Yahoo email issues and concerns.
Yahoo has today stopped me logging in to my email account unless I accpet their new conditions in ref to data privacy etc..and accept their cookies. which in the past I always try to decline to accept cookies.
Is doing this breaking our privacy with them...rather than the other way around ?
I thought they were supposed to be doing the opposite and preventing us being monitored or having to be sent ads..
or being spyed on...so they can then find things to send us..
I am not very happy in having to accept this in order to obtain use of my email account or alternatively loosing all my past emails and contacts..
I dont recalll getting a count down warning of this or at least a prior message this week to remind or warn me.
have I missed something ?
this is the message that the put up when you try to log in
has anyone got any suggestions on how I maybe able to get around this ?
seems they have become connected with this Oath company..
https://www.oath.com/en-gb/my-data/#meetoath
I dont want any of these monitoring my details or sending me ads for any products !
Was there some deadline for May 23rd in ref to data protection issues on companies like yahoo / FB ?
If not it seems as if they have just brought this in and if you dont accept you will loose your email use, contacts and email history..
They should att least allow us to obtain our contact list details without having to accept their conditions..
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Just a side note....all apps on my phone have started referencing a new terms and condition acceptance agreement. You have to accept to proceed.
Seems that there is a deadline Sgt ..of MAy 25th 2018.
I was partly aware of things being talked about GDPR since the Facebook issues, but not of a deadline for it.
Maybe many of the members here was already expecting it and its not seen as a concern, in the same way as it is to me.. as I feel that yahoo have more or less just brought it in without warning me before hand...
I still do not believe anything that they may tell us... I am sure they will still monitor and use our data..and probably still sell it...
GDPR gets a deadline: 25 May 2018
http://www.itpro.co.uk/data-protection/26476/gdpr-gets-a-deadline-25-may-2018
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The EU's General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) rules will become law from 25 May 2018, following the publication of the document's final draft.
Companies now have 24 months to implement the guidelines outlined in the document, including who is accountable for security and how data flows between EU countries and those outside the zone.
It is also asking companies to set up a breach notification process, so if data is stolen, the details will be provided to authorities in a timely manner so the consequences can be examined and relevant parties notified quickly.
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Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on May 24, 2018, 11:58:39 AM
Just a side note....all apps on my phone have started referencing a new terms and condition acceptance agreement. You have to accept to proceed.
I play a lot of games on my phone to pass the time and most prompted me to accept their T&C.
Yes, it's related to the EU's GDPR, that becomes active on May 25.
According to that new regulation, any entity that collects or processes personal data must tell people what data they collect and process, why they do it, if they share it with other entities and if they send it to a different country. They also need to tell their users that they have the right to know what data was collected, the right to update the data, to limit the processing of the data and to ask for the whole removal of personal data.
It also says that companies that do not follow the regulation may "be subject to administrative fines up to 20 000 000 EUR, or in the case of an undertaking, up to 4 % of the total worldwide annual turnover of the preceding financial year, whichever is higher".
PS: looking at my Yahoo inbox it shows that the first email I got about was sent on April 18.
PPS: next to the "I agree" button was a "I'll do it latter" button. I clicked that one. :)
I appreciate your research and comments into this ArMaP.
I know recall having some messages from yahoo probably the same as what you referred to... where I was able to select an alternative to do it later..But I was not really sure what it was to do with .. I just thought that they wanted me to use a newer version of yahoo which they have tried to persuade me on a few occasions before.
BUT the message I recieved today is totally different.
I have not clicked anything as yet... so I dont know what will happen.
I assumed that once I click it.. you have then given them permission.
It may however still an alternative..however I am doubtful
BUT I wonder if this will only be to May 25th..
May you were still able to click an alternative if you have not used yahoo since April... and next time you try to log in you may get the same message that I got... or maybe your country could differ for a different deadline.
I have a lot to loose if I do not accept if its my only option....as I really need some of my yahoo accounts..
whats annoyed me is maybe they have brought in too early without a good detailed prior warning as to what would happen...with a few days before the deadline..to ensure we took note..
Ideally I may wait to see if someone else has had the same message to me and see if they maybe able to inform others..who may write about it on some other type of forums...
If I chance clicking .... I suspect that its unlkely I will be given another possible alternative at this stage..
In the end I may have not choice other than to accept.. if I dont want to loose the accounts..
Also at the Moment I cannot even access yahoo.coms webpage..to use their search engines.....as when I click on it.. it just goes to the webpage that is asking me to click to accept...
(This is the same as what google did.... and I have never as yet even accepted google...so I cannot make use of their search engine either..
Ill have to try bing or MSN..
Mail .com at the moment seems ok to use that I recently signed upto.. but that may alter alter from May 25th.)
that may be down to the cookies when I 1st clicked on it earlier today..
I wonder if anyone else can visit yahoos website .. even if they have no account with them
Quote from: ArMaP on May 24, 2018, 08:37:09 PM
Yes, it's related to the EU's GDPR, that becomes active on May 25.
According to that new regulation, any entity that collects or processes personal data must tell people what data they collect and process, why they do it, if they share it with other entities and if they send it to a different country. They also need to tell their users that they have the right to know what data was collected, the right to update the data, to limit the processing of the data and to ask for the whole removal of personal data.
It also says that companies that do not follow the regulation may "be subject to administrative fines up to 20 000 000 EUR, or in the case of an undertaking, up to 4 % of the total worldwide annual turnover of the preceding financial year, whichever is higher".
PS: looking at my Yahoo inbox it shows that the first email I got about was sent on April 18.
PPS: next to the "I agree" button was a "I'll do it latter" button. I clicked that one. :)
When I get cookies my browser is set to DELETE THEM ALL when I close it out.
Hope that helps
That may be a alternative option Norval... or at least allow a way to stop them spying..
but I am not really sure wht may happen in terms of other aspeects, once you accept
I also have added some further comments on my prior reply..that at the moment I am unable to even visit yahoo . coms website.. as all that happens is I am taken back to the accept webpage..
Maybe all such similar websites are having to do this by this week...
has this included facebook ?
On another website that I use just to inform me about Television programmes...They show this message on their website... but I think I have an option to decline ... and on doing so I think I can stil access their website..
its just that the messge will appear until I clci one option to decline or the other to acccept..
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Quote from: Norval on May 24, 2018, 10:28:40 PM
When I get cookies my browser is set to DELETE THEM ALL when I close it out.
Hope that helps
Quote from: astr0144 on May 24, 2018, 10:03:13 PM
I appreciate your research and comments into this ArMaP.
I had to read the 88 page regulation to know how it affected the company where I work and a sister company. Yesterday I added a Privacy Policy to one of our sites and these last few weeks I had to review the sites we made (for us and other companies) to see if their use of cookies was in accordance with the GDPR.
QuoteI assumed that once I click it.. you have then given them permission.
From what I read on Yahoo's site that declaration does not cover all the possibilities of the GDPR (there's a lot of confusion about it still, even in big companies with dozens of lawyers), but the GDPR says that any person must be able to remove their consent as easily as he/she gave it.
QuoteMay you were still able to click an alternative if you have not used yahoo since April... and next time you try to log in you may get the same message that I got... or maybe your country could differ for a different deadline.
No, the deadline is May 25 for the whole world, as this new regulation applies to any company that interacts with EU citizens.
QuoteI have a lot to loose if I do not accept if its my only option....as I really need some of my yahoo accounts..
Imagine you didn't have to accept: they would be able to do whatever they wanted with your data, regardless of you knowing about it or not, so why don't you accept, since you want to keep on using their service?
QuoteAlso at the Moment I cannot even access yahoo.coms webpage..to use their search engines.....as when I click on it.. it just goes to the webpage that is asking me to click to accept...
That's strange, try to clear the cookies and the cache to see what happens.
Quote from: astr0144 on May 24, 2018, 10:43:41 PM
On another website that I use just to inform me about Television programmes...They show this message on their website... but I think I have an option to decline ... and on doing so I think I can stil access their website..
its just that the messge will appear until I clci one option to decline or the other to acccept..
That's a slightly different thing. Until now any of those "by continuing to use our site it means you accept our cookies" messages would be enough, now cookies that are not necessary for the functioning of the site must be explicitly accepted (or not). That's why they say that if you do not accept their cookies you will still see adverts but they will not be targeted specifically to you, as the lack of cookies support prevents them from having more information about you.
Quote from: astr0144 on May 24, 2018, 09:58:37 AM
have I missed something ?
Yes you have...
get a non yahoo email account :P I use earthlink
No issues I also have oodles of Pegasus emails available :P
Reply to ArMaP and Zorgon.
That must have been quite a ordeal and a bit of a headache for you ArMaP..
and quite a responsibilty if doing that for your company ! But its interesting that you have done it and also can offer some guidance to others if you are willing to offer your thoughts on it..
I believe many experts / lawyers etc are still not even fully clear on it as yet from what I seen or read somewhere.
QuoteI had to read the 88 page regulation to know how it affected the company where I work and a sister company. Yesterday I added a Privacy Policy to one of our sites and these last few weeks I had to review the sites we made (for us and other companies) to see if their use of cookies was in accordance with the GDPR.
Appreciate your comment on this... I dont know if your meaning that you think yahoo have not gone about this correctly..where maybe I should be able to see more info on the webpage that they referred to in ref to the info about me having to seem to have no other info or option , other than to accept..
QuoteFrom what I read on Yahoo's site that declaration does not cover all the possibilities of the GDPR (there's a lot of confusion about it still, even in big companies with dozens of lawyers), but the GDPR says that any person must be able to remove their consent as easily as he/she gave it.
If there is no alternative... then unless I want to loose all my yahoo accounts (which contain vital and seem very important information to me).... then I may have to accept..
BUT as its early days.... I am trying to see if anything may occur to challenge them... if they have made some error or obtain numerous complaints..
There is quite a lot on TV programs discussing it today ...but they have not really gone into much detail about certain or similar situations to what I am experiencing with yahoo at the moment..
QuoteImagine you didn't have to accept: they would be able to do whatever they wanted with your data, regardless of you knowing about it or not, so why don't you accept, since you want to keep on using their service?
I just checked for cookies ..but I am not sure which ones to clear or delete..
I am also not sure if one trying to select a specific ones (if I can determine which ones and find them)
On chrome cookies for eg.. you can delete all or select a specific one..
BUT upon selecting one... there seems no seperate option to delete that one... theres seems only a button above that says REMOVE ALL .... or one at the bottom saying Finished. on the settings section.
so if I try to select a specific one...to highlight it... It will not offer a option to just delete it...
It maybe if I click REMOVE ALL button... that may remove the one selected..
But I cannot select all like copying the cookie urls listed.. where or maybe say I wanted to seect 3 or 5 togther rather than just one..
AsI have never done this before and I have one who can advise me who may have done it.. I am wary of risking clicking on Remove all in case it deletes all my cookies...which I dont want to loose..
IF I post a link the URL that I think is for the cookie that I am looking to delete... that I now have ,when I try to visit yahoo . coms website... if you then click on it...
it may stop you being able to visit yahoo's website !
for some reason when i look thru my cookie list.... it does not show one with the url that now has taken over my yahoo url..
which now starts with this : guce.oath . com collectConsent?sessionId=3
It maybe if I delete the yahoo cookie.... that may reset things...
but at the moment I cannot find a cookie that I think relates to my problem url..
it may also be some sort of redirect...url..
what is a bit weird is I found this link using Bing to search for info on yahoo..
and I can read this url... but when I try and click on the other yahoo options listed at the top of the page ..such as news, finance etc ..it still takes me to the problem guce oath website page .
So I wonder why I able to open this policies website page..
https://policies.yahoo.com/ie/en/yahoo/privacy/euoathnoticefaq/
Google Chrome
How to delete cookies in Chrome
QuoteStep 5: Under 'Cookies', you will see 'All cookies and site data', click on this. Please note that you can block cookies altogether from being set on your browser by clicking 'Block sites from setting any data.' Unfortunately, many websites you browse will stop working if you do this. It is better if you just periodically clear your cookies manually instead of preventing them from being set by your browser.
Step 6: You will see a full listing of all your cookies. You can click REMOVE ALL to clear all your cookies or you can pick a particular website and clear your cookies from that site.
http://www.allaboutcookies.org/manage-cookies/clear-cookies-installed.html
QuoteThat's strange, try to clear the cookies and the cache to see what happens.
I recall some comments "Z " you have made in ref to Facebook... But I dont recall if there was a thread on a main discussion about GDPR in ref to other websites / email accounts like yahoo or google for eg.. etc at least until yesterday.
I did click on some thread yesterday and came across a discussion about GDPR that I think ArMaP had made comments about what he said in this thread... but I have now lost which thread it was..
I thought that it was maybe this one.. but on a quick browse thry the later pages I cannot seem to find what I thought that I read yesterday..
Re: "they know what you are doing"
So "Z" ... are you saying that you can supply email addresses to your members ?
can you supply details ?
So do you see the new data laws as still a threat to us in terms of how they may use our data ?
and have you stopped using certain such related google , yahoo FB, etc groups, forums, emails etc now..or changed more how you are willing to use them ?
Quote from: zorgon on May 25, 2018, 06:30:33 AM
Yes you have...
get a non yahoo email account :P I use earthlink
No issues I also have oodles of Pegasus emails available :P
Quote from: astr0144 on May 25, 2018, 12:00:31 PM
That must have been quite a ordeal and a bit of a headache for you ArMaP..
A little, I'm used to read legislation, the company where I work made and sells an invoicing program that has to follow several rules and laws.
QuoteI believe many experts / lawyers etc are still not even fully clear on it as yet from what I seen or read somewhere.
Yes, it looks like many people have only read parts of the regulation or are trusting what some sites say about it. I always prefer to read the legislation. :)
QuoteAppreciate your comment on this... I dont know if your meaning that you think yahoo have not gone about this correctly..where maybe I should be able to see more info on the webpage that they referred to in ref to the info about me having to seem to have no other info or option , other than to accept..
I think Yahoo is not apply the GDPR correctly, as it gives the user more rights than those they are talking about.
QuoteIf there is no alternative... then unless I want to loose all my yahoo accounts (which contain vital and seem very important information to me).... then I may have to accept..
It has always been like that, when you sign to any online service they tell you that conditions may change. If you don't like the changes you may leave.
QuoteBut I cannot select all like copying the cookie urls listed.. where or maybe say I wanted to seect 3 or 5 togther rather than just one..
I'm not familiar with Chrome's cookie management, how do you get there?
You seem to have a job involving many skills and education topics ArMaP , maybe even some legal training !
Maybe appropriate to monitoring the type of Forums that you keep check on !
QuoteA little, I'm used to read legislation, the company where I work made and sells an invoicing program that has to follow several rules and laws.
Yes, it looks like many people have only read parts of the regulation or are trusting what some sites say about it. I always prefer to read the legislation. :)
It maybe a question are they doing their clients any more favor (or not) than would be expected from the regulations of pure GDPR..
QuoteI think Yahoo is not apply the GDPR correctly, as it gives the user more rights than those they are talking about.
Some details were in one of the links I posted..however if you never use chrome or do not wish to do so... it would be difficult to try to explain if you are unable to see what I maybe trying to explain and refer to..
I think you would need to see a screen shot of what one sees when they open the relevant page needed to delete the cokkies where they are all listed..
and also unless you have previously done it yourself... its probably to hard to make a guess as to what one may have to do just to find one specific and delete one cookie.... without the risk of clicking on something that says Remove ALL which seems the only option to click on... As I say.. when you just select one.. maybe by clicking the "Remove all" button, may just remove the one selected... rather than deleting all that are listed..
unfortunately the link does not show a image...of what I refer to..maybe I maybe able to find one if you are still not sure....
Found this ! :)
(http://cdn.osxdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/delete-site-specific-cookies-chrome-1.jpg)
so when it shows the top cookie selected... you can see a button above that says "Remove all" ..
It maybe when you click it... that it will just remove the one selected... Would you think that is probably the case ?
It probably is .... but I thought that they should have had another button to select for individual selections..
as usually similar things also allow removal of all in one step...or with a confirmation as the step after..
where it shows an X in a red box.... that you think could delete that one selection... I could not see it when I looked at that page ! unless its hidden some way .. maybe I need to recheck...
ON doing so..... I have to apologise... I can see the X when I select or put my mouse on set cookie..
So I assume maybe you can just click the X to delete it...
BUT even so.... I still am not sure what the cookie is that I want to remove....and until I know which one... I will remain in the same situation... other than to accept ..
I have noted that I have aout 10 different yahoo cookies... maybe I should all them to try it.. one at a time..
but as I say.. I cannot find any cookie for the other page that I get taken to when I try to visits yahoos web page..
along the lines of this...
guce.oath . com collectConsent?sessionId=3
but this is the basis explanation of it.. as shown half way down on this web page.
http://www.allaboutcookies.org/manage-cookies/clear-cookies-installed.html
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Google Chrome
How to delete cookies in Chrome
Step 1: At the top right side of your browser toolbar, click on the Chrome icon
Step 2: Click on Settings
Step 3: Scroll to the bottom and click 'Show advanced settings'
Step 4: Under 'Privacy', you will see 'Content Settings', click on this
Step 5: Under 'Cookies', you will see 'All cookies and site data', click on this. Please note that you can block cookies altogether from being set on your browser by clicking 'Block sites from setting any data.' Unfortunately, many websites you browse will stop working if you do this. It is better if you just periodically clear your cookies manually instead of preventing them from being set by your browser.
Step 6: You will see a full listing of all your cookies. You can click REMOVE ALL to clear all your cookies or you can pick a particular website and clear your cookies from that site.
QuoteI'm not familiar with Chrome's cookie management, how do you get there?
Not sure if "Z" noticed my last reply...in ref to his prior reply..
QuoteI recall some comments "Z " you have made in ref to Facebook... But I dont recall if there was a thread on a main discussion about GDPR in ref to other websites / email accounts like yahoo or google for eg.. etc at least until yesterday.
I did click on some thread yesterday and came across a discussion about GDPR that I think ArMaP had made comments about what he said in this thread... but I have now lost which thread it was..
I thought that it was maybe this one.. but on a quick browse thry the later pages I cannot seem to find what I thought that I read yesterday..
Re: "they know what you are doing"
So "Z" ... are you saying that you can supply email addresses to your members ?
can you supply details ?
So do you see the new data laws as still a threat to us in terms of how they may use our data ?
and have you stopped using certain such related google , yahoo FB, etc groups, forums, emails etc now..or changed more how you are willing to use them ?
Quotehave I missed something ?
Yes you have...
get a non yahoo email account :P I use earthlink
No issues I also have oodles of Pegasus emails available :P
On a related side note....
I wanted to set up another email account using mail .com and did not want to do it from my home location as I suspect that even though you may think setting it up from home that they dont record your ISP... I think that it maybe trackable..
but with mail .com.. I dont think that if you set up and email account with them... generally you do so using very false info and not have to give any other email or mobile details to do so... at least at present..
so I went to a local supermarket that has wifi and i have used ok before.. and attempted to set up my mail dot com email account..
but on trying to set it up.... I found that I was unable to access many websites.. and they seemed to have blocked the ability for me to access several websites... I am not sure why his maybe.. but I have seen similar at other free wifi locations..
I then went to another free wifi location and was abe to set up a mail dot com email account..
I tred to set up a few others... BUT I found that if I did not get the right selected info correct including finding a email address not taken.. I ony got two attempts to obtain one.. and after that.... I got locked out by them..
and there was a message saying try again later.... Ive had this before and sometimes its not just later in the same day.. but some days later before you can set one up..
but if you select a email already taken... and try for another.. you have to reenter password details every time..
and after so many attempts to find an un used email.... they lock you out...
but at least if mail dot com reord your location.... its not your home ISP..
and it seems my ISP seems to always suggest that I am in different location to what I am when at home...
in an area over 100 miles away from me..
so its seems my provider may also be using a type of proxy.. or maybe its just where there server is rather than my direct home location..
Quote from: astr0144 on May 25, 2018, 11:31:59 PM
You seem to have a job involving many skills and education topics ArMaP , maybe even some legal training !
Maybe appropriate to monitoring the type of Forums that you keep check on !
I'm a programmer, whenever I'm tasked with making a program I need to know all I can about that topic. As for legal training I have none, only my usual nitpicking nature. ;)
QuoteIt maybe a question are they doing their clients any more favor (or not) than would be expected from the regulations of pure GDPR..
They are not giving their clients all the rights they have under the GDPR.
QuoteSome details were in one of the links I posted..however if you never use chrome or do not wish to do so... it would be difficult to try to explain if you are unable to see what I maybe trying to explain and refer to..
I do use Chrome, but it's a little confusing when dealing with cookies.
QuoteIt maybe when you click it... that it will just remove the one selected... Would you think that is probably the case ?
It looks like it removes all cookies for the domain we choose but not individual cookies.
To have access to individual cookies, try this:
- right click anywhere on the page;
- choose the "inspect" option (the last one) on the pop-up menu;
- when the new window appears, click on the "application" tab. You will see, on the left side, a panel with several options, one of them being "Cookies". Expand that option to see all the domains used by the cookies on that page;
- if you click on one domain you will see all the cookies set for that domain on that page;
- by clicking on one cookie you can delete just that one by clicking the "X" button above the cookies list.
QuoteI wanted to set up another email account using mail .com and did not want to do it from my home location as I suspect that even though you may think setting it up from home that they dont record your ISP... I think that it maybe trackable..
Any site you visit has access to your IP address (considered personal data by the GDPR), and from that they can know your ISP.
QuoteI tred to set up a few others... BUT I found that if I did not get the right selected info correct including finding a email address not taken.. I ony got two attempts to obtain one.. and after that.... I got locked out by them..
That's probably to avoid bots creating accounts.
Quoteand it seems my ISP seems to always suggest that I am in different location to what I am when at home...
in an area over 100 miles away from me..
Geolocation by IP address is more a guess than a certainty. Most of the time, when a site tries to find where I am it says I'm some 300 km from where I really am. :)
I am not too sure about following this ArMaP
when you say Right click anywhere on the page...
do you mean on the yahoo directed related problem webpage that I refer to? or within a relevant google chrome options page..
on trying both so far ... I can find or select the "Inspect option ' but it then shows parts of the page on the right hand side as sort of html related info.. is that the new window appearing ? if so I cannot see an application tab..
so maybe it is some other option or maybe your using a different version of google chrome to me
QuoteIt looks like it removes all cookies for the domain we choose but not individual cookies.
To have access to individual cookies, try this:
- right click anywhere on the page;
- choose the "inspect" option (the last one) on the pop-up menu;
- when the new window appears, click on the "application" tab. You will see, on the left side, a panel with several options, one of them being "Cookies". Expand that option to see all the domains used by the cookies on that page;
- if you click on one domain you will see all the cookies set for that domain on that page;
- by clicking on one cookie you can delete just that one by clicking the "X" button above the cookies list.
That maybe so... but in the case of me setting up the account from a different location from my home..
if they record that ISP location.. it would not be to my home ISP location...
OK they can note my home location if I then visit their site from my home maybe rather than the suggested server location maybe..
BUT can they prove that I would have been the person to had set up that email address.. ?
I dont think they can... ?
so if someone then used that email address for what ever reason... no one one could refer me to being the owner of it if at any time it was used in a concerning way.... or used to send spam... or some bad type message..
QuoteAny site you visit has access to your IP address (considered personal data by the GDPR), and from that they can know your ISP.
Quote from: astr0144 on May 26, 2018, 01:41:24 AM
I am not too sure about following this ArMaP
when you say Right click anywhere on the page...
do you mean on the yahoo directed related problem webpage that I refer to? or within a relevant google chrome options page..
The Yahoo page.
Quoteon trying both so far ... I can find or select the "Inspect option ' but it then shows parts of the page on the right hand side as sort of html related info.. is that the new window appearing ? if so I cannot see an application tab..
It should look like this:
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/Yahoo1.jpg)
QuoteBUT can they prove that I would have been the person to had set up that email address.. ?
I dont think they can... ?
No, only your ISP can know who was using that IP address at that time. A court order can force the ISP to give that information to the authorities, but Yahoo does not have access to it.
Quoteso if someone then used that email address for what ever reason... no one one could refer me to being the owner of it if at any time it was used in a concerning way.... or used to send spam... or some bad type message..
There are some anonymous email services that use proxies (or TOR) to make it almost impossible to find the location of the user.
Thanks for explaining, confirming the webpage and posting the image...that helped !
On seeing the image ... I assume now you may have also now been redirected to that page maybe when you now try to log into yahoo ?
or did you just find the exact url to it from the part url that I posted ?
When I follow what you show in the image... I get a slighly different looking page...
and the application option is not shown as a tab in th way that you view it..
I have to click on a resources option to then find the Cookies option..it then shows a application option also..
but I find the cookie option without going thru application...
under the cookies it then show a ref to the guse oath .com webpage and when I select it (guse oath)... I get a message saying that there is no cookies for that web page ! ??? and it does not seem to refer to anything else..
that does not seem to make any sence as the guse oath description is under the cookies selection... but on clicking that... on the right part of the page a message says "this site has no cookies "
QuoteThe Yahoo page.
In the case that I used a Supermarkets ISP (NOT my HOME ISP) I was able to set up a MAIL .com email account..
(Nothing to do with yahoo) So what I am trying to explain is IF MAIL.com were to record the ISP upon me setting up that email account at that time... it would only monitor the supermarkets ISP and not my home ISP..
thats what I am trying to explain... ( or maybe mail . com do not record ISP info from their email user clients... )
that I am unsure about... but I suspect that they may do !
but yes if I then log in to that email account from my home then they may also detect my home ISP as well..
but can they prove that I am the creator of that account ? Not if I set it up on the supermarkets ISP.. rather than my own..
if I used that account from my home...to say send spam or something of concern... then yes they could detect my home ISP and request a court order to get that or my info from my ISP...
QuoteNo, only your ISP can know who was using that IP address at that time. A court order can force the ISP to give that information to the authorities, but Yahoo does not have access to it.
Quote from: astr0144 on May 26, 2018, 02:58:58 AM
On seeing the image ... I assume now you may have also now been redirected to that page maybe when you now try to log into yahoo ?
or did you just find the exact url to it from the part url that I posted ?
I deleted all my Yahoo related cookies and when I try to log in I get a different message, with two options "OK" and "manage options", and it says that if I don't accept I wouldn't be able to access their sites and apps.
It looks like deleting all the cookies did a reset to my situation, so now I'm in the same situation as you.
I chose the "manage options" button and after choosing a second option (I don't remember how it was called) I got to a page showing all the companies that may send adverts. I deselect them all, so I should not get targeted adverts.
QuoteWhen I follow what you show in the image... I get a slighly different looking page...
and the application option is not shown as a tab in th way that you view it..
That's strange.
Quoteunder the cookies it then show a ref to the guse oath .com webpage and when I select it (guse oath)... I get a message saying that there is no cookies for that web page ! ??? and it does not seem to refer to anything else..
that does not seem to make any sence as the guse oath description is under the cookies selection... but on clicking that... on the right part of the page a message says "this site has no cookies "
It's possible that there's a hidden link to that page but the page isn't really creating any cookies.
Quotebut yes if I then log in to that email account from my home then they may also detect my home ISP as well..
but can they prove that I am the creator of that account ? Not if I set it up on the supermarkets ISP.. rather than my own..
If you successfully logged in then you know the password, so they can
assume you are the same person that created the account.
Quoteif I used that account from my home...to say send spam or something of concern... then yes they could detect my home ISP and request a court order to get that or my info from my ISP...
Yes. Most people don't need to be afraid of being targeted, as they do nothing that grabs the ISPs' or other companies' attentions, they have more things to do than to try to follow all their users.
On a quick reply ArMaP (maybe with little thought at the moment)
I am not sure what to think to your first reply ! and I was not really aware of what you may have done inbetween our messages... BUT I did not want you to end up in this situation if initially you had not been affected by it as you indicated in the early stage of your comments on this thread..
I also tried to indicate to you ( in an earlier post.) ...maybe not to chance opening the problem link that I posted...for guse oath...incase that then led you to having the same issues as me and that you may not had been able to even view yahoos webpage..
But it seems that you have looked into some of the things we discussed and took action to remove your own yahoo cookies... (Probably to try to help and advise me) but unfortunately have now ended up in my same situation..
and I suspect that you did not want that to happen at the early stages...or to be forced to accept maybe at this stage...
as I was hoping if we held on... that we may have found some other info online that may have discussed the issues we now both have..so I am sorry if thats happened if that is the case.
I am also wondering what would have happed to your yahoo account if you would have logged in again AFTER May 25th.. to see if you would have been still able to access your emails normal as before...
Was it your prior cookies preventing you getting to the stage where I was...? or was it as you had not logged in for sometime when you 1st replied and I assume was able to still have logged in to yahoo.. or maybe still been able to view their webpage... as long as maybe you had not logged into your email account... as I only lost my view of their webpage AFTER I had ATTEMPTED to log into yahoo... as thats when th new page showed up after id clicked to log in after it had JUST PRIOR logged me out as I was already initially still logged in on the day it occurred..
so its like all of a sudden at one specific time that day... they decided to log me out.. (which does happen every now and again and has done so on and off over the years) SO I assumed that all I had to do was relog back in ..
but then after entering my email address.. it then asks for password... so on entering PW.... it then transferred me to the problem new guse oath web page...
unless of course the issues have not bothered you !
But thanks for informing me what actions that you have taken so far...
I wonder if you had managed to save the cookies urls if you could have replaced them back and if you could then revisit yahoos webpage as it was before ? or reset your computer back what ever time since you deleted the cookies..
If it has not bothered you to accept the new yahoo option.... and you think it is possible to opt for them not to monitor you or send other unwanted emails to you (or from their other related contacts)...
then are you now ok to use yahoo as it was before ? ie see their website ok and log in to you email account.. and does it appear to be the same.. or do or have you notice/ed some changes as yet..
QuoteI deleted all my Yahoo related cookies and when I try to log in I get a different message, with two options "OK" and "manage options", and it says that if I don't accept I wouldn't be able to access their sites and apps.
It looks like deleting all the cookies did a reset to my situation, so now I'm in the same situation as you.
I chose the "manage options" button and after choosing a second option (I don't remember how it was called) I got to a page showing all the companies that may send adverts. I deselect them all, so I should not get targeted adverts.
I can only suspect that we have a different version...and maybe you have a more updated version of Google Chrome.
or maybe its also because I am using a different operating system to you..ie such as if one is still using older versions of windows like for eg... Windows XP.
QuoteThat's strange.
Possibly... I think I am aware that some files can be hidden ones.. but it makes it difficult to find what urls cookies that the hidden ones maybe... unless its possible to tell from say a source code..
QuoteIt's possible that there's a hidden link to that page but the page isn't really creating any cookies.
Yes ...Thats my mistake in not considering that !... so I suppose the only way around it is not to log in that account from ones home unless they use a proxy server.. I slipped up in my thinking..
but I have noted in the past when I have tried proxys.. that often I have a problem being able to log into my email account that I want to use proxy for.. probably due to an issue with my computer...that runs poorly in somethings..
QuoteIf you successfully logged in then you know the password, so they can assume you are the same person that created the account.
That maybe the case... but I suppose that even though you can set up and email account using another ISP where even if they monitor that as you sign up.... if then later log in say from home... that may then be monitored..
or if there was some issue from an email that I had sent...and it was from my home... then whoever could track down my ISP.... unless I had used a proxy to protect my home ISP being recorded .
They only be able to track however if you have sent an email from ones home ISP... and not tell if you had just logged in to say check incoming emails...or maybe when you open an email they could monitor that as well..but again if using a proxy... that should prevent them recording ones home ISP..
It can can get rather complex thinking about such things..
but I am sort of checking as I am aware that some marketers have ways of sending emails and knowing if you open them... so I assume some email companies may have and use that same technology if they want to do.
QuoteYes. Most people don't need to be afraid of being targeted, as they do nothing that grabs the ISPs' or other companies' attentions, they have more things to do than to try to follow all their users.
Quote from: astr0144 on May 26, 2018, 01:46:27 PM
unless of course the issues have not bothered you !
They haven't. :) That's why I didn't have any problem messing with the cookies, I knew something like that could happen.
I don't even remember why I have an Yahoo account. :)
QuoteBut thanks for informing me what actions that you have taken so far...
No problem. :)
QuoteI wonder if you had managed to save the cookies urls if you could have replaced them back and if you could then revisit yahoos webpage as it was before ? or reset your computer back what ever time since you deleted the cookies..
In theory, if I have saved the cookies (cookies are just small text files, so they can be copied like any other file, when we know where to find them) and restored them after then everything could go back as it was, unless the cookies' content had some kind of unique ID that was replaced by a new one when the new cookies were created.
PS: that's how it works, cookies are stored on the user's machine while something equivalent is stored on the site's server, so they can match the user to the account again just by reading the cookie.
QuoteIf it has not bothered you to accept the new yahoo option.... and you think it is possible to opt for them not to monitor you or send other unwanted emails to you (or from their other related contacts)...
then are you now ok to use yahoo as it was before ? ie see their website ok and log in to you email account.. and does it appear to be the same.. or do or have you notice/ed some changes as yet..
Yes, I'm OK with it, I don't have problems with sites trying to do know what I do online. In fact, with the GDPR we have the power to tell them to stop, and if they do not then we can complain about their actions.
QuoteI can only suspect that we have a different version...and maybe you have a more updated version of Google Chrome.
or maybe its also because I am using a different operating system to you..ie such as if one is still using older versions of windows like for eg... Windows XP.
Maybe. I use Chrome version 66.0.3359.181 on Windows 10.
Quotebut I have noted in the past when I have tried proxys.. that often I have a problem being able to log into my email account that I want to use proxy for.. probably due to an issue with my computer...that runs poorly in somethings..
Most proxies are slow because they are being used by many people at the same time, so free accounts get limitations.
QuoteThey only be able to track however if you have sent an email from ones home ISP... and not tell if you had just logged in to say check incoming emails...or maybe when you open an email they could monitor that as well..but again if using a proxy... that should prevent them recording ones home ISP..
All sites record accesses, and if you log in to a site then that login may be recorded in their database, so just logging in to check emails is enough for them to have a record of that, and, at least, they record IP address and browser used.
Quotebut I am sort of checking as I am aware that some marketers have ways of sending emails and knowing if you open them... so I assume some email companies may have and use that same technology if they want to do.
That works because they use, for example, an image on the email, but the image, instead of being embedded on the email is a link to a site they control. When you open the email and your browser/email program shows the image, what is happening is that you are contacting that site's server, so your access (asking for that image) is recorded.
I have used that method to see if someone on a forum was from where she said she was, I sent her a private message with a transparent GIF stored on my own server just to get her IP address. :)
Thats a relief ! that you are ok with it !
I was starting to feel guilty that I led you to the situation... not intentionally thou !
But thanks for explaining and clarifying things so far.
I am not sure yet if I will imediately follow you in accepting things.. as I may await to see if anyone on other forums may comment more on the situation at least for a few more days...
but nothing is said further I will probably have to give in and accept or risking loosing my accounts.
Will add more comments if think of more to say or I become aware of further info.
It maybe we are the only two members that have such accounts ! at least you dont have any concerns or much to loose as I do.. ???
QuoteThey haven't. :) That's why I didn't have any problem messing with the cookies, I knew something like that could happen.
I don't even remember why I have an Yahoo account. :)
QuoteNo problem. :)
Its good when you know some of such things and how they work... which many may not be aware about...
and can be good if you know how to apply some of it if you need to consider doing so..
Crafty ArMaP ! :)
Quote
I have used that method to see if someone on a forum was from where she said she was, I sent her a private message with a transparent GIF stored on my own server just to get her IP address. :)
Yahoo is a VIRUS :P
Do you see all similar types forums as being Viruses "Z" inc FB
FB and other forums I believe have now done similar to Yahoo where you have to submit to their GDPR conditions...
On trying to find comments made by yahoo members.. I struggled to find anything where people are complaining..
but this is something that I found that shows some of the concerns and thoughts that some yahoo members have about GDPR...
Is Yahoo now a part of OATH or is this fraud?
this is one recent comment...
QuoteYou are absolutely correct. On top of that, what makes it worse is after you spend hours wading through all the topic links and options, making selections for your settings, THERE IS NO SELECTION to "APPLY" or "SAVE" all those settings. You can only "GO BACK" repeatedly untill you get to the origional page where you can only "ACCEPT" or "I'LL DO THIS LATER". However now, I have received an email stating that unless I soon "ACCEPT" I will not be able access my email.
This whole mess was recated when AT&T got in bed with YAHOO, for me at least. My email has been through AT&T for over 25 years all the way back to the Bell South days. There is no way I want to change because I have had the same email address. Now that YAHOO hooked up with Verizon, a major AT&T competitor, AT&T has split away from YAHOO, but unbelievably, their email is still under the control of YAHOO who is now in bed with Verizon and others forming OATH. WHAT A MESS.
I will not agree to having all my emails scanned, pop-ups, and targeted ads forced down my throat because of their fishing.
They need to create a TOTAL OPT OUT of this crap.
https://forums.yahoo.net/t5/Other-products/Is-Yahoo-now-a-part-of-OATH-or-is-this-fraud/td-p/496000/page/4
Quote from: zorgon on May 27, 2018, 09:19:30 AM
Yahoo is a VIRUS :P
Quote from: astr0144 on May 31, 2018, 08:59:08 PM
Do you see all similar types forums as being Viruses "Z" inc FB
No Facebook and Twitter are Mind Control Sites They use subliminal coding to keep you there.
They are all however a BLIGHT on Humanity. People used to get outside and socialize now they hide in their caves and get vitamin D deficiency
QuoteFB and other forums I believe have now done similar to Yahoo where you have to submit to their GDPR conditions...
Yes they all are requiring you to use your REAL NAME so they can hold you liable for things you say. They want your driver's license on file so they can find you if they need to send the cops to nab you
QuoteOn trying to find comments made by yahoo members.. I struggled to find anything where people are complaining..
Mindless sheep don't complain... the ones that see what is happening leave... That is why posting of FB these days is an effort in futility. I have only a few friends left there worth talking to The flat earther's, chemtrail nuts and UFO experiencers have taken over. Sanity has left the building
They may use such subliminal technology "Z"
but the likes of FB offer things like groups similar to what yahoo offers... in which you can use the groups in a similar way to what you can other forums to some degree in terms of at least communicatng with a group of like minded people of similar interests.
for things like that I really dont think you should need to agree with their GDPR rubbish..
Quote
No Facebook and Twitter are Mind Control Sites They use subliminal coding to keep you there.
They are all however a BLIGHT on Humanity. People used to get outside and socialize now they hide in their caves and get vitamin D deficiency
I can see that they now want you to agree to there version of GDPR... ie to now clcik an accept button..
and I have read that they wee aiming to want ID or obtain ones real name etc..
but have they brought that in now !
Many people use false name accounts... so are you now saying that they want you to prove who you are ?
or can you still just clcik and accept and still gain access under ones false name ? at least for the time being !
what if one does not have a driving licence ? or I have lost my Birth certificate.... what other things would they require ?
and has all PRC members agreed to giving them such details as yet !
or is there some date set for the future to require this ?
Quote
Yes they all are requiring you to use your REAL NAME so they can hold you liable for things you say. They want your driver's license on file so they can find you if they need to send the cops to nab you
In ref to following the likes of John Lear... or John posting to lots of his followers...
or if you have built up many friends, are you now saying that you loose all that unless you now accept there new rules an accept GDPR ? and that you have to then give proof who you are ?
Quote
Mindless sheep don't complain... the ones that see what is happening leave... That is why posting of FB these days is an effort in futility. I have only a few friends left there worth talking to The flat earther's, chemtrail nuts and UFO experiencers have taken over. Sanity has left the building
'Bad advice' behind blizzard of GDPR compliance emails, claims top data protection lawyer.
I thought that maybe more would have been said about the GDPR issues either from yahoo or Facebook... maybe to have further questioned it.... but it seems overall very little else has been said to challenge it..
I found this article however thatI think was along sort of views or concerns... that really in many cases its done a lot of harm or some parts did not need to be applied or done.... as well or as much as some parts of it maybe positive more good points...
I have not used yahoo or FB since they made these changes.... but as nothing has seemed to have further opposed things.... it seems that we have no other short term choice if we wish to use these services..
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Dr Kuan Hon criticises GDPR consent emails that will only eviscerate marketing databases and 'media misinformation'
'Bad advice' behind blizzard of GDPR compliance emails, claims top data protection lawyer
Kuan Hon presenting on a Computing GDPR web seminar last year
Dr Kuan Hon, one of the top data protection lawyers in the UK, has criticised organisations for the wave of GDPR opt-in emails sent over the past few weeks and claimed that they are, in most cases, unnecessary.
Hon blames "bad advice being given by non-data protection experts, not helped by media misinformation about the GDPR, all at levels that seem unprecedented".
She continued: "The proliferation of unnecessary emails asking people to reconfirm their 'consent' to receive future communications: most of those have only resulted in organisations losing large parts of their marketing databases when they didn't need to."
Even reputable publications - such as the Financial Times and Wired - had perpetuated myths about GDPR, she added.
"The most prevalent one is that 'Under the GDPR you can't process personal data without explicit consent'. That is wrong. There needs to be a 'legal basis' to process personal data, but consent is not the only legal basis. And purely personal use, for example, your personal address book, is exempt.
"Another common myth is that 'Anyone can ask for all their personal data to be deleted', but this 'right to be forgotten' only applies in certain situations, it is not an absolute right. Similarly with the right to data portability."
Hon has spoken in the past about how GDPR has been used as a cash cow by some vendors. "My biggest concern is that lots of companies, including SMEs, have forked out a lot of money for the wrong advice that may even harm them - as in the re-consenting case."
Increasingly, added Hon, GDPR and data protection issues will become a feature of mergers and acquisitions. "Due diligence on security and data protection, to detect breaches at the target [company], will be hugely important. Because, as is evident from some well-known breaches, the acquisition price can be greatly affected."
Verizon, for example, negotiated a $350 million discount in the price that it paid for Yahoo's online assets when it finally completed its acquisition last year.
"This applies not just to security issues, but also, for example, databases where the personal data may not have been validly collected by the target for the intended use.
"Also, post acquisition work will be vital - making sure that systems and databases are properly integrated and tested to ensure compliance going forward," said Hon.
Kuan Hon is the author of the legal guide, Data Localization Laws and Policy, available from Amazon and other book retailers
https://www.v3.co.uk/v3-uk/news/3033078/bad-advice-behind-blizzard-of-gdpr-compliance-emails-claims-top-data-protection-lawyer