I Hear You Knockin' But You Can't Come In.

[Just Looking]

Have a look for this chaps:-  Robert Schwartz, author of  "Your Soul's Plan and Your Soul's Gift"

and also Michael Newton:- http://newtoninstitute.org/about-tni/dr-michael-newton/

[astr0144]

Interesting  Thread with some thought provoking points...

Have the American or Russian Astronauts ever indicated such knocking sounds I wonder ?  It seems to suggest just China's Astronauts...One wonders if its to do with their Space ships engineering ! 

I did happens to watch an Ancient Aliens Program last night however that did refer to strange things being seen outside one of the windows as if they witnessed some beings just outside the Spaceship !...so who knows !



see video below Ancient Aliens ...The  NASA Connection.

Astronauts in space spooked by mysterious knocking sound that no one can explain.

One astronaut said the unexplained noises left him feeling very nervous and he couldn't see anything out of the ordinary when he looked into the vast emptiness of space

China's first astronaut says he heard mysterious knocks during his first flight in space - but no one has been able to explain the cause of them.

Astronaut Yang Liwei said the strange noises left him feeling very nervous and he looked out into the vast emptiness of space but couldn't see anything out of the ordinary.

Mr Yang, now a major general in China's Air Force, said it sounded like someone was knocking the body of the spaceship, comparing the noise to that of a hammer hitting an iron bucket.

The 51-year-old's unexplained experience has raised all kinds of theories, including aliens , and he said he has never heard the sound again since returning to earth.

Chinese astronaut Yang Liwei sits in the module of Shenzhen 5 spaceship
Chinese astronaut Yang Liwei sits in the module of his spaceship during his flight in 2003 (Photo: China.org.cn)
In 2003 Mr Yang became the first person sent into space by the Chinese space programme, orbiting earth several times during a 21-hour flight.

He recalled the experience in a recent interview, telling Chinese media the mysterious knocking sounds occurred without rhyme or reason.

He said: "A non-causal situation I have met in space is a knock that appeared from time to time.

China's first astronaut Yang Liwei
Mr Yang says the cause of the strange noises has never been established
"It neither came from outside nor inside the spaceship, but sounded like someone is knocking the body of the spaceship just as knocking an iron bucket with a wooden hammer.

Mr Yang revealed he was very nervous when he heard the sounds and moved close to the spaceship's porthole to investigate the cause.


When he returned to earth he explained the noises to officials with the space programme and tried to imitate it with instruments.

The sound has also been heard by Chinese astronauts who have since been blasted into space.

Mr Yang said: "Before entering space I have told them that the sound is a normal phenomenon, so there is no need to worry."

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/astronauts-space-spooked-mysterious-knocking-9357985

What, no doorbell?  Or Welcome Mat?  First Contact doesn't seem very inviting.

[astr0144]

Similar things have been discussed before on various threads,

Matrix traveller's threads for eg He made claims that we are set as a Program...but with can make our decisions that can create the outcome....

But I also wonder are we destined to what actually happens to us...and I do think some of us have little control to alter our destiny...where as others seem to have some sort of more power to alter their's....

If we are here to learn and do come back time and time again...One wonders WHY....WHO or WHAT determines it ? IF what ever it is that controls us or our destiny ...if they wanted perfect beings.. then why not make us that way ?

Then I read that we may have to come back for 26,000 years if we mess up on some event within the next 3 months....

What the hell is it all about !...

We may try to live on in the hope that we may find out, but it seems very unlikely in this lifetime !

In regard to earth being a school, I have pondered on my life and how it sometimes seems scripted - but in a way I have no control over.

So, I have experienced some remarkable synchronicities -yet far beyond anything I could have planned or engineered.  All that's left is to ask, 'can I change the script?' and 'if this is about learning or evolution, then what am I being prepared for?'.

A contrary thought is, that if thoughts are naked/telepathic in some realm we are bound to enter, then what's the point of developing here?  You think something bad and stop because everyone knows it.  World peace instantly. Why did I suffer previously?

[astr0144]

Ouija board, Tarrot Cards, and Black Magic ?
witchcraft.. and the occult ?

Are they for real as in the way that we are led to believe in the Movies or on TV Programs  or are they just mystical suggestions that may put fear into us ?

The longer i live the more I wonder and have read more about such things in the last 12 months...that at times makes one wonder is it just the negative sides to our Lives...is it the Ying V Yang ? Lightness and darkness ? Positive V Negative ?

There does seem a lot of Evil in the World at all levels...but I think there is more goodness than evil ? but again the older we get the more indepth we may delve into things and raise more concerns..
Also I am sure that those with High Intellect (A smaller % of the Population)  will find even more issues compared to the average person...


I have followed some stories of people claiming that they have been targeted by Black Magicians and curses...

I have had my own experiences with the occult and wondered have I been cursed ?

Are there ways to counter it ?

Or is there another World of Dark magic that any of us could enter if we wanted to and know how to go about it ?

or does our consciousness maybe determine our control over it ?

Other outside forces however may prevent our control...

Or are the Powers that be using some form of Mass Mind Control over us to just control us by Fear...

I suspect just having watched TV for some years is able to do that to people who can relate to many of the fearful situations that we watch & observe... without even having to send some sort of Electro magnetic or low frequency sound waves into our brains...
that could control our brain or thought patterns...

They may use such Targeted Waves to certain people who may not have been as much effected by the Media fear methods..

There is also quite a lot more people however who now claim to have brain or body implants......

so I wonder on how big a scale that could be on ?

As a Child upto my early Teenager years...I used to have fear...always being afraid of certain people...or bigger stronger people...

then I seemed to loose it for a few years...maybe almost totally !... when Martial Arts became on the Scene !...as it taught how the smaller weaker people could level with the bigger at least in some physical ways...if you were able to train and develop...

and my memories of that really were like freedom...

But then some situation occurred that took me on a journey of becoming more and more aware of fear...to almost paranoia ..
Completely the opposite as I once was..

but Martial Arts at the Physical level did not teach you how to deal with the Intellect and Psychological or certain  mental situations...
of which seems to vary so much in humans...on a very wide scale..

so dealing with the mental was a totally different ball game ..
and as I have have got older my conclusion so far or my interpretation is that it seems that somethings you cannot overcome...suggesting that you either have such abilities or you don't...and it maybe ones brain or mind is armed or not with what it takes...and I don't think its all just based upon experience..

often many things seem down to accuracy and mental speed in ones thought processes...

but that may just be when dealing in normal everyday life...with various levels of peoples intellects..

Not dealing with any evil forces that may also exist..or that have been created by such people as certain Controllers in our world...
such as " The Powers that be " or Elite...or dictators..or large mass groups / gangs....or even small groups..

they become beyond ones ability to overcome ones fear for the average person.... 

In such cases, I wonder how we all have not all had complete nervous / mental breakdowns !

We spend a lot of thought energy and effort trying to avoid many a situation..and are unable to deal with many things that maybe at one time we could have before we became more aware of such fears..

Is it best to be taught by our parents how to avoid many such concerning issues or certain things early in ones life or is it maybe better to let us lean from our experiences as we go along..

This no doubts varies on our backgrounds and fortunes..

but no doubt many a thing even our parents never was aware about !

[The Seeker]

I understand Seeker,  but your Comment, "all the reader does is interpret the cards and their relevance in each of the ten positions.." leads me to believe that your open to interpretation. Which is not what I want.

All well and good, free choice and free will; but by the same analogy listening to anybody about anything, from a teacher in school to a doctor practicing medicine must therefore be in the same category, since you are listening to their interpretation and being influenced by what you are hearing...

we all must walk our own path and make our own choices; but a wise man gathers information and seeks advice and answers lest he walks blindly off the cliff...

Seeker 

[ArMaP]

Your mother was wise, sarge; quija board use opens a portal to let anything come to you...

Does the ouija board does that by itself or only when used?

[The Seeker]

Does the ouija board does that by itself or only when used?

only when used, Armap; the best thing is to not have one period and my suggestion to anyone that has one is to burn it, for once it has been used it is charged with energy and active, like a capacitor or condenser in an electrical circuit...

Seeker

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

All well and good, free choice and free will; but by the same analogy listening to anybody about anything, from a teacher in school to a doctor practicing medicine must therefore be in the same category, since you are listening to their interpretation and being influenced by what you are hearing...

we all must walk our own path and make our own choices; but a wise man gathers information and seeks advice and answers lest he walks blindly off the cliff...

Seeker

All well and true, Seeker. But trusting to the luck of the draw is not my cup of tea. I'd rather stack the deck...lololol

Rock

[The Seeker]

Mr Yang revealed he was very nervous when he heard the sounds and moved close to the spaceship's porthole to investigate the cause.


When he returned to earth he explained the noises to officials with the space programme and tried to imitate it with instruments.

The sound has also been heard by Chinese astronauts who have since been blasted into space.

Mr Yang said: "Before entering space I have told them that the sound is a normal phenomenon, so there is no need to worry."

After reading the above statement that it has occurred on more than one flight it suggests that this phenomena is probably due to some aspect of the chinese built space capsule rather than an outsider screwing with them...perhaps due to expansion and contraction as the capsule travelled from sunlight into the earth's shadow...

Seeker

[petrus4]

Does the ouija board does that by itself or only when used?

My experience suggests that when it is used in the same place repeatedly over a long period of time, it wears a localised hole in the partition that seperates physical reality and the realm of the dead.  The problem with said hole is that is also general and uncontrolled; anything that wants to can come through.

[zorgon]

Does the ouija board does that by itself or only when used?

Only when used...

Most people that dabble in occult things are just playing around, may not even believe it really.

Take the Crystal healers... we get many at the gem shows that are what we call 'heally feelies'  These people run their hands through a box of tumbled rocks and can "feel" the energy

What they don't seem to grasp is that tumbled rocks have no crystal structure to channel any real energy

Take a Ruby Crystal for example... when we 'channel' light through it the light is amplified and becomes a LASER  But the caveat here is that we need MAN MADE crytals that are pure in order to get good results. Same as the quartz crystal that is the clock in your computer.

Crystals are inert. It is only when you channel energy through it that they do any kind of work

Same thing with occult items... they are focusing tools only, like a lens that you can focus the sun's rays with and start a fire

I know one case years ago when I was starting all my research, of someone who gazed into a crystal ball....  he fell in as it were...  he did not learn the controls and safety warnings so literally lost his mind...

You can be a skeptic, but any simple research will show that suck things do indeed exist... like poltergeist activity... which is generally uncontrolled energy released by a child  before they have learned that they can't do those things

Have an old book of spells on the bookshelf is cool... not until you invoke those spells will the trouble start.

[zorgon]

My experience suggests that when it is used in the same place repeatedly over a long period of time, it wears a localised hole in the partition that seperates physical reality and the realm of the dead.  The problem with said hole is that is also general and uncontrolled; anything that wants to can come through.

There are many Hollywood shows on "Haunted Artifacts" the latest Warehouse 13 is pretty good.  It seems that over time energy can get attached to objects That is how some psychic are able to read things from them.

I was offered one of those once back in Toronto... An antique dealer had a ring claimed to be from King Tut's tomb... She only wanted 50.00 for it but she did say the last 4 owners died of mysterious causes... I passed But did get a nice copy of the Babylon financial secrets tablets

[The Seeker]

There are many Hollywood shows on "Haunted Artifacts" the latest Warehouse 13 is pretty good.  It seems that over time energy can get attached to objects That is how some psychic are able to read things from them.

Energy can and does get fixed to the energy of objects and people also, can be sensed...the great tragic battlefields of the Civil War such as Gettysburg have the emotional energy of the battle attached to the physical location and surroundings and is easily felt even today...

when Alderon was destroyed by the death star Obi-wan felt the surge of energy thru the force; just a movie scene but more truth lies therein than fiction, for spikes of emotional energy do effect the energy fields around them; repeated energy spikes at the same location over time leave a definite signature that can be felt at places like Auschwitz...

Seeker

[lolos]

Energy can and does get fixed to the energy of objects and people also, can be sensed...the great tragic battlefields of the Civil War such as Gettysburg have the emotional energy of the battle attached to the physical location and surroundings and is easily felt even today...

when Alderon was destroyed by the death star Obi-wan felt the surge of energy thru the force; just a movie scene but more truth lies therein than fiction, for spikes of emotional energy do effect the energy fields around them; repeated energy spikes at the same location over time leave a definite signature that can be felt at places like Auschwitz...

Seeker

On a serious note regarding calling upon names to "banish" stuff.
Whatever works for you, from personal and others experiences it is a matter of firm command.
If you truly believe that saying "green table" will work, it will.

Now on the Chinese astronaut , is it me or this man looks absolutely defeated to his core?

[The Seeker]

On a serious note regarding calling upon names to "banish" stuff.
Whatever works for you, from personal and others experiences it is a matter of firm command.
If you truly believe that saying "green table" will work, it will.

It is a matter of belief and faith in it working; as Yoda sez "Do or do not, there is no try"

Now on the Chinese astronaut , is it me or this man looks absolutely defeated to his core?

Does appear to have been under a lot of stress and about done...

wouldn't you be if you were the first Chinese guinea pig, er, astronut?




Seeker