Minerals Belong To Us All, Not Corporations

[zorgon]

Living in a fantasy world might be your cup of tea, but I live in the Real here and now. And I have two brothers, Fred & Tom.

Well with two brothers you would have a great team to set up a gold sluice. They are cheap really

[Amaterasu]

In principle I might agree with you...  The Native Americans thought as you do and look where that got them as they had no concept of land ownership. But even animals are pack rats and want to hold private treasures. Look at Ravens and especially Ferrets LOL  Those little critters can really get mad when you try to take it back

In practise I don't see it ever happening until the human evolves to the next plane of existence. While we are in THIS physical material plan... we will be pack rats and hoarders.

z, Humans are NOT ferrets and pack rats.  Take a look at most upper middle class People and see how many of THEM are packrats.  You will not find many.  Most keep to the level They are comfortable at.  The "packrat" syndrome has virtually everything to do with scarcity.  What creates this behavior is a fear that They might need [whatever] and not have it.  This is not promoted in a world where One may have everything One might choose.

[Anynonmouses]

Living in a fantasy world might be your cup of tea, but I live in the Real here and now. And I have two brothers, Fred & Tom.

Lol

Sorry 'bout yer luck lol.

[1Worldwatcher]

Sgt Rocknroll...by what right do you NOT own it? All breathing humans should be getting their piece of the mineral pie which corporations in collusion with our legislators are keeping "private."  I get that you are as yet not evolved enough to grasp the concept that corporations treat all of our resources as their own property, but I can forgive your present state of understanding and still call you a brother. You have much evolving to do if you still don't get what I'm trying to get across, because these are simple principles to understand.

As like Sgt. I was unaware that one could partake of the minerals with in such mineral rich areas. I am not a rock hound or a mineral searcher, so this becomes the issue of "Lack of knowledge" for perspective conversation, and thankfully, "I wasn't the only one scratching my head over the availability of the supply demand for such desired mineral resources."

I have now become "Evolved" I guess.

1Worldwatcher...I'm not limiting the conversation to particular minerals or geography; I'm explaining how things SHOULD be, and will be soon, if I have my way about it.

Do you mean you are petitioning the Gov or other facilities of similar acquittance to over throw the current state of affairs as to what the current Laws, permits or accessibility allow us too do as a freedom for such discoveries?

I can understand where you are coming from with equality factors, and there has been 'Many' before you pushing fro the littel guy with in these residual effects with in monetary gain, but to think there will be any kind of "Metamorphosis" with in current applied mineral rights or personal thoughts of "Spread the wealth" I really don't seeing this happening. 

What are considered unimportant chemicals or minerals today might become the revolution of tomorrow. We are inventors. Stay tuned.

I suppose this rings true, but can you be more precise in the respect of "What" minerals would be this so called "Revolution" ? Guess I am missing the point here. As for the "Stay Tuned", I am assuming this pertains to the above acknowledgement I had made of petitions and boycotts and such "Correct?".

As I told Z earlier, the costs incurred by speculators are their problem; doesn't detract one iota (whatever an iota is) from the point.

Well, if I were to take on an endeavor such as , lets say "Mining for Iridium/Uranium" I would much rather hear that people of science's are doing the work, this is a field of very disturbing cause and effects. Not only with in land mass, but animal and human contamination's events. I am not a USGS or Mineralogist that would be best suited for this kind of mining venture. I would feel very uncomfortable letting just any Joe Blow doing this very dangerous and rather 'Deadly' work without proper credentials and requirements.

Thank you all for such interesting and blissfully challenging dialogue. On with it.
Next!
Peace and Love,
JD

You will find that PRC family is tight knit and very refined for conversation. As you can already probably tell, but there are those of us here that have specialities of either world conflicts too brainstorming such things as "0 Point Energy" redundant and quick disrespective respones get the 'Quick Axe' for being fundamentally disrespectful or uncouth for discussion.

and by the way "Welcome aboard!!" Forgot to mention that in the earlier post..LOL

With Great Respect,
1Worldwatcher

[sky otter]

i was lucky enough to dig/search for herkimers one year

you pay your daily fee to enter someones piece of property and whatever
you find is yours..big or small or a bagfull

had to talk forever  to get my mom and sister to take one day from our trip
to try it and once they tried it
that's where we spend the entire trip...it was great fun
and we all wear them proudly

so glad i didn't have to share with every  useless eater in the state
who thinks that everything should beshared with them
for no other reason than they want something for nothing

that experiment was called commmunism..it hasn't worked real well

Definition of COMMUNISM
a theory advocating elimination of private property


oh and you probably missed this..should make you feel soooo much better
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=4012.0

[Anynonmouses]

Living in a fantasy world might be your cup of tea, but I live in the Real here and now. And I have two brothers, Fred & Tom.

Lol

Turned out to be a popular thread lol

[Anynonmouses]

To whom it might concern--

I'm not here to step on toes or squash egos. If short replies are seen as disrespectful, I suppose I could belabor my responses, because...although I enjoy lively banter steeped in brevity I can be very accommodating.

I have Asperger's Syndrome and often reply in short bursts; not to be dismissive, just for brevity's effect. Test me, squeeze me, turn me upside down and burp me if you must, but however you collection of oddish and gifted folk get it done, hopefully there will be a place at the table for me too. I'm no snob, not full of myself and not here to be belittled--as no one else here is either, I'm sure. If you spend a moderate amount of time reading my words on twitter you'll realize I'm not your typical anything. I have an agenda for which you'll all thank me for later, should I succeed, and a tip of the hat should I not, nevertheless, as I would extend to your efforts.

On Twitter I'm (@anynonmouses).

Peace and Love
JD

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

I just find it interesting that people actually think they are entitled to someone's else property. Just funny. oh and by what right DO I own it? Oh never mind! I probably know the answer already. time to keep my mouth shut and  scan some more moon pics. Wait a minute, they're mining up there too! Damnit I want my cut! lol


Oh and BTW I'm a bit of a smartazz so please excuse!

Peace
Rock

[zorgon]

To whom it might concern--

I'm not here to step on toes or squash egos. If short replies are seen as disrespectful, I suppose I could belabor my responses, because...although I enjoy lively banter steeped in brevity I can be very accommodating.

We don't have a 'oneliner' post law here I consider that stupid and told them so at ATS several times   And no worries about toe stepping... I wear steel toes and we have the Pegasus Strike Team for emergencies

Egos are what make us what we are...  I wear a crown get over it

You will however find that not everyone agrees with a free everything society And not everyone agrees that the evil Illuminati banker owned reptilian government is destroying everything and out to wipe out humanity

[astr0144]

Interesting Thread...

I am no expert on this,

But if private businesses set up along with the costs involved.. then I assume that they mine themselves and take any profits that they make from any minerals or Gold that they find..

If Large corporations do it..IF they were able to do it either through investors or share owners ( if they could obtain people to buy shares to help fund it) then maybe they would take just a % of the profits and share the rest through the investors / share owners.

I am not sure if the Government may have ever set something up using peoples TAXES... if so then maybe it can be argued that the tax payers should get a fair share !


"Z" .... I am not fully clear on what your saying here...

Does John still own the mine or did he own it ?

You refer to it being a small few family operation..was he sharing it with those families ?

I can understand that if the GOV decided that that land was to become like a nature reserve due to the tortoises..and then this meant that the owners of the mining biz ( Inc John ) could no longer operate.. that they decided not to renew any permit or maybe could not renew it..
I assume that you are saying that they all paid a deposit on the equipment and building...

I can understand them taking back the equipment, but I am not sure why they had to knock down the building  unless they took certain things from it to sell on ! ?

It seems a real shame to leave a pile of material that were the building..

So can John no longer go there at all, even to say just search around the area...maybe find some gold if its in the surface rocks ?

John Lear has such a small Gold Mine  basically a small operation run by a few family. Well the BLM decided to give the land back to the TORTOISE so all that gold is still their...back in public domain. As they didn't renew that permit, the buildings ore crusher and mill had to be sold/torn down to get back the deposit of 185,000.  Now in all those years of working that mine to get CLOSE to the ore... there was never a 1.00 profit... only expenses.  And now that it is closed before it became productive, it is all a LOSS

[zorgon]

Damnit I want my cut! lol

Well Canada had a good idea... they had what 32 million people and many many acres of unused land...  So what they did was they made a really crappy dirt road into some god forsaken mosquito infested swamp land come lake and put a dam on it so it would fill.

Then they cut up the land around that swamp and offered it for FREE on ONE CONDITION.  You had 2 years to develope it and make use of it or it went back to the Government

My dad took one such land deal 2.5 acres  lake front on a huge rock... yeah 3 hours drive from the city, black fly swarms in may mosquitoes in June  etc... Typical Canadian forest timbers and ferns. No access road beyond that dirt forest access road.. so without a truck every brick and 2x4 was hauled by wooden fishing boat with a 7.5 hp McCulloch Outboard sometime three boats tied together.  The wood was purchased from a recycled lumber yard  old torn down timbers

But he did it... today that lake has a full marina, great fishing and boating, a good road an electricity... and its OURS

There are some plots of land out here in Arizona you can get for a song and a lot of seat and blood to develop... Hey the natives did it...

Gotta love the internet LOL  Instant photo album...



Eel's Lake  where I started as a kid collecting rocks in the old Uranium mine shaft next to us 

[zorgon]

I am not sure if the Government may have ever set something up using peoples TAXES... if so then maybe it can be argued that the tax payers should get a fair share !

Well there are options. Take Nevada... Here we have CASINOS... these corporations will liberate your gold (cash or plastic these days ) Its your own business if you choose to come here and loss your life savings but you will always get a free meal and a ticket home

Well here we pay ZERO state income tax...  why? because the local government decided that since these casinos make more than Kings... that they could share... so they pay our state income tax  effectively

"Z" .... I am not fully clear on what your saying here...
Does John still own the mine or did he own it ?

You don't 'own' a mine... you pay a claim fee to be allowed to mine that claim. You have to meet certain standards and renew the claim annually.  He did own the buildings and equipment, bought it from the previous owner Curtis. Curtis still works with John occasionally.  In reality John bought the place as a retreat from the city  a queit place to escape to and a fall back if the SHTF

It is really nice out there 4000 feet altitude, old man neolithic cave sites that later held Anasazi indians, Depression camps, Gold miners in the 1800's and 1900. The Spanish used the Anasazi as slaves to work gold. There are three arristas out there (a round rock circle of flat stones. You tied a donkey on a rope and it dragged a stone with a hole crushing the ore) Posts and stone with hole still there You can walk anywhere in those hills and find a sign or artifact used by the natives and petroglphs

So anyway John had the mine in full compliance, even got award from the State of nevad for best kept mine...  but the BLM and Sen Harry Reid decided that 250,000 acres should be a tortoise preserve and John's mine was the only active operation out there.  So while Harry pretended to work for keeping it, as John was jumping through hoops to file papers on time and keep in compliance... harry and co kept stalling and the end result was missing the final filing by ONE DAY

That was it game over  one year to get the stuff out.  Fortunately John found a Mexican buyer for the equipment that even hauled it out otherwise it would have been abandoned. We did get all the movable equipment out  THAT was fun LOL you would have to see what was called a road beyond Gold Butte to the mine.

When I get a new vehicle I will go back out and do a picture tour of the area.

The state requires a 185,000 deposit that would be forfeit if you didn't leave the property cleaned, but since the BLM was in a hurry, they waived that and came in to level the place and refunded the money. They did allow a three month extension to get that equipment out as it was sold at the last minute

You refer to it being a small few family operation..was he sharing it with those families ?

His family and Curtiss son of the original owner was actually his employee technically... kinda came with the mine He was born on it   But as I said the last gold that was actually extracted was in 1985ish so it was really just a hobby and retreat. Actually considering Johns current spine condition it was good timing for him. That road was literally killing him...

I can understand that if the GOV decided that that land was to become like a nature reserve due to the tortoises..and then this meant that the owners of the mining biz ( Inc John ) could no longer operate.. that they decided not to renew any permit or maybe could not renew it..

Thing was in 30 years out there they never saw a tortoise but as luck would have it on, on the last load out when we had the flagpole... sure enough there was a tortoise in the middle of the road. Curtiss had to carefully lift it off and point it in the direction it was heading. If you didn't do it right it would dump its water and die.  But go figure  It was like "Ha Ha I WIN!!

I assume that you are saying that they all paid a deposit on the equipment and building...

Yes a deposit to cover removal cost if he abandoned it

I can understand them taking back the equipment, but I am not sure why they had to knock down the building  unless they took certain things from it to sell on ! ?

No... all the equipment and buildings belonged to John... they built them (John, Curtiss and the Curtiss's dad) I have a lot of the really old mining equipment on display in my yard now, the rest was sold as scrap iron. Except the mills and table and generators etc

It seems a real shame to leave a pile of material that were the building..

That was taken before they finished. They brought in trucks to haul it away.  The shafts have since filled with water due to the weird hydraulics of lake mead, 4000 feet below. There are still lots of quartz crystals in the taillings. My daughter found a bunch last trip. Not sure if the cabin is still there but hunters trashed the inside

So can John no longer go there at all, even to say just search around the area...maybe find some gold if its in the surface rocks ?

The area is accesible to the public BUT you need a 4x4, mining truck or an ATV to get in. There are ATV trails in the area and hunters go after the abundant  deer, quail and jack rabbits in season.

John sold his ATV's his back/spine can no longer handle the punishment of those roads

The gold itself in that region is in hard quartz  which is in veins exposed on the surface. Visible gold is at best in tiny specks with a loop to see them. The main ore is white quartz tainted by red iron oxide that contains copper gold silver etc and has to be crushed. Back in the 80's they used mercury (found in nevada as realgar and crushed with the ore) to collect and concentrate the gold. The crushed ore goes up that conveyor, mixed with water and flows over the woofer table. It vibrates so acts like a large gold pan trapping the heavy gold in the rills.  From that stage it was then sold as a concentrate to refineries

[zorgon]

Living in a fantasy world might be your cup of tea

Not a fantasy world  just have a look on Ebay and see what little bits of rock are selling for

Up in Northern Nevada there is a dig your own Opal mine.  You pay $50.00 for a huge dozer scoop taken from the Opal bank. Anything you find in that scoop is yours

Delta Utah dig your own Topaz  Small crystals (centimeters in size) sell from 100-300 bucks as fast as you can post them Utah also has dig your own sites for Geodes (Dugway) Fish Fossils Red Beryl (really valuable) and trilobites (average about 120.00ish)

My problem is I was geared to sell at a mineral show on tables... not on the net where I need to photograph each piece 

Got a really cool Dinosaur Egg  

[zorgon]

Wow that last post got lost in Limbo

[zorgon]

time to keep my mouth shut and  scan some more moon pics. Wait a minute, they're mining up there too! Damnit I want my cut! lol

Ya know... it occurs to me that Dr Resnick is selling mineral rights up ther... maybe we can get in on that before the good stuff is gone... Dibbs on Aristarchus for me and Copernicus for John