An Idea A Revelation

[undo11]

i just wanted to reply to lunica and others who think it's easy for me to just go to a christian forum.  just to give you some idea why that would not be any better and perhaps even worse, consider that my mom in law was gonna throw me out of her house because i wasn't sure about how the rapture doctrine in the bible should be read. 

my sister in law, banned me from her forum because i said that homosexuality wasn't any worse than obesity, and that the point was to be good to your body because it is the temple of god and because it increases your quality of life. she felt homosexuality was worse than obesity.  neither obesity nor homosexuality are healthy lifestyles. they both may be genetically coded, but the idea is to try to rise above those conditions for the sake of your physical and emotional health. 

so yeah, and they were family members.  just imagine what it would be like if they aren't family members. it'd be just like the response people here had to my criticism of the nasa lawsuit guy, just with a different approach. 

and the common denominators in all that are:

1) if i believe my position on a topic is correct, it takes something like logic and reason to convince me otherwise. at the very least, some modicum of evidence to the contrary. if instead i'm met with arguments that have nothing to do with the actual topic, i need a reason for why the actual topic is being accepted as so obvious that talking about it is not even worth expending energy, when otherwise, most topics of that magnitude are gone over with a fine tooth comb and all parts of it are acceptable topics.

2) if it has all the earmarkings of a genocide just waiting to happen, i get real ticked off cause i've had it up to here (raises hand over head) with the whole genocidal thing (not to mention, believing there's a good guy who came to visit us, taught us that all are equal, did away with slavery, empowered women, taught charity, forgiveness, kindness and patience, that should not be considered a crime against humanity lol ).

and now i realize i have to forgive my mom in law and sister in law.  i'll go work on that now

eek, and i have to forgive pimander and linda etc, too.

oopsie. i'm getting old. sorry folks.

i said this scenario wasn't your fault and it was not.  i just don't fit.  round hole, square peg or something like that.

[Shasta56]

From one odd cookie to another, just remember not to crumble.  I'm a practicing witch from a family of Catholics and Mormons.  I follow the path that I have been called to follow, and I firmly believe in the existence of a spiritual ecosystem.  I had a great conversation with a young Muslim girl a few weeks ago.  She was well educated and passionate about her beliefs.  Just keep being your idiosyncratic self.

Shasta

[undo11]

From one odd cookie to another, just remember not to crumble.  I'm a practicing witch from a family of Catholics and Mormons.  I follow the path that I have been called to follow, and I firmly believe in the existence of a spiritual ecosystem.  I had a great conversation with a young Muslim girl a few weeks ago.  She was well educated and passionate about her beliefs.  Just keep being your idiosyncratic self.

Shasta

interesting combination of religions.  the catholics believe the pope is the final word and the mormons think the president of the mormon church is the final word. 

did you see that video at ats called I, PET GOAT II ?
here it is. strap on your seat belt. this is one heckuva
video and deserves its own thread at prc, i think

[burntheships]

I think i know what my problem is.  I don't fit in here.

I think you do, if we look at the forum and not the users.

Yes, I agree with ArMap!

No one here is going to agree on everything, and sure enough
there will be all kinds of issues with everyone!



So....Undo, dont go! Please stay!

[zorgon]

A Forum is the Modern Tower of Babble

Everyone speaks but no one understands

Someone makes a post about a Lost Mayan City and the first response is dealing with Viktor Schauberger and NAZI vortex energy

You know how many times I see a presentation by a member and people say "Nice idea BUT I believe its this way.." then the next person has a third theory. By the end of page two no one even knows what the point of the OP was.  When NASA says "Stargates are Real" and not one person caught that, we have the Tower of Babble

Everyone in a forum has a different believe. You can put three Muslims in a room and find three different interpretations of the religion.

Even Secret Societies like the Rosicrucians have different factions.. AMORC on the Light Side Aleister Crowly and the Golden Dawn on the Dark side... like Jedi's and Sith's

I spent many years talking to religious leaders of many sects.  I ran into two types... Those that give the attitude.."Its not ours to question the Word"  and those that take the time to discuss it rationally. And they listen to your views and at the end you say "Interesting conversation" and shake hands, whether you agree or not

Oddly enough the later type were higher up in the hierarchy that the former type.

Any discussion that even hints at the word religion will stir the pot. Until the world settles into ONE global religion. there will never be agreement.  America is supposed to be a mixing bowl of all religions.

Be nice if we could stir that bowl here without the lumps

A Tibetan Motto

"A Thousand Monks, A Thousand Religions"

There is not only one truth

[Shasta56]

I tend to equate lumps with speedbumps.  I don't like them, but they exist.  In my conversation with the Muslim girl, the one thing we completely agreed on was tolerance.  As I said, I have a firm belief in a spiritual ecosystem.  A physical ecosystem requires variety in order to exist.  I believe the same is true for a spiritual ecosystem.  Just my feline musings.

Shasta

[undo11]

z

my original point was that if a topic of that magnitude is brought up and is predicated on, as yet, unprovable premises, why should my view of it be the only view that is not acceptable for discussion?  i can tell you why, cause i'm still a square peg trying to fit into a round hole.  i know that.  sometimes there's enough square pegs in the same area that i can get away with discussing my view without it being a big problem as they would join in the conversation from the same or similar perspective.  but if there are too many square pegs in the same place, same problems arise as if there are few to no square pegs.

 

[zorgon]

If a premise is unprovable from either point of view, then it becomes opinion. At some point one has to decided that neither side can prove it and one has to agree to disagree and move on to something else.

The longer one keeps trying to make the other side see their perspective, the more frustrating and heated it becomes.

Square pegs can have their rough edges smoothed out to fit in

You survived all those years at ATS because you had a good premise, but not everyone agreed with every perspective you had in that thread, in fact you yourself changed your view as the years went by.

Surely its not as bad here as it was at ATS, even if the balance of atheist vs religious is not in your favor. 

Look at ArMap... the lone skeptic but keeps his sense of humor (In fact I think it has improved )

BTW Welcome back

[undo11]

z

it isn't bad here at all.  you just give a sort of
preferential treatment for people who share more of your world view than i do.  that's normal, which is why i say i don't belong here.  cause this will just keep happening and you'll eventually just kick me out cause i'm upsetting the apple cart.

[Linda Brown]

Just bound and determined to leave.... right?
So all of the work that you did on Portals is going to be lost because you are worried about being a square peg?
Linda

[undo11]

Just bound and determined to leave.... right?
So all of the work that you did on Portals is going to be lost because you are worried about being a square peg?
Linda

So all the work Z and the rest of you have done, doesn't get drowned out by my constant griping when a thread comes up that offends my sensibilities. lol 

this forum is for controversial topics.  controversy stirs argment and debate, and yes discussion.  Z wants a forum where people who don't agree with a subject, don't say anything at all, so that it remains a discussion for as long as possible.  or if they must argue a point, it should have some valid reason other than religion.  i'm afraid i can't separate who am i as individual, from my world view, and i dare say, this is true about everyone. 

unfortunately my world view is frowned upon generally, and as result, my points are going to be constantly at odds with everyone elses, on certain topics.

[Linda Brown]

So all the work Z and the rest of you have done, doesn't get drowned out by my constant griping when a thread comes up that offends my sensibilities. lol 

this forum is for controversial topics.  controversy stirs argument and debate, and yes discussion.

So?  Z wants a forum where people who don't agree with a subject, don't say anything at all, so that it remains a discussion for as long as possible.

Excuse me but what did you actually say there?What???

or if they must argue a point, it should have some valid reason other than religion.  I'm afraid i can't separate who am i as individual, from my world view, and i dare say, this is true about everyone.

Absolutely. That doesn't mean that we can't train ourselves to respect each others wishes here.... and keep our own personal rantings down to a low roar.... 

unfortunately my world view is frowned upon generally, and as result, my points are going to be constantly at odds with everyone elses, on certain topics. Well then...... learn to avoid those particular topics.... or when someone ventures across your emotional toes... learn to ignore them. I realize that's hard but compared to letting yourself be marginalized and stashed in a corner.... wouldn't a little painful restraint be worth it for you?

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Undo...... STOP......You are completely capable of carrying on a conversation here without getting carried away by your own " world view"..... and you know it, don't you? If you haven't realized yet what has happened here take a harder look.   You have done an astounding amount of work on portals and you are allowing yourself to be encouraged to turn your back on all of that when the discussions here need that information for the next level of discussion.

This is NOT a random negative happening. You have friends here who are more than willing to give you the emotional room that you need to operate happily here.... Don't believe the force that is telling you that you cant be happy and productive and appreciated here. It is a false voice and it is simply trying to remove you from these conversations because you could really make a DIFFERENCE. 

If what I am saying still makes no sense to you and you still believe that you are right then I will accept your retreat.... but boy.... we really would all be alot better off with you here.....

Linda

[undo11]

linda

well that's very nice of you to say.  i'll ponder it. 

[Linda Brown]

All anyone could ask of you. Ponder it.   Linda

[zorgon]

Z wants a forum where people who don't agree with a subject, don't say anything at all, so that it remains a discussion for as long as possible.

Not at all... the question is how long does one repeat the same thing over and over? LOL I can name a few names here who do that

or if they must argue a point, it should have some valid reason other than religion.  i'm afraid i can't separate who am i as individual, from my world view, and i dare say, this is true about everyone. 

Well just as you take every mention of anything Christian to be directed at you, so do many people feel about getting smacked with a bible at every comment.

You did really well presenting Enki at all without resorting to taking the defensive... for what 6 years that the thread ran and is still #1 thread in the Alien UFO section of spook Central?

Why does it have to be different here?

The recent issue with NASA... a solution was tendered... split the topic for those who wanted to follow the religious aspect and those who wanted to follow the "Yay someone going after NASA" angle...

Why can't that be?  It got so intense in there I never even had time to look at the actual document that the OP was about.

Seems to me a split topic would solve the problem

unfortunately my world view is frowned upon generally, and as result, my points are going to be constantly at odds with everyone elses, on certain topics.

What exactly is your world view? Seems I recall you think Enki did it and I know many that agree with that.

Can you not have your world view, I have my world view and everyone else has their own world view... without the need to attempt to drive one point as being more important than another?

I personally find I listen better when the conversation is two sided sharing ideas and maybe each side take a little away with them to think about

When it comes to religion, I have yet to meet two people that share the exact same interpretation. NO ONE today can prove that their interpretation is the only one... yet mankind has been trying to do that for thousands of years

Perhaps its time a few of us take the first step to stop the fight

As to what I want for this forum? Moot point because I realize its an impossible goal...

Maybe I go Medieval and start talking about the Dragon's Faeries and Elves... at least THOSE I can prove