I am posting an anomaly found in photos of the very earliest days of Rover opportunity's work. This object can be seen in several of Rovers first days of photographing the Martian surface - like Sol days 003. 004, and etc. Rover did take pics in this same area for several days.
The anomaly is just a small white object of some sort, with what appears to be a black sphere on top of it. It is just there, on the surface, among the rocks.
I will include a screenshot of the anomaly, a colorized screenshot, and a link to a mosaic of this area. In the mosaic, this anomaly is to the far right in the photo.
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/press/opportunity/20040127a/Sol3_mosaic_right-B003R1.jpg
Quote from: rdunk on June 01, 2012, 09:18:52 PM
The anomaly is just a small white object of some sort, with what appears to be a black sphere on top of it. It is just there, on the surface, among the rocks.
What makes you think that that's something anomalous and not just some rocks?
(Yes, I know, I am one of those "just rocks" guys :) )
Here is a slightly better version of that photo, with the colours made like NASA does.
(click for full size)
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/1P128544926RAD0205P2355L42BL52BL6C1-1.png) (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/1P128544926RAD0205P2355L42BL52BL6C1-1.png)
And here's a version with the colours made like I prefer. :D
(click for full size)
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/1P128544926RAD0205P2355L42BL52BL6C1-2.png) (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/1P128544926RAD0205P2355L42BL52BL6C1-2.png)
Nice post.
But interesting rocks just the same. they look sedimentary like limestone.
I enjoy looking back at the older images also. For some reason spirit images seemed so much clearer than opportunity. I will post some interesting photos of pathfinder as well in the coming weeks.
Keep up the good work! 8)
ArMaP said, "What makes you think that that's something anomalous and not just some rocks?
(Yes, I know, I am one of those "just rocks" guys )"
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Well, the two that I put question marks on, do look like types of rocks, for sure, but both have what look like (to me) unusual features.
The little white object with the little black sphere, now that is a little cutie! I don't know why it is there, in the photo, but it is easy to see it, if one really looks, sitting there between the rocks. No way to know what this is, nor why it is there, in the pic.
There is at least one other anomaly in this mosaic photo that I will post in a reply later.
Thanks for the additional pics!
Quote from: taintedsample on June 02, 2012, 02:15:32 AM
Nice post.
But interesting rocks just the same. they look sedimentary like limestone.
I enjoy looking back at the older images also. For some reason spirit images seemed so much clearer than opportunity. I will post some interesting photos of pathfinder as well in the coming weeks.
Keep up the good work! 8)
Thanks tainted! Yes, this area seems to have a considerable amount of stone! When you see areas like this though, keep your eyes open, and be on the lookout. That is because, in some areas, the Rover's work contains pics of what have the look of rock, but may actually be some type of carpet material, used to drape over stuff to protect it from the elements! Right now, I am just say'in, but I will post some "carpet pic examples" for everyone in the days and weeks ahead. And they will be difficult to disavow!!
I will be looking forward to the posts you mentioned!
BTW, I am going to start a separate thread soon entitled "Possible NASA Photo Tampering. This would give all of us a place to post our examples/proof of what has happened to some of the photos we have the opportunity to see, and when we can recognize obvious differences in identical photo objects and locations. And, FWTW, I can tell you now, that this photo here (in this OP) will be featured in one of the posts in that thread!
Thanks for your comments!
Quote from: rdunk on June 02, 2012, 03:22:29 AM
Well, the two that I put question marks on, do look like types of rocks, for sure, but both have what look like (to me) unusual features.
What features do you find unusual?
QuoteThe little white object with the little black sphere, now that is a little cutie!
I think that's part of the rock in the background, I will look for other photos of those rocks.
Edit: I think it may even be a shadow, as all shadows are in the same relative position.
Quote from: ArMaP on June 02, 2012, 01:34:08 PM
What features do you find unusual?
I think that's part of the rock in the background, I will look for other photos of those rocks.
Edit: I think it may even be a shadow, as all shadows are in the same relative position.
Hello ArMaP! Thanks for the comments. The background rocks that I put ?? marks on - to me the look a little more complex, than the typical rock, which could be indicative of some type of special use.
I would say that your "shadow " comment on the little black Sphere might be a bit of a stretch. Shadows do require a "shadow generator.subject of some sort, and there does not appear to be one there in this pic, for the sphere. All of the seeable shadows are an objects left side (our right).
Regarding other pics you are going to look for, there are many, and some you will find are "entirely different". That is why I have already mentioned the possibility of "photo tampering" in an earlier reply. In some of the later pics, the little black sphere is gone!! But all of this along with other examples, will be presented in a separate "Photo Tampering" thread.
I downloaded SOL3_MOSAIC_RIGHT-B003R1
Image properties 7450x1122 pixels 72 dpi
I increased the dpi from 72 to 300, resulting in 31042x4675 pixels
The image below in my opinion is a rock with a protruding shadow and not a sphere on the rock outcropping below.
(http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m623/Sgt_Rocknroll/Marsrocks.png)
Quote from: rdunk on June 02, 2012, 02:28:21 PM
Hello ArMaP! Thanks for the comments. The background rocks that I put ?? marks on - to me the look a little more complex, than the typical rock, which could be indicative of some type of special use.
To me they look like sedimentary rocks, like shale.
QuoteI would say that your "shadow " comment on the little black Sphere might be a bit of a stretch. Shadows do require a "shadow generator.subject of some sort, and there does not appear to be one there in this pic, for the sphere. All of the seeable shadows are an objects left side (our right).
I don't think so, look at the zoomed in image below.
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/Image19.jpg)
You can see that the shadow of the other rock is being cast in the same direction as the shadow that you called "black sphere".
QuoteRegarding other pics you are going to look for, there are many, and some you will find are "entirely different". That is why I have already mentioned the possibility of "photo tampering" in an earlier reply. In some of the later pics, the little black sphere is gone!! But all of this along with other examples, will be presented in a separate "Photo Tampering" thread.
The "black sphere" is gone because the Sun is in a different position, so the shadows changed.
No need of tampering for that.
As I like these photos, here is a closer view from Sol 15 of those rocks, first the NASA version, then my version.
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/1P129517609RAD0312P2378L4L5L6C1-1.png) (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/1P129517609RAD0312P2378L4L5L6C1-1.png)
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/1P129517609RAD0312P2378L4L5L6C1-2.png) (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/1P129517609RAD0312P2378L4L5L6C1-2.png)
As usual, click for full size. :)
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on June 02, 2012, 03:23:05 PM
The image below in my opinion is a rock with a protruding shadow and not a sphere on the rock outcropping below.
That's exactly what I think that photo shows. :)
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on June 02, 2012, 03:23:05 PM
I downloaded SOL3_MOSAIC_RIGHT-B003R1
Image properties 7450x1122 pixels 72 dpi
I increased the dpi from 72 to 300, resulting in 31042x4675 pixels
The image below in my opinion is a rock with a protruding shadow and not a sphere on the rock outcropping below.
Sgt, thanks for your effort. However I see no "round generator" around that rock that would make a spherical shadow. The photos show the sphere pretty clearly. To me, it does seem to be on the top of the small white piece, rather that farther back and on the edge of the bigger rock.
Of course, you may be right....but as you will see in a future thread, someone went to significant effort, to really change how these rocks actually look.
Quote from: ArMaP on June 02, 2012, 04:12:41 PM
To me they look like sedimentary rocks, like shale.
I don't think so, look at the zoomed in image below.
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r66/armap/Image19-1.jpg)
You can see that the shadow of the other rock is being cast in the same direction as the shadow that you called "black sphere".
The "black sphere" is gone because the Sun is in a different position, so the shadows changed.
No need of tampering for that.
As I like these photos, here is a closer view from Sol 15 of those rocks, first the NASA version, then my version.
Yes, ArMaP, you did find some of the really changed photos, and there are more showing same. Nope, that is not just a simple difference in position of the Sun that makes the rocks look eons older, and different. And, yes, as I said, these will be a part of the tampering thread, along with several others, when I get around to doing that!
Quote from: rdunk on June 02, 2012, 04:39:30 PM
Nope, that is not just a simple difference in position of the Sun that makes the rocks look eons older, and different.
The rocks look "older"? ???
In which photo?
ArMaP, I will be addressing the "rocks" in a future Tampering" thread, so, lets not go into that here. There is just too much photo difference to not give it the attention deserved. There are numerous different Photo Sol days with the black sphere there, and there are multiple later Sol days days with it not there. Just very strange to have even the rocks very different, besides the sphere not there?? Well, we will discuss in the latter thread!
Thanks!
Quote from: rdunk on June 02, 2012, 10:04:08 PM
ArMaP, I will be addressing the "rocks" in a future Tampering" thread, so, lets not go into that here.
I thought those rocks were the topic of this thread, but if don't want to discuss then I will stop talking about them, even if I don't understand why.
The topic of this thread is "White Object With Small Black Sphere on Top". And this item was specifically identified in the screenshot I posted. I did include a couple of ?'s to rocks in the photo, but they were not in the subject of this post.
I had already viewed the several sol days of photos of this area, and had already seen, that the sphere goes away, in the later photos, and the look of the rocks are drastically changed, for some reason. That will all be just one part of the future Tampering post, as I have several examples, including the one I recently posted in a reply re: the oval white object the crater sand dunes.
Quote from: rdunk on June 02, 2012, 04:31:10 PM
Sgt, thanks for your effort. However I see no "round generator" around that rock that would make a spherical shadow. The photos show the sphere pretty clearly. To me, it does seem to be on the top of the small white piece, rather that farther back and on the edge of the bigger rock.
Of course, you may be right....but as you will see in a future thread, someone went to significant effort, to really change how these rocks actually look.
I totally disagree that it shows a sphere at all! I've zoomed in pretty close and i don't see a sphere. Your whole arguement is based that there is a sphere, and there just isn't one. Imo.
It is a little strange to think one has to zoom way in to see the sphere, when it is very clear to the plain eye in the pics!
Oh well, we can agree to disagree!
Yep you see what you see. :)
Quote from: rdunk on June 03, 2012, 04:00:52 AM
It is a little strange to think one has to zoom way in to see the sphere, when it is very clear to the plain eye in the pics!
It's not strange at all, as the "sphere" is very small.
Look at the image below, if it was a sphere over the other rock, where is the sphere's shadow? It should have some shadow to the right and the bottom of the image, like all other rocks have.
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/1P128544926RAD0205P2355L4C1-1_1.png)
PS: as you can see, I resized the image with no resampling, all the pixels were resized instead of creating new pixels to make for a better looking image. Obviously, I didn't use a JPEG version of the image, that would have been a big mistake. :)
ArMaP, an over blown image like that is pretty much useless. in posting anomalous objects, one wants to use the best photos available, and that is what I posted, and what I expect any interested party would want to see. You are doing a lot of work with this photo, to try make it appear that little anomaly just doesn't exist. Of course, in your overblown photo, nothing exists but ghostly images! :)
The anomaly pic is what is, in its "natural state". It does show a little black spherical object on its top. I guess it could be a spherical shadow, which would be a strange thing. Or it could be a spherical glob of Martian mud, blown in from a recent rainstorm. (?) Or, maybe it is just a spherical pile of Martian bird poop! :))
Actually, I do have a Rover pic of a "feathered bird" lying on the Martian surface, that I will post one of these days.
Also, there is anther very small and insignificant anomalous object in the same general area of this OP, that I will add in another reply to this post shortly.
Quote from: rdunk on June 03, 2012, 06:02:30 PM
ArMaP, an over blown image like that is pretty much useless.
Not if the resizing resized the pixels, as in that case the image looks exactly like the original, only bigger.
Quotein posting anomalous objects, one wants to use the best photos available, and that is what I posted, and what I expect any interested party would want to see.
The image you posted is far from the best, as it has too much compression.
The image below is one of the best I can find.
(click for full size)
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r66/armap/1P128544926RAD0205P2355L4C1-1.png) (http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r66/armap/1P128544926RAD0205P2355L4C1-1.png)
As you can see it's not as blurry as the one you posted.
QuoteYou are doing a lot of work with this photo, to try make it appear that little anomaly just doesn't exist.
No, I am not trying to make it appear as if what you call an anomaly doesn't exist, I am trying to show that it really doesn't exist, it's different. :)
QuoteOf course, in your overblown photo, nothing exists but ghostly images! :)
Then look at the image I posted above, and you will see that it shows exactly the same thing as my resized image.
QuoteThe anomaly pic is what is, in its "natural state".
No, the anomaly pic is a worthless, blurry version of a good image. As you said, using the best version possible is the best way of not being fooled by bad images.
QuoteIt does show a little black spherical object on its top.
No, it's not really spherical or even circular, as you can see if you zoom in on the image.
QuoteI guess it could be a spherical shadow, which would be a strange thing.
It's not spherical, and it looks like a shadow. If it was a real object it would have its own shadows, which it doesn't have.
QuoteOr it could be a spherical glob of Martian mud, blown in from a recent rainstorm. (?) Or, maybe it is just a spherical pile of Martian bird poop! :))
It's not spherical. :)
QuoteActually, I do have a Rover pic of a "feathered bird" lying on the Martian surface, that I will post one of these days.
I hope you have a good version of that pic and not one as bad as this one.
QuoteAlso, there is anther very small and insignificant anomalous object in the same general area of this OP, that I will add in another reply to this post shortly.
Just confirm it's existence in the better image instead of relying on that fuzzy one. :)
Not worthy of comment, because I accept little of what you say here! Thanks!
Quote from: rdunk on June 03, 2012, 08:21:18 PM
Not worthy of comment, because I accept little of what you say here! Thanks!
Well, then I guess you are losing an opportunity (no pun intended) of learning something.
I guess this thread has run its course, so I will wait for the next one. :)
Y'know... I am an anomaly lover. But on this photo, I have to side with ArMaP. Looking at all the imagery given on both sides here, I have say that is a shadow. And not an unusual one, either.
There are other photos though... Anomalous as all getout.
Quote from: Amaterasu on June 04, 2012, 02:51:13 AM
Y'know... I am an anomaly lover. But on this photo, I have to side with ArMaP. Looking at all the imagery given on both sides here, I have say that is a shadow. And not an unusual one, either.
There are other photos though... Anomalous as all getout.
Hey Amaterasu, that is surely just fine. That is, as long as you understand, that is always "the side" that Armap is always on, always is the skeptic, and always taking the skeptic position. I really don't mean that to be disrespectful", as Armap openly admits that position, and it is always obvious in the replies.
So, I just take anything said from that position with a big grain of salt, and move on. As there are plenty of Mars anomalies to satisfy the notion of a civilization having been there, we anomaly posters will just continue to post what the photos show, for all to see.
And as NASA has proven, the photos can be distorted to however someone wishes to make them appear, if they choose to do that.
I do enjoy everyone's comments! But the only skepticism I have is......................I am very skeptical of skeptics!!! ;) ;) ;D
Quote from: rdunk on June 04, 2012, 03:33:49 AM
Hey Amaterasu, that is surely just fine. That is, as long as you understand, that is always "the side" that Armap is always on, always is the skeptic, and always taking the skeptic position. I really don't mean that to be disrespectful", as Armap openly admits that position, and it is always obvious in the replies.
So, I just take anything said from that position with a big grain of salt, and move on. As there are plenty of Mars anomalies to satisfy the notion of a civilization having been there, we anomaly posters will just continue to post what the photos show, for all to see.
And as NASA has proven, the photos can be distorted to however someone wishes to make them appear, if they choose to do that.
I do enjoy everyone's comments! But the only skepticism I have is......................I am very skeptical of skeptics!!! ;) ;) ;D
Oh, yes. I have been involved with ArMaP in discussions regarding things that I was certain were anomalous and He was equally sure were not. And have heard (read) Him state that He does not believe any anomalies exist as evidence of something not as it is being reported as. I contemplate that stance when I have seen NASA photos with blatant editing - and I do mean I could do a far better job of hiding things. But, ArMaP is cool anyway, and has His mind made up. [smile]
Quote from: Amaterasu on June 04, 2012, 04:52:49 AM
Oh, yes. I have been involved with ArMaP in discussions regarding things that I was certain were anomalous and He was equally sure were not. And have heard (read) Him state that He does not believe any anomalies exist as evidence of something not as it is being reported as. I contemplate that stance when I have seen NASA photos with blatant editing - and I do mean I could do a far better job of hiding things. But, ArMaP is cool anyway, and has His mind made up. [smile]
I totally agree - Armap us "cool", and I am glad he is here with us! Maybe we can have an anomaly that will win him over one of these days. Although, some of my previous posts here are very very strong anomalies, they, so far, certainly have not "won him over"! :))
Quote from: rdunk on June 04, 2012, 06:21:21 AM
I totally agree - Armap us "cool", and I am glad he is here with us! Maybe we can have an anomaly that will win him over one of these days. Although, some of my previous posts here are very very strong anomalies, they, so far, certainly have not "won him over"! :))
I surely hope so. [smile]
Quote from: rdunk on June 04, 2012, 03:33:49 AM
That is, as long as you understand, that is always "the side" that Armap is always on, always is the skeptic, and always taking the skeptic position. I really don't mean that to be disrespectful", as Armap openly admits that position, and it is always obvious in the replies.
Sure I admit is, as it's the truth, and, from my point of view, the only honest position one can have, as it just means that I have doubts about anything. As I have those doubts I cannot really say "that's a shadow", I can only say "it looks like a shadow to me".
QuoteSo, I just take anything said from that position with a big grain of salt, and move on.
If you are interested in the truth you shouldn't take a sceptical position with a big grain of salt unless you do that to all positions, including yours, as you risk ignoring all other positions and only accept yours, that may be wrong.
QuoteAs there are plenty of Mars anomalies to satisfy the notion of a civilization having been there, we anomaly posters will just continue to post what the photos show, for all to see.
And I, as a fan of Mars photos and as someone interested in knowing as much as possible about Mars (in this case), I thank everybody for the photos posted, as I don't have the time to look at all the photos.
QuoteAnd as NASA has proven, the photos can be distorted to however someone wishes to make them appear, if they choose to do that.
Unfortunately, that applies to everyone. Once I went looking through a list of manipulated images from the Moon, and all except two of the manipulated versions were on private sites, with NASA showing only two manipulated photos in a site directed more to the general public than to the scientific public, on those I have never seen a sign of manipulation.
QuoteI do enjoy everyone's comments! But the only skepticism I have is......................I am very skeptical of skeptics!!! ;) ;) ;D
So am I. :)
Quote from: Amaterasu on June 04, 2012, 04:52:49 AM
But, ArMaP is cool anyway, and has His mind made up. [smile]
Thanks for that. :)
My mind is only made up in thinking that I cannot really know what things are like in another planet (I cannot even know that on this planet), so I always start from what looks like the simpler answer, something I have been doing all my life with everything, not just photos from other planets.
Quote from: rdunk on June 04, 2012, 06:21:21 AM
I totally agree - Armap us "cool", and I am glad he is here with us!
Thanks. :)
QuoteMaybe we can have an anomaly that will win him over one of these days.
There's no "win me over", as I don't see this as a question of being on one side or on the other, to me there are only things that look easily explained and things that do not.
For some things I do not have any explanation, and in those cases I say that. One of those cases was the photo posted by taintedsample on the "Mars Opportunity anomalies".
Armap, what you said is very well spoken. I know you do try awfully hard to dig out what is in the photos, and I do appreciate your staying involved!
As the PRC continues to grow, we are going to have more "anomaly folks" here, to help us with this research. I am certainly looking forward to more good revelations about the "truth of Mars", and about the proofs of life there at some point, if not there in the present.