I think this guy is really on to something here -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJcp13hAO3U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxFXsoqbfrk
Mr. Smith has a nice theory there. I was wondering how he address the buoyancy portion of the transport. Animal skins and reed mats can certainly provide buoyancy, but they leak, and there has to be a method of restoring lost buoyancy to the system.
Additionally the concept of Murphy's law had to exist in ancient Egypt. What were the contingency plans for removing blocks that sink in the worst possible place? A jammed block in the riser tube up the side of the structure would create a work stoppage until it was removed. Why are there no abandoned blocks along the transport route that were damaged or unrecoverable after an accident?
That seems very clever Impressive idea / suggestion A 51...
Maybe a great new theory !
very thought provoking...and clever design, engineering and ingenuity ...
Maybe An alternative to Anti gravity using buoyancy !
A great way to use the Nile waters and use of built canals / water channels...ad the creation of clever Buoyancy lift shafts, lock type gates and spaces / channels...
Other than use of Animal skins and reeds.. I am not sure what else they may have used or created as buoyancy aids..
but if they had other suitable materials.. you would think thats could mass produce them.
Its saves on a LOT of the Physical lifting effort...
What is the Science the Buoyancy....I wonder..
In the use of water H20 in a liquid form...
H20 has 3 main states... Solid as Ice... Liquid as water... gas as air... where the molecules / atomic particles alter due to energy, temperature and pressure... the more energy they have on them (or increase in temperature relative to the pressure on them)... the further apart the particles will be..or space apart. hence... Cold temps create Solids as Ice (where cooler temperatures make particles less active and they remain closer together and dont space apart ) and as temp increases particles space out more due to energy i/ temperature ncrease that makes them become liquid form.... and further temperature increases... makes the particles space apart further due to more added energy where they then become as a gas state..
Liquids in the case of water in this eg is within the boundary of the Tube or channels...
In ref to Water H20 being a Liquid... its within a angled sloped gradient type Round or square type area tube that is submerged in a tank...and the use of gates/ locks. that allows to lift heavy mass like objects to defy gravity !
Shame we cannot do that with it in the gaseous state also.. ie to lift similar thru air !
Sorry if its bit of topic or AG related..
Maybe there is something in that to use like A.G ... or maybe a balloon sort of acts in such a way.. if the gas inside is lighter in weight or less dense than the surrounding air outside around it... the gas inside has the boundary of the balloon... but the ballon itself is free to go in more or wider directions. and not to flow in a type of directed channel or tube.
where as water in a tube / channel is refined more within its boundary..
what happens when a balloon rises so high it leaves the atmosphere containing air particles.. (if thats possible)
What happens to such a balloon if it was put in a wider tube that was in a vacuum.... Would it still rise ? or do the lack of air particles inside the vacuum tube ....prevent a balloon being able to lift or push against lack of air particles.
I think that does tend to be th case.. ie due to no air particles ... it cannot push against anything..
and therefore is not real antigravity... as I seem to recall reading similar egs in posts that discussed A.G..
but in theory... it allows something to rise a long way up within the Earths atmosphere..
By sound. Like some monks do, raise things up by sound vibration; that's what I thought anyway.
Quote from: astr0144 on April 26, 2018, 01:41:04 PM
Shame we cannot do that with it in the gaseous state also.. ie to lift similar thru air !
We can, the principle is the same.
QuoteMaybe there is something in that to use like A.G ... or maybe a balloon sort of acts in such a way.. if the gas inside is lighter in weight or less dense than the surrounding air outside around it... the gas inside has the boundary of the balloon... but the ballon itself is free to go in more or wider directions. and not to flow in a type of directed channel or tube.
It's exactly like that, whenever the weight of an object is less than the weight of the volume it occupies it goes up, if it's the same it stays floating and if it's more it falls.
If you have a closed box that has a volume of one cubic metre and weighs less than a cubic metre of air then the box floats. When it reaches an altitude at which a cubic metre of air weighs the same as the box then it stops and stays at that altitude.
Quotewhat happens when a balloon rises so high it leaves the atmosphere containing air particles.. (if thats possible)
See above. If they do not explode from the difference in pressure, meteorological balloons would act like that, they would go up until they reached an altitude at which the weight of the balloon is the same as the weight of the same volume of air and it would stop.
QuoteWhat happens to such a balloon if it was put in a wider tube that was in a vacuum.... Would it still rise ? or do the lack of air particles inside the vacuum tube ....prevent a balloon being able to lift or push against lack of air particles.
A tube with a vacuum? The balloon wouldn't float, as it would be heavier than the surrounding medium.
QuoteI think that does tend to be th case.. ie due to no air particles ... it cannot push against anything..
and therefore is not real antigravity... as I seem to recall reading similar egs in posts that discussed A.G..
but in theory... it allows something to rise a long way up within the Earths atmosphere..
Not only is that not A.G. (it took me some time to understand what you meant by A.G. :) ), buoyancy is a side effect of gravity.
well i personally like the sound theory
but wasn't a water line found around the Sphinx?
as well as docks at the end of the paws
Quote from: biggles on April 27, 2018, 01:01:17 AM
By sound. Like some monks do, raise things up by sound vibration; that's what I thought anyway.
I'm with you and Space otter SOUND LEVITATION...
I was THERE when they did it :P I have posted that It is one of my strongest past life memories. I even found the staff they used from my memory... took years but I found it
posted that too in the ISIS thread
As for the water theory... who had it first :P
We have THIS from a Pegasus Guest Contributor
Steven Myers
A system of Locks and Bargeshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8F5QUnImL5o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0IKKTsv0-4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-d4W2eyC9v4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjSQsAJrA8k
In ref to the suggestion of Sound levitation...
I think thats down to resonance vibration frequency...
I just happened to see a UFO Hunters episode that other day that were discussing it...
I would need to restudy it in more detail...
I assume it works in Air .... but how far can it lift and for how long ? Is there any evidence that there are any sort of larger Craft that are using it heavier than the light weight model that they use in the video demonstration..
and will it work out of an air environment !
UFO Hunters, Resonance Frequency and Acoustic Levitation
The History Channel, UFO Hunters, Resonance Frequency and Acoustic Levitation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=146&v=Ah2X0F0nBfQ
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resonance
Quote from: biggles on April 27, 2018, 01:01:17 AM
By sound. Like some monks do, raise things up by sound vibration; that's what I thought anyway.
QuoteSpace Otter :well i personally like the sound theory
but wasn't a water line found around the Sphinx?
as well as docks at the end of the paws
QuoteZorgon : I'm with you and Space otter SOUND LEVITATION...
I was THERE when they did it :P I have posted that It is one of my strongest past life memories. I even found the staff they used from my memory... took years but I found it
posted that too in the ISIS thread
Ref to Buoyancy ... It seems mainly applicable to what see like Liquid fluid form in which its effect opposes gravity..
and seems to do so with quite some force ....
I dont think its seen as acting in the same manner in a more gas like fluid .. ie in an air environment...
so in air we may have a similar elements / molecules medium as in a fluid liquid, but its behavior is not the same effect..
In liquid it seems a strong like force...
When we put an heavy object in a tank of water.. the object sinks and water is displaced...
when we add buoancy to that same mass... that maybe just light weight balloon type sealed bags just filled with air...
the heavy mass may float and yet the buoyancy object is only very light added weight..in comparison to the weight of the heaveir object mass...
It seems hard to believe such an aid can defy that objects weight / mass against gravity...
But it all only occurrs in certain mediums...and unfortunately can not be applied as a form of Anti Gravity...
which if we could find a similar effect where we could control it... to act or work on heavier objects... is the sort of thing I think we are trying to achieve..
OR if we are using electro magnetic or vibration effects... where we may have controlled opposing negatives to positives...charges or forces ..like we get in opposing magnets or electro forces that repel ...
They exist but only seem to do so in a limited way...
out of these sort of options.. is there some way that A.G can be achieved... combining somehow...
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/74/Buoyancy.svg/220px-Buoyancy.svg.png)
QuoteIn physics, buoyancy (/ˈbɔɪənsi, -əntsi, ˈbuːjənsi, -jəntsi/)[1][2] or upthrust, is an upward force exerted by a fluid that opposes the weight of an immersed object. In a column of fluid, pressure increases with depth as a result of the weight of the overlying fluid. Thus the pressure at the bottom of a column of fluid is greater than at the top of the column. Similarly, the pressure at the bottom of an object submerged in a fluid is greater than at the top of the object. This pressure difference results in a net upwards force on the object. The magnitude of that force exerted is proportional to that pressure difference, and (as explained by Archimedes' principle) is equivalent to the weight of the fluid that would otherwise occupy the volume of the object, i.e. the displaced fluid.
For this reason, an object whose density is greater than that of the fluid in which it is submerged tends to sink. If the object is either less dense than the liquid or is shaped appropriately (as in a boat), the force can keep the object afloat. This can occur only in a non-inertial reference frame, which either has a gravitational field or is accelerating due to a force other than gravity defining a "downward" direction. In a situation of fluid statics, the net upward buoyancy force is equal to the magnitude of the weight of fluid displaced by the body.[3]
The center of buoyancy of an object is the centroid of the displaced volume of fluid.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buoyancy
QuoteArMaP : A tube with a vacuum? The balloon wouldn't float, as it would be heavier than the surrounding medium.
Quote
I think that does tend to be th case.. ie due to no air particles ... it cannot push against anything..
and therefore is not real antigravity... as I seem to recall reading similar egs in posts that discussed A.G..
but in theory... it allows something to rise a long way up within the Earths atmosphere..
Not only is that not A.G. (it took me some time to understand what you meant by A.G. :) ), buoyancy is a side effect of gravity.
Quote from: astr0144 on April 27, 2018, 07:32:10 PM
In ref to the suggestion of Sound levitation...
I think thats down to resonance vibration frequency...
Well yeah LOL Several threads on this already :D
QuoteI just happened to see a UFO Hunters episode that other day that were discussing it...
Ever notice how UFO Hunters never produces any results?
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I would need to restudy it in more detail...
I assume it works in Air .... but how far can it lift and for how long ?
Acoustic Levitation Of Stones
by Bruce Cathie
https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/antigravityworldgrid/ciencia_antigravityworldgrid08.htm
QuoteIs there any evidence that there are any sort of larger Craft that are using it heavier than the light weight model that they use in the video demonstration..
I thought we were discussing PYRAMID CONSTRUCTION. Don't mix oranges with cucumbers
Quoteand will it work out of an air environment !
No sound does not travel in a vacuum... but then I am pretty sure there is AIR were the pyramids were built :P
QuoteThe History Channel, UFO Hunters, ....
Can't stand either of them Total waste of time stretch 15 min of drama into an hour and leave you with no conclusion...
NASA Acoustic Levitation Chamberhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94KzmB2bI7s
Bouyancy has nothing to do with gravity It is all about surface tension. It also has nothing to do with anti gravity
Stop using Wicked Pedia :P
Surface tension and the buoyancy force are both working together to keep the object to keep floating. Surface tension keeps light object from falling into the water; buoyancy pulls up the object.https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/116404/water-surface-tension-and-buoyancy
Anti-gravity is useless as it would simply cancel out Gravity and leave you hanging. And what use is anti-gravity once in space in a virtual zero gravity field?
Quote from: zorgon on April 28, 2018, 01:21:59 AM
Bouyancy has nothing to do with gravity It is all about surface tension.
Buoyancy
is related to gravity, without gravity you don't have buoyancy.
QuoteStop using Wicked Pedia :P
Says the guy that uses a link from Stack Exchange that contradicts him. :P
QuoteSurface tension and the buoyancy force are both working together to keep the object to keep floating. Surface tension keeps light object from falling into the water; buoyancy pulls up the object.
https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/116404/water-surface-tension-and-buoyancy
If it was only surface tension how do submarines go up and down? Their surface tension doesn't change, only their weight.
I have always gone with the levitation explanation, it HAD to be easy to place the stones, there are so many. It had to be done with ease so that all it was was repetition of placement ,with a plan for each stone and each level.
Now as to who did it? don't know but I don't think it was Egyptians, not the ones at Giza anyway. I think the Giza ones are the oldest and all the other ones are done by Egyptians copying the Giza examples .
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How about giants 8)
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on April 29, 2018, 05:02:05 AM
How about giants 8)
Oh I suppose the Race of beings was talll , even giant maybe , but I don't think that there was an army of workforce giants lifting blocks with the full effect of gravity, no . I think there was a tall race of humanoid et that did the planning and had the technology to counter the effects of gravity. A work force large enough to do the job of building pyramids in a reasonable amount of time and there ya have it . I know I am oversimplifying it but this subject has been done to death.
But what about these guys?
https://youtu.be/7Vjv69Qac2w
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Quote from: hoss58 on April 29, 2018, 07:03:50 AM
I think there was a tall race of humanoid et that did the planning and had the technology to counter the effects of gravity.
And only joined together a bunch of rocks in a pyramidal shape. What a waste of technology. :P
Quote from: ArMaP on April 29, 2018, 12:11:41 PM
And only joined together a bunch of rocks in a pyramidal shape. What a waste of technology. :P
Not if you want to send a message to the future :P
What message? Hey you from the future... You are not the only game in the town.
Also mabe we are not so smart or sincere to have figured or disclosed the real message it had/has.
Quote from: RUSSO on April 29, 2018, 12:38:33 PM
Not if you want to send a message to the future :P
If I wanted to send a message to the future I would make something more complex than a pyramid. :)
Quote from: ArMaP on April 29, 2018, 01:25:10 PM
If I wanted to send a message to the future I would make something more complex than a pyramid. :)
You mean making something that could take the action of time for eras and maybe be a vault? Do you know for sure if all the content inside of it was really disclosed to the public? I dont think so. ;)
Quote from: RUSSO on April 29, 2018, 07:58:07 PM
You mean making something that could take the action of time for eras and maybe be a vault?
No, something that, 4000 years later, could show without any doubt that it was made by an advanced civilization with technology that could counter gravity.
Quote from: ArMaP on April 29, 2018, 10:21:58 PM
No, something that, 4000 years later, could show without any doubt that it was made by an advanced civilization with technology that could counter gravity.
What modern building made by our society you think is complex and durable enough to show in the future we were advanced?
Quote from: RUSSO on April 29, 2018, 10:32:12 PM
What modern building made by our society you think is complex and durable enough to show in the future we were advanced?
I don't have the slightest idea, for several reasons. First, I don't know many buildings around the world, second, the buildings we have now were not (as far as I know) made to show to future people that we are advanced, third, I wasn't thinking about that, I was thinking about a possible ancient civilization more advanced than we are today leaving something for the future generations to show they had existed.
Quote from: ArMaP on April 29, 2018, 12:11:41 PM
And only joined together a bunch of rocks in a pyramidal shape. What a waste of technology. :P
[grin].. The great pyramid is and was more than a bunch of joined together rocks . What remains at Giza today is the stripped down remnants of a sophisticated machine . All the good parts have been removed . One of the places where you can see where stuff has been removed is in the great ascending hallway. On the sides you can observe holes where a row of huge parts where placed all along that corridor. The so called sarcophagus was where you laid down and received some kind treatment or purification . Possibly you were transported somewhere, there are various stories and accounts .
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What if the pyramids were built by thousands of slaves and or Egyptians over years to provide a burial chamber for the pharaoh, using nothing more than the current techniques of the times?
Just because modern man can't conceive of the effort or the mindset of these ancient peoples, doesn't mean that there was advanced technology or aliens helping them.
I had made ref to some other theories that may have been suggested to have been used in the Pyramid Construction..
that maybe seen as other ways to have lifted the heavy stone blocks... and had also recently seen a video on Sound levitation..which seemed to be something similar to what I thought was like Anti Gravity effect. (if such a thing is possible)
Although Sound levitation is mainly to do with resonance / Frequency Vibration...in the use of Sound...BUT it maybe that everything is more or less to do with Vibration / and frequency.... light or any mass , states of matter , temperature , EMF or energy for eg... its to do wih atomic atom like vibration. maybe all to do with Einsteins E = MC2 equation.
I think we assume any advanced race just knows so much more about how to manipulate all the effects of energy atomic vibration... that also allows Antigravity...and other weird and unbeliavble things...
QuoteZorgon
I thought we were discussing PYRAMID CONSTRUCTION. Don't mix oranges with cucumbers
Yes, You remind me that Sound does not travel thru a vacuum....but even in Space.. I dont think its seen as a perfect vacuum. and generally the standards of Vacuum varies.. Yet if I recall other Electro Mag EMF waves are able to travel thru a vacuum. Light and gamma waves for eg
QuoteNo sound does not travel in a vacuum... but then I am pretty sure there is AIR were the pyramids were built :P
In ref to most similar UFO type TV programs / Videos... It seems most are similar... but each has some parts that will have some valid or maybe worthy material...but there is always quite a % that either is disinfo or misleading or a waste of space or our time ... and its down to us to try to determine what maybe worthwhile or not....Hence your Forum to try to do so..
But I think many have to be worthwhile watching.. as they do offer some of the basics stories , theories, ideas and suggestions to consider... Are they any better than reading materials..(what we may read in books or online)...
I think I prefer to watch a program / video to try to explain than to read a book.. if I think the material is likely to have some validity..
I thought that some things that UFO Hunters had attempted to do.. were different to many other UFO type programs in that they make out that they are trying to apply science or research into certain things that may not have been seen or attempted before.... but for the average person... unless they are really educated or clever.. its not that easy to know one way or another... Its only after a person has done a lot of study and research things that they will be able to debunk some of the stuff they do...
and as I think you have suggested and indicated on many an occasion... much of the UFO so called experts who are on these programs...on just on the circuit either to pass on disinfo or for the money or fame..
But some of their material / theories can be of interest or thought provoking.. and its such a huge subject..
Quote
Can't stand either of them (UFO Hunters) Total waste of time stretch 15 min of drama into an hour and leave you with no conclusion.
I think as ArMaP states... That it does have some ref to Gravity..
From what I recall Surface tension was more to do with the top layer skin on the liquid molecular surface... where you can balance a Needle on a calm water surface for eg..
BUT Buoyancy... is like a force that acts opposing to gravity, but within a fluid liquid medium.. such as under water..
if you try to sink or hold a ping pong ball under water and release it... it move upwards to the surface. with a thrust like action.. if you had a deep tank of liquid water...say 100 feet deep... and you are able to try to sink that ping pong ball at various depths in a series of experiments.. where you take it down n 10 foot stages.. start with 10 feet, then 20 feet , 30 ft etc etc and so on and release the ball from each 10 foot depth... I think in all cases the ball would move up..
BUT How quickly and with how much force or thrust... that may vary .. as I think the weight of the water acts on the ball..
but does deeper water give it more or less force thrust..
If you have a tank of 1000 to 10000 fet or more deep.... the ball may get crushed due to the weight / pressure of the water..
But I get the impression that the force seems rather constant within certain depths..
I am not sure if Surface tension.. may also act on water molecules.. that are under the water.. not just on its surface.
maybe there is something to that also..
Few of us are good enough Scientists to know some of thi stuff in enough detail or its hard to recall the experiements in details without doing further research...to remind ourseleves..sometimes its on the day if we can recall things.. as we get older..
QuoteBouyancy has nothing to do with gravity It is all about surface tension. It also has nothing to do with anti gravity
I think Wikipedia has some use at times for certain facts that are often just easy to obtain in a quick online search.
that I know in the past has been questioned but often still gets used..
Stop using Wicked Pedia :P
I think many keen UFO researchers find it hard not to consider Anti Gravity..
to say it would be useless.. is hard to accept.
At the end of the day.. its a question of does one believe or not believe in it..or if its possible.
If Bob Lazar was telling the truth.. followers of him who believe his theories / story.. believe it exists..
It only needs to be used to lift of from the Earth to the outer atmosphere...or to hover in it..
Maybe other movements sideways etc within earths atmosphere ... dont need to be A.G related.. as other types of thrusters maybe used. and I dont think a crafts speeds need to be related to A.G...
its purely the lift of a object against Gravity...
What is weird..is with ping pong ball eg... thats under water and also acting against gravity... and also the earths atmosphere.. yet it appears to move up thru the water as a type of anti gravity effect.. within a medium, except thats a liquid fluid...
In the Earths atmosphere... I think of it as AIR...
but Water is H2 O... Hydrogen and Oxygen.. (2 hydro atoms to one Oxygen atoms) but not sure what % is classed as oxygen... I dont think its just seen as either half or 50% or even 33% of the whole compound..
Air is mainly Nitrogen plus only about 30 % is Oxygen..
but 30 % of that air maybe he same amount of Oxygen that is within water...
so maybe 30% of the atmosphere is similar to that of what % of it is within the liquid water..in which the ping pong balls was able to move thru it in a buoyancy trust like way..
so is it a heavier Nitrgen that may have the effects on the ball to stops its thrust thru the atmosphere from it acting partley in a similar way..
but what would happen to the ball if the atmosphere part or nitrogen became liquidfied ?
That means the temperature / pressure would have altered..
So in ref to water... where it can be in 3 states.. Solid ice, liquid water or gas / vapor
At some stage I may had ben thinking that the air above water level is most of our atmosphere and that its like the gas like state of water.. BUT Nitrogen is the main element of the Above water level to High Atmosphere range..
So the upthrust effect of a ping pong ball as it moves up from say a thrust from below the water level..once released..
cannot continue to main its momentum move once it enters the atmosphere air medium...and also we suggest gravity prevents it from rising...
SO... if say the water level had been 50 % of the distance between the bottom of the sea floor to the higher parts of the atmosphere..... if you were able to lower the ping pong ball to the bottom of the sea..without it crushing.. and release it... it would move up half way to the height / distance between the Earths lower below sea floor surface to the top of the sea level..
but generall the sea levels depth is only a fraction of the distance from the sea floor to the top of the Earths atmosphere. So releasing a pingpong ball in such a way only ever moves a small fraction of the distance as described..
using buoyancy / thrust...
and the medium of the Above sea level.. air like medium... does not allow the ball to maintain its lift like action.
BUT as all elements even Nitrogen... all can be of each 3 states similar to water...
one may question why or is it possible that somehow there should be a way for something like that ping pong balls to still be able to move thru the air like element medium.. in a similar way that we see the balls move up thru a liquid state medium..
The PingPong ball under water , has the pressure / weight of water acting on it.. that maybe what also gives the buoyancy thrust to it.. and it also has gravity acting on it and also the weight of the air like atmosphere..
when the ball is at sea level... it only has gravity plus the weight of the earths atmosphere acting on it..
As we know Gravity is not that great a force acting on an object within the atmosphere.. or we would not be able to even see a light weight balloon lift or rise up part way thru it...
and maybe it seems that the earths atmosphere is not great either.. as there is moe weight acting on a balloon from at lower levels...where we release them from.. yet as they lift.. where there is less atmosphere weight acting on it... the balloon still then only will rise so far... as the gas within it gets effected due to less weight acting on it..
providing there are no leaks in it... I assume the inside gas pressure expands and maybe pops it...
the the outside atmosphere pressure is lessened ..
Just some weird thoughts on trying to think how things are or to question why some things may or maybe not be possible..thru a series of thought processes...trying to figure out why or what what would need to alter to allow it to happen..
QuoteAnti-gravity is useless as it would simply cancel out Gravity and leave you hanging. And what use is anti-gravity once in space in a virtual zero gravity field?
Quote from: ArMaP on April 28, 2018, 01:09:08 PM
Buoyancy is related to gravity, without gravity you don't have buoyancy.
Says the guy that uses a link from Stack Exchange that contradicts him. :P
If it was only surface tension how do submarines go up and down? Their surface tension doesn't change, only their weight.
Quote from: astr0144 on May 01, 2018, 02:10:14 AM
BUT Buoyancy... is like a force that acts opposing to gravity, but within a fluid liquid medium.. such as under water..
Within a fluid, it can be a liquid or a gas.
Quoteif you try to sink or hold a ping pong ball under water and release it... it move upwards to the surface. with a thrust like action.. if you had a deep tank of liquid water...say 100 feet deep... and you are able to try to sink that ping pong ball at various depths in a series of experiments.. where you take it down n 10 foot stages.. start with 10 feet, then 20 feet , 30 ft etc etc and so on and release the ball from each 10 foot depth... I think in all cases the ball would move up..
Yes, it would always move up.
QuoteBUT How quickly and with how much force or thrust... that may vary .. as I think the weight of the water acts on the ball..
but does deeper water give it more or less force thrust..
It depends. :)
After a few searches I found (not on Wikipedia :P) that the buoyancy force is directly related to the density of the fluid, the volume of the object immersed in that fluid and the force of gravity, something like F=d*V*g, in which "F" is the buoyancy force, "d" is the density of the fluid, "V" the volume of the object and "g" is the force of gravity, usually 9.8 N/kg.
If the object doesn't compress with depth, then the volume doesn't change, so the buoyancy force doesn't change. But if the density of the fluid changes, like happens when the depth is relatively big and the weight of the water above compresses the water below, making it denser (the same thing that happens in the atmosphere, with lower layers being much denser than upper layers), or when the fluid is something like salt water, that has the tendency of being more salty and, consequently, denser in lower layers, the change in density changes the buoyancy force.
As all the elements in the formula are directly related, an increase of, for example, 1% of the density will result in an increase of the buoyancy.
I'll try it with some numbers. :)
d=1
V=0.2
g=9.8
F=1*0.2*9.8=1.96
Now for d=1.01
F=1.01*0.2*9.8=1.9796
You can see that the buoyancy force was increased by 1% (1.96 * 1.01 = 1.9796).
QuoteIf you have a tank of 1000 to 10000 fet or more deep.... the ball may get crushed due to the weight / pressure of the water..
If the depth is enough the ball will be crushed, that happens to submarines.
QuoteBut I get the impression that the force seems rather constant within certain depths..
I suppose we could consider it constant, if we are talking about water or another liquid that are not easily compressed, but if we are talking about the atmosphere then things are different, as gas is highly compressible.
QuoteI am not sure if Surface tension.. may also act on water molecules.. that are under the water.. not just on its surface.
I suppose surface tension still applies, but being the weakest force of the three involved (buoyancy, gravity and surface tension) I think it doesn't interfere much with the final result and is negligible.
QuoteI think many keen UFO researchers find it hard not to consider Anti Gravity..
What would be useful would be negative gravity. :)
QuoteWhat is weird..is with ping pong ball eg... thats under water and also acting against gravity... and also the earths atmosphere.. yet it appears to move up thru the water as a type of anti gravity effect.. within a medium, except thats a liquid fluid...
That's because, like in all other situations, objects are being affected by several forces acting on them. When all the forces cancel each other the object is at rest, like the ping pong ball on top of a table, when the force of gravity acting upon the ball is cancelled by the reactive force of the table against the ball. If the table breaks, that force disappears and the ball falls, as it now is only being subjected to gravity, that pulls it down.
When immersed in a fluid an object becomes also subjected to buoyancy, so that's another force acting on the object that goes against gravity. As we are in a fluid (the atmosphere) we are also subjected to buoyancy, but it's a very weak force. A balloon, being a much denser object, has a much smaller weight, so is subjected to a stronger buoyancy. A balloon filled with helium becomes less heavy than the same volume of air, so it rises until it reaches an altitude at which the air density around it becomes too low to give it enough buoyancy.
Just for fun (yes, I think making calculations can be fun, specially when related with physics :) ) we can try to find the buoyancy force acting on a human. Let's start by assuming a volume of 0.07 cubic metres (70 litres, equivalent to a person weighing some 65 kg, as we know a human is less dense than water. It's a subjective number) and an air density of 1.225 kg/m
3. That would give us:
F=1.225 kg/m
3 * 0.07 m
3 * 9.8 N/kg = 0.84035 N (or 0.08575 kg)
A weight of 65 Kg (as assumed above) translates into 637.43 N, so buoyancy is only little more than 1/1000 of that person's weight.
In water the formula would be:
F= 1000 kg/m
3 * 0.07 m
3 * 9.8 N/kg = 686 N (or 70 kg)
We can see that the 637.43 N the person weighs are less than the 686 N buoyancy provides, so the person floats.
QuoteThe PingPong ball under water , has the pressure / weight of water acting on it.. that maybe what also gives the buoyancy thrust to it.. and it also has gravity acting on it and also the weight of the air like atmosphere..
when the ball is at sea level... it only has gravity plus the weight of the earths atmosphere acting on it..
Gravity is responsible for the weight, so in fact we have only different levels of gravity influence, resulting from different densities.
QuoteAs we know Gravity is not that great a force acting on an object within the atmosphere.. or we would not be able to even see a light weight balloon lift or rise up part way thru it...
and maybe it seems that the earths atmosphere is not great either.. as there is moe weight acting on a balloon from at lower levels...where we release them from.. yet as they lift.. where there is less atmosphere weight acting on it... the balloon still then only will rise so far... as the gas within it gets effected due to less weight acting on it..
providing there are no leaks in it... I assume the inside gas pressure expands and maybe pops it...
the the outside atmosphere pressure is lessened ..
Yes, balloons rise up one of two conditions are met: they reach a level at which their weight is the same as the buoyancy acting on them or they reach a point at which the density of the air around them is so low that the balloon expands until it ruptures. There are several videos on the Internet of meteorological balloons exploding when they reach that limit.
QuoteJust some weird thoughts on trying to think how things are or to question why some things may or maybe not be possible..thru a series of thought processes...trying to figure out why or what what would need to alter to allow it to happen..
I think you're doing a great job. Thinking is what have brought us to the point we are at the moment, with people from all around the world "talking" with each other as if they were (almost) on the same room. :)
Keep thinking, even if it looks that it leads to nothing new.
Just the fact that we are free to think what we want is good enough for me. :)
PS: in theory, buoyancy can happen in
any fluid or fluid-like medium, so I suppose it can happen in the solar system, if we consider that we have the Sun's gravity acting on everything and that everything is immersed in the so called "solar wind", that on itself also represents a force pushing away from the Sun, so I think it would be possible to make a "solar balloon" that would move closer or away from the Sun if we adjusted its "solar buoyancy". Moving sideways would be a different matter. :)
PPS: I hope I haven't made things more confusing. ;D
Quote from: ArMaP on April 29, 2018, 01:25:10 PM
If I wanted to send a message to the future I would make something more complex than a pyramid. :)
Well yes and no....
The main thing here is that the Great Pyramids are effectively the first pyramids. They were built huge and perfect... Then the other pyramids that were built later started to slowly decline
This is the only construct of humanity that goes from perfect to barely done. All other projects start with small beginnings and get better as we learn how to do it..
The Egyptians recorded EVERYTHING they did in daily life in pictographs... yet there is not ONE depiction of how they built them. There is on;y ONE depiction of a statue being moved on a sled pulled by ropes... which we used to base our entire theory of rocks moved by ropes on.
The Great Pyramid is full of mathematical knowledge buillt using sacred geometry. The Pyramid is built with amazing precision... The axis is true north south... the base to height ratio "squares the circle"
And most important is that the ANGLES of the Pyramid are set that way for specific reasons.... That angle was not the easiest to build but it is necessary to generate the energy that is often depicted as a beam of light out of the Apex... like the one we have in Vegas
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In the 70's this energy was researched a lot Seems we have forgotten about it today
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Was it built to send a message to the future? I doubt it. I believe it is a lasting remnant of a vastly Ancient society, just like those puzzle block huge megaliths found around the world that were once attributed to the Inca etc... but we now know the Incas only used them to build on...
History as we know it is wrong...
I'm sorry, but I hate to be a wet noodle here, but just because they were ancient people, does that make them stupid? Could they have figured out, with the vast resources at their command, designed and built them perfect? Then as the Kingdoms deteriorated over time, as they always do, through wars and personal feuds and conquest, lost the ability to get it right? In other words, lost the humph to sacrifice everything for their pharaoh?
The same could be said of the US space program. With the right stuff, lol (sorry), we went to the moon (yeah yeah I know) but now we have to borrow rocket rides from the Russians!....(We supposedly got through the Van Allen Belt but now we have to figure out a way to do it?)....
Just Sayin'.... 8)
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on April 30, 2018, 01:16:04 PM
8)
What if the pyramids were built by thousands of slaves and or Egyptians over years to provide a burial chamber for the pharaoh, using nothing more than the current techniques of the times?
Occam's Razor?
Quote from: SerpUkhovian on May 01, 2018, 11:05:50 PM
Occam's Razor?
Maybe...
I don't know....
and I think all these suppositions are meaningful and insightful. But usually the simplest is the best...
Until someone discovers the how to guide of how they did it, no answer is correct.
8)
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on May 01, 2018, 10:48:46 PM
I'm sorry, but I hate to be a wet noodle here, but just because they were ancient people, does that make them stupid?
No the Ancients were very smart :P
BUT smart does not mean you instantly come up with an idea and make it right the first time.
Take the Antikythera mechanism for example. That is a computer of intricate gears that model the movement of the planets (as proven by a modern reconstruction of it) Yet the DATE they give for it precedes any know invention of gears.
You do NOT just out of the blue build something so huge and perfect without having first developed the necessary skills.
So be a wet noodle if you must but don't throw logic and science on the trash heap like so many are doing today. Before you know it you will be declaring the Earth is flat.
::)
QuoteIn other words, lost the humph to sacrifice everything for their pharaoh?
The Pyramids were NEVER a tomb for any Pharaoh... besides the GP was built before there were Pharaohs. The always ignored INVENTORY STELLA of KHUFU clearly states that he found the GP already a very ancient structure and he only repaired it. I find it truly astonishing that archaeologist take everything else in that stella as gospel, yet deliberately ignore that part
QuoteThe same could be said of the US space program. With the right stuff, lol (sorry), we went to the moon (yeah yeah I know) but now we have to borrow rocket rides from the Russians!....(We supposedly got through the Van Allen Belt but now we have to figure out a way to do it?)....
Yes technology can be forgotten...I can only imagine what was lost in the Library of Alexandria, But just because NASA forgot how to go to the moon, The Russians still launch rockets :P
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on April 30, 2018, 01:16:04 PM
What if the pyramids were built by thousands of slaves and or Egyptians over years to provide a burial chamber for the pharaoh, using nothing more than the current techniques of the times?
Well we already know that no Pharaoh was buried in the Pyramid...
And the problem with slaves and time is that for the Pyramid to have been built in the time they claim it was, it would have required quarrying, shaping, transporting and setting in place ONE stone block every 2 MINUTES 24 hours a day 7 days a week to get it built in the 21 (?) years that it is aloted
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on May 01, 2018, 11:19:31 PM
Until someone discovers the how to guide of how they did it, no answer is correct.
Well that is one problem LOL No one thought to make such a guide... despite the fact that Egyptians recorded everything else meticulously
So I suppose we can just give up and ignore all the other sources of info other than main stream archaeology and just stop worrying about it.
BTW Occam's Razor is dull from over use :P
Quote from: zorgon on May 01, 2018, 11:29:30 PM
Well that is one problem LOL No one thought to make such a guide... despite the fact that Egyptians recorded everything else meticulously
So I suppose we can just give up and ignore all the other sources of info other than main stream archaeology and just stop worrying about it.
BTW Occam's Razor is dull from over use :P
Your welcome! I knew you'd answer in such a distinct, efficent manner, making all the necessary statements to clarify the topic. I certainly stand corrected. 8)
Quote from: zorgon on May 01, 2018, 10:05:41 PM
The main thing here is that the Great Pyramids are effectively the first pyramids.
Do you have any evidence of that? I even accept Wikipedia articles. :P
QuoteThe Egyptians recorded EVERYTHING they did in daily life in pictographs... yet there is not ONE depiction of how they built them.
Does that include the other pyramids you say were copies? If they were copies and were built by them why didn't they record how it was done?
QuoteHistory as we know it is wrong...
And you know the real history? I didn't know you were that old. :P
Quote from: ArMaP on April 29, 2018, 10:21:58 PM
No, something that, 4000 years later, could show without any doubt that it was made by an advanced civilization with technology that could counter gravity.
But Armap...that IS what it does[grin]
Quote from: hoss58 on May 04, 2018, 01:03:05 PM
But Armap...that IS what it does[grin]
If it showed it
without a doubt we wouldn't be discussing it. :)
Quote from: ArMaP on May 01, 2018, 11:59:04 PM
And you know the real history? I didn't know you were that old. :P
Then my friend you haven't been paying attention :P
I have several times stated I was THERE when the priests levitated the blocks into place using a special wand that I clearly remembered And in the ISIS thread WAY BACK at ATS I mentioned this and we found that staff in an obscure hieroglyph..
So yes I AM that old. This is my 8th incarnation on Earth... two of which I have clear memories of. I KNOW that I have nothing to prove this to you... but frankly it doesn't matter to me... When the time comes YOU will know... perhaps we will even meet again in the next one...
Quote from: ArMaP on May 04, 2018, 01:55:04 PM
If it showed it without a doubt we wouldn't be discussing it. :)
This much I will grant you :P
Statements like ""without a doubt" or "this is the absolute truth" do not work... because even it they were true, there will always be someone that has a doubt, justified or not :P
However most of such doubts are created by personal beliefs and prejudices... and worst of all personal opinion.
So let's take an example:
NASA says: "The earth is a globe without any doubt"
Well most sane people accept this FACT as the "absolute truth" This FACT can even be easily tested by anyone using a protractor and a stick the same way the Greeks figured it out in 250 BC
But along comes a person who has decided that the Earth HAS to be flat. This person convinces many others that "NASA is lying, the photos are FAKE, the earth is flat"
So now you have several thousand people THINKING the earth is flat and they have created false doubt in others
The FACT remains however that the Earth IS a globe... WITHOUT a DOUBT :P
Person opinion and beliefs do NOT make it TRUTH :P Unfortunately the internet has allowed everyone to thump their chest like a Gorilla and declared their opinion or belief as "Absolute Truth"
So we are here discussing it to try to convince the believers to do the research THEMSELVES and get to the truth :P
That is a futile effort though, because the Chest Thumpers have already decided they KNOW so they won't listen, nor take the time to test something that could prove them wrong and make them have to eat Humble Pie
Quote from: zorgon on May 04, 2018, 09:03:34 PM
So now you have several thousand people THINKING the earth is flat and they have created false doubt in others
I disagree with the use of the word "THINKING", as they are only following what other people say, no thinking involved. :)
Quote from: ArMaP on May 04, 2018, 09:55:29 PM
I disagree with the use of the word "THINKING", as they are only following what other people say, no thinking involved. :)
But if they 'think' they are 'thinking', then by all that's holy, they are 'thinking'? No?
Quote from: ArMaP on May 04, 2018, 09:55:29 PM
I disagree with the use of the word "THINKING", as they are only following what other people say, no thinking involved. :)
Well the Hu-mon species is a herd animal Always has been which is why the Church maintians their flock and "The Lord is THY shepherd" If all Hu-mons (Ferengi accent here) would actually THINK we would be in real trouble on this planet
In other news
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Government Reveals Truth about Aliens...WOW we finally know where ArMaP is from :P
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Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on May 04, 2018, 10:08:36 PM
But if they 'think' they are 'thinking', then by all that's holy, they are 'thinking'? No?
True, but they are thinking they are thinking, they are not thinking about reasons to accept or deny the other person's opinion.
Thanks for your feedback ArMaP...
Need to catch up on what you have said and the rest of the thread, maybe do some further thinking on your comments ! :) to be able to respond ...
At times I think I am in the wrong place at the wrong time.. Maybe rather than the right place at the right time.
That is in ref to the sort of topic that we have been discussing..
I say this as several years ago I worked with someone who was very knowledgable technically and intellectually about the material we referred to.. but back then, I was not really too well up or keen on such a topic to go into more depth or to learn about it in more detail... and in one way I now am rather disappointed that I did not mor advantage of the opportunity that i had to learn more about the topic material from him.
But I recalled some of it... and upon getting older and maybe a bit wiser towards it as well as wondering about could there be some research references to some of the things and what we discussed in this thread..
It would have been nice now to have been able to have had more indepth discussions with him about some of the things we maybe trying to figure out..
I dont think he was quite in the league of a Scientist... but he was an Mechanical Pump Engineer and Pumps do have a lot to do with understanding fluids.. as does many other related topics.... whether it be objects within liquids or air...
or Aircraft and how they operate in the Air medium... as we may envision UFOs would also do to some extent..
But Parts of it I found rather difficult to understand back then, and still do so now...
But I had not put in ny real sort of study in the subjects since..
As often we all have regrets at set times.. and wish this or that when we feel we may want to refer to what ever topic when we need it..
He did at one time... attempt me to try to think in set way.. maybe thats why I tried to recall some of the process..
BUT I dont think either maybe I was able to really do that... or I had a mental block to it.. or may not had been really suited to thinking mentally at that level..
but at one stage.. I recall what seemed like a switch come on in my brain... and for a few months.. my mental abilities seemed to change as he had pushed me to do certain things that normally I could or would not have been able to consider... but it was like a wake up call..
the problem was .. life happened , changes occurred and it did not take long to end up back as I used to be.. :)
It maybe like a weight lifter.. they keeps at the training... they get stronger... but once you stop.. you can soon loose it..
The things that I find difficult with certain mental processes.. is at times its hard to keep up..
I also wonder about are other things effecting our abilities to be able to think...and just by how much..
be it things like we question about conspiracy theories behind food and water and drug / vaccine issues..
or past familiy history effects..which maybe seen as in our genetics...
But I always question.. actually biological make up in our brain... does bigger more brain matter make such differences in whatwe are mentally capable off.. and was that to do a lot with our diet in growing up.. or how much milk we got as babies ...that may also be how much milk from our Mother breasts ? :) I wonder if Mother Milk babies have such effects ! Verses Cows Milk....as another eg..
So many questions ???
Quote from: ArMaP on May 01, 2018, 01:44:48 PM
Keep thinking, even if it looks that it leads to nothing new.
Just the fact that we are free to think what we want is good enough for me. :)
PS: in theory, buoyancy can happen in any fluid or fluid-like medium, so I suppose it can happen in the solar system, if we consider that we have the Sun's gravity acting on everything and that everything is immersed in the so called "solar wind", that on itself also represents a force pushing away from the Sun, so I think it would be possible to make a "solar balloon" that would move closer or away from the Sun if we adjusted its "solar buoyancy". Moving sideways would be a different matter. :)
PPS: I hope I haven't made things more confusing. ;D
I doubt that even ArMaP (unless he's Eric Dubay (http://www.ericdubay.com/) in drag, lol) can prove your 'theory'.
QuoteThe FACT remains however that the Earth IS a globe... WITHOUT a DOUBT :P
As they say, "show me the curve". :PNO OFFENSE INTENDED, as it is a joke, ArMaP.
Quote from: astr0144 on May 06, 2018, 11:30:01 PM
He did at one time... attempt me to try to think in set way.. maybe thats why I tried to recall some of the process..
BUT I dont think either maybe I was able to really do that... or I had a mental block to it.. or may not had been really suited to thinking mentally at that level..
I think the problem was that he tried to make you think in a specific way, and, to me, that's the wrong way. People have different ways of thinking, so when we want someone to think about something we should not force our way of thinking into that person, we should help the person find their own way of thinking. When the person finds their own way then they can think about whatever we wanted them to think about, and they can even have thoughts we never had, as their way of thinking may be better adapted to the subject, they just didn't know how to think about it. :)
Quotebut at one stage.. I recall what seemed like a switch come on in my brain... and for a few months.. my mental abilities seemed to change as he had pushed me to do certain things that normally I could or would not have been able to consider... but it was like a wake up call..
That's what I was saying, that means that you understood how to think, not how he wanted you to think, so you were able to use your brain in a way that you didn't know you could.
Quotethe problem was .. life happened , changes occurred and it did not take long to end up back as I used to be.. :)
It maybe like a weight lifter.. they keeps at the training... they get stronger... but once you stop.. you can soon loose it..
Yes, that happens with everything in our bodies, when we do not use something the resources are used somewhere else. In case of memories, for example, they are still there (unless there was some brain damage), they are just moved out of the way of what we, at the time, consider more important memories.
QuoteI also wonder about are other things effecting our abilities to be able to think...and just by how much..
be it things like we question about conspiracy theories behind food and water and drug / vaccine issues..
or past familiy history effects..which maybe seen as in our genetics...
That's hard to know. Lack of food in children does affect the brain's development. The brain, to work, needs mostly two things: oxygen and sugar, so if any one of those is impaired the brain cannot work at full capability, but, once more, it depends mostly on how we think, not how hard we think.
QuoteBut I always question.. actually biological make up in our brain... does bigger more brain matter make such differences in whatwe are mentally capable off.. and was that to do a lot with our diet in growing up.. or how much milk we got as babies ...that may also be how much milk from our Mother breasts ? :) I wonder if Mother Milk babies have such effects ! Verses Cows Milk....as another eg..
I don't know, and I think nobody really knows yet.
QuoteSo many questions ???
That's always a good start, people that think they have the answers are the ones that learn nothing. :)
I had not really looked or took much time to look into the Flat Earth theory since I was made aware of it some months ago..
I happened to see a Program the other day that was discussing it that is a major popular UK Morning News / media program..."This Morning GMTV " and initially I was sceptical about it...
but when I listened to some of the things that the persons on the program ( Shown in the articles video )
Maybe it made me wonder about some of their suggestions...
I dont know whether what they refer to is anything new to hse who have looked into it in more detail.
They suggest that they did a laser test over a lake and could not detect any curvature.... when we believe that the Seas on the Earth which is water must curve around the Earth as also they say so should lakes show some curvature..
They also suggest that the Astronauts are lying and what we see is done in some set up stage.. not fromn a space craft.
which I know many a conspiracist question many a thing in ref to Astronauts.
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Quote
'you're all bonkers!' This Morning's Phillip Schofield and Holly Willoughby gobsmacked by three men who insist the earth is flat and Tim Peake was lying about going to space
The flat earthers told the presenters that astronaut Tim Peake was in a Hollywood studio and not in space.
PHILLIP Schofield and Holly Willoughby were left gobsmacked today as they met three men who believe the earth is flat.
The men appeared on today's This Morning to debate the proven fact that the world is round – and shocked those at home by claiming Tim Peake lied about going to space.
Holly Willoughby and Phillip Schofield were shocked chatting to flat earthers
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Holly Willoughby and Phillip Schofield were shocked chatting to flat earthers
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The presenters couldn't hide their surprise as they discussed the theory with Gary Heather, Darren Nesbit and Martin Kenny.
The men argued that they had carried out a series of tests, including ones with lasers, which apparently proved the earth is flat.
Phillip couldn't comprehend their arguments and branded them "childish".
Holly then said one of the highlights of her career was interviewing the astronaut Tim Peake, who has spent time in the space station.
Gary Heather, Darren Nesbit and Martin Kenny believe the earth is flat
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Gary Heather, Darren Nesbit and Martin Kenny believe the earth is flat
Holly struggled to keep a straight face at times
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Holly struggled to keep a straight face at times
The flat earthers however believe he wasn't actually there, saying: "He is not in out of space. He is in a Hollywood type studio."
They were then played a clip from physicist Brian Cox, who slammed their theory.
Holly asked whether they thought he was a liar, and Darren replied: "You would never call someone a liar. Is Brian Cox mistaken? Yes, as is 99% of the world."
Phillip ended the row, telling them: "You are all bonkers!"
Those watching at home were equally as bemused and took to Twitter to discuss it.
Phillip branded them all bonkers
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Phillip branded them all bonkers
Holly and Phil argued that they were wrong
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Holly and Phil argued that they were wrong
One person wrote: "@thismorning OMG!! 😡😡😡 this people are angering me so much!! How can they be so dumb??! "The world is not Flat!!!!!!!" #ThisMorning."
Another added: "Flat earth people on this morning, this is embarrassing 😂 Tim Peake in a hollywood studio 😂 #thismorning."
And someone else tweeted: "Are these guys for real? The worst part is they truly believe what they're saying is right! What idiots!! #EarthIsntFlat #ThisMorning."
Brian Cox also dispelled their theory
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Brian Cox also dispelled their theory.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/6192361/this-mornings-phillip-schofield-holly-willoughby-gobsmacked-men-earth-flat-tim-peake/
Quote from: thorfourwinds on May 06, 2018, 11:32:21 PM
As they say, "show me the curve". :P
Here you go... BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT... and no fish eye lens :P
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PmYItnlY5M
What I want to know is how do I get a ride like that?
>:(
Quote from: astr0144 on May 07, 2018, 12:06:05 AM
They suggest that they did a laser test over a lake and could not detect any curvature.... when we believe that the Seas on the Earth which is water must curve around the Earth as also they say so should lakes show some curvature..
Well, that depends on how distant were the points used to measure the Earth's curvature and how precise was their method of measuring.
If they used a small lake then they would need a precise way of measuring the curvature, as for short distances the difference is very small, as you can see here (http://earthcurvature.com/).
QuoteThey also suggest that the Astronauts are lying and what we see is done in some set up stage.. not fromn a space craft.
That's always an easy way, accusing other people of lying instead of proving their own ideas. ::)
Quote from: zorgon on May 07, 2018, 12:10:08 AM
Here you go... BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT... and no fish eye lens :P
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PmYItnlY5M
What I want to know is how do I get a ride like that?
>:(
Cool... yes ,you have to go that altitude to see the curve . That's why it is extremely difficult to measure the curve of the earth on the surface , The curve is so slight on the surface that almost any method of measurement is going to appear flat .