you follow... the end result is the same...

Whether you call it the Astral plane or heaven... doesn't much matter because one thing is 100% CERTAIN

When the day of your death in THIS life comes  you will KNOW.

IF we are naught but food for worms, then it is a moot point

But when we pass and 'wake up" on the other side that moment you will know the truth.  The Christians Muslims and Jews expect that they will be grovelling before an entity they call "God"

Others will wake and look in the mirror of their soul and say "Oh my God... I fvcked up THAT life!  Need to do a do over"

What matters is that you can face what is next and be able to say "I did no evil"  because KARMA is a BITCH   No "devil' needed

[zorgon]

All good questions and frustratingly difficult to answer.

Answers can be found  and in today's world you won't need to climb a mountain in Tibet to ask a Guru (thought that still actually works Hollywood is still using that theme too)

Since becoming something of a believer attached to no specific dogma, my most recent guess is that this life is a test for the next, whatever that may be.

You said your sister was Buddhist?  I am not Buddhist per say though I follow their beliefs. I swing to the Tibetan form (for several reasons) and that is backed up by Rosicrucian teachings.

Their is a teacher... a tibetan Buddhist who took over the bodt of another soul who wanted to leave this earth... he wrote many books.  Many do not believe he is real... But I can assure you his words are  Tuesday Lobsang Rampa   I have all his works online "Feeding the Flame: is one that covers all such questions that are in this thread. I HIGHLY recommend anyone that is seeking answers to read his books... but do so with an open mind  Forget about what the skeptic noise says... read it with your subconscious mind fully alert. THAT is where your answers come from

On a sign over a gate to the Potala in Lhasa Tibet there is a sign  when translated that reads  "A Thousand Monks, A Thousand Religions"  What that means is everyone is on their own path... sometimes our paths cross others, sometimes we share a path for a time... but in the end YOU are on your own... YOU decide what you need to learn... and when you cross over YOU will sit in judgement on yourself, because it was YOU that set this task in life   

I have my answers... I KNOW there is more.  I am in my 8th Incarnation on this planet... I do not care a hoot if anyone believes me  it is simply a statement of fact   John Lear is on his last one on this rock  Sleeper (Lou Baldin confirmed it)  When I first started Pegasus  John took offence to me having the Dalai Lama on one page  This one
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/44cosmic_wisdom/index.html

But as years went by  he once told me  "Ron you are correct about Buddhism"  There is more but that is the gist of it..  I know that came from Sleeper. 

Irene the Crazy Cat Lady    Cats have 'nine lives" is a common saying... what if I told you that that came from Tibet? and that we too have 9 incarnations to complete on this rock before we move on, barring any "do overs"

Only one way to find out.   

No there are several..

One is obviously 'death'  At that point you will KNOW... 

2) but near death experiences can show you... we have several people on Pegasus who have had that. 

3) OBE  Out of body experince.   This happens when dreaming, but you are leaving your body and viewing it from outside. You are effectively travelling the Astral Plane but did not will it to happen

4)  Astral Projection.  This is where you train yourself to project your inner self outside your body.  Takes tarining but anyone can do it You ramain connected to your physical body by a SILVER CHORD

Remote Viewers get close to that, though not quite. We had a remote viewer team (amatuers) once handled by moderator "Old Dude" They went to the moon to have a look... They had the crap scared out of them and quit RV for good. All but one stayed a minute to have a look...

[zorgon]

The complete works of T Lobsang Rampa are here

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/44cosmic_wisdom/02files/Lobsang_Rampa.html

[Irene]

Wow, great post. 

[zorgon]

In regard to earth being a school, I have pondered on my life and how it sometimes seems scripted - but in a way I have no control over.

Well there are a couple reasons here.... Just like ANY school there are rules to follow... You cannot become a brain surgeon by reading just one book in grade 9.

Same with the Esoteric Schools. People vilify them for keeping secrets, but there are reasons for that  1) you need to learn the skills in a certain order 2) you need to be serious  3) you need to learn to CONTROL yourself. So the mystery schools were set up during a time period when Religious Perseccusion could literally burn you at the stake or dip you in boiling oil or worse.  The KNOWLEDGE was NEVER hidden... but you had to know where to look for it...

Say for example we make free to everyone the secret of nuclear bombs  They are really easy to build   Now you have that knowledge but have not learned how deadly the radioctive material is nor have you learned the control NOT to use it.  Same thing with Brain surgery... would you let someone operate on YOUR brain first day out of med school?

Same with the "hidden" knowledge... it can be used for good or evil. Look at Hollywood  most of it there is shown as evil...

And why would a master want to waste his time teaching idiots?  Face it MOST people are not ready for higher knowledge (their time will come) so do not try to save everyone, nor worry that they don't understand you.  You may be labled arrogant but you are the one in the know...

And lastly... YOU are your own master... when in the Astral World... YOU decide where and when you are going to reincarnate  to learn a certain lesson... Just like you on earth would decide to sat take a welding class... so too do you chose your next life...

So that explains why you feel driven in a certain direction, why you feel you have no control... because your inner self is slapping you up side the head to keep you focused on your set task 

So, I have experienced some remarkable synchronicities -yet far beyond anything I could have planned or engineered.  All that's left is to ask, 'can I change the script?' and 'if this is about learning or evolution, then what am I being prepared for?'.

This is not easy to answer in short 

synchronicities:  Since YOU have chosen your path... life will throw things at you to help keep you on path...  You CAN chose to ignore those signs  You CAN change the script at anytime...  I have posted the video "The Secret" several times. Every time I do at least ONE person 'gets it'  I once had a Sensei tell me that if he had but ONE student that really understood what he was teaching, then his life would be complete

I use the Secret daily but I confess  it is not always easy to bannish all negative thoughts and I do procrastinate at times But over all "things happen"  that keep my life in order

what am I being prepared for:  Like any other school  you learn to advance yourself.  What you learn today you take with you to the next level.  What is the top level? I have NO IDEA yet... The earth is basically Kindergarten in the scheme of things.

But look around you in the world  There are people born with skills that most have no hope of mastering...  WHY?  Because these people bring previous training with them...  You DO NOT have memories (consciously) of past lives. There is a very good reason for that... but you can use hypnotic regression to go back before your birth

But say you were a KING last time  and this time you are a homeless beggar in a wheelchair...  If you knew you were a King last time, you would be bitter and not learn your current lesson.  Say you were Hitler last time and are now in that wheelchair paying off your karma    Simple examples but that is the gist of it

True esoteric numerology can help you find some answers... I used to do readings for people but lost too many friends. Seems they were really uncomfortable with how much I could find out about them  even just using generic traits based on their numbers...

People say they are seeking the truth... but in most cases they are scared off easily when you hit the nail on the head

A contrary thought is, that if thoughts are naked/telepathic in some realm we are bound to enter, then what's the point of developing here?  You think something bad and stop because everyone knows it.  World peace instantly. Why did I suffer previously?

That one is simple... This is also the reason I am against TAP... Abundance handed out freely so no one has to work for it will breed apathy, lazyness and sloth... there will be no incentive to learn or advance.  In THEORY freeing up your time from work should give you time to pursue higher goals, but history has shown that human nature ALWAYS defaults to sloth and apathy.

When you 'suffer'  the message gets burned into your subconscious and it stick with you. Let me give you a personal example

I have very few recollections about our home in Germany  I was 7 when we moved to Canada... but I have ONE memory   I was riding a bike on a gravel road... went over a hill to a friends house. When I returned they had oiled that road and I came over that hill heading home and slid. Scraped my knee (looked like I had ripped it open blood and oil and dirt, still have the scar)  But from that incident I have a 100% clear picture in my mind of the road, the front of the house with the cherry tree. I do not recall anything else about that house but that imgae is burned in forever

Hard knocks, pain and suffering teach very well


Sure  you can 'drop out'  and mess up this life like many do.... your choice. Many do that because they have NO belief in things to come Look at those old evil NWO guys  They must have no belief because they are so afraid of the end

Just remember this KARMA is real. The unverse strives for balance.  You cannot escape it for long



It has taken me several lifetimes to get where I am today  I cannot condense all that into a few posts

[zorgon]

Many there are who pass beyond the Earth to the next life with the firm, absolutely unbreakable conviction that their own particular religion is the only one which can exist. These poor wretches are in much the same position because the helpers on the Other Side know quite well that they cannot help the newcomer if their mere appearance shatters a lifelong belief, so, let us suppose a person is a very strong Catholic believing in angels and devils and all the rest of that pantomime. (insert picture)

Then, when they get to the Other Side they do indeed see the Pearly Gates, they see an old fellow with a beard and a whacking great ledger in which they think all the sins are being recorded.

Everything is done to put on the sort of show that the good, ignorant Catholic wants to see. He sees angels with flapping wings, he sees people sitting on clouds playing harps, and for a time he is quite satisfied thinking he has reached Heaven. But gradually it dawns on him that all this doesn't ring true, the people do not fly in the right rhythm for beating wings, etc., etc. Gradually it dawns on the new-comer that all this is a stage show and he begins to wonder what is behind it all, what is behind the drapes and the set piece, what are things really like, and just as soon as he begins to think that way he begins to see 'cracks' in the facade of the Heavenly Crowd. Soon there comes a time when he cannot stick the pantomime any longer and he cries out for enlightenment.

Quickly the angels with their flapping wings fade away, quickly the harpists sitting in their nightshirts on a cloud beat it, quickly highly trained, highly experienced helpers show the newly awakened new-comer the reality instead of the illusion, and the reality is far greater than the illusion ever could be. It is a sad fact that so many people see a few pictures in the Bible - and they take them for gospel. Well, book illustrators ~e employed to illustrate the Bible as well, remember.

No matter what religion it is, if there are adherents (tilhengere) who believe unswervingly in the legends and, let us say, fantasies, of that religion, then that is what they see when they leave the Earth and enter the astral plane.

When the newcomer can realize the nature of the world he is in, then he can proceed further. He goes to the Hall of Memories and there, alone; he enters a room and he sees the whole of his life, everything he has done, everything he has tried to do, and everything he wanted to do. He sees every-thing that happened to him, and everything that he thought while upon the Earth, and he, and he alone, can make a judgement of whether his life was a success or a failure.

He, and he alone, can decide whether he will 'go back to college' and start the Course all over again in the hope of passing successfully next time.

There is no mother or father or best friend to stand by and take the blame for anything that he has done wrongly, he is there alone, entirely alone, more alone than he has been since he stood in that place before, last time. And he judges himself.

No devils, no Satan waiting with twitching tail and fiery breath, nobody is going to jab pitchforks into him, and as for all the flames, well, they don't even use such things for central heating!

Most people emerge from the Hall of Memories considerably shaken and remarkably glad of the help and sympathy which their helpers, waiting outside, offer.

[The Seeker]

but near death experiences can show you... we have several people on Pegasus who have had that.

I am one of the walking dead here for I died on May 28th,1980 and was legally dead for 33 minutes; I have a very long thread on it over at spookz and one here...
Z is right, for Karma can be a bitch; the scales must balance.

We chose the major list of experiences we wish to have during each life cycle here; when you cross the veil you do undergo a panoramic life review, but you also experience anything you have done to anyone, from their point of view and you are the judge of your accomplishments and actions.

Religion is a tool of man created by man to give a measure of control over his fellow man; you Will understand that statement when you cross over...

We do create our own reality as we walk through this experience, within the framework and parameters we chose before starting the journey; the ultimate goal is to experience all things...
and there is a reset button, functions like a reset button; you decide to commit suicide you are going to come straight back and have the same experiences again and again until you make it past using the reset...

Seeker

[The Seeker]

My mom would not allow us to use or have a Ouija board in the house..
She said it was like opening the door for bad things to come in....

btw...i won't allow one in my house...nor tarot cards.....

Your mother was wise, sarge; quija board use opens a portal to let anything come to you...
Tarot cards are a different matter, for there is no opening for outside influence; when the questioner shuffles and then selects their 10 cards they are using only theirself and what they naturally have; all the reader does is interpret the cards and their relevance in each of the ten positions...The Tarot is Quabbilistic in nature, not of the dark side...


Seeker

[Eighthman]

What you describe sounds changed very little from what the Egyptians taught in the time of the Pharaohs.  Your heart gets weighed and you deny doing anything wrong - or something like that.

A fundamental objection to these 'Buddhist -ey' ideas I can't overcome is that such a system would seem to generate psychopaths.  If you have no guilt, then what? Why 'go back' to work things out? 

My fundamentalist faith failed in particular when it fully dawned on me that the universe is simply not moral - as one would expect to be, if Creationism was true.  Lions, tigers, alligators, mosquitoes, nature red in tooth and claw is the rule - how can karma be anything beyond individual feelings or developed sympathies?  I understand some Buddhists wonder about this especially in relation to some Buddhist saints - who actually were less than saintly.

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

Your mother was wise, sarge; quija board use opens a portal to let anything come to you...
Tarot cards are a different matter, for there is no opening for outside influence; when the questioner shuffles and then selects their 10 cards they are using only theirself and what they naturally have; all the reader does is interpret the cards and their relevance in each of the ten positions...The Tarot is Quabbilistic in nature, not of the dark side...


Seeker

You open yourself to others interpretation of random cards and hence manipulate your decisions.
Nothing can be more evil.

Rock

[The Seeker]

You open yourself to others interpretation of random cards and hence manipulate your decisions.
Nothing can be more evil.

Rock

Not exactly; My set has a book that explains what each card means; the pattern they are laid out in is known as the tree of life; it is up to you to draw your own meanings from my telling the meaning of each card and make your own decisions; I don't ask what you asked the cards

I cannot see how that could be the epitomy of evil as you have stated, but your have free will to make your own decision and believe what you so choose...

I have been reading cards for 25 years and have yet had any to voice doubts or complaints; on the contrary, my circle of friends request readings frequenty...

and as already stated the Tarot comes from the Quabballah, reputed to be the Creator's gift to man to enable anyone that wishes to evolve spiritually and is the basis for Judiasm...


Seeker

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

I understand Seeker,  but your Comment, "all the reader does is interpret the cards and their relevance in each of the ten positions.." leads me to believe that your open to interpretation. Which is not what I want.