http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-yUKS3O66A
Seal screaming out like a human asking:
How do I get out of here?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0-lkl9TzsU
Goat yelling for Help?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQCOHUXmEZg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7ht0a2-OnA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQCCsBpwTPg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_1wrvLILhA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPyJfJT_h3w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSZ8ZodbN5w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hv5hFjxU7Hs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btuxO-C2IzE
Sooo, what does that say about "humanity".
I was quite ill earlier this week. My pale tortie, Luna, is an affectionate cat, but not usually a lap cat. The three days I was feeling beyond "death warmed over," she wanted to be attached to me. I'm feeling better now, and she's back to "Hi Mom, did you fill my food dish?"
Shasta
Quote from: Shasta56 on April 28, 2012, 03:55:36 AM
I was quite ill earlier this week. My pale tortie, Luna, is an affectionate cat, but not usually a lap cat. The three days I was feeling beyond "death warmed over," she wanted to be attached to me. I'm feeling better now, and she's back to "Hi Mom, did you fill my food dish?"
Shasta
That's something I've noticed too. Animals are so attentive and attuned to us. They are sentient beings. Those living amongst us are capable of learning our language and many other things. Yet by most of humanity they are treated like they're just dumb and insignificant.
Animals are usually more trust worthy, honorable, and kind than human beings. It seems completely plausible that human beings could have at one point lived side by side with all living creatures as friends and equals.
What I found so interesting about the last video is that the female "wild" lioness treated them as friends.
I saw the story of Christian a few years ago. That's a very large skull to get head-butted by. He obviously remembered his friends. I like to watch some of the animal stuff on AFV too. They get some pretty intetesting things going. I even had a cat years ago, that taught the younger cat to get him twinkies out of the cupboard.
Shasta
My favs were the cats, little and big. The big one(s) made tears flow, it was so beautiful.
I didn't dare watch the chicken one...
What gets me is that our planet is so out of balance. Human kind is so ready to jump out into space and find new sentient life, yet ignores and mistreats 99% of it right here at home.
Most sentient life forms portrayed to us in movies etc, look very similar to us. Here on Earth there are very few sentient beings that look like us. We are brainwashed to the greatest gifts right in front of us.
Imagine living side by side with all the species of our planet as friends. Does that sound impossible?
( If so, please watch the last video again... That is a ~wild~ lioness. )
Why is it that we are so blind? Have we been tricked or brainwashed? I would think any advanced race that is watching us would be waiting for us to learn our own surroundings and prove we are not "savages" before allowing us access to their world.
To balance our planet we must see many truths hidden directly in plain sight. True respect, understanding, love and compassion has been lost to the majority of our society. Evils needs to be recognized in order for goodness to prevail.
Take for granted what is in this World, and we will fail again and again for countless generations. To pass "the test" there is far more than one thing we have to do.
( If so, please watch the last video again... That is a ~wild~ lioness. )
actually that is not a wild lioness
the story is an old one and reaally great without changing the details
here are the two men in the story telling the tale 35 years after the fact..
good vid here but i couldn't move it
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/25797678/ns/today-money/t/man-hugging-lion-video-reveals-its-secrets/
captain dave
the only ones who think animals are stupid are folks who have never lived with one ot two
or even several
persaonlly i don't think i could make it without my critters..
A wise choice for a thread, Cap'n D, and it's the animals who own this planet, we are the interlopers.LOL!
I feel as a human, I am placed here in this container for a profound reason, and one of the tests we face is our ability to appreciate and interact with other lifeforms, like animals, and so forth. Of course we dont want to interact with a great white shark so much, but that doesnt mean those sharks dont have something wise to add to the conversation.
As much as an animal can be a symbiotic creature, or a distant aloof friend, they have an ability to communicate on another level we will never know, and what they are saying is very very true.
"You humans better get your s%$t together soon, because weve seen the results of you all getting wiped out before, and it's coming again!"
So, with every living thing I observe, I also try to observe their lifeforce as a benefit to me, and even when killing those fire ants, I think "wow, it would suck if some 450 foot tall creature poured a caustic chemical on my entire family, and wiped us from existence with one fell swoop"
The creatures and such, we share the world with are far beyond our mental capabilities so far, and any attempts to achieve that level by humans is futile. As we learn what they are saying or "suggesting", we see what we want to hear, and if we place ourselves in the paws and flippers of them, we will see how important they are to us.
In the case of animals for food, it is imperative to realize we dont need to eat them to survive, and thats why proteins are found in plants and other sources, for our use.
Unfortunately for the animals, cavemen liked the taste of meat, and werent privy to how to extract protein from plants, so here we are. meat eaters, like it or not.
I personally think the consumption of lifeforms other than ourselves is a necessary evil, but hell, plants grow back, and cows dont, so WTF people?
Im not a vegan or even a vegetarian, but I have made strides in finding the most ethical form of meats for my diet, and it's the least I can do to show the sentient lifeforce that I do feel bad, yet my dna has been so irrepairably altered, Ill always crave a steak.
If you are like me Capn D, and you are, as that wonderful butterfly story so firmly attests, Im sure it's for a good reason, and I will always lift a bumblebee out of the pool or springs, as they are the most amazing creatures on earth, and no less deserving of life than me or anyone.
When mankind can stand back and watch something die with impunity, it's the beginning of the end, and that came thousands of years ago, at the Tower of Babel.
Men working in unison towards a common goal, and those evil few who would stop the progress for eternity by dividing and separating the different peoples there with language barriers.
So, like the barrier we perceive between us and animals, the Tower of Babel was where it all went wrong...thanks a lot GOD!....or should I say brother Enlil?
Pet a dog, cat, or even a shark today if you so desire, just remember, they were here first, and theyll be here when were gone, and we are a blip on their existence, that can be waited out, as they are the chosen, not us.
The animals are here as our teachers, and the lesson is clear...live amongst the different, with one heart, and one mind! And exhibit a love for fellow lifeforms, whatever form they may take, yes folks, aliens included!
Cheers!
Littleenki
Quote from: sky otter on April 28, 2012, 04:37:20 PM
( If so, please watch the last video again... That is a ~wild~ lioness. )
actually that is not a wild lioness
the story is an old one and reaally great without changing the details
here are the two men in the story telling the tale 35 years after the fact..
good vid here but i couldn't move it
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/25797678/ns/today-money/t/man-hugging-lion-video-reveals-its-secrets/
captain dave
the only ones who think animals are stupid are folks who have never lived with one ot two
or even several
persaonlly i don't think i could make it without my critters..
Sorry about the mis-info... I saw the video and thought the way they stated things that the lioness was wild. It turns out there were two lionesses - Mona & Lisa. Both were trapped and later given to Adamsen for rehabilitation before being released back into the wild with Christian as the prides male Lion.
My Mother lives in a wooded area and feeds various wild animals often by hand. My Wife feeds birds & feral cats and is one of the only people around that they trust for some reason. So I just thought this was more of the same.
(http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/2690/newpics477.jpg)
I've hung out with alot of different animals as well... Seems like the communication skills between "us" and "them" have been diminished over time for some reason.
I grew up thinking Mr Ed really could talk.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0eoStyRPJ8&feature=related
Communication other than verbal is via our largely dormant senses, and our animal friends must find humans really quite dumb?
And the plant life forms also, I think this discussion could well dovetail with electrogravitics
hobbit
lol..Hobbit
i think this discussion could dove tail with most any other
it's all a matter of communication skills - which us humans usually stink at because
of ego or fear
if you are open to it ... everything speaks to us
i have feral rescue cats in the barn..got 'em spayed..that was fun but they are happy cats
the house cats will sit at the door ..look over their shoulder with a look that says..hey human door person, get over here.. ;D
now the dogs..that's an entire different skill set..
right now we are having a fun time putting extra butternuts (from our tree)..out for the squirrels
i don't think i have ever laughed so hard as watching those greedy little rats in fur coats vie for who'se next to choose the perfect nut...
tons of critter stories from me..i like them better than most humans.. 8)
Quote from: Captain Dave on April 28, 2012, 03:15:16 PM
What gets me is that our planet is so out of balance. Human kind is so ready to jump out into space and find new sentient life, yet ignores and mistreats 99% of it right here at home.
Most sentient life forms portrayed to us in movies etc, look very similar to us. Here on Earth there are very few sentient beings that look like us. We are brainwashed to the greatest gifts right in front of us.
Imagine living side by side with all the species of our planet as friends. Does that sound impossible?
( If so, please watch the last video again... That is a ~wild~ lioness. )
Why is it that we are so blind? Have we been tricked or brainwashed? I would think any advanced race that is watching us would be waiting for us to learn our own surroundings and prove we are not "savages" before allowing us access to their world.
To balance our planet we must see many truths hidden directly in plain sight. True respect, understanding, love and compassion has been lost to the majority of our society. Evils needs to be recognized in order for goodness to prevail.
Take for granted what is in this World, and we will fail again and again for countless generations. To pass "the test" there is far more than one thing we have to do.
Keep in mind that MOST of Us are very sensitive - but that money allows the root of evil to grow (the LOVE of money), and that most of the horrors are perpetrated by a very few with a LOT of power. (Yes, some of Us have been twisted past Our Human compassion by this ill-fitting yoke of money, and choose to behave poorly, but, statistically, that number is insignificant.)
Communication skills... we could learn alot from animals. Especially their ability to assess a threat and walk away from it gracefully....
But I wanted to ask you Amaterasu... sort of a technical question and it is off the subject... I am sorry. You mention "money" as if it were your all time worst enemy. BUT
What if you embraced the use of it ( Lets just say that it was an inheritance..... say ten thousand dollars.
What would happen if you used that money for the things that you needed but dealt in CASH only. No credit.... no loans...nothing but cold hard cash.
What if all of your neighbors did the same thing. In fact what would happen if everyone in the nation refused to buy ANYTHING on credit or to take out loans....Purchasing only with Cash.
Instantly the the person offering the best deal to you would be the one that you purchased from. No fancy financing for a car.... drive what you can pay for... cash... Period. And everyone else did exactly the same.
Think for a moment what that would do to the economy. Seriously. Most of the problems that I see is that we have overextended our selves into the credit burden that we tote around and THAT is what makes us slaves.... not the money itself. Linda
Linda,
As long as there is a money system - and by money I mean any NEED to exchange, as in barter, trade, work exchange, cash, checks, electronic funds... - there will be scarcity, poverty, hunger, control, class conflict, and war. (War is incited for profit by the war profiteers.)
It is what emerges from that seed parameter in the chaos system which society is. Replace that seed parameter with free energy (and robots to do all the necessary work no One wants to do), and abundance will flow to all of Us, the profit motive to incite wars, make things cheaply, planned obsolescence, consumerism, advertising, insurance, spam, fraud, theft, wage-slavery, greed, and most other ills in the scarcity paradigm will dissipate along with the need for money.
If we were able to communciate with the animal life on this planet, can you see how well organized everything would be?
Pollination, fertalization, seed dispersal, soil aeration... what else?
The war like nature that we have developed within our systems is detramental to our evolution and our very existence. Resources are being wasted and permanently damaged.
What happens to the tools of war... bombs etc from previous generations? We spent Billions of dollars on these unnecessary tools and continue to do so. Meanwhile neglecting Primary systems.
( In other words we foolishly throw away money and resources we can't afford in the first place. Then rob Peter to pay Paul. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that we've been spreading lies around our societies for far too long. No one likes to be fed BS and told it's candy, and we know when we are. )
I don't mean any one Country either, as most have fell into this trap. Spend Billions of dollars on Weapons and allow starvation, pollution and uneducation to flourish? That is a breeding nest for chaos, and that is not humane.
Spend money on World Wide Education and we will eliminate the seeds of hatred with seeds of knowledge instead. We will have no need for these expensive tools of war and we will flourish instead of wither.
At the very least if we spent that money on creating Peace instead of War and invested into the repair of our planet and societies, who would want war with us?
There comes a point when it is too late. There comes a point where you can not repair the damage. There comes a point when even something so loved and cherished is lost forever. There comes a point where there is nothing more that you can do but pray.
If there is Hope, if there is Reason left in us to do whats right, then we must take action, while there is still a chance.
This is our World - all of us in it, from the grasshopper to the leaders of nations, all are accountable. We can turn this place into a beautiful garden or a diseased festering dump.
I would rather live in a Graden in Peace than a Diseased Dump.
If we continue down this destructive path of pesticides, pollution and lack of respect for the balance within nature what result can we expect?
What can we use instead of pesticides? Bats, birds, insects...?
Can we not create filtration systems for these pollution emitting machines...?
Can we not create anything we want and use what we have to do it?
What can't we do correctly if we try?
Why is Evil being Allowed to prevail?
I have no doubt that we can create machines to both allow us to communicate via brain waves and also block them.
I have no doubt that we can create machines that will allow us to cross the Universe in seconds.
I have no doubt that we can fix what we have broken.
I have no doubt that we can create anything we can imagine.
I have no doubt that there is a God.
I have no doubt that there is a Devil.
My only doubt is in Humanity and I think many feel the same.
How do we fix that, because if we do then we will have it all.
If the animals aren't trying to speak to us, then they should be - telling us to get off our asses. lol
The way society is now, I don't want to invent anything, as it will only be taken away, hidden from the public, abused and or used as a weapon. I'm tired of lining the pockets of fools with gold.
We have St. Francis genes around here. Everyone wants to come back as one of our pets. Current pack is three rescue black labs/mixes, two from pups, and three rescue cats from kittens. Our pets are taught and we make them as smart as possible. Be all they can be. The dogs get to run on long walks in the woods daily. I can bring kittens for a couple months on the walks (until they get curious and want to self educate, do it their own instinctive way) We have year round inside outside cats, all "fixed", all are up to date at the vet and all have claws.
So, I have busy active pets that display incredible language skills, mostly silent but loud and clear.
I work out of the house and also have a business house nearby. Close enough that the cats and dogs know their way between.
Grandmother could talk to birds, feed them out of her hands and some would come in and out of her house in Florida.
She drove from Florida to Baltimore when he moved and the bird road shotgun with a pole for a perch.
She had it bad and always had strays to stay or pass through.
Mom had generations of squirrels that lived nearby and eat out her lap, also big bird watcher. All of us have cats and dogs.
We use leashes only at special times for the dogs but train for no leash. We are able to stay at some of the big chain hotels without problems.
Once you make them all they can be, their is no turning back. those beings need care and interaction. All are emotional individuals.
Quote from: Captain Dave on April 28, 2012, 11:40:39 PM
If we were able to communciate with the animal life on this planet, can you see how well organized everything would be?
Pollination, fertalization, seed dispersal, soil aeration... what else?
The war like nature that we have developed within our systems is detramental to our evolution and our very existence. Resources are being wasted and permanently damaged.
What happens to the tools of war... bombs etc from previous generations? We spent Billions of dollars on these unnecessary tools and continue to do so. Meanwhile neglecting Primary systems.
( In other words we foolishly throw away money and resources we can't afford in the first place. Then rob Peter to pay Paul. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that we've been spreading lies around our societies for far too long. No one likes to be fed BS and told it's candy, and we know when we are. )
I don't mean any one Country either, as most have fell into this trap. Spend Billions of dollars on Weapons and allow starvation, pollution and uneducation to flourish? That is a breeding nest for chaos, and that is not humane.
Spend money on World Wide Education and we will eliminate the seeds of hatred with seeds of knowledge instead. We will have no need for these expensive tools of war and we will flourish instead of wither.
At the very least if we spent that money on creating Peace instead of War and invested into the repair of our planet and societies, who would want war with us?
There comes a point when it is too late. There comes a point where you can not repair the damage. There comes a point when even something so loved and cherished is lost forever. There comes a point where there is nothing more that you can do but pray.
If there is Hope, if there is Reason left in us to do whats right, then we must take action, while there is still a chance.
This is our World - all of us in it, from the grasshopper to the leaders of nations, all are accountable. We can turn this place into a beautiful garden or a diseased festering dump.
I would rather live in a Graden in Peace than a Diseased Dump.
If we continue down this destructive path of pesticides, pollution and lack of respect for the balance within nature what result can we expect?
What can we use instead of pesticides? Bats, birds, insects...?
Can we not create filtration systems for these pollution emitting machines...?
Can we not create anything we want and use what we have to do it?
What can't we do correctly if we try?
Why is Evil being Allowed to prevail?
I have no doubt that we can create machines to both allow us to communicate via brain waves and also block them.
I have no doubt that we can create machines that will allow us to cross the Universe in seconds.
I have no doubt that we can fix what we have broken.
I have no doubt that we can create anything we can imagine.
I have no doubt that there is a God.
I have no doubt that there is a Devil.
My only doubt is in Humanity and I think many feel the same.
How do we fix that, because if we do then we will have it all.
If the animals aren't trying to speak to us, then they should be - telling us to get off our asses. lol
The way society is now, I don't want to invent anything, as it will only be taken away, hidden from the public, abused and or used as a weapon. I'm tired of lining the pockets of fools with gold.
The reason We spend so much on war is because the war profiteers incite war, control the governments, promote fear to justify spending, and so on. It really is just a very few who are responsible for this whole mess. By eliminating the need for money (through free energy), such waste of resources and lives would not occur.
My comments will not be a part of the "animal fairytale" :) Animals - wild and domestic, were created with brains of various sizes, to support their lives in the wild, and in domestication. Various tests, including Pavlov's dog, have shown that animals can be trained to some point, but, no where is there any real thought about animals being anyway near par nor superior, to humans, except maybe in the Movie, "The Planet of The Apes", which is another "fairy tale".
Animals are animals. Put a pile of animals on an unpopulated planet - come back in a hundred years, or a thousand years, and you will find a lot bigger pile of animals. That is what they are, and that is all they are - animals.
And I am sorry, considering some of this discussion, but I see no real reason to think otherwise! :) Don't misunderstand, I love "pet animals", and have had numerous. And my pets always showed strong feelings for me, but.......................they are just animals, even though the feelings they sometimes show can make one feel they are more than that. Of course, because we can get so attached to our pets, I always get emotional when one of them dies.
Quote from: hobbit on April 28, 2012, 06:38:28 PM
I grew up thinking Mr Ed really could talk.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0eoStyRPJ8&feature=related
Communication other than verbal is via our largely dormant senses, and our animal friends must find humans really quite dumb?
And the plant life forms also, I think this discussion could well dovetail with electrogravitics
hobbit
As you pose, Hobbit, the salmon are wise....as is the vegetable romesco, and the beautiful sunflower.
The flows are creating the most beautiful fibonacci artwork in our world's plants, and thats what shows one how heart centered spirals really exist.
It also indicates the force we know as gravity is one of the building blocks to life, and not just the way we keep from flying into space.
Im curious if the magnetism in certain areas of the world create different versions of the same plant species, and animals, or are they inherently different no matter what?
Do the Earth's natural Cymatic resonances help that gravity along, like a symphony of creation?
So, it appears, the DNA helix is our human version of the wise romesco!
Those spirals?...once again, the saying...return,return,return, has profound basis in life...:D
Dangit! now I want some cedar plank salmon, with a side of steamed romesco!LOL!
Cheers, and happy sunday!
HH Littleenki
Interestingly... In Dr. LaViolette's book, Secrets of Antigravity Propulsion, one of the noted effects of, I think it was the Searl disc, was health benefits when staying near it... (Could be wrong on the specific device, but one of thos EG devices showed this effect.)
Quote from: rdunk on April 29, 2012, 02:38:00 AM
My comments will not be a part of the "animal fairytale" :) Animals - wild and domestic, were created with brains of various sizes, to support their lives in the wild, and in domestication. Various tests, including Pavlov's dog, have shown that animals can be trained to some point, but, no where is there any real thought about animals being anyway near par nor superior, to humans, except maybe in the Movie, "The Planet of The Apes", which is another "fairy tale".
Animals are animals. Put a pile of animals on an unpopulated planet - come back in a hundred years, or a thousand years, and you will find a lot bigger pile of animals. That is what they are, and that is all they are - animals.
And I am sorry, considering some of this discussion, but I see no real reason to think otherwise! :) Don't misunderstand, I love "pet animals", and have had numerous. And my pets always showed strong feelings for me, but.......................they are just animals, even though the feelings they sometimes show can make one feel they are more than that. Of course, because we can get so attached to our pets, I always get emotional when one of them dies.
Hey, Rdunk, good point you have there, but you knew someone would come back, so here goes!
I think what your saying has some merit, as Ive also thought of animals as placed here on earth as tools for our lesson plan, and a way to show how we, during this lesson plan we call life, are exposed to different lifeforms and how we react to them.
Animals dont have to be smarter than us or better than us, although they may be here to teach us.
Of course, from a Biblical standpoint, the so called GOD created them for man's needs, and gave them brains so they can procreate, and assimilate to their environs, and then killed and eaten.
That story is quack, IMHO, and the bible was written by people who didnt respect or give two shits about an animal unless it was on a plate, so biblical philosophy towards animals is an empty bottle of sleeping pills, waiting to drift into non-reality land.
We as humans, have learned some of the importance of animals, and until we see the true requirements we have for food, and how it is all around us in plant form, we wont move into the golden age everyone speaks of, where all thinking, seeing creatures are here for the same reason.
To experience life at it's core, and live through humanity and it's wonders, along with all the other "bird and bees" who have every right to live that we do.
I wonder what that great white shark would have to say to you if you swam into it's area?
Id guess as a human, it would bow to you, and respect your human grace and power with all of it's heart....NOT!!!!
It would snap your body up like so many rags, and tear you to pieces. YOU would be eaten.
Now, why would GOD tell us the animals are here for us to enjoy the flavor of, when many of the animals in the world could eat us with ease? I truly wonder what an animal bible would read like....
Chapter One...."Go forth young cheetah, and tear and rend the flesh of that pygmy..he is here for you to eat, and is nothing but a bit of fodder for your palate."
Chapter two...."Eat the human, as they would eat you"
Chapter Three...."Humans? you mean dinner, right?"
:D
Hmmm, that sounds frightening, and regardless of how the Pavlov dog behaved, as long as we are trying to understand something we shouldnt, erroneous outcomes will occur during these apparently useless experiments.
Now, I must quote you from that last post...Animals are animals. Put a pile of animals on an unpopulated planet - come back in a hundred years, or a thousand years, and you will find a lot bigger pile of animals.
Well, Rdunk, how do we compare to animals in the grand scheme of things?
Place a thousand humans on a planet and come back in a hundred years, and all goodness and grace will be gone. They will have killed each other, raped each other, stole from each other, and ultimately become their own Sodom and Gomorrah, waiting to happen....so, who is the animal now?
I will always place the animals of the world on a pedestal, and ironically eat some of them, but I still know they are pure, and have a greater meaning here than just some meatball fodder waiting to be ground up and baked.
Hell, now's as good a time to become a vegetarian as any, since the meat we eat is so f-ed up and genetically modified, it isnt even close to the original, which was perfection in every way.
Grab a tofu block and start chopping, Rdunk, it's dinnertime!LOL!
Cheers!
Littleenki
Enki, I gave You gold, but disagree with Your assessment of how Humans would turn out. It all depends on the societal chaos seed They are begun with.
As long as there is plenty of energy, and three simple Laws, You will find a golden society when You return.
Yea Reconn!!
http://thepoodleanddogblog.typepad.com/the_poodle_and_dog_blog/2008/03/yorkie-doodle-d.html
Linda
It's all in what you're taught as you grow up. You could just as easily have been taught not to eat meat and that it's a Bad thing to do so.
Society is teaching us what's acceptable and whats not from an early age. So, the question is - Is society teaching us the right things?
I'm torn between logic and what I've been taught.
I love steak, especially with greek seasoning... Pork, chicken, goat, lamb, cows, fish, crabs, lobster, emu, turkey, venison and more, I've chowed em all down. Mmmm Mmmm Good too. Because it's acceptable, it's what I was taught.
Now logically, I know they are sentient beings, with real lives and feelings, but society has taught me it's ok to chew em up and feel good about it. I know there are substitutes like Tofu I can eat, but I don't. I know I could eat all vegetables and still survive, but I don't. Because I've been brainwashed. Which still doesn't make it right.
Lets just talk crazy for a second (haha my forte). What if this place is full of "aliens" from around the Universe. A "melting pot world" as Undo has phrased it in another thread. Then ya know what - WE'RE EATING THE OTHER ALIENS!
- Oh and if reincarnation is real, then we're eating relatives!
How advanced are we really? We're all high and mighty - Truly "Sentient" beings, capable of Love and Compassion and higher reasoning. Umm, we're demonstrating the exact opposite! Just because we create expensive toys that doesn't mean we are better. Birds can fly without machines - we can't. Spiders build webs without machines - in advanced geometric patterns -we can't. Etc Etc Etc
When the english came to America, they considered the Indian's "lesser" beings... Savages they were called. A couple hundred years later, society is eating those words and realizing they were wrong.
So if we go to another world and the beings there aren't up to par with what We consider "Intelligent", then I guess we'll just EAT THEM if they taste good!
We aren't any better than the Sharks!(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Bluebird/shark.gif)
The videos prove that we can become friends with animals. Whether we choose to do so, whether we choose to do what's right, is another matter.
( Oh and using the oldest of ancient languages - mental telepathy, we can communicate with them. Most choose not to. Just like I choose not to accept the human hive mind scenario. )
<----- a virtual vegetarian, contemplates saitan with Greek seasoning...
Gold for you, Captain Dave, and a promotion to Admiral as well!
You truly are a wise man, my friend, a wise man for sure, and your tagline is my belief is will save us....education for free, and knowledge for all online right in their faces!FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cheers!
Littleenki(the other captain Dave):D
Quote from: Amaterasu on April 29, 2012, 06:39:52 PM
<----- a virtual vegetarian, contemplates saitan with Greek seasoning...
Seitan is good, and a shoe would be good with greek seasoning!LOL!
Im making a feta cheesy casserole tonight with my organic zucchini I got this morning, and will enjoy every minute of its veggy goodness!
Complete with fenugreek and fresh organic oregano I grew in my garden.
I truly wish zucchini casserole could be shipped quickly to you, Am, I really do!
Cheers!
Littleenki
Quote from: Amaterasu on April 29, 2012, 06:39:52 PM
<----- a virtual vegetarian, contemplates saitan with Greek seasoning...
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Bluebird/pickinonme.gif)
Whew, thought you were talking about the Saitan/Neitan prophecies there for a second, till I found Seitan the Vegetarian white meat. LOL that was scary! I was like WHat WhAT!?
Have to check into Seitan. - Thanks
And Thanks Littleenki!
Cap'n, You had Me ROFLing!
Enki, I wanna come to dinner!
Yes Littleenki, I did expect an opposing comment or two! :) I really only posted to bring a "normal opinion" about animals to this thread.
One thing for sure that humans are able to do, is to believe anything their hearts desire, but their believing a thing does not make it truth. Regarding animals, I suppose down through the ages, they have been held at various levels of esteem, including up to being god figures, in some religions. I think even today, some animal types are considered as sacred by followers in some religions.
Animals have been vaunted to great heights, in societal action, entertainment, and function, by we humans for many many years. But the huge majority of that has come about in the venue of "make-believe". Animals have been "brought to life", in every aspect of our daily lives, in movies, TV, with kids toys, etc.. We humans have gone to great lengths to make animals appear completely humanish, and "life-like. They are depicted as being able to talk, as getting mad, sad, and as being happy, and as having involved and complicated lives in every way like humans. Just last month, we gave our four year old grandson a "walking", "talking". and "farting" (yes farting) dinosaur for his birthday. And, right now he is excited about going this summer to see where Mickey Mouse lives, at Disney World.
However, IMHO, I believe we humans are a bit in trouble, when we start believing our own make believe! ???
Now littleenki, you saId, "Place a thousand humans on a planet and come back in a hundred years, and all goodness and grace will be gone. They will have killed each other, raped each other, stole from each other, and ultimately become their own Sodom and Gomorrah, waiting to happen....so, who is the animal now"?
That statement I believe is not correct. As you did mention the "Bible" earlier, I will note that from the Bible we can know that "goodness and grace" being gone, as you mentioned, came as a result of Adam and Eve's disobedience of God, in the Garden of Eden. And that is the root of all evil until today.
But, I still disagree with your statement about man, in general, because, over thousands of years here, man has survived quite well, overall. Yes, there are "works of the devil" going on such as you suggest, and there will be until after the Biblical end time. But, in the main, man continues to advance in most areas of life. with vast advances in technology. Yes, there are still elements of "Sodom and Gomorrah", but it is obvious that man is moving forward. However, we may be seeing a lot going on in this world today, that might suggest an imminent decline toward man's self destruction, at or near the end time!?
But, for this thread, over those thousands of years mentioned, for man's existence, the animals still have remained animals. Animals are animals, and there is no reason to expect that to change, IMO. :) We love to love them, and they (our pets) seem to mostly love us - I use the term "love" for the animal's show of feelings toward us, while it may be not much more than DNA-gratitude for the food we give them when they are hungry.
Quote from: rdunk on April 29, 2012, 08:30:06 PM
But, for this thread, over those thousands of years mentioned, for man's existence, the animals still have remained animals. Animals are animals, and there is no reason to expect that to change, IMO. :) We love to love them, and they (our pets) seem to mostly love us - I use the term "love" for the animal's show of feelings toward us, while it may be not much more than DNA-gratitude for the food we give them when they are hungry.
Type in "Dolphin saves life" in a search engine. I'd put a link or two, but there are so many, I wouldn't know which one to choose.
Here's a link to a few more animals that have saved human lives...
http://natgeotv.com/uk/an-animal-saved-my-life/about (http://natgeotv.com/uk/an-animal-saved-my-life/about)
( They saved lives and there was no treat involved, other than doing a good deed... )