Project Camelot with Robert David Steele - Worth a look if you are interested in

[fansongecho]

Hi Gang,

I pulled together the below list - This is the fast and dirty overview of my thoughts on the Project Camelot topic that is this thread. *disclaimer, I am not trying to push my views and beliefs on anyone, but I thought it might be useful to see what folks think ?

- The Secret Space Prog -  The SSP I do believe exists.

- Bases on the moon & mars – I think that we did go to the moon but not with the 60's NASA equipment, not sure about bases up there that are supposed to be human, but I DO think there may well be alien bases on the dark side of the moon.

- Whistle-blowers – Arthur Neumann / henry deacon, hhhhmmm, not sure about this cat, why has he got two names ?  I need to do more research on him

- Pete Peterson, for me at least comes across as very credible and I do believe him on is Camelot interviews.

- Robert Dean – Not sure what his agenda is ??

- Brian O'Leary – very believable and watchable-

- Gordon Novel – A fascinating man, with some interesting stories and contacts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ly99ZSiqJ7M&list=PLCBWchjKJd6PVYwmBoG2glv2c1HWDxay3&index=1

- Super soldiers??  I don't know enough about them, I do believe there are advances in medicine / science that can enhance soldiers / humans – and I know that powers that are would use any means necessary to enhance the military, and not care about any ethical angles.

- Nanosatellites – yes, I do believe that there is a network of nanosatellites.

- ET how many races – 100,000's, I do believe there are – not sure about how many are on Earth, why would they want anything to do with us ?? we can't even get on with our local neighbours, so why would they think we will / would get on with them? – There are too many powerful figures who are corrupt that make all the decisions for humanity, and keep us at war, and most of the world in poverty.

- Gordon Duff – I don't know anything about him, so I need to do more research on him -

- ET Agenda – bad guys takeover?? I do believe that there are numerous types of aliens visiting this mud ball for several reasons, but I don't think that we have "alliances" with any of them.

- Depopulation – Yes, I do believe that there is a depopulation agenda.
US/UK Obesity is a planned program, I totally believe that there is a connection between Big Pharma, and the major food producers to fatten us up and make us less healthy and open to disease.

- Stargate program – Yes, I do believe they exist on earth and I think that they are from a millennium's old technology / civilisation, covered up by the establishments around the world.

- Linear accelerators – cover for stargates – I don't know how they would keep these secrets.

- Vietnam war – giant spider war – hammam yea, I don't buy into this one.

- Enders game / halo games –  The kids of today won't be fighting anyone, as they are tending to obesity and sloth like.

- Robert David Steele – don't know enough about him

- Secret History of earth – Yep, there is a whole pre-history that is being supressed by the establishment.
Free Energy, yes, I do believe that technology exits but won't be released to the public because of the Petro-dollar.

- Artificial Intelligence exits, and has been in use longer than we think in general

- Time travel – how did the Nazi's lose the war ??, I keep reading stories about the advances they either had or were given, so how did they lose the 2nd world war?  I suspect that they had advanced R&D programmes, but I don't believe that they had the weapons that are talked about in the alternate media.

- The Human experiment – This I do believe, but I don't know who or why we were created

Cheers!

Fansongecho 

[ArMaP]

My beef is with the zeolots that use religion to further their own particular ideological ends, or use religion to conquer, oppress and abuse.

Then it's not a problem with the religions themselves but with the people that use them as a tool to reach their goals? OK.

As I mentioned before I am not religous and I never will be, it may seem that I am having a pop against one faith in particular, but the reality is I am wary of all of the religions that I have come into direct contact with.

Just to make things clear, for those that don't know it, I'm an atheist.

[fansongecho]

Hi ArMaP, the people ARE their religion.

I did not know that you were an atheist buddy.

Peaceout - 

Fans' 

Edit** - WOW Gordon Duff is living a charmed life, if this video and others have any truth too them..  I suspect that he may end up on the "committed suicide in mysterious fashion" pile of reported crimes - 

[zorgon]

Just to make things clear, for those that don't know it, I'm an atheist.

WHAT?!?!  You don't believe in Aliens? 

[zorgon]

No, it doesn't take much to start "connecting the dots", but do the dots really exist?

When it comes to RC priests and abuse of children, its not dots... it has been blatantly in the open for decades... but they just remove a preist from the location where they were caught and move them to another parish

A simple google search will produce a gadzillion cases. problem is NO ONE is really doing anything to stop it.

Search "priest caught in child abuse"  here is page one

Priest Arrested for Child Rape - ABC News
https://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=91695&page=1
May 2, 2002 - Shanley was arrested after television crews tracked him down in San ... Although many child sex-abuse charges against priests are too old to ...

Priest Whose Home Was Filled with Drugs and Child Porn Posed as ...
www.newsweek.com/priest-whose-home-filled-drugs-and-child-porn-posed-child-abu...
Feb 14, 2018 - A former Catholic priest who posed as campaigner against child abuse was arrested Friday over possession of child pornography, as well as ...

Catholic Church sexual abuse cases - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_cases
Cases of child sexual abuse by Catholic priests, nuns and members of religious orders, and ..... Between February and April 2014, three other Catholic priests were arrested in the state of Kerala on charges of raping minors. In 2016, the Catholic ...

‎Catholic sex abuse cases in ... · ‎Catholic Church sex abuse ... · ‎George Pell
Christian Priests Convicted for Sexual Abuse - Ranker
https://www.ranker.com/list/christian-priests-convicted...sexual-abuse/robert-wabash

Priests who have been merely accused of sex abuse are not included in this list. Only priests legally convicted for sexual abuse of a minor or priests caught ...
Timeline: Catholic Church's sex abuse scandals - CNN - CNN.com
https://www.cnn.com/2017/06/29/world/timeline-catholic...sexual-abuse.../index.html

Jun 29, 2017 - Australia: 4,444 children abused by priests 01:36 ... Wesolowski was the highest-ranking Catholic official arrested for alleged sexual abuse of minors. ... Children accused more than 4,000 priests of sexual abuse between ...

Pedophile priest convicted by German court of 108 cases of child abuse
www.dw.com/en/pedophile-priest-convicted-by...court...child-abuse/a-42699337
Feb 22, 2018 - A German priest has been sent to a psychiatric institution after pleading guilty to a string of child abuse offenses. He was previously defrocked ...

Catholic child abuse: 164 allegations against 85 priests have led to ...
www.thejournal.ie/.../catholic-child-abuse-187-allegations-against-98-priests-have-led...
Apr 24, 2013 - Catholic child abuse: 164 allegations against 85 priests have led to zero ......
Stockholm Syndrome and do not realise they are caught in a web.

Vatican reveals how many priests defrocked for sex abuse since 2004 ...
https://www.cbsnews.com/.../vatican-reveals-how-many-priests-defrocked-for-sex-abu...
May 7, 2014 - GENEVA -- The Vatican revealed Tuesday that over the past decade, it has defrocked 848 priests who raped or molested children and ...

The Vatican's child abuse response - BBC News
www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-25757218
Apr 11, 2014 - How the scandal highlighting sexual abuse of thousands of children by ... cases of molestation by priests came to light, in the US and Canada.

Pope Francis lambasts Catholic bishops who helped cover up child ...
https://www.theguardian.com/.../pope-francis-catholic-bishops-child-paedophile-abuse...
Jul 7, 2014 - Leaders of the Roman Catholic church who failed to "respond adequately" to reports of child sex abuse by paedophile priests caused "even ...
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So that is a lot of DOTS is it not?

[ArMaP]

A simple google search will produce a gadzillion cases.

That means nothing.

problem is NO ONE is really doing anything to stop it.

Even if they are doing something, that type of news is not as popular as priests being accused of child abuse.

So that is a lot of DOTS is it not?

Maybe. How many of those are confirmed? How many of those are about the same cases? Also, sexual child abuse by priests it's not the same thing as organised sexual child abuse by the church, and that was the kind of thing I was thinking about when I asked if the dots really exist.

Any kind of criminal minded person searches an environment that helps them do the crimes they prefer, so child molesters look for jobs/places in which they can easily get access to children, in the same way arsonists prefer being firemen than priests.

[petrus4]

- Time travel – how did the Nazi's lose the war ??, I keep reading stories about the advances they either had or were given, so how did they lose the 2nd world war?

The Germans lost WW2 primarily because Hitler was an insane, narcissistic demoniac, who believed his own hype about a divine manifest destiny, and thought he couldn't lose no matter what he did.  In order to prove that, he tried to conquer Russia via a land war in the middle of winter.  You really don't need to know much about military science in order to understand why that was a bad idea.



The single worst thing about the current fascist revival, in my mind, is their insistence on claiming that Hitler was some sort of misunderstood genius.  He wasn't.  He was an evil, deranged thug, who obtained his position exclusively due to his ability to manipulate the worst aspects of human nature.  Some people rave on about how he rebuilt the German economy, but in reality, the only way he did that, was by employing half the population in the munitions or military support industries, and putting the other half in the military itself.  I'd be tempted to say that war was the only thing he understood, except that in the final analysis he wasn't very good at that, either.

[fansongecho]

Hi Petrus, the question was rhetorical my friend, maybe it didn't read that way?? sorry 

I was driving at the stories of the Vril, the "advanced" German Bell, the stories that the Germans had Plutonium and sold it to the US, and finally the stories that the Germans had a saucer and more, and that is what they used at their base in the Antarctic and kicked Admiral Bird and his battlegroup with just after the war -

My point is/was, IF they had all this advanced technology how come they lost the war?..  meaning I don't believe they did have the technology as reported by various UFO investigators, although it makes for left-field reading -

RE Hitler yes indeed he was a total lunatic, (although some might say he was protected to survive the assignation attempts) and failing to strike to recognise his own limitations with strategic planning, did his plans for world domination totally in, that said, who funded Germanys war effort / industrialisation when they were bankrupt in the 30's??    -

I am planning on buying this book - https://www.amazon.com/dp/0805087265/?tag=stackoverflow17-20

Cheers Petrus, have a good one. 

Fans'

PS - My dad told that when he was guard of German prisoners in Italy , they would often say that Germany never wanted a war with Great Britain, and that we should have joined forces with Germany, dad's reply was always that we could never turn to Nazi'ism -

PPS - I wonder how much of the looted treasures and money and gold was returned to its rightful owners by the allied powers once the war was over?? 

[spacemaverick]

I was a fan of Project Camelot from the start, but as time went on I saw it be lacking and the far-out things that would come out.  It seemed nothing could be verified.  Kerry Cassidy does not know how to interview or how to control and interviews in my humble opinion.  Things got worse later on when she turned it into a money maker and would grab all the interviews she could.  It finally lapsed into total confusion in my opinion.  But that's just my opinion.

[fansongecho]

I wonder what happened with her and Bill? something the interviews where ok when he was leading them, but as you say Spacemaverick, Kerry C doesn't know how to interview and recently she is starting to look very "on the edge" in her appearance and demeanour - Cheers ! Fans' 

[fansongecho]

Bill and Kerry chatting to Mel Fabrgas, about the break up -

[ArMaP]

My point is/was, IF they had all this advanced technology how come they lost the war?..  meaning I don't believe they did have the technology as reported by various UFO investigators, although it makes for left-field reading -

Having the technology is only one part, if you don't have the materials you cannot apply the technology.

PS: I don't think they had the technology, but my sceptic mind made me write the above sentence.

[fansongecho]

Indeed ArMaP, I agree, and I get why you posted 

This is the second part of that interview -



I am going to dig out some of the Whistle-blower's they mentioned in Part-1 of interview and have a look at the stories, the Jake Simpson one sounded very interesting -

Laterzz,

Fanzzz...   

[petrus4]

My point is/was, IF they had all this advanced technology how come they lost the war?..

Hubris, and belief that they could not lose.  I don't know whether or not they had alien technology, although I do believe that the Germans were (for the time, at least) prodigiously advanced technologically, and possibly even moreso than the Allies.  In my observation, as a distinct ethnic group, Germans consistently have two defining characteristics; an unusually strong degree of affinity for engineering, and an equally strong desire to subjugate others.

RE Hitler yes indeed he was a total lunatic, (although some might say he was protected to survive the assignation attempts) and failing to strike to recognise his own limitations with strategic planning, did his plans for world domination totally in, that said, who funded Germanys war effort / industrialisation when they were bankrupt in the 30's??

Time is an ally of those who defend, and an enemy of those who attack.  The simple reason for this is the fact that attacking by definition requires great energy, which means that it can not be sustained on an indefinite, or even a long term basis.  It is therefore much easier to defeat someone who is offensively, rather than defensively oriented; which the Germans were.

In any computer game I play which involves some form of competition, I almost always adopt a strategy of defensive attrition.  As long as I am on the right side of the Loss Exchange Ratio, this means that even if I lose individual engagements, I will still make progress towards winning an overall campaign.

"Give them nothing, but take from them, everything!"



There is a squad-based tactical game called UFO: Enemy Unknown, which I possess a copy of.  It is a game in which extraterrestrials invade Earth, and the player fights them in turn based contests.  One of the species in the game are called the Chryssalids, and they are greatly feared by most players, because in addition to being very well armoured, they have the ability to convert the player's units into more of their own; similar to the Borg ability to assimilate humans.

In my last match against them, I lost 8 units in a ten unit squad.  The Chryssalids lost 28.  That is a loss exchange ratio in my favour, of 3.5 to 1.  Given that the objective was to wipe out their squad, I won.

PS - My dad told that when he was guard of German prisoners in Italy , they would often say that Germany never wanted a war with Great Britain, and that we should have joined forces with Germany, dad's reply was always that we could never turn to Nazi'ism -

Fascists will often tell you that you should join them.  That offer, however, is only extended to those who are firstly of their own skin colour, and secondly those who are willing to think like them in literally every degree.  The moment you are seen to deviate, you can expect to be executed.

Fascism as a form of society and government, also has no long term point of sustainable equilibrium.  This is for three main reasons.

a}  Within a fascist state, there is constant pressure for the number of legally permissible actions, to reach absolute zero.

b}  Because of a}, it is customary for the death penalty to become the default punishment for almost any crime; if for no other reason than simply because if everything is a crime, there will never be enough prison space to house all of the supposed criminals.

c}  Fascism perpetuates itself via keeping the internal population of the state, focused on a scapegoat or threat which originates from outside it.  This is because a constant external threat is necessary to distract the population from the intolerable political conditions within the state itself.  So there always has to be a new scapegoat or threat, and if one can not be found externally to the state, then it will be manufactured within the state itself.

As a result of these three points, the fascist event loop only has two possible termination conditions; either revolution in which the fascist state is removed, or the eventual complete depopulation of the country, due to the fact that ultimately, everyone will be considered a criminal and murdered.  The negative polarity is ultimately based on elimination or competition, and when taken to its' ultimate degree, competition means that only one person can be left standing.  This is the same principle behind the functioning of a black hole.

You will observe that the first step, preceding the current fascist revival, was to attempt to completely deny the reality of the Holocaust.  This is because fascism can only be made appealing to its' potential adherents, if they remain ignorant of the fact that large scale death is the only possible outcome of a fascist state.

[petrus4]

I wonder what happened with her and Bill? something the interviews where ok when he was leading them

Kerry enjoys listening to herself speak, more than listening to her interviewees.  Bill is relatively humble, which means that after introducing his guests, and occasionally making a few limited comments, he gets out of the way and allows them to speak.