Gary McKinnon Extradition to US Blocked
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About time. Hopefully now he can tell us the stuff he agreed to "forget" about. ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUYrrkN5SyA
More to follow.....
YAY!! GO BRITISH HOME SECRETARY! JUST SAY NO!!
Good God, one of our politician actually showed some backbone...
Sorry chaps, you can't have him, and that's that.
(come and get him if you thnk you're hard enough!)
If you think the Iraqi's and Afghanistanis have given you trouble with IED's just try and invade the country that gave the world the industral revolution...
Wow, we still have some shreds of a national sense of fair play.
That's right cheered me up that has! I think I'll go and put the kettle on and see if I can find some patriotic english music. I really though they were going to fold and send him over there...
Fruitbat!
Oh here you go then. How's this for Patriotic nonsense. :o
"Britains never, never, never, shall be slaves."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rB5Nbp_gmgQ
Theresa May has made the right decision on Gary McKinnon, but there are wider implicationsOk, more seriously..... This case has implications for whether cyber crime should be tried in the country where the crime was committed or not. If I hack the Pentagon, how can the Pentagon prosecute me when I committed the offence in the UK?
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It is 10 years since he was first arrested, and his case has come to symbolise a purported imbalance in the extradition arrangements between the UK and the US. But there is a further issue at stake here: should someone be extradited to another country for an offence that was not committed there? Mr McKinnon admitted hacking into the American military computer network, but never left his bedroom in London to do so. His lawyers argued that if a crime was suspected then he should be tried in this country. However, it is easy to see where that argument falls down. What if a terrorist plots an attack from this country that kills dozens in an American city: would we then say that he should not be sent for trial in the country where the atrocity happened? There was no campaign on behalf of Abu Hamza when it was decided to extradite him to America recently. There is also a wider issue here about internet crime since it can be committed in many jurisdiictions.
It is no coincidence that the 2003 Extradition Act followed the worst terrorist attack in history. It enacted the European Arrest Warrant and a new bilateral deal with America, both of which have been criticised – the former for removing any requirement for a prima facie evidence that crime has been committed; and the latter for being biased in favour of America.
SOURCE: http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/philipjohnston/100185179/gary-mckinnon-the-right-decision-but-there-are-wider-implications/
More at the link provided.
We might be wrong but at least we are strong! (Goodness, when you get into it, this patritic stuff is quite heady isn't it? )
It was reassuring to see that the brit audience wasn't quiet so serious about it all as some other country's audiences seem to get.
Anyway, for the English out there, I am sure this is the song some of you really want to groove to:
I hope it works, I dont think I have ever tried embedding a video before...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpEWpK_Dl7M
FB!
Kerry Cassidy Interview with Gary McKinnon
Here is a Camelot interview with Gary. This is especially for those of you not familiar with this case or who may need a reminder. In this interview he describes downloading a picture of what looked like an alien craft and reading a list of "non-terrestrial officers" and seeing the Navy space ships they were assigned to. If you haven't seen it this is a must view peice of UFO history.
Oh yes, Kerry doesn't talk too much in this one and Gary is allowed to be centre stage. :o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fNsah-0vpY
I'd like to know whether Gary has his bail conditions lifted at this point. Does anyone know whether that is possible now?
lastest i could find but dowsn't mention bail conditions..sorry
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19968973
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2 hours ago – The mother of British computer hacker Gary McKinnon says she is ... The mother of British computer hacker Gary McKinnon has welcomed Home Secretary Theresa May's decision to block his extradition to the US. ... Mr McKinnon's bail conditions, imposed since 2005, have now been lifted, meaning he can ...
Quote from: Pimander on October 16, 2012, 04:39:54 PM
If I hack the Pentagon, how can the Pentagon prosecute me when I committed the offence in the UK?
Well that is simple... as a foreigner attacking US facilities we can get ya under the catchall TERRORISM label and then... to quote an enforcer...
Quote from: The Executioner on October 16, 2012, 06:55:54 PM
And that would not be a laughing matter!
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Now I look at it this way... after four days of dealing with putting the forum back on its feet thanks to either a hacker, script kiddie, anonymous goon or what have you... I lean to the above solution for ANYONE that thinks hackers are cool :P
My bank called me at the same time and asked about suspicious activity on my account... Fortunately that was a false alarm as the new server appears to be based in London so the charge oversea for the account set off a red flag
Also a few weeks back hackers stole 420,000 email passwords from Yahoo accounts and 1 million from LinkedIn... THAT effected me being locked out of my email account and needed a password reset at Earthlink and Amazon ( I still had the same password there) Also don't forget the not so long ago email and password theft at ATS where over 8000 names were compromised
And these emails and password get POSTED in public so any script kiddie? hacker wanna be can mess with you
Not that long ago we found that SKYPE was compromised and many should remember the trouble THAT caused us here
So yeah as far as hackers go, Executioner has the right idea :D
Gary will make a GREAT Poster Boy for Marijauna use :P
"The Americans have a secret spaceship?" I ask.
"That's what this trickle of evidence has led me to believe."
"Some kind of other Mir that nobody knows about?"
"I guess so," says Gary.
"What were the ship names?"
"I can't remember," says Gary. "I was smoking a lot of dope at the time. Not good for the intellect."
I rest my case
;)
geee whiz executionor sir...
if i can't remember what i saw..
then it really doesn't count
right?
cause that would be....
like..
not even seeing it.
.right?
holy crap ..he's got a axe
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i didn't meannnnnnnnnnnnnnnn iiiiiiiittttttttttttttttttttttt
Ah, so what? Bill Gates probably smoked a few doobies when he was working on his software :o Certainly explains a lot about the Windoze structure :P
I understand the problem with kiddies getting their hands on passwords etc but this guy is being completely honest about it (and very humble, too, not yer average hacker at all)
The way i see it, he's right, this info should be gotten out by any means and given to the people who paid for it....
In any case, it's their own fault, blank passwords, how dumb is that???
There are hackers who steal from other people and then there are hackers who think to themselves...........I wonder, I wonder if I can get into NASA or this or that highly classified site and see what I can see.
If their security was so great no one would get in but Julian Assange, (bless his heart but I do love Julian) and Gary had the nerve to hack into something people arent supposed to.
Well suck it up NASA and whoever else, your not infallible. Plus, Gary has a form of autism and smoked pot, I give him a get out of gaol free card and as for Julian well he is a darn good dancer I know cuz i have seen him dance and I think his good looking so he gets a get out of gaol card as well. So there. :P
His not bad for his early 40's, brains and good looks on the dance floor.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNqd4hW98sQ
I have a real hard time with people like Asange and McKinnon and so called 'hackers'.. 'Well we just want to see if we could do it' or 'I think they're evil so I can do what I want and expose they're evil deeds'.. Or 'Dude I was just stoned and did it for a lark'. A hacker, is a hacker is a hacker is a hacker. They are criminals and I don't give a damn what's the cause (Because everyone's cause is justified). I hope they all burn in hell....Just saying ::)
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on October 17, 2012, 12:26:14 AM
I have a real hard time with people like Asange and McKinnon and so called 'hackers'.. 'Well we just want to see if we could do it' or 'I think they're evil so I can do what I want and expose they're evil deeds'.. Or 'Dude I was just stoned and did it for a lark'. A hacker, is a hacker is a hacker is a hacker. They are criminals and I don't give a damn what's the cause (Because everyone's cause is justified). I hope they all burn in hell....Just saying ::)
And I have a problem with the US sending off their young men and women to get killed and maimed for nothing but their own bloody hidden agendas. So they can bloody burn in hell as well.
Assange has got guts, Gary sat at his computer one night stoned and as we well all know has a form of autism. He should not be sent over to the US Nazi Homeland bloody security for them to do whatever, the UK wont have it and that's that.
And Assange got tied up just because he can get girls into bed if he wants. That was consensual in Sweden and everyone knows it, it is just the two women got gently persuaded ::) to change their minds.
Credit where credit is due Rock. If they were ripping off people that would be another thing but Julian was brought up by a radical mother all his life and was determined to get to the truth and ooooh, the arseholes over in the US ptw dont like it, stiff.
WELL THERE!...BWAWAWALOLOLOLOLOL.....
Poking out tongue with hands on head wiggling. LOL.
GETTING RED IN THE FACE AND FARTING....LOLOL... 8)
Hackers suck! Gold for you Rock!
hey LE
unfair...
i was logging in to say that... ;D
way to go sarge..gold for that answer
the first one
THERE!...BWAWAWALOLOLOLOLOL.....
;D ;)
Quote from: sky otter on October 17, 2012, 02:19:09 AM
hey LE
unfair...
i was logging in to say that... ;D
way to go sarge..gold for that answer
the first one
THERE!...BWAWAWALOLOLOLOLOL.....
;D ;)
You picking on your aussie pal sky. :P
ah biggs....after your rant on my home country i wouldn't call that pickin on anyone..
i thought sarge did a great job of not fighting and in the fewest number of words got his point across
how ya dooin anywho ;D
Quote from: sky otter on October 17, 2012, 02:39:44 AM
ah biggs....after your rant on my home country i wouldn't call that pickin on anyone..
i thought sarge did a great job of not fighting and in the fewest number of words got his point across
how ya dooin anywho ;D
Honey, I love the good people of the US. I only rant against governments, mine, yours and everybody else's and the pains that control us poor innocents.
Still putting Manuka honey on my foot, but it looks a bit better.
No matter what anyone says I will stand up for the good people of the US, cuz I got a lot of good friends over there; I mean there is you, our good friend Winehippie and her sis and heavens above Zorgon, who I rant at a lot but he knows I love him...........a wittle bit.
Not going to get into the hacker debate... What I found intriguing in the RT report were a few things:
1. What He found in the computers was not mentioned.
2. They used the term "mental illness" which connotes far worse than Aspergers.
3. The US was framed as a bully
4. Having gone down further into the rabbit hole, I know that RT is just another gatekeeper thing...
5. This seems like a timed event...
So... For fear of the Executioner, I will not admit I am glad to see Gary kept in the UK.
Quote from: Amaterasu on October 17, 2012, 04:32:26 AM
3. The US was framed as a bully
I greatly welcome any opportunity for the American government to be reminded of the fact that it does not rule the entirety of this planet. It is apparent that the depraved cabal of necrotic geriatrics, which is euphemistically referred to as the American legislative branch, (of whom Joseph Lieberman is perhaps the most prominent example) are in need of constant reminding of that fact.
I have said it before, and I will say it again. As Rome's also was before it, the building which houses the American Congress is a mausoleum. It is a tomb, and it is inhabited by a collective of fascist ghouls, which have become the bane of the entire world. Any effort whatsoever that is made, however incremental, to drive back the darkness which continually emanates from Washington, is to be applauded.
Well, see, I think it was calculated, thrown in there to appease the People They are gatekeeping.
Quote from: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on October 16, 2012, 11:21:00 PM
In any case, it's their own fault, blank passwords, how dumb is that???
Well it was NASA afterall :P That about covers it :D And do any of you really think NASA has any secret list of off planet Military officers on their unprotected little lap tops (like the one that was stolen that had the operating codes for the ISS on it)? Seriously?
Now if he had hacked a NAVY website.. then maybe.. but nothing secret is stored on the internet anyway. He would have had to hack SiPRNET to get anything even remotely secret
LOL he probably saw the log of the Penelope and its crew. Penelope is a strategy space simulation developed by a US Army Counter Intel officer. He was actually posting at ATS as the Captain of the Peneolpe I am sure ArMaP recalls :D
And yeah he is the real Army Intel... he proved it to me better that showing an ID badge online :D
I once sent him a paper that I needed to find out if it was declassified as it wasn't marked.
So if Gary 'hacked' into computers at NASA that were not on SiPRNET and had no passwords, I doubt he saw anything real
But heck, what do I know :P For having found nothing, he sure is known around the world :D
Guess that makes me chopped liver LMAO
Quote from: petrus4 on October 17, 2012, 05:11:45 AM
It is a tomb, and it is inhabited by a collective of fascist ghouls, which have become the bane of the entire world.
If that is true... then why does everyone in the world want AMERICAN DOLLARS? Even China and Iran... and Saddam had hordes of it when they caught up with him
Your not one of those neo-NAZI Commie Pinkos are ya? :o
::)
Quote from: biggles on October 17, 2012, 12:00:03 AM
There are hackers who steal from other people and then there are hackers who think to themselves...........I wonder, I wonder if I can get into NASA or this or that highly classified site and see what I can see.
Well most NASA computers don't have much good stuff on them. The secret space command has NOTHING to do with NASA so why would anyone think they would find anything there?
NASA does have a classified server. Maybe Gary should have asked me to give him the link :D Look at the url highlighted in YELLOW below... that is where NASA keeps the good stuff :D
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Mars4/Life/NASA_Access_001.png)
QuoteIf their security was so great no one would get in but Julian Assange, (bless his heart but I do love Julian) and Gary had the nerve to hack into something people arent supposed to.
Did any of you actually listen to what Gary said? He didn't HACK into anything he just found open doors with no password then forgot what he saw. Seriously even IOF that was true, everything you do on the internet is save in your temporary internet cache. All he had to do is pull up those files. Whatever he saw on screen would have been saved in the temp folder
QuoteWell suck it up NASA and whoever else, your not infallible. Plus, Gary has a form of autism and smoked pot, I give him a get out of gaol free card and as for Julian well he is a darn good dancer I know cuz i have seen him dance and I think his good looking so he gets a get out of gaol card as well. So there. :P
Well Gary can get out of Jail (the one he was NEVER in yet :P) but he isn't any hero. If people really think that his way is the way to get info, then I might as well close Pegasus and go back to chasing Elves and Faeries :D
As to Wikileaks... they leaked 250,000 cables... can you or anyone out there send me ONE of them that has any real info beyond diplomatic gossip? Would appreciate that as I don't have time to go through all that... the ones I did sounded more like a good old US Soap Opera :D
The folks at ATS spent many months looking through those. I didn't see one that revealed anything secret.
I suppose it depends on what you look for... whether you want 'heros' that look good on TV with a cool story... or if you actually want to know what is really going on
Ah well back to sorting my rocks :D Anyone want to buy a Dino Egg? I neez a new car :P
Well you answered the question. There wasn't anything important that they uncovered.......................So.............
Why in the friggin hell are they so hell bent on extraditing them to Nazi Homeland Security. :P
Quote from: zorgon on October 17, 2012, 09:37:12 AM
If that is true... then why does everyone in the world want AMERICAN DOLLARS? Even China and Iran... and Saddam had hordes of it when they caught up with him
Your not one of those neo-NAZI Commie Pinkos are ya? :o
::)
Last I heard the USD wasnt worth anything, but I suppose it changes every week.
And stop picking on the aussies Zorgy. :P
No nasty comments please to my fellow citizens from my home town or biggles will jump down and cattail. :P
Quotethe depraved cabal of necrotic geriatrics,
Love it, sounds like our own house of parliament LOL..
Z may be right, i find it hard to believe that NAZA left anything THAT secret lying around.
That sort of stuff doesn't get posted on the net....at least a visible one...
I will say one thing about haqckers;
The gov. is so busy hacking into our lives, tracing calls & emails etc, now & then causing a site to crash....
We need people who can play them at their own game.
Well, as it seems there arent many useful things on wikileaks, and Gary didnt have access to any real data...my guess is they are both being used as scapegoats or bait for certain folks to come out of their cocoon and expose themselves.
Another form of disinfo. Diversions.
And, hey Zorgon, Ill trade you some old swarovski crystal rosaries for that dino egg! ;)
Cheers!
I'm pretty surprised at some of the comments.
1. We don't know what Gary McKinnon saw. He has not told all because he thought he might need "insurance" (like Lazar) and was obviously told what he could discuss - which also means he was allowed to say what he did IMO.
2. If he saw nothing then why the massive interest in him by the US authorities? As Gary said, there were people all over the world accessing the computers. Somebody DID MAKE A MISTAKE at the DoD end, again in my opinion.
3. The American government aren't just portrayed as international bullies, they are international bullies (as are the UK are to a lesser extent). FACT!
4. Yes, us Brits have every right to be proud that our government is standing up to bullies. The extradition treaty was signed just after 9/11 and was unfairly weighted in favour of the understandably grief stricken, but oh so opportunistic, USA.
5. Gary did not hack into the computers, he accessed them. He was not a US citizen or on US soil so committed no crime in the USA in the first place.
6. He did probably break UK law. Gary admits this and will now, rightly, be dealt with by the UK justice system for a crime committed in the UK, as a UK citizen.
As for hackers being all bad. Complete crap.
In an era when government secrecy keeps free energy technology from the citizens that paid for its development, we need people with the balls to find out what they have. Hacking for information (not financial or personal gain) is exactly the same thing that motivates researchers like us to look for holes in the elaborate webs of secrecy and misdirection. There are certain crimes that I'd be tempted to commit to access that information - including hacking. If you would not, then perhaps courage is something you lack. Some people are too right wing for their own good. Think about it! :P
If Gary did see something important, public comments like hackers should be shot have already made my attempts to get Gary's confidence practically impossible. Remember when we regressed Bob Lazar. Is that likely to happen now? ::)
ETA: I am not an anti-American. I love a lot about you guys and envy your constitution (although I am shocked how often your President and Gov't are allowed to break it or the Bill of Rights). Many of my criticisms of the US gov't apply to the UK gov't too. However, we have a better track record regarding how we treat foreigners and justice. I am considering emigrating to the USA Canada or Oz/NZ so the fact is, I love you really. ;)
Quote from: Pimander on October 17, 2012, 03:23:58 PM
As for hackers being all bad. Complete crap.
In an era when government secrecy keeps free energy technology from the citizens that paid for its development, we need people with the balls to find out what they have. Hacking for information (not financial or personal gain) is exactly the same thing that motivates researchers like us to look for holes in the elaborate webs of secrecy and misdirection. There are certain crimes that I'd be tempted to commit to access that information - including hacking. If you would not, then perhaps courage is something you lack. Some people are too right wing for their own good. Think about it! :P
Thank You, Pim. I was casting about trying to find these very words! Yes, hacking for personal gain or doing damage is reprehensible. Hacking Our servants' machines to find that which They hide from Us and for which We paid... Whole 'nother story!
And Gary surely did not hack to do damage or gain anything personally. I will now admit I am glad He will not be thrown to the wolves.
Quote from: Pimander on October 17, 2012, 03:23:58 PM
As for hackers being all bad. Complete crap.
As someone who won't necessarily claim to be a hacker, but who probably does consider themselves (at least at times) vaguely hack
ish...
The Jargon File (which is, at least according to some, a fairly large tome of what used to be hacker vocabulary) includes both the words
hacker and
cracker. The media generally mis-defines the term
hacker, occasionally deliberately. From the Jargon File itself:-
hacker (http://catb.org/jargon/html/H/hacker.html): n.
[originally, someone who makes furniture with an axe]
1. A person who enjoys exploring the details of programmable systems and how to stretch their capabilities, as opposed to most users, who prefer to learn only the minimum necessary. RFC1392, the Internet Users' Glossary, usefully amplifies this as: A person who delights in having an intimate understanding of the internal workings of a system, computers and computer networks in particular.
2. One who programs enthusiastically (even obsessively) or who enjoys programming rather than just theorizing about programming.
3. A person capable of appreciating hack value.
4. A person who is good at programming quickly.
5. An expert at a particular program, or one who frequently does work using it or on it; as in 'a Unix hacker'. (Definitions 1 through 5 are correlated, and people who fit them congregate.)
6. An expert or enthusiast of any kind. One might be an astronomy hacker, for example.
7. One who enjoys the intellectual challenge of creatively overcoming or circumventing limitations.
8. [deprecated] A malicious meddler who tries to discover sensitive information by poking around. Hence password hacker, network hacker. The correct term for this sense is cracker.
The definition of
cracker (http://catb.org/jargon/html/C/cracker.html):-
cracker: n.
One who breaks security on a system. Coined ca. 1985 by hackers in defense against journalistic misuse of hacker (q.v., sense 8}. An earlier attempt to establish worm in this sense around 1981--82 on Usenet was largely a failure.
Use of both these neologisms reflects a strong revulsion against the theft and vandalism perpetrated by cracking rings. The neologism "cracker" in this sense may have been influenced not so much by the term "safe-cracker" as by the non-jargon term "cracker", which in Middle English meant an obnoxious person (e.g., "What cracker is this same that deafs our ears / With this abundance of superfluous breath?" — Shakespeare's King John, Act II, Scene I) and in modern colloquial American English survives as a barely gentler synonym for "white trash".
While it is expected that any real hacker will have done some playful cracking and knows many of the basic techniques, anyone past larval stage is expected to have outgrown the desire to do so except for immediate, benign, practical reasons (for example, if it's necessary to get around some security in order to get some work done).
Thus, there is far less overlap between hackerdom and crackerdom than the mundane reader misled by sensationalistic journalism might expect. Crackers tend to gather in small, tight-knit, very secretive groups that have little overlap with the huge, open poly-culture this lexicon describes; though crackers often like to describe themselves as hackers, most true hackers consider them a separate and lower form of life. An easy way for outsiders to spot the difference is that crackers use grandiose screen names that conceal their identities. Hackers never do this; they only rarely use noms de guerre at all, and when they do it is for display rather than concealment.
Ethical considerations aside, hackers figure that anyone who can't imagine a more interesting way to play with their computers than breaking into someone else's has to be pretty losing. Some other reasons crackers are looked down on are discussed in the entries on cracking and phreaking. See also samurai, dark-side hacker, and hacker ethic. For a portrait of the typical teenage cracker, see warez d00dz.I do not consider Gary McKinnon a cracker. It's possible that his activity was a normal part of larval stage (http://catb.org/jargon/html/L/larval-stage.html) activity, as mentioned; I've gone through that phase, and it is an entirely normal part of hackish infancy, as ESR describes. It's also possible that he was acting from vigilante motives; I don't know.
As an aside, Julian Assange is what is sometimes known as a
grey hat; someone who is involved in security, and occasionally does openly destructive things, while more commonly engaging in beneficial acts. As the term implies, it describes someone who could be described as having a Neutral alignment. Assange has the typical psychological profile associated with grey hats; he is extremely arrogant.
The one thing which both of these men have in common, is that they violated the psychological sense of universal or global sovereignty, more commonly known as American exceptionalism, which is traditional among the more degenerate/psychopathic elements of the American government.
That is the real reason why the American government is prepared to act as relentlessly and tenaciously as it is, in order to capture both men. McKinnon has not been hunted to the degree that he has because of any specific information that he might have; his real crime was a violation of the American sense of national vulnerability, and the same for Assange.
The archetypical American national profile, is one of of both chronic paranoia and insecurity; and to a large extent, this is an outgrowth of the country's systemic white supremacist racism. White Americans tend (whether consciously or unconsciously) to view themselves as the epitome of the human species, and said self-perception probably reaches its' most pathological degree within the Marine Corps. The only real difference between the Ku Klux Klan and most of the mainstream American population, is that the Klan openly and formally express, what most Americans will not allow themselves to admit that they also think.
It was also this which prompted the annihilation of Iraq, and the degree of torture of Iraqis and Afghans which occurred within Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib. Its' national Superman complex and belief in its' divine right to rule the planet, is the American government's (and to a lesser extent, also that of the domestic population) main psychological vulnerability, and violation of such is the main thing that will cause them to become literally berserk, with Iraq being the most prominent example of the end result of said rage.
It is my awareness of this, which has caused me to believe that Julian Assange in particular is quite literally a dead man walking, at this point. Men like Lieberman
will not stop until they kill him. Truman didn't drop the nuclear bombs on Japan because they would not surrender; they were petitioning for surrender before the bombs were dropped. Truman ordered them dropped as an act of retaliation for Pearl Harbour; as an example of the American belief that while it is perfectly acceptable for any and every other nation on the planet to be utterly destroyed if need be, American territory is sacrosanct, and must never be touched.
This is not intended as a personal attack on the American members of this forum; you think the way you do in this regard because your government wants you to do so, and it has employed its' intelligence system to train you from birth to think that way. It makes you easier for them to control, and it also makes you more willing to fight the wars that they continually want to start.
QuoteETA: I am not an anti-American. I love a lot about you guys and envy your constitution (although I am shocked how often your President and Gov't are allowed to break it or the Bill of Rights).
My own loathing of the American government, should not be interpreted as dislike of Americans themselves. Quite the contrary, in fact. I believe that domestic Americans have a moral imperative to dislike their government to a far greater degree than I do.
Here's a write-up of an interview with Gary:
http://paranormalis.com/threads/the-nerd-who-saw-too-much.4150/
PIMANDER NOTE: The article is slightly inaccurate. Gary McKinnon did not hack into Pentagon computer systems. He got into DoD and NASA systems I believe. He says that Pentagon systems were as secure as the British MoD systems so he could not get in.
Hacker bashing is just another excuse for the Government to take away your freedoms.
FBI: Hackers Are The New Al-Qaeda (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=3006.new#new)
VERY true, Pim!
QuoteThe extradition treaty was signed just after 9/11 and was unfairly weighted in favour of the understandably grief stricken, but oh so opportunistic, USA.
Hear hear!
QuoteAs for hackers being all bad. Complete crap.
There are so-called white-hat hackers, they do a lot of good ::)
One of them showed me how my internet banking could be compromised, told me not to do it.
He was right.
This was the same guy who as part of a team, shut down an AT&T satellite for a few days, because AT&T had tried to fleece some people over their telephone bills, the hackers heard it, & took action.
That's got to be worth something........ok so a few people couldn't make that connection to the USA, but it cost AT&T thousands in lost revenues....
QuoteHacker bashing is just another excuse for the Government to take away your freedoms.
Yes.
Sorry, hackers are scum of the earth!
Rock, your younger than I am, be nice to us elderly ladies. :-* lol
younger? how old do you think I am?
Well I was born on 25 March, 1954. I'd say you are a tad younger.
Quote from: Pimander on October 17, 2012, 03:23:58 PM
3. The American government aren't just portrayed as international bullies, they are international bullies (as are the UK are to a lesser extent). FACT!
Yes, Pim. I know. I was just amused by the fact that a "news program" gave them that portrayal. (Especially knowing it's a gatekeeper corp...)
Quote from: biggles on October 18, 2012, 12:04:51 AM
Well I was born on 25 March, 1954. I'd say you are a tad younger.
Lol ... Try 16 Jan 1950!
I feel so YOUNG! 1957!
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on October 17, 2012, 11:02:53 PM
Sorry, hackers are scum of the earth!
People who join the military (and are involved in killing folks) are just all great but hackers trying to help humanity are scum. ::)
If only life was as black and white as that. :P
Gold for You, Pim.
Quote from: Amaterasu on October 18, 2012, 03:15:14 PM
Gold for You, Pim.
Me too.
And I seem to be the baby here, at three years younger than Ameraterasu...
This gold thing I do not understand. Can I only give them one at a time? I assume they are a way of commending someone's posts, and having read the quality of some posts I simply do not understand how I have so many, hence my wish to give it back a little faster. and whilst I am asking questions, how do the stars work? IS it just chronological or is tehre another mechanism at play. I did take a bit of a shufti round the site in a half hearted effort to answer my own question, before asking...
Cheers, FB!
Quote from: Fruitbat on October 18, 2012, 04:17:51 PM
This gold thing I do not understand. Can I only give them one at a time? I assume they are a way of commending someone's posts, and having read the quality of some posts I simply do not understand how I have so many, hence my wish to give it back a little faste
You can normally only give one to a member then have to wait before giving more. There are different settings for Global Mods and I suspect one has been a little over-generous with a few members.
Quote from: Pimander on October 18, 2012, 11:01:19 AM
People who join the military (and are involved in killing folks) are just all great but hackers trying to help humanity are scum. ::)
If only life was as black and white as that. :P
Apples & oranges, apple & oranges.
Quote from: Pimander on October 18, 2012, 04:29:21 PM
You can normally only give one to a member then have to wait before giving more. There are different settings for Global Mods and I suspect one has been a little over-generous with a few members.
Well, in my case they have just given me some hard work to give them away, until I get back to the single digits which in my wildest moments of hubris I actually believe I MAY deserve... But I am grateful that someone liked something I did, and take it as an indication that I am on the right track at least occasionally.
It's all good. FB!
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on October 18, 2012, 04:44:44 PM
Apples & oranges, apple & oranges.
I appreciate your presence on this forum, Sargeant. You've offered me a valuable opportunity for the testing, and thus reinforcement, of my own developing commitment to emotional self-control, within this thread.