Kerry and how Camelot evolved and Kerry's views on esoteric matters'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwHY_fZv5HI&list=PLURHNoP_pCEg-5axkk_ViayUjQo6p3hKw&index=3
*disclaimer - I don't fully buy into everything Kerry speaks about on this video.
Cheers!
Fans'
That was quite a jumbled up mish mash strewn about in this video, mainly due to Robert David Steele and his methodology; I stopped it about 15 minutes into the vid because Kerry couldn't complete a thought or make a coherent answer due to Steele constantly interrupting her...
Most of what they attempted to cover is in the current Ufology circus, the secret space program, 10,000 people living on mars, nordic aliens from the Pleades and Orion, super soldiers, Nazi elements in government and Antartica, and so on and so forth, being tossed out with a machinegun and a snow shovel...
a great example of chaos and confusion 8)
yep, that interview technique sucked, but it was the first time I heard how she got started, there was 1 nugget that rang a cosmic bell for me though Seeker and that was the statement that we have multiple self's that are reincarnated across many realms.. some of the stuff was interesting as well, but yes RDS could have done a better job for sure.
Cheers!
Fans' :)
Additional to the above -
Also the info on the Vatican, without offending any practicing Catholic or those into Religion, and trying not to bang on about rampant paedophilia, they called their telescope Lucifer - someone has a great sense of humour at the Vatican it would seem.
https://redice.tv/news/vatican-tied-mount-graham-observatory-launches-lucifer-telescope
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=12697
They have 85 Kilometers of ancient texts/books etc (if the sources are to be believed)
https://www.theguardian.com/books/gallery/2010/sep/08/vatican-secret-archives-pope
http://www.ancient-origins.net/artifacts-ancient-writings/what-really-lies-hidden-vatican-secret-archives-007468
With rumours and speculation that there are also documents and texts that are off-limits but contain information and data that would rock the religious world - without proper links or testimony I cant verify the claims sadly.
So when Kerry made mention of the Vatican in the above I could accept what she was saying.
I am going to go back and watch the video again as I watched it at 5:30am UK time so I wasn't fully awake, and see if I can pick out any other tidbits of info that ring a bell with me.
Cheers,
Fans' :)
Quote from: The Seeker on June 04, 2018, 07:35:21 AM
I stopped it about 15 minutes into the vid because Kerry couldn't complete a thought or make a coherent answer due to Steele constantly interrupting her...
That wouldn't bother me. Kerry was the main reason why I stopped watching PC. I don't think I've encountered another human being who was more obsessed with the sound of their own voice. There were so many times when I would yell at my screen for her to shut up, because I wanted to listen to the person she was interviewing, and NOT her.
QuoteMost of what they attempted to cover is in the current Ufology circus, the secret space program, 10,000 people living on mars, nordic aliens from the Pleades and Orion, super soldiers, Nazi elements in government and Antartica, and so on and so forth, being tossed out with a machinegun and a snow shovel...
This is the other problem. It's all completely unverifiable, incoherent BS which doesn't mean anything. I wish I understood why anyone still wastes their time with ufology.
Hi Petrus,
I just lost 20 minuets of typing a response to your Q about why people follow Ufology but my pc threw a hissy fit and I lost my work Grrr..
So I will try and answer your question about why I follow UFO and other esoteric subjects - and I am not trying to be clever or glib, but this clip with Trinity speaking with Neo from the Matrix in the club scene is one reason I follow the topic of UFO's etc -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXeF1rMkpQw
Peace out...
Fans' :)
Quote from: fansongecho on June 04, 2018, 05:07:23 PM
Also the info on the Vatican, without offending any practicing Catholic or those into Religion, and trying not to bang on about rampant paedophilia, they called their telescope Lucifer - someone has a great sense of humour at the Vatican it would seem.
Lucifer means "bringer of light" and was also the name of Venus in the morning.
QuoteThey have 85 Kilometers of ancient texts/books etc (if the sources are to be believed)
No surprises there, any 400 year old archive from an organisation that loves bureaucracy would be big. :)
Lisbon's archive has 22 km, the archive of the Portuguese fascist youth organisation, "Mocidade Portuguesa", that lasted only 38 years, has 1.25 kilometres.
Also, archives are measured in linear metres, so if you have a bookcase with 8 shelves and each shelf is one metre long then you have an 8 linear metre bookcase, so although the amount of information is big, the size of the archive is not as big as it sounds. :)
PS: I know what I'm talking about, as I have been working with archives for more than 20 years.
QuoteWith rumours and speculation that there are also documents and texts that are off-limits but contain information and data that would rock the religious world - without proper links or testimony I cant verify the claims sadly.
I'm sure there are. :)
QuoteSo when Kerry made mention of the Vatican in the above I could accept what she was saying.
I'm also sure that's why people keep on talking about the Vatican's archives, as it's a sure way of grabbing people's attentions. :)
Thanks ArMaP, for clarification
re Lucifer, back in my early childhood, I lived in a tiny village that had 2 chapels and 1 14th Century Church, and the villagers, including my adopted parents were all very religious, and I learnt very early on that Lucifer was one of the alternate names for the devil, and was always associated with evil - maybe this was just my village ? it wasn't until later that I became aware the name had other associations.
It may be obvious, but I dont trust any and all religious orders, any more than I trust the "establishment", or the military industrial/intelligence complex, so I do think that someone who named that telescope was indeed laughing out loud when they made that acronym up for their telescope -
I recall listening to Malachie Marten on Coast-2-Coast a number of times, and on the later shows he seemed to be concerned for his safety, I will see if I can dig out the shows and ping you a link ArMaP.
https://thewildvoice.org/lucifer-vatican-malachi-martin/
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/one-man-close-to-the-pope-responsible-for-so-much-evil-in-the-vatican
https://padrepioandchiesaviva.com/Satan_in_the_Vatican.html
https://ffrf.org/faq/feeds/item/18500-the-scandal-of-pedophilia-in-the-church
Also I see a awful symmetry with the subjects of Pedophilia in the RC religion, the name of that telescope, and satanism in the vatican - I cant prove anything of course, but when you see the reports about priests who were involved in historical child abuse across many many countries, it doesn take to much to start connecting the dots.
Cheers!
Fans'
Quote from: fansongecho on June 05, 2018, 06:30:43 AM
I recall listening to Malachie Marten on Coast-2-Coast a number of times, and on the later shows he seemed to be concerned for his safety, I will see if I can dig out the shows and ping you a link ArMaP.
Thanks, but I'm not interested.
QuoteAlso I see a awful symmetry with the subjects of Pedophilia in the RC religion, the name of that telescope, and satanism in the vatican - I cant prove anything of course, but when you see the reports about priests who were involved in historical child abuse across many many countries, it doesn take to much to start connecting the dots.
No, it doesn't take much to start "connecting the dots", but do the dots really exist? :)
For me, those dots are very real ArMaP... As are the documented cases, and victims' of the abuse, rape and torture buddy.
Quote from: fansongecho on June 05, 2018, 10:35:27 PM
For me, those dots are very real ArMaP... As are the documented cases, and victims' of the abuse, rape and torture buddy.
I agree with fans' on this ArMaP, the dots exist, too many documented cases and piles of evidence, too many people coming forward testifying against members of the RCC...
@Fans': see if you can locate the shows with Father Malachi Martin and provide the links, please, I also listened to him several times on Coast before his passing...
8)
Quote from: ArMaP on June 05, 2018, 08:41:46 PM
Thanks, but I'm not interested.
No, it doesn't take much to start "connecting the dots", but do the dots really exist? :)
Armap, as far as I am concerned, there is vast circumstantial evidence to suggest that the Catholic church has contained an undercurrent of satanism which was almost as prevalent as Christianity itself.
I am not among those people who believe that Catholicism should be completely abolished; I think the church has, and continues to make valuable contributions to human wellbeing. I also believe that the church has enormous artistic value as well.
Yet while I remind people to remember Catholicism's positive value, I must also remind myself that the church is guilty of some genuinely heinous crimes. Catholicism, and Christianity more broadly, is largely responsible for providing the theological justification for colonialism and the mass slaughter of the world's indigenous population, if nothing else. The Great Commission is soaked in blood.
Quote from: fansongecho on June 05, 2018, 10:35:27 PM
For me, those dots are very real ArMaP... As are the documented cases, and victims' of the abuse, rape and torture buddy.
Sure the documented cases are true, I just don't "buy" the idea that that's something organised by the church itself instead of the actions of a few people that use the church as a means to reach their intended goals.
Quote from: petrus4 on June 05, 2018, 11:30:34 PM
Armap, as far as I am concerned, there is vast circumstantial evidence to suggest that the Catholic church has contained an undercurrent of satanism which was almost as prevalent as Christianity itself.
See the underlined word. "Suggest", to me, it's not enough. :)
@Seeker - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubLQzBZi5G8 - This is his first interview -
His Bibliography - https://www.biblio.com/malachi-martin/author/474
(I didn't know he had written so many books)
Cheers,
Fans'
*Edit - Hey ArMaP, don't get me wrong, I do believe that there are some good folk's who join religious orders because they believe in their particular "God", and that they want to go and do good in the world (across all faiths)
My beef is with the zeolots that use religion to further their own particular ideological ends, or use religion to conquer, oppress and abuse.
I have knowledge of a man of faith who was happily married, but confessed to being attracted to young boys and girls (he is dead now) on the outside he seemed to be a "normal" jolly man of wise words and kind demeaner.
As I mentioned before I am not religous and I never will be, it may seem that I am having a pop against one faith in particular, but the reality is I am wary of all of the religions that I have come into direct contact with.
Peaceout - Fansongecho -
Hi Gang,
I pulled together the below list - This is the fast and dirty overview of my thoughts on the Project Camelot topic that is this thread. *disclaimer, I am not trying to push my views and beliefs on anyone, but I thought it might be useful to see what folks think ?
- The Secret Space Prog - The SSP I do believe exists.
- Bases on the moon & mars – I think that we did go to the moon but not with the 60's NASA equipment, not sure about bases up there that are supposed to be human, but I DO think there may well be alien bases on the dark side of the moon.
- Whistle-blowers – Arthur Neumann / henry deacon, hhhhmmm, not sure about this cat, why has he got two names ? I need to do more research on him
- Pete Peterson, for me at least comes across as very credible and I do believe him on is Camelot interviews.
- Robert Dean – Not sure what his agenda is ??
- Brian O'Leary – very believable and watchable- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3cBOq5-nZw
- Gordon Novel – A fascinating man, with some interesting stories and contacts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ly99ZSiqJ7M&list=PLCBWchjKJd6PVYwmBoG2glv2c1HWDxay3&index=1
- Super soldiers?? I don't know enough about them, I do believe there are advances in medicine / science that can enhance soldiers / humans – and I know that powers that are would use any means necessary to enhance the military, and not care about any ethical angles.
- Nanosatellites – yes, I do believe that there is a network of nanosatellites.
- ET how many races – 100,000's, I do believe there are – not sure about how many are on Earth, why would they want anything to do with us ?? we can't even get on with our local neighbours, so why would they think we will / would get on with them? – There are too many powerful figures who are corrupt that make all the decisions for humanity, and keep us at war, and most of the world in poverty.
- Gordon Duff – I don't know anything about him, so I need to do more research on him - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOzHz3dvKiM
- ET Agenda – bad guys takeover?? I do believe that there are numerous types of aliens visiting this mud ball for several reasons, but I don't think that we have "alliances" with any of them.
- Depopulation – Yes, I do believe that there is a depopulation agenda.
US/UK Obesity is a planned program, I totally believe that there is a connection between Big Pharma, and the major food producers to fatten us up and make us less healthy and open to disease.
- Stargate program – Yes, I do believe they exist on earth and I think that they are from a millennium's old technology / civilisation, covered up by the establishments around the world.
- Linear accelerators – cover for stargates – I don't know how they would keep these secrets.
- Vietnam war – giant spider war – hammam ??? yea, I don't buy into this one.
- Enders game / halo games – The kids of today won't be fighting anyone, as they are tending to obesity and sloth like.
- Robert David Steele – don't know enough about him
- Secret History of earth – Yep, there is a whole pre-history that is being supressed by the establishment.
Free Energy, yes, I do believe that technology exits but won't be released to the public because of the Petro-dollar.
- Artificial Intelligence exits, and has been in use longer than we think in general
- Time travel – how did the Nazi's lose the war ??, I keep reading stories about the advances they either had or were given, so how did they lose the 2nd world war? I suspect that they had advanced R&D programmes, but I don't believe that they had the weapons that are talked about in the alternate media.
- The Human experiment – This I do believe, but I don't know who or why we were created
Cheers!
Fansongecho :)
Quote from: fansongecho on June 06, 2018, 08:20:59 AM
My beef is with the zeolots that use religion to further their own particular ideological ends, or use religion to conquer, oppress and abuse.
Then it's not a problem with the religions themselves but with the people that use them as a tool to reach their goals? OK.
QuoteAs I mentioned before I am not religous and I never will be, it may seem that I am having a pop against one faith in particular, but the reality is I am wary of all of the religions that I have come into direct contact with.
Just to make things clear, for those that don't know it, I'm an atheist. :)
Hi ArMaP, the people ARE their religion.
I did not know that you were an atheist buddy.
Peaceout - :)
Fans' 8)
Edit** - WOW Gordon Duff is living a charmed life, if this video and others have any truth too them.. I suspect that he may end up on the "committed suicide in mysterious fashion" pile of reported crimes - :o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LydXKUoJ4yw
Quote from: ArMaP on June 06, 2018, 10:18:10 PM
Just to make things clear, for those that don't know it, I'm an atheist. :)
WHAT?!?! You don't believe in Aliens? :P
::)
Quote from: ArMaP on June 05, 2018, 08:41:46 PM
No, it doesn't take much to start "connecting the dots", but do the dots really exist? :)
When it comes to RC priests and abuse of children, its not dots... it has been blatantly in the open for decades... but they just remove a preist from the location where they were caught and move them to another parish
A simple google search will produce a gadzillion cases. problem is NO ONE is really doing anything to stop it.
Search "priest caught in child abuse" here is page one
Priest Arrested for Child Rape - ABC News
https://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=91695&page=1
May 2, 2002 - Shanley was arrested after television crews tracked him down in San ... Although many child sex-abuse charges against priests are too old to ...
Priest Whose Home Was Filled with Drugs and Child Porn Posed as ...
www.newsweek.com/priest-whose-home-filled-drugs-and-child-porn-posed-child-abu...
Feb 14, 2018 - A former Catholic priest who posed as campaigner against child abuse was arrested Friday over possession of child pornography, as well as ...
Catholic Church sexual abuse cases - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_cases
Cases of child sexual abuse by Catholic priests, nuns and members of religious orders, and ..... Between February and April 2014, three other Catholic priests were arrested in the state of Kerala on charges of raping minors. In 2016, the Catholic ...
Catholic sex abuse cases in ... · Catholic Church sex abuse ... · George Pell
Christian Priests Convicted for Sexual Abuse - Ranker
https://www.ranker.com/list/christian-priests-convicted...sexual-abuse/robert-wabash
Priests who have been merely accused of sex abuse are not included in this list. Only priests legally convicted for sexual abuse of a minor or priests caught ...
Timeline: Catholic Church's sex abuse scandals - CNN - CNN.com
https://www.cnn.com/2017/06/29/world/timeline-catholic...sexual-abuse.../index.html
Jun 29, 2017 - Australia: 4,444 children abused by priests 01:36 ... Wesolowski was the highest-ranking Catholic official arrested for alleged sexual abuse of minors. ... Children accused more than 4,000 priests of sexual abuse between ...
Pedophile priest convicted by German court of 108 cases of child abuse
www.dw.com/en/pedophile-priest-convicted-by...court...child-abuse/a-42699337
Feb 22, 2018 - A German priest has been sent to a psychiatric institution after pleading guilty to a string of child abuse offenses. He was previously defrocked ...
Catholic child abuse: 164 allegations against 85 priests have led to ...
www.thejournal.ie/.../catholic-child-abuse-187-allegations-against-98-priests-have-led...
Apr 24, 2013 - Catholic child abuse: 164 allegations against 85 priests have led to zero ......
Stockholm Syndrome and do not realise they are caught in a web.
Vatican reveals how many priests defrocked for sex abuse since 2004 ...
https://www.cbsnews.com/.../vatican-reveals-how-many-priests-defrocked-for-sex-abu...
May 7, 2014 - GENEVA -- The Vatican revealed Tuesday that over the past decade, it has defrocked 848 priests who raped or molested children and ...
The Vatican's child abuse response - BBC News
www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-25757218
Apr 11, 2014 - How the scandal highlighting sexual abuse of thousands of children by ... cases of molestation by priests came to light, in the US and Canada.
Pope Francis lambasts Catholic bishops who helped cover up child ...
https://www.theguardian.com/.../pope-francis-catholic-bishops-child-paedophile-abuse...
Jul 7, 2014 - Leaders of the Roman Catholic church who failed to "respond adequately" to reports of child sex abuse by paedophile priests caused "even ...
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So that is a lot of DOTS is it not?
Quote from: zorgon on June 07, 2018, 12:14:17 AM
A simple google search will produce a gadzillion cases.
That means nothing.
Quoteproblem is NO ONE is really doing anything to stop it.
Even if they are doing something, that type of news is not as popular as priests being accused of child abuse.
QuoteSo that is a lot of DOTS is it not?
Maybe. How many of those are confirmed? How many of those are about the same cases? Also, sexual child abuse by priests it's not the same thing as organised sexual child abuse by the church, and that was the kind of thing I was thinking about when I asked if the dots really exist.
Any kind of criminal minded person searches an environment that helps them do the crimes they prefer, so child molesters look for jobs/places in which they can easily get access to children, in the same way arsonists prefer being firemen than priests.
Quote from: fansongecho on June 06, 2018, 06:05:50 PM
- Time travel – how did the Nazi's lose the war ??, I keep reading stories about the advances they either had or were given, so how did they lose the 2nd world war?
The Germans lost WW2 primarily because Hitler was an insane, narcissistic demoniac, who believed his own hype about a divine manifest destiny, and thought he couldn't lose no matter what he did. In order to prove that, he tried to conquer Russia via a land war in the middle of winter. You really don't need to know much about military science in order to understand why that was a bad idea.
(https://i.pinimg.com/236x/d4/3a/92/d43a9213c69fed05f01d1335212e58d6--baby-polar-bears-teddy-bears.jpg)
The single worst thing about the current fascist revival, in my mind, is their insistence on claiming that Hitler was some sort of misunderstood genius. He wasn't. He was an evil, deranged thug, who obtained his position exclusively due to his ability to manipulate the worst aspects of human nature. Some people rave on about how he rebuilt the German economy, but in reality, the only way he did that, was by employing half the population in the munitions or military support industries, and putting the other half in the military itself. I'd be tempted to say that war was the only thing he understood, except that in the final analysis he wasn't very good at that, either.
Hi Petrus, the question was rhetorical my friend, maybe it didn't read that way?? sorry 8)
I was driving at the stories of the Vril, the "advanced" German Bell, the stories that the Germans had Plutonium and sold it to the US, and finally the stories that the Germans had a saucer and more, and that is what they used at their base in the Antarctic and kicked Admiral Bird and his battlegroup with just after the war -
My point is/was, IF they had all this advanced technology how come they lost the war?.. meaning I don't believe they did have the technology as reported by various UFO investigators, although it makes for left-field reading -
RE Hitler yes indeed he was a total lunatic, (although some might say he was protected to survive the assignation attempts) and failing to strike to recognise his own limitations with strategic planning, did his plans for world domination totally in, that said, who funded Germanys war effort / industrialisation when they were bankrupt in the 30's?? -
I am planning on buying this book - https://www.amazon.com/dp/0805087265/?tag=stackoverflow17-20
Cheers Petrus, have a good one. :)
Fans'
PS - My dad told that when he was guard of German prisoners in Italy , they would often say that Germany never wanted a war with Great Britain, and that we should have joined forces with Germany, dad's reply was always that we could never turn to Nazi'ism -
PPS - I wonder how much of the looted treasures and money and gold was returned to its rightful owners by the allied powers once the war was over?? ::)
I was a fan of Project Camelot from the start, but as time went on I saw it be lacking and the far-out things that would come out. It seemed nothing could be verified. Kerry Cassidy does not know how to interview or how to control and interviews in my humble opinion. Things got worse later on when she turned it into a money maker and would grab all the interviews she could. It finally lapsed into total confusion in my opinion. But that's just my opinion.
I wonder what happened with her and Bill? something the interviews where ok when he was leading them, but as you say Spacemaverick, Kerry C doesn't know how to interview and recently she is starting to look very "on the edge" in her appearance and demeanour - Cheers ! Fans' :)
Bill and Kerry chatting to Mel Fabrgas, about the break up - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85tlnuxpR40
Quote from: fansongecho on June 07, 2018, 05:55:57 AM
My point is/was, IF they had all this advanced technology how come they lost the war?.. meaning I don't believe they did have the technology as reported by various UFO investigators, although it makes for left-field reading -
Having the technology is only one part, if you don't have the materials you cannot apply the technology.
PS: I don't think they had the technology, but my sceptic mind made me write the above sentence. ;D
Indeed ArMaP, I agree, and I get why you posted :)
This is the second part of that interview -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fj8ApkHvOro
I am going to dig out some of the Whistle-blower's they mentioned in Part-1 of interview and have a look at the stories, the Jake Simpson one sounded very interesting -
Laterzz,
Fanzzz... ;D
Quote from: fansongecho on June 07, 2018, 05:55:57 AM
My point is/was, IF they had all this advanced technology how come they lost the war?..
Hubris, and belief that they could not lose. I don't know whether or not they had alien technology, although I do believe that the Germans were (for the time, at least) prodigiously advanced technologically, and possibly even moreso than the Allies. In my observation, as a distinct ethnic group, Germans consistently have two defining characteristics; an unusually strong degree of affinity for engineering, and an equally strong desire to subjugate others.
QuoteRE Hitler yes indeed he was a total lunatic, (although some might say he was protected to survive the assignation attempts) and failing to strike to recognise his own limitations with strategic planning, did his plans for world domination totally in, that said, who funded Germanys war effort / industrialisation when they were bankrupt in the 30's??
Time is an ally of those who defend, and an enemy of those who attack. The simple reason for this is the fact that attacking by definition requires great energy, which means that it can not be sustained on an indefinite, or even a long term basis. It is therefore much easier to defeat someone who is offensively, rather than defensively oriented; which the Germans were.
In any computer game I play which involves some form of competition, I almost always adopt a strategy of defensive attrition. As long as I am on the right side of the Loss Exchange Ratio (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loss_exchange_ratio), this means that even if I lose individual engagements, I will still make progress towards winning an overall campaign.
"Give them nothing, but take from them, everything!"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDm0nU-w33g
There is a squad-based tactical game called UFO: Enemy Unknown, (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFO:_Enemy_Unknown) which I possess a copy of. It is a game in which extraterrestrials invade Earth, and the player fights them in turn based contests. One of the species in the game are called the Chryssalids, and they are greatly feared by most players, because in addition to being very well armoured, they have the ability to convert the player's units into more of their own; similar to the Borg ability to assimilate humans.
In my last match against them, I lost 8 units in a ten unit squad. The Chryssalids lost 28. That is a loss exchange ratio in my favour, of 3.5 to 1. Given that the objective was to wipe out their squad, I won.
QuotePS - My dad told that when he was guard of German prisoners in Italy , they would often say that Germany never wanted a war with Great Britain, and that we should have joined forces with Germany, dad's reply was always that we could never turn to Nazi'ism -
Fascists will often tell you that you should join them. That offer, however, is only extended to those who are firstly of their own skin colour, and secondly those who are willing to think like them in literally every degree. The moment you are seen to deviate, you can expect to be executed.
Fascism as a form of society and government, also has no long term point of sustainable equilibrium. This is for three main reasons.
a} Within a fascist state, there is constant pressure for the number of legally permissible actions, to reach absolute zero.
b} Because of a}, it is customary for the death penalty to become the default punishment for almost any crime; if for no other reason than simply because if everything is a crime, there will never be enough prison space to house all of the supposed criminals.
c} Fascism perpetuates itself via keeping the internal population of the state, focused on a scapegoat or threat which originates from outside it. This is because a constant external threat is necessary to distract the population from the intolerable political conditions within the state itself. So there always has to be a new scapegoat or threat, and if one can not be found externally to the state, then it will be manufactured within the state itself.
As a result of these three points, the fascist event loop only has two possible termination conditions; either revolution in which the fascist state is removed, or the eventual complete depopulation of the country, due to the fact that ultimately, everyone will be considered a criminal and murdered. The negative polarity is ultimately based on elimination or competition, and when taken to its' ultimate degree, competition means that only one person can be left standing. This is the same principle behind the functioning of a black hole.
You will observe that the first step, preceding the current fascist revival, was to attempt to completely deny the reality of the Holocaust. This is because fascism can only be made appealing to its' potential adherents, if they remain ignorant of the fact that large scale death is the only possible outcome of a fascist state.
Quote from: fansongecho on June 07, 2018, 10:44:01 AM
I wonder what happened with her and Bill? something the interviews where ok when he was leading them
Kerry enjoys listening to herself speak, more than listening to her interviewees. Bill is relatively humble, which means that after introducing his guests, and occasionally making a few limited comments, he gets out of the way and allows them to speak.
hey fans
thanks for posting those two vids..been a long time since i watched any of their stuff and at the beginning they were sourced of interest on a lot of levels
and the last of the second one where carie goes on about all the things /groups vying for control..
(of course all of those groups are after them ;) )
interesting when you see it was 2011
i did skip thur it more than listened to all of it but enjoyed the trip to the past
Quote from: petrus4 on June 08, 2018, 03:42:03 AM
Kerry enjoys listening to herself speak, more than listening to her interviewees. Bill is relatively humble, which means that after introducing his guests, and occasionally making a few limited comments, he gets out of the way and allows them to speak.
I liked Bill. I think she would break into a conversation when Bill was asking a question and finally Bill got tired of it. He then started his own site.
Quote from: petrus4 on June 08, 2018, 03:39:27 AM
Fascism as a form of society and government, also has no long term point of sustainable equilibrium.
Having lived under a fascist regime for the first 11 years of my life, I would like to say that your interpretation of a fascist regime is pretty accurate. :)
Quote from: fansongecho on June 04, 2018, 05:07:23 PM
Also the info on the Vatican, without offending any practicing Catholic or those into Religion, and trying not to bang on about rampant paedophilia, they called their telescope Lucifer - someone has a great sense of humour at the Vatican it would seem.
LUCIFER is not nor was he ever SATAN :P LUCIFER is the Bringer of Light (Greek counterpart would be Prometheus who gave man fire and was punished)
So since a telescope brings light from the Heavens LUCIFER is a very appropriate name.
Remember also that the Reptilian who had a chat with Eve in the Garden wanted to bring KNOWLEDGE to mankind while that Old Grey Beard just continuously wants you to grovel and remain a SHEEP
THE TRUTH...
IMO not ONE of these whistle blowers or interviewees has the TRUTH...
Some may have hit on bits of truth, mostly by accident :P But they can't even agree with each other which one has THE truth...
Most of the Whistle Blowers that do the UFO circuit have adopted and added and embellished TRUTHS along the way to keep their audience happy....
The recent MUFON Secret Space program bull shit is the best example of how distorted any hope of truth has become... with the fall out that no one serious now believes ANY secret space program stuff... so I might as well give up
Bill Ryan invented the SERPO HOAX Kerry Cassidy is a fruit cake, plain and simple, and will believe any story you tell her.
Years ago I was invited to lunch with them in Las Vegas... they wanted to do an interview... Well I had really bad vibes about it, a gut feeling not to go... the next day I got an anonymous phone call telling me I would be wise NOT to go to this meeting. Since I already had bad feelings... I listened to the voice... told it I had already considered cancelling. He did not identify himself... I never found out who it was...
Later when there was the split... along came Project Avalon... the Bill Ryan Splinter from Project Camelot after the break up. John and I were invited to come on board. HOWEVER that invitation came with a warning NOT to mess with their favorite poster boy whistle blower Henry Deacon.
Okay well Henry Deacon claimed to be an insider from Los Alamos amd LLNL... he spoke of THREE points of interst to me at the time... SOLAR WARDEN (the first version of Secret Space program conspiracy) LOOKING GLASS and SHIVA NOVA a giant laser... He hinted he had inside info but could say nothing as he was involved...
Well dang, I thought... this is right up my alley because I HAVE that info... so I did like I always do.. made a long detailed post on Looking Glass and Shiva Nova. (Solar Warden was what started me on the ATS Naval Space Command Thread)
So I posted the papers I had from Los Alamos on the Looking Glass project (that I was linked to by Ban Burisch) and I posted the following page on Shiva Nova. So I expected kudos for having the actual TRUTH with the official papers to back it up
Directed Energy Weapons
Project Shiva Nova
Creating a Miniature Star on Earth
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/03files/Lasers_Shiva_Nova.html
That information came DIRECTLY from LLNL albeit a secured government site, it was still in public domain IF you knew where to look
Well what happened was Henry Deacon threw a HISSY FIT and went ballistic... he deleted all my pages and I was banned. John too was banned for challenging Henry, because it was now obvious Henry was a total fraud and he was upset we upstaged him with real info that he didn't know was already online
Henry has numerous aliases One is Blissmaker. Under that Alias he posted several forums ranting about how Zorgon was attacking him and trying to discredit him... this was on ATS but Springer deleted it all. Several other forums Norval was there at the time... It still survives today at GodLikeProductions LOL Here is the post....
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ZORGON ACCUSES HENRY DEACON AND DOES NOT KNOW HENRY DEACON.
HENRY DEACON DID NOT ATTACK ZORGON.
IN FACT IT WAS THE VERY OPPOSITE!
ZORGON KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT the original xxx.lanl.gov link (a url modified and incorrectly quoted/posted in Camelot's original report), SHIVA-NOVAs roots, or any of what HENRY DEACON may have been involved with.
LET's GET THE RECORD STRAIGHT.
I KNOW DR. DEACON AND HE IS NOT PLEASED WITH WHAT ZORGON AND HIS COHORTS ARE DOING. NOT ONLY ARE THERE FALSE ALLEGATIONS AND DISTORTED INFORMATION, BUT ALSO ZORGON AND HIS COHORTS ARE PRESENTING BAD DATA AND DISINFORMATION TO THE PUBLIC.
CREATING CONFUSION DURING A CRITICAL TIME IN HUMAN HISTORY.
THE TRUE INTENTIONS OF ZORGON ARE UNKNOWN AT THIS TIME.
SOME OF WHAT IS KNOWN ABOUT ZORGON IS STATED ABOVE.
DR. DEACON DOES NOT WISH TO BE INVOLVED IN CONFLICT WITH ANYONE. UNPROFESSIONAL AND IMMATURE BEHAVIOR IS ABHORRED.
HE WISHES ONLY TO PRESENT VALID AND ESSENTIAL DATA TO THE PUBLIC AS NEEDED FOR THEIR SAFETY, WELLBEING AND FOR GUIDANCE THROUGH DIFFICULT TIMES.
THIS IS IN RESPONSE TO THE MATERIAL QUOTED BELOW - FROM AN ATS POSTING.
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ZORGON WROTE:
"No you cannot read my threads because they have been deleted.
Bill says it was a 'hack' at the highest level or a 'rogue moderator'
Will since they run a php board which is EASY to hack (as we found out with three attempts) I can say its 'likely' HOWEVER with the way I was attacked by Henry Deacon via PM for posting the LLNL Shiva Nova Laser project and the LANL official doucument of Project Looking Glass... I am willing to bet there is a LOT more to this...
I suspect Henry went off the deep end because he did not KNOW that both those projects are available to the PUBLIC... in the USA if you know where to look.
In fact the Shiva Nova site was linked to me by another ex employee of LLNL (I thought it might have been Henry on another forum)
So since he brought both topics out in the Camelot interview, how can you throw a fit over someone following up on your info? Besides I had that data BEFORE I read Henry's interview and had written Bill about it before the Forum opened... This mail was apparently buried in a huge batch :P
Will I repost the material there? NO It takes me days to create those posts...
It is also likely that since I use a lot of .mil links that there is an issue because they are a UK forum... I know many .mil links will NOT work outside the USA
The really funny thing about all this is... OTHER than the 'UFO' topics, the US Military is VERY OPEN with information... You ought to see the stuff available on Beam Weapons in Space :o
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I dunno...I kinda lost steam for all of this now.
I will look forward to Norval's latest thread but, I dunno about the rest.
The Wind has been knocked out of my sails....
I hear you... ATS was doing the same... focusing on Celebrity sightings, UFO stories etc... but anything serious I posted there was dumped into skunkworks and forgotten
I asked for a forum area here, but it was decided by management here that I had so much stuff on my site that it wasn't necessary... even though the intent was to create focus summary threads...
The Wind has NOT been knocked out of my sails... but I now understand why all the popular UFO researchers are moving to a 'subscription only" base...
In my efforts to back up with facts and links the stuff people like John and Henry talk about... I have fallen way behind in keeping up with reral contacts like a semi retired CIA dude in Aus and even Ed Mitchell...
Seems my time has just been freed up 8-)"
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Get ahold of him and have him come over here---
we dont mind nonesense--- If he can take the Bs flags --he will be ok.
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Get ahold of him and have him come over here---
we dont mind nonesense--- If he can take the Bs flags --he will be ok.
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LOL I can take a lot... but the nonsense is not from my end...
I am already here and just how many threads is this going to be posted in? Seems to me a deliberate attempt at disinfo.
Surely the mods here are smart enough to recognize a deliberate smear campaign?
I already answer this in the exact same post HERE
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Take it to ATS ffs.
Henry Deacon is also AKA Athur Nuemann (google that and just listen to him LOL
Carol, a moderator at Project Avalon left and created a forum called Mysts of Avalon (stolen form me :P though it might be a coinsidence :P ) However she did copy my ENTIRE Naval Space Command thread from ATS and took credit for it.. AND said she was going to write a book... and had the audacity to hotlink the photos to my website (at that time bandwidth was expensive) Well we got the lawyers after her
Still another off shoot forum from Avalon... (names slips my mind at the moment) Henry was Arch Angel (the owner) and Papa Smurf during our time there Beth (Undo) received a phone call from someone claiming to be a NASA insider that had photos. One he sent was of a crater... that crater was on a NASA website as a crater in a driveway as an example... When we called his bluff, he then said he was an agent working from a suitcase phone and made threats to Beth. Later she told me her husband had received a call from work sayng" Would you like us to handle this guy?" We never heard from Henry since :P (Beths hubby then worked for 45th Wing Space Command at Patrick AFB)
So ANYTHING involved with Bill and Kerry to me sends up the RED FLAG Yes they had some good interviews in the early days... but most of what I see today is 90% horse manure
Quote from: ArMaP on June 08, 2018, 08:41:54 AM
Having lived under a fascist regime for the first 11 years of my life, I would like to say that your interpretation of a fascist regime is pretty accurate. :)
Thank you, Armap. I have spent more time studying the subject than is probably psychologically healthy, to be honest. I think it's because I am aware that if a fascist state were to ever emerge in my own country, people like myself would be the first ones into the ovens.
@ArMaP, please forgive my ignorance, where was the first 11 years of your experience with Fascism ?
@Peterus, thanks for a detailed post re Fascism and the mechanics of .. very enlightening indeed. 8)
@Zorgon, colloquial terms and names for beings/subjects etc, just rewinding a little, as a young lad I recall quite well the vicar, and the lay preachers in my village preaching to us very impressionable kids that the Devil had many names, and could take many forms, Lucifer was one that kept being mentioned, so that is where my angle on the post about the telescope came from - Hhhhmmmmmm, your reference to the name being the light-bringer etc, can you give me details what religion or belief system that originates from please?, I would like to do some further research on that angle Z. :)
RE Camelot, Some of the folks they mentioned on the video's I had a quick look at, the Italian guy they spoke about, I watched about 7 minutes of his interview and binned it right off, the same with H Deacon, and Dan Burisch and his MJ-12 fantasy - ;D
David "intuitive empath" Wilcock has agenda akin I think to 4 Names - IE pretend to be doing his own research about the many diverse subjects in the esoteric and I suspect will be producing a book/video/film plagiarising more of the noted the investigators works and research, I could be wrong but that is what my gut tells me. ;D
I think Kerry, is definitely on the ragged edge in her later interviews, and I get why Bill split with her and started off on his own -
With so much static and grief coming your way of ATS Zorgon why did you bother with them, it is obvious that they really didn't want you on that site m8? ???
:)
Cheers!
Fans'
Quote from: fansongecho on June 08, 2018, 06:01:58 PM
@ArMaP, please forgive my ignorance, where was the first 11 years of your experience with Fascism ?
Where I live, Portugal. :)
Portugal was under a dictatorship from 1926 (with a change in 1933) until 1974 (when I was 11 years old), when the Carnation Revolution (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnation_Revolution) changed Portugal into a democracy.
Quote from: fansongecho on June 08, 2018, 06:01:58 PM
@Zorgon, colloquial terms and names for beings/subjects etc, just rewinding a little, as a young lad I recall quite well the vicar, and the lay preachers in my village preaching to us very impressionable kids that the Devil had many names, and could take many forms, Lucifer was one that kept being mentioned, so that is where my angle on the post about the telescope came from - Hhhhmmmmmm, your reference to the name being the light-bringer etc, can you give me details what religion or belief system that originates from please?, I would like to do some further research on that angle Z. :)
Wikipedia is useful for quick basic facts :P Lucifer is only mentioned ONCE in the King James version and that is referenced to Venus (the planet) Lucifer is Latin for Light Bringer
Lucifer is a name that, according to dictionaries of the English language, refers either to the Devil or to the planet Venus when appearing as the morning star.
As a name for the Devil, the more common meaning in English, "Lucifer" is the rendering of the Hebrew word הֵילֵל in Isaiah (Isaiah 14:12) given in the King James Version of the Bible. The translators of this version took the word from the Latin Vulgate, which translated הֵילֵל by the Latin word lucifer (uncapitalized), meaning "the morning star, the planet Venus", or, as an adjective, "light-bringing".
As a name for the morning star, "Lucifer" is a proper name and is capitalized in English. In Greco-Roman civilization the morning star was also personified and considered a pagan god. At that time the distinction between capitalized and lower-case letters had not yet been invented.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer
Lucifer The Light-Bringer(https://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/7189051.jpg)
QuoteHi! I'm sure this hub is gonna ruffle a few Christian feathers, but I don't mean any harm by anything I say...just bringing up some points that seem valid to me. So try to keep an open mind and your emotions in check, until you've heard what I have to say. Thanks!
You've been duped, hoodwinked, as Malcolm X once told black people, about God, Jesus, Lucifer and Satan. (Malcolm was referring to the history of black people)
But first, before we get to the meat of our meal, a few definitions.
Jesus as a light-bringer
(https://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/8560733.jpg)
QuoteJesus was a light-bringer who claimed to bring light (knowledge) to the world. He even claimed to be the very light he brought! Jesus was a Lucifer?
Jesus even says he's the son of Lucifer
"I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things for the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, the bright, the morning star".(The American Standard version)
Jesus said David is Lucifer (the morning star) and he's Lucifer's (David) son.
Interesting!
And the plot thickens!
https://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/Everything-You-Never-Wanted-To-Know-About-Lucifer-The-Light-Bringer
Quote from: fansongecho on June 08, 2018, 06:01:58 PM
RE Camelot, Some of the folks they mentioned on the video's I had a quick look at, the Italian guy they spoke about, I watched about 7 minutes of his interview and binned it right off, the same with H Deacon, and Dan Burisch and his MJ-12 fantasy - ;D
Dan Burisch is an enigma He mixes a lot of truth with bullshit. Now John told me they do that to stay alive... that could be true... and you have to dig through the manure for the gems... but it could also be that a good story teller or bullshitter mixes in enough truth to a story to hook the gullible
Now Dan did lead me to the Los Alamos official paper on Looking Glass but what the paper deswcribes is not what he later claims ... that the Looking Glass is a stargate device at S4
In the end its all about money and there 15 minutes of fame under the spotlight and the fickle Believer audience gives it to them and PAYS big bucks to be fed this bullshit. In fact I am about to make a post about such abuse :D
QuoteDavid "intuitive empath" Wilcock has agenda akin I think to 4 Names - IE pretend to be doing his own research about the many diverse subjects in the esoteric and I suspect will be producing a book/video/film plagiarising more of the noted the investigators works and research, I could be wrong but that is what my gut tells me. ;D
Your gut would be right but seeing a recent post on facebook by a groupie, 4 names is already on the UFO circuit using John's material
QuoteWith so much static and grief coming your way of ATS Zorgon why did you bother with them, it is obvious that they really didn't want you on that site m8? ???
Well at the time Camelot was doing good videos of John Lear... We had no idea the whole thing was about to collapse... Pulled out of any contact with them after that other than sharing to old JL videos... but by then the damage was done.
I also posted a lot of stuff on Open Minds... that place had a major conundrum involving Edgar Fuche who decided to take a wrong spin with John and Myself.. Several of the mods especially CaliKid sided with him and it turned nasty so nasty that ProBoard (the hosting company for that free forum) just shut down OM and deleted everything... That crew started a new site and continued the crap until I sent a cease and desist letter from my lawyer. After that Ed went to Alien Scientist I will leave it at that... Ed has now passed away... and a day after that obviously fake TR3B Patent was released.... Hmmmmmm?
@ArMaP, thanks for the information, more white bread education in the UK, I never knew that, we are told about the Spanish revolution, but the only bit of information we have about Portugal are the famous cork growing tree's, the earthquake that flattened Lisbon in 17?? -
@Z re Lucifer, thanks for the links and info - is there any wonder I don't like religion(s) ??
Thanks for the other info re Camelot and the various snake oil salesmen masqurading as leading lights (lol, see what I did there ? :) in the UFO field - ;D ;D
Laterzz,
Fansongecho :)
Quote from: fansongecho on June 09, 2018, 09:15:29 AM
@ArMaP, thanks for the information, more white bread education in the UK, I never knew that, we are told about the Spanish revolution, but the only bit of information we have about Portugal are the famous cork growing tree's, the earthquake that flattened Lisbon in 17?? -
Portugal and the UK have a long common history (both countries have the oldest alliance still in effect, the Anglo-Portuguese Alliance (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Portuguese_Alliance), signed in 1373). British crusaders helped reconquer several towns along the Portuguese coast, including Lisbon (where I was born) and Almada (where I live). In Almada we have two streets with names (in their Portuguese versions) of two crusaders that are traditionally linked to the conquest of Lisbon. In more more recent times we still had a big commercial relationship, and in Almada there's a large house that belonged to a British (Scottish) family, the Buchkall, that owned a shipping company that transported cork to the UK and latter (in the XIX th century) made a factory in Almada. The workers from that factory created a mutual aid society (the precursors of social security) that still exists.
The earthquake happened in 1755.
Quote@Z re Lucifer, thanks for the links and info - is there any wonder I don't like religion(s) ??
I like religions, from a psychological and sociological point of view, they tell a lot about human nature. :)
Quote from: zorgon on June 09, 2018, 03:50:32 AM
I also posted a lot of stuff on Open Minds... that place had a major conundrum involving Edgar Fuche who decided to take a wrong spin with John and Myself.. Several of the mods especially CaliKid sided with him and it turned nasty so nasty that ProBoard (the hosting company for that free forum) just shut down OM and deleted everything...
I may be wrong, but I think I have a copy of that forum with some 47,000 html pages. I'll send you a link. :)
Quote from: ArMaP on June 09, 2018, 11:29:14 AM
I may be wrong, but I think I have a copy of that forum with some 47,000 html pages. I'll send you a link. :)
You may find some of the information on OMF on the Internet Wayback <achine.
Quote from: fansongecho on June 08, 2018, 06:01:58 PM
David "intuitive empath" Wilcock has agenda akin I think to 4 Names - IE pretend to be doing his own research about the many diverse subjects in the esoteric and I suspect will be producing a book/video/film plagiarising more of the noted the investigators works and research, I could be wrong but that is what my gut tells me. ;D
I spent some time with David on a mailing list back in 2005ish. He's not a deliberately malevolent guy; his only real problem is that he's full of shit around 80% of the time, (although the 20% is almost brilliant enough to make up for it; when he
does get it right, he's scary) but is convinced that he isn't. He then trusts other people who are likewise full of shit, (Ben Fulford being a great example) to be headline guests on his site.
I do not believe that Wilcock is intentionally fraudulent. He suffers from a combination of paranoia, arrogance, and naivete, but fundamentally he has positive intentions.
@ArMaP, great info re the Portugal / Great Britain relationship, thanks for that, wow! :)
@Petrus4, thanks for the insight into DW, Kerry from Camelot "seemed" to have placed a lot of faith in his abilities. Is it possible for you to expand on the 20% that he does get right please ?, no worries if not, thanks Fans'
Quote from: spacemaverick on June 09, 2018, 02:50:33 PM
You may find some of the information on OMF on the Internet Wayback <achine.
I know, I have been using that site for many years. :)
Quote from: fansongecho on June 09, 2018, 04:34:11 PM
Is it possible for you to expand on the 20% that he does get right please ?, no worries if not, thanks Fans'
Some of his earlier work was an article demonstrating that what we thought was
global warming, was in fact affecting the entire solar system, and he had photographic evidence showing changes to the other planets as well. This was back in the early 2000s, though; I don't think the post is still up any more. It was very eye opening for me though, and is also why I don't come down one way or the other on the climate change debate, because I realise that the real truth is that humanity did not
cause it, but our behaviour is not
helping, either.
I hadn't thought about our planet's climate change affecting the solar system, but it makes sense. Like ripples in a pond.
@Petrus4, thanks for the information :) and I agree we are not helping the planet on any level, because we suck at being good stewards for Planet Earth, I think I saw this link on here some where but it is worth a look I think http://ossfoundation.us/projects/environment/global-warming/milankovitch-cycles
@Shasta56, how's the antlers today? ;)
I got some sleep, so no antlers today. I still have to work swing shift tonight though, so antlers may happen. I never know what expect.
Quote from: fansongecho on June 09, 2018, 04:34:11 PM
@ArMaP, great info re the Portugal / Great Britain relationship, thanks for that, wow! :)
I forgot one thing, the Peninsular War (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peninsular_War), the part of Napoleonic wars in the Iberian Peninsula.
Portugal was invaded by a French-Spanish army, while the king and most of the court ran away to Brazil. Things deteriorated in Spain, with the people revolting against what was in fact French occupation, and with the French forces divided between fighting the people in Spain and keeping Portugal under occupation it was the best time for the UK to intervene, so they landed a relatively large force in Portugal to fight the French. The Napoleonic forces crushed the revolution in Spain and advanced to Portugal, capturing the second biggest city, Oporto, from where they were removed with a second wave of British forces reinforced by Portuguese forces trained by the British.
After that the British forces, led by Arthur Wellesley, organized a fortified defence of the only way the French troops could follow to reach Lisbon, and that defence worked, forcing the French to retreat to Spain, where the British forces followed them.
I also forgot to say that it was based on that old treaty that Portugal, although neutral, accepted the UK's request for naval and air bases in the Azores during WWII, and the UK (and the USA) used those bases until the end of the war.
@ArMaP - thanks again, totally amazing.
Quote from: fansongecho on June 10, 2018, 05:25:50 PM
@Petrus4, thanks for the information :) and I agree we are not helping the planet on any level, because we suck at being good stewards for Planet Earth
The problem is that the practical definition of positive morality, is the acceptance of misery ourselves, in the process of doing that which benefits others. Ayn Rand criticised what she referred to as Comtean altruism, but the sad truth is that said altruism is the only manner by which any form of life survives. Nature is ultimately a network of life forms which all die so that something else may live. The reason why the natural environment is increasingly ceasing to exist, is because humanity is now unwilling to live by that principle. If we forget it completely, then we will become extinct, and we will truly deserve to.
Self-sacrifice is the only real form of virtue that exists. It is the only real nobility. Everything else that we at least used to consider ethically positive, stems from it. I struggle with this, due to a chronic aversion to pain, and fear, and anger, and the usual disgusting emotional distractions which all of us have, which means that I have not lived by it to anywhere near the degree that I should have; but the most elevated and even euphoric moments of my existence, have come as a result of living by it. I write this because, if I am a hypocrite, then let someone else read it and be inspired to greater consistency than my own.
The first lesson one must learn is to forget one's self. To give out in love all that is possible from within yourself, and it shall be returned to you. These things that Christ spoke about, and all the great teachers, and all the great philosophers down through the ages, was that man himself should forget himself, that he in return might find himself.
When you lose yourself in a sea of love, then indeed do you find that you lap again the shores. It is as if you cast yourself into the cleansing power of the eternal sea of love, and you do not become drowned, but you become, as it were, lifted up - buoyed up by it - and you are carried by it, and in consequence, your work then begins. And many a shore you may be cast upon, and you will enable others to find that which you have found.-- Gandhi (http://www.leslieflint.com/gandhi).
The single greatest tragedy that has befallen humanity in the current age, is the fact that we are no longer truly willing to die for each other, or for the other forms of life that exist here. To the extent that we now have corrupt tyrannies in virtually every country on the planet, it is because we are unwilling to die. None of us are willing to be among those who governments initially kill, so that said governments can be replaced by those who it does not.
Petrus, that quote by Gandhi also mirrors the wisdom of Edgar Cayce, who stated that "emptying self of self allows us to find our true self, and connect to our higher self, in order to become our selfs"...
there are basically only 2 paths you can follow here, self-service or service to others,yet the end result is often the same, for those immersed in service to self, in the end, ultimately end up performing service to others, one way or another...
as for the planet itself, countless times the cycle has begun and ended, only to renew and begin again until the next extinction and beginning, yet lamestream archeology still sadly refuses to consider that the pyramids are far older than egyptian society, that the fore runner civilizations told about in the Vedas had a nuclear war, and that there is truth buried in every myth and legend...
but the puppetmasters try very hard to keep the blinders on the sheeple and quite often succeed, for the most part, as the cycle continues to play itself out and we head towards the next renewal of the cycle; we are overdue for the next cleansing/ ice age...