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I think i know what my problem is.  I don't fit in here.  It's no one's fault, i'm just an odd cookie.  I don't really have a nitch.   There's not a box that i truly fit into, so I end up with folks like you who think out of the box as well, but you seem to think my thinking out of the box is not thinking out of the box but rather same old same old.  Ah well  I should be use to it by now, but every so often i give it another try.  The end result of realizing i'm a weird lil gal, is to panic and blame everyone else. 

This here be why I'm kinda out of synch with PRC and have my own lilttle glitch in the matrix.  I like many of the same topics as people here do, but i have this little annoying thing that drives people bonkers:  i actually believe the bible and other ancient texts are legit, that jesus was a real guy who was who he said he was, and that christians can't possibly, as a group, be any worse than any other subsection of humanity. 

Anyway, i apologize for not realizing this sooner and for taking it out on all of you.   Shoulda recognized the signs, and quietly snuck from the room, but eh i made a big mess and thought i'd better clear it up before I exited stage left. 

Sooooo, don't take any of my prior comments personally.  Think of it as a lesson for future encounters:  see a christian freaking out?  probably feeling like a loner and not wanting to.  Takes a bit of adapting, to be honest.  But i'm a big girl, nearly 55, so I think the adaptation is way over due!  And in my case, the adapting requires, nay demands, I say goodbye to the people at PRC. not because you're wrong or bad or mean or anything else but because i'm different in the wrong ways!

Have a good one!

Quote from: undo11 on July 06, 2012, 10:25:29 AM
It's no one's fault, i'm just an odd cookie. 

Like the rest of us. You have to be slightly unusual to hang around forums like this (or paid to do it). :)

Quote from: undo11 on July 06, 2012, 10:25:29 AM
but you seem to think my thinking out of the box is not thinking out of the box but rather same old same old.

On the contrary. I think you have a problem with how some of us think out of the box.

Quote from: undo11 on July 06, 2012, 10:25:29 AM
The end result of realizing i'm a weird lil gal, is to panic and blame everyone else. 

We are to blame for how we think to an extent.

Quote from: undo11 on July 06, 2012, 10:25:29 AM
I like many of the same topics as people here do, but i have this little annoying thing that drives people bonkers:

What drives me bonkers is how you communicate that thing.

Quote from: undo11 on July 06, 2012, 10:25:29 AM
i actually believe the bible and other ancient texts are legit,

They are as legit as any other.  That doesn't make any one interpretation of them fact.

Quote from: undo11 on July 06, 2012, 10:25:29 AM
that jesus was a real guy who was who he said he was,

He was probably a person and partly a mythological figure too.  He was a son of God.  However, if God created us all, then we are ALL SONS AND DAUGHTERS OF GOD.  Also if God is all and everywhere then we are all part of God and God is in us all.  In this regard Jesus was a man and a child of God - like you and me.

Quote from: undo11 on July 06, 2012, 10:25:29 AM
and that christians can't possibly, as a group, be any worse than any other subsection of humanity. 

Agreed.  That does not mean that people don't do bad things because they are Christians.  Look at the crusades for example.  By the same token, Muslims are are no worse collectively as a subset.  However, Muslims sometimes do bad things because the are muslims like blow themselves up to murder innocent people or murder their daughter for marrying a Christian.  British and Americal people sometimes do bad things because they are Brits or Americans too, like drop nukes on Japan.  Does that make them collectively Evil? NO BUT IT IS STILL THE TRUTH, EVEN IF YOU HATE ME FOR SAYING IT.

Quote from: undo11 on July 06, 2012, 10:25:29 AM
Anyway, i apologize for not realizing this sooner and for taking it out on all of you.

Apology accepted. :)

Quote from: undo11 on July 06, 2012, 10:25:29 AM
Sooooo, don't take any of my prior comments personally.

I personally, only took comments about me to be personal.  That sentiment remains.  However, I completely forgive you and don't need to be religious to do so. ;)

Quote from: undo11 on July 06, 2012, 10:25:29 AMThink of it as a lesson for future encounters:  see a christian freaking out?  probably feeling like a loner and not wanting to.

Don't worry, there are literally hundreds of millions of Christians around.  No need to feel lonely.

It is folks who speak the truth about religion that tend to be in the minority.  Not because they are the only ones who know the truth.  It is just that they are afraid to speak the truth because they fear being persecuted, treated badly or upsetting people who don't like to hear it.  Look what happened here because I so much as posted an article containing the mere suggestion that the actions of some people at NASA were motivated by their religion.

"Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing bad things, but for good people to do bad things, it takes religion."- Richard Dawkins

Quote from: undo11 on July 06, 2012, 10:25:29 AM
Think of it as a lesson for future encounters:  see a christian freaking out?

And I will never allow it to stop me from speaking my mind or telling the public the truth about religion or anything else.  For that I make no apology nor will I ever do so.

Quote from: undo11 on July 06, 2012, 10:25:29 AM
Takes a bit of adapting, to be honest.  But i'm a big girl, nearly 55, so I think the adaptation is way over due!  And in my case, the adapting requires, nay demands, I say goodbye to the people at PRC. not because you're wrong or bad or mean or anything else but because i'm different in the wrong ways!

I hope this isn't goodbye.  However, if you need a break from the craziness that PRC can be, you have my best wishes.

Quote from: undo11 on July 06, 2012, 10:25:29 AM
I think i know what my problem is.  I don't fit in here.

I think you do, if we look at the forum and not the users. :)

QuoteIt's no one's fault, i'm just an odd cookie.  I don't really have a nitch.   There's not a box that i truly fit into, so I end up with folks like you who think out of the box as well, but you seem to think my thinking out of the box is not thinking out of the box but rather same old same old.

That's a problem I have seen in many people, instead of thinking out of the box (I hate this expression) they think inside a different one, and do not accept well people that think inside the "old box" or that mix the "old box" with thinking from other boxes or even really out of all other boxes, but not inside the box they chose.

QuoteAh well  I should be use to it by now, but every so often i give it another try.  The end result of realizing i'm a weird lil gal, is to panic and blame everyone else.

That's where I think you should try to rethink (if possible) the way you react to these situations, as I have seen that happen several times.

Don't take things too personal, most of the things we write on a forum wouldn't be said in front of the other person in real life, as we would see from the way they were reacting how they were accepting or not what we were saying, and we could be interrupted or interrupt the other person to stop the conversation from going further and further in the wrong direction.

Quotei actually believe the bible and other ancient texts are legit, that jesus was a real guy who was who he said he was, and that christians can't possibly, as a group, be any worse than any other subsection of humanity.

We have had our discussions, but if you think about it, religion has never been a problem. If an atheist like me can discuss any topic without being "affected" by religion, anyone should be able to do it. :)

QuoteAnd in my case, the adapting requires, nay demands, I say goodbye to the people at PRC. not because you're wrong or bad or mean or anything else but because i'm different in the wrong ways!

There's no right or wrong way of being different, just the right or wrong way of accepting people that are different from us.

I hope to "see" you soon, here or anywhere else. :)

Undo....

You are one heck of a wonderful woman.

And I believe that Jesus would consider you his friend.

As for not fitting in?  Who really does? What does " fitting in" mean? That we all have to conform? You know yourself better than most of us know our own personalities.... I find you brave at doing that.... not sure all of us could do that the way you have here.

This thing about being " inside the box or thinking outside of the box.... to me.... that's a frame of reference that is false to begin with..... THERE IS NO BOX.

I used to worry about you because I knew that the "Mikado Effect" would search you out and target you..that's why I kept harping on your " flashing red button" and at the time you couldn't understand what I was trying to say....I feel badly that I didn't do a better job of trying to reach you.....

.. but look what you have done!.... beaten that technology and survived and come out of it stronger and I would say.... nearly immune.! Because once a personality like yours recognizes what has been going on.... there is no damping you down ever again!

If you stay with this Forum they will be blessed beyond measure. If you decide to move to another venue.... then the forces that would keep you silent have an enormous problem on their hands.

I love it. My Dad would say....." More Power to you!"

Linda

Quote from: undo11 on July 06, 2012, 10:25:29 AM
I think i know what my problem is.  I don't fit in here.  It's no one's fault, i'm just an odd cookie.  I don't really have a nitch.   There's not a box that i truly fit into, so I end up with folks like you who think out of the box as well, but you seem to think my thinking out of the box is not thinking out of the box but rather same old same old.  Ah well  I should be use to it by now, but every so often i give it another try.  The end result of realizing i'm a weird lil gal, is to panic and blame everyone else. 

This here be why I'm kinda out of synch with PRC and have my own lilttle glitch in the matrix.  I like many of the same topics as people here do, but i have this little annoying thing that drives people bonkers:  i actually believe the bible and other ancient texts are legit, that jesus was a real guy who was who he said he was, and that christians can't possibly, as a group, be any worse than any other subsection of humanity. 

I believe the bible as well but I don't praise the bible, I believe there is a difference. As to other ancient texts, I believe what is written in the ones I have read, thus my interest in Sitchin. As to Jesus, I too believe he was real and I too believe he performed miracles as well but some times miracles are what the witnesses claim. Jesus said that we too cold perform miracles, I believe that.

Quote from: undo11 on July 06, 2012, 10:25:29 AMAnyway, i apologize for not realizing this sooner and for taking it out on all of you.   Shoulda recognized the signs, and quietly snuck from the room, but eh i made a big mess and thought i'd better clear it up before I exited stage left. 

Sooooo, don't take any of my prior comments personally.  Think of it as a lesson for future encounters:  see a christian freaking out?  probably feeling like a loner and not wanting to.  Takes a bit of adapting, to be honest.  But i'm a big girl, nearly 55, so I think the adaptation is way over due!  And in my case, the adapting requires, nay demands, I say goodbye to the people at PRC. not because you're wrong or bad or mean or anything else but because i'm different in the wrong ways!

Have a good one!

I regret your leaving...wish you would reconsider. I would have enjoyed so very much to have completed reading your books and then to openly discuss them on this forum. There is history in those writings and those that fail to remember history are doomed to repeat it.

I wish the best for you and yours and hope you will reconsider but all the best...and I hope you stay a survivor.

Mikado

Quote from: undo11 on July 06, 2012, 10:25:29 AM
I think i know what my problem is.  I don't fit in here.  It's no one's fault, i'm just an odd cookie.  I don't really have a nitch.   There's not a box that i truly fit into, so I end up with folks like you who think out of the box as well, but you seem to think my thinking out of the box is not thinking out of the box but rather same old same old.  Ah well  I should be use to it by now, but every so often i give it another try.  The end result of realizing i'm a weird lil gal, is to panic and blame everyone else. 

This here be why I'm kinda out of synch with PRC and have my own lilttle glitch in the matrix.  I like many of the same topics as people here do, but i have this little annoying thing that drives people bonkers:  i actually believe the bible and other ancient texts are legit, that jesus was a real guy who was who he said he was, and that christians can't possibly, as a group, be any worse than any other subsection of humanity. 

Anyway, i apologize for not realizing this sooner and for taking it out on all of you.   Shoulda recognized the signs, and quietly snuck from the room, but eh i made a big mess and thought i'd better clear it up before I exited stage left. 

Sooooo, don't take any of my prior comments personally.  Think of it as a lesson for future encounters:  see a christian freaking out?  probably feeling like a loner and not wanting to.  Takes a bit of adapting, to be honest.  But i'm a big girl, nearly 55, so I think the adaptation is way over due!  And in my case, the adapting requires, nay demands, I say goodbye to the people at PRC. not because you're wrong or bad or mean or anything else but because i'm different in the wrong ways!

Have a good one!

I don't think you should leave just because you hold certain beliefs.....

I would like you to remain strong and not be too affected by the slings and arrows.....i find your input to be interesting and quite frankly the more perspectives the better IMHO.

Hopefully being a woman your feelings will change...... in what ....oh 20 mins.. ;D

Don't bail out...just go for a walk or something.

Cosmic..

UNDO11.
Baby PLEASE don't go.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7qNnyF3wtQ
hobbit

Just heard this, Undo, and I must say...please reconsider if it is at all possible.

I still hold that day dear when you showed me the path to a different me, and helped me make a move for the positive months ago, and regardless of the outcome here, you will always have a place deep in my heart and thoughts.

Even with your great and vast knowledge of many subjects, you came across as a regular gal, with a desire to find the meaning behind everything you took into your wheelhouse, and you will be missed by many here, more than you may realize.

If not to stay, I wish you the very best and your family as well, and keep that survival instinct burning in you, Beth, its what sets you apart from the pack!

With Enormous respect, Be Well!
Dave

Undo,

I am new here and haven't had the privilege of knowing you like the others have; but I, too, would ask you to reconsider and stay.

Our views on Christianity are close, and I would learn more from your knowledge on StarGates.

Please, Beth, as one square peg to another: please stay.

J

The StarGates information is important to all of us Beth especially now....and you are the one holding the most information. Don't let yourself be sidelined..... or marginalized.... that wouldn't be right.   Linda

Hello undo! Well, every day is a new day, for everyone of us, until, there are no more days. And every day we are faced with things different from yesterday. You want to leave this place, well fine! You want to stay, and to be a part of things, well fine!

But whether you leave or stay, will not bring to you the "peace" of God, that he has for you, and wants you to have. And that "peace", His "peace", is what each of us need as Christians. The reason we need it is so that we can live and grow as Christians, in a very "un-Christian" world. The "revelation/understanding" of what God's peace really means to us, and to our lives with those around us really is "life changing".

When we are able to live in the peace of God, what others say, Christian or non-Christian, falls from us like water on a ducks back. And, don't worry about what anyone else might say about God's Word, because God is able tto tke care of such-like himself.

There is a scripiture that discusses "taking every thought captive" - look it up, and study that. Look up what God says and means about his peace, Think about the fact that Jesus pretty much sets a pattern for us,  living in this world, but not being a part of the world.

Undo, as Christians, we are blessed with the Victory, and nothing, NOT ANY THING, anyone might say, will have any impact or effect on that truth. When we fully understand that, as truth, then we can begin to walk in peace daily, in our everyday lives with others, and have fun all of the way "home"!!!

You do whatever you like, but just know that things that come into our lives often have spiritual meaning and significance, providing potential for spiritual growth, depending upon our response to it!!

 

hey thanks everybody. 

i think my decision is the right one, for the sake of the peace on the forum.  even if i didn't say anything, i'd be over here having an argument with myself about saying something and i'd be miserable.  i know myself well enough.

you probably just didn't notice as much on ATS because there were 50 other people just like me, fussing about similar things.  and ats encourages that kind of interaction, whereas prc is trying to avoid it. 

trust me, i made the right choice. you'll thank me later. lol 

in the meantime,  enjoy!

Much love and hugs, Beth, comin your way!
Le

Hello Miss Undo, I don't think we ever had the pleasure of debating or discussing anything yet but I happened to stumble on this thread and it made me feel kinda of sad. I hope you get to read this before you retire You are 2 years my younger so I guess we had a similar upbringing in the times.

Religion and politics are the 2 hardest things to post about. Half the people want to pray and the other half what to bring out the cross. Politics is a close second. There are a number of religious sites on the web that might be right up your alley. I did want to find out more about your stargates when I had the time.

Is not having a nitch a nitch of its own? And if they ever put me in a box then I will try to cut the walls down. these are two things you will have to figure out where ever you go.

Good luck on your new adventures.   Deuem

Hello Undo,

I am a great Lurker, and have lurked a lot from you. My english is a blur sometimes, I could have missed some here and there.  :-[
I think its wonderful you are a true Christian and have the most open mind to some very interesting ideas and subjects. It says a lot, really...
I know its for most Christians difficult to explore these worlds because in some way there are to many contradictions in all the info and ideas.
For me it makes it a real open mind.

I dont call me a Christian. I dont go to church any more, I swear sometimes :-[ . And dont use it in my ordinary life.
But yes, also I believe in a lot of things of the bible (mainly the new testament). I surely believe in Jesus and the things he has done...
And there is one God for me.

It still does give me all the room to believe in:

-All sorts of astral travel (really going out of the body... I know what i am talking about 8))
-Astral projection (seeing things, but still here! ;) )
-Aliens (from other solar systems)
-Ghosts (not aliens... but mostly diseased people which are hanging in between )
-Angels (those guys with the wings from the bible, entities from a higher order in the astral world presenting in that way for us)
-Guids (the ones some people are aware of, most of people have three of them, no wings here btw)
-God (yes... the "person"who is in charge...  ;) )
-Allah (Its the same "person"!)
-Almost all the high tech out of this world technology.
-Stargates! They found one... Not operational yet btw  8)
-Life on Mars, venus etc...

Well, I am presenting this, since I am also on my own in My view of it all. Like everyone having his/her ways to see things. But I can still believe in Jesus, in my way;)
I think you only would make a choice like this if you are really certain about this. Respect for it!

Greetings Lunica!

i just wanted to reply to lunica and others who think it's easy for me to just go to a christian forum.  just to give you some idea why that would not be any better and perhaps even worse, consider that my mom in law was gonna throw me out of her house because i wasn't sure about how the rapture doctrine in the bible should be read. 

my sister in law, banned me from her forum because i said that homosexuality wasn't any worse than obesity, and that the point was to be good to your body because it is the temple of god and because it increases your quality of life. she felt homosexuality was worse than obesity.  neither obesity nor homosexuality are healthy lifestyles. they both may be genetically coded, but the idea is to try to rise above those conditions for the sake of your physical and emotional health. 

so yeah, and they were family members.  just imagine what it would be like if they aren't family members. :D it'd be just like the response people here had to my criticism of the nasa lawsuit guy, just with a different approach. 

and the common denominators in all that are:

1) if i believe my position on a topic is correct, it takes something like logic and reason to convince me otherwise. at the very least, some modicum of evidence to the contrary. if instead i'm met with arguments that have nothing to do with the actual topic, i need a reason for why the actual topic is being accepted as so obvious that talking about it is not even worth expending energy, when otherwise, most topics of that magnitude are gone over with a fine tooth comb and all parts of it are acceptable topics.

2) if it has all the earmarkings of a genocide just waiting to happen, i get real ticked off cause i've had it up to here (raises hand over head) with the whole genocidal thing (not to mention, believing there's a good guy who came to visit us, taught us that all are equal, did away with slavery, empowered women, taught charity, forgiveness, kindness and patience, that should not be considered a crime against humanity lol ).

and now i realize i have to forgive my mom in law and sister in law.  i'll go work on that now :D

eek, and i have to forgive pimander and linda etc, too.

oopsie. i'm getting old. sorry folks.

i said this scenario wasn't your fault and it was not.  i just don't fit.  round hole, square peg or something like that.

From one odd cookie to another, just remember not to crumble.  I'm a practicing witch from a family of Catholics and Mormons.  I follow the path that I have been called to follow, and I firmly believe in the existence of a spiritual ecosystem.  I had a great conversation with a young Muslim girl a few weeks ago.  She was well educated and passionate about her beliefs.  Just keep being your idiosyncratic self.

Shasta

Quote from: Shasta56 on July 08, 2012, 01:40:39 AM
From one odd cookie to another, just remember not to crumble.  I'm a practicing witch from a family of Catholics and Mormons.  I follow the path that I have been called to follow, and I firmly believe in the existence of a spiritual ecosystem.  I had a great conversation with a young Muslim girl a few weeks ago.  She was well educated and passionate about her beliefs.  Just keep being your idiosyncratic self.

Shasta

interesting combination of religions.  the catholics believe the pope is the final word and the mormons think the president of the mormon church is the final word. 

did you see that video at ats called I, PET GOAT II ?
here it is. strap on your seat belt. this is one heckuva
video and deserves its own thread at prc, i think

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_OawJA68jI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_OawJA68jI

Quote from: undo11 on July 06, 2012, 10:25:29 AM
I think i know what my problem is.  I don't fit in here.

Quote from: ArMaP on July 06, 2012, 02:05:28 PM
I think you do, if we look at the forum and not the users. :)

Yes, I agree with ArMap!

No one here is going to agree on everything, and sure enough
there will be all kinds of issues with everyone!

:D

So....Undo, dont go! Please stay!

:-*

A Forum is the Modern Tower of Babble

Everyone speaks but no one understands

Someone makes a post about a Lost Mayan City and the first response is dealing with Viktor Schauberger and NAZI vortex energy

You know how many times I see a presentation by a member and people say "Nice idea BUT I believe its this way.." then the next person has a third theory. By the end of page two no one even knows what the point of the OP was.  When NASA says "Stargates are Real" and not one person caught that, we have the Tower of Babble

Everyone in a forum has a different believe. You can put three Muslims in a room and find three different interpretations of the religion.

Even Secret Societies like the Rosicrucians have different factions.. AMORC on the Light Side Aleister Crowly and the Golden Dawn on the Dark side... like Jedi's and Sith's

I spent many years talking to religious leaders of many sects.  I ran into two types... Those that give the attitude.."Its not ours to question the Word"  and those that take the time to discuss it rationally. And they listen to your views and at the end you say "Interesting conversation" and shake hands, whether you agree or not

Oddly enough the later type were higher up in the hierarchy that the former type.

Any discussion that even hints at the word religion will stir the pot. Until the world settles into ONE global religion. there will never be agreement.  America is supposed to be a mixing bowl of all religions.

Be nice if we could stir that bowl here without the lumps :D

A Tibetan Motto

"A Thousand Monks, A Thousand Religions"

There is not only one truth :D

I tend to equate lumps with speedbumps.  I don't like them, but they exist.  In my conversation with the Muslim girl, the one thing we completely agreed on was tolerance.  As I said, I have a firm belief in a spiritual ecosystem.  A physical ecosystem requires variety in order to exist.  I believe the same is true for a spiritual ecosystem.  Just my feline musings.

Shasta

z

my original point was that if a topic of that magnitude is brought up and is predicated on, as yet, unprovable premises, why should my view of it be the only view that is not acceptable for discussion?  i can tell you why, cause i'm still a square peg trying to fit into a round hole.  i know that.  sometimes there's enough square pegs in the same area that i can get away with discussing my view without it being a big problem as they would join in the conversation from the same or similar perspective.  but if there are too many square pegs in the same place, same problems arise as if there are few to no square pegs.

 

If a premise is unprovable from either point of view, then it becomes opinion. At some point one has to decided that neither side can prove it and one has to agree to disagree and move on to something else.

The longer one keeps trying to make the other side see their perspective, the more frustrating and heated it becomes.

Square pegs can have their rough edges smoothed out to fit in :P

You survived all those years at ATS because you had a good premise, but not everyone agreed with every perspective you had in that thread, in fact you yourself changed your view as the years went by.

Surely its not as bad here as it was at ATS, even if the balance of atheist vs religious is not in your favor. 

Look at ArMap... the lone skeptic :P but keeps his sense of humor (In fact I think it has improved :D )

BTW Welcome back :D

z

it isn't bad here at all.  you just give a sort of
preferential treatment for people who share more of your world view than i do.  that's normal, which is why i say i don't belong here.  cause this will just keep happening and you'll eventually just kick me out cause i'm upsetting the apple cart.

Just bound and determined to leave.... right?
So all of the work that you did on Portals is going to be lost because you are worried about being a square peg?
Linda

Quote from: Linda Brown on July 08, 2012, 05:51:15 AM
Just bound and determined to leave.... right?
So all of the work that you did on Portals is going to be lost because you are worried about being a square peg?
Linda

So all the work Z and the rest of you have done, doesn't get drowned out by my constant griping when a thread comes up that offends my sensibilities. lol 

this forum is for controversial topics.  controversy stirs argment and debate, and yes discussion.  Z wants a forum where people who don't agree with a subject, don't say anything at all, so that it remains a discussion for as long as possible.  or if they must argue a point, it should have some valid reason other than religion.  i'm afraid i can't separate who am i as individual, from my world view, and i dare say, this is true about everyone. 

unfortunately my world view is frowned upon generally, and as result, my points are going to be constantly at odds with everyone elses, on certain topics.

Quote from: undo11 on July 08, 2012, 06:00:48 AM
So all the work Z and the rest of you have done, doesn't get drowned out by my constant griping when a thread comes up that offends my sensibilities. lol 

this forum is for controversial topics.  controversy stirs argument and debate, and yes discussion.

So????  Z wants a forum where people who don't agree with a subject, don't say anything at all, so that it remains a discussion for as long as possible.

Excuse me but what did you actually say there?What??????  

or if they must argue a point, it should have some valid reason other than religion.  I'm afraid i can't separate who am i as individual, from my world view, and i dare say, this is true about everyone.

Absolutely. That doesn't mean that we can't train ourselves to respect each others wishes here.... and keep our own personal rantings down to a low roar....   

unfortunately my world view is frowned upon generally, and as result, my points are going to be constantly at odds with everyone elses, on certain topics. Well then...... learn to avoid those particular topics.... or when someone ventures across your emotional toes... learn to ignore them. I realize that's hard but compared to letting yourself be marginalized and stashed in a corner.... wouldn't a little painful restraint be worth it for you?

.

Undo...... STOP......You are completely capable of carrying on a conversation here without getting carried away by your own " world view"..... and you know it, don't you? If you haven't realized yet what has happened here take a harder look.   You have done an astounding amount of work on portals and you are allowing yourself to be encouraged to turn your back on all of that when the discussions here need that information for the next level of discussion.

This is NOT a random negative happening. You have friends here who are more than willing to give you the emotional room that you need to operate happily here.... Don't believe the force that is telling you that you cant be happy and productive and appreciated here. It is a false voice and it is simply trying to remove you from these conversations because you could really make a DIFFERENCE. 

If what I am saying still makes no sense to you and you still believe that you are right then I will accept your retreat.... but boy.... we really would all be alot better off with you here.....

Linda

linda

well that's very nice of you to say.  i'll ponder it. 

All anyone could ask of you. Ponder it.   Linda

Quote from: undo11 on July 08, 2012, 06:00:48 AMZ wants a forum where people who don't agree with a subject, don't say anything at all, so that it remains a discussion for as long as possible.

Not at all... the question is how long does one repeat the same thing over and over? LOL I can name a few names here who do that :P

Quoteor if they must argue a point, it should have some valid reason other than religion.  i'm afraid i can't separate who am i as individual, from my world view, and i dare say, this is true about everyone. 

Well just as you take every mention of anything Christian to be directed at you, so do many people feel about getting smacked with a bible at every comment.

You did really well presenting Enki at all without resorting to taking the defensive... for what 6 years that the thread ran and is still #1 thread in the Alien UFO section of spook Central?

Why does it have to be different here?

The recent issue with NASA... a solution was tendered... split the topic for those who wanted to follow the religious aspect and those who wanted to follow the "Yay someone going after NASA" angle...

Why can't that be?  It got so intense in there I never even had time to look at the actual document that the OP was about.

Seems to me a split topic would solve the problem

Quoteunfortunately my world view is frowned upon generally, and as result, my points are going to be constantly at odds with everyone elses, on certain topics.

What exactly is your world view? Seems I recall you think Enki did it :P and I know many that agree with that.

Can you not have your world view, I have my world view and everyone else has their own world view... without the need to attempt to drive one point as being more important than another?

I personally find I listen better when the conversation is two sided sharing ideas and maybe each side take a little away with them to think about

When it comes to religion, I have yet to meet two people that share the exact same interpretation. NO ONE today can prove that their interpretation is the only one... yet mankind has been trying to do that for thousands of years

Perhaps its time a few of us take the first step to stop the fight

As to what I want for this forum? Moot point because I realize its an impossible goal...

Maybe I go Medieval and start talking about the Dragon's Faeries and Elves... at least THOSE I can prove :P

z

it isn't different here as far as the topic of my world view is concerned.  just look at my posts on ats. lol  i pounded away at the topic in the "all roads lead to rome" thread on there, until the guy who started it, "protoplasmic traveler", told people to put me on ignore :D

he only wanted people who agreed with him in the thread i think.

z

you said

QuoteCan you not have your world view, I have my world view and everyone else has their own world view...

YES!  HOWEVER, when other people's world views are  adding to the accumulative opinion that christians should be sterilized, lobotomized, imprisoned for having their children  circumsized (a form of child abuse they claim), and on and on and on and (deep breath) on and on and on and etc, i think  to myself... this tendency to just blame christians for everything needs to be contested, otherwise, we're gonna end up like the jews were in hitler's germany.  and i for one, like being alive, not tortured, and etc.

Undo11,
Sooooo good to see You posting here.
It's Sunday morning here, raining as usual, the birds are singing.

The rain is nearing biblical proportions, I may have to think of an ark.

Hobbit

Quote from: hobbit on July 08, 2012, 08:01:13 AM
Undo11,
Sooooo good to see You posting here.
It's Sunday morning here, raining as usual, the birds are singing.

The rain is nearing biblical proportions, I may have to think of an ark.

Hobbit

and everything is very green?

Quote from: undo11 on July 08, 2012, 08:20:05 AM
and everything is very green?

Everything, including Me, here's a recent photo of Me,

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/--Cu9Z06R22I/TmNrbf26o2I/AAAAAAAAJlo/MmLf9S3tfaI/s1600/greenman.jpg)

Hobbit

ah, the infamous green man.   i didn't know 'obbits were green? :D

Quote from: undo11 on July 08, 2012, 08:29:37 AM
ah, the infamous green man.   i didn't know 'obbits were green? :D

We,ve been here far longer than humans can percieve of.

I like reading revelations in Your book, of course I see things from natures perspective, been part of such.

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v468/n7323/fig_tab/468517a_F1.html
hobbit

Quote from: hobbit on July 08, 2012, 08:26:08 AM
Everything, including Me, here's a recent photo of Me,
Hobbit

That's a lie... everyone knows that is Sean Connery  >:(

::)

About that rain, can't you send some of that my way? We need it

Gettng a little low  :'(

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4f/Lake_Mead_October_2010.jpg/800px-Lake_Mead_October_2010.jpg)

Coming in late here.  Beth, I - as well as many other, I can see - would be very saddened to lose You.  It hurts to hear You say that You feel You don't "belong" here.  We are all of Us bright and creative, and You have contributed as much as the next Person.  You "belong" as much as any of Us belong.

That You have Your issues does not mean that I don't have Mine.  Or the next Person doesn't have Hume's ("Hume" - genderless pronoun for a Human...).  We all care, and surely make allowances for One anOther's issues.  Though any given moment may be heated, overall, the synergy here works.

If You choose to stay, I only have one bit of advice.  When someOne mentioned a religion in connection with an Individual(s), look closely to see if it is the Individual(s) whose personal religious interpretations/behavior chosen based on said interpretation is at issue, or whether it is the religion as a whole that is being discussed/disparaged.  If it is specific to an individual...try not to defend the religion.  [smile]

And tell Yourself often...it is NOT You We discuss.

I do hope You do not leave.  [hugs]

Quote from: undo11 on July 08, 2012, 07:49:58 AM

this tendency to just blame christians for everything needs to be contested,

I don't see anyone throwing you to the Lions...

...and I see a lot of people blaming Jews, Muslims, Masons, Iluminati, Bush Family, Rothschilds, Rockefellers, Skull and Bones... etc etc etc for every thing wrong with the world

Thing is you just hear the Christian part :P

Its that contesting part that led to the Crusades... as I recall Jesus said turn the other cheek

Yeah he did...

Luke
27 But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,
28 Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.
29 And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloke forbid not to take thy coat also.

Personally I think that is a little over the top, but then I haz swards so tend to be a little less forgiving

sooooon i will have me one of these
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/game/mists-of-pandaria/pandaren/

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/Vault/Pandaren_01.png)

and go here!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN8p6yvPRQo

and here!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzJoGsEyLag

Just before My Windows crumped, I did graphics for an article on the Pandaria expansion for The Gamer Studio.  Hope I get My Windows back soon.  This Linux shell has issues.

Quote from: Amaterasu on July 08, 2012, 12:04:19 PM
Just before My Windows crumped, I did graphics for an article on the Pandaria expansion for The Gamer Studio.  Hope I get My Windows back soon.  This Linux shell has issues.

ooooh linky?

I don't think it's posted yet...  Still upcoming.  But watch for it at http://www.thegamerstudio.com


EDIT to add:  Most of the graphics there I did...

Quote from: hobbit on July 08, 2012, 08:01:13 AM
Undo11,
Sooooo good to see You posting here.
It's Sunday morning here, raining as usual, the birds are singing.

The rain is nearing biblical proportions, I may have to think of an ark.

Hobbit

(http://i1073.photobucket.com/albums/w400/thorfourwinds/2nd%20album%20July%202012/GetitonfortheendoftheworldARK.png)

Quote from: Amaterasu on July 08, 2012, 12:49:44 PM
I don't think it's posted yet...  Still upcoming.  But watch for it at http://www.thegamerstudio.com


EDIT to add:  Most of the graphics there I did...

looks nice. i like the semi transparent overlays. i always notice little things like that.

Isn't this sweet.... Games and forgiveness all rolled into one and MEANWHILE has anyone even noticed that the subject of Nasa being  challenged for perhaps hiding proof of an alien interaction here...... has gone unanswered and even the promised split of subjects has not happened.... and actually..... does anyone even remember that was spoken about except for Zorgons last casual mention of it.

Someone brings up a possible lawsuit against NASA for witholding evidence of an Alien lifeform interacting with humans here on earth...... and we let that slide by////

Because one of our members has responded to having some of her oh so obvious buttons pushed.... and no one sees that? And we are talking about GAMES????

Just a question folks. Anyone have a rational answer for that?    Linda

Linda, I love Ya dearly, but this thread is not about that subject.  I do hope We see a thread split on that, because I am highly interested in the suit.  But really don't think this is the thread to talk about it.

Yes Linda thread is a little off topic.  In fact I thought the origional topic was about Undo11 being a christian and not fitting in.




I have absolutely no problem with christianity.  In fact I would consider myself to be a believer.....in the true word of Jesus that is.

The problem for me is the religious man-made dogma that has distorted the truth, by implanting fear and condemnation into the text.

Should one believe everything that this man says?


(http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss64/Micjer_2009/black-pope.jpg)

Black pope.  Society of Jesus (Jesuits)

or this man?
(http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss64/Micjer_2009/Pope_Ratzinger_handsign2-20-09.jpg)


Or this guy?

(http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss64/Micjer_2009/christmas3.jpg)


Imho the true words are written, only have to be interpreted by ones self.  Not by someone else.

(http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss64/Micjer_2009/christmas4.jpg)

Quote from: undo11 on July 08, 2012, 02:09:01 PM
looks nice. i like the semi transparent overlays. i always notice little things like that.

Thanks.  [smile]

Quote from: Linda Brown on July 08, 2012, 02:13:57 PM
Because one of our members has responded to having some of her oh so obvious buttons pushed.... and no one sees that? And we are talking about GAMES????

Just a question folks. Anyone have a rational answer for that?    Linda

Yes. Even the most serious minded need to step away, from time to time, to refresh and clear the mind.  Remember the old adage "all work and no play"?

Each of us has our personal buttons. Some are more easily pressed than others. It is the reaction that tells the tale: step away to avoid conflict or use sarcasm and/or guilt as a control mechanism to obtain a desired reaction.

Sometimes a door is just a door.

J

Quote from: micjer on July 08, 2012, 02:27:18 PM
Yes Linda thread is a little off topic.  In fact I thought the origional topic was about Undo11 being a christian and not fitting in.

OK..... I am good with that. Lets go back then to the Original Post that spawned all of this..... anybody even remember it properly?  Thats my point. Just what was THAT post about.  ANYBODY? I would be happy to go back to it but it has been so effectively buried and forgotten that even you folks can't find it again.





I have absolutely no problem with christianity.  In fact I would consider myself to be a believer.....in the true word of Jesus that is.

And again.... I am NOT talking about whether you have a problem with Christianity or not. Or even what your world views are! The original question was the idea that NASA was hiding information that would prove the existance of other life and intelligence interacting with us on this planet. Look at what happened to that discussion?

I do not want to talk about Christians or religion. I want to talk about Nasas reaction to that situatio. Has everyone forgotten that thread?

This topic is An Idea..... a Revelation.....I thought that it might be a relevation to stay on an original thread and not let negative forces draw you away. So where did the original thread go. I will be happy to post there again.....

The problem for me is the religious man-made dogma that has distorted the truth, by implanting fear and condemnation into the text.

Should one believe everything that this man says?

So who are we attacking here and why?  I have lost focus apparently.  Linda
(http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss64/Micjer_2009/black-pope.jpg)

Black pope.  Society of Jesus (Jesuits)

or this man?
(http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss64/Micjer_2009/Pope_Ratzinger_handsign2-20-09.jpg)


Or this guy?

(http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss64/Micjer_2009/christmas3.jpg)


Imho the true words are written, only have to be interpreted by ones self.  Not by someone else.

(http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss64/Micjer_2009/christmas4.jpg)

Quote from: zorgon on July 08, 2012, 03:21:01 AM
Square pegs can have their rough edges smoothed out to fit in :P

Square pegs can fit in a round hole if the diameter is the same, so instead of having their edges smoothed out, a square peg can fit a bigger hole. :)

In alternative, it can get a little smaller. :)

Quote from: undo11 on July 06, 2012, 10:25:29 AM
I think i know what my problem is.  I don't fit in here.  It's no one's fault, i'm just an odd cookie.  I don't really have a nitch.   There's not a box that i truly fit into, so I end up with folks like you who think out of the box as well, but you seem to think my thinking out of the box is not thinking out of the box but rather same old same old.  Ah well  I should be use to it by now, but every so often i give it another try.  The end result of realizing i'm a weird lil gal, is to panic and blame everyone else. 

This here be why I'm kinda out of synch with PRC and have my own lilttle glitch in the matrix.  I like many of the same topics as people here do, but i have this little annoying thing that drives people bonkers:  i actually believe the bible and other ancient texts are legit, that jesus was a real guy who was who he said he was, and that christians can't possibly, as a group, be any worse than any other subsection of humanity. 

Anyway, i apologize for not realizing this sooner and for taking it out on all of you.   Shoulda recognized the signs, and quietly snuck from the room, but eh i made a big mess and thought i'd better clear it up before I exited stage left. 

Sooooo, don't take any of my prior comments personally.  Think of it as a lesson for future encounters:  see a christian freaking out?  probably feeling like a loner and not wanting to.  Takes a bit of adapting, to be honest.  But i'm a big girl, nearly 55, so I think the adaptation is way over due!  And in my case, the adapting requires, nay demands, I say goodbye to the people at PRC. not because you're wrong or bad or mean or anything else but because i'm different in the wrong ways!

Have a good one!

Was this not the original post?  Sorry if it was not.  I was just supporting Undo11 that I believed much of the ancient texts also.

I didn't read anything about NASA.  I thought Undo11 was telling us she was leaving.  Sorry for any confusion and will gladly remove my post.

 didn't read anything about NASA.  I thought Undo11 was telling us she was leaving.  Sorry for any confusion and will gladly remove my post.

Please don't remove your post. You are helping illustrate what I have been trying to point out. This is the method that is used against all of us when we get too close to really sensitive and important information.

BOOM! Someone develops a fight with someone else! BOOM! the topic goes further and further off the trail.... to the point like you just mentioned.... the original and important discussion is COMPLETELY OBSCURED.

Please folks. Look hard at when that begins to happen and see it for what it actually is! I get led off too but I am getting smarter about recognizing the methods used here and I see them faster. Just be AWARE please!!!!   Linda

Quote from: zorgon on July 08, 2012, 03:21:01 AM
Look at ArMap... the lone skeptic :P

No he is not.  It does of course depend on whether you actually mean is "does not believe a particular thing" rather than what a real skeptic is.

QuoteSKEPTIC:
1.  a person who questions the validity or authenticity of something purporting to be factual.
2.  a person who maintains a doubting attitude, as toward values, plans, statements, or the character of others.
3.  a person who doubts the truth of a religion, especially Christianity, or of important elements of it.

SOURCE: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/skeptic

I am all three of the above, like ArMaP and hopefully more of the members here. ;)

Quote from: zorgon on July 08, 2012, 09:43:22 AM
About that rain, can't you send some of that my way? We need it

Gettng a little low  :'(

(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/61408000/jpg/_61408306_61408305.jpg)
Flooding disrupt Nottinghamshire road and rail networks (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-18733817)

That picture is a village near me called Lambley.  That is a road I normally cycle down as part of my training.

The contrast between here and your neck of the woods is incredible. LOL

Quote from: micjer on July 08, 2012, 02:27:18 PM

The problem for me is the religious man-made dogma that has distorted the truth, by implanting fear and condemnation into the text.

Should one believe everything that this man says?


(http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss64/Micjer_2009/black-pope.jpg)

Black pope.  Society of Jesus (Jesuits)

or this man?
(http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss64/Micjer_2009/Pope_Ratzinger_handsign2-20-09.jpg)

Mans insertion of his ideas into the reality of matters of faith...

And that is a great example, thank you Micjer.

Lets face it, who here does not believe in The Supernatural aspects
of life? Yes we all have different ideas, yet I would wager a large bet
that those two men pictured above hold no special place in the lives
of most members at PRC.

;)

Quote from: Linda Brown on July 08, 2012, 02:13:57 PM
Isn't this sweet.... Games and forgiveness all rolled into one and MEANWHILE has anyone even noticed that the subject of Nasa being  challenged for perhaps hiding proof of an alien interaction here...... has gone unanswered and even the promised split of subjects has not happened.... and actually..... does anyone even remember that was spoken about except for Zorgons last casual mention of it.

This thread is not about that.. and the Games is Undo's addition because it calms her. In case you hadn't caught it, the Pandera is a defensive Warrior

We are working on the NASA issue  no worries

QuoteSomeone brings up a possible lawsuit against NASA for witholding evidence of an Alien lifeform interacting with humans here on earth...... and we let that slide by////

Its not sliding by... we have a lot of NASA issues to address

QuoteBecause one of our members has responded to having some of her oh so obvious buttons pushed.... and no one sees that? And we are talking about GAMES????

Seems YOU are the one pushing buttons here and yes we are talking about GAMES  I asked Undo over here for the stargate stuff yes, but to develop a game for Pegasus that we can actually market and get her an income from something she has worked on for years

Seems there is more interest in people creating petty feuds than actually accomplishing anything

The Game forum is sorely lacking in interest... but then we only have 400ish members so far

QuoteJust a question folks. Anyone have a rational answer for that?    Linda

Yeah I do but YOU are not listening

OK.... listening now...... and see the value of the games. But for those who practice not listening... I will remind you that I do not have access to games or Utube or videos so what you get from me is a very sheltered outlook on some things.

I appreciate it if some would keep that in mind and at the same time I will keep in mind that things are progressing that I can not see..... and that I should have more trust in situations than my words seem to reflect. I will try to be better Zorgon. Frustration I think is universal.

BOOM! Someone develops a fight with someone else! BOOM! the topic goes further and further off the trail.... to the point like you just mentioned.... the original and important discussion is COMPLETELY OBSCURED.

Please folks. Look hard at when that begins to happen and see it for what it actually is! I get led off too but I am getting smarter about recognizing the methods used here and I see them faster. Just be AWARE please!!!!   Linda


oh how i tried to keep sittin on my fingers...

Please folks. Look hard at when that begins to happen and see it for what it actually is

i have looked hard
and guess what i have seen

linda  - you are the only distraction i see in all of these threads..
you are the one trying to get folks upset and stressed and down a road other than the thread topic
you are constantly jumping in with little asides and comments that don't fit anywhere
and then trying to help all us poor idiots by telling us that you know what is the problem

linda the problem is you

::)

Quote from: Linda Brown on July 08, 2012, 08:55:12 PMI will remind you that I do not have access to games

Yes you do The game development forum is open to the public. :P Its in general forum

But maybe I shouldn't have said that :P  :o

Sky otter,
              In YOUR opinion.
Not in Mine, and I have witnessed all of this over a greater time span.
I have never experienced a more caring and supportive person than Linda.
And I don't know how She is managing to withstand the tremendous assault on Her and Her fathers works.
She is clearly pure class.

hobbit   Kevin.

linda

i think alot (not all) of that is normal interacting of people with different opinions.  i won't argue that there's no spiritual warfare going on, or technological either, cause that would be a lie, as both things are possible and i have witnessed both in different settings.  you're hypervigiliant about it, and that's to be expected when you've had your fill of the issue.  that's where i am at with the whole christians did this and christians did that, thing.  i could fill thousands of webpages full of data on things other world views have done as well, but that's not why i'm here.  that i even have to point this little factoid out, is evidence (to me) that the brainwashing of the public is right on schedule.

imagine it is like watching something happen in slow motion.  you have time to digest it all, to see precursors, forewarnings, parallels, and when you point it out, people look at you cross-eyed and claim you're the problem.  been there, done that. i understand your reaction.  but like you told me, maybe focusing on the bad parts ain't such a good thing.

You are right Undo. I think that both of us have just about reached our saturation point of patience with all of this... You in your direction and me in mine....

But I honestly do believe that both of us can get something really wonderful accomplished if we just do not allow ourselves to be " ripped assunder" by forces out there that do not want anyone standing in their way.

Be strong. You will make an amazing difference...but we both have to do it on the purely positive side..NEVER going to be easy...... Linda

Quote from: Linda Brown on July 09, 2012, 01:10:54 AM
You are right Undo. I think that both of us have just about reached our saturation point of patience with all of this... You in your direction and me in mine....

But I honestly do believe that both of us can get something really wonderful accomplished if we just do not allow ourselves to be " ripped assunder" by forces out there that do not want anyone standing in their way.

Be strong. You will make an amazing difference...but we both have to do it on the purely positive side..NEVER going to be easy...... Linda

yeah, and on the OTHER HAND, there's the whole problem of seeing the car wreck about to happen and not dodging it.  you know from past experience, that self preservation is not a work of evil, it's how it's applied that causes issues. like pimander's reference to not being fond of how i applied my form of self preservation in the nasa thread.  it causes problems.    in the case of darth vader, for example,  the manipulation of his paranoia by the real evil in the story (emperor palpatine),  drove him to do horrible things as a form of self preservation gone out of control.  i do not want to end up like that.  and i don't want any of you to end up like that either.   

I would make a real strong comment here but it would definitely be off topic.

However, undo11, I do not need to tell you that you choose your own path. No matter what anyone says, oh, they may offer their opinion and you may find it useful but in the final moments, it is YOUR decision as to if you go left or right at the fork.

In any event, voyas con dios, no matter what fork you choose.

Mikado

Points well taken. In nature.... NOTHING counts more than self preservation. Its probably a good lesson to learn,

So how are you and I going to go forward with this StarGate or Portal information. This is it kid. Now is the time.

Do what you feel comfortable writing.... I will join in if I can help..... if I get out of hand tell me to sit down for awhile.... if I feel that you are getting too pressured I will do the same for you.

Can we do this?  There is going to be opposition. Knowing that ahead of time... I ask again..... can we do this??  Linda

Oh there you are Mikado.... right there..... why am I not surprised.  Linda

I voiced my opinion for what I see you doing is exactly what you claim others are doing.

Let her make up her own mind without your incessant babbling. For once, put your egocentrism aside and let someone make up their own mind.

Mikado

how She is managing to withstand the tremendous assault on Her and Her fathers works.

well hobbit

my estimation of your intell has greatly lowered..
i have never and would never speak a word about her father
never knew him and never knew of him

linda on the other hand continues  with the butter wouldn't met in her mouth bs
while she pokes and pokes  on everypost she can that there is a disruptive force
coming to make a mess here and she out fo the greatness of her heart and superior intellect is warning us


in my un humble opinion she is the disruptive force
no one else is having a problem..no one is grasping this evil wind blowing around
we're all stupids  just waiting for her gems of wisdom

what a complete crock

no one else is pointing fingers at someone not here as the problem and then asking for them to be invited
wow..now that's a real smart move - isn't it

my only conclusion is that after  not getting enough attention on two other forums she needed a bigger platform to preform on
and by staking  threads saying a bad wind is coming is sure an attention getter
only problem is
it's gettin real old

but hey.. only my opinion


undo i beg your pardon for carrying on  with your goodbye thread

Sky Otter..... You certainly like taking me to task don't you. One visit to the Hut and you come home as an advanced expert on what a terrible person I am. Fair enough .

I find you boring in the extreme. Thats probably the worst thing I can manage to say about you. You do much better in your garden since you have already said that you know nothing about what is happening here. And scattering seeds is probably your strong point.

What you have with me is an unresolved personality conflict. I can't solve that and I do not have the energy to even go there. So we both know what we think of each other. Discussion closed on the personality part of it.

And one correction, please.......  know that your assumption here is grossly incorrect.
"no one else is pointing fingers at someone not here as the problem and then asking for them to be invited
wow..now that's a real smart move - isn't it"Since I did not ask him to be invited...I don't know whos smart move that was.... but you can't blame me for that one!



Linda

correction called for

more than one visit
and
no personalities are involved..only posts and what they have to say

opps
modified to say

sorry linda..i'm not leavin

Did I expect you to? No.....

But thank you for revealing that your connection to Mikado and the Hut is even stronger than I first thought that it was. It makes everything make a little more sense now.

more than one visit
and
no personalities are involved..only posts and what they have to say..... What they have to say..... RIGHT, forgive me while I treat you like an infected person from now on. 

   Linda

yes

PLEASE treat me like an infected person..........P  L  E A S   E EEEEEE


and not that i think mikado is a bad guy but never had contact till he showed up here
and was a force opposite yours..i liked him for that   ;D ;)

OK enough.  Can we discuss the thread topic not your personal differences.  You have had your say now leave it.

on a happier but still frustrating note, my dog keeps eating the cat's food.  he has his own food. why's he need the cat's food, too?    they are both dry foods, so it can't be because one is canned and juicy.   

i don't mind if people talk in the thread about other subjects.  i'm the op and i don't mind.  i do think it's bizarre that it took the turn it did but sometimes talking about things, helps work them out.   sometimes not.  it's a risk we all take when we decide to let other people have minds of their own. we can try to convince them of our viewpoint, at the very least.

if linda and sky otter have an issue they need to discuss, it should be discussed.   communication is the key.  lack of communication just leads to unresolved issues, which then grow in negative soil

Quote from: undo11 on July 09, 2012, 03:13:10 AM
on a happier but still frustrating note, my dog keeps eating the cat's food.  he has his own food. why's he need the cat's food, too?

Because they are dogs :P Our Corgi's will eat the cat food, the ferret food, the people food anything left in the trash bin, leather shoes, etc until they explode (if we let them) They even sneak into the compost sometimes

Quote from: micjer on July 08, 2012, 06:12:37 PM

your avatar guy, i think his hair is great lol he probably just keeps it cause all the ladies want to run their fingers thru it lol

Quote from: undo11 on July 09, 2012, 03:13:10 AM
on a happier but still frustrating note, my dog keeps eating the cat's food.  he has his own food. why's he need the cat's food, too?    they are both dry foods, so it can't be because one is canned and juicy.   

The cat food is more flavorful.  Cats need more flavor and so dogs will tend to prefer that flavor burst.

Quotei don't mind if people talk in the thread about other subjects.  i'm the op and i don't mind.  i do think it's bizarre that it took the turn it did but sometimes talking about things, helps work them out.   sometimes not.  it's a risk we all take when we decide to let other people have minds of their own. we can try to convince them of our viewpoint, at the very least.

Let Us hope things are ironed out.

Quoteif linda and sky otter have an issue they need to discuss, it should be discussed.   communication is the key.  lack of communication just leads to unresolved issues, which then grow in negative soil

Beth, You are a wise woman.  [hugs]

Quote from: micjer on July 08, 2012, 02:27:18 PM


or this man?
(http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss64/Micjer_2009/Pope_Ratzinger_handsign2-20-09.jpg)

Now THAT guy creeps me out   :o

I mean come ON people don't you recognize him?

Really?

Geez do I ALWAYS have to do all the work  >:(

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Toons/pope_looks_like_palpatine_02.jpg)

Hallowed are the Ori

Quote from: sky otter on July 09, 2012, 01:41:38 AM
how She is managing to withstand the tremendous assault on Her and Her fathers works.

well hobbit

my estimation of your intell has greatly lowered..
i have never and would never speak a word about her father
never knew him and never knew of him

linda on the other hand continues  with the butter wouldn't met in her mouth bs
while she pokes and pokes  on everypost she can that there is a disruptive force
coming to make a mess here and she out fo the greatness of her heart and superior intellect is warning us


in my un humble opinion she is the disruptive force
no one else is having a problem..no one is grasping this evil wind blowing around
we're all stupids  just waiting for her gems of wisdom

what a complete crock

no one else is pointing fingers at someone not here as the problem and then asking for them to be invited
wow..now that's a real smart move - isn't it

my only conclusion is that after  not getting enough attention on two other forums she needed a bigger platform to preform on
and by staking  threads saying a bad wind is coming is sure an attention getter
only problem is
it's gettin real old

but hey.. only my opinion


undo i beg your pardon for carrying on  with your goodbye thread

"WELL" Sky otter,

Your opinion of My" intell" is water off a ducks back.
This is thread was started by Undo11 expressing why She felt the need to leave this forum, which it is clear nobody here desires.

The complex reason/s involved in why Undo , in this case , and many other posters react in the manner they do relative to their belief systems ,will be very very well understood by those who's trade they are experts at.
  In Your above post ....I do think thee protest tooooo loudly, which reveals more about Yourself than about anything else????

My post about Linda is based on MY experiences since 2006 , and how that lady has shone out head and shoulders above any others in Her balanced and totally fair support of those within the strange computer communities  to the best of Her abilities, and that includes telling Me when I have been going off on a wrong track etc.

In a strange way, I hope Undo is witnessing how easily someone can become so angry and use words as weapons, and how fast that ignites into a situation that perhaps has master wordsmiths fuelling ????

I have no issue/s with You sky otter at all, but You chose immeadiately to turn Your guns as such in My direction????

PLEASE consider What You have written here from the other posters perspective, and that comes with My best wishes to You and a hobbit hug.
hobbit

Quote from: undo11 on July 09, 2012, 03:13:10 AM
on a happier but still frustrating note, my dog keeps eating the cat's food.  he has his own food. why's he need the cat's food, too?    they are both dry foods, so it can't be because one is canned and juicy.   

I think you shoud be lucky that the dog does not eat the cat. The cat would be more tasty. Wild dogs eat cats all the time. Maybe the dog is jealous of the cat and trying to tell it to hit the road, there is no food here for you! Best to feed the dog first and the cat in a seperate room or up high. I have seen this as a pecking order thing. The dog is telling the cat who is the boss. I can eat your food when ever I want too. Deuem

Look into the center and repeat after me...

There is no mind control at work here

Only shrewd people looking for weaknesses and pushing the buttons

(http://kickkicksnare.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/hypnotize.jpg)

"SHREWd"
The cat will eat the shrew..d

The taming of the shrew may be difficult?

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-6qhALIQnsUY/Tndoy5t-ncI/AAAAAAAAAqI/VORolPG9f7k/s640/taming.jpg)

Hobbit

Quote from: undo11 on July 09, 2012, 03:13:10 AM
on a happier but still frustrating note, my dog keeps eating the cat's food.  he has his own food. why's he need the cat's food, too?    they are both dry foods, so it can't be because one is canned and juicy.

Maybe the dog is needing more meat?

I have never had a dog, but I think dog food has some vegetables mixed in, so the dog wants more meat or he doesn't like his veggies. :)

dogs will eat anything....anything..they think those are toostie rolls in the cat litter..uck

nice ploy hobit and hugs to you too

undo  again apologies for  disrupting your goodbye post

Quote from: sky otter on July 09, 2012, 02:06:59 PM

dogs will eat anything....anything..they think those are toostie rolls in the cat litter..uck

nice ploy hobit and hugs to you too

undo  again apologies for  disrupting your goodbye post

Nice answer sky otter, ignore the hobbit. He has never met Linda face to face and spent time with her. How well can anyone really know someone until they have spent time together.

We hear about Internet dating and how individuals can fall madly in love but then when they meet and get to SEE each other, BE with each other, WATCH their interactions with others first hand...should I go on?

Take it with a grain, but this post is about ALL friendships found/created over the Internet and not just the above.

Mikado

When my two large dogs were still with us, they were afraid of the cats.  When my daughter's jailbreaking chinchillas were staying with me, the cats were afraid of the chinchillas.  Foodwise, cats are genetically obligate carnivores.  They require more protein than dogs.  If a dog eats too much cat food, it can cause renal failure.  I don't know how healthy cat food is for raccoons and skunks, but they enjoy it.  I had five masked critters parked at my outdoor buffet last night.

Shasta

Quote from: Mikado on July 09, 2012, 03:11:35 PM
Nice answer sky otter, ignore the hobbit. He has never met Linda face to face and spent time with her. How well can anyone really know someone until they have spent time together.

We hear about Internet dating and how individuals can fall madly in love but then when they meet and get to SEE each other, BE with each other, WATCH their interactions with others first hand...should I go on?

Take it with a grain, but this post is about ALL friendships found/created over the Internet and not just the above.

Mikado

Mikado,
You have obviously lost the art of reading, as I did point out to sky otter that My opinions of Linda are based on knowing Her over these strange computer interactions since 2006.
I look forward very much to meeting Her  ...very much.

I do not appreciate at all You advising another poster to "ignore the hobbit" .
If all You can do ,as usual ,is create friction and divide one poster against another ...then go back onto Your own site where You are so practised in such a dark art.

I trust to My senses, and Linda is solid gold, My senses inform Me a lot about posters, especially ones who have constantly gone out of their way to divert others .

By Your thinking, every poster who hasn't met another poster must IGNORE any comments they make.
Thank goodness I am banned permenently off Your site, and thus don't have to read anything You say, as I have never met You so it saves Me having to read anything You may spout.

Not many have the distinction of been BANNED off a site for reading it, the hobbit has.

hobbit

Ditto.
Le

Quote from: hobbit on July 09, 2012, 05:10:19 PM
Mikado,
You have obviously lost the art of reading, as I did point out to sky otter that My opinions of Linda are based on knowing Her over these strange computer interactions since 2006.
I look forward very much to meeting Her  ...very much.

And so you should look forward to it. I wish you all the best in that.

Quote from: hobbit on July 09, 2012, 05:10:19 PMI do not appreciate at all You advising another poster to "ignore the hobbit" .
If all You can do ,as usual ,is create friction and divide one poster against another ...then go back onto Your own site where You are so practised in such a dark art.

Well, there are a good deal of comments you made not only here but elsewhere that I didn't appreciate. However, I gave a very good reason as to my view. I have done nothing to you as you and a few others have done to me elsewhere. There is no friction being created, was there anything inaccurate in my view as to meeting people over the Internet? No, there wasn't. I was merely pointing out a fallacy. You speak of friction, you really need to look in your own house on that one.

Quote from: hobbit on July 09, 2012, 05:10:19 PMI trust to My senses, and Linda is solid gold, My senses inform Me a lot about posters, especially ones who have constantly gone out of their way to divert others .

AS did I and some others and see where that got the group?

Quote from: hobbit on July 09, 2012, 05:10:19 PMBy Your thinking, every poster who hasn't met another poster must IGNORE any comments they make.

I didn't say that, all I am saying, that to endorse someone as gold after only interacting with them on a forum is a poor endorsement.

Quote from: hobbit on July 09, 2012, 05:10:19 PMThank goodness I am banned permenently off Your site, and thus don't have to read anything You say, as I have never met You so it saves Me having to read anything You may spout.

Not many have the distinction of been BANNED off a site for reading it, the hobbit has.

hobbit

You were banned because you made a complaint, repeated complaints in that you HAD to read it.

uh...you had a choice...just don't go there..but you persisted in complaining about having to read it.

Problem was solved, your complaint was handled. And now your complaint is different...you just want to complain is what it amounts to.

Now that we have totally commandeered this thread, I have answered you.

Mikado

I've spoken with both Linda and Mikado by phone.  I doubt that either of their respective viewpoints is completely right or completely wrong.

I know I'm right about everything.  Cats are always right about eveything.  BWA HA HA HA!

Shasta 5150

 ;D



hahahah

shasta
i luv  this

Cats are like potato chips.  You can't have just one.


so i do believe you are right about everything else..
hahahahahah

(http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss64/Micjer_2009/kitty.gif)

(http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss64/Micjer_2009/dog-1.jpg)

Mikado,
You recommended sky otter to..."ignore the hobbit""

You then went on to detail why, and that reasoning was that unless posters have met EYE TO EYE, that they should ignore each other.
Therefore Zorgon might as well shut this place down except for those who have met EYE TO EYE.
By Your command, forums are a total waste of time.

I,ve looked at You with a different EYE .

You have now furthered YOUR accusations, accusing Me of ..."with a few others"..
Of doing something to You.

I hold such accusations in total and absolute contempt.
I have done nothing to You in any shape or form.

I am not creating any friction, and do not need to look into My house for the cause of it, I know exactly where it origonates from.

As for You suggesting that by trusting in Linda that some "group " have been mistreat in some manner...I have never witnessed any such thing...I have witnessed You destroying all trust , and in the process destroying a forum.

I say again...and again that to My hobbit senses Linda is solid gold.
And I have never had the slightest doubts about Her.

I do fully understand the difficult position She and those who need to be ultra carefull ,and have lived their lives in this secret and compartmentalised circle they have and are in.
Nothing will be obvious and provable as such, their whole operating methods are to create shields and distractions.

As to been banned off Your forum...one should always be gratefull for small mercies.
hobbit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwZR65NDRO8

I don't have quite that many.  Nor do I throw food at them randomly.

Shasta

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Bluebird/pickinonme.gif)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ecgo-BJl6I

Quote from: hobbit on July 09, 2012, 06:51:20 PM
Mikado,
You recommended sky otter to..."ignore the hobbit""

You then went on to detail why, and that reasoning was that unless posters have met EYE TO EYE, that they should ignore each other.
Therefore Zorgon might as well shut this place down except for those who have met EYE TO EYE.
By Your command, forums are a total waste of time.

I,ve looked at You with a different EYE .

You have now furthered YOUR accusations, accusing Me of ..."with a few others"..
Of doing something to You.

I hold such accusations in total and absolute contempt.
I have done nothing to You in any shape or form.

I am not creating any friction, and do not need to look into My house for the cause of it, I know exactly where it origonates from.

As for You suggesting that by trusting in Linda that some "group " have been mistreat in some manner...I have never witnessed any such thing...I have witnessed You destroying all trust , and in the process destroying a forum.

I say again...and again that to My hobbit senses Linda is solid gold.
And I have never had the slightest doubts about Her.

I do fully understand the difficult position She and those who need to be ultra carefull ,and have lived their lives in this secret and compartmentalised circle they have and are in.
Nothing will be obvious and provable as such, their whole operating methods are to create shields and distractions.

As to been banned off Your forum...one should always be gratefull for small mercies.
hobbit

And you Sir, are entitled to your opinion as long it is based in fact, which I doubt you have enough of.

And your wish to be banned was granted, why complain about it?

Mikado

Mikado,

Who's complaining????
Not I...this is factum.
I am celebrating...flags are flying.

You are the king of factum,
Unless everything is deemed verifiable, testable, provable....TO YOUR deemed factum, then it is declared false.

I am pleased and relieved to not be full of your factums,
They are limited factums,
Factums based in the condition relative to the tiny slither near the surface of this planet.

You may be king in 3D, but there are more things in heaven and earth than meets the eye.. Horatio.

hobbit

I don't have quite that many.  Nor do I throw food at them randomly.

Shasta

oh Shast i hope you didn't think that was a slap in any way..it wasn't

i only 5 right now but i'm had any more at times..

but the vid was for fun

8)

It's okay otterpop.  I didn't think you were cuffing me.  I just didn't want anyone else thinking I'm crazier than I actually am.  I had five adolescent raccons on my front porch last night.  Apparently this is party central for the critters.  On another note, I think I may be able to get some pots and soil, and do some planting next week.

Shasta

Quote from: Shasta56 on July 10, 2012, 02:48:04 AM
It's okay otterpop.  I didn't think you were cuffing me.  I just didn't want anyone else thinking I'm crazier than I actually am.  I had five adolescent raccons on my front porch last night.  Apparently this is party central for the critters.  On another note, I think I may be able to get some pots and soil, and do some planting next week.

Shasta

plant some blueberries, avocadoes and cayenne peppers :D and then send me some!  blueberries for anti oxidant properties, avocadoes for anti viral properties and cayenne peopers for anti inflammatory properties. oh and cranberries to promote good bladder and prostate health for me hubby. :)

When I saw the video of her feeding the 130 cats it reminded me of feeding fish in the pond. They all see food coming and start jumping over each other to be first. That is a lot of cats! Wow!

By the way Undo, It looks like you have changed your mind! Are you going to stick around?

Deuem

Quote from: Shasta56 on July 09, 2012, 06:35:30 PM
I know I'm right about everything.  Cats are always right about eveything.  BWA HA HA HA!

Beware my Ferrets... they know no fear...

Kitty just wants to read   ;D


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0DCPK5SbwM

Now how many people would have either of these animals as house pets, let alone both?

That's a video of me with one of my grandkids bugging me.

Shasta

Quote from: micjer on July 10, 2012, 11:55:13 AM
Now how many people would have either of these animals as house pets, let alone both?

Not any more...  But at one time I had both cats and a ferret...

Ferrets and cats get along well, when raised together, but Ive seen some scary conflagrations between my neighbors giant cat, Plato, and his equally huge ferret, Mike, and although there isnt much real biting and ripping, it gets pretty intense!

The ferret usually wins, too.  :o

Le

i had 2 guinea pigs, 2 ferrets, a dog, parakeet and a cat at the same time.  the guinea pigs were given  away, the ferrets were handed to ferret rescue cause i caught my kids tossing them up in the air like flying furballs with fluffy tails, the dog lived to a ripe old age, the parakeet died from shock when somebody turned the volume up on the stereo in the room, before it was turned on and when someone turned it on, the sound was so sudden and so loud, the parakeet went into shock from it and died a day later, and the cat had offspring . the cat got inside the engine of our car somehow.  was bad.  one of her kittens we kept until he died of feline aids. was sad.  now we just have a dog and a cat.

Quote from: micjer on July 10, 2012, 11:55:13 AM
Now how many people would have either of these animals as house pets, let alone both?

Out here in Vegas?  Lions and Tigers are a common pet LOL

I put a security system into the home of MGM Lion owners house... wife told me don't mind the kitties in the bedroom, they won't hurt you.  Sure enough there were four of Metro's cubs romping around  waiting to be declawed  :o

Here is the mother and my daughter a few years back

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oh man

that's cool...
i've always wanted a big cat..probably as close i will get is a maine coon

Those big kitties will take on a few vittles everyday.  I have a few farm cats and I know what they eat. 

Maine coons bigger than pa ones?  Sky

Quote from: sky otter on July 10, 2012, 08:07:55 PM
oh man
that's cool...
i've always wanted a big cat..probably as close i will get is a maine coon

Evans sells big kitties :D  In Nevada they are legal

Quote from: undo11 on July 10, 2012, 07:44:30 PM
i caught my kids tossing them up in the air like flying furballs with fluffy tails,

Undo, too funny. Kids!

I tell ya though the animals in the wild are not much better to each other.

2 am here last night and woke from a deep slumber a cougar right under
the bedroom window going after a fawn. It was a loud ruckus.

Zorgon, come get this kitty!

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Quote from: Linda Brown on July 08, 2012, 02:13:57 PM
Isn't this sweet.... Games and forg :(iveness all rolled into one and MEANWHILE has anyone even noticed that the subject of Nasa being  challenged for perhaps hiding proof of an alien interaction here...... has gone unanswered and even the promised split of subjects has not happened.... and actually..... does anyone even remember that was spoken about except for Zorgons last casual mention of it.

Someone brings up a possible lawsuit against NASA for witholding evidence of an Alien lifeform interacting with humans here on earth...... and we let that slide by////
Because one of our members has responded to having some of her oh so
obvious buttons pushed.... and no one sees that? And we are talking about GAMES????

Just a question folks. Anyone have a rational answer for that?    Linda

I have been looking for the thread that Linda references here.  I can't find it.  Little help?

Shasta

Quote from: Shasta56 on July 11, 2012, 04:20:58 AM
I have been looking for the thread that Linda references here.  I can't find it.  Little help?
Shasta

Currently unavailable

Can't wait till I get home to respond properly to this madness that has seem to have been thrown at my door step.
:o

Quote from: kdog on July 11, 2012, 06:31:55 AM
Can't wait till I get home to respond properly to this madness that has seem to have been thrown at my door step.
:o

which madness?

and the server just went wonky again.  couldn't see the forum for about 5 minutes.

Quote from: undo11 on July 11, 2012, 07:06:05 AM
and the server just went wonky again.  couldn't see the forum for about 5 minutes.

DNS attack on the forum... Website and FTP are fine

Quote from: kdog on July 11, 2012, 06:31:55 AM
Can't wait till I get home to respond properly to this madness that has seem to have been thrown at my door step.
:o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlrR66WX74g



;D

Quote from: zorgon on July 11, 2012, 08:15:32 AM
DNS attack on the forum... Website and FTP are fine

For the record, here is how the attack progressed from our side.



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That last one bumped us off and we still do not have access to our Windstream email.   >:(  :o

tfw

Wow, Thor.  They're after You, it surely would seem.

But why...?

See ya later folks.

Amaterasu.... standing there with pen in hand... Please sign my petition to release electro-gravity to the world...... and you ask  WHY?

Is it OK if I just shake my head.

Linda

Well, I can understand someOne coming after ME...  But Thor?  He's so...innocent...right?  So good-hearted...  Human-hearted, not lizard-hearted...  Oh.  Maybe that's the problem.  Never mind.

Quote from: thorfourwinds on July 11, 2012, 03:05:08 PM
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I still don't understand how those values are possible.  ???

I am sorry for being so dense about this stuff Thor but what does this actually mean to you?   Linda

Quote from: Shasta56 on July 11, 2012, 05:20:09 PM
See ya later folks.

Bye Bye Kitty  Door is always open ;)

Quote from: Linda Brown on July 11, 2012, 05:38:25 PM
Amaterasu.... standing there with pen in hand... Please sign my petition to release electro-gravity to the world...... and you ask  WHY?

Well since SHE isn't being attacked and he is and so is the forum. I would say "Why" is a good question.

From what I see in the Military records, they consider EG as old tech... and are seeking stuff that has more immediate use and more BANG for the buck.

Sure you can say "coverup" and there may be, but they are spending an awful lot of time and money on projects that they can use NOW to blow up things :D

Currently the DNS attacks against the forum are minor nuisances  a few minute out at most usually at specific times. At the server level it doesn't even register as an issue except for the amazing amount of robot search engines Google Analytics accounts for 13 gigs alone DAILY and there are 53 regular search bots from around the world

If this was a few years ago that level of bandwidth would have bankrupted me

DNS attacks are 99% created by script kiddies for lulz  nothing more. 

I know its only hitting the forum and some staff because the website has no issues and neither does FTP access so its not at the server level, just people knocking at the door a few trillion times a minute :D

I appreciate you answering but I am not going to even try to understand what all that means. Thanks for attempting to explain any way.

As to this remark
"From what I see in the Military records, they consider EG as old tech... and are seeking stuff that has more immediate use and more BANG for the buck.

And I am sure that they will find it.

However, I learned a long time ago and I think that you have too that what the military SAYS they are doing and what their actual plans are.... can be wildly different. I guess you just have to pick whats  comfortable for you to believe, or not.

Thanks again for the explanation.  Linda

Quote from: Linda Brown on July 12, 2012, 01:11:06 AM
However, I learned a long time ago and I think that you have too that what the military SAYS they are doing and what their actual plans are.... can be wildly different. I guess you just have to pick whats  comfortable for you to believe, or not.

belief is fine and dandy

But I prefer watching  rail guns blowing space craft out of the aether, laser turrets that shoot down drones as far back as 1972 and a laser powerful enough to transmit power to a base on the Moon...

THOSE I know they have ;)

Since this thread has served its original purpose and has gone completely of topic now

Thread closed

8)

Quote from: zorgon on July 12, 2012, 12:50:21 AM
Bye Bye Kitty  Door is always open ;)

whats up with shasta?  that was unexpected.

Quote from: zorgon on July 12, 2012, 01:18:49 AM
Since this thread has served its original purpose and has gone completely of topic now

Thread closed

8)

well now, this is also new.