Pegasus Research Consortium

https://youtu.be/Zn9RrAv60uM

Looks pretty damn snazzy. 'Mirin especially them cut-scenes, they cut a real cool aesthetic.

Apparently the new movie is narrated by Mickey Rourke.

It appears Bob has taken a shine to 4 names since he was the one who found Dr. Krangle who confirms Bob's employment as a physicist with a TS clearance at Los Alamos Labs, and has given him unprecedented access to his video library.

The imaging team also plans to release a new Bob Lazar movie early next year dealing with forensic image analysis of the footage Bob took, out at Area 51.

Bob has seen this analysis, sent to him from the very first days it was produced. He was astounded and wanted to know how we had managed to restore the details to the film, especially the purple glow along the bottom, and that it looked exactly like what they had seen that night. We have since done several more analysis with newer and more sophisticated tools and have always sent them along to Bob.

The team has also run forensic analysis on my footage as well, and I have to agree with Bob's comments and am astounded as well at how they managed to restore so much detail to the image.


For those that have not seen it, here is the early analysis of Bob's footage as well as some of the later analysis as well -


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jco0OV-6A6k


www.image-analysis-team.com (http://www.image-analysis-team.com)

i wish the deuem process could be done on it.
but over all i like what they did.slowing it down and stabilizing it is a hand clap moment.good job!
kinda hypnotic.how about a ond hour vid with that music.sell it as a cheap dvd.for stoners!

My favorite part in the video I posted is at 1:20 where we begin to see a Jacobs Ladder type effect on the surface of the craft, except the steps of the ladder are moving downward unlike electronics 101 where we always see the steps moving upward.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hhaaSSCU5k


To see this effect should not be a surprise since we know the surface of these craft are an extreme high voltage environment, hence the self luminosity at night.

The change in direction seen in the steps is probably induced by the shape of the craft.


A movie along the lines of what you wished for is already in the works, 2 years in the making, scheduled for release next year.

Mickey Rourke narrating -

https://player.vimeo.com/video/299896359

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4s1b6pOTJ08

Is A51 or anyone able to attend the Premiere.

Someone posted a link to PRC on Dreamland resort forum

would that be Zorgon ?

http://dreamlandresort.com/forum/messages/45661.html

QuoteYou are invited to join us for the world premiere, hosted by filmmaker Jeremy Corbell and Bob Lazar. It will be an evening to remember.

Area 51, flying saucers from another world - and the program to create a fierce technology. Former Government physicist Bob Lazar remains the singular most famous and controversial name in the world of UFOs. Lazar made headlines world-wide in 1989 when he came forward with his account of reverse-engineering an alien spacecraft for the US Military. The reason you know about Area 51 is because Lazar came forward and told you about it. His disclosures have turned his life upside-down and he has tried to stay out of the spotlight. For this reason, he has never let any filmmaker into the private world of his daily life - that is - until now.

Corbell's film intimately chronicles the challenges and travails of a cosmic whistleblower. It investigates Lazar's groundbreaking claims and the devastating impact they have had on his life over the course of the last thirty years; including rare and never before revealed footage guaranteed to alter the landscape of the debate.

RUNTIME: 1 hr 37 min
WEBSITE: TheLazarStory.com

https://www.extraordinarybeliefs.com/bob-lazar-film-premiere

No, Astro, it wasn't Zorgon, already confirmed it with him  8)

thankyou for the invite but my saucer is in the shop for repairs,so i dont have enough time to get there.i wish bob and the movie great success.ill buy it on dvd once its out as a token of gratitude for their hard work making this happen!

 ::)

https://youtu.be/cpbbuaIA3Ds

https://youtu.be/GXE_n2q08Yw

robo - The pilots don't look much like Japs -


(https://static1.squarespace.com/static/54247d50e4b016149c77301f/5bd624948165f5a5e91c1d94/5bd624948165f5a5e91c1d9b/1540764043341/BOB+LAZAR+3.jpg?format=1000w)

again you would have to go to tap to see my full explanation and as coincedences would be,its one of my most recent threads.
on enzymeosis transfer of dna.high probability there has been ongoing experimentation of human mutations by japs and germans.
i give a more detailed explanation at this thread.

http://tapyoureit.boards.net/thread/157/longevity-alien-hybrid-connection

Towards the end of this video it is stated publicly that Bob is receiving nothing from this film.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H_V1ZTchU8

Good that you found part of the event A51

Do you think that the whole of the film prem maybe placed on Youtube soon.

Would have been good if youself,  John or Ron or some members could not have attended...

Quote from: A51Watcher on December 07, 2018, 10:01:14 PM
Towards the end of this video it is stated publicly that Bob is receiving nothing from this film.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H_V1ZTchU8

Seemed a coincidence Seeker , that one of the Dreamland members was also called Ron and that he or some other member related to PRC / LM forum

QuoteNo, Astro, it wasn't Zorgon, already confirmed it with him  8)

Astro, we do have a staff member here whose email is Ron Rummel...

8)

All I'm going to say is all is not as it seems. I've heard that Mr. 4 names said some pretty ugly things to people online when asking questions. I also heard Cassidy was treated pretty badly too.  Don't know the full extent , but We'll see.

I see that Kevin Moor is calling out K Cassidy and her Mark Richards SSP story - in fact I saw a background thread on the Project Avelon forum totally trashes (with good reason) the whole background and story line Sgt RnR..  let me see if I can find it bud.  :o

Cheers,  :)

Fans'

EDIT** - The Case Details https://caselaw.findlaw.com/ca-court-of-appeal/1840271.html

Kevin Moore & Richard Dolan - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Frags82nnio&t=2s

http://murderpedia.org/male.H/h/hoover-crossan-david.htm

well maybe Bob isn't getting any money but someone sure is

and why is this considered topical anymore?
it was yearssssssss ago

how long has it been since any of us have seen / experienced anything like this?....
the experiences have taken a different route for most
at least i think so...

hell maybe not   

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRuthmYaobO9CZXPwjuLW9peigfGIwz8LuCOsOcJBMGUUC6SGqr) 

Maybe I should have known better Seeker...

However I did not think that PRC member R.R any longer was visiting Dreamland Forum.

I say this as over the last few years when I visted that forum.. if anyone mentioned Bob Lazar... they would be ridiculed and told he was a fraud...

(However I think the responce was more receptive on this latest set of replies to the thread posted on DLR about Bobs Movie trialer)

I also think its monitored by CIA who try to deny anything related to Bob...

Whether Joerg is connected to that I am not fully sure..but he has other members who I believe  are.... some of the Road runners as an eg...and some former ex/ Area 51 employees.

Quote from: The Seeker on December 11, 2018, 12:14:15 AM
Astro, we do have a staff member here whose email is Ron Rummel...

8)

Bobs story maybe 30 years old Space otter.. but  followers of his story who may consider it could be truth... its still a main topic... and especially if theres some new movie about it..
which to be honest... could have been done a long time ago you would have thought.. and could have been made into a good movie if done by the right people.

Also I am sure A51 is still as keen on it as I am sure you are well aware. !

But maybe a lot of other members no longer seem too responsive over it...

Quote
and why is this considered topical anymore?
it was yearssssssss ago

Quote from: space otter on December 11, 2018, 05:11:52 AM

well maybe Bob isn't getting any money but someone sure is

and why is this considered topical anymore?
it was yearssssssss ago

how long has it been since any of us have seen / experienced anything like this?....
the experiences have taken a different route for most
at least i think so...

hell maybe not   

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRuthmYaobO9CZXPwjuLW9peigfGIwz8LuCOsOcJBMGUUC6SGqr)

Astro

that post of mine was a failure..
it was around 50 some years ago already

i was hoping that someone/s would jump in with more stories on what they have seen since then..

sigh..

it didn't work...
no one wants to share their stories..

well except those of us who already have
and i am sure A51 is going to have some really good stories in his book..which we are waiting for

how's it comin 51?

btw
i caught parts of this  last night..it looked worth veiwing the whole if i get a chance
Travel Channel's UFOs: The Lost Evidence | Travel Channel
https://www.travelchannel.com › Shows
An examination of evidence that suggests that UFOs have tracked, and possibly influenced, mankind throughout history. ... An ultra top-secret military base and the deathbed confessions of some of the brightest minds of the 20th century could provide real evidence of the existence of ...


but now i want to go look up all the guys who right before 9/11
testified to the truth of the ufo stuff..

it's probably on here somewhere..seeing that tiny bit of the vid jogged my memory of folks here conversing about that very thing

found this so far

Sep 8, 2011 -  August,  Leeds Exopolitics Conference..going hunting ;D

Quote from: space otter on December 13, 2018, 09:39:52 PM
Astro

that post of mine was a failure..
it was around 50 some years ago already

i was hoping that someone/s would jump in with more stories on what they have seen since then..

sigh..

it didn't work...
no one wants to share their stories..

well except those of us who already have
and i am sure A51 is going to have some really good stories in his book..which we are waiting for

how's it comin 51?


Some periods faster than others. Lot of transition goin on in my life.


btw
i caught parts of this  last night..it looked worth veiwing the whole if i get a chance
Travel Channel's UFOs: The Lost Evidence | Travel Channel
https://www.travelchannel.com › Shows
An examination of evidence that suggests that UFOs have tracked, and possibly influenced, mankind throughout history. ... An ultra top-secret military base and the deathbed confessions of some of the brightest minds of the 20th century could provide real evidence of the existence of ...


but now i want to go look up all the guys who right before 9/11
testified to the truth of the ufo stuff..

it's probably on here somewhere..seeing that tiny bit of the vid jogged my memory of folks here conversing about that very thing

found this so far

Sep 8, 2011 -  August,  Leeds Exopolitics Conference..going hunting ;D

John's Birthday party  Dec 04 2018...

It was a quiet get together this year, mostly new people and no cameras  LOL.  One person of note was Gene Huff...

This is Gene saying goodbye to John (me in green sweater)

(http://thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/John/Birthday-Dec-2018-002a.jpg)


Now Gene Huff had some interesting things to say... and was kinda taking the floor :D

It seem that he is responsible for 4 Names getting to meet up with Bob Lazar.  Something he now regrets...

Gene spend a lot of time taking down 4 names... he basically called him a "Star Fvcker.." only in it for his own glory and being a lap puppy to people like George Knapp etc...

He said when 4 Names was over at Bob's house he had the camera on when Bob came out for breakfast and asked him on camera... "So did you steal that 115 sample? and where is it?"  Apparently that caught Bob off guard and he was pissed about that.  no way he is going to admit to that on camera.  It was really an unfair attack...

So at this point it seems that the 4 Names caper has put a strain on Gene and bob's relation... we shall see how that works out...

But meanwhile Gene is not to happy with 4 Names and his so called 'documentary skills'

Gene also let drop, during a question about the murder of Bob's earlier wife, that Bob OWNED that brothel  so had access to women if he needed  .. That was kind of a bomb shell...

Other than that it was a quiet little gathering, mostly some new people...

Gena also said that Bob NEVER worked at Los Alamos and that the screenplay that he wrote (anyone have a copy?) is about as close to the truth as we are going to get...

I will try to email Gene and get more details. Remember that this was said at John's party

From Coast to Coast website
https://www.coasttocoastam.com/guest/gene-huff/6708

Gene Huff moved to Las Vegas in 1979 and then met Bob Lazar in the mid-1980s. He has owned a real estate appraisal business for the past 25 years. He knew Bob Lazar before, during and after he was in the flying disc reverse engineering program at S-4. He wrote the video tape "The Lazar Tape and Excerpts from the Government Bible" and co-produced it with Bob. He also wrote the screenplay "S4, The Bob Lazar Story" which has twice been optioned by Hollywood studios but has not yet been made. He also co-owned Tri-Dot Productions with Bob and produced the "Desert Blast" summer fireworks, guns, & explosives blowout for 10 years with Bob before he moved to New Mexico a few years ago. He is currently working on 2 different screenplays and researching a book on why it's dangerous to admit you're an American while traveling abroad in today's world, how and why things got that way, and how we can prevent it from getting worse in the future.

The site refers to Huff as a 'screenwriter' several times... 8)

Hey Zorgon
You said the Huff said the following:
"Gene also let drop, during a question about the murder of Bob's earlier wife"  You are talking about Carol Lazar maiden name Carol Nadine Strong ? I thought she committed suicide due to carbon monoxide poisoning ?

Quote from: bigpappy51 on December 18, 2018, 11:59:05 PM
Hey Zorgon
You said the Huff said the following:
"Gene also let drop, during a question about the murder of Bob's earlier wife"  You are talking about Carol Lazar maiden name Carol Nadine Strong ? I thought she committed suicide due to carbon monoxide poisoning ?

yup dat's what i said but what do I know? :P I have been told I must go to john's house for
re-education 


:o

::)

There have been FOIAs filed on why The Feds were at Bobs by 2 guys I know one is very famous very famous Zorgon I will tell you in private. If it concerns an an going investigation they wont tell you anything.

On Reddit July 17 2017 when Bobs home was raided he said it was about a guy who murdered his wife tear ago which I found rather strange ?? I can give you the link. The Element 115 Plot in the movie while Bob is holding beryllium is BS I have the movie if you want to see it Ron contact me have an easy way fo you to watch it. I have watched it 7 times.

John Lear on Kerri Cassidy the day of his birthday said it was a raid and DEA came there to get something and Bob gave it to them what I find odd is John said that Bob told the The DEA "You guys put it here I been holding it for you " So which story is true

Why would the Govt wait 30 years to search hi property for Element 115 ? I think Corbell and lazar made that the movie plot.

https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/6oah31/bob_lazars_business_united_nuclear_was_just/

Quote from an Employee United Nuclear in which he provides the photo posted below of Lazar and the date.
United Nuclear employee here: http://imgur.com/a/IcqDq

Before the rumor mill gets out of control we wanted to set the record straight.
"We had a customer a few years ago that murdered his wife.  FBI local law enforcement came with a warrant to get our records on him. We provided them the documents and all the info we had on him"

Quote from: A51Watcher on December 07, 2018, 10:01:14 PM
Towards the end of this video it is stated publicly that Bob is receiving nothing from this film.

Yes I heard Corbell say that to I don't believe anything he says he h lied over and over again. I also heard Bob say he wasn't taking any money for the film . What about his wife ?

You know its amazing what an 80s camcorder can do to a bright light. I seen the digital manipulation done to Lazars analog 1989 video I have dvd copies of it in my drawer from John Lear. I could turn the craft into a triangle if I anted as well with modern software. When viewing a light source from 26 miles away against a bright sky you may get the same effect as below must watch till the end.

https://youtu.be/ZOEpQLdLnsA (https://youtu.be/ZOEpQLdLnsA)

Quote from: bigpappy51 on December 19, 2018, 01:10:37 PM
Before the rumor mill gets out of control we wanted to set the record straight.
"We had a customer a few years ago that murdered his wife.  FBI local law enforcement came with a warrant to get our records on him. We provided them the documents and all the info we had on him"

Seems Bob gets a lot of "interest" from the FBI  :P

Do we not remember THIS story?

PEDDLING POISON
BY JESSICA BENNETT ON 11/29/06 AT 7:00 PM

QuoteThe radioactive poison that was used to kill former Russian KGB spy Alexander Litvinenko is apparently available online—and on the cheap. United Nuclear Scientific Supplies, which aims to "put the 'fun' back into science," according to its Web site, sells 0.1 microcurie of the substance for just $69, plus shipping and handling (a microcurie is a measurement of radiation). The Albuquerque, N.M.-based company says it has supplied radioactive materials to businesses, government agencies, school teachers and "the science hobbyist" since 1998—and assures customers that they run no risk of being tipped off to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security.

Is it time to panic? Now that traces of radiation were found on two British Airways jets Wednesday, has polonium 210 become the new anthrax? The radioactive element turns out to be a fairly common substance that is used, in minute quantities, in fire detectors, spark plugs, antistatic devices, photo-developing equipment and many industrial processes. It's released in cigarette smoke and produced by natural uranium decay in soil. Our own bodies even produce tiny amounts in tissue. And now polonium is readily available to anybody with a Web browser and a little ready cash.

The polonium Web site is the work of Bob Lazar, the head and owner of United Nuclear Scientific Supplies. He is no stranger to oddball publicity. He attracted national attention in the late 1980s when he claimed to have worked on crashed alien spaceships at a U.S. military base in Nevada. In 2003, federal agents raided his firm because they believed its chemicals could be used to make explosives; Lazar and the firm have been involved in two federal lawsuits over those claims. In October, Lazar settled a civil case by agreeing to halt the sale of chemical components the Feds said could be used to manufacture "illegal and potentially deadly explosives." Lazar didn't return messages left at United Nuclear's office in Albuquerque. (The answering machine said that the offices were closed due to "unexpected weather.") Scott Wolfson, a spokesman for the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission, says the firm's previous troubles don't have anything to do with the current polonium issue.

https://www.newsweek.com/peddling-poison-107327

I heard Jeremy Corbell on CSCam with Knapp and Bob Lazar say that one of his buddies in Homeland Security said that Bob company is on the Terror watch list. Now with that said this whole plot of the movie being that Bob was searched for Element 115 30 years later was debunked by Bobs pwn comments on Reddit.

Also John Lear on Kerry Cassidy on Dec4th his birthday said it was over a drug case and the FBI was looking for something drug related and Bob said. "Well the DEA left it here right here it is."

I will post the link to what John Said below and the time stamp.

At about 51 minutes on the following video filmed on John Lears birthday he as live with Kerry Cassidy Project Camelot I listened to it live. Corbells plot is that the hidden E115 was why they raided Bobs home and like I sted we have 3 different versions now of hy the raid takes place.

John lear says that The film maker... story is Bull$h6T Listnes for yourselves from 51 minutes on that number 51.....

Enjoy folks
https://youtu.be/WycoYIXRJrM (https://youtu.be/WycoYIXRJrM)

Bob Lazar himself admitted years ago on The Billy Goodman show called "The Happening" he was a technician who turned into a physicist and I am not quite sure how thats even possible I have the transcripts this is a number of videos and information compiled on Bob Lazar Here is the link http://paul.rutgers.edu/~mcgrew/ufo/bob.lazar

Bob responding a to "Caller to the show"

Caller:
Can you list your credentials?

Lazar:
As far as what?

Caller:
Schooling, degrees.

Lazar:
I have two masters degrees; one's in physics; one's in
electronics.  I wrote my thesis on MHD, which is
magnetohydrodynamics.

I worked at Los Alamos for a few years as a technician
and then as a physicist in the Polarized Proton Section,
dealing with the accelerator there.

I was hired at S-4 as a senior staff physicist to work on
gravitational propulsion systems and whatnot associated with
those crafts.

Caller:
What school did you go to?

Lazar:
I'd rather not say, the reason being I am currently
working with them under contract, and I'm having enough trouble
with this as it is.

I have studied Lazar for many years and I am going to prove he copied Billy Meiers down to the antimatter reactor new thread coming !!!

Bob Lazar was hired through Kirk Mayer which as admitted at the Copenhagen video by George Knapp that Bob worked thru Kirk Mayer not Los Alamos.  Bobs name always had a K/M behind it in the directory typically Govt contracts are year to year does anyone have the dates of when Bob started and Stopped at Los Alamos ?

Below is one of the actual ads that Kirk Mayer would put in The Los Alamos Monitor for jobs at Los Alamos this is very interesting please read
(https://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x471/bigpappy51/KMLAZAR_zpsmikbta3l.jpg)

Quote from: bigpappy51 on December 19, 2018, 09:53:40 PM
At about 51 minutes on the following video filmed on John Lears birthday he as live with Kerry Cassidy Project Camelot I listened to it live. Corbells plot is that the hidden E115 was why they raided Bobs home and like I sted we have 3 different versions now of hy the raid takes place.

Well at least he did the interview BEFORE the party  LOL  Last year Kerry was there interviewing everyone. It made everyone uncomfortable as there was no warning

People forget that the CIA deals with foreign stuff, not internal stuff :P

Quote from: zorgon on December 17, 2018, 07:15:28 AM

He said when 4 Names was over at Bob's house he had the camera on when Bob came out for breakfast and asked him on camera... "So did you steal that 115 sample? and where is it?"  Apparently that caught Bob off guard and he was pissed about that.  no way he is going to admit to that on camera.  It was really an unfair attack...

So at this point it seems that the 4 Names caper has put a strain on Gene and bob's relation... we shall see how that works out...

In the video I posted above we see Bob attending the premiere along with his wife and afterward appearing onstage with George and 4 names. He pleasantly answered questions and not appear "pissed".

As far as Gene's remarks, what kind of refreshments were available at John's party? Was Gene lit? Sounds like he might have pulled an Ed Fouche and got hammered before he went in public and started running off at the mouth. You remember the video where Ed was lit and slurring his words then passed out with his face hitting the desk in front of him. Too bad there wasn't a cream pie there! 

Quote from: bigpappy51 on December 19, 2018, 01:48:32 PM
You know its amazing what an 80s camcorder can do to a bright light. I seen the digital manipulation done to Lazars analog 1989 video I have dvd copies of it in my drawer from John Lear. I could turn the craft into a triangle if I anted as well with modern software. When viewing a light source from 26 miles away against a bright sky you may get the same effect as below must watch till the end.

That is fantastic news!

Please post your copy of it as well as the modified version you have turned into a triangle with modern software ASAP! 

We would all love to see it! 8)

Quote from: zorgon on December 17, 2018, 07:15:28 AM
He said when 4 Names was over at Bob's house he had the camera on when Bob came out for breakfast and asked him on camera... "So did you steal that 115 sample? and where is it?"  Apparently that caught Bob off guard and he was pissed about that.  no way he is going to admit to that on camera.  It was really an unfair attack...

Lot of rumors going around about the questioning about 115.

It was recorded. Here's how it actually went -


http://www.openminds.tv/exclusive-clip-bob-lazar-discusses-element-115/42121

Quote from: A51Watcher on December 21, 2018, 11:11:49 AM
It was recorded. Here's how it actually went -

So I was right... its all just one big circus side show.

My version came from Gene... but judging from John's reaction,  it was probably a bullshit story version to see who would bite... or I am just an old fool that can't hear right  :P

Ah well...   Never A Straight Answer seems to apply to more than just NASA  :P

There is a 2nd discussion about 115 in the kitchen(?)  maybe that's the one he was talking about but he never asks Bob if he stole it.

Bobs office guard kitty makes an appearance also.  8)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSynXIxPYjA

 A review of the movie.

8)

https://youtu.be/Fkuo-y38PwU

i don't know how many of you guys have actually met Bob Lazar or what you think about his revelations
but i have always thought he was a really good showman and a government plant and that he has been able to carry out the story since it's inception.

he was there for such a short time and his story hasn't changed and the gov has never really dissappeared him or spoken on his story ..makes me ponder the unthinkable.. gov plant and one of the really good ones.

you do understand i am not questioning his story...just how it came about and has lasted

ok throw your stones now....bwhahahahahah

Quote from: space otter on December 22, 2018, 06:07:10 PM
i don't know how many of you guys have actually met Bob Lazar or what you think about his revelations
but i have always thought he was a really good showman and a government plant and that he has been able to carry out the story since it's inception.

he was there for such a short time and his story hasn't changed and the gov has never really dissappeared him or spoken on his story ..makes me ponder the unthinkable.. gov plant and one of the really good ones.

you do understand i am not questioning his story...just how it came about and has lasted

ok throw your stones now....bwhahahahahah

No you are entitled to your opinion, just like everyone else. Someone doesn't like it, Tough  8)

Quote from: bigpappy51 on December 19, 2018, 01:48:32 PM
...When viewing a light source from 26 miles away against a bright sky you may get the same effect as below must watch till the end.

https://youtu.be/ZOEpQLdLnsA (https://youtu.be/ZOEpQLdLnsA)

Somewhat misleading video and introduction.

The beginning of the video is missing. At the point the video starts the camera is already at full zoom.

So..."When viewing a light source from 26 miles away against a bright sky you may get the same effect" IF you turn the zoom function to full.

Example -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKJ3XjeLj4U


Also, Lazar did not film from 26 miles away. He was a few miles away at most.

Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on December 22, 2018, 06:22:55 PM
No you are entitled to your opinion, just like everyone else. Someone doesn't like it, Tough  8)

i like his business united nuclear,i can validate the sport model as generally accurate.so two plus's.
he doesnt return emails from nobodies even though my question was legit and respectful,months way back before the movie was announced.so one minus.
ive even notified him of times we were discussing him and asked him to join in.gave him link.many years back when he was out of the spotlight.

he takes high voltage machines seriously and has great products at his business.the only supplier i can find of quality metal spheres.his business itself  is my favorite reason for liking him.the ufo stuff is actually secondary.

thats all i know,so thats how i judge him.

Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on December 22, 2018, 12:40:26 PM
A review of the movie.

That guy is awesome  LOL  Seems he doesn't think much of 4 names either  :P

Some comments on that channel


Norio Hayakawa
4 days ago
Excellent review of this meaningless movie, based on Bob Lazar's dubious and largely unsubstantiated claims (the "same old, same old" story with nothing new to confirm his baseless claims) and peddled by debonair raconteur George Knapp.


Gene Starwind
6 days ago (edited)
Corbell is such a narcissistic, subjective excuse of a hype man with more money from his martial arts career than sense.  He claims to be objective, but his "films" and the way he carries himself in interviews prove otherwise.  Lots of promises, and no substance.  I wonder what Lazar thinks about the final product considering he claims to have only agreed to it to get his story that's been skewed straight (whatever that's worth.)


AlienMyth64
4 days ago
Thanks for the review. Sucks that corbel squandered such an oppertunity to make a good documentary with Bob...


Norio Hayakawa
4 days ago
Debonair raconteur George Knapp practically made a secondary career promoting Bob Lazar, and now he is peddling this meaningless movie based on his same old dubious, unsubstantiated claims.



Seems like 4 Names is going to make things a lot worse, rather than give us anything usefull

Aw well... back to my rocks... before the New Agers completely destroy THAT too

Quote from: space otter on December 22, 2018, 06:07:10 PM
i don't know how many of you guys have actually met Bob Lazar or what you think about his revelations

I have met him a couple times... at John's house... and it seems my name came up recently in another issue  :P

To me his story seemed sound, but there were serious holes in it that could easily have been filled...  Yes I too am (especially now) of the opinion that the story was a 'controlled release' of information.. I know some here will argue that :P

But with this current bull poop surrounding the whole Skinwalker Ranch story... I think we are all being taken for a ride...

Seems I ruffled some feathers with my Mercury Forbidden City story.... Hmmm  I will have to look at that closely after the holidays...

One thing that has come out is that Bob did indeed OWN the whore house...   There is another fact too, but I need to hold on to that for now until I sort out the mess...

Quoteyou do understand i am not questioning his story

Questioning is allowed :P It's why we created Pegasus. Problem is some people get their knickers in a knot when you ask the wrong questions...

::)

Quoteok throw your stones now....bwhahahahahah

They are no longer called stones... they are now Reiki healing chakra devices   :P Every stone you google these days the Healing Crystal stuff is at the top of the page  and you have to really search hard for the actual mineral data or locations

This Timeline is so messed up... I need to find the portal fast   :P

LOL @ Z comments -  :)

So I asked 4 Names on FB last week if it was true that BL was not getting paid - still waiting for an answer  ;D

When I watched the GK & BL special program about S4 although BL is "blacked out" his voice is a dead give-away.. anyone who worked with him would have known it was him.. 

I don't know what to say really about BL? but if I had a chance I would ask him to recall what he saw of the "Aurora" AC that John L described in one of his interviews, If I recall correctly didn't BL say that a man could stand upright in the exhaust jets of the aircraft ?? that is a question I would like to ask him.

Cheers!
:) :D
Fans'

Quote from: zorgon on December 23, 2018, 12:29:52 PM
This Timeline is so messed up... I need to find the portal fast   :P

I suppose you need to find the right crystal first.  :P

QuoteThey are no longer called stones... they are now Reiki healing chakra devices   :P Every stone you google these days the Healing Crystal stuff is at the top of the page  and you have to really search hard for the actual mineral data or locations

This Timeline is so messed up... I need to find the portal fast   

ok way off topic here and i have a whole bunch of stuff i want to say about this (being third degree reiki and stone crazy) but as the christmas cook i'm a bit rushed so i will be back and start a new thread or go post in the one  Z started last

meanwhile blessings of the season to all and big joyous hugs for knowing all of you...thanks ;D  :-*

Quote from: zorgon on December 23, 2018, 12:29:52 PM

One thing that has come out is that Bob did indeed OWN the whore house...   There is another fact too, but I need to hold on to that for now until I sort out the mess...

Maybe they were running their own honeypot operation.  Or doing it for uncle sam. I'm getting the honeypot whorehouse vibe.

Bob was setting up a computerized, camera surveillance system. Can't have a decent modern honeypot without that so there is that.

Quote from: ArMaP on December 23, 2018, 01:17:31 PM
I suppose you need to find the right crystal first.  :P

Agreed and trust me I AM seeking them... but the New Agers have blocked the search with Mumbo Jumbo so deep its 10 feet about my head :P

I will be doing a thread on it soon though  I have some interesting concepts to discuss

Quote from: Canine on December 23, 2018, 06:10:05 PM
Maybe they were running their own honeypot operation.  Or doing it for uncle sam. I'm getting the honeypot whorehouse vibe.

Bob was setting up a computerized, camera surveillance system. Can't have a decent modern honeypot without that so there is that.

Funny you should say that  The name of the Brothel was Honeysuckle Ranch

Now most people don't know, but outside of Clark County Nevada (Nye County, Pahrump for example 30 minutes over the 'hump' brothels are LEGAL)

I am going to share an email exchange  well part of one because the rest is not relevant at this time 

From: johnlear@xxxxxxxxx.net
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 2:40 PM
To: Gene Huff
Subject: mispoken

What I wrote to Ron:

    I am really really tired and getting weaker every day. Bob owned the Honeysuckle Ranch and Gufon never said bob didn't work at LANL/ Either you didn't hear or Gene mispoke/ Gene would never consciously say that.

What Ron wrote to me:

Well I must be getting old and stupid then  because I distinctly heard it and was shocked. Raquel heard it too. Perhaps he mispoke or I heard it out of context.  This is one time I wish there was a recording present  :P

What is the truth? Condor

Reply:

From: johnlear@xxxxxxx.net
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 6:08 PM
To: Gene Huff
Subject: Re: mispoken

They were at my birthday party.

> On December 19, 2018 at 8:48 PM Gene Huff <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.net> wrote:
>
> Condor,
> 
> First, who's Ron and Raquel and where in the world would they ever have heard me speak? I'm not exactly on the lecture circuit. I talked more at your birthday party than I have elsewhere in the past 20 years! Smile And of course you're right. Why in the frig would I ever say Bob didn't work at LANL? I have told the story about Stan Friedman being told that Bob worked AT LANL but Stan instead heard that Bob worked FOR LANL, but I'm not the one who misspoke or misunderstood, that was Stanton. But I can't imagine what else would have been confused with me saying something like that.
> 
> Also, the Honeysuckle Ranch was the name after Bob re-named it. Prior to that, when he first got it, the brothel and it's license were under another name which I can't think of right this moment. I know others have tried to track down the Honeysuckle Ranch before with the State of Nevada and couldn't find it. That's because the State still had it under the other name. Not that it's any of the general public's friging business. What possible difference could it make to them and the story itself?
> 
> Now, on to fun stuff. From some old texts that Jeremy sent to me and Bob and George, I've got a picture or two of Jeremy without his beard and boy does he look like a little rat instead of the Duck Dynasty look he sports now! Then I've got another one which was a halloween picture, but out of context it's just a picture of Jeremy's head with a crazy Charles Manson type look on his face, which might be who he was trying to emulate for Halloween, with a friging SWASTIKA on his forehead! Smile If you can't have fun with that, no one can! Smile
> 
> Gufon

So there you have it...  There is more but I will wait till after New Year when I sort out the Mercury story mess that led to this mess

Seems the only reason the brothel was an issue is because it was in the wrong location but your right  "Honeypot" may indeed be what we are looking at...

::)

'First, who's Ron and Raquel and where in the world would they ever have heard me speak?"

LOL I had introduced my self at the beginning (John had never introduced me to Gene Huff in all these years) and told him I was the one that ran Thelivingmoon.com  When he was speaking, I was standing right in front of him against John's desk .  I guess being a Minion is an invisible despite the fact that I pointed out to him how 4 Names had commandeered Johns Facebook page, email account and was the owner of TheRealJohnLear.com... He acknowledged me even with a reply.

But I guess I am invisible  :P  either that or he was so wrapped up in his story telling he didn't want interruptions :P

Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on December 22, 2018, 12:40:26 PM
A review of the movie.

On December 23, 2018 at 7:05 AM Ron Schmidt <standauffish@earthlink.net> wrote:

Review of the new 4 Names Bob Lazar film

https://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=Fkuo-y38PwU

Merry Christmas

Ron


On 12/23/2018 1:09 PM, johnlear@xxxx.net wrote:

Absolutely fantastic Dead on!!!! Who was that guy? Thank you for sending it to me.

Considering how the owner of Dreamland Resort website feels about Bob lazar and Aliens at Area 51... I am surprized they have a Bob lazar section  (I never really looked on their site before)


Here is a snippet:

QuoteFrom netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!netnews Mon May 15 19:32:39 1995

Xref: netcom.com alt.conspiracy.area51:1296 alt.paranet.ufo:25878

From: Gufon@ix.netcom.com (Gene Huff)

Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.area51,alt.paranet.ufo

Subject: Re: THE LAZAR FLAWS - Odds and Ends

Date: 14 May 1995 18:08:14 GMT

In <tmahoodD88M7w.1L8@netcom.com> tmahood@netcom.com (Tom Mahood) writes:

THE LAZAR FLAWS - Odds and Ends

1. Good said it was called "The Honeysuckle Ranch". "Omni" reported the investment was so profitable Lazar didn't have to return to full-time employment for several years. However such an ownership was not mentioned in Lazar's bankruptcy papers in 1986.

-Tom,

It was in the process of being changed to the Honeysuckle Ranch when the license was put on ice. I have business cards and even brochures fromt the Honeysuckle Ranch in my office. However, this was not the actual name it was licensed under and the license was in Bob's first wife's name (Carol). The license was put on ice due to an AIDS scare. The claim ended up being unfounded, but by then Nevada had put a moratorium on opening or reopening brothels. For whatever reason, back then, the license also had to be in a woman's name. Anyway, Carol died and the brothel was never reopened, or pursued at all. This could have been worth a lot of money to Bob, yet he simply relinquished it. Where did he get the money to invest in a legal brothel? Why, dad, of course. George Knapp had the same trouble tracking down this brothel. I gave him the actual name of it and everything checked out. I could give you that here, but I don't think it's conducive to proving or disproving anything about Bob's story. I think I covered Bob's lack of respect for those bankruptcy papers in my response to your last post, so I'll refrain from restating that here.-

[Update Note: Since this piece was put out, I've come across other information and witness that seem to confirm the existence of a brothel owned by Lazar - Tom]

>2. Lazar has stated he was driven to S-4 from Groom in a bus over dirt roads. The fact that it was in a bus implies that the road would have to be in fairly decent condition, and certainly not a jeep trail. However, a review of the satellite photo of Papoose Lake, on Lazar's very own poster, shows no evidence of such a road.

-Actually, that road wasn't much more than a jeep trail, but it is there. The disc on the poster covers that road and the road isn't evident once your on Papoose dry lake bed. The poster isn't a fair assessment of the existence of that road. I've seen the original satellite positives, one of which was used to make the poster, and the road is clearly there.-

>3. Lazar said at Rachel in 1993, that when he got on the bus at Groom to go to S-4, usually only Dennis Mariani was on the bus with him. Only occasionally was there one other person. Yet there were a number of others at S-4, technicians, scientists and security. How did they come and go? Why was Lazar brought in at such unusual times that everyone else was already at work? Perhaps they used a different method they did not want to reveal to Lazar?

-Man, you find mystery in the strangest places. Maybe I've just known these answers for so long, they're simply not curious to me. Anyway, Mariani was Bob's personal security escort, that's why he was always around. When Bob first started, they told him that he's be working on an "on call" basis for a while. Because of not working full time at first, Bob correctly did not anticipate much income. So Bob told them he'd have to keep his photo business going during the daytime to survive. They agreed, though if he had stayed in the program it was understood that he'd later go full time and have to get someone else to handle the photo lab. They had planes going back and forth from EG&G to Groom all the time, either carrying workers or ferrying the plane back to get more workers, so this was of no consequence to them. It was the same with the bus. Anyway they let Bob come out then so he could keep his daytime income until such time as he went full time. I'd like to point out that we really have no idea when and how the others at S4 went to work.

Nothing indicates that they even had to live in Nevada. They may have been flown in from California or New Mexico, or even stayed at the Test Site and only went to their respective homes in their respective states on weekends. Who knows? Anyway, this is the reason for the unusually small numbers of people on the bus with Bob and Mariani.

>4. Lazar has said on several occasions that, aside from the security, working at S-4 was a "dream job". He also claims to have had a Q clearance so should be quite familiar with the requirements of working in a highly secret compartmentalized environment. Yet he easily violated all his signed agreements and oaths by freely disclosing information to his friends. He even set up three "group outings" for he and his friends to witness flight operations of what I'm sure Lazar would agree is the most secret program the US has. Why would someone familar with government security requirements not only jeopardize his job, but also his very freedom, to do such a thing?

-I think I pretty much answered all of this in that synopsis I posted a few months back. I can post it again if you'd like. What his decisions required were intelligence and courage, things that elude many people.-

>5. Another part of the tail Lazar relates is that he had in his possession, apparently after he had been dropped from the program, a small quantity of element 115. He says he accquired this from contacts at Los Alamos, where Lazar says the material was machined. Lazar said his house was broken into and the 115 taken. At Rachel in 1993, Lazar added that the 115 was in PRIVATE hands. What is meant by "private hands", and why would the government allow a material capable of a devastating antimatter reaction rest in private hands?

-The government wouldn't allow that if they had a choice or if they knew where it was at. Since it's not radioactive, it's much more difficult to find. I'd personally say it was in "Private Concrete" moreso than in "Private Hands". And that's all I would say. The government would have a difficult time searching for it overtly. What would they say? "We're searching for a heavy element that we haven't shared with the rest of the earth's scientists"? I don't think so. When asked why it was important, would they say "Because we use it as fuel in our extraterrestrial discs"? Again, I don't think so. They're truly between a rock and a hard place and I'm sure some government people somewhere would like to choke the you know what out of Bob Lazar. I'm not confident they won't do that somewhere down the line when he fades into the background and isn't so high profile.-

Gene Huff

[/b]

http://www.dreamlandresort.com/area51/lazar/hf-odds.htm

There is also this  by Tom Mahood

This will likely ruffle some feathers :P but we are seeking TRUTH, right?

::)

It's a VERY LONG and detailed list....

The Robert Lazar Timeline
As Assembled from Public Records and Statements

QuoteVersion 1.30, January, 1997

Originally released July, 1994

by Tom Mahood

(Note from 2018: There is a lot of traffic direct to this page via hotlinking or search engines. Be aware this is pretty old stuff. If you have an interest in this topic, I'd suggest you also have a look at my perspective on Lazar's story from the viewpoint of 2018. TL;DR: It's mostly bullshit, the important parts, anyway)

This project began as an attempt to verify Robert Lazar's story of "vanishing records". What was uncovered was not only a multitude of records, but records that portray an individual and story very much at odds with that generally accepted. Some of these records appear to contradict statements made by Lazar.

Every attempt has been made to make this document as accurate as possible. If any discrepancies are found, please direct them to the author for correction in any future versions. Likewise, if there are any readers with additional verifiable, public information, please pass it on for inclusion.

What follows is a summation of statements, interviews and records, arranged in chronological order, providing the framework of what is, by anyone's definition, a most interesting life. Please note the information presented here consists ONLY of public records. While it's highly likely detailed school transcripts (for example) exist, they are considered confidential and may not be released to the general public.

The implications of Lazar's story are tremendous, and if there is even the slightest possibility it might be true, it is worthy of detailed investigation. This information is being put forth as part of that effort, in the hopes it will provide researchers and other interested parties with areas for further study.

A question may come to mind: Could some or all of these documents have been "planted" to discredit Lazar? It is certainly possible, as most things are. However, this would have entailed tampering with many reels of microfilm. Since none of the reels exhibited any splicing in the area of Lazar's records, the only way these records could have been planted would be to replace the entire reel. Also, the master reels from which the microfilms the public uses are made, would have to also be tampered with, even though they are stored in vaults. Furthermore, some of the documents available, such as divorce proceedings, are the actual documents complete with signatures. And throughout the files, the information appears to cross-correlate completely.

http://www.otherhand.org/home-page/area-51-and-other-strange-places/bluefire-main/bluefire/the-bob-lazar-corner/the-lazar-timeline/

And there is THIS from 2018...


Looking at the Bob Lazar story from the perspective of 2018
(Why, oh why, is this still a thing?)

QuoteDamn.

Damn, damn, damn!

I really don't want to be writing this as I have way better things to do. I thought I happily left all this crap in my rear view mirror 20 years ago, but apparently not. Recently, I've noted an increasing number of visitors to the ancient Bluefire part of my website , coming from the /UFOs section of Reddit . Seems like they were looking for information on Bob Lazar.

Tracking the links back to Reddit, I was surprised to find a number of current discussions on Lazar and his veracity. Sadly, there were quite a few posts saying how they believed Lazar's story and he was the "real deal". And I'm pretty sure many of those posters were small kids or not even born when all this Lazar stuff first went down years ago (Ummmm....What's a "newsgroup"??). This was all news to me, as I quit following the subject 20 or so years ago when I started my graduate work in Physics and realized the basic science elements of Lazar's tale were something well beyond wrong, and moved in other directions.

I have a great love of subtlety and in hindsight I'm afraid my final Lazar postings were lost on some. I pretty much laid the real story all out in pieces, and sort of assumed people would connect it. I apparently was wrong, and a hammer was required. What follows is the hammer, probably what I should have written 20 years ago, and then I'm done with this damn subject....forever (I can dream, can't I?).

http://www.otherhand.org/home-page/area-51-and-other-strange-places/looking-at-the-bob-lazar-story-from-the-perspective-of-2018/

THIS part is interesting... considering what Tom bedlam told me about the particle beam tests at Dugway proving ground...

yeah yeah  I know  :P but I just reporting the material :P not writing it

::)

QuoteSo let me be completely clear: The Wednesday night glowing orbs seen in the skies over Groom Lake by Lazar et al were NOT "craft", they were plasmas generated by operation of a high powered proton accelerator dumping its beam into the atmosphere. And.....Lazar knew this.

Plasma Balls?  Hmmm where have I heard THAT before?

:o

Here it is  we covered this before

Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
« Reply #131 on: December 20, 2015, 02:14:08 AM »

Quote from: A51Watcher on December 20, 2015, 01:58:56 AM
You must have missed my reply in another thread stating we now have proof that Dugway is the new home of S4.

Tom Bedlam over at ATS methioned Dugway when he told me about a beam weapon test there.  He pointed me to some images of that test caught by the local UFO watchers

I posted it somewhere on here   WIll see if I can find them

....

....

Here it is...

(http://tooeleonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/UFO-B-630x418.jpg)
This photograph was taken by members of the Utah UFO Hunters team last June near Wendover and I-80 looking south toward the Utah Test and Training Range.

(http://www.aliendave.com/files/Photos/Dugway/SkyWatch_UTTR_6-11-04_D_lightszoom_600x377.jpg)

(http://www.aliendave.com/files/Photos/Dugway/UTTR_2004Skywatch-UUFOH_comparision_szd.jpg)

Here is the article

http://www.aliendave.com/Photos_Skywatch_UTTR_72204.html

lol,the mercury issue was awesome z.thing is it was obvious what they are doing after i goo the names.i know what the names specialize in and the divisions they swap around like star wars trading cards.
thing is if i can find it,then why cant our non allies?
so it may be secret to some,its not secret from me.
goo gives them up.kinda creepy how quickly goos search engine handed up the goods.

Quote from: robomont on December 24, 2018, 04:49:59 AM
lol,the mercury issue was awesome z.

No worries I will get back to it after the holidays  :D

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ufPIHJ7To9g/maxresdefault.jpg)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufPIHJ7To9g

Ka-Booom!!

The only thing that separates the men from the boys is the amount of dynamite in their toys.
Wired Magazine, Dec. 1994
By A.J.S. Rayl

(http://www.ufomind.com/area51/desertrat/1995/dr27/rat_27_s5a.gif)

"All clear and ready." Bob Lazar's voice echoes through several hand-held radios.

A hush falls on the crowd of people gathered on one side of this barren, dry lake bed in the middle of Absolutely Nowhere, Nevada. The sun slides behind the mountains and all eyes train on a smoldering pile way out in the distance. Feathers of gray smoke silently snake their way up into the sky.

"She's goin'!" Jim Tagliani bellows.

"Awe-some!"

"Holy shit!"

Seconds later, a deafening explosion cracks the silence of the desert at dusk. Tiny plumes mushroom into a massive furling cloud of black smoke. Red hot flames seethe at the cloud's core. From the outer edges, minute, strobe-like particles fly out and die down on the parched mud floor.

Thummmmbpff! From a launching tube on another part of the lake crater, a shell soars high up into the air and bursts into an array of magenta and glitter that sparkles up the sky. "Whoooo-hoooo!" Laura Godel is exuberant. "That's beautiful," chimes in Linda Wilson.

Meanwhile, Jim Tagliani has strapped a moaning, flame-throwing static Ramjet to his back and is zipping by the crowd on roller skates. In another part of this parched mud arena, Lew Godel takes his position, belly down, face to the dirt, and hits a launch button. A stealth black rocket emblazoned with the letters D-E-S-E-R-T B-L-A-S-T lifts off and soars up to Mach 1. It may be soaring still.

There's a time and place for everything in this petrochemical world in which we live. There's a time to reap and a time to sow. A time to take massive amounts of bullshit, and a time to vent it all and party down in a gaseous, dynamite celebration of independence. On this particular evening in May, it's time to vent.

Every year since 1987, on a secret date and at a secret location, a group of pyrotechnics wizards stage an annual outlaw gathering out in the desert outback of Nevada. In 1991, patriotically inspired by Desert Storm, the organizers dubbed the event Desert Blast. The group's unwritten code: Bigger and Better Fun through Chemistry and Physics.

(http://www.ufomind.com/area51/desertrat/1995/dr27/rat_27_s5b.gif)

"Desert Blast is a celebration of the things an American should be able to do," explains one veteran, who requested anonymity. "And it's about forgetting and having fun, kind of like, Let's be a kid again."

"Yeah," echoes another attendee, "and not have anyone tell you to shut up!"

Humbly billed as "the largest outlaw fireworks show in the West," Desert Blast is probably the largest outlaw fireworks show in the world. The actual detonation date changes from year to year, as does the location. It's an exclusive affair. As the video invites proclaim: "If you don't know where it is, you're not invited." But for those who are honored with an invitation or those who know somebody who knows somebody who has directions, Desert Blast - or DB, as regulars call it - is the party to end all parties, a party that gives you a place to rant and something to really rave about. In essence it's a night of contained anarchy. The Woodstock of Pyrotechnics.

Desert Blast is the brainchild of Bob Lazar - by day a freelance scientist and businessman - and Jim Tagliani, who pays the bills by installing and programming computers for Indian bingo parlors. As one DB adage goes: Bob builds it; Jim tries it out.

For Lazar, the flame for fireworks was kindled during his youth on Long Island, New York. He spent his summers hanging around several local families who made professional fireworks. "Because I was young, they wouldn't let me touch anything flammable," he remembers. "But I would help tie strings and stuff." Years later, Lazar decided to figure it out for himself.

Lazar's affinity for things pyro slept, latent for nearly two decades of school and work, but in the early '80s, he hooked up with Tagliani, a natural-horn daredevil and neighbor in Woodland Hills, California. It was an instant affinity: both were blinded by science. Lazar was working at Fairchild Xincom, he says, a now-defunct electronics firm, where he recommended Tagliani for a technician position there, and the friendship grew. Later, driving through LA one day, the two passed an acquaintance waving a pyrotechnics device. The guy invited them to a gathering of motorcycle freaks being held in a dry lake bed out near El Mirage, California. There, says Lazar, biker pyrotechnicians hosted an explosive fire fest, until their fun was eventually quashed by Bureau of Land Management officers.

According to Lazar's account, he later moved on to Los Alamos National Laboratories in New Mexico, but like many a bomb crazed scientist, he felt stifled there. So in 1985, he headed for Las Vegas, Nevada. Not long after, Tagliani joined him in the City of Sin. The fireworks flame re-ignited in Lazar and Tagliani, and so they decided to uncover the secrets of pyrotechnics, and put one of Nevada's numerous dry lake beds to use. Their first two desert shows were small, drawing 50 to 75 friends. Lazar personally manufactured all of the fireworks.

But as the two attempted to outdo their work each successive year, planning and executing their private parties became a time-consuming task. ln 1988, Lazar enlisted a troop of capable friends. United by chemistry, physics, and electronics, they came from all walks of life and all kinds of day jobs. NASA controllers and electronics specialists. Computer programmers and technicians. Propulsion systems experts and car mechanics. Even real estate appraisers and contractors. Together, they formed the core creation team of Desert Blast.

It takes at least three months and close to US$6,000 to manufacture all of the festive accouterments for the one-night show. "It really is a team effort," says Lazar. "And now there are pyrotechnics conventions that we attend." During the year, the pyro-cohorts meet in their off-hours in a nondescript, concrete reinforced building on private land well outside the city limits of Las Vegas. There, they mix chemicals, roll stars, build rockets, design Sky Cams, and do whatever else seems appropriate and necessary.

As the time nears each year, Linda (aka Crouton) Wilson, Lazar's girlfriend of four years, serves as Desert Blast's assistant coordinator. Laura Godel helps Lazar finesse the electronic devices, while her husband, Lew Godel joins Lazar in the creation and supervision of all rocketry. Dan Stegemann serves as general device assembler, while Shelly Ball, Tagliani's girlfriend, manufactures Teddy, the sacrificial bear whose destruction marks the event's climax.

Word about Desert Blast spread quickly. By 1990, Lazar and Tagliani had learned one thing: if you launch it, fire it, or blow it up, they will come. Hundreds of uninvited spectators appeared from far and wide to witness the show. In 1992, the assemblage swelled to more than 450 people. "And sometimes they'd review the show; give us shit if something wasn't exactly perfect," recalls Gene Huff, who appraises real estate when he's not mixing chemicals and rolling stars.

"It was starting to get out of hand," Lazar sighs.

Lazar's notoriety in the UFO underground no doubt had a lot to do with that. In March 1989, Lazar, fearing for his life, publicly claimed, on KLAS-TV, the Las Vegas CBS affiliate, that he had just been released from a top-secret program, Project Galileo, in which he helped back-engineer the propulsion system of one of nine extraterrestrial craft being stored on the Nellis Gunnery and Bombing Range in Nevada. Overwhelmed with requests for interviews, which he "loathes," plagued with "tons of mail," and adamant about not joining the "crazies" on the UFO or talk-show circuit, Lazar quelled the deluge by producing, with Huff, a videotape about his alleged experience, something that has made him a veritable icon in the UFO haunts of cyberspace.

But that is another story. Commandment Number One at Desert Blast: Thou shalt not talk of UFOs. Nevertheless, "Excerpts From The Government Bible" (otherwise known as the Lazar Tape) has made Lazar a popular guy and someone a whole lot of people want to hang with.

For the last two years, Lazar has diligently faxed out wrong directions and dates to lose a few of the uninvited guests and general pains in the ass, not to mention unwanted law-enforcement types. Desert Blast does not exactly conform to federal regulations.

"Actually, while we were out testing some shells one day, a cop did show up," says Lazar. "He saw what we were doing and just said, 'Cool. Mind if I watch?'"

On Saturday, May 21, the Desert Blast countdown digital clock ticks down to 0:00 at the secret rendezvous location, and final loading begins. Everything has already been packed for transport: More than 400 shells; a single display cart of 100 2-1/2-inch star shells and reports; the giant, double-pinwheel display; bunches of small black-powder rockets with titanium and reports; strobe rockets; various sizes of salutes (including several M-800s); six stealth-black rockets, complete with nose cones and tails; four large barrels of magnesium; 20 gallons of fuel for the gas bombs; propane torches; launching tubes; boxes of extra fuse and wiring; five weather balloons; hardware; a viewing tower made from steel scaffolding; a sound system; boxes of Day-Glo Cyalume sticks and rope; coolers packed with food and water; cameras; and various other items. At around 2:30 p.m., a caravan of some 20 cars, trucks, trailers, and recreation al vehicles leaves the highway and begins winding its way through desert terrain down an unmarked dirt road and onto this year's chosen dry lake bed. There, they stagger into a parking line that stretches out along one side, and everyone begins to set up camp.

At center stage, on the lake crater, the first mortar is launched. It soars more than 800 feet into the sky. As it bursts, an American flag on a tiny parachute patriotically unfurls and flaps across the desert on the air cur rents. DB VIII has begun.

At around 4:30 p.m., Lazar fuels up the Jet car, dons his fire-retardant jacket and crash helmet, and climbs in. The Jetcar, like your basic dragsters, is comprised of a chromoly steel frame. It's about 32-feet long and its jet engine - originally designed for the Navy's first supersonic fighter - makes the car look not so much futuristic as absurd. A 30-foot flame shoots out the back and the shrill, decibel-defying noise makes you feel as if you've been stranded out on an Air Force tarmac facing the wrong direction. As he rolls in for a pit stop, the afterburner flame swells and shoots out. "Hey! He's on fire!" shouts an uninitiated spectator.

Not to worry. Onto bigger things. It's Super Bomb time. Materials are placed, and the announcement is made. Within seconds, another deafening explosion shatters the earth, this one erupting into an ominous, deep-black, almost-mushroom cloud, and has the crowd on its feet, cheering maniacally. Over on the highway, several miles away, traffic has stopped, and spectators watch in a state of awe or disbelief. Maybe they think they're watching some sort of weird military experiment. But the Desert Blast participants aren't self-conscious. "There is just nothing more exciting than totally blowing something up - and then feeling the shock wave go through you," says Farhat. "You can just stand and watch... and you feel like you've screamed. It's weird. Really weird. But it feels so good."

Out on the rocket pad, Lazar and Lew (aka The Viking) Godel are preparing the test launch. Godel is the sort who enjoys living wildly. "This is a unique guy," Lazar explains, as Godel hunkers down on the ground near the 5-foot-tall stealth-black rocket that stands majestically against the backdrop of the desert. "He killed a deer once, and then spread the blood all over himself, or whatever it is the Vikings do. Then he took the heart out and ate it."

As night falls, an intermittent stream of cars makes its way down the unmarked road to witness the show, and soon onlookers drape themselves in Day-Glo. It's time for the day's peak, the ultimate fireworks display.

Out at the launching area, youthful newcomer, Jeff Carbary, assumes the task of overseeing the mortars and the main fireworks begin. Before launch, Carbary details the make of each shell for the benefit of the pyro connoisseurs, the gathered crowd of Those Fascinated by Fire. One after another, the fireworks burst in full radiance against the sky, and the audience murmurs its appreciation in hushed and almost reverent uuuhhhs and aaahhhs.

Finally, it's time to blow up Teddy, a tradition at Desert Blast. Teddy originally came from Tagliani's home Halloween yard art. He and Ball initially decided to take Teddy to DB as a sort of mascot. "At first, we used to let him just hang around ' recalls Shelly Ball. "But, we needed a goal - something to destroy, and we realized, 'Hey, we can shoot Teddy."' So, Teddy quickly became a target, replacing the Saddam Hussein paper targets on the shooting range. "We'd put beer bottles or Coke cans in his pockets; then we graduated to M-80s, then M-800s," says Ball. "It was a challenge to see who could shoot his pockets first. Ultimately, we'd blow his arms off, then maybe a leg or two. But Teddy was still left, more or less."

The next year, they decided instead to just put Teddy on a Coors Party Ball gas bomb and blow him to bits. That approach, or a similar concept, has stuck.

As the sun rises over the mountains, it's cleanup time for Lazar and Tagliani and the rest of the core DB team. They rise, scouring the desert for any remaining debris, bagging it for disposal. All the escaped dirt is shoveled back into the holes, and the dry lake bed is restored to its original condition. By 10 a.m., all tents have been dismantled and all waste discreetly stored in the back of trucks or car trunks. There are virtually no signs that any thing unusual took place here - no signs that just hours before, nearly 200 people had gathered for a night of living dangerously. As the sun begins to bake the valley, the DB caravan heads out, back to civilization for another year.

A.J.S. Rayl (ajsrayl@aol.com) is currently finishing work on a CD-ROM about the search for extraterrestrial intelligence for the Voyager Company. She has also written for Omni, People, and Rolling Stone.

http://www.ufomind.com/area51/desertrat/1995/dr27/rat_27_s5.html

Quote from: bigpappy51 on December 20, 2018, 03:25:10 PM
I have studied Lazar for many years and I am going to prove he copied Billy Meiers down to the antimatter reactor new thread coming !!!

Doesn't sound like you have studied Billy Meier for many years though.

Sounds like quite a stretch to prove Bob copied Meier 'down to the antimatter reactor' since Pleadian Beamships were allegedly powered by photons.

Quote from: A51Watcher on December 26, 2018, 11:58:01 PM
Doesn't sound like you have studied Billy Meier for many years though.

Sounds like quite a stretch to prove Bob copied Meier 'down to the antimatter reactor' since Pleiadian Beamships were allegedly powered by photons.

Hey A51 Watcher indeed he copie Meier and John Lear admits to showing Bob The Meier tapes in the summer of 1988. I can show you the Billy meier quote about the antimatter reactor which was told to him by Samjase .. I guess the fact that Bobs craft is identical to Billy meiers craft and the power is the same idea and Antimatter reactor.

Billy Meier Link written long before Lazar came along.
http://www.meiersaken.info/billy_meier.html?fbclid=IwAR2HEJAebX3UYypneRIXL6lEJuCL3-Bn6QmaUB2pqYlUpsThah0VJqPE8NM

We have absolute proof John Lear showed Lazar the Meier tapes along with Gene Huff. Take a look at the new video a critique of lazar video I just posted sorry Bobs science is absurd as Lazar says in the movie "This makes no sense!!" To this day there is not one scientist or physicist ho remotely agrees with the reactor Bob talks about find me one.

Now here is a quote from Billy meier that was given to him by Samjase in the link I provided above talking about the antimatter power source. By the way I do not believe Meier along with 98 percent of people in Ufoology.

Propulsion



Semjase now tells Billy it is time to leave as they are going to visit their mother ship. She puts the ship in motion again and they head for space in great speed. Billy writes it only took a few minutes before Earth had been reduced to a big lightning ball shimmering in space with a blue colour. The beam ship can also travel in hyperspace mode but it appears that is not how they are travelling now  since Billy observes Earth's size being reduced gradually. It is fitted with tachyon propulsion system for use in space. When the ship travelled within Earth's atmosphere an antigravity propulsion system was instead used. The antigravity propulsion system is built on the principle of repelling forces. Their beam ships are also fitted with antimatter propulsion systems. The next type beamship Semjase demonstrated the following year, 1976, was outfitted with an antimatter propulsion system for deep space travel. Not tachyon like this one. The information about the propulsion system is not given in this contact but in contact 55 held on the 14th of June 1976.  In that contact Semjase further states that they developed the anti-matter propulsion system more than 50 000 years ago.

What a coincidence amazing John lear shows Bob the Meier tapes and Bob shows the following craft

(https://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x471/bigpappy51/LazarcopiesMeier_zps8umrmlxg.jpg)

Like I said watch the new critique there's been gold dropped right in our lap with all the new attention. Bob Copied Billy Meier and if you can't see that you may never be willing to accept the truth. All I care about is the truth no matter what.

Quote from: A51Watcher on December 23, 2018, 12:13:30 AM
Somewhat misleading video and introduction.

The beginning of the video is missing. At the point the video starts the camera is already at full zoom.

So..."When viewing a light source from 26 miles away against a bright sky you may get the same effect" IF you turn the zoom function to full.

Example -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKJ3XjeLj4U


Also, Lazar did not film from 26 miles away. He was a few miles away at most.

Ok show me where Lazar and Lear was on Google earth ? They claim the craft was over Papoose Lake I have already mapped out where they were could you show me ho close they were and where they were when they filmed ? That video is not misleading its an older camcorder and it looks exactly like a UFO and turns into an airplane which happened with alot of camera of that era like Lazars camera.

Sean david Morton used to film "Old Faithful" every morning at 4 am and thought it was an alien spaceship until one day it landed and it was a JANET 737 he was very surprised.

Quote from: bigpappy51 on January 01, 2019, 12:09:07 PM
Hey A51 Watcher indeed he copie Meier and John Lear admits to showing Bob The Meier tapes in the summer of 1988. I can show you the Billy meier quote about the antimatter reactor which was told to him by Samjase .. I guess the fact that Bobs craft is identical to Billy meiers craft and the power is the same idea and Antimatter reactor.

Billy Meier Link written long before Lazar came along.
http://www.meiersaken.info/billy_meier.html?fbclid=IwAR2HEJAebX3UYypneRIXL6lEJuCL3-Bn6QmaUB2pqYlUpsThah0VJqPE8NM

We have absolute proof John Lear showed Lazar the Meier tapes along with Gene Huff. Take a look at the new video a critique of lazar video I just posted sorry Bobs science is absurd as Lazar says in the movie "This makes no sense!!" To this day there is not one scientist or physicist ho remotely agrees with the reactor Bob talks about find me one.

Now here is a quote from Billy meier that was given to him by Samjase in the link I provided above talking about the antimatter power source. By the way I do not believe Meier along with 98 percent of people in Ufoology.

Propulsion



Semjase now tells Billy it is time to leave as they are going to visit their mother ship. She puts the ship in motion again and they head for space in great speed. Billy writes it only took a few minutes before Earth had been reduced to a big lightning ball shimmering in space with a blue colour. The beam ship can also travel in hyperspace mode but it appears that is not how they are travelling now  since Billy observes Earth's size being reduced gradually. It is fitted with tachyon propulsion system for use in space. When the ship travelled within Earth's atmosphere an antigravity propulsion system was instead used. The antigravity propulsion system is built on the principle of repelling forces. Their beam ships are also fitted with antimatter propulsion systems. The next type beamship Semjase demonstrated the following year, 1976, was outfitted with an antimatter propulsion system for deep space travel. Not tachyon like this one. The information about the propulsion system is not given in this contact but in contact 55 held on the 14th of June 1976.  In that contact Semjase further states that they developed the anti-matter propulsion system more than 50 000 years ago.

What a coincidence amazing John lear shows Bob the Meier tapes and Bob shows the following craft

(https://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x471/bigpappy51/LazarcopiesMeier_zps8umrmlxg.jpg)

Like I said watch the new critique there's been gold dropped right in our lap with all the new attention. Bob Copied Billy Meier and if you can't see that you may never be willing to accept the truth. All I care about is the truth no matter what.

Well first off bp, both Zorgon and I gave you a rebuttal last time you floated the Meier balloon.

Yet you ignore it and move on to another argument.

If you wish to debate anything here, you MUST respond to rebuttals given to you, before rushing on to your next point. .

IF you read all of Meier's contact notes you will see that the early models were powered by photons. The Pleadians allegedly reappeared through the years in 'new' model Beamships.

Quote
Hyperspace jump


Astronomical distances is still (as of 1997), by the Pleiadians/Plejarans managed through the practised method of combined hyperspace jumps. This combined method starts with a conventional flight run-up in material form in normal space, namely until the so-called transmission point, where the transmission into hyperspace then takes place and <beyond> this ends, resp. the conventional flight again continues. A flying object practising this hyperspace jump method, needs two entirely different drives, a normal drive for normal space and a hyper drive for hyperspace.

The normal drive serves as propulsion during the beginning- and end phase, thus only outside of the hyperspace, while the hyper drive serves for the jump into hyper space and the crossing of it. It should be quite obvious. The acceleration of a space ship is to begin made by the normal drive in normal space, namely until the speed of light, known to be 299 792 458 m/s resp. 299 792,458 kilometre per second. First then, when this speed is almost reached, can the hyper drive be activated.

As for the normal drive, Billy writes, in the beginning and over the first years of his contact with the Pleiadians/Plejarans,


they used the so-called antigravity drive as well as a photon drive for the normal drive,


whereby these in the meantime were developmentally overhauled and he adds that he has got no knowledge of which type and form they are presently based on, as of 1997.

Newer model beamships they arrived in later allegedly contained antimatter reactors. But no mention was made of how these reactors managed to propel the craft. Same goes for the photon drives, no mention made of how photons managed to propel the craft.

Antimatter was theorized long before Meier came along.

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The modern theory of antimatter began in 1928, with a paper[12] by Paul Dirac. Dirac realised that his relativistic version of the Schrödinger wave equation for electrons predicted the possibility of antielectrons. These were discovered by Carl D. Anderson in 1932 and named positrons (a portmanteau of "positive electron"). Although Dirac did not himself use the term antimatter, its use follows on naturally enough from antielectrons, antiprotons, etc.[13] A complete periodic table of antimatter was envisaged by Charles Janet in 1929.[14]

Yes John showed Gene and Bob Meier tapes as well as Linda Howe tapes and a host of other UFO material.

Bob Told John to his face all this UFO stuff was nuts and that he was nuts too if he believed any of it.

Early on, Bob did say the one he named the sports model did look very close to one the one armed Swiss farmer photographed.

QuoteWhat a coincidence amazing John lear shows Bob the Meier tapes and Bob shows the following craft

As Zorgon and I pointed out already, the paintings you continue to show were made AFTER Bob showed the following craft. So actually it was the Meier camp who copied Bob.


Now be a good good boy and go respond to rebuttals presented to your previous arguments.

Then we can move forward (in order) to your later arguments.

I know where Bob got the BS reactor idea its in most physics Books would you like to see and its laughable that John Lear on video says we showed Lazar the Meier tapes and then what a coincidence the craft is identical to The Meier's pics lets have a listen.

Listen to what John Lear has to say ?

https://youtu.be/bpDdOqGQSSg (https://youtu.be/bpDdOqGQSSg)

Now lets take a look at where Bob lazar BS science came from because his science is ridiculous sorry you don't understand science but show me one scientist who agrees with his ridiculous story of basically a particle accelerator on board his Billy Meier style craft . You would think aliens would fly something far more advance then carrying around a non stable element Element 115 which is absurd.

Ever heard of The Demon Core ?? The Slotic accident  Look below looks familiar doesn't it ??

(https://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x471/bigpappy51/ice_screenshot_20190101-202211_zpskfkku6zx.png)

The Slotin accident the idea behind Bobs fake antimatter reactor that makes no scientific sense at all also this is here he got the story about the scientists at S4 dying that he replace with no physics degrees.

https://youtu.be/utZFyzh7Dyk (https://youtu.be/utZFyzh7Dyk)


Area51Watcher kindly show me where you say I ignored you it may had been when I was working 75 hrs a week.. I will argue this story out with you all day but sometime you become overbearing but I don't really care this time his science is Bunk and you are one of his worshippers who cant stand that you reserve doubt in the back of your mind I have dealt with people like you for years.

May The Lazar Games Begin !!

Now more on the The Slotin Accident of The Demon Core which guess what you can read all about at Los Alamos or any library with physics books.

Bob Lazar no doubt got his  reactor from The Demon Core Slotin Accident this happened in 1946 below you can see the picture of the core which can be seen starting around 54 seconds of the video then to the right we see the infamous "Tuned Tube" Lazar talks about imagine I gies the Zeta Reticuli copied human beings....

Screenshot of the half Sphere and the tuned Tube Bob has always maintained can hold the power of a hydrogen bomb yeah ok but he doesnt material is made out of ok.

Half Sphere Lazar copied
(https://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x471/bigpappy51/ice_screenshot_20190101-205905_zpsy5lplqy7.png)

Now Bobs Tuned tube where the E115 triangle slice is out in can be seen just to the lower right of the half sphere of The Demon Core.

(https://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x471/bigpappy51/ice_screenshot_20190101-205107_zpszqsb1rln.png)

This can all be seen in the video I posted above which I will post again below I 100% believe this is where Bob got his idea or did the Zeta Reticuli Aliens The S4 Base that doesn't exit steal this idea from the US in 1947 ?? Look around 54 seconds you will see the images from above.

https://youtu.be/utZFyzh7Dyk (https://youtu.be/utZFyzh7Dyk)


Im sure Los Alamos has information on this its in physics text books below is a picture of Lazar standing in front of"Fat Man"

(https://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x471/bigpappy51/ice_screenshot_20190101-210132_zpssongavth.png)

So Lets do a comparison Bob Lazars reactor "Half Sphere" below.

(https://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x471/bigpappy51/S4_Disc_Reactor_5_zpsmerbrkti.gif)

the demon core on the right from 1947 below.
(https://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x471/bigpappy51/ice_screenshot_20190101-205905_zpsy5lplqy7.png)

Now lets have a look at Lazar tuned tube first the the tube in the Demon Core.

(https://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x471/bigpappy51/S4_Disc_Reactor_1_zpsw8fjb9sv.gif)

Now the Demon Core Tube identical shape from 1946

(https://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x471/bigpappy51/ice_screenshot_20190101-212229_zpsrrldwfkv.png)

I guess this is all just an amazing coincidence that Bobs ship is identical to Billy Meiers and The Demon Core the Slotin accident all just a coincidence ?? I think its pretty obvious that Bob and Gene Huff made this entire story up Huff knows it hes been duped out of probably millions from that joke of a film !!

Quote from: A51Watcher on December 21, 2018, 09:43:03 AM
In the video I posted above we see Bob attending the premiere along with his wife and afterward appearing onstage with George and 4 names. He pleasantly answered questions and not appear "pissed".

As far as Gene's remarks, what kind of refreshments were available at John's party? Was Gene lit? Sounds like he might have pulled an Ed Fouche and got hammered before he went in public and started running off at the mouth. You remember the video where Ed was lit and slurring his words then passed out with his face hitting the desk in front of him. Too bad there wasn't a cream pie there!

Area51Watcher you know that video of Ed allegedly passing out on his computer was all a set up ? I have the original video.. He was also taken out of contexts and supposedly called himself a liar. What was not shown was he and Alienscientist were at war and AS took something Ed had said which was a joke I asked him to say and I have the full video to prove it. that ridiculous video was used that to try to destroy Ed.

I know the truth Ed is passed on and AS is still around he was supposed to straighten that wrong out. he and I are going to have a discussion about Edgar Fouche and it will get ugly.

What many don't know is Ed was dying and was heavily medicated John Lear heavily medicated as well. Thing is Ed would have a few drinks with his meds after all the guy was in Vietnam and had PTSD and he served 20 years and over 10 years as a DOD contractor.

Other info people didn't know about Ed is the people he ran around with SR-71 Pilots one in which I spoke with on several occasions what an honor and this can be verified.

Funny thing is odf all these whistleblowers Ed Fouche is one of the only people that his FOIA proves he was what he claimed . I have plenty of photos I know his daughters very well one is my age and she had told me ho they had moved around spending a great deal of time in Las Vegas while Ed was at Nellis and Edwards AFB.

I think if Ed drank and took pain pills do to a broken back and a fake heart valve that was his personal preference to deal with what all he had been trough just a few points I wanted to make.

As far a Gene Huff I think Gene as saying that Bob didn't work for Los Alamos instead he as a subcontractor repairing 300 alpha probes and John Lear helped him which was done in 6 week cycles something I could do easily I been a degreed Electronics tech my whole life at times I have done engineering as well. Why would a physicist that is so talented be repairing Alpha probes?

And itf what where Lazar worked in Los Alamos was so classified why wa George Knapp and his news crew allowed to walk right in Los Alamos ? That's not how it works you either have a clearance to get in or you don't unless you are working on the alpha probes which I am positive Bob Lazar was.

Gene Huff has made other comments that seem to ring truth with something Bob had stated a couple years ago. Maybe Huff us disgusted because Corbell is making millions from this movie and allegedly Bob isn't getting a dime .. Maybe Bobs so called Wife Joy is strange thing is she uses the last name of White not Lazar are they officially married ??

BigPappy51

Quote from: A51Watcher on December 21, 2018, 09:47:25 AM
That is fantastic news!

Please post your copy of it as well as the modified version you have turned into a triangle with modern software ASAP! 

We would all love to see it! 8)

So yo actually believe that a dot in the sky on a 1980s camcorder ran thru modern digital software cant be morphed into anything ?? It may still be on facebook from years ago Zorgon posted it on my page and I showed him a perfect TR3B from the same video he may remember..

If you use modern software the craft will look exactly the way you want it just like it to look in your mind. Extracting detail from that out of focus light is not evidence its software manipulation. Again where exactly was Bob Huff and Lear parked when they filmed this video ?? If you like I will use your video to make a couple demonstrations to show what is going on .

When the actual scientific analysis from this video is done from an independent lab you will see that so called Flying saucer doesn't dart across the sky at all. I will explain below. The mountains move right along with the craft. That is another persons project I seen screen captures proving what I said years ago when Ler sent me the video personally I was the first to have a DVD copy of the video what an accompanied letter as well.

I thin a few people are concerned that gene huff is going to spill the beans and when that happens it sure will be interesting must suck to watch another person get credit for a story you co wrote with Bob Lazar.


BigPappy51

Quote from: A51Watcher on December 26, 2018, 11:58:01 PM
Doesn't sound like you have studied Billy Meier for many years though.

Sounds like quite a stretch to prove Bob copied Meier 'down to the antimatter reactor' since Pleadian Beamships were allegedly powered by photons.

Hey A51Watcher still waiting for you to show me about Meier and take a look at some of the new posts maybe we should make a new post .. because the evidence Im putting out should not be under Bob Lazar Movie trailer should be something like "The untold truth of bob Lazar something like that.

I recommend we move this all to a new thread with a different title seems Jeremy Corbell and company got upset with Alienscientists new video and sent copyright claims out instantly if we people who don't believe Bob are so wrong why do videos have to be removed as soon as they are brought up ? On Twitter Corbell claimed that A was out to make money well his channel is not even monetized he is a real physicist which Corbell is not hes no trust fund baby either..

BigPappy51

Quote from: bigpappy51 on January 01, 2019, 12:21:02 PM
Ok show me where Lazar and Lear was on Google earth ? They claim the craft was over Papoose Lake I have already mapped out where they were could you show me ho close they were and where they were when they filmed ?

Sure, they were at Campfire Hill just off Groom road as stated by John and Bob. Also the craft was on this side of the Groom mountain range.  So how many miles ya figger from the Groom mountains to campfire hill?


Here is a diagram from John -

Quote

(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/location/march221989view.jpg)

Also, the craft returned to the glow above S4 when they were done testing.

https://youtu.be/_aLCqcfE2yQ

Quote
That video is not misleading its an older camcorder and it looks exactly like a UFO and turns into an airplane which happened with alot of camera of that era like Lazars camera.

Yes it IS  misleading.

Why does it not show the footage before before the camera was zoomed? He certainly did not begin filming with the camera already zoomed.

Let's see the rest of the footage. Then it will perform just like the video I posted in response. All cameras of that vintage could not zoom in on a small ball of light accurately.

There are many videos where the ball of light turned into a diamond during the day and turned into the bat signal at night during zoom..

Point being - zooming in with those cameras did no good and returned a false image when the iris was overloaded.

NOT zooming the image while filming is the only reliable imaging you can get. Zooming the image later on a computer does NOT produce diamonds or bat signals.

Sean david Morton used to film "Old Faithful" every morning at 4 am and thought it was an alien spaceship until one day it landed and it was a JANET 737 he was very surprised.

Having seen actual craft in action out there, it is not surprising that he would mistake Janet's for craft.

After that, anything that moved that was lit up he would likely assume were more craft.

I On the other hand had no problem misidentifying them, since they flew overhead at one point and also landed on the desert floor about a 1/4 mile away from me.

Now I have a question for you bp-

If what Bob and I filmed was a Janet Airline as you suspect, how did it manage to streak sideways with the headlight still pointing forward?

Jets cannot make maneuvers like that. Or like these -

http://www.image-analysis-team.com/video/PR11Tracer.mp4

Quote from: A51Watcher on January 04, 2019, 03:15:17 AM
NowI have a question for you bp-

If what Bob and I filmed was a Janet Airline as you suspect, how did it manage to streak sideways with the headlight still pointing forward?

Jets cannot make maneuvers like that. Or like these -

http://www.image-analysis-team.com/video/PR11Tracer.mp4

Very interesting video is this your video ? And the stationary portion at the bottom are they mountains if so how do we see them did you uses an IR camera ? Where the edited in or part of the original video and could I see the original .. I do enjoy looking at these type of videos from Area51 for sure.

So I guess Im asking for you to explain to me more in detail exactly what we are seeing here would like the actual details and original footage. The light ure is all over the place what could fly or withstand this technology ?

If we were so primitive to the sport model that it had no switches no eiring and as so small inside what would had flown this again i am not ruling out other programs I certainly believe we had anti gravity or gravitational manipulation since the late 50s.

Thanks for your post I sure do appreciate it .

BigPappy51

Re Bob working at Los Alamos..

Gene says: 

QuoteAnd of course you're right. Why in the frig would I ever say Bob didn't work at LANL? I have told the story about Stan Friedman being told that Bob worked AT LANL but Stan instead heard that Bob worked FOR LANL, but I'm not the one who misspoke or misunderstood, that was Stanton.

That is quite a huge difference  Ponder on that

I will be seeing John Lear tomorrow... gonna be an interesting day (I hope)  as soon as I get my car back

@A51, I was wondering if it was possible for you to create the video's with some narration to explain the details of the videos please m8? like topography, estimated distances of terrain and flight times of the images if possible sometime down the road A51 ??

Cheers,

F  :)

Quote from: zorgon on January 04, 2019, 10:23:32 AM
Re Bob working at Los Alamos..

Gene says: 

That is quite a huge difference  Ponder on that

I will be seeing John Lear tomorrow... gonna be an interesting day (I hope)  as soon as I get my car back

Zorgon when I come to Las vegas I will take you to John Lear. I would love to talk to him.

Quote from: bigpappy51 on January 04, 2019, 06:14:11 AM
Very interesting video is this your video ?

Yes

And the stationary portion at the bottom are they mountains if so how do we see them did you uses an IR camera ? Where the edited in or part of the original video and could I see the original ..

Yes they are the groom mountains plus the few small hills in front of them. The daytime photo the video begins with is mailbox road which zooms in to the location the craft were seen. No on the  using IR cam.

Yes the mountains were edited in to the video for background reference. Originally I tried making a white trace of the mountain skyline and placed that in the video which was quite effective at proving perspective. Then one of the team said 'I have a better idea' and placed the mountain range as background.



I do enjoy looking at these type of videos from Area51 for sure.

So I guess Im asking for you to explain to me more in detail exactly what we are seeing here would like the actual details and original footage.

Details provided above. No problem in showing you the original footage.

Now can I see the footage you said you got from John?

The light ure is all over the place what could fly or withstand this technology ?

Quote from: fansongecho on January 04, 2019, 11:56:08 AM
@A51, I was wondering if it was possible for you to create the video's with some narration to explain the details of the videos please m8? like topography, estimated distances of terrain and flight times of the images if possible sometime down the road A51 ??

Cheers,

F  :)

Sure fans. Distance of terrain (from the camera I assume you mean) and flight times will be no problem. Not sure what you mean by providing topography.

In the following video the craft was placed into a CAD rendition of mailbox road, and based on the craft being 50 ft wide it was determined that the craft was 2000 ft away.

Flight time that night was a couple hours. I can look it up on film.


http://www.image-analysis-team.com/video/PR05Deuem01.mp4


eta: Looks like flight time that night was 2hr 45 minutes per the time stamp, actual time was even longer since I crashed the party after it had begun (as planned).

Hey Area51Watcher just the original film I am familiar with your YouTube page. Would love to see the original film were you using a tripod ?  Did you put the mountains in the other video not the last video with the truck in the video ?

You definitely got my curiosity and were you in the desert with Bill Cooper? The first video that light is bouncing all over the place if you have a video proving the camera was stationary that would be something. The video you posted is just a light for a second filmed from the road while moving I hope you are going to post more.

I do recall you having more video years ago on your YT channel but you took them down I thought Phil Schneider had been with you I may be mistaken.



BigPappy51

@A51, great stuff, the list below may help clarify my request m8?

1 - Altitude of your position.

2 - Approximate Northings and Eastings

3 - Approximate Bearing of object from your position

4 - Approximate range of object from your position

5 - Time of year and time of day

I hope these make some sense bud?

Cheers!

Fans'  :)

Quote from: A51Watcher on January 04, 2019, 03:15:17 AM
Now I have a question for you bp-

If what Bob and I filmed was a Janet Airline as you suspect, how did it manage to streak sideways with the headlight still pointing forward?

Jets cannot make maneuvers like that. Or like these -

http://www.image-analysis-team.com/video/PR11Tracer.mp4

Interesting would sure like to see the full original film if possible or the part here we see the craft. I think this is man made technology and my reason is very simple I use Bobs testimony . Bob sates the craft worked like magic there were no wires, no switches nothing at all. He once witnesses a flight where the craft in daylight lifted silently slight corona discharge 30 feet in the air and landed.

Bob claims they were in radio communication with whoever was flying the craft. But if this craft was was alien as an Iphone would be to someone from the lets says 1700s.. How on earth did a human pilot the craft and fit in the craft and do all these incredible maneuvers it doesn't fit what Bob says at all ?

I also don't buy the controlled leak story because Bob claims they tried to kill him on Charleston Blvd in daylight well in Las Vegas there are much more quiet ways to make one disappear if he was shot at it may had to do with some of the people he was involved with in his personal life he did owe a lot of money out to people. A govt killer would not miss and wouldn't do this in daylight sounds more like a mod style threat or hit.. Again these are my opinions using logic.

Did you ever see it close enough to see the details that it was The Sport models that looks like The Meier craft ? I ean we have drones from today that could mimic any of those maneuvers I can show a number of videos of astonishing shows put on by 100 drones at once and If I saw this years ago no doubt it would had been aliens.

Then we also have the Mark McCandlish story which the craft uses millions of volts to create lift the Biefeld Brown effect essentially is what is described. One thing that surprised me a great deal was the Nahsan video and we see John Lears father in that video making breakthroughs in what 1958 and 1959 ?

The Bahnson Lab Video and we see William Lear Sr at 3:17 I found this video to be absolutely mind blowing. Doe John have some of the paperwork stashed away somewhere that his father had on the breakthroughs? You can see the celebration taking place.

https://youtu.be/vWuUJt7iSAo (https://youtu.be/vWuUJt7iSAo)

I am also of the belief that Howard Hughes saw something that completely changed his life as far as his belief. I think the event took place at Groom Lake and he as watched guarded in Las vegas. He was a Govt contractor had a ton of money and was in the know I realize he was in a very bad plane crash that it was a miracle he survived.

What I'm getting at is I think it's very possible that we humans are far more capable technology wise then people give us credit for look at the modern day computer cell phone which is a computer with phone these days smart phone etc.. This is alien to our ancestors.

Bob tells an amazing story which has captivated me since 1989 there's no doubt the insane affect its had on my life I wouldn't be into UFOs the way I am today.

And you were at a Classified base there is no doubt in my mind you seen things that could not be explained we can look at Ben Richs statements if true he claims We had the technology to take ET home.

BigPappy51

Quote from: bigpappy51 on January 06, 2019, 09:56:52 AM
Hey Area51Watcher just the original film I am familiar with your YouTube page. Would love to see the original film were you using a tripod ?  Did you put the mountains in the other video not the last video with the truck in the video ?

No I did not use a tripod, I used the roof and hood of the car as a tripod. The image processors also wondered how much I moved the camera during filming, so they ran a process on it that detects and corrects any camera movement in the video. Whenever movement is detected, we see a white line on the side of the screen in the direction the movement was detected.
The result is (as you saw) we see the craft moving wildly all over the place dozens of times, and a white line shows up only 3 or 4 times.

So over all I managed to keep the camera pretty rock solid, with a few exceptions.



You definitely got my curiosity and were you in the desert with Bill Cooper?

No. Never met Bill.

The first video that light is bouncing all over the place if you have a video proving the camera was stationary that would be something.

Yes I do have such a video. See above. Then see below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1E6jr0ny4aA

Quote
The video you posted is just a light for a second filmed from the road while moving I hope you are going to post more.

I do recall you having more video years ago on your YT channel but you took them down I thought Phil Schneider had been with you I may be mistaken.

I used to Have Phil and Ron's video of Area51 up there. Funny how Phil never mentioned that trip in his lectures.

Got rather behind on this thread/topic..


Hope to try and  catch up on this thread and make some comments if I can...

Hi Big Pappy 51.

I am short of time to do any indepth prior re research to try to offer more detailed comments to some of your past posts in this thread.

I have been a follower of the Bob Lazar story on and off over some time...
and have now probably forgot parts of it as I age... as its sometime since I looked into various parts of it... (That may apply to some other members as well)

I am not greatly familiar with your background...
but  on reading some of your posts in this thread, You seem to be someone who has done some quite detailed indepth research to parts of the story and been in contact with certain connected people...

and you have educated me on somethings that I had not been aware of before.
Although I still need to research more into some of the things you posted...

I note that you made some detailed ref to Ed Fouche and Alien Scientist...

I recall some past threads about some of PRCs and Ed Fouche / A.S discussions about Bob.   How they were debunking Bobs story... which it seems that you also are also indicating in some of your comments..

Few of us, if any  are Scientist... but even Scientists have various views...Some who claim to be Scientists on some of the UFO type TV programs... as what I recall have indicated that they may believe Bobs story...

but it does seem unproveable...

What I will say about Ed Fouche... is that from my own witness of a TR3B.. what he said was correct... and NOT B.S..  Unless what I saw was some sort of Holograpic projection..
It maybe  the most amazing thing that I may have ever seen...

and I truely Thank Ed for making me aware about the TR3B...

but still am not sure what his thoughts had been about Bobs story...
(I seen some of the suggestions...)

If the TR3 B is man made which I suspect overall it is... the big question still is does it involve Alien Technology ?


I think Bobs claim for the Sports Model or other UFOs he claims he witnessed at S4...may well be ET if they exist..

You made a ref to the Sports model E115  Reactor being unlikely... to work on such technology.... of using an unstable element as E115... or maybe you suggest such small reactors are unlikely...

That I think certainly is something few would be aware about.. no matter how far featched it may seem...

I suspect small reactors do exist....I think I have seen them at sometime...
but its hard to believe maybe that triangle pieces of E115 would have to be inserted into reactors for the Craft to Work as Bob suggested..

If such craft exist... what other possible theories maybe possible / plausable.. I wonder..

Upon you having seen A51s videos.... Had you never seen them before you came on PRC ?

Can I ask if you have seen them now... Has it altered your thoughts on Bobs story or A51s claims and footage of what you see.

If you still query what you see...

What other theories may you have , if any ?


If you still can prove otherwise....

Those of us who may have considered Bobs story... maybe our santity can be re-questioned  ! and you can clarify or make us see a clear alternative view to it...


Was you a member on Alien Scientist.... I sem to recall someone called Big Pappy...
which I thought had been Ed Fouches AS name .

The A.S  forum does not seem to be active at the moment...or at least not at the time I post this reply...

http://www.alienscientist.com/forum/forum.php

Astro how are you its been awhile ?

I'm going to share some of what I experienced and know about the strangeness of last 24 hrs o about Edgar Fouches death

I spoke with Ed up until the day well night he died I spent 5 hours with Ed on OOvOO the day he died. He called me the night prior and said he was going to the VA in Kerrville TX and that he would be online when he got home around 11am nd Ed called me on the phone and said get on OovoO. Being that my work schedule was so crazy at the time I had some time off and we talked till 5 pm that day.

I'm going to try to answer a few questions here you put a lot out and if you like you can fire any question you like at me concerning Ed. Ed died on May 11, 2017.

I have had the strangest things happen to me when Ed and I would talk it seems to go away when I don't talk about Ed publicly. I rarely talk about Ed in public I have refused to do a number of hows about Ed his wife had made a request for me to leave the story alone. She told why they had been thru because of Eds disclosure of the TR3B its almost been a few years so I will talk some here and there. I was not a part of this program and Ed has always told the story in a legal way from second hand information for the most part.

Ed was extremely bothered that his best friend in the USAF a guy named Oscar had dropped over dead just a few months prior to Eds death. The guy didn't have any health problems I had met him he seemed to be in good health he loved his grandchildren more than anything. Eds friend Jerry Elerick dropped over dead the same exact way. When I talked to Oscar on a few occasions he was extremely paranoid about talking and he explained to me that he went to the IUFOC and tried to talk Ed out of doing the IUFOC 1998. Oscar was a very serious guy who seemed to not take any crap from anyone.

Ed and Jerry were together at Edwards AFB if I remember correctly I think Jerry was in the USAF for about 8 or 10 years and got out here's a photo of Ed and Jerry in the late 80s obviously after their careers in the USAF below.

(https://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x471/bigpappy51/Screenshot_2017-10-06-22-13-32%202_zpsykhenxij.png)


Ed and Oscar spent a lot of time together of seas at Kadena AFB Ed and Oscar both lived in Las Vegas both spent years at Nellis AFB and surrounding bases and they both put in their 20yrs and moved on to working on Govt Contractors. Ed was a program manager at SAIC San Antonio and his boss hand picked Ed after USAF retirement 1987 The guy who picked Ed was a former SR-71 pilot he worked for a number of Govt COntractor after his USAF Career.

The night Ed had died the day we spoke on OovoO for 5 hours or more we had a fantastic time going over all kinds of things mainly Eds military career and the fun he had and remembering his friends who most are gone. And when I hung up with Ed I sensed that this is the last time I'm going to talk to Ed he had talked about things I never heard him ever say before so that evening as I was saying I texted Ed and told him on The Smithsonian channel I think it was called "UFOS Declassified:Black Triangles"
And I still have the text was kind of strange this show wa on the night Ed passed.. Like it was some type of sign. When I didn't hear back from Ed the following day I texted him back and I got a return text and it said to call the house. Well Eds wife answered and she told me that Ed passed sometime in the night I was extremely sad it was rare that Ed and I were not in contact at least every other day. Eds wife is a very wonderful person nothing but excellent things to say about her.

Ed was like my big brother and he and his wife treated me like family Ed called me brother all the time I called him brother. I sure do miss Ed they always gave me the best advice.  One thing people don't know about Ed was the guy would give the shirt off his back. I seen Ed take care of a number of families in his town that could not pay their bills and Ed made sure they always had food shelter and heat that was Edgar Fouche. Ed was demonized online because he was brutally honest and some people didn't like it. Ed was a great friend and Ed always said the TR story he has told was the truth as he knew it. One of Eds friends said the craft  was real as well one with just a nod of his head.

I had sent Ed a text that evening telling him to set his recorder well anyway I didn't hear anything back from him that was the night of 10th Ed death was in the middle of the night on the 11th. So then within just a few days I think it was the May 14th this fake TR3B patent hits the internet and its everywhere within about 48 hrs of Eds death which to me is no coincidence. If you go to YouTube and type in TR3B Patent you will see all these videos took place directly after Eds death Here is one of those videos below:

May 15th This guy ues one of Eds drawings in his video as well
https://youtu.be/u8RO75Qjy7M (https://youtu.be/u8RO75Qjy7M)

May 21st
https://youtu.be/-8mpD-HDwVI

May 17th
ThirdPhaseOfMoon a garbage channel like Secureteam10
https://youtu.be/DICt3keSRqY

So why all the fake TR3B patent videos right after Ed dies these guys had no clue Ed had passed. In the one video Im telling the guy that ed passed in the comments..
I knew Ed for many years the people I got to know thru Ed was amazing and I heard all I needed to eve hear to know the TR3B is real and the amount of people who see this craft every year is shocking also I have people contact me and end me drawings they make that just happen to look identical to Eds 1980s drawings

The friends that Edgar Fouche had were not your normal average military guys. Ed ran around with former SR-71 pilots and knew people the most difficult aircraft ever to fly the SR71.

And as far the question of are these massive triangles aliens well why would aliens all the sudden switch to flying triangles in the mid 1980s ? Is the technology the mercury based plasma MFD reverse alien engineered you know that's the question similar to the Die Glocke The NAZI Bell.

I'm not sure if you heard by Alienscientist recently did a video where he stated he took what Ed stated out of context when Ed said that "he was a liar and nothing he ever said was the truth" Ed and Jeremy had both tarnished one another there was a lot of damage done to their friendship. I actually have the real video I was one of the 3 people in that video Ed had repeated exactly what I asked him to say as a joke. Anyway Ed and Alienscientist didn't get along and they did at one time then toward the end of Eds life Ed and Jeremy had made amends.

Astro As I said feel free to ask me anything we can talk about Lazar in another post.

BigPappy51

QuoteA51Watcher I used to Have Phil and Ron's video of Area51 up there. Funny how Phil never mentioned that trip in his lectures.

Yes why did Phil talk about his trips to Rachel/ Area-51 ? He talks about Dulce and the alien wars of 1979. I was reading about Phil a few days ago on Norio Hayakawas page Phils exwife and a friend of Phils from childhood were going at it about Phils life and the FOIA by the FBI of Phil eating Uranium.

FBI FOIA says Phil Schneider at Uranium Part 1
https://youtu.be/lGT-8pIm4kA (https://youtu.be/lGT-8pIm4kA)

Part 2 FBI FOIA
https://youtu.be/GtS4kR5IGCU

Area51Watcher what do you think the reason is Phil never talk about being at Area-51 ? The way Phil was you would think he would be talking all about The Area51 trips

It appears from this recent Larry King interview thet Bob is NOT 'livid' about the new movie, as has been alleged recently.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6FQuIqClg4


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUMwoNRyiqc


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7jA4OLNZvA

John Lear on FB a little while ago talking about 4 names....

QuoteThe Corbell video was so bad because 40% of it Corbell points the camera at himself commenting on 30 year old information. There is an insanely long portion of Corbell talking to George Knapp on his cellphone. For what was supposed to be a professional documentary the sound is worse than horrible. Mickey Rourke (supposedly paid $65,000) mumbles through his dialogue like he has had a few. All of the sound comes from the camera mike. No remote mike was used for any of the segments.

There are many short segments which have no meaning or bearing. One is of Corbell walking backwards, one is of a brick wall. Another is of an aquarium and another of a refrigerator door opening.

There are plenty of explosions but from where? And what do they have to do with Bob Lazar?

There is about 5 minutes of new information but the rest is all rehashed from old George Knapp collected videos that he loaned to Jeremy.

The video goes on and on and on for one hour and 37 minutes of nothing but a rehash of old information. Its been a huge disappointment for those of us who know Bob and believe he deserved better. But you don't know the half of it. The first version was so bad that Bob ripped Jeremy a new one which sent Jeremy into seclusion for 5 weeks frantically trying to edit something better than Bob walking around in his shorts before the December premier.

The FBI raid came about only because Jeremy was blabbing on his cell the day before to friends about element 115 that Bob supposedly had. But this part is not mentioned.

Jeremy 4 names is not a producer or film maker. He is simply someone who has a video camera and knows Bob. Ask any professional what they think about Jeremy 4 names' Bob Lazar: Area 51 and Flying Saucers and without exception they will tell you it is amateur night at best. Lack of quality sound lack of quality lighting. Just plain old home movies edited into an hour and 37 minutes of pure boredom. It might have been more accurately titled, "How I Spent 5 Weeks Last Summer At Bobs Place."

Now I was delighted Jeremy used a few of my videos and maps but for some reason I didn't even rate a "Thanks to" at the conclusion. No problem. There is no limit to what you can accomplish if you don't care who gets the credit.
John Lear

Quote from: The Seeker on January 21, 2019, 12:51:56 PM
John Lear on FB a little while ago talking about 4 names....

amateur night at best.. ;)

Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on January 21, 2019, 01:23:11 PM
amateur night at best.. ;)

John doesn't beat around the bush much  8) He needs to get Marilee's buddy Clint Eastwood to critique it for us  :P

If Bob L motivation was not money, 4 names told me directly on FB when I asked him, what was the motivation to do this ??  ???

Quote from: fansongecho on January 21, 2019, 05:08:32 PM
If Bob L motivation was not money, 4 names told me directly on FB when I asked him, what was the motivation to do this ??  ???

Be careful of talking to 4 names and expecting the truth.

Quote from: fansongecho on January 21, 2019, 05:08:32 PM
If Bob L motivation was not money, 4 names told me directly on FB when I asked him, what was the motivation to do this ??  ???

Ask Bob Lazar, his email address is on his website United Nuclear; you might get lucky...

Quote from: fansongecho on January 21, 2019, 05:08:32 PM
If Bob L motivation was not money, 4 names told me directly on FB when I asked him, what was the motivation to do this ??  ???

Ask 4 Names WHY he won't release TheRealJohnLear.com domain back to it's rightful owner

I will do Z  :)

4 names talks about J Lear At 37:50 Corbell talks about filming John for 7 years and tells a story of why Johns not in the movie. "John blocked himself from being in this movie in a crazy J Lear move."

(https://s3.castbox.fm/4b/50/71/ebdfbf44d2597c8d03300be652b74148ef_scaled_600.jpg)

https://castbox.fm/episode/Bob-Lazar%3A-Area-51-%26-Flying-Saucers-An-Interview-With-Jeremy-Corbell-%7C-120-id1481447-id119675457?country=us


BigPappy51

Hi Big pappy 51

Thanks for your reply..

I will need to catch up and reply further when I can...

on a quick browse you seem to have posted some interesting info..

cheers
Astro

Hi Big Pappy 51

Just a brief initial  reply for now.

Thanks for the information on Ed Fouche.

What you describe in ref to Eds time when he passed away... does seem rather strange. and possibly also suspect..

I have come across or seen on some other UFO TV programs some similar strange situations.

It may seem those who run the show in the UFO type agendas may have  ultimate control to do as they decide maybe if someone is passing on info that they wish to contro; or hide from the public. which we are all now probably aware on PRC.
and other similar forums.


The death of Phil Schnieder may also  have been a similar situation.

There no doubt are questions about Phils Area 51 experiences as well as his claims about Dulce...

It did seem he kept his Area 51 experience overall  quiet for some reason...

Its interesting that you have made contacts of some of his family connections...

I was at one time trying to find out a few more things in ref to Phils background in one thread that I posted on...
which I will try to refind at  sometime...

Hope to reply more at sometime to some other points that you wrote about..

Now let's take a look at a frame from Bob's footage with some different advanced imaging software -


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mMrX7jX8qY

BP :  In ref to this and another Post related to Phil Schneider... in which you made comments of some contacts that you had made who were connected to Phil..

I said Id try to find another thread where I had been discussing Phil...which I think was this one..

where I was trying to find out more about some of his background...

and what was possibly true or false about it... such as what was his real employment background..

ie was he in tunnel construction / or a Geologist as was this B.S as I think A51w   indicated...


http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=1573.60

Quote from: bigpappy51 on January 20, 2019, 08:31:49 AM
Yes why did Phil talk about his trips to Rachel/ Area-51 ? He talks about Dulce and the alien wars of 1979. I was reading about Phil a few days ago on Norio Hayakawas page Phils exwife and a friend of Phils from childhood were going at it about Phils life and the FOIA by the FBI of Phil eating Uranium.

FBI FOIA says Phil Schneider at Uranium Part 1
https://youtu.be/lGT-8pIm4kA (https://youtu.be/lGT-8pIm4kA)

Part 2 FBI FOIA
https://youtu.be/GtS4kR5IGCU

Area51Watcher what do you think the reason is Phil never talk about being at Area-51 ? The way Phil was you would think he would be talking all about The Area51 trips

Quote from: astr0144 on January 25, 2019, 10:10:46 PM
Hi Big Pappy 51

Just a brief initial  reply for now.

Thanks for the information on Ed Fouche.

What you describe in ref to Eds time when he passed away... does seem rather strange. and possibly also suspect..

I have come across or seen on some other UFO TV programs some similar strange situations.

It may seem those who run the show in the UFO type agendas may have  ultimate control to do as they decide maybe if someone is passing on info that they wish to contro; or hide from the public. which we are all now probably aware on PRC.
and other similar forums.


The death of Phil Schnieder may also  have been a similar situation.

There no doubt are questions about Phils Area 51 experiences as well as his claims about Dulce...

It did seem he kept his Area 51 experience overall  quiet for some reason...

Its interesting that you have made contacts of some of his family connections...

I was at one time trying to find out a few more things in ref to Phils background in one thread that I posted on...
which I will try to refind at  sometime...

Hope to reply more at sometime to some other points that you wrote about..

Hey Astro

I will say this it as almost like Ed knew it was his time and that happens with people before they die. I just had a feeling after we hung up that it was the last time I would talk to him. As I state before he said things I never heard him say before he was at peace for sure. He was at the VA the day that he passed in the morning and had come home I think it was a regular checkup.

A few years ago Ed survived 9 blood clots in his legs which were severely black and blue both of them from top to bottom I never seen anything like that before in my life. He definitely had some health issues in the past 4 or 5 years of his life.

Astro

When it comes to Phil Schneider I will quote what his brother sister and a former roommate of Phils had stated.
LINK: https://noriohayakawa.wordpress.com/2015/12/21/phil-schneider-his-mental-illness-and-ssi/

HERE IS A TESTIMONY FROM CHARLES GILBERT WRIGHT OF NEW JERSEY:

Yes, this information  (Norio Hayakawa's information)  agrees with what I found out from Phil's brother and sister, and friends of Ron Rummel, and other friends of Phil's.  Thank you for sharing.  It is so easy for information to circulate round and round on the internet.

It was back in the late 1990's when I called Phil's brother George on the phone who was working then at the Portland River Patrol and he had his sister, Polly send me a letter also.  The Schneider family came from Russia in the late 1800's and were Jewish, and the family was deeply hurt when Phil lied and said his father was a German U-Boat commander during WWII, when in reality his father was a medical officer in the US Navy.  His uncle is an attorney in Portland.  I think I did this research in 1996, 22 years ago, so a whole new generation is now reading all this stuff that has taken on a life of it's own.  Separating the BS from the truth is difficult, but well worth it.  Norio, we moved back to NJ in 2012.  Good to hear from you again.

HERE IS ANOTHER VERY INTERESTING COMMENT FROM HIS ONE-TIME ROOMMATE:

From G. Clinton:

What I know about Phil Schneider:

(QUOTE)

"This morning in the state of boredom I decided to look up and see if I can find anything about people I used to know on Google.

Imagine my surprise to find that there was a cult of Phil Schneider who I knew very well in 1977 though 1980.

I moved to Portland, Oregon in 1977,  unemployed and very short on funds.  I moved into a very cheap rooming house

Shortly after I moved in,  Phil Schneider moved in.  It didn't take me very long at all to realize that he was a liar.  And I thought he was mentally ill.

His missing fingers:

He told me that he had lost them when he was working in eastern Oregon as a lineman when he had some sort of mishap on a pole  (frankly I no longer recall the details; it has been nearly 40 years).

His chest wound:

I took him to the hospital.

One day as I was talking to other roomers in the common room, Phil came down the stairs with blood on his shirt saying he'd been shot.  A story he quickly changed to somehow being inflicted by a passing car having losing a snow stud which struck him in the chest causing the wounds.  No one present believed him, of course, but it was certainly not the time for discussions of his credibility.  I took him to the hospital.

After a short time one of the ER doctors came up to me and asked if I had any influence with Phil.  I said,"not really."  The doctor said that they would like to keep him for a psych evaluation but had no grounds to do so.  I was asked to try to convince Phil to voluntarily submit.

At this point and having my own suspicions I said to the doctor, " you suspect it's self-inflicted?"  The doctor said, yes.

I did talk to Phil a little bit, of course he refused.

I wish I could remember which hospital in Portland it was.  Unfortunately I just don't.  But there should be records.

This happened in possibly late 77 more likely 78 perhaps even early 79.

There is more I could talk about.  But none of it would be particularly germaine.

By the time I parted company with Phil, entirely, probably sometime in 1980, I was of the very solid opinion that Phil was disturbed and probably a danger to himself but not others   (I should note here that I'm completely unqualified in any clinical sense to say these things.)

Now I know that no one has any particular reason to give my testimony any credibility.

But, there it is.  I hope that this may help slightly for some people to be suspicious of anything he said.  I certainly was and am.

Phil Schneider was not a horrible person.  He was certainly at some level delusional.  He was for a short time a very flawed friend of mine."

I would agree with A51Watcher about Phil. l I think the reason why Phil never mentioned his trips to Area-51 is in the research Norio had done on Phil he stole Bobs story about the underground war at Area-51 with ET and used at Dulce. I don't agree with Norio about everything he posts but here I think the research is most likely correct.
To thi day there i no proof anything is going on at The Archulete Mesa in Dulce NM.

BigPappy51

Thanks BP51  for the feedback on Ed F and Phil S.

What was indicated could certainly be the case.. unless it was someone who was trying to cover up Phils story..

but as Phils relatives back it up... it suggests that Phil was making it up..

Quote from: astr0144 on February 06, 2019, 08:37:26 PM
Thanks BP51  for the feedback on Ed F and Phil S.

What was indicated could certainly be the case.. unless it was someone who was trying to cover up Phils story..

but as Phils relatives back it up... it suggests that Phil was making it up..

Hey Astro

I can no longer find it but Phils autopsy used to be online and It was something to read not only was he a self mutilator but he was into some crazy tuff. I think the reason he died with a catheter wrapped around his neck is the same reason actor David Carradine died. Not all people who die of strangulation are murdered. People who self mutilate get off on pain and near death experiences. My personal belief is that Phil accidentally killed himself I don't think he committed suicide or was murdered its my opinion after studying everything I could find I wish I could find his autopsy his fingers was not the only thing he mutilated.

A catheter tube of made of silicon and would be very simple for Phil to wrap around his own head it's not like a piece of rope. I used to use them to put not tips on my pool cues. Also Phils FOIA from the FBI tells a story that is strange he used to eat uranium when Phils home was searched he had between 80 and 300 lbs of uranium. I think I already posted the video but will post below.

Phil Schneider FBI FOIA below:
https://youtu.be/lGT-8pIm4kA


BigPappy51

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=10294.msg135994#msg135994 (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=10294.msg135994#msg135994)
you may want to read the above post by A51  8)

I am going to copy it here:

QuoteOk... In doing some digging I found the original statement put out by his ex- wife -

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/ex_wifephil.htm

And then a more recent updated statement -

http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?1243-Archemy-or-Alchemy-You-Decide!-Recipes-for-Making-Gold-Quartz-Geode-Transmuting/page28

And then an updated research paper by Norio -

https://noriohayakawa.wordpress.com/2015/12/21/phil-schneider-his-mental-illness-and-ssi/

So we can see the ex- wife was the one responsible for the 'hung by piano wire' story I originally heard back in the day.

We can also see that besides physical issues Phil had severe mental issues as well.

His friend Ron Rummel told me he had been a pathological liar for as long as he had known him (which had been quite a while).

He also told me Phil lost those fingers while playing around with explosives in the back yard as a kid.

Seeker

The Seeker.

Thank You , I took quite some time away from forums and I realize that there are probably entire threads many pages long dedicated to Phil.

I know Edgar Fouche is not the most popular guy to some people on TheLivingMoon and I think that's due to the wars he had with John Lear and Bob Lazar years ago. I there a Thread on here about Eds death ? I remember when Ed passed away Z contacted me to find out if it was true and I think I gave a statement for him to post using my name. I would like to do a thread about Ed and some of the new things that have are being talked about by let say Knapp and hl PutHoff about Meta Materials which d had talked about at The IUOC in 1997 and 1998 .

My friends thru Ed have stated Ed was talking about QuasiCrystals and Meta-Materials in the early 1990s Ed was talking about thee exotic some call alien materials far before anyone else. The metamaterials Hal Puthoff has described recently like on C@C with Knap a few Sundays ago made me kind of laugh because the material is identical to what Ed spoke about to the IUFOC crowd in the 1990s.

I would like to show Ed videos and prove he was the first speaking about these materials and QuasiCrystals many wrote Ed of because there was so much BS about him out there. I lived it so I now the attacks that were actually done and it wa the most exciting and terrifying times of my life resorting to myself becoming partially agoraphobic mpt watog tp ;eave the house I was being followed everywhere I went and 2 former girlfriends had left me for this reason and its not the Big Navy SEAL Spec Ops type guy following you and letting it be known they are following you its people that you would never think are some type of agents.

I had told Zorgon bout what was going on and he was very helpful . I certainly consider Ron a good guy and I'm not kissing his ass but he was one of only a few I talked to for help because I had no clue if I was going to be alive craziness was taking place and I do have witnesses.

Anyway If I could be pointed in the correct direction or maybe I could start a new thread and put out what I know and I think many of you will find what i know very interesting to say the least. If it was not for Edgar Fouche the term TR3B would not even be known he was the one who told the name of craft. Some have stated TR as actually Tier 3B. Ed was a fantastic person very misunderstood I think his FOIA speaks volumes of whom Edgar Fouche was.

There is a post on here about Ed Fouche's passing, will have to see if I can find it for you, BP;

here it is
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=10327.msg136293#msg136293 (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=10327.msg136293#msg136293)

please do start a new thread about Ed and post your data and vids  8)

Seeker

Quote from: The Seeker on February 08, 2019, 01:45:57 PM
There is a post on here about Ed Fouche's passing, will have to see if I can find it for you, BP;

here it is
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=10327.msg136293#msg136293 (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=10327.msg136293#msg136293)

please do start a new thread about Ed and post your data and vids  8)

Seeker

Thanks Seeker will do my friend.  :) :)

Here is a video clip from Ron Rummel, filming at Area 51 investigating Bob Lazar's claims.

This is an excerpt from Ron and Phil's mission down there, as you can see by the time/date stamp, it was about a month after George Knapp's original KLAS TV News broadcast in Nevada of 'UFO's The Best Evidence'.

It took a few weeks for a videotape of the broadcast to make it's way into my hands, and I immediately showed it to Ron, who then talked Phil into driving him down there pronto.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx5Thc-SKTg


The soundtrack on there is some of my stuff, and there are a few items of interest in this clip.

Ron mentions they have been watching 3 saucers and cannot get them to show up on film. He then tries to get the Moon to show up on film, and it does just fine.

This demonstrates the LUX capability (or lack thereof ) of this camera.

Also notice there are no stars to be seen next to the Moon or anywhere else in the sky, being too dim to register via poor LUX.

They returned home with nothing to show on video, but swore up and down that they saw and recorded 2 Saucers performing insane test flights that broke all laws of physics, i.e. mass, inertia, speed, etc.
     
This was big news at the time considering Bob, John and Gene had only seen one.

This was to be confirmed by my sighting down there a year later when I saw three craft being tested.

Their not having any footage of the craft to show for it is perfectly understandable in my book because -

The majority of the time the craft are testing, they are as dim as stars. I saw this with my own eyes.

Also, I used the exact same camera Ron did for filming the craft. I also wound up with hours of blank footage just like he did, that the naked eye nevertheless saw -dim as stars- craft darting about, which as you saw cannot be picked up by this camera. 

Only when they got super bright like stars about to explode, did they start registering on film. I got lucky and they did that quite a bit while I was filming.

So... starting at 1:12:00 in this video you can see excerpts of their visit to Area 51 including Phil posing by the warning signs at the perimeter.

https://youtu.be/YeltiHPR9nw?t=4314

Ron also confirms they saw landed Flying Saucers.

Why Phil never spoke of this in his lectures in unknown.


Soundtrack on there is also some of my stuff.

Hi BP,

Applogies if I am not able to read and consider all the  recent posts in more detail...with enough thought...but on a quick read and thought basis....for the moment..and for this reply..

What you describe about Phils death / past injuries could have been a possibility when one considers what you have suggested..
Knowing that as we get older and wiser what we become more aware about in ref to how some peoples actions can occur especially if Phil did have certain mental problems...

In most of the members earlier days and posts... it may had never come into consideration...

But I could now consider may a possibility... after having seen many a type of TV program on other people who may have self harmed.. or slipped up and ended up killing themselves unintentionally.

I have come across people who do sort of semi hang themselves or cut off the blood supply to the brain for some sort of feeling sensation type purposes...



Hey Astro

I can no longer find it but Phils autopsy used to be online and It was something to read not only was he a self mutilator but he was into some crazy tuff. I think the reason he died with a catheter wrapped around his neck is the same reason actor David Carradine died. Not all people who die of strangulation are murdered. People who self mutilate get off on pain and near death experiences. My personal belief is that Phil accidentally killed himself I don't think he committed suicide or was murdered its my opinion after studying everything I could find I wish I could find his autopsy his fingers was not the only thing he mutilated.

A catheter tube of made of silicon and would be very simple for Phil to wrap around his own head it's not like a piece of rope. I used to use them to put not tips on my pool cues. Also Phils FOIA from the FBI tells a story that is strange he used to eat uranium when Phils home was searched he had between 80 and 300 lbs of uranium. I think I already posted the video but will post below.

astro/pappy -

The autopsy photos you are looking for are are in a video in this thread -

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=10294.msg135849#msg135849 (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=10294.msg135849#msg135849)

Thks A51..

I dont have a lot of time to research things lately...so appologies if I missed or have not as yet taken in any other posts made... or if I do not reply to some other posts / threads... as I dont know all the background details...as yet....such as your comments in ref to your videos and Robos replies... 

but on a quick look at the link and video...it seems quite detailed and some of the images of Phil seem disturbing and grusom....

Quote from: A51Watcher on February 14, 2019, 10:01:00 PM

astro/pappy -

The autopsy photos you are looking for are are in a video in this thread -

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=10294.msg135849#msg135849 (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=10294.msg135849#msg135849)

    Howdy A51 & astr0, Just so you know the link above does not work.....at least not for me! lol It takes you to the thread, but no pic.

the pictures are in the video. It worked fine for me

Quote from: Payton on February 16, 2019, 07:26:05 PM
the pictures are in the video. It worked fine for me

  Well dang it wont work for me! I tried a couple ways....but after I click the link all I get is an X....... Nada, zip, zilch!   :(

Thanks A51Watcher I didn't think it would be on YouTube with the censorship these days. Hard to look at those pics for sure..  Remember when you and I were talking about why Phil did not tell anyone he was up at Rachel/Area51 ? I think its because he copied Bob Lazars story where Bob said when reading the briefings there was an underground fight between ET and The US Govt up at The Test Site.

Phil took that portion of the story and said it happened at Dulce the so called Dulce wars. What do you think was Phil doing research there was no internet back when he was up there I think this is a rational reason on why he failed to mention that he went up to Rachel NV.. Maybe Glenn Campbell may know be interesting to ask him now that Glenns recovering and doing much better..

BigPappy51

Quote from: bigpappy51 on February 17, 2019, 02:15:33 PM
Thanks A51Watcher I didn't think it would be on YouTube with the censorship these days. Hard to look at those pics for sure..  Remember when you and I were talking about why Phil did not tell anyone he was up at Rachel/Area51 ? I think its because he copied Bob Lazars story where Bob said when reading the briefings there was an underground fight between ET and The US Govt up at The Test Site.

Phil took that portion of the story and said it happened at Dulce the so called Dulce wars. What do you think was Phil doing research there was no internet back when he was up there I think this is a rational reason on why he failed to mention that he went up to Rachel NV.. Maybe Glenn Campbell may know be interesting to ask him now that Glenns recovering and doing much better..

BigPappy51

I think your right.

Phil got ahold of the Dulce story from the BBS printout I gave Ron. He also got ahold of the Lazar story from tapes and documents I gave Ron.

When Phil saw the first Cooper lecture video, he was obviously really moved. He said in a low serious tone "Well I guess it's time to circle the wagons and rally round the flag boys!"

You can also see from the Bill Cooper video I posted and the Phil lecture video I posted that Phil was so impressed with Cooper that he copied his tone of voice, inflections and mannerisms to a T.

Interesting Phil actually had a Bill Cooper tone mannerism when he spoke now that you say that . Was just making some comparisons. And lets face it Bill Cooper was a very powerful voice back then. Some of Bill Area51 footage is amazing yet in latter years he discounted it  all do you know what that was? He filmed a Triangular craft fly right over his head that blew me away and he was up on Freedom Ridge at the time. He also filmed The Lazar type saucers as well.

I just wonder what made Bill Cooper call it a Govt psyop in the end he had changed his mind about what it was he was seeing.

BigPappy51