Pegasus Research Consortium

Now there's a nice pedigree for the accuracy of our Image Filtering work from the man himself!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-a7WmGVedz0

Speaking of replies, this thread certainly illustrates the reason my videos are produced under the name Tumbleweed Films.

Nothing for replies but tumbleweeds and crickets around here. LOL


Anyway, I spoke with Bob for about 20 minutes today and he answered some questions with never before revealed information.

For instance - the question has been asked before around here - If the anti matter reactor has a force field around it while it is running (they bounced a golf ball off it), how do they manage to get their hands inside there to shut the reactor off?


Well Bob answered that question today, and what I would like to do is see if any members here can guess how this was accomplished since we have some pretty sharp cookies around here.

It will probably be difficult to hazard a guess for most members since no one has been able to guess up till now since the problem seems insurmountable.

So here's a hint for you -

Once I heard what the answer was, I though about it and it makes perfect sense now based on what we already know about the interior of the craft told to us.

Please post your guesses/answers here in this thread.

8)

Quote from: A51Watcher on May 19, 2019, 08:04:17 AM

Anyway, I spoke with Bob for about 20 minutes today and he answered some questions with never before revealed information.

For instance - the question has been asked before around here - If the anti matter reactor has a force field around it while it is running (they bounced a gold ball off it), how do they manage to get their hands inside there to shut the reactor off?


Well Bob answered that question today, and what I would like to do is see if any members here can guess how this was accomplished since we have some pretty sharp cookies around here.

It will probably be difficult to hazard a guess for most members since no one has been able to guess up till now since the problem seems insurmountable.

So here's a hint for you -

Once I heard what the answer was, I though about it and it makes perfect sense now based on what we already know about the interior of the craft told to us.

Please post your guesses/answers here in this thread.

8)

IF the reactor unit is completely encircled by a force field, preventing any physical penetration, then one would surmise that the control panel would be motion activated, or by light receptors

8)

Seeker

I'll play. Here's my guess:

You raise/adjust the waveguide or turn off the proton stream source. All of these are outside the hypothetical field.

hey 51

seriously it's mental telepathy..or order by thought process..in human terms
i have no idea what it would be called otherwise..i only have human words
;D

Quote from: A51Watcher on May 19, 2019, 08:04:17 AM
Speaking of replies, this thread certainly illustrates the reason my videos are produced under the name Tumbleweed Films

Yup been pretty dead around here... like a Ghost Town (Tumbleweeds and Crickets :P )

mostly because people are jaded by the old stuff and not much new has popped up. The old timers are croaking or going senile and the 'new kids on the block' are just twisting stuff to make a buck

And when you think about it all we really have that is 'solid' is this one film... in all the years of study, no real alien or nuts and bolts saucer to touch

sigh....


I will go with telepathy... because we are already making thought controlled helmets for the Air Force

The Army's Totally Serious Mind-Control Project
http://content.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1841108,00.html

Mind-reading helmets on the horizon for fighter pilots
https://www.foxnews.com/tech/mind-reading-helmets-on-the-horizon-for-fighter-pilots

  I love this kind of stuff, so I'll guess too.  Very cool image processing!
1.  I have not seen much information about these craft.  I think I remember on TV seeing an interview with Bob and him saying that there was no apparent control mechanisms in the craft he was in.  If this is the case it indicates a good possibility that (like a couple others have already stated) it may be mentally controlled by thought convenience with the craft its self.
2.  Another possibility that pops in my mind is (it being an antimatter power supply, perhaps it need never be shut off.)  As long as the fuel and containment are maintained the craft could be made stationary by applying equal gravitational push/pull in a spherical, force compensating, radiating pattern.  Essentially equalizing force from all directions.  Like thrusting props on a ocean liner but capable of doing so in 3D. 
3.  After looking at the inside portion of the video, I noticed something appearing and disappearing that resembled a cylindrical area of void at the top and bottom and is perhaps, indication of a polarity involved with this force field.  If this is the case, there may be possible access through the weakening of the fields at the N/S poles.  If they actually need for some reason to physically handle the mechanism.   
4.  At one point of the video of the inside, there is what looks to be a apparent lifting or separating of the field. Possibly this is a way in with (magnetism) making a doorway or separation in the field.     

   Much fun!  Cant wait to see what the answer is......;D 

P.S. I also have a question or two.  At the very end of the video there are patterns radiating away from the craft in several directions.  My questions are -Was the craft in motion? Are the radial patterns seen an indication of the crafts direction of motion?  If so was the craft moving in concordance with the pattern projection or the opposite direction with the lack of.   8)

After reading otter and Z's replies, I recall Phillip Corso telling of the Roswell crash occupants wearing what resembled chain mail suits and literally being a part of the control circuitry themselves, so direct thought interface seems plausible:

Also Z, look back at the Clint Eastwood movie "Firefox" which was about a super advanced Soviet plane that used helmets that read the pilots thoughts; Clint had to think in russian to fly the plane...

Hey thanks for the replies and thanks for making me feel like such a dum dum for never having thought of those solutions myself.

No one has come up with the correct answer yet but a couple of them are blowing in the right direction.

Let me clarify the hint about what we know about the interior of the craft.

What amazed scientists initially was not what was found inside, but what was NOT found inside is the key.

   Ok I'll take another bite.   I'm not familiar with exactly what this imagery your using shows as far as types of energy and alike.  But it looks that there is little or no space for an occupant.  If that's so then perhaps it's totally remote controlled, and is done via some type of signal transmission without any direct contact.  No need to be onboard or touch anything to turn it off, just do it remotely. 
  What is the answer ??? I'm chomping at the bit here.   lol    :D

Quote from: WhatTheHey on May 20, 2019, 05:01:01 AM
   Ok I'll take another bite.   I'm not familiar with exactly what this imagery your using shows as far as types of energy and alike.  But it looks that there is little or no space for an occupant.  If that's so then perhaps it's totally remote controlled, and is done via some type of signal transmission without any direct contact.  No need to be onboard or touch anything to turn it off, just do it remotely. 
  What is the answer ??? I'm chomping at the bit here.   lol    :D

Actually there were 3 "child size" seats spaced equally around the reactor in the center.

Well the Cat from Outer Space used TELEPATHY :P 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SEaSW1jtnQ

Quote from: zorgon on May 19, 2019, 11:22:03 PM

And when you think about it all we really have that is 'solid' is this one film...

Umm.. not really, we also have these -

http://www.image-analysis-team.com/video/PR11Tracer.mp4

http://www.image-analysis-team.com/video/PR05Deuem01.mp4

:P

Quote it's totally remote controlled,

by golly, i think he's got it..
look under the couch cushions

Quote from: space otter on May 20, 2019, 02:09:32 PM
by golly, i think he's got it..
look under the couch cushions

Very funny! Well if your going to quote, at least show the rest of the comment.  I said that before A51s post about there being 3 small chairs inside.  It looked like the inner area may be to small for occupants.  I was thinking maybe its like a drone.
   I don't know much about Bob Lazars story.  Most of what I know I saw 10 or 15 years ago on TV.  I have not had enough time to watch more videos about it.  It seems like this must be the vary craft that Bob saw in the flesh so to speak, since it's known that this craft has 3 seats inside.   I was unaware that they had video of the same craft he had worked on in operation.  Wow.
  So I'm guessing from what I can remember and the information supplied in this post and video.  I assume that the images we are seeing in this compiled video set are variations of light wave types showing specific selected wave forms in layers.
  I believe I remember something about element 115 or 116, and doing a process  to make 116 out of 115.  And since A51 said it's something that's not shown on the inside that is the key to how they manage to turn off the reactor, I thought I would ask, should there be a second energy signature separate from the main reactor having to do with a fuel source and processing that is not present?   :-\ 
  My thoughts being may be this craft is charged excursion by excursion and is prescribed a set amount of fuel for a specific amount of time.  After which it is allowed to essentially run out of fuel.   ???
  Popped back in cuz I had another idea.  ;)
I just had another though, there isn't any image visible of any occupants.  Perhaps that's because they are already inside the force field at the start.  Enveloped by the field as it forms.  Their energy signatures being masked by the reactors force field.  Being inside the field may be what gives them the protection from the G-forces they would face without it and being already within they would be able to manipulate the reactor.     I like this one the best. lol

  Fun stuff A51

Well it appears everyone has placed their bets so here we go.

What was NOT discovered inside the craft was any wiring of any kind or anything connecting the various components.

All components were stand alone self sufficient units.

They had managed to disassemble at least one craft and in Bob's office they had the various components of the propulsion system lying around on desks and benches and they all functioned fine with no wires or connections between them. In fact you could move them around and place them elsewhere and they continued to function.

So apparently they were all connected in a wireless network. And whereas our primitive wireless networks only transmit zeros and ones, advanced Alien wireless transmits billions of volts from the reactor to components all without frying the occupants inside.

So what Bob said the other day is there are several ways to shut down the reactor, but the way they most commonly used in the lab was - turn one of of the emitters to an 80 degree angle and the reactor shuts itself down (Apparently emitters are normally in a horizontal position).

So apparently the reactor is programmed to do that if one (or any) of the emitters is seen to go offline. An 80 degree angle must be out of phase enough to qualify for this status I am guessing.

  ;D   Very cool A51, thanks for the fun!    ;D

hey A51  this is a test-your-patience post because i is confused and not trying to stir any pots here

question was

QuoteFor instance - the question has been asked before around here - If the anti matter reactor has a force field around it while it is running (they bounced a golf ball off it), how do they manage to get their hands inside there to shut the reactor off?

the answer was

QuoteSo what Bob said the other day is there are several ways to shut down the reactor, but the way they most commonly used in the lab was - turn one of of the emitters to an 80 degree angle and the reactor shuts itself down (Apparently emitters are normally in a horizontal position).

So apparently the reactor is programmed to do that if one (or any) of the emitters is seen to go offline. An 80 degree angle must be out of phase enough to qualify for this status I am guessing.

see  now you have confused me and why I don't get into these threads...so I hope I can ask some questions for clarity  and not get yelled at (the way armap does when just asking for clarity)

I assumed.. and yeah I know that's a no-no  anyway  I assumed from your question of
how do they manage to get their hands inside there to shut the reactor off?

that they were outside of the craft and  these emmitters were inside
protected by this anti matter thing.. is that a correct assumption?

but from your answer it sounds like everything was outside the craft and lined up and all they had to do to turn of the one of the units 20 degrees and it all shut down
it that a correct reading of your answer?

so if they can't actually touch it ..how do they turn it enough to get the reactor to shut off?   use a pole?  toss a brick?
and how did they get it to work outside of a 'contained' area? anyway

but if that is the answer..to askew an emitter  the question is still how do they get their hands inside at all?

???

if these are all dumb questions just tell me to not ask anymore..
you know I have no problem with that  51..none at all 

Quote from: space otter on May 21, 2019, 10:44:30 PM
hey A51  this is a test-your-patience post because i is confused and not trying to stir any pots here

question was
the answer was


see  now you have confused me and why I don't get into these threads...so I hope I can ask some questions for clarity  and not get yelled at (the way armap does when just asking for clarity)

Of course, shoot.

I assumed.. and yeah I know that's a no-no  anyway  I assumed from your question of
how do they manage to get their hands inside there to shut the reactor off?

that they were outside of the craft and  these emmitters were inside
protected by this anti matter thing.. is that a correct assumption?

My understanding is that the force field only surrounded the reactor for a fairly short distance, a small bubble if you will, which was located in the center of the craft. All the other components were located in various areas of the craft, either in the main cabin or the lower compartment where the gravity amplifiers are located.

but from your answer it sounds like everything was outside the craft and lined up and all they had to do to turn of the one of the units 20 degrees and it all shut down
it that a correct reading of your answer?

No, see above.

so if they can't actually touch it ..how do they turn it enough to get the reactor to shut off?   use a pole?  toss a brick?
and how did they get it to work outside of a 'contained' area? anyway

but if that is the answer..to askew an emitter  the question is still how do they get their hands inside at all?

???

if these are all dumb questions just tell me to not ask anymore..
you know I have no problem with that  51..none at all

No, all good questions based on unfamiliarity with the layout of the craft.

(http://users.skynet.be/bob.lazar/www.boblazar.com/closed/bridge.jpg)

(http://www.zamandayolculuk.com/fj-3/f-spacecraft-gravitycontrol-.JPG)

(https://www.bing.com/th?id=OIP.hXYGAMCDtGht4cE2vVPtIAHaEv&pid=Api)

(http://www.pearltrees.com/s/pic/or/bob-lazar-82373604)

(http://users.skynet.be/bob.lazar/www.boblazar.com/closed/distort2.gif)


The field you see enveloping the craft in the above image is not a force field, but a gravity distortion field.






Also I believe WhatTheHey was commenting on various components he thought were visible in the OP video.

Yes quite often we see components and gravity distortion fields visible in the shape and direction Bob described, from various filtering and the Shades Of Black process.

Most often we see the reactor and gravity amplifiers.

In one image see what appears to be the pilot sitting in one of the seats.

We have a draft version video completed on this type of evidence and have more images ready for a V2.0 film on the subject.

Hope this clarifies.

eta: I'm not sure if the force field around the reactor is a natural byproduct of it's operation, or just a wise precaution.

...And speaking of the gravity distortion field, I mentioned to Bob that his footage shows extreme distortion of the shape of the craft that changes radically from frame to frame, and asked if that was due to the gravity distortion field creating a gravity lensing effect like astronomers see in Hubble photos.

He smiled and said "Exactly! When the 3 gravity amplifiers power up they create spinning prism's that distort our view."

He seemed to be pleased that somebody was actually 'getting it'.  ;D

And speaking of transmitting voltage on a wireless network, it is said Tesla was working on such a project -

(https://assets.atlasobscura.com/article_images/59042/image.jpg)

thanks  51 for your answer
while I follow your posts with interest it is not always with understanding..and
ufo tech is not a strong suit for me so I appreciate your explanation
and I do understand more than I did

now tesla and that pic of Wardenclyffe Tower has me seeing all kinds of orbs of varying sizes in it and wondering  about them

Quote from: A51Watcher on May 22, 2019, 12:25:43 AM

And speaking of transmitting voltage on a wireless network, it is said Tesla was working on such a project -

(https://assets.atlasobscura.com/article_images/59042/image.jpg)

Just imagine the gazillions of mega watts those things would need to put out to meet today's needs... And you thought 5G will fry your brains :P

Quote from: space otter on May 22, 2019, 12:57:04 AM
now tesla and that pic of Wardenclyffe Tower has me seeing all kinds of orbs of varying sizes in it and wondering  about them

Orbs FEED off of thunderstorms, nuclear stations, powerlines, space tethers and yes  Tesla towers :P

  not to derail  A51's topic but

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=2669.msg148154;topicseen#new

pssst  does this look at all familiar?  dang aliens...bhahahahahahah
i should have said sneaky aliens..but Tesla did say he  had spoken to them..hummmmmmmmmmmm


Tesla's Magnifying "Apparatus for transmitting electrical energy" U.S. Patent 1,119,732 covered the basic function of the device used at Wardenclyffe

Quote from: A51Watcher on May 19, 2019, 08:04:17 AM
Speaking of replies, this thread certainly illustrates the reason my videos are produced under the name Tumbleweed Films.

Nothing for replies but tumbleweeds and crickets around here. LOL


Anyway, I spoke with Bob for about 20 minutes today and he answered some questions with never before revealed information.

For instance - the question has been asked before around here - If the anti matter reactor has a force field around it while it is running (they bounced a golf ball off it), how do they manage to get their hands inside there to shut the reactor off?


Well Bob answered that question today, and what I would like to do is see if any members here can guess how this was accomplished since we have some pretty sharp cookies around here.

It will probably be difficult to hazard a guess for most members since no one has been able to guess up till now since the problem seems insurmountable.

So here's a hint for you -

Once I heard what the answer was, I though about it and it makes perfect sense now based on what we already know about the interior of the craft told to us.

Please post your guesses/answers here in this thread.

8)

Here's what I am sure Bob told you " Barry Turned the emitter to stop the reaction correct ?? I will await your answer...

The reason I know this I talked to Bob and asked him a simple question that he deemed to be one of the greatest question never asked.. I asked Bob int her tuned tube and gaseous target that antimatter(AntiHydrogen) Collides with Hydrogen what material is the came and the tuned tube and region of the gaseous target made up of? remember this tiny containment device can hold the equivalent to 20 hydrogen bombs yet not explode ??

That material would have to be something far beyond anything imaginable yet Bob and Barry were playing games with the emitter torn out of the Sport Model. So the drawings are inaccurate as well . Bob has stated on recent video that the Sport model that he worked on only ever had 2 emitters which is exactly opposite of what he told when old gene Huff sat next to him and coached him thru there story..

So lets take a look at Bob lazar talking about the Sport Model having only 2 emitters aka Gravity Amplifiers which also leads to another question. Bob will tell you int this video that these emitters were the size of 55 gallon drums. Well if one was removed why did he have to lean his half torso down in the bottom of the craft when he could have simply gone thru where the amplifier was taken from. He claims it had been removed before he became part of the project.

Years ago when coached by Huff the Emitter gravity Amplifier was taken from another craftone of the 9 and that's how Bob theorized they all had the same power plants and I'm going to prove this below. How could bobs memory be so bad ?? I think I know why..

I would star at about 10 minutes of this video and you can hear Bob talk about the so called Pipe which went to the the Gravity Amplifier bend which means the following in the lab they had the gravity amplifier taken from the Sprt Model  which Bob states after 13:30 "This flew with 2 amplifiers this was removed." The fact that the amplifier was operational in the lab is laughable guys this means it was putting off Bobs so called gravity wave and should had pushed everything away its ridiculous and also like I sia she completely contradicts himself from what he said in the beginning of this story Now the Sport Model was Missing a Gravity Amplifier when it was tested.. I would sure love to know how he could make this mistake.

LINK PLEASE WATCH the COntradictions!!
https://youtu.be/_IMUG9ZhohM (https://youtu.be/_IMUG9ZhohM)

I have show a major person on here the email between myself and Bob as well about barry moving the emitter to stop the so called Annihilation but what baffles me is simple what powers the protons to be bombarded agianstthe E115 slice ?? Wheres that happen and how ? Shutting down the annihilation by moving the emitter is ridiculous considering Bob claims one was missing.......

Quote from: bigpappy51 on May 22, 2019, 03:47:18 AM
Here's what I am sure Bob told you " Barry Turned the emitter to stop the reaction correct ?? I will await your answer...

No he did not mention Barry what Bob said the other day is there are several ways to shut down the reactor, but the way they most commonly used in the lab was - turn one of of the emitters to an 80 degree angle and the reactor shuts itself down.

Quote from: A51Watcher on May 22, 2019, 04:50:17 AM
No he did not mention Barry what Bob said the other day is there are several ways to shut down the reactor, but the way they most commonly used in the lab was - turn one of of the emitters to an 80 degree angle and the reactor shuts itself down.

I had this conversation with Bob lazar on August 14 , 2018. Im going to post it typically I wouldnt do this . Anothewr major pwerson on here knows about these emails.. The more technical I got Bob shut down he did however compliment me on questuions he had never been asked before so let me show Bobs response .


Hello *****,

We knew of one way to power down the reactor - but there are almost certainly others.
Rotating an emitter on it axis shuts the reactor off immediately. We did this by hand and I'm sure this is not the normal power-down sequence. It seems to be more of a fault sensing shutdown as there should be no reason for the cylindrical emitter to ever rotate in that fashion. Barry, my co-worker, discovered this long before I arrived on the project.
I don't recall ever mentioning (or anyone ever asking) about the shutdown procedure, so this might be the first time I've described it.
The reactor itself also was clearly load sensing, adjusting its power level depending on the emitter configuration.
How this was sensed (where the feedback loop was and how it functioned) was never found during my time there.
- Bob
United Nuclear Scientific
205 E. Grand River Rd.
Box 523
Laingsburg, MI. 48848
517-919-6019

Quote from: bigpappy51 on May 22, 2019, 04:12:49 AM
The reason I know this I talked to Bob and asked him a simple question that he deemed to be one of the greatest question never asked.. I asked Bob int her tuned tube and gaseous target that antimatter(AntiHydrogen) Collides with Hydrogen what material is the came and the tuned tube and region of the gaseous target made up of?

"I asked Bob int her tuned tube" Could you retype this please? I do not know what you mean.
Also "Hydrogen what material is the came and the tuned tube" is baffling and needs a retype.


remember this tiny containment device can hold the equivalent to 20 hydrogen bombs yet not explode ??

That material would have to be something far beyond anything imaginable

Yes it would

yet Bob and Barry were playing games with the emitter torn out of the Sport Model.

Yes but the emitter is not explosive like the reactor so your comparison makes no sense.

So the drawings are inaccurate as well . Bob has stated on recent video that the Sport model that he worked on only ever had 2 emitters which is exactly opposite of what he told when old gene Huff sat next to him and coached him thru there story..

Well obviously he was referring to the original configuration of the craft, not it's current state in the lab.

So lets take a look at Bob lazar talking about the Sport Model having only 2 emitters aka Gravity Amplifiers which also leads to another question. Bob will tell you int this video that these emitters were the size of 55 gallon drums. Well if one was removed why did he have to lean his half torso down in the bottom of the craft when he could have simply gone thru where the amplifier was taken from. He claims it had been removed before he became part of the project.


I think you are confusing emitters with amplifiers. they are not aka as you stated. They are 2 different components. The test where he saw the sports model lift up a short ways then sit back down could easily be accomplished with only 1 amplifier let alone 2.

Years ago when coached by Huff the Emitter gravity Amplifier was taken from another craftone of the 9 and that's how Bob theorized they all had the same power plants and I'm going to prove this below. How could bobs memory be so bad ?? I think I know why..

YYou are assuming there would be a hole in the floor to look through. Do we know this to be fact?

I would star at about 10 minutes of this video and you can hear Bob talk about the so called Pipe which went to the the Gravity Amplifier bend which means the following in the lab they had the gravity amplifier taken from the Sprt Model  which Bob states after 13:30 "This flew with 2 amplifiers this was removed." The fact that the amplifier was operational in the lab is laughable guys this means it was putting off Bobs so called gravity wave and should had pushed everything away its ridiculous and also like I sia she completely contradicts himself from what he said in the beginning of this story Now the Sport Model was Missing a Gravity Amplifier when it was tested.. I would sure love to know how he could make this mistake.

See above. I'm sure he would explain your mistaken assumptions if you would ask nicely. He is a very approachable nice person if you are polite and ask nicely.

LINK PLEASE WATCH the COntradictions!!
https://youtu.be/_IMUG9ZhohM (https://youtu.be/_IMUG9ZhohM)

I have show a major person on here the email between myself and Bob as well about barry moving the emitter to stop the so called Annihilation but what baffles me is simple what powers the protons to be bombarded agianstthe E115 slice ?? Wheres that happen and how ? Shutting down the annihilation by moving the emitter is ridiculous considering Bob claims one was missing.......

Being baffled by this technology is a common reaction by primitives like ourselves. I'm sure your perceived contradictions are mistaken and easily explained.

Quote from: bigpappy51 on May 22, 2019, 05:16:37 AM
I had this conversation with Bob lazar on August 14 , 2018. Im going to post it typically I wouldnt do this . Anothewr major pwerson on here knows about these emails.. The more technical I got Bob shut down he did however compliment me on questuions he had never been asked before so let me show Bobs response .


Hello *****,

We knew of one way to power down the reactor - but there are almost certainly others.
Rotating an emitter on it axis shuts the reactor off immediately. We did this by hand and I'm sure this is not the normal power-down sequence. It seems to be more of a fault sensing shutdown as there should be no reason for the cylindrical emitter to ever rotate in that fashion. Barry, my co-worker, discovered this long before I arrived on the project.
I don't recall ever mentioning (or anyone ever asking) about the shutdown procedure, so this might be the first time I've described it.
The reactor itself also was clearly load sensing, adjusting its power level depending on the emitter configuration.
How this was sensed (where the feedback loop was and how it functioned) was never found during my time there.
- Bob
United Nuclear Scientific
205 E. Grand River Rd.
Box 523
Laingsburg, MI. 48848
517-919-6019

He did not mention rotating it on it's axis to me, just said turning it, so that is a new detail thanks for that.

If you look at the diagrams you can see the emitters are in the cabin compartment and the amplifiers are in the lower level. I think that's where your confusion is.


eta: And Btw, just because you have gravity amplifier powered up in the lab does not mean it is running full blast so would not be blasting stuff off the bench.

More mistaken assumptions.

And BTW, before I forget Bob replied to a query if the briefing documents had anything to say about the origin of the craft.

He said "Yes most of them were recovered from archaeological sites dated to 10,000 years old."  :o

Being baffled is one thing but telling 2 completely different accounts of where the gravity amplifier came from to mae makes no sense at all. We know from Bobs own words and trascrips he was only allegedly at the S4 location 6 times total the W2 he claims is real reflects one weeks pay. So how could he possibly have made such errors if hes so intelligent. Again A51 watcher I am in no way trying to insult you or what you saw.

To me his entire story makes no sense and I can break it down from the year prior to Huff and Lazar watching John lear and KNapp "On The Record" talking about UFOs and Area51 and Dulce cattle mutilations etc. Bobs own transcripts state thathe and Huff consistently watched the show and could not believe the attention Lear was getting.

I believe its very possible looking at the evidence lear was set up by a false story written by Huff and Lazar and that's why gene was always by Bobs side so the story wouldn't get so mangled as it has. Now he has George Knapp with him if bob has nothing to hid I certainly don't understand why he wont take crown questions. Although the answer may lie within the Lil AleInn 1993 questions when Bob was asked about his professors at MIT and CalTech and blatantly lied to everyone this is a fact. He doesn't like being caught off guard and I have been hearing alot about Huff through inside connections as to what the truth is but Im going to keep that to myself until maybe Huff comes forward.

Bob lazar applies fro a job at Area51 somewhere around November of 1988 a Top Secret Clearance which one must have just to get on a JANET Flight takes 535 days total that's just a Top Secret Bob claims Majestic Clearance 38 levels above TS so I cant imagine. I do know this much because of the industry Im in there are no shortcuts when it comes to background checks none.

I can sit here and weigh the pros and cons and there are hardly any pros at all if any. Its my right an opinion that Bob Lazar and gene Huff carefully constructed this story told Lear and it blew out of control. The Billy Meier Craftis an identical match to the Sport Model do you believe Meiers?
The Demon Core on Display at Los Alamos looks identical to the lazar so called Reactor down to the tuned tube and yes Bob worked at Los alamos about a year. There just happens to be an S4 at The Tonopah Test Range which is still under the control of the nellis tests and training ranges and one of Bobs best friend worked at Tonopah another coincidence so man y coincidences that in 1989 people would have no clue of none.

The May 1989 Scientific American Magazine talks about the island of stability being at E114 yet another coincidence. and I can go on and on and on. Jerry Freeman walks rightonto Papoose Lake takes photos and behind him should be the S4 facility and there is nothing at all probably do to the plutonium contamination that are monitored with Alpha Probes and another coincidence Bob rebuilt Alpha Probes for the test site . Why would such a talented Physicist be building Alpha Probes with John Lear ? Something anyone could do.

Let's take a look at "Project 57" Papoose Lake and see the contamination and just how dangerous it was to be at Papoose lake I think Jerry Freeman found out it lead to his early death.

Please read:

http://www.area51specialprojects.com/area51timeline.html?iact=rc&uact=3&dur=296&page=1&start=0&ndsp=34&ved=0ahUKEwj1oMirj-XJAhUGcQ8KHSmLCGUQrQMIITAB (http://www.area51specialprojects.com/area51timeline.html?iact=rc&uact=3&dur=296&page=1&start=0&ndsp=34&ved=0ahUKEwj1oMirj-XJAhUGcQ8KHSmLCGUQrQMIITAB)

Quote from: A51Watcher on May 22, 2019, 05:28:20 AM

And BTW, before I forget Bob replied to a query if the briefing documents had anything to say about the origin of the craft.

He said "Yes most of them were recovered from archaeological sites dated to 10,000 years old."  :o

Yea sounds like he took that from Corey Goode.. An archaeological dig ok I heard him state this recently never before.

Quote from: A51Watcher on May 22, 2019, 05:22:47 AM

He did not mention rotating it on it's axis to me, just said turning it, so that is a new detail thanks for that.

If you look at the diagrams you can see the emitters are in the cabin compartment and the amplifiers are in the lower level. I think that's where your confusion is.


eta: And Btw, just because you have gravity amplifier powered up in the lab does not mean it is running full blast so would not be blasting stuff off the bench.

More mistaken assumptions.

How do you know its not running full blast on the bench how are they controlling the energy no dials nothing. Bob does claim that the top part of the craft was the guidance system but thats in the craft ?? How do you control a total annihilation reaction have you ever asked a real physicist these questions before ?

So is there a low setting and a high setting better yet when whatever test flies the craft with the 2 gravity amplifiers on how do they possibly control the craft why use the Sport Model that's missing an Amplifier ? Tell me how they controlled the amount of power which Bob seems to have no answer for to the gravity amplifiers ? Bob has always maintained when the E115 was put in the tube it instantaneously would start which to me makes zero sense no on off ?? You are dealing with 20 hydrogen bombs according to Lazar and Lear in a tuned tube in to a vacuum below? How does this material withstand the incredible explosive power this is not possible the science is not possible.

If true I find it hard to believe that an annihilation reaction in a vacuum is turned off by something after the reaction meaning the turning of the gravity amplifiers that makes no sense at all. And again another coincidence Bob loves particle accelerators its amazing that Aliens from Zeta reticuli fly here using a particle accelerator that is very primitive yet another coincidence Bob and the particle accelerators. The ETs just happen to use one to pull time and space towards them without sucking up anything local...

Im going to post some major contradictions below By Bob Lazar himself who claims: "The gravity amplifiers always runs at 100%"

Lazar contradicts himself again Lets look at what he said about the Omicron Configuration? My question is who ever tested this craft to find out the truth about Delta Configuration and how do they do so with a craft that only has 2 Amplifiers remember Bob stated in the video above with Corbel the one amplifier had been ripped out of the Sport Model now..

KVEG Radio Interview: December 28th 1989

Caller:

You were talking about the low- and high-speed modes and the control factors in there. Can you describe those modes and what the ship looks like each time it is going through those modes?

Lazar:

The low-speed mode — and I REALLY wish I could remember what they call these, but I can't, as I can't remember the frequency of the wave — The low-speed mode: The craft is very vulnerable; it bobs around. And it's sitting on a weak gravitational field, sitting on three gravity waves. And it just bounces around. And it can focus the waves behind it and keep falling forward and hobble around at low speed.

March, April 1990 (approximate time of interviews): "Alien Contact" by Timothy Good.

....The craft does not create an "antigravity" field, as some have surmised. "It's a gravitational field that's out of phase with the current one," Lazar explained in a 1989 radio interview. "It's the same gravitational wave. The phases vary from 180 degrees to zero...in a longitudinal propagation."

In the first mode of travel – around the surface of a planet – they essentially balance on the gravitational field that the generators put out, and they ride a "wave", like a cork does in the ocean. In that mode they're very unstable and are affected by the weather...

"How close do you think you have to get before time distortion takes place?" I asked. "It's tough to say, because it depends on the configuration of the craft. If the craft is hovering in the air, and the gravity amplifiers are focused down to the ground and it's standing on its gravity wave, you would have to get into that focused area..."

September 22, 1990: "UFOs and the Alien Presence" by Michael Lindemann.

Lazar:

I don't know if I mentioned it before, but the amplifiers always run at 100%. They are always outputting a maximum gravity wave, and that wave is phase-shifted from zero to 180 degrees. That's essentially the attraction and repulsion, and it's normally at a null setting somewhere in between. It's a very straight-forward system. It looks more like a coal fired engine than very hi-tech.

Mid 1991: "The Lazar Tape", 40 minute VHS videotape

Now when a disk travels near another source of gravity, such as a planet or moon, it doesn't use the same mode of travel that we learned about in our science lesson. When a disk is near another source of gravity, like Earth, the Gravity A wave which propagates outward from the disk is phase-shifted into the Gravity B wave which propagates outward from the Earth, and this creates lift. The gravity amplifiers of the disk can be focused independently and they are pulsed and do not stay on continuously.

When all three of these amplifiers are being used for travel, they are in the delta configuration, and when only one is being used for travel it is in the omicron configuration.

May 1, 1993: "Bob Lazar at The Ultimate UFO Seminar" at Rachel, Nevada

Question:

Was the local means of propulsion the same as this across-space distances? What was the local means of propulsion?

Lazar:

The local means of propulsion is essentially them balancing on a out of phase gravity wave, and it's not as stable as you would think. When the craft took off, it wobbled to some degree. I mean a modern day Hawker Harrier or something along those lines of vertical takeoff craft is much more stable than then in the omicron configuration, which is that mode of travel. The delta configuration is where they use the three amplifiers. Those are the only two methods I know about for moving the craft.

Question:

(About using the gravity amplifiers to lift things)

Lazar:

Any of the three gravity amplifiers could do that, could lift something off the ground, or for that matter compact it into the ground. That's not a problem, because the craft can operate on one amplifier, in omicron mode, hovering. That would leave the other three (sic) amplifiers free to do anything...

April, 1994, Omni Magazine

Per Lazar:

"The craft operated in two modes – omicron and delta, which indicated how many gravity amplifiers were in use. In the omicron configuration, only one amplifier was used; the other two were swung out of the way and tucked inside the disc. In omicron mode, the crafts can essentially rise and hover but do little else."

Analysis:
This item is not so much a flaw, but rather a very pronounced contradiction in Lazar's story. If you read the background carefully, there are two areas that are inconsistent. And while this is a part of his story we certainly can't check for accuracy, we can check for consistency. Notice that in the earliest interviews, when the details should have been freshest in his mind, he clearly refers to the craft using all three gravity amplifiers when in omicron mode. Then, over time, the story changes. He then says the craft uses only one amplifier. We'll ignore the problems of balancing on something that isn't under the exact center of the disc. Finally, over 4 years after the fact, he adds that not only do the craft use only one amplifier to hover, the other two fold up out of the way. Quite a change from his first rendition.

The other area has to do with the operation of the gravity amplifiers. In September of 1990, he tells Lindemann, "...I don't know if I mentioned it before, but the amplifiers always run at 100%. They are always outputting a maximum gravity wave..."

The next year, in Lazar's own tape, he says, referring to the amplifiers, "...they are pulsed and do not stay on continuously." Well, either they do or they don't. Which Lazar is one to believe?

This is pretty basic stuff, or at least should be to an ex-saucer mechanic. It's very disturbing that his story has changed in this rather subtle detail.

Possible Explanations:
1. Lazar fabricated the whole story and it naturally mutated slightly with time.
2. Lazar was at S-4 but really didn't understand how the discs operate and is giving us his "best guess."
3. Lazar is relating a story he heard from someone else and is "filling in the blanks."

Lazar mouth is his own worst enemy that's why he used to have gene Huff with him baby sitting him thru every interview.

Wow dude, you must have read my mind.

Your last couple of posts look like you have taken a deep breath and counted to 10 before composing them.

That's a big change from from your previous posts in this thread and frankly most of your posts on this forum.

Your frequent typos and snarky unsupported allegations combined with a an inability to stay on topic constantly shifting subjects make it appear you are hyperventilating bad and about to have a coronary.

Stick with the approach used in your last few posts and you will do fine.

Snarky comments like his ol buddy Gene to coach him have no basis in fact and should be avoided.

Saying you suspect he was coached by Gene is much more acceptable and can be debated.


So if Gene saw John's appearance on George's 'On The record' appearance and was jealous, how did he manage to get gravity propulsion craft to appear for John and myself when and where he said they would be?

Of all the pros and cons you mention, that is the most important one, the appearance of gravity propulsion before our very eyes.


If you emailed Bob in your usual snarky accusatory tone full of typos about to have a coronary, it is no wonder Bob started shutting down on you.

Chill out and try to present your case in a cogent manner.

And if you were the first to ask Bob about the force field, good for you I will award you a boy scout medal for it. Feel better now?

And what has Corey Good had to say about Archaeology sites and UFOs?

Does he have any supporting evidence?



 

Quote from: A51Watcher on May 22, 2019, 07:06:55 AM
Wow dude, you must have read my mind.

Your last couple of posts look like you have taken a deep breath and counted to 10 before composing them.

That's a big change from from your previous posts in this thread and frankly most of your posts on this forum.

Your frequent typos and snarky unsupported allegations combined with a an inability to stay on topic constantly shifting subjects make it appear you are hyperventilating bad and about to have a coronary.

Stick with the approach used in your last few posts and you will do fine.

Snarky comments like his ol buddy Gene to coach him have no basis in fact and should be avoided.

Saying you suspect he was coached by Gene is much more acceptable and can be debated.


So if Gene saw John's appearance on George's 'On The record' appearance and was jealous, how did he manage to get gravity propulsion craft to appear for John and myself when and where he said they would be?

Of all the pros and cons you mention, that is the most important one, the appearance of gravity propulsion before our very eyes.


If you emailed Bob in your usual snarky accusatory tone full of typos about to have a coronary, it is no wonder Bob started shutting down on you.

Chill out and try to present your case in a cogent manner.

And if you were the first to ask Bob about the force field, good for you I will award you a boy scout medal for it. Feel better now?

And what has Corey Good had to say about Archaeology sites and UFOs?

Does he have any supporting evidence?

You are correct first off I have been sick for the past month with several illnesses so it make look like i'm having a coronary and jumping around and for that I hope everyone understands. Forgive me for the typos as well when using my phone the autocorrect doesn't seem to correct anything again I have been ill for a month now I sometimes wonder if we have all been poisoned.

I didn't say Gene and Bob were jealous of John lear. If you go to Bob Lazar's original BobLazarDOTcom which is online. You Can read Bobs transcripts and I found it very strange how they watched John for at least one year On The Record and then Gene approaches him to trade a real estate appraisal for UFO tape copies. One of those tapes as you know and I can prove was The Billy Meier tapes. In those Billy Meier tapes for those who don't know was the beam Ship that is in appearance identical to the Sport Model Bob showed. Except for the ETs are totally different.

Im trying to show a number of alleged coincidences that are not actually coincidences. A51Watcher there is no doubt in my mind that you and others saw things in the skies above Area51 that you cant explain this was going on for some time after Bob came out you would think they would have stopped all saucer programs once you and others were camped out on Freedom Ridge. There are other explanations.

The video of lazar and Huff that's so famous is a stationary light. You can clearly hear Gene Huff walk over to the camera bump the camera and then says "Did you see that?" Lazar replies No I didn't Huff replies "It went zoom zoom" That particular incident was what made me start to think hold on a minute hear they are all watching this craft and Huff is the only one that sees it go he estimates 30 miles across the sky and back made no sense. Lazar and company should had seen this happen but they didn't and once again we can go over the video you can clearly hear him walk to the camera bump it those old mics were super sensitive as well.

I also find the falling out between Gene and Lazar suspicious and the comments made atlears Birthday party. As far as calling Gene Bobs buddy I meant no offense by that he had referred to him as his buddy and Knapp had referred to Huff as his buddy in interviews as well. I think what I am going to do is put together a list of all the coincidences that we have when it comes to lazar and his story and maybe we can go over them one ata time I will offer this. As far as your sighting in the deserts I'm not going to go along with the theory of Tom Mahood who claims it was a Proton beam weapon. At the same time because there is no S4 at Papoose Lake and Bob did not have the degrees and many other claims he he can't prove I have to say I don't believe Bob Lazar.

I do believe that Bob Lazar and Gene Huff wrote this story as I stated they watched lear saw the attention and though they could cash in. Which is what Lazar is doing right now. I believe that they used John Lear as a conduit to get the story out and because Bob lazar talked about a fictitious place and a fictitious story he cant be arrested. Bob never would have had the time to get the TS clearance approved to go to Groom Lake impossible you must have a Top Secret Clearance to go to Groom this is a fact ask any member of the RoadRunners International as I have.

Yes Corey Goode has been talking about Archaeological UFO sites in Antarctica Linda Howe has been doing the same using a fake navy SEAL. I will ask you I don't recall Lazar saying years ago these 9 discs were the result of an archaeological dig have you ? You would think we would have one whistleblower from the digs? Or one whistleblower from S4 by now but nothing we had what Dan Burisch..

A51Watcher I do enjoy our conversations it makes life interesting I am not trying to be a smart A$$ I wish I could had been there to see what you had seen at Groom.

Area51Watcher I quote " If you emailed Bob in your usual snarky accusatory tone full of typos about to have a coronary, it is no wonder Bob started shutting down on you."

You couldn't be more wrong I was very professional he wouldn't had answered me if I had not been. My questions are scientific in nature My main question was what the material was that the reactor and tuned tube was made of to be able to maintain a total annihilation reaction the equivalent of 20 Hydrogen bombs. What Possible material could hold this reaction I had also stated that to me the Element 115 was not as important as this material. I never got "snarky" with Lazar the science doesn't make sense and was looking for some answers that may.

You don't know for sure that you saw an anti gravity vehicle a modern drone would be one answer for what you may have seen. You can not prove that what you saw was an alien Zeta Reticuli Spacecraft.

A modern drone show imagine what you would had thought if you had seen this technology from what 20 miles away at Area51 in 1989 ? You would had thought OMG its flying saucers !!! They were making Drones and testing drones long time ago far before the modern tech we can buy over the counter.

https://youtu.be/u6uIRr4CWQY
(https://youtu.be/u6uIRr4CWQY)

Quote from: bigpappy51 on May 22, 2019, 04:26:33 PM
You are correct first off I have been sick for the past month with several illnesses so it make look like i'm having a coronary and jumping around and for that I hope everyone understands. Forgive me for the typos as well when using my phone the autocorrect doesn't seem to correct anything again I have been ill for a month now I sometimes wonder if we have all been poisoned.

I didn't say Gene and Bob were jealous of John lear. If you go to Bob Lazar's original BobLazarDOTcom which is online. You Can read Bobs transcripts and I found it very strange how they watched John for at least one year On The Record and then Gene approaches him to trade a real estate appraisal for UFO tape copies. One of those tapes as you know and I can prove was The Billy Meier tapes. In those Billy Meier tapes for those who don't know was the beam Ship that is in appearance identical to the Sport Model Bob showed. Except for the ETs are totally different.


Bob himself mentioned in the original broadcast the ship he worked on looked almost identical to that swiss farmer guy (he couldn't remember his name. Look at my Avatar. It too looks similar to one of the Meier craft. Pure coincidence. Most saucers throughout the years are depicted as that shape.

Im trying to show a number of alleged coincidences that are not actually coincidences. A51Watcher there is no doubt in my mind that you and others saw things in the skies above Area51 that you cant explain this was going on for some time after Bob came out you would think they would have stopped all saucer programs once you and others were camped out on Freedom Ridge. There are other explanations.
Yes as I drove out there I thought they would have cancelled the test as well, but surprise! From what I can tell they continued until 1993. Apparently they considered testing a top priority and tried to detain and confiscate any recording equipment until their new location was ready.

The video of lazar and Huff that's so famous is a stationary light. You can clearly hear Gene Huff walk over to the camera bump the camera and then says "Did you see that?" Lazar replies No I didn't Huff replies "It went zoom zoom" That particular incident was what made me start to think hold on a minute hear they are all watching this craft and Huff is the only one that sees it go he estimates 30 miles across the sky and back made no sense. Lazar and company should had seen this happen but they didn't and once again we can go over the video you can clearly hear him walk to the camera bump it those old mics were super sensitive as well.

Actually it has been proven NOT to be a stationary light and your contention that Gene kicking it caused the motion is false. Remember the video I showed you of my footage that detects and corrects any camera movement? There were several places in the film that showed when I did move the camera. We ran that same process on Bob's footage and it showed -zero- camera movement.

I also find the falling out between Gene and Lazar suspicious and the comments made atlears Birthday party.
Gene denies those alleged comments
No falling out between them I am aware of. Gene was with Bob at the Arizona conference a few years ago.

As far as calling Gene Bobs buddy I meant no offense by that he had referred to him as his buddy and Knapp had referred to Huff as his buddy in interviews as well.

Yes they were and continue to be buddies.

I think what I am going to do is put together a list of all the coincidences that we have when it comes to lazar and his story and maybe we can go over them one ata time I will offer this. As far as your sighting in the deserts I'm not going to go along with the theory of Tom Mahood who claims it was a Proton beam weapon. At the same time because there is no S4 at Papoose Lake and Bob did not have the degrees and many other claims he he can't prove I have to say I don't believe Bob Lazar.

I do believe that Bob Lazar and Gene Huff wrote this story as I stated they watched lear saw the attention and though they could cash in. Which is what Lazar is doing right now.

Incorrect. It is publicly stated that Bob is receiving zero proceeds from this film, and never has made any money from it.


I believe that they used John Lear as a conduit to get the story out and because Bob lazar talked about a fictitious place and a fictitious story he cant be arrested. Bob never would have had the time to get the TS clearance approved to go to Groom Lake impossible you must have a Top Secret Clearance to go to Groom this is a fact ask any member of the RoadRunners International as I have.

You must be forgetting that it has been confirmed that Bob worked at Los Alamos with a TS clearance before getting a job at S4.

Yes Corey Goode has been talking about Archaeological UFO sites in Antarctica Linda Howe has been doing the same using a fake navy SEAL. I will ask you I don't recall Lazar saying years ago these 9 discs were the result of an archaeological dig have you ? You would think we would have one whistleblower from the digs? Or one whistleblower from S4 by now but nothing we had what Dan Burisch..

You might think so but we don't so the point is moot.

A51Watcher I do enjoy our conversations it makes life interesting I am not trying to be a smart A$$ I wish I could had been there to see what you had seen at Groom.

Quote from: bigpappy51 on May 22, 2019, 05:07:01 PM
Area51Watcher I quote " If you emailed Bob in your usual snarky accusatory tone full of typos about to have a coronary, it is no wonder Bob started shutting down on you."

You couldn't be more wrong I was very professional he wouldn't had answered me if I had not been. My questions are scientific in nature My main question was what the material was that the reactor and tuned tube was made of to be able to maintain a total annihilation reaction the equivalent of 20 Hydrogen bombs. What Possible material could hold this reaction I had also stated that to me the Element 115 was not as important as this material. I never got "snarky" with Lazar the science doesn't make sense and was looking for some answers that may.
Well thats good, try to maintain the same behaiviour around here.
You don't know for sure that you saw an anti gravity vehicle a modern drone would be one answer for what you may have seen. You can not prove that what you saw was an alien Zeta Reticuli Spacecraft.

Absolutely wrong. Our specialized processing can detect whether a craft is powered by gravity propulsion technology. Peggy members are well aware of this process. In fact a few months ago I saw a video from that adventures with Christian guy from Area 51 that I was sure was alien craft because it's glittering appearance looked just like Bob's and mine footage. I had my team process it and zero gravity propulsion detected. Had me fooled though.

A modern drone show imagine what you would had thought if you had seen this technology from what 20 miles away at Area51 in 1989 ? You would had thought OMG its flying saucers !!! They were making Drones and testing drones long time ago far before the modern tech we can buy over the counter.

I was not 20 miles away. I was 2 miles away at most.
When the craft landed they were 1/4 mile away. I got a close look at them.

Next time I see Bob I will ask him about the amplifiers always being at 100%.

Seemingly doesn't make sense to us primitives however the amplifier in my room is always at a 100% and only gains volume when I boost the preamp gain.

I am sure we can find a reasonable answer.

Not that it makes any difference, but I spoke to him in person, not by email.

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Back when I helped Zorgon start this forum, all I had was my videotape of footage I took at Area 51.

I saw 2 glows behind the Groom mountain range, a large one coming from Groom lake, and a smaller one coming from S4.

When the craft were done testing that night, they returned to the smaller glow of S4 and within a few minutes that glow turned off.

I started posting my footage here on the forum and gradually one by one, professional image processors from around the world came to the forum to examine my footage, thanks to members here who alerted these guys on other forums that they should come take a look.

Without exception, they all ended up PMing me to say DUDE! You captured a real UFO here!

What proves they were gravity propulsion craft was a process called shades of black. This process has been proven to be scientifically valid by about a dozen members here.

The most striking thing it shows is the gravity clouds under the craft.

No other type of craft shows this amazing result.

Here is a cammo dude driving past me on mailbox road. Near the end of the clip we see one of the craft in the sky.

Upon processing this image of the craft we see the gravity clouds underneath the craft and massive tight energy rings in the center of the craft.

No other type of craft produce these results.

http://www.image-analysis-team.com/video/PR05Deuem01.mp4

Quote from: A51Watcher on May 22, 2019, 10:34:41 PM
Absolutely wrong. Our specialized processing can detect whether a craft is powered by gravity propulsion technology. Peggy members are well aware of this process.

Well aware of the claims about the processing would be more correct. :)

Quote from: ArMaP on May 23, 2019, 01:14:32 AM
Well aware of the claims about the processing would be more correct. :)

Well if you want to split hairs (which you always do)

well aware of the interpretation of the results would be more correct.

So I looked up Cory Goode and his name has no relevance to this discussion.

He has no information relating to briefing documents at S4.

Functioning Flying Saucers recovered from archaeological sites dated to 10,000 years old gives a new meaning to ancient aliens.


Those craft must have a lifetime warranty.  ;)

Quote from: A51Watcher on May 23, 2019, 05:48:26 AM
Those craft must have a lifetime warranty.  ;)

Then WHY do so many CRASH these days?

Quote from: zorgon on May 23, 2019, 10:59:41 PM
Then WHY do so many CRASH these days?

I don't think that many do crash these days.

Now man made ones that's a different story.

There have beeen a few quite detailed discussions about the radiation effects that may have effected Papoose lake...

in one we tried to establish from various sources found online as to how various Nukes that occurred around NTS / Around or close to Area 51.. as to how they may have radiated land at or close to Papoose..

and if I recall .... it was not really greatly clear to suggest that Papoose Lake area would have remained a real radiation threat.. at least when radiation effects from Bombs etc that were tested may had only been severe within maybe a 2 mile radius...

As far as I am aware ... No Nukes were actually claimed to have been detonated at Papoose...

but it has been claimed in the past when winds blow in its or certain directions that places at various distances have been effected to some degree.... such as St Georges town / city for eg that has had a history of Radiation effects on its Population from the nukes that took place back when they did the main testing period at the NTS..

but just how long and how bad it lasted... I am unsure... so for eg if we get winds today that carry dust particles from the NTS to St Georges or any other locations....  Is it still a thread today ?

OR if the wind blows to Area 51 Groom Lake  or Papoose .... how is that likely to effect any one today or back when Jerry was in that area..


Its suggested that certain radiations will last years and no doubt radiated dust must be all over Parts of Nevada...

but are people still being effected today... when some radiation may be still thought of being VERY long lasting and still of a certain strength...

Have persons who visit that area now become contaminated..

Just how much is one likely to be effeced if they were at Papoose or on Groom Lake Rd or nearby HW 375 ?


http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=3145.0

Quote from: bigpappy51 on May 22, 2019, 05:43:20 AM


The May 1989 Scientific American Magazine talks about the island of stability being at E114 yet another coincidence. and I can go on and on and on. Jerry Freeman walks rightonto Papoose Lake takes photos and behind him should be the S4 facility and there is nothing at all probably do to the plutonium contamination that are monitored with Alpha Probes and another coincidence Bob rebuilt Alpha Probes for the test site . Why would such a talented Physicist be building Alpha Probes with John Lear ? Something anyone could do.

Let's take a look at "Project 57" Papoose Lake and see the contamination and just how dangerous it was to be at Papoose lake I think Jerry Freeman found out it lead to his early death.

Please read:

http://www.area51specialprojects.com/area51timeline.html?iact=rc&uact=3&dur=296&page=1&start=0&ndsp=34&ved=0ahUKEwj1oMirj-XJAhUGcQ8KHSmLCGUQrQMIITAB (http://www.area51specialprojects.com/area51timeline.html?iact=rc&uact=3&dur=296&page=1&start=0&ndsp=34&ved=0ahUKEwj1oMirj-XJAhUGcQ8KHSmLCGUQrQMIITAB)

I found 3 different maps when doing a search for Jerry Freeman...

one suggests that he walked along the western side of Papoose lake and may have been within a mile from S4 if it exists... that would have been across the dry lake bed on the eastern side..

Other maps suggest that Jerry only reached the South side of papoose lake..

So I m not sure that we have a clear or certain fact on where he actually visited..

Two maps are from Alien scientist...



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Area51Watcher stated "Seemingly doesn't make sense to us primitives however the amplifier in my room is always at a 100% and only gains volume when I boost the preamp gain."

You a guitar player? If so I am to and can totally relate to what you just said from a guitar amp point of view.
Also I want to make something clear I did not notice your new videos before commenting how I missed those I don't know.
Whatever you are filming are using a tripod ?

Did you add the mountains in the background ?

can you please post the raw footage sound and all?

I remember your videos when they were on YouTube I must say if that's not you bouncing the camera around what possibly could fly something around like that so close to the mountain range its all over the place at incredible speeds. Now don't take this the wrong way but how do we know this is not sometype of Holographic projection technology ?

I just can't imagine for a second that whatever that is if its a real craft is in control its rather amazing how it darts all over the place . I cant imagine being there that's completely insane .

Also best estimate how far away were you from whatever it is you are filming A51Watcher ?

Quote from: bigpappy51 on May 26, 2019, 10:42:18 PM
Area51Watcher stated "Seemingly doesn't make sense to us primitives however the amplifier in my room is always at a 100% and only gains volume when I boost the preamp gain."

You a guitar player? If so I am to and can totally relate to what you just said from a guitar amp point of view.

Yeah I always wanted to play like Hendrix but only managed to master playing like Gilmour.

Also I want to make something clear I did not notice your new videos before commenting how I missed those I don't know.
Whatever you are filming are using a tripod ?

No I was using the top of the car to steady the cam and sometimes a boulder. That's why occasionally you see you the process that detects and eliminates camera movement flash white lines on the sides or top of the screen. That means it has detected movement in that direction and is correcting it. As you can see the movement it detected is very occasional and nowhere near enough to cause all the movement we see.   

Did you add the mountains in the background ?

Yes, I answered you that question in a previous post.

can you please post the raw footage sound and all?

Here's a comparison video of my footage and Bob's -

http://www.image-analysis-team.com/video/PR03lazaragentcompare.mp4

I remember your videos when they were on YouTube I must say if that's not you bouncing the camera around what possibly could fly something around like that so close to the mountain range its all over the place at incredible speeds. Now don't take this the wrong way but how do we know this is not sometype of Holographic projection technology ?

Because they moved around behind hills that I could still see and also landed on the ground within a 1/4 mile of me.

I just can't imagine for a second that whatever that is if its a real craft is in control its rather amazing how it darts all over the place . I cant imagine being there that's completely insane .

Also best estimate how far away were you from whatever it is you are filming A51Watcher ?

Google earth measures the distance to be 6 miles from me where they congregated most of the time before starting new maneuvers. In the video where you can see the cammo dude driving past me and then the craft in the sky above him, we put that image in a CAD program which calculated the distance of the craft to be 2000 ft from me at that point.

Thanks for your reply you have some amazing video footage there. Whatever was going on at Area 51 it must had been over you don't see anything like this in any videos these days. Norio Hayakawa has a video that blew my mind as well he has the camera on a TriPod and the craft goes straight up and down very fast and continuously is moving to the right I can probably find it on his page.

As far as guitar yes Gilmour is certainly one of my favorites the old less is more theory you know Malmsteen vs Gilmour.. Less is more Gilmour can make a person feel very emotional as where Malmsteen you don't feel that emotional trip.

Post some more videos if you could sometime.

I would need to do a recap to remind myself  on some of the description for how the reactor in the craft was suggested to work.

I think I recall that the E115 Triangle sample was said to have been placed in the reactor... but I cannot recall if somehow a particle of some sort maybe a proton, neutron or electron  is then fired from some source in the reactor set up components assemby what ever exactly that description was.... I recall we learned about where the E115 sample was placed and the sphrical part that covered it or enclosed the sample.....to then I think its suggested that somehow a particle was sent to hit the sample that changed its state maybe into E116 that then created an unstable  reaction....


When Element 115 is bombarded with protons, it becomes Element 116.  Element 116 is unstable and gives up anti-protons. 

I was watching a TV program the other day about a UK nuclear reactor Sellafield  and I thought it said that they fire Neutrons to the nuclear samples NOT Protons or electron s..... be it to a uranium or plutonium sample ...

but where they fire them from and how exactly I am not sure... I assume down some sort of tube..

but it in any way similar ro Bobs reactor on  different scale maybe or completely a different design..

I know larger Nuclear reactors hold the samples in an underground / underwater type location for cooling purposes etc.. in a very thick lead type of container..

Would Bobs craft have a type of lead like material that somehow contained the sample... maybe some advanced material that is not heavy like lead...if such a thing was possible...if for eg we now see materials like carbon being used due to its unique properties where it can be much thinner and lighter than past materials used..

Unlikly BUT who really knows what maybe possible !


http://gravitywarpdrive.com/Anti-Matter_Reactor.htm


BUT where is the Proton actually fired from ...

I see a Tube of some sort ... but where does it start from and what or where was the protons source located from...

there are two tubes shown in the photos below..

one small one that is  shown come out of the lower side and curves downwards  and one larger one that seems to appear vertically..above the sphere shape//


(http://gravitywarpdrive.com/Bob_Lazar_S4_Disc_Images/S4_Disc_Reactor_4.gif)



(http://gravitywarpdrive.com/Bob_Lazar_S4_Disc_Images/Anti-Matter_Reactor.gif)

If I recall Bob did claim that he witnessed a craft fly for a very short take off...and I have seen some images or animations that show what he claimed to see..

I was never aware until recently that its suggested that one of the amplfiers were missing when Bob went to look inside the craft...

It does appear to me on one photo or image that the amplifiers or emmitters were in the lower section of the craft and that Bob did need to go thru a seperate hatch to be able to se into the upper section ..

I think thos image shows the emitters in the lower section only...

(http://gravitywarpdrive.com/Bob_Lazar_S4_Disc_Images/Blowup_Cutaway_Sport_Model.gif)

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So is there a low setting and a high setting better yet when whatever test flies the craft with the 2 gravity amplifiers on how do they possibly control the craft why use the Sport Model that's missing an Amplifier ? Tell me how they controlled the amount of power which Bob seems to have no answer for to the gravity amplifiers ? Bob has always maintained when the E115 was put in the tube it instantaneously would start which to me makes zero sense no on off ?? You are dealing with 20 hydrogen bombs according to Lazar and Lear in a tuned tube in to a vacuum below? How does this material withstand the incredible explosive power this is not possible the science is not possible.

If true I find it hard to believe that an annihilation reaction in a vacuum is turned off by something after the reaction meaning the turning of the gravity amplifiers that makes no sense at all. And again another coincidence Bob loves particle accelerators its amazing that Aliens from Zeta reticuli fly here using a particle accelerator that is very primitive yet another coincidence Bob and the particle accelerators. The ETs just happen to use one to pull time and space towards them without sucking up anything local...

Im going to post some major contradictions below By Bob Lazar himself who claims: "The gravity amplifiers always runs at 100%

This was one of the Images that I always recall that was shown as being an animation of Bob Lazars Sports model flights test...that I thought was really very well created...if it was purely just made up and not real filmed footage..


(http://www.zamandayolculuk.com/fj-3/j-sportmodel6-.JPG)


(http://users.skynet.be/bob.lazar/www.boblazar.com/closed/discflight.jpg)

I can see on one of his websites that it suggest that there is a download of the video or maybe animation of the flight test..

I am unable to open the download file to watch it... maybe someone can say if it shows images similar to the photo image that I posted ..

http://users.skynet.be/bob.lazar/www.boblazar.com/closed/home.html

From what I recall one of the images did show two or three persons observing the Saucer make a short take off.. and who ever was flying it was trying to control the saucer...One of the persons if I recall may have looked like Bob or one of his associates where we see him from a side or rear view looking up at the Saucer...

just found these a bit later on ...

(http://www.zamandayolculuk.com/fj-3/j-beautydisc-nett-.jpg)

(http://www.zamandayolculuk.com/fj-3/j-sportmodel7-.JPG)

(https://t2.kn3.net/taringa/6/0/4/8/8/9/bazorc/E11.jpg)

(https://www.bing.com/th?id=OIP.AWqqew0ojSEVimfxD5WNsAAAAA&pid=Api&w=400&h=257&rs=1&p=0)

I am not sure if those images or animation used to be visible on his old website..

But his latest version now does not show the whole images or animation .... other than maybe as a download..

I found this website that shows some of the images that Michael Schratt had created in good detail.

http://www.zamandayolculuk.com/html-2/ufo-topsecret.htm
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I personally would not think that if the videos A51 Watcher has posted are as real as he suggests.. I do not think that I could conclude that they maybe drones...or had not until I later saw the added drone video that you posted that initially before I replied to this.. I was not able to see.... :-[   ???    BUT I am not sure the drones vids quite match A51s wideos..

The processes done by his team have gone thru varaious stages using specilists forensic typ esoftware from what we are led to understand .... I am not sure HOW it may be making what seems like a gravitaional or electrical type  or plasma
efect in his later versions... but I do not think that I have EVER seen anything quite like them before even on any hollywood productios / movies..

Its seems as if its almost looking inside parts or sections within the craft ...and not just the outer skin.

If some how it was faked... again I have never seen anything like it before.. and I still find the footage most interesting..and WAS almost unlike anything else I have seen.. (Until I have now seen your drone video !    :o  )

QuoteBig Pappy
You don't know for sure that you saw an anti gravity vehicle a modern drone would be one answer for what you may have seen. You can not prove that what you saw was an alien Zeta Reticuli Spacecraft.

A modern drone show imagine what you would had thought if you had seen this technology from what 20 miles away at Area51 in 1989 ? You would had thought OMG its flying saucers !!! They were making Drones and testing drones long time ago far before the modern tech we can buy over the counter.

https://youtu.be/u6uIRr4CWQY

In ref to what you suggest about the Video footage that Bob Lazar , John Lear and Gene Huff claimed to have filmed..

I will need to try and find the video of that to rewatch it again...

I cannot recall all the details or how long it  lasted for...o how much footage thatthey may have actually filmed..

BUT if John was NOT involved in any hoax (If say Gene and Bob were)   

If I recall John has always said that he witnessed a Saucer Craft test...  and he also claimed to have seen it one more than one occasion.

I am not sure  or cannot recall if all occasions were filmed ... or which one we tend to have become aware of...

When A51 watcher created his own video... if I recall he also has recreated Bobs.. and again if I recall they both showed to appear similar after he had done all the advanced recreation and further magnifacation and clarifications of the two sitings...


At the moment I assume the original Bob Lazar  videos are on PRC  or easily found somewhere online and I need to find it again ...

unless someone has what they think is the correct or more trusted version/s that the have a ref or link to..

I have so far found this on e a quick online search that I think is A51 Watchers or at least part of his footage from Bobs sighting version is shown...

It seems to show about 2 mins worth of the original footage , but part of that is showing John Lear talking as the event was taking place...

the UFO footage starts just after the 1 min mark after Gene Huff was being Interviewed from somewhere after the event..

I can see at the beginning of the UFO footage or what ever it is we are seeing.... be it a dim light that is suggested in the distance..

I think I can hear someone saying did you see that...(Maybe Gene Huff ) and maybe we hear  Bob replying "NO I did not !" ...

IF he / they was doing a HOAX...... Would Bob say NO I did not ?

But at the same time we do see some movement at the time when maybe Gene Huff is asking that question...

However can we prove that Gene Huff may move the camera ? if we even do hear what seems like foot steps towards the camera. ?

But otherwise it does appear in this short footage, that there is not a lot of movement of the dim light or UFO we see in the distance !

I dont think we see anything suggest any large movements of say anywhere from a mile or 5 miles or 30 miles in seconds or minutes even...as overall the object appears quite stationary...unless the small movemnt we are seeing are on such a far away  scale that what seem like minor movements are of a much larger scale than maybe we imagine..

BUT overal it does appear as if it is a saucer  craft of some souce.. that its ALWAYS In some sort of movement up or down or sideways as if its trying to maintain some sort of control to hover overall in one position.

So again if they were creating a hoax.... HOW do you think that they account for that sort of movement ?

Is the cameral on some sort of tripod that say makes short type variational movemnets up or down / side to side..or even diagional at times.... I would find that rather unlikely....

or is it someone constantly swaying the camera to some degree ???

or is the object a real craft making smaller variational movements ???



https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=82&v=ufPIHJ7To9g


I found this video for now that shows a few short clips of the test flight .... it also shows the test flight animation that I referred to in my previous post at about the 7 min mark...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=445&v=6BbOvUO2NAU

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The video of lazar and Huff that's so famous is a stationary light. You can clearly hear Gene Huff walk over to the camera bump the camera and then says "Did you see that?" Lazar replies No I didn't Huff replies "It went zoom zoom" That particular incident was what made me start to think hold on a minute hear they are all watching this craft and Huff is the only one that sees it go he estimates 30 miles across the sky and back made no sense. Lazar and company should had seen this happen but they didn't and once again we can go over the video you can clearly hear him walk to the camera bump it those old mics were super sensitive as well.

Quote from: bigpappy51
You are correct first off I have been sick for the past month with several illnesses so it make look like i'm having a coronary and jumping around and for that I hope everyone understands. Forgive me for the typos as well when using my phone the autocorrect doesn't seem to correct anything again I have been ill for a month now I sometimes wonder if we have all been poisoned.

I didn't say Gene and Bob were jealous of John lear. If you go to Bob Lazar's original BobLazarDOTcom which is online. You Can read Bobs transcripts and I found it very strange how they watched John for at least one year On The Record and then Gene approaches him to trade a real estate appraisal for UFO tape copies. One of those tapes as you know and I can prove was The Billy Meier tapes. In those Billy Meier tapes for those who don't know was the beam Ship that is in appearance identical to the Sport Model Bob showed. Except for the ETs are totally different.

Im trying to show a number of alleged coincidences that are not actually coincidences. A51Watcher there is no doubt in my mind that you and others saw things in the skies above Area51 that you cant explain this was going on for some time after Bob came out you would think they would have stopped all saucer programs once you and others were camped out on Freedom Ridge. There are other explanations.

The video of lazar and Huff that's so famous is a stationary light. You can clearly hear Gene Huff walk over to the camera bump the camera and then says "Did you see that?" Lazar replies No I didn't Huff replies "It went zoom zoom" That particular incident was what made me start to think hold on a minute hear they are all watching this craft and Huff is the only one that sees it go he estimates 30 miles across the sky and back made no sense. Lazar and company should had seen this happen but they didn't and once again we can go over the video you can clearly hear him walk to the camera bump it those old mics were super sensitive as well.

I also find the falling out between Gene and Lazar suspicious and the comments made atlears Birthday party. As far as calling Gene Bobs buddy I meant no offense by that he had referred to him as his buddy and Knapp had referred to Huff as his buddy in interviews as well. I think what I am going to do is put together a list of all the coincidences that we have when it comes to lazar and his story and maybe we can go over them one ata time I will offer this. As far as your sighting in the deserts I'm not going to go along with the theory of Tom Mahood who claims it was a Proton beam weapon. At the same time because there is no S4 at Papoose Lake and Bob did not have the degrees and many other claims he he can't prove I have to say I don't believe Bob Lazar.

I do believe that Bob Lazar and Gene Huff wrote this story as I stated they watched lear saw the attention and though they could cash in. Which is what Lazar is doing right now. I believe that they used John Lear as a conduit to get the story out and because Bob lazar talked about a fictitious place and a fictitious story he cant be arrested. Bob never would have had the time to get the TS clearance approved to go to Groom Lake impossible you must have a Top Secret Clearance to go to Groom this is a fact ask any member of the RoadRunners International as I have.

Yes Corey Goode has been talking about Archaeological UFO sites in Antarctica Linda Howe has been doing the same using a fake navy SEAL. I will ask you I don't recall Lazar saying years ago these 9 discs were the result of an archaeological dig have you ? You would think we would have one whistleblower from the digs? Or one whistleblower from S4 by now but nothing we had what Dan Burisch..

A51Watcher I do enjoy our conversations it makes life interesting I am not trying to be a smart A$$ I wish I could had been there to see what you had seen at Groom.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8d53SjsVwW4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEWz4SXfyCQ