When corporations and governments conspire to plunder the mineral wealth of the planet the citizenry is being ripped off, and it's completely legal. Who says the oil, natural gas, gold, silver and the rest of our natural resources belong to the corporation? Those minerals belong to ALL of us, and we are due our fair share. I move that voters change this modus operandi and be paid.
Peace and Love,
JD
The citizens want minerals? Then let the lazy ass citizens get off their butts and go dig them up. I for one am not going to do the work to give you a cut :P
Here is the work involved
1) Need a vehicle and gas to get to the location, usually in some barely accessible spot
2) Need tools... at the minimum hand tools like pick, shovel, screen, pan, hammer, chisel, goggles, sledge.
3) Need camping equipment because rarely will you have time to do a dig in one day
So far I have put out a lot of money. Are you going to give me a fair share of EXPENSES? If so you may be entitled to a cut..
So once you FIND a good spot with a possible pocket of minerals... you have to work hard hours digging and splitting rock. Then you need to sort them, clean them and high grade them. Likely 10% of your work will produce anything of value. If you have a good day
Then you get them home and need to trim them to make them presentable ie trim off the access rock to make the mineral pretty enough to make someone want it.
More tools needed a diamond saw is a minimum must have, tumblers, etc. More money spent still no PROFIT.
In the case of metals like gold and silver, you need to crush the ore and either screen and pan it or take it to a smelter because to have your own crusher, ore mill and smelter costs a small fortune.
So how much of the costs are YOU willing to put up as your 'fair share' so you are entitles to your cut? What's that? Didn't hear you :P
John Lear has such a small Gold Mine basically a small operation run by a few family. Well the BLM decided to give the land back to the TORTOISE so all that gold is still their...back in public domain. As they didn't renew that permit, the buildings ore crusher and mill had to be sold/torn down to get back the deposit of 185,000. Now in all those years of working that mine to get CLOSE to the ore... there was never a 1.00 profit... only expenses. And now that it is closed before it became productive, it is all a LOSS
I am waiting for a check from you for your share of those costs...
I'll post some pictures of the mine in a bit... but you freeloaders :P just want the payday, and forget the costs and work involved.
Now all that gold out there in that area (Gold Butte Nevada) is owned by all the people and the Desert Tortoise... you are free to take a hammer and shovel and dig some up, but nothing heavier.
Where is it exactly? Oh ask the government :P I ain't drawing you a map :D
John and Zorgon at the Mine
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/Mine_Photos/pict0166aty4.jpg)
Ore Crusher and Woofer Table
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/Mine_Photos/woofertablekk4.jpg)
Assay Shack and Ore Crusher
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/Mine_Photos/8990981a.jpg)
Ball Mill
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/Mine_Photos/42419708a.jpg)
The Mill and Assay Lab after the TORTOISE WAR
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/Mine_Photos/01a.JPG)
Looking to the Cabin... the old workshop and store house.
The cabin was still standing last time I was up there in May 2010
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/Mine_Photos/04a.JPG)
The Workshop before...
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/Mine_Photos/meandzorgonde9.jpg)
... and after
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/Mine_Photos/05a.JPG)
So there ya go... all that gold in several hundred acres is FREE for the taking of any joe public that has the BALLS to do the work... just don't mess with the almighty TORTOISE or you will go staright to federal pen :D
(http://schools.bcsd.com/fremont/Graphics/Science/living%20things/desert/DesertTortoise.jpg)
BTW that cactus is edible for humans, sold in grocery stores here... in case you do have the balls to head out and try your luck, it's good to know what can keep you alive :P
I don't care about that position; the bottom line is those minerals belong to all of us. If you want to get picky, the minerals within a state boundary should be owned equally by those who live within the borders of that state.
Your expenses in mining are not my problem. When you ask someone to hunt meteorites on their land, or hunt geese, the owner sets the terms of the deal, and usually the owner gets a cut. I don't genuflect when people with means think they can muscle their way into the treasure which rightfully belongs to all of us. The fact that the system isn't set up to accommodate the rights of the citizens, or protect (us) against tyranny or theft is not sufficient argument for the plunder the resources at will.
Permit money or other fees involved should be given to the citizens who are "out" the resources after bigshot wannabes have had their way (or not) with the minerals. Your argument against the citizens being paid their fair share (whatever that turns out to be as agreed by the voters) is weak. Your argument assumes that anyone can take anything from anyone anywhere as long as you get to it first, and by virtue of your effort and trouble in plundering.
Go fish. Love ya, but...
JD
Speaking of Minerals...
I am almost ready to start selling them via Land of Legends Store. I have a few already online and will be adding them daily over the summer as soon as I get them photographed and graded
But here is one of the best ones form my own collection. You only find these rarely or trade for them from people that come to rock shows
Fluorite generally crystallizes in the octahedron or dodecahedral form... so you will get soccer ball like crystals or two four sided pyramids back to back like these examples.
(http://earthandstars.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/fluorite-octo.jpg)
Fluorite Octahedron Crystal
These crystals are common and can be found easily for a few dollars... the one below is from the same mine in China as mine and shows the ball crystal..
(http://antiquehelper.rfcsystems.com/Full/164/102164.jpg)
Fluorite Dodecahedral Crystals size 8 inches x 4 inches
Purple Fluorite; De'An Mine, Wushan, Jianxi Province, China
Auctioned at: Dan Ripley Select Natural History Auction (http://www.antiquehelper.com/item/388149)
Estimate: $5,000.00 - $6,000.00
Realized: $3250
(http://www.astrogallery.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/PurpleFluorite1_glavna.png)
Fluorite Dodecahedral Crystals
Purple Fluorite; De'An Mine, Wushan, Jianxi Province, China
Sold at: Astro Gallery of Gems 185 Madison Ave New York (http://www.astrogallery.com/purple-fluorite/)
Price $15,000.00
Cool looks like they are going to hit Ebay now... that bodes well for me :D
Okay so my piece...
This one is a VERY RARE Fluorite Crystal from China. It crystallized in CUBIC form.
Fluorite Crystals
(http://landoflegendslv.com/00shoppes/03Legends/04images/museum_specimens/Fluorite_CN_002.jpg)
Location:
De'An Mine, Wushan, Jianxi Province, China
Unusually deep lavender-raspberry coloration on a white druzy Aragonite matrix. Excellent condition..
Dimensions: 7" x 5" x 5"
Weight 6lbs 5oz
Price: Contact for Price
(I will let it go at $4,200.00 before it goes to auction ;) )
Going to post this in the mineral section that I have ignored for some time 8) If i sell this one I can get that new SUV to go digging again ;)
(http://landoflegendslv.com/00shoppes/03Legends/04images/museum_specimens/Fluorite_CN_004.png)
Top view
Quote from: Anynonmouses on March 17, 2013, 11:46:12 PM
When you ask someone to hunt meteorites on their land, or hunt geese, the owner sets the terms of the deal, and usually the owner gets a cut.
So is the case if the land owner owns the mineral rights, which out west here most do. City dwellers in apartments etc can hardly own those rights but I suppose if a meteorite hits their apartment or car, its theirs. BLM already is allowing permits to hunt them on BLM land and rockhounding is now listed as a Recreational Activity in many parks so long as it's done by hand
QuoteYour argument against the citizens being paid their fair share (whatever that turns out to be as agreed by the voters) is weak.
Let them eat cake!...Well once Amy gets her Abundance Paradigm to the tipping point and until it becomes a viable reality... I will be out there digging :P I don't see the robots being able to do that job :D
You are free to come and help or sit in your armchair whining about what you think is your fair deal... it's still a free country ;)
Hey, mister--I LIKE CAKE! lol
I truly have no problem with hand mining or scavenging. I'm basically upset about corporate miners who reap billions in post-overhead profit. In South Dakota, where I'm from, the Homestake and other corporate mines act as if those resources aren't the people's property, and are stealing (legally) from us.
Happy Trails, tin pan.
Love and Respect,
JD
This is really funny. You mean to tell me that I'm rich? All I gotta do is dig it up? Tell me more. By what right do I own any gold or jewels or oil unless I have a deed? This is so ridiculous. Lol. I can't go on.
Peace
Rock
Anynonmouses,
"Are or do you currently live on a 'Mineral' rich area? Or are you speaking collectively from point of view of that all minerals ever being mined should be left to the people of the state?"
Guess I am a bit confused, but as 'Z' has pointed out, there are scenario's involved when under going such adventures and they sometimes can yield very costly and very devastating results. Just curious?
With Great Respects,
1Worldwatcher
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on March 18, 2013, 12:47:35 AM
You mean to tell me that I'm rich? All I gotta do is dig it up?
Well actually... YES :P I can tell you were to look... and how to look... but I cannot guarantee you will find any.
Did you know that you can hunt GOLD in the trash bins? :P
Actually there are many locations where you can pan for gold... it's just tedious work. But at current prices... doesn't take much
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on March 18, 2013, 12:47:35 AM
This is really funny. You mean to tell me that I'm rich? All I gotta do is dig it up? Tell me more. By what right do I own any gold or jewels or oil unless I have a deed? This is so ridiculous. Lol. I can't go on.
Peace
Rock
Sgt Rocknroll...by what right do you NOT own it? All breathing humans should be getting their piece of the mineral pie which corporations in collusion with our legislators are keeping "private." I get that you are as yet not evolved enough to grasp the concept that corporations treat all of our resources as their own property, but I can forgive your present state of understanding and still call you a brother. You have much evolving to do if you still don't get what I'm trying to get across, because these are simple principles to understand.
Quote from: 1Worldwatcher on March 18, 2013, 12:57:28 AM
Anynonmouses,
"Are or do you currently live on a 'Mineral' rich area? Or are you speaking collectively from point of view of that all minerals ever being mined should be left to the people of the state?"
Guess I am a bit confused, but as 'Z' has pointed out, there are scenario's involved when under going such adventures and they sometimes can yield very costly and very devastating results. Just curious?
With Great Respects,
1Worldwatcher
1Worldwatcher...I'm not limiting the conversation to particular minerals or geography; I'm explaining how things SHOULD be, and will be soon, if I have my way about it. What are considered unimportant chemicals or minerals today might become the revolution of tomorrow. We are inventors. Stay tuned.
As I told Z earlier, the costs incurred by speculators are their problem; doesn't detract one iota (whatever an iota is) from the point.
Thank you all for such interesting and blissfully challenging dialogue. On with it.
Next!
Peace and Love,
JD
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on March 18, 2013, 12:47:35 AM
By what right do I own any gold or jewels or oil unless I have a deed?
On that...it is very simple. Prospecting requires no permits. Rockhounding requires no permits (yet) on public land. IF you strike it big you are allowed to stake a claim (on public land) and then you are required to work that claim. If you do mot show signs of work, then you forfeit that claim
IF you hunt on private land... you need owner permission
IF you find something of value like gold or oil, you then check with the owner if they own the mineral rights.
IF yes you make a deal with the owner to allow access usually for a percentage
IF no, you have the right to demand that the owner allows you access to the mineral with compensation for any damage you do :D
Quote from: Anynonmouses on March 18, 2013, 01:58:31 AM
All breathing humans should be getting their piece of the mineral pie which corporations in collusion with our legislators are keeping "private."
In principle I might agree with you... The Native Americans thought as you do and look where that got them as they had no concept of land ownership. But even animals are pack rats and want to hold private treasures. Look at Ravens and especially Ferrets LOL Those little critters can really get mad when you try to take it back
In practise I don't see it ever happening until the human evolves to the next plane of existence. While we are in THIS physical material plan... we will be pack rats and hoarders.
Living in a fantasy world might be your cup of tea, but I live in the Real here and now. And I have two brothers, Fred & Tom.
Lol
Quote from: Anynonmouses on March 18, 2013, 01:58:31 AM
As I told Z earlier, the costs incurred by speculators are their problem; doesn't detract one iota (whatever an iota is) from the point.
The point no... but the practicality most certainly. If the mining corporations had to share all those profits with each citizen equally they would not have any reason to go dig them up and then NO ONE gets anything
Sure in the future maybe we can get a transporter device like star trek that can just beam the minerals out of the ground... then maybe... but that day isn't here yet and even such a teleporter like device would really suck energy... so you would first need that free energy device.
And so far in my long years of study all I have seen so far is possible maybe's that never get to the working replicable models.
No reason to stop trying.. but so far its all a dream still. And as much as I believe in and practice "The Secret" I don't see any sudden materialization happening. In fact from my studies and trial it appears some outside force is blocking our ability to manifest
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on March 18, 2013, 02:30:00 AM
Living in a fantasy world might be your cup of tea, but I live in the Real here and now. And I have two brothers, Fred & Tom.
Well with two brothers you would have a great team to set up a gold sluice. They are cheap really :D
Quote from: zorgon on March 18, 2013, 02:05:47 AM
In principle I might agree with you... The Native Americans thought as you do and look where that got them as they had no concept of land ownership. But even animals are pack rats and want to hold private treasures. Look at Ravens and especially Ferrets LOL Those little critters can really get mad when you try to take it back
In practise I don't see it ever happening until the human evolves to the next plane of existence. While we are in THIS physical material plan... we will be pack rats and hoarders.
z, Humans are NOT ferrets and pack rats. Take a look at most upper middle class People and see how many of THEM are packrats. You will not find many. Most keep to the level They are comfortable at. The "packrat" syndrome has virtually everything to do with scarcity. What creates this behavior is a fear that They might need [whatever] and not have it. This is not promoted in a world where One may have everything One might choose.
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on March 18, 2013, 02:30:00 AM
Living in a fantasy world might be your cup of tea, but I live in the Real here and now. And I have two brothers, Fred & Tom.
Lol
Sorry 'bout yer luck lol.
Quote from: Anynonmouses on March 18, 2013, 01:58:31 AM
Sgt Rocknroll...by what right do you NOT own it? All breathing humans should be getting their piece of the mineral pie which corporations in collusion with our legislators are keeping "private." I get that you are as yet not evolved enough to grasp the concept that corporations treat all of our resources as their own property, but I can forgive your present state of understanding and still call you a brother. You have much evolving to do if you still don't get what I'm trying to get across, because these are simple principles to understand.
As like Sgt. I was unaware that one could partake of the minerals with in such mineral rich areas. I am not a rock hound or a mineral searcher, so this becomes the issue of "Lack of knowledge" for perspective conversation, and thankfully, "I wasn't the only one scratching my head over the availability of the supply demand for such desired mineral resources."
I have now become "Evolved" I guess. ;)
Quote1Worldwatcher...I'm not limiting the conversation to particular minerals or geography; I'm explaining how things SHOULD be, and will be soon, if I have my way about it.
Do you mean you are petitioning the Gov or other facilities of similar acquittance to over throw the current state of affairs as to what the current Laws, permits or accessibility allow us too do as a freedom for such discoveries?
I can understand where you are coming from with equality factors, and there has been 'Many' before you pushing fro the littel guy with in these residual effects with in monetary gain, but to think there will be any kind of "Metamorphosis" with in current applied mineral rights or personal thoughts of "Spread the wealth" I really don't seeing this happening.
QuoteWhat are considered unimportant chemicals or minerals today might become the revolution of tomorrow. We are inventors. Stay tuned.
I suppose this rings true, but can you be more precise in the respect of "What" minerals would be this so called "Revolution" ? Guess I am missing the point here. As for the "Stay Tuned", I am assuming this pertains to the above acknowledgement I had made of petitions and boycotts and such "Correct?".
QuoteAs I told Z earlier, the costs incurred by speculators are their problem; doesn't detract one iota (whatever an iota is) from the point.
Well, if I were to take on an endeavor such as , lets say "Mining for Iridium/Uranium" I would much rather hear that people of science's are doing the work, this is a field of very disturbing cause and effects. Not only with in land mass, but animal and human contamination's events. I am not a USGS or Mineralogist that would be best suited for this kind of mining venture. I would feel very uncomfortable letting just any Joe Blow doing this very dangerous and rather 'Deadly' work without proper credentials and requirements.
QuoteThank you all for such interesting and blissfully challenging dialogue. On with it.
Next!
Peace and Love,
JD
You will find that PRC family is tight knit and very refined for conversation. As you can already probably tell, but there are those of us here that have specialities of either world conflicts too brainstorming such things as "0 Point Energy" redundant and quick disrespective respones get the 'Quick Axe' for being fundamentally disrespectful or uncouth for discussion.
and by the way "Welcome aboard!!" Forgot to mention that in the earlier post..LOL
With Great Respect,
1Worldwatcher
i was lucky enough to dig/search for herkimers one year
you pay your daily fee to enter someones piece of property and whatever
you find is yours..big or small or a bagfull
had to talk forever to get my mom and sister to take one day from our trip
to try it and once they tried it
that's where we spend the entire trip...it was great fun
and we all wear them proudly
so glad i didn't have to share with every useless eater in the state
who thinks that everything should beshared with them
for no other reason than they want something for nothing
that experiment was called commmunism..it hasn't worked real well
Definition of COMMUNISM
a theory advocating elimination of private property
oh and you probably missed this..should make you feel soooo much better
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=4012.0
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on March 18, 2013, 02:30:00 AM
Living in a fantasy world might be your cup of tea, but I live in the Real here and now. And I have two brothers, Fred & Tom.
Lol
Turned out to be a popular thread lol
To whom it might concern--
I'm not here to step on toes or squash egos. If short replies are seen as disrespectful, I suppose I could belabor my responses, because...although I enjoy lively banter steeped in brevity I can be very accommodating.
I have Asperger's Syndrome and often reply in short bursts; not to be dismissive, just for brevity's effect. Test me, squeeze me, turn me upside down and burp me if you must, but however you collection of oddish and gifted folk get it done, hopefully there will be a place at the table for me too. I'm no snob, not full of myself and not here to be belittled--as no one else here is either, I'm sure. If you spend a moderate amount of time reading my words on twitter you'll realize I'm not your typical anything. I have an agenda for which you'll all thank me for later, should I succeed, and a tip of the hat should I not, nevertheless, as I would extend to your efforts.
On Twitter I'm (@anynonmouses).
Peace and Love
JD
I just find it interesting that people actually think they are entitled to someone's else property. Just funny. ;D ;D ;D oh and by what right DO I own it? Oh never mind! I probably know the answer already. ::) time to keep my mouth shut and scan some more moon pics. Wait a minute, they're mining up there too! Damnit I want my cut! ::) lol
Oh and BTW I'm a bit of a smartazz so please excuse!
Peace 8)
Rock
Quote from: Anynonmouses on March 18, 2013, 03:12:52 AM
To whom it might concern--
I'm not here to step on toes or squash egos. If short replies are seen as disrespectful, I suppose I could belabor my responses, because...although I enjoy lively banter steeped in brevity I can be very accommodating.
We don't have a 'oneliner' post law here :P I consider that stupid and told them so at ATS several times :P And no worries about toe stepping... I wear steel toes and we have the Pegasus Strike Team for emergencies :P
Egos are what make us what we are... I wear a crown get over it :P
You will however find that not everyone agrees with a free everything society :D And not everyone agrees that the evil Illuminati banker owned reptilian government is destroying everything and out to wipe out humanity :D
Interesting Thread...
I am no expert on this,
But if private businesses set up along with the costs involved.. then I assume that they mine themselves and take any profits that they make from any minerals or Gold that they find..
If Large corporations do it..IF they were able to do it either through investors or share owners ( if they could obtain people to buy shares to help fund it) then maybe they would take just a % of the profits and share the rest through the investors / share owners.
I am not sure if the Government may have ever set something up using peoples TAXES... if so then maybe it can be argued that the tax payers should get a fair share !
"Z" .... I am not fully clear on what your saying here...
Does John still own the mine or did he own it ?
You refer to it being a small few family operation..was he sharing it with those families ?
I can understand that if the GOV decided that that land was to become like a nature reserve due to the tortoises..and then this meant that the owners of the mining biz ( Inc John ) could no longer operate.. that they decided not to renew any permit or maybe could not renew it..
I assume that you are saying that they all paid a deposit on the equipment and building...
I can understand them taking back the equipment, but I am not sure why they had to knock down the building unless they took certain things from it to sell on ! ?
It seems a real shame to leave a pile of material that were the building.. :(
So can John no longer go there at all, even to say just search around the area...maybe find some gold if its in the surface rocks ?
QuoteJohn Lear has such a small Gold Mine basically a small operation run by a few family. Well the BLM decided to give the land back to the TORTOISE so all that gold is still their...back in public domain. As they didn't renew that permit, the buildings ore crusher and mill had to be sold/torn down to get back the deposit of 185,000. Now in all those years of working that mine to get CLOSE to the ore... there was never a 1.00 profit... only expenses. And now that it is closed before it became productive, it is all a LOSS
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on March 18, 2013, 03:18:46 AM
Damnit I want my cut! ::) lol
Well Canada had a good idea... they had what 32 million people and many many acres of unused land... So what they did was they made a really crappy dirt road into some god forsaken mosquito infested swamp land come lake and put a dam on it so it would fill.
Then they cut up the land around that swamp and offered it for FREE on ONE CONDITION. You had 2 years to develope it and make use of it or it went back to the Government
My dad took one such land deal 2.5 acres lake front on a huge rock... yeah 3 hours drive from the city, black fly swarms in may mosquitoes in June etc... Typical Canadian forest timbers and ferns. No access road beyond that dirt forest access road.. so without a truck every brick and 2x4 was hauled by wooden fishing boat with a 7.5 hp McCulloch Outboard sometime three boats tied together. The wood was purchased from a recycled lumber yard old torn down timbers
But he did it... today that lake has a full marina, great fishing and boating, a good road an electricity... and its OURS :P
There are some plots of land out here in Arizona you can get for a song and a lot of seat and blood to develop... Hey the natives did it... :P
Gotta love the internet LOL Instant photo album...
(http://www.eelslake.com/MEETYOURHOSTS/ArmstrongsMarina.jpg)
Eel's Lake where I started as a kid collecting rocks in the old Uranium mine shaft next to us :D
Quote from: astr0144 on March 18, 2013, 03:41:42 AM
I am not sure if the Government may have ever set something up using peoples TAXES... if so then maybe it can be argued that the tax payers should get a fair share !
Well there are options. Take Nevada... Here we have CASINOS... these corporations will liberate your gold (cash or plastic these days :P ) Its your own business if you choose to come here and loss your life savings but you will always get a free meal and a ticket home :P
Well here we pay ZERO state income tax... why? because the local government decided that since these casinos make more than Kings... that they could share... so they pay our state income tax effectively :D
Quote"Z" .... I am not fully clear on what your saying here...
Does John still own the mine or did he own it ?
You don't 'own' a mine... you pay a claim fee to be allowed to mine that claim. You have to meet certain standards and renew the claim annually. He did own the buildings and equipment, bought it from the previous owner Curtis. Curtis still works with John occasionally. In reality John bought the place as a retreat from the city a queit place to escape to and a fall back if the SHTF
It is really nice out there 4000 feet altitude, old man neolithic cave sites that later held Anasazi indians, Depression camps, Gold miners in the 1800's and 1900. The Spanish used the Anasazi as slaves to work gold. There are three arristas out there (a round rock circle of flat stones. You tied a donkey on a rope and it dragged a stone with a hole crushing the ore) Posts and stone with hole still there You can walk anywhere in those hills and find a sign or artifact used by the natives and petroglphs
So anyway John had the mine in full compliance, even got award from the State of nevad for best kept mine... but the BLM and Sen Harry Reid decided that 250,000 acres should be a tortoise preserve and John's mine was the only active operation out there. So while Harry pretended to work for keeping it, as John was jumping through hoops to file papers on time and keep in compliance... harry and co kept stalling and the end result was missing the final filing by ONE DAY
That was it game over one year to get the stuff out. Fortunately John found a Mexican buyer for the equipment that even hauled it out otherwise it would have been abandoned. We did get all the movable equipment out THAT was fun LOL you would have to see what was called a road beyond Gold Butte to the mine.
When I get a new vehicle I will go back out and do a picture tour of the area.
The state requires a 185,000 deposit that would be forfeit if you didn't leave the property cleaned, but since the BLM was in a hurry, they waived that and came in to level the place and refunded the money. They did allow a three month extension to get that equipment out as it was sold at the last minute
QuoteYou refer to it being a small few family operation..was he sharing it with those families ?
His family and Curtiss son of the original owner was actually his employee technically... kinda came with the mine He was born on it :D But as I said the last gold that was actually extracted was in 1985ish so it was really just a hobby and retreat. Actually considering Johns current spine condition it was good timing for him. That road was literally killing him...
QuoteI can understand that if the GOV decided that that land was to become like a nature reserve due to the tortoises..and then this meant that the owners of the mining biz ( Inc John ) could no longer operate.. that they decided not to renew any permit or maybe could not renew it..
Thing was in 30 years out there they never saw a tortoise :D but as luck would have it on, on the last load out when we had the flagpole... sure enough there was a tortoise in the middle of the road. Curtiss had to carefully lift it off and point it in the direction it was heading. If you didn't do it right it would dump its water and die. But go figure It was like "Ha Ha I WIN!!
QuoteI assume that you are saying that they all paid a deposit on the equipment and building...
Yes a deposit to cover removal cost if he abandoned it
QuoteI can understand them taking back the equipment, but I am not sure why they had to knock down the building unless they took certain things from it to sell on ! ?
No... all the equipment and buildings belonged to John... they built them (John, Curtiss and the Curtiss's dad) I have a lot of the really old mining equipment on display in my yard now, the rest was sold as scrap iron. Except the mills and table and generators etc
QuoteIt seems a real shame to leave a pile of material that were the building.. :(
That was taken before they finished. They brought in trucks to haul it away. The shafts have since filled with water due to the weird hydraulics of lake mead, 4000 feet below. There are still lots of quartz crystals in the taillings. My daughter found a bunch last trip. Not sure if the cabin is still there but hunters trashed the inside
QuoteSo can John no longer go there at all, even to say just search around the area...maybe find some gold if its in the surface rocks ?
The area is accesible to the public BUT you need a 4x4, mining truck or an ATV to get in. There are ATV trails in the area and hunters go after the abundant deer, quail and jack rabbits in season.
John sold his ATV's his back/spine can no longer handle the punishment of those roads
The gold itself in that region is in hard quartz which is in veins exposed on the surface. Visible gold is at best in tiny specks with a loop to see them. The main ore is white quartz tainted by red iron oxide that contains copper gold silver etc and has to be crushed. Back in the 80's they used mercury (found in nevada as realgar and crushed with the ore) to collect and concentrate the gold. The crushed ore goes up that conveyor, mixed with water and flows over the woofer table. It vibrates so acts like a large gold pan trapping the heavy gold in the rills. From that stage it was then sold as a concentrate to refineries
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on March 18, 2013, 02:30:00 AM
Living in a fantasy world might be your cup of tea
Not a fantasy world just have a look on Ebay and see what little bits of rock are selling for :P
Up in Northern Nevada there is a dig your own Opal mine. You pay $50.00 for a huge dozer scoop taken from the Opal bank. Anything you find in that scoop is yours
Delta Utah dig your own Topaz Small crystals (centimeters in size) sell from 100-300 bucks as fast as you can post them :D Utah also has dig your own sites for Geodes (Dugway) Fish Fossils Red Beryl (really valuable) and trilobites (average about 120.00ish)
My problem is I was geared to sell at a mineral show on tables... not on the net where I need to photograph each piece :(
Got a really cool Dinosaur Egg :D
Wow that last post got lost in Limbo :P
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on March 18, 2013, 03:18:46 AM
time to keep my mouth shut and scan some more moon pics. Wait a minute, they're mining up there too! Damnit I want my cut! ::) lol
Ya know... it occurs to me that Dr Resnick is selling mineral rights up ther... maybe we can get in on that before the good stuff is gone... Dibbs on Aristarchus for me and Copernicus for John :P
Seemed that I was not able to get on the forum for a few minutes...
Thanks for your explanations "Z"....
I am not sure that I fully understand everything that you say about the buildings having to be knocked down...or the details of how John had to do the dealings etc..( One or two things that I am not clear on..but I suspect that can be a bit complex when dealing with these sort of things & GOV & BIZ contracts etc )
Its a real shame both the Mine and Johns health..
But It must have been a great experience while it lasted.
Hope that you found some Gold ! :)
Quote from: zorgon on March 18, 2013, 03:31:19 AM
We don't have a 'oneliner' post law here :P
I consider that stupid and told them so at ATS several times :P
We totally agree.
2nd line :P