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Started by petrus4, December 16, 2016, 12:22:05 PM

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zorgon

Quote from: ArMaP on December 20, 2016, 01:35:13 AM
Do you think that nothing will be done about it?

Well i HOPE something is done about it before it becomes a job for vigilantis like the Old West...  but at the moment I am not seeing a lot done about it at government level...

Though I suppose Britain leaving the EU may be 'something' :D

micjer

Then there is this kind of thing going on....

There is two parts to this.....

One is the act of these idiots, and then there is the coverup by police.  They are more upset that the video got out than the act itself it seems.



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Phedre


I would say most of the population has still got their  head buried somewhere south of "reason". In my opinion, ignorance of the religious concepts , the "nasty" bits of Islam is just not widely known.

Geert Wilder of the Netherlands was just convicted of "Hate" crimes because he tried to ring a warning bell to those who have not a clue of what is happening. People get all upset and think one is painting ALL Muslims as terrorists, which of course is NOT true, but people seem to have selective hearing and understanding . It only takes a few to turn our lives into a "crap shoot", every time you go out of the house. Instead of everyone getting together and figuring out how to vet these refugees, to make it safer for all. Instead, I see actions that make the idea of self and family protection ridiculed beyond the pale.

Apparently, the age of Reason, goes down the toilet, if it interferes with Our Look Good. ? ::)



ArMaP

Quote from: Eighthman on December 20, 2016, 02:17:20 AM
occurs in many countries?
Yes.

Quotehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing

Note how it dominantly involves Muslims......in many countries.  They seem to have a near monopoly on it.
I suppose you didn't see this:
QuoteWidney Brown, the advocacy director of Human Rights Watch, said that the practice "goes across cultures and across religions".[74]

Resolution 1327 (2003) of the Council of Europe states that:[75]

"The Assembly notes that whilst so-called 'honour crimes' emanate from cultural and not religious roots and are perpetrated worldwide (mainly in patriarchal societies or communities), the majority of reported cases in Europe have been amongst Muslim or migrant Muslim communities (although Islam itself does not support the death penalty for honour-related misconduct)."
Killing one's wife or sister for tarnishing her honor or that of her family has not received approval from any Islamic scholar of any note, in either medieval or modern era.[76] Many Muslim commentators, and organizations condemn honor killings as an un-Islamic cultural practice.[77] Tahira Shaid Khan, a professor of women's issues at Aga Khan University, says that there is nothing in the Qur'an that permits or sanctions honor killings.[78] Khan instead blames it on attitudes (across different classes, ethnic, and religious groups) that view women as property with no rights of their own as the motivation for honor killings.[78] Salafi scholar Muhammad Al-Munajjid asserts that the punishment of any crime is reserved for the Islamic ruler only.[79] Ali Gomaa, Egypt's ex-Grand Mufti, has also spoken out forcefully against honor killings.[77]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing#Religion

Or this:
QuoteFrance traditionally provided for leniency in regard to honor crimes, particularly against women who had committed adultery. The Napoleonic Code of 1804, established under Napoleon Bonaparte, is one of the origins of the legal leniency in regard to adultery-related killings in a variety of legal systems in several countries around the world. Under this code, a man who killed his wife whom he caught in the act of adultery could not be charged with premeditated murder – although he could be charged with other lesser offenses. This defense was available only for a husband, not for a wife. The Napoleonic Code has been very influential, and many countries, inspired by it, provided for lesser penalties or even acquittal for such crimes. This can be seen in the criminal codes of many former French colonies.[100][101]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing#France

Or this:
QuoteSimilar to other Southern/Mediterranean European areas, "honor" was traditionally important in Italy. Indeed, until 1981, the Criminal Code provided for mitigating circumstances for such killings; until 1981 the law read: Art. 587: He who causes the death of a spouse, daughter, or sister upon discovering her in illegitimate carnal relations and in the heat of passion caused by the offence to his honour or that of his family will be sentenced to three to seven years. The same sentence shall apply to whom, in the above circumstances, causes the death of the person involved in illegitimate carnal relations with his spouse, daughter, or sister.[107][108] Traditionally, honor crimes used to be more prevalent in Southern Italy.[83][109]

In 1546, Isabella di Morra, a young poet from Valsinni, Matera, was stabbed to death by her brothers for a suspected affair with a married nobleman, whom they also murdered.[110]

In 2006, 20-year-old Hina Saleem, a Pakistani woman who lived in Brescia, Italy, was murdered by her father who claimed he was "saving the family's honour". She had refused an arranged marriage, and was living with her Italian boyfriend.[111][112]

In 2009, in Pordenone, Italy, Sanaa Dafani, an 18-year-old girl of Moroccan origin, was murdered by her father because she had a relationship with an Italian man.[113][114]

In 2011, in Cerignola, Italy, a man stabbed his brother 19 times because his homosexuality was a "dishonour to the family".[115]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing#Italy

Or this:
QuoteThroughout the 20th century, husbands have used in court cases the "legitimate defense of their honor" (legitima defesa da honra) as justification for adultery-related killings. Although this defense was not explicitly stipulated in the 20th century Criminal Code, it has been successfully pleaded by lawyers throughout the 20th century, in particular in the interior of the country, though less so in the coastal big cities. In 1991 Brazil's Supreme Court explicitly rejected the "honor defense" as having no basis in Brazilian law.[248][249][250]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing#Brazil

Or this:
QuoteThe view that violence can be justified in the name of honor and shame exists traditionally in Latin American societies, and machismo is often described as a code of honor. While some ideas originate in the Spanish colonial culture, others predate it: in the early history of Peru, the laws of the Incas allowed husbands to starve their wives to death if they committed adultery, while Aztec laws during early Mexico stipulated stoning or strangulation as punishment for female adultery.[266]

Until a few decades ago, the marriage of a girl or woman to the man who had raped her was considered a "solution" to the incident in order to restore the 'honor'. Indeed, although laws that exonerate the perpetrator of rape if he marries his victim after the rape are often associated with the Middle East, such laws were very common around the world until the second half of the 20th century, and as late as 1997, 14 Latin American countries had such laws,[267] although most of these Latin American countries have now abolished them. Such laws were ended in Mexico in 1991,[268] El Salvador in 1996,[269] Colombia in 1997, Peru in 1999,[268] Chile in 1999,[270][271] Brazil in 2005,[272][273] Uruguay in 2005,[274] Guatemala in 2006,[275] Costa Rica in 2007,[276] Panama in 2008,[277] Nicaragua in 2008,[278] Argentina in 2012,[279] and Ecuador in 2014.[280]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing#Latin_America

The fact is that honour killings is not a religious custom, it's a cultural custom mostly from the countries around the Mediterranean, Portugal included, and the are between the Mediterranean and (including) India, that I forgot to include in my list above.

ArMaP

#94
Quote from: zorgon on December 20, 2016, 08:34:36 AM
Though I suppose Britain leaving the EU may be 'something' :D
Yes, it will make it more difficult for people from the UK to invade Europe.  :P

Phedre



I saw the Headline (below) and something became a bit clearer to me. Germany as well as the other countries that are over run with refugees including the radical jihadists, we don't know how many in the mix. And the fear of a public that has had enough and starts striking back. I believe that would be called a Civil War, in any language . I purpose that the Heads of State in the afflicted countries, know that they have already lost control, as they have no resources to stop the inevitable .  People so radically different in culture , religion all being cooped up together in small spaces, countries, seems to be a recipe
For trouble in it's self.

It is my understanding(I know someone will correct me if I'm wrong), That the police in affected countries are not, as many as needed, not equipped with training, guns, etc. And have no armies of there own, for protection. The balance is precarious at best. I will leave it at that, for now.



Berlin Attack Will 'Radicalise the German Public', Says Merkel Ally

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/12/20/berlin-attack-will-radicalise-german-public-says-merkel-ally/


ArMaP

Quote from: Phedre on December 20, 2016, 07:05:23 PM
Berlin Attack Will 'Radicalise the German Public', Says Merkel Ally
Maybe that was the idea.

zorgon

Quote from: ArMaP on December 20, 2016, 08:28:10 PM
Maybe that was the idea.

Yes that seems to be what is happening  Same here in the US... the questions is

WHY?

What possible motivation would the leaders have to deliberately bring this situation about?

Eighthman

Yes, I read over the Wiki on honor killings and passed over the usual politically correct bull shit asserted wherein a shill tries to say that such killings are broadly distributed but then overflows with references to Muslim nations or people.  Also, using old examples from nominally Christian areas while it thrives amidst Islam.

I thought this might be obvious but apparently not. My bad....

ArMaP

Quote from: Eighthman on December 20, 2016, 09:41:09 PM
Yes, I read over the Wiki on honor killings and passed over the usual politically correct bull poop asserted wherein a shill tries to say that such killings are broadly distributed but then overflows with references to Muslim nations or people.  Also, using old examples from nominally Christian areas while it thrives amidst Islam.
So, when it doesn't suit your opinion it was written by a shill. OK.  ::)

The fact is that I live in a country where this type of thing is still relatively common, although killings are rare, so I know what I'm talking about. Most honour killings in Portugal happen in Gipsy's communities, and, in case you're wondering, they are all Christians.

Even if today the cases are fewer than before in European countries (thankfully) that doesn't change the fact that they were common and not related to religion.

ArMaP

Quote from: zorgon on December 20, 2016, 09:19:52 PM
What possible motivation would the leaders have to deliberately bring this situation about?
Yes, it looks like someone is creating division among the people, with "hot topics" like religion and politics used as triggers to make people fight against each other with more and more violence, even if only with words.

Eighthman

"killings are rare"  , 'were common".  Your words....... and my point.

Phedre

Quote from: zorgon on December 20, 2016, 09:19:52 PM
Yes that seems to be what is happening  Same here in the US... the questions is

WHY?

What possible motivation would the leaders have to deliberately bring this situation about?



Maybe a touch of Soros in the mix ?!?

The Seeker

Quote from: zorgon on December 20, 2016, 09:19:52 PM
Yes that seems to be what is happening  Same here in the US... the questions is

WHY?

What possible motivation would the leaders have to deliberately bring this situation about?
Go back to my statement about the last 50 years in America; look at the last 60 in England, Germany, et al; the last of the people that lived during and survived WW2 are all but gone, and each generation since then has actually been riding the crest of the wave of change as civilization has grown and improved, seen tremendous leaps in technology, and a population explosion that is outstripping the ability to feed them all; if not for the food production of the American mid west food would be a bigger issue than it already is.

Considering the politically correct and ultra liberal agenda for the last decades it points towards a progressive march towards anarchy and ultimately a one world government after the destruction of the current system of governance and quite possibly a large reduction in the world's population.

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petrus4

Quote from: the seeker on December 21, 2016, 03:25:22 AM
Considering the politically correct and ultra liberal agenda for the last decades it points towards a progressive march towards anarchy

Seeker, "anarchy," (an archos; "without rulers") does not and can not exist.  The closest to it that is possible, is the sort of warlordism that existed in Afghanistan prior to the American invasion; although even that wasn't complete warlordism, because you had the Taliban, which essentially means that the country was ruled by a terrorist organisation.  You might say that that was a bad thing, but my point is that it was still a government.  A truly rulerless scenario will never be permitted to exist for more than 24 hours at the most; the psychopaths will always re-assert control.

I also do not believe in the rule of law for its' own sake, if said law is used as a weapon against the majority of the people, in the hands of a psychopathic minority.  That is the scenario that you currently have in America, and it is the scenario which a small group of people are currently working very hard to create in Europe.

Law by itself isn't good enough.  We need law that everyone can be held accountable to; not just those who have sufficient money and connections that they can avoid being brought to justice for their crimes.  We have plenty of law on the books already, yet at the moment it only applies to certain groups, and there are always people who can use technicalities to get around it.  That is actually one of the serious problems that too much law can cause.
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