Project Camelot with Robert David Steele - Worth a look if you are interested in

[space otter]

hey fans
thanks for posting those two vids..been a long time since i watched any of their stuff  and at the beginning they were sourced of interest on a lot of levels
and the last of the second one where carie goes on about all the things /groups vying for control..
(of course  all of those groups are after them  )
interesting when you see it was 2011
i did skip thur it more than listened to all of it but enjoyed the trip to the past

[spacemaverick]

Kerry enjoys listening to herself speak, more than listening to her interviewees.  Bill is relatively humble, which means that after introducing his guests, and occasionally making a few limited comments, he gets out of the way and allows them to speak.

I liked Bill.  I think she would break into a conversation when Bill was asking a question and finally Bill got tired of it.  He then started his own site.

[ArMaP]

Fascism as a form of society and government, also has no long term point of sustainable equilibrium.

Having lived under a fascist regime for the first 11 years of my life, I would like to say that your interpretation of a fascist regime is pretty accurate.

[zorgon]

Also the info on the Vatican, without offending any practicing Catholic or those into Religion, and trying not to bang on about rampant paedophilia, they called their telescope Lucifer - someone has a great sense of humour at the Vatican it would seem.

LUCIFER is not nor was he ever SATAN   LUCIFER is the Bringer of Light  (Greek counterpart would be Prometheus who gave man fire and was punished)

So since a telescope brings light from the Heavens  LUCIFER is a very appropriate name.

Remember also that the Reptilian who had a chat with Eve in the Garden wanted to bring KNOWLEDGE to mankind while that Old Grey Beard just continuously wants you to grovel and remain a SHEEP

[zorgon]

THE TRUTH...

IMO not ONE of these whistle blowers or interviewees has the TRUTH...

Some may have hit on bits of truth, mostly by accident But they can't even agree with each other which one has THE truth...

Most of the Whistle Blowers that do the UFO circuit have adopted and added and embellished TRUTHS along the way to keep their audience happy....

The recent MUFON Secret Space program bull shit is the best example of how distorted any hope of truth has become... with the fall out that no one serious now believes ANY secret space program stuff... so I might as well give up

Bill Ryan invented the SERPO HOAX  Kerry Cassidy is a fruit cake, plain and simple, and will believe any story you tell her.

Years ago I was invited to lunch with them in Las Vegas... they wanted to do an interview...  Well I had really bad vibes about it, a gut feeling not to go... the next day I got an anonymous phone call telling me I would be wise NOT to go to this meeting. Since I already had bad feelings... I listened to the voice... told it I had already considered cancelling. He did not identify himself... I never found out who it was...

Later when there was the split... along came Project Avalon... the Bill Ryan Splinter from Project Camelot after the break up. John and I were invited to come on board.  HOWEVER that invitation came with a warning NOT to mess with their favorite poster boy whistle blower Henry Deacon.

Okay well  Henry Deacon claimed to be an insider from Los Alamos amd LLNL... he spoke of THREE points of interst to me at the time... SOLAR WARDEN (the first version of Secret Space program conspiracy) LOOKING GLASS and SHIVA NOVA  a giant laser...  He hinted he had inside info but could say nothing as he was involved...

Well dang, I thought... this is right up my alley  because I HAVE that info...  so I did like I always do.. made a long detailed post on Looking Glass and Shiva Nova.  (Solar Warden was what started me on the ATS Naval Space Command Thread)

So I posted the papers I had from Los Alamos on the Looking Glass project (that I was linked to by Ban Burisch) and I posted the following page on Shiva Nova.  So I expected kudos for having the actual TRUTH with the official papers to back it up

Directed Energy Weapons
Project Shiva Nova
Creating a Miniature Star on Earth
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/03files/Lasers_Shiva_Nova.html

That information came DIRECTLY from LLNL  albeit a secured government site, it was still in public domain IF you knew where to look

Well what happened was Henry Deacon threw a HISSY FIT and went ballistic... he deleted all my pages and I was banned. John too was banned for challenging Henry, because it was now obvious Henry was a total fraud and he was upset we upstaged him with real info that he didn't know was already online

Henry has numerous aliases  One is Blissmaker.  Under that Alias he posted several forums ranting about how Zorgon was attacking him and trying to discredit him... this was on ATS but Springer deleted it all.  Several other forums  Norval was there at the time...  It still survives today at GodLikeProductions  LOL  Here is the post....

Henry Deacon - Zorgon et alia - Godlike Productions
www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message618597/pg1
Sep 28, 2008 - ZORGON ACCUSES HENRY DEACON AND DOES NOT KNOW HENRY ... Alt+F4 Allows GodLikeProductions User to Check Current score in Thread Dialog.


Henry Deacon - Zorgon et alia
ZORGON ACCUSES HENRY DEACON AND DOES NOT KNOW HENRY DEACON.

HENRY DEACON DID NOT ATTACK ZORGON.
IN FACT IT WAS THE VERY OPPOSITE!

ZORGON KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT the original xxx.lanl.gov link (a url modified and incorrectly quoted/posted in Camelot's original report), SHIVA-NOVAs roots, or any of what HENRY DEACON may have been involved with.

LET's GET THE RECORD STRAIGHT.

I KNOW DR. DEACON AND HE IS NOT PLEASED WITH WHAT ZORGON AND HIS COHORTS ARE DOING. NOT ONLY ARE THERE FALSE ALLEGATIONS AND DISTORTED INFORMATION, BUT ALSO ZORGON AND HIS COHORTS ARE PRESENTING BAD DATA AND DISINFORMATION TO THE PUBLIC.
CREATING CONFUSION DURING A CRITICAL TIME IN HUMAN HISTORY.

THE TRUE INTENTIONS OF ZORGON ARE UNKNOWN AT THIS TIME.

SOME OF WHAT IS KNOWN ABOUT ZORGON IS STATED ABOVE.

DR. DEACON DOES NOT WISH TO BE INVOLVED IN CONFLICT WITH ANYONE. UNPROFESSIONAL AND IMMATURE BEHAVIOR IS ABHORRED.

HE WISHES ONLY TO PRESENT VALID AND ESSENTIAL DATA TO THE PUBLIC AS NEEDED FOR THEIR SAFETY, WELLBEING AND FOR GUIDANCE THROUGH DIFFICULT TIMES.

THIS IS IN RESPONSE TO THE MATERIAL QUOTED BELOW - FROM AN ATS POSTING.

------------------------------------------------------------
ZORGON WROTE:

"No you cannot read my threads because they have been deleted.

Bill says it was a 'hack' at the highest level or a 'rogue moderator'

Will since they run a php board which is EASY to hack (as we found out with three attempts) I can say its 'likely' HOWEVER with the way I was attacked by Henry Deacon via PM for posting the LLNL Shiva Nova Laser project and the LANL official doucument of Project Looking Glass... I am willing to bet there is a LOT more to this...

I suspect Henry went off the deep end because he did not KNOW that both those projects are available to the PUBLIC... in the USA if you know where to look.

In fact the Shiva Nova site was linked to me by another ex employee of LLNL (I thought it might have been Henry on another forum)

So since he brought both topics out in the Camelot interview, how can you throw a fit over someone following up on your info? Besides I had that data BEFORE I read Henry's interview and had written Bill about it before the Forum opened... This mail was apparently buried in a huge batch

Will I repost the material there? NO It takes me days to create those posts...

It is also likely that since I use a lot of .mil links that there is an issue because they are a UK forum... I know many .mil links will NOT work outside the USA

The really funny thing about all this is... OTHER than the 'UFO' topics, the US Military is VERY OPEN with information... You ought to see the stuff available on Beam Weapons in Space


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I dunno...I kinda lost steam for all of this now.
I will look forward to Norval's latest thread but, I dunno about the rest.
The Wind has been knocked out of my sails....


I hear you... ATS was doing the same... focusing on Celebrity sightings, UFO stories etc... but anything serious I posted there was dumped into skunkworks and forgotten

I asked for a forum area here, but it was decided by management here that I had so much stuff on my site that it wasn't necessary... even though the intent was to create focus summary threads...

The Wind has NOT been knocked out of my sails... but I now understand why all the popular UFO researchers are moving to a 'subscription only" base...

In my efforts to back up with facts and links the stuff people like John and Henry talk about... I have fallen way behind in keeping up with reral contacts like a semi retired CIA dude in Aus and even Ed Mitchell...

Seems my time has just been freed up 8-)"
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Get ahold of him and have him come over here---


we dont mind nonesense--- If he can take the Bs flags --he will be ok.
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Get ahold of him and have him come over here---
we dont mind nonesense--- If he can take the Bs flags --he will be ok.
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LOL I can take a lot... but the nonsense is not from my end...

I am already here and just how many threads is this going to be posted in? Seems to me a deliberate attempt at disinfo.

Surely the mods here are smart enough to recognize a deliberate smear campaign?

I already answer this in the exact same post HERE

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Take it to ATS ffs.

[zorgon]

Henry Deacon is also AKA Athur Nuemann (google that and just listen to him  LOL

Carol, a moderator at Project Avalon left and created a forum called Mysts of Avalon (stolen form me though it might be a coinsidence )  However she did copy my ENTIRE Naval Space Command thread from ATS and took credit for it.. AND said she was going to write a book... and had the audacity to hotlink the photos to my website (at that time bandwidth was expensive)  Well we got the lawyers after her

Still another off shoot forum from Avalon... (names slips my mind at the moment) Henry was Arch Angel (the owner) and Papa Smurf  during our time there Beth (Undo) received a phone call from someone claiming to be a NASA insider that had photos. One he sent was of a crater... that crater was on a NASA website as a crater in a driveway as an example... When we called his bluff, he then said he was an agent working from a suitcase phone  and made threats to Beth.  Later she told me her husband had received a call from work sayng" Would you like us to handle this guy?"  We never heard from Henry since  (Beths hubby then worked for 45th Wing Space Command at Patrick AFB)

So ANYTHING involved with Bill and Kerry to me sends up the RED FLAG  Yes they had some good interviews in the early days... but most of what I see today is 90% horse manure

[petrus4]

Having lived under a fascist regime for the first 11 years of my life, I would like to say that your interpretation of a fascist regime is pretty accurate.

Thank you, Armap.  I have spent more time studying the subject than is probably psychologically healthy, to be honest.  I think it's because I am aware that if a fascist state were to ever emerge in my own country, people like myself would be the first ones into the ovens.

[fansongecho]

@ArMaP, please forgive my ignorance, where was the first 11 years of your experience with Fascism ?

@Peterus, thanks for a detailed post re Fascism and the mechanics of .. very enlightening indeed. 

@Zorgon, colloquial terms and names for beings/subjects etc, just rewinding a little, as a young lad I recall quite well the vicar, and the lay preachers in my village preaching to us very impressionable kids that the Devil had many names, and could take many forms, Lucifer was one that kept being mentioned, so that is where my angle on the post about the telescope came from - Hhhhmmmmmm, your reference to the name being the light-bringer etc, can you give me details what religion or belief system that originates from please?, I would like to do some further research on that angle Z. 

RE Camelot, Some of the folks they mentioned on the video's I had a quick look at, the Italian guy they spoke about, I watched about 7 minutes of his interview and binned it right off, the same with H Deacon, and Dan Burisch and his MJ-12 fantasy - 

David "intuitive empath" Wilcock has agenda akin I think to 4 Names - IE pretend to be doing his own research about the many diverse subjects in the esoteric and I suspect will be producing a book/video/film plagiarising more of the noted the investigators works and research, I could be wrong but that is what my gut tells me. 

I think Kerry, is definitely on the ragged edge in her later interviews, and I get why Bill split with her and started off on his own -

With so much static and grief coming your way of ATS Zorgon why did you bother with them, it is obvious that they really didn't want you on that site m8? 


Cheers!


Fans' 

[ArMaP]

@ArMaP, please forgive my ignorance, where was the first 11 years of your experience with Fascism ?

Where I live, Portugal.

Portugal was under a dictatorship from 1926 (with a change in 1933) until 1974 (when I was 11 years old), when the Carnation Revolution changed Portugal into a democracy.

[zorgon]

@Zorgon, colloquial terms and names for beings/subjects etc, just rewinding a little, as a young lad I recall quite well the vicar, and the lay preachers in my village preaching to us very impressionable kids that the Devil had many names, and could take many forms, Lucifer was one that kept being mentioned, so that is where my angle on the post about the telescope came from - Hhhhmmmmmm, your reference to the name being the light-bringer etc, can you give me details what religion or belief system that originates from please?, I would like to do some further research on that angle Z. 

Wikipedia is useful for quick basic facts   Lucifer is only mentioned ONCE in the King James version  and that is referenced to Venus (the planet) Lucifer is Latin for Light Bringer

Lucifer is a name that, according to dictionaries of the English language, refers either to the Devil or to the planet Venus when appearing as the morning star.

As a name for the Devil, the more common meaning in English, "Lucifer" is the rendering of the Hebrew word הֵילֵל‎ in Isaiah (Isaiah 14:12) given in the King James Version of the Bible. The translators of this version took the word from the Latin Vulgate, which translated הֵילֵל by the Latin word lucifer (uncapitalized), meaning "the morning star, the planet Venus", or, as an adjective, "light-bringing".

As a name for the morning star, "Lucifer" is a proper name and is capitalized in English. In Greco-Roman civilization the morning star was also personified and considered a pagan god. At that time the distinction between capitalized and lower-case letters had not yet been invented.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer

Lucifer The Light-Bringer

Hi! I'm sure this hub is gonna ruffle a few Christian feathers, but I don't mean any harm by anything I say...just bringing up some points that seem valid to me. So try to keep an open mind and your emotions in check, until you've heard what I have to say. Thanks!

You've been duped, hoodwinked, as Malcolm X once told black people, about God, Jesus, Lucifer and Satan. (Malcolm was referring to the history of black people)

But first, before we get to the meat of our meal, a few definitions.

Jesus as a light-bringer

Jesus was a light-bringer who claimed to bring light (knowledge) to the world. He even claimed to be the very light he brought! Jesus was a Lucifer?

Jesus even says he's the son of Lucifer

"I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things for the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, the bright, the morning star".(The American Standard version)

Jesus said David is Lucifer (the morning star) and he's Lucifer's (David) son.

Interesting!

And the plot thickens!

https://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/Everything-You-Never-Wanted-To-Know-About-Lucifer-The-Light-Bringer

[zorgon]

RE Camelot, Some of the folks they mentioned on the video's I had a quick look at, the Italian guy they spoke about, I watched about 7 minutes of his interview and binned it right off, the same with H Deacon, and Dan Burisch and his MJ-12 fantasy - 

Dan Burisch is an enigma  He mixes a lot of truth with bullshit. Now John told me they do that to stay alive...  that could be true... and you have to dig through the manure for the gems... but it could also be that a good story teller or bullshitter mixes in enough truth to a story to hook the gullible

Now Dan did lead me to the Los Alamos official paper on Looking Glass  but what the paper deswcribes is not what he later claims ... that the Looking Glass is a stargate device at S4


In the end its all about money and there 15 minutes of fame under the spotlight  and the fickle Believer audience gives it to them and PAYS big bucks to be fed this bullshit.  In fact I am about to make a post about such abuse

David "intuitive empath" Wilcock has agenda akin I think to 4 Names - IE pretend to be doing his own research about the many diverse subjects in the esoteric and I suspect will be producing a book/video/film plagiarising more of the noted the investigators works and research, I could be wrong but that is what my gut tells me. 

Your gut would be right  but seeing a recent post on facebook by a groupie, 4 names is already on the UFO circuit using John's material

With so much static and grief coming your way of ATS Zorgon why did you bother with them, it is obvious that they really didn't want you on that site m8? 

Well at the time Camelot was doing good videos of John Lear... We had no idea the whole thing was about to collapse...   Pulled out of any contact with them after that other than sharing to old JL videos... but by then the damage was done.

I also posted a lot of stuff on Open Minds... that place had a major conundrum involving Edgar Fuche who decided to take a wrong spin with John and Myself.. Several of the mods especially CaliKid sided with him and it turned nasty  so nasty that ProBoard (the hosting company for that free forum) just shut down OM and deleted everything...  That crew started a new site and continued the crap  until I sent a cease and desist letter from my lawyer. After that Ed went to Alien Scientist    I will leave it at that... Ed has now passed away... and a day after that obviously fake TR3B Patent was released.... Hmmmmmm?

[fansongecho]

@ArMaP, thanks for the information, more white bread education in the UK, I never knew that, we are told about the Spanish revolution, but the only bit of information we have about Portugal are the famous cork growing tree's, the earthquake that flattened Lisbon in 17?? -

@Z re Lucifer, thanks for the links and info - is there any wonder I don't like religion(s) ??
Thanks for the other info re Camelot and the various snake oil salesmen masqurading as leading lights (lol, see what I did there ?  in the UFO field - 

Laterzz,

Fansongecho 

[ArMaP]

@ArMaP, thanks for the information, more white bread education in the UK, I never knew that, we are told about the Spanish revolution, but the only bit of information we have about Portugal are the famous cork growing tree's, the earthquake that flattened Lisbon in 17?? -

Portugal and the UK have a long common history (both countries have the oldest alliance still in effect, the Anglo-Portuguese Alliance, signed in 1373). British crusaders helped reconquer several towns along the Portuguese coast, including Lisbon (where I was born) and Almada (where I live). In Almada we have two streets with names (in their Portuguese versions) of two crusaders that are traditionally linked to the conquest of Lisbon. In more more recent times we still had a big commercial relationship, and in Almada there's a large house that belonged to a British (Scottish) family, the Buchkall, that owned a shipping company that transported cork to the UK and latter (in the XIX th century) made a factory in Almada. The workers from that factory created a mutual aid society (the precursors of social security) that still exists.

The earthquake happened in 1755.

@Z re Lucifer, thanks for the links and info - is there any wonder I don't like religion(s) ??

I like religions, from a psychological and sociological point of view, they tell a lot about human nature.

[ArMaP]

I also posted a lot of stuff on Open Minds... that place had a major conundrum involving Edgar Fuche who decided to take a wrong spin with John and Myself.. Several of the mods especially CaliKid sided with him and it turned nasty  so nasty that ProBoard (the hosting company for that free forum) just shut down OM and deleted everything...

I may be wrong, but I think I have a copy of that forum with some 47,000 html pages. I'll send you a link.

[spacemaverick]

I may be wrong, but I think I have a copy of that forum with some 47,000 html pages. I'll send you a link.

You may find some of the information on OMF on the Internet Wayback <achine.