http://www.sirius.neverendinglight.com/
Just six minutes and counting, before we can ask...
"Why so Sirius, PRC?" ;)
It's Dr Steve's big day. I can't wait. I feel like a kid on Christmas Day, here. I an unrepentant fan of Dr Greer, I will admit; irrespective of how much of an outcast that may potentially make me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oowR5vL6oPM
I am going to be relying on someone to pirate it almost immediately; although I'm scared they won't, and I'll have to wait yet another few days still. :(
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_PtTKwwh_xBc/SUSu0Lxy7AI/AAAAAAAAGBw/Y1ZCTmmMYD4/s400/greer.jpg)
Well at least he has wheels :P
SPOILER ALERT :P
Greer's Alien :D
"Contact has been made!..."
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Quote from: zorgon on April 22, 2013, 11:10:11 AM
SPOILER ALERT :P
Greer's Alien :D
"Contact has been made!..."
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That's bizarre; although I am reminded of the ancient Egyptian
ushabti figurines. This potentially puts those in a new light, as incredible as that may seem.
Well I think I will wait till soneone unbiased does a forensic autopsy on it... someone other than "Dr" Greer :P
Posted by PhoenixOD
Ill never forget seeing the video where he charged people a load of money and then took them into an empty field and told them they were standing inside an invisible inter dimensional etheric space ship.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_86mADyxwk
Yup I am in the wrong business :P
I can review the DNA sequence data if it is published. I can't show whether it is a genuine sequence without a tissue sample but you would need knowledge to fake a genome.
The sequencing data will either be completely alien (and meaningless to normal sequence analysis) or it will have certain properties amenable to bioinformatics research.
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It will be discovered that some of the elements in the DNA sequences will be human, some will be unknown. The unknown stuff is the sort of thing that will fuel both sides of this issue, and regardless of the evidence, skeptics will demonize the voracity of the little man because evidence doesn't matter to a skeptic who has already taken sides. Skeptics will always need further proof, and rip to shreds any findings which contradict their beliefs. This is the human condition; exceptions are almost unheard of.
Keep an open mind, or you'll find yourself locked out of your own universe without a key.
Peace and Love,
JD
Quote from: Anynonmouses on April 22, 2013, 01:35:23 PM
It will be discovered that some of the elements in the DNA sequences will be human, some will be unknown. The unknown stuff is the sort of thing that will fuel both sides of this issue,
We don't know at this point what, if anything, this DNA evidence shows....
Quoteand regardless of the evidence, skeptics will demonize the voracity of the little man because evidence doesn't matter to a skeptic who has already taken sides.
Then there are those of us who just want the truth. We do not just believe "the little man" or "the big man" without good evidence. Only fools do that.
I think that humans will find and may already have found proof. I will not accept flimsy evidence though.
I would also suggest that anyone who does not understand the mainstream science used to analyse the data, is not in a position to verify or refute it. The same goes for theories about hollow celestial bodies. To understands DNA sequence data, you have to understand what DNA does and how it is analysed using computers.
Quote from: Pimander on April 22, 2013, 01:41:05 PM
I think that humans will find and may already have found proof. I will not accept flimsy evidence though.
I would also suggest that anyone who does not understand the mainstream science used to analyse the data, is not in a position to verify or refute it. The same goes for theories about hollow celestial bodies. To understands DNA sequence data, you have to understand what DNA does and how it is analysed using computers.
While I would agree that those who do not know the methods and techniques of data analysis, I do not think One "needs" to be a microbiologisst to understand what the data is saying.
I'm a software engineer, I spend prolly way too much time crawling around in peoles databases, from medical, to governent, insurance , industrial, scientific, virtually any database you can iagine. I create reports and build tools for science and industry to extract and understand the data they have collected.
And, I have loked specifically at DNA data in an attempt to denstrate that particular DNA samples might not be terrestrial...daunting task.
I
think there will be several "indicators" as to thether this wee beast is ET or not, based on early DNA data. In my expirence, this creature should be very close to "Human", his genome doesn't need to vary ore than 1% or so to make him non-human.
Unfortunately, non-human is as far as it can go! There is no possible method / way to Greer or anyone to prove it "extraterrestrial" at this time.
And then there are those, such as myself, who have had first-hand encounter(s) with beings NOT from Earth, and exactly how can a third party prove or disprove what I state? Exactly--you can't, but I have my knowing. The rest (as far as I'm concerned) are merely playing CATCH UP with their "facts" and figures.
Scientists understand exactly as much about DNA and its purposes as they understand about electricity, which can also not be quantified exactly at our present time. The notion that only scientists are privy to truths that I, a relative layman, have had for many years already is--and forgive me, but--laughable.
Make of the data what you will. Everyone else is going to. That's what human beings do. If we all agreed with one another Earth might well be a boring planet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5esZhAoP4ag
Peace and Love,
JD
Quote from: Anthra on April 22, 2013, 04:49:59 PM
Unfortunately, non-human is as far as it can go! There is no possible method / way to Greer or anyone to prove it "extraterrestrial" at this time.
Precisely - if the genetic material was "normal" DNA.
However the genetic material may not be DNA in an alien. In fact it is an assumption that an alien might have DNA.
Even on Earth some viruses genetic material is RNA and in prion diseases (e.g. BSE) the heritable genetic material is actually protein and they do not have DNA. Why assume DNA is universal?
If it is 1% different to human then it is approximately as homologous to Homo sapiens sapiens as a chimp. 95% would make it as similar as a pig. If a monkey, likely ~97%.
What would make me think it is likely extraterrestrial would be if the DNA or similar genetic material was, perhaps subtly or even radically,
BIOCHEMICALLY DIFFERENT in a way that makes it possible for the species to reproduce and code but probably evolved differently. That would make it very likely "alien" whether it has a common origin to terrestrial life (panspermia or directed panspermia) or not. It would also mean hybrids might not be possible in the manner imagined by many as their would not be genetic compatibility.
In all honesty, if the "alien" has DNA identical to ours, it is likely terrestrial, which is precisely why it looks like a hominid.
Quote from: Anynonmouses on April 22, 2013, 05:02:34 PM
And then there are those, such as myself, who have had first-hand encounter(s) with beings NOT from Earth, and exactly how can a third party prove or disprove what I state?
They cant prove or disprove it easily. Neither can you. It is interesting but just your experience. If aliens exist then proving it should be the quest of any species who are looking to progress. If there are intergalactic traders and so on, then humanity can't join the club yet.
QuoteScientists understand exactly as much about DNA and its purposes as they understand about electricity, which can also not be quantified exactly at our present time.
Scientifically speaking, it is an assumption that there is a purpose to DNA. It has function but may not have purpose.
QuoteMake of the data what you will. Everyone else is going to. That's what human beings do. If we all agreed with one another Earth might well be a boring planet.
There is no published data to make anything of is there? That is a video with fuzzy logic conclusions like, "It isn't human so it is not from Earth" and a person saying they can't find any matches with terrestrial creatures. Saying something isn't human is not proving it, just like saying the Moon is a hollow space ship is not proving it. Geddit yet?
It is also easy to give a small tissue sample to other groups to test as you don't need much tissue to get a sample of DNA. Therefore any results will be easily repeatable.
NO DATA = MORE UNVERIFIABLE STORIES
NOTE TO ALL MEMBERS: If there is any real data published, let me know.
Quote from: Pimander on April 22, 2013, 05:08:57 PM
Precisely - if the genetic material was "normal" DNA.
However the genetic material may not be DNA in an alien. In fact it is an assumption that an alien might have DNA.
Even on Earth some viruses genetic material is RNA and in prion diseases (e.g. BSE) the heritable genetic material is actually protein and they do not have DNA. Why assume DNA is universal?
Even IF the Genetic material was comletely "alien", there is still no reason to suspect it is non-terrestrial, nt until such data, sequencing, ect. is confirmed as extraterrestrial.
Why assume DNA? Hermes. Have you read and studied the Emerald Tablet? Hermes state "As above, so below". Tis is a very owerful and misunderstod stateent. Its simplicity is sublime. Since all complex lifeforms here on Earth rely on DNA, it becomes reasonable to presume that all life does as well. Especially if it originates in an area of similar conditions (if you look at the near space ... 50ly. All of the 'reported' visitors come from a "G" class star, about 4.6 Gyr old ... just like you.
This makes it very reasnable to presume that the lifeforms are very much like Terrestrial Humans, right down to a great similarity in DNA coding. ET is likely to have DNA like yours, but "funny" markers (like me).
Quote
If it is 1% different to human then it is approximately as homologous to Homo sapiens sapiens as a chimp. 95% would make it as similar as a pig. If a monkey, likely ~97%.
What would make me think it is likely extraterrestrial would be if the DNA or similar genetic material was, perhaps subtly or even radically, BIOCHEMICALLY DIFFERENT in a way that makes it possible for the species to reproduce and code but probably evolved differently. That would make it very likely "alien" whether it has a common origin to terrestrial life (panspermia or directed panspermia) or not. It would also mean hybrids might not be possible in the manner imagined by many as their would not be genetic compatibility.
In all honesty, if the "alien" has DNA identical to ours, it is likely terrestrial, which is precisely why it looks like a hominid.
Quote from: Anynonmouses on April 22, 2013, 05:02:34 PM
And then there are those, such as myself, who have had first-hand encounter(s) with beings NOT from Earth, and exactly how can a third party prove or disprove what I state? Exactly--you can't, but I have my knowing. The rest (as far as I'm concerned) are merely playing CATCH UP with their "facts" and figures.
I know all about first-hand expirence with ET. Have a 62 year collection of my own.
People can scoff at our expirence; but they don't understand that everything any of us really have is "Personal Expirence". Everything we do, are, learn, know; is personal expirence.
Quote from: Anthra on April 22, 2013, 05:41:07 PM
Even IF the Genetic material was comletely "alien", there is still no reason to suspect it is non-terrestrial, nt until such data, sequencing, ect. is confirmed as extraterrestrial.
We have no extraterrestrial sequence to confirm it. :)
Quote from: Anthra on April 22, 2013, 05:41:07 PMWhy assume DNA? Hermes. Have you read and studied the Emerald Tablet? Hermes state "As above, so below".
LOL
Pimander is my name!
THE VISION OF HERMES
It chanced once on a time, while I was meditating on the things that are, my thought was raised to a great height, yet my bodily senses had been put under restraint as in sleep, though not such sleep as that of men weighed down by fullness of food or bodily weariness. Methought a Being more than vast, in size beyond all bounds, called out my name and said:
"What would you hear and see, and what have you in mind to learn and know?"
"Who are you?" said I.
"I am the Pymander, Divine Mind of the Sovereignity, the Shepherd of Men. I know what you desire, and I am with you everywhere."
"I long to learn the things that are, " I replied, "and comprehend their nature, and know God. This is what I desire to hear."
"Hold in your mind all you would know," the Shepherd answered back to me, "and I will teach you."
I sympathise on a personal non-scientific way with you completely. I am slightly more than familiar with the Hermetic material. Your experiences are not being scoffed at either. I am posting about the science. As a
SCIENTIST I need more than that. Simple as that. Regardless of my spiritual leanings or experiences I may have had with non-human intelligences. ;)
Don't forget who the God of
SCIENCE is. It is an insult to science and the deity of science to not utilise science in pursuit of knowledge.
HERMES: Gr. Myth. the god who serves as herald and messenger of the other gods, generally pictured with winged shoes and hat, carrying a caduceus: he is also the god of science, commerce, eloquence, and cunning, and guide of departed souls to Hades: identified with the Roman Mercury http://www.yourdictionary.com/hermes
We may "know" there are non-human sentient beings in the Universe. That is different to "proving" they exist. I hope that explains where I stand a little better. :)
Quote from: Anthra on April 22, 2013, 05:41:07 PM
Even IF the Genetic material was comletely "alien", there is still no reason to suspect it is non-terrestrial, nt until such data, sequencing, ect. is confirmed as extraterrestrial.
Why assume DNA? Hermes. Have you read and studied the Emerald Tablet? Hermes state "As above, so below". Tis is a very owerful and misunderstod stateent. Its simplicity is sublime. Since all complex lifeforms here on Earth rely on DNA, it becomes reasonable to presume that all life does as well. Especially if it originates in an area of similar conditions (if you look at the near space ... 50ly.
From everything I've seen, DNA is primarily a mechanism for storing (and according to some, transmitting) information about the characteristics of an organism. Different computers can use some very different operating systems; VMS in particular is deeply strange. The underlying machine is still a computer, though.
So it does make sense to me that an ET race would probably use something that is at least roughly analogous to what we know as DNA; likely it would simply be that the vocabulary or...syntactic primitives, would be different. I think they are referred to as base pairs in genetic parlance.
Quote from: petrus4 on April 22, 2013, 06:05:32 PM
So it does make sense to me that an ET race would probably use something that is at least roughly analogous to what we know as DNA; likely it would simply be that the vocabulary or...syntactic primitives, would be different.
It's like this. Languages are different in different cultures and places. They linguistically share syntactic types and often have letters that look similar. Languages from alien cultures are rarely so similar as to share the exact same alphabet though. I fact some read left to right, others right to left, some are in Greek alphabet while others Arabic. That is why alarm bells ring immediately with most scientists when someone claims they have a DNA sequence from an "alien".
Quote from: Pimander on April 22, 2013, 06:03:10 PM
Don't forget who the God of SCIENCE is. It is an insult to science and the deity of science to not utilise science in pursuit of knowledge.
Pim, I find it amusing that You would claim an insult to something that You cannot prove. As a skeptic without scientific proof, I would think You would question whether the hypothetical Being, Hermes, can be insulted.
As We have no proof of Deity of any sort - unless One sees Consciousness as "God," in which case EVERY Being is proof, being Deity - We cannot assume an insult.
Quote from: Amaterasu on April 22, 2013, 06:20:08 PM
Pim, I find it amusing that You would claim an insult to something that You cannot prove. As a skeptic without scientific proof, I would think You would question whether the hypothetical Being, Hermes, can be insulted.
You're still misunderstanding me I think....
As a scientist I do question it. Scientifically I can't prove Hermes exists. On another level I may think entirely differently.
I can see why that might be amusing. It's a bit like a judge in a court may have to sentence you for murdering someone who is a paedophile. They might think it is a good thing that the paedophile is dead but when acting as a judge they have to act according to the law. I might think that Jimi Hendrix is a better guitarist than Eric Clapton. I can't prove it scientifically though....
I have to giggle at this circus side show clown act.
Step right up folks! One thin dollar to see the spectacle of a life time.
It makes me want to plant this music video with the good DR Greer singing his song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQ_k_VG6Syc
Quote from: Anynonmouses on April 22, 2013, 01:35:23 PM
skeptics will demonize the voracity of the little man because evidence doesn't matter to a skeptic who has already taken sides. Skeptics will always need further proof, and rip to shreds any findings which contradict their beliefs. This is the human condition; exceptions are almost unheard of.
BULL CRAP Greer is not the 'little man' and he is laughing all the way to the bank
When Greer first came out with the Disclosure Project I was convinced that here finallay was the real deal... but over the years nothing came of it NOTHING just some people claiming they would swear in front of congress that their story was true... but they wouldn't give us anything.
Then I found out several of them were outright liars...
Soon Greer changed his tactics and started selling moth hunting trips for a thousand bucks a head to the gullible and is still raking in the cash.
It may be find for believers to sit in a field and have someone convince them they are inside an invisible ethereal spacecraft... but some of us need a little more than such bull crap
It is the age old cry of the blind believer that the skeptic is the shill... but that blind believer, like a lemming, will just believe anything these snake oil salesmen dish out. Look at how much money they made with the 2012 crap... yet when nothing happened did they apologize for being wrong? Did they refund any of that money? No they are simply regrouping to decide the next scam they will perpetrate on a gullible audience
If you want to believe that Greer has a mini alien that has already been admitted to as a hoax years ago (this is just a rehash of an old case) be my guest... but don't expect the rest of us to go "ooooo ahhhhhh alien"
If this was real, we would not NEED to ask for proof... because the real scientists would be all over it
Quote from: Pimander on April 22, 2013, 06:29:53 PM
I might think that Jimi Hendrix is a better guitarist than Eric Clapton. I can't prove it scientifically though....
Cept Eric himself will tell you it's true! ;)
Quote from: Anynonmouses on April 22, 2013, 05:02:34 PM
And then there are those, such as myself, who have had first-hand encounter(s) with beings NOT from Earth, and exactly how can a third party prove or disprove what I state? Exactly--you can't, but I have my knowing. The rest (as far as I'm concerned) are merely playing CATCH UP with their "facts" and figures.
Quite true... but on the other hand there are several THOUSAND people who have made up contact stories to get attention....
So that leaves us a quandry... do we just believe any old story that comes along because the story teller says its true?
So why can not ONE person who claims they contact ET all the time just ask them to pose for a photo with them? I mean when I meet interesting or famous people, I ask them to pose for a picture with me or my family. John has done the same over the years... His walls have tons of proof of what he claims...
So why is it that in today's world where everyone carries a cell phone camera we cannot get one ET to pose with those he visited?
::)
Quote from: Anynonmouses on April 22, 2013, 05:02:34 PM
Scientists understand exactly as much about DNA and its purposes as they understand about electricity, which can also not be quantified exactly at our present time. The notion that only scientists are privy to truths that I, a relative layman, have had for many years already is--and forgive me, but--laughable.
What I find laughable is that people will make statements like your and in the same post show a video that says DNA testing was completed and that testing was only done by Greer himself
LMAO and the picture of him using the Avro Car as a saucer?
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/Vault/Greer_001.jpg)
Believe what you will.... It seems no one gives a rats ass about any truth or research... any old story will do because the want to believe so badly
Carry on
Quote from: Pimander on April 22, 2013, 06:03:10 PM
I sympathise on a personal non-scientific way with you completely. I am slightly more than familiar with the Hermetic material. Your experiences are not being scoffed at either. I am posting about the science.
As a SCIENTIST I need more than that. Simple as that. Regardless of my spiritual leanings or experiences I may have had with non-human intelligences. ;)
Don't forget who the God of SCIENCE is. It is an insult to science and the deity of science to not utilise science in pursuit of knowledge.
We may "know" there are non-human sentient beings in the Universe. That is different to "proving" they exist. I hope that explains where I stand a little better. :)
Sounds like we are qite alike in some respects. I to demand the rigrs f science, though, in my case it is usually Mathamatics assisted with machine (boolean like) logic.
Still I find the education, training, etc of my Magical and spiritual "self" to be very valuable when considering the science.
I was once told; "Your Magick is a technology, use it as such." Though at times it is more useful or changing things, rather than understanding them. Point is the fundamentals of "esoteric sciences" are just as useful and correct as anything modern science has. Using Heretic rincials to gain a better understand of the unknown (or ET) seems a logical and correct thing to do, where possible.
Likewise using and understanding our own expirences aids us in the understanding of the unknown.
I'm not sure IF One can "prove" ET at this time. I can infere that ET exists rather easily though. And get some rather strong probabilities.
If I have learnt anything over the year's.. and especially since the web was a part of every day life is that it seem's the like's of Greer and Stanton Friedegg-Man work hand in hand.
One take's the side of the one extreme and the other knocks it out. And reality is neither share any expert experience in either area other than to confuse matter's more than they already are confused for people like myself who know what they saw or experienced.
That is NOT Scientific Study on both count's.
Giants & Little Aliens
Chile Alien
Date: 11-09-06
Host: George Noory
Guests: Steve Quayle, Dannion BrinkleyQuote Author Steve Quayle spoke about a small 'alien' found in Chile and also shared his latest research on giants. The remains of a creature, a mere six inches tall, was found in a part of Chile known for petrified trees and mineralization, he reported. It came to his attention through an "exobiologist," Ramon Navia-Osorio. Interestingly, Quayle said that there've been live sightings of such beings in Colombia, just two months ago-- and that an outbreak of illness was associated with their appearance.
Similar tiny creatures were drawn by Shoshone and Crow Indians andreports and legends of them span the globe, said Quayle, who theorized that earth changes may have caused such entities and spirits to be loosed upon us.
On the other end of the spectrum, there is both modern and ancient evidence for giants, with skeletons ranging from 17 to 19 ft. and beyond, Quayle contended. According to Pravda,Professor Ernst Muldashev conducted an expedition to Syria, Lebanon and Egypt and found the graves of giants.Quayle believes that many of the giants were the cannibalistic offspring of the Fallen Angels or Nephilim and that these "fearful and ferocious" beings will be returning. For more on giants including illustrations, view this special page.
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2006/11/09
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So as I said OLD NEWS :PWhat's even funnier is that free_spirit posted that at ATS too and free_spirit is none other that Jamie Muassan's right hand man Santiago Garza
Yawl have been HAD :P
Screw real reseaerch who needs it when ya have a good story :P
::)
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Quote from: zorgon on April 22, 2013, 07:14:02 PM
BULL CRAP
Then I found out several of them were outright liars...
Soon Greer changed his tactics and started selling moth hunting trips for a thousand bucks a head to the gullible and is still raking in the cash.
Indeed, as have many of them in the field...I have spent countless
hours following all of the names, many of them lead to the same
place. Zorgon can vouch for this, some of the work we did
together, following SERPO and a few other "tales".
Not suprisingly, some of the names lead straight to the CIA.
So whether you listen to "sceptical" old Pimander or "conspiracy King" Zorgon, if you want proof of alien life, Greer is not likely to be your man. Somamech's points above are valid here too. We've seen it all before. If you have too then learn from it.
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Quote from: burntheships on April 22, 2013, 08:21:07 PM
Indeed, as have many of them in the field...I have spent countless
hours following all of the names, many of them lead to the same
place.
Independently, I have similar but not identical findings.
Quote from: burntheships on April 22, 2013, 08:21:07 PM
Indeed, as have many of them in the field...I have spent countless
hours following all of the names, many of them lead to the same
place. Zorgon can vouch for this, some of the work we did
together, following SERPO and a few other "tales".
Not suprisingly, some of the names lead straight to the CIA.
Not surprising at all, since three letter agents within three letter agencies are the players making it happen. I got something from Greer to post and will sometime today. Caveat: its not actually from Greer to me but a nexus magazine article he did.
Please stand by!
Quote from: burntheships on April 22, 2013, 08:21:07 PM
Indeed, as have many of them in the field...I have spent countless
hours following all of the names, many of them lead to the same
place. Zorgon can vouch for this, some of the work we did
together, following SERPO and a few other "tales".
Not suprisingly, some of the names lead straight to the CIA.
Wow you followed the Serpo Trail :o
I only followed that partially after the fact. That's a minefield for anyone's mind mate :(
Quote from: zorgon on April 22, 2013, 07:33:53 PM
What I find laughable is that people will make statements like your and in the same post show a video that says DNA testing was completed and that testing was only done by Greer himself
LMAO and the picture of him using the Avro Car as a saucer?
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/Vault/Greer_001.jpg)
Believe what you will.... It seems no one gives a rats ass about any truth or research... any old story will do because the want to believe so badly
Carry on
z, I am on Your side in this matter. I am sure Greer (or whoever He really is - search Ed Chiarini) is offering the truth mixed with lies, like the Big Government, Big Charity organizations, Big Media, Big Pharma, Big [You get the picture].
The idea is to fleece the sheep, regardless.
Wasn't NEXUS magazine involved with Bill Ryan in that Nuclear powered retreat in Australia that buy in was $300,000.00?
Quote from: Amaterasu on April 22, 2013, 08:35:38 PM
The idea is to fleece the sheep, regardless.
The Sheep NEED fleecing :P That is the function of sheep.... to be FLEECED :P
The probhlem comes when the awakened few start going back to the flock :D
Why are we even discussing Greer when we got this Page to Devour and Hunt?
There's tangible evidence here to back up what people claim :P
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/
THAT WHOLE TOPIC NEEDS A WRING AND DRY CYCLE.
Sitting down worrying about GOD or WHAT someone is doing to you ain't going change the fact that ALIEN"S run the SHOW :P
And we are trying to stop that in our limited ability's :P
Quote from: zorgon on April 22, 2013, 08:39:04 PM
Wasn't NEXUS magazine involved with Bill Ryan in that Nuclear powered retreat in Australia that buy in was $300,000.00?
I do have that on screencap somewhere... It was well enough documented that I won't even have to drag that out of my folder's :D
Quote from: Somamech on April 22, 2013, 08:46:36 PM
Why are we even discussing Greer when we got this Page to Devour and Hunt?
There's tangible evidence here to back up what people claim :P
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/
THAT WHOLE TOPIC NEEDS A WRING AND DRY CYCLE.
Sitting down worrying about GOD or WHAT someone is doing to you ain't going change the fact that ALIEN"S run the SHOW :P
And we are trying to stop that in our limited ability's :P
You are right on top of the truth. Aliens do run this show. That's the issue we are seeing all around us every day. Two sides battling it out under cover.
I'm not kidding when I make the statement we are under the authority of the triangle brotherhood of the serpent.
Aliens run area 51 as told to my son by a federal official of government who knows a retired general in las vegas who told the federal official how it is. The general was crying and distraught when telling the tale.
Quote from: Somamech on April 22, 2013, 08:31:54 PM
I only followed that partially after the fact. That's a minefield for anyone's mind mate :(
It isn't to this mind. :P
Bill was hanging out with Rick Doty for a start. lol
Quote from: zorgon on April 22, 2013, 08:39:04 PM
Wasn't NEXUS magazine involved with Bill Ryan in that Nuclear powered retreat in Australia that buy in was $300,000.00?
It also covered the Tall Whites guy, I forget this name.
Quote from: zorgon on April 22, 2013, 08:42:28 PM
The problem comes when the awakened few start going back to the flock :D
"Who are you?" said I.
"I am the Pymander, Divine Mind of the Sovereignity, the Shepherd of Men. I know what you desire, and I am with you everywhere." http://www.alchemylab.com/pymander.htm
Sheep without a shepherd get eaten by wolves.
The serpent? You might be confused who on the side of human liberty my friend.
Quote from: Pimander on April 22, 2013, 09:34:31 PM
It isn't to this mind. :P
Bill was hanging out with Rick Doty for a start. lol
It also covered the Tall Whites guy, I forget this name.
The whole Underground facility never rang true. It rings true in a sense of what may be true, but not in the sense of public perception though they perpetrated.
I've heard enough from family contact's that Nuke is true here in OZ, read enough here from someone I trust. I for some reason don't trust a mega city waiting out 2012 though as depicted in the selling point :D
OY!
Well, I feel the love so had to throw this down.
Coasttocoastam tomorrow night...
Everyones favorite actor is on.
QuoteDr. Steven Greer is Founder and CEO of Advanced Energy Research Organization and has been supervising a world-wide search for alternative energy sources that will eliminate the need for fossil fuels. Steven is also Founder and Director of the Disclosure Project and was instrumental as over 20 military, government, intelligence and corporate witnesses presented compelling testimony regarding the existence of extraterrestrial lifeforms visiting Earth. Steven has met with and provided briefings for senior members of government, military and intelligence operations in the United States and around the world.
Just when you thought it was safe to go back on the internet, then this.
Quote from: zorgon on April 22, 2013, 08:42:28 PM
The Sheep NEED fleecing :P That is the function of sheep.... to be FLEECED :P
The probhlem comes when the awakened few start going back to the flock :D
Darlin', the fact is that Humans are NOT sheep, nor is it justified to treat Them as such. I was merely stating things as One who, like Dr. Greer, might be thinking. In fact, if YOU think We are sheep and "need fleecing," You should be applauding Greer.
Quote from: zorgon on April 22, 2013, 07:57:04 PM
Giants & Little Aliens
Chile Alien
Date: 11-09-06
Host: George Noory
Guests: Steve Quayle, Dannion Brinkley
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2006/11/09
(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/en50831a06.jpg)
So as I said OLD NEWS :P
What's even funnier is that free_spirit posted that at ATS too and free_spirit is none other that Jamie Muassan's right hand man Santiago Garza
Yawl have been HAD :P
Screw real reseaerch who needs it when ya have a good story :P
::)
I love that little guy. Never in my time here have I seen such a clear image of an alien being as this.
I believe!
On the little Ailen above. My process is telling me that he/she/it was photographed on a different white background and then cut an put on this white sheet or the white area has been cleaned. It is not a precice cut and paste or clean job. Did you move it to this paper or clean the white? or is it how presented and someone else did?
Maybe ArMaP can take a look at it also......Deuem
Quote from: Amaterasu on April 23, 2013, 01:35:06 AM
In fact, if YOU think We are sheep and "need fleecing," You should be applauding Greer.
Z hates Greer. I think he looks like a right weirdo with that plastic surgery grin (Greer not Z. What's weird about wearing a sword and crown? :P )
All humans are not sheeple. However, too many are, which makes them the butt of the above jokes. Yes jokes not plans to fleece the flock which as Greer has shown is sooooooo easy.
Believe me Amy, if we really wanted to fleece sheeple we would be lot better off financially than we are. Having morals doesn't make people like us wealthy. And yes, it is bloody tempting to make a quick buck. But so far we stick to making them the butt of a joke and foraging for information. ;)
Quote from: zorgon on April 22, 2013, 07:57:04 PM
(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/en50831a06.jpg)
Is it bad that I just realised how closely this extraterrestrial, appears to resemble Beavis? Is this a coincidence, PRC? ;)
(http://flicksided.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/beavis-butthead.jpg)
Quote from: zorgon on April 22, 2013, 08:02:08 PM
(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/kl50832158.jpg)
"Step right up! Step right up!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2dMmzunwLk
Just wondering as I'm one of the few that have looked at Greer a bit and still wonder if he's trying to be genuine with a lot of his stuff : How does the Chile alien being old news mean it's fake? Because I thought it was well known that it was found a decade ago.
I also get that if it's a decade old something should've been done a long time ago, but I haven't researched this whole thing yet. To be honest the alien bit was something I thought would be picked out for ridicule and would overshadow the rest of the documentary, and I think there's some decent stuff in there after just having watched it. Anyway, am going to repost what I put on ATS, because I don't want to have to write all this out again :
Garry Nolan has been seriously misrepresented by the bought and paid for media with this. They just basically print the stuff where he says that it seemed human, but what he actually says almost completely changes that. Of course, they're owned by the "elite", so what else would they do?
Here's an extract of what he ACTUALLY said, without clipping bits to make it look like he was disappointed at finding out it was "human."
QuoteI can say with absolute certainty that it is not a monkey. Right, it is...human. Or...as close to human, closer to human that chimpanzees would be. BUT...when you count up the number of mutations that we're observing.....what we're seeing is more than what we would expect to be caused by simple cell division.
When the sequencer is creating or making these reads, it's doing it more or less at random. So what does the computer program do that people have written and designed? It takes every one of the little sequences and tries to match it against the known, ahh, and then...anything that doesn't match, it puts... in a little side file and says "this is unknown."
He said that there's 2 million basepairs of DNA where nothing seems to sit, so that's meaning that side file I guess.
To finish he talked about publishing his findings online, and then :
QuoteI don't have the resources to study and follow down every single angle that this opens up. But, you know, maybe there's a listener out there who'll be sufficiently intrigued by this, to do the analyses themselves and maybe they'll find something that I missed. Great. [meaning great if that's the case.]
If additional...erm, samples are seen of this, I'll be the first in line to want to sequence it, because then.....all bets are off.
I want to say other things here, but I also don't want to open myself up for.....you know....attack.
Slightly different than what The Huff, or The Daily Fail, have written up. Oh, and this part with the body is part of the film, they make out like it's pretty much the whole thing, because the other stuff about government secrets and what Greer calls petro-fascists are just added into one paragraph at the end. So they ridicule the film because the body is "human" when they've left out a lot of what Nolan said, and then add a little bit about government conspiracies, energy cartels, harassed scientists, huge patenting issues with alternative tech, electrogravitics going 'black' from 1954 onwards and some of the current things researchers and scientists are doing in this area.....right at the end in one paragraph.
And some of you people are going along with this? (I mean ATS people here!)
For simple bits of info that can be researched further (Note that I said "researched further.") : the film as a whole seems to do the job. The problem seems to be that people either won't research further into what's being talked about, or they want a UFO to fly through their monitor and announce contact. Or they just don't like Greer. The way I look at it is to think of what someone wanting to research could be led to from the film as a whole, and from that angle I think it does a decent job. I don't think it's perfect, but I don't think it's anywhere near as bad as people are making out. You can learn A LOT about the problems we're currently facing and their history from researching further into the themes the film presents, and that was what I was mainly concerned about.
.....
So to any of you here : how is this scientist so thrown by this if it's clearly fake? Do you think he's in on the game too? If not, what other explanations do you have? I'm personally, like I said in the repost above, just hoping awareness can be raised, so I don't see this film as too bad actually. I'm still on the fence about Greer, but if he's such a fake, or even with the intelligence agencies, why would he give so much info here that attacks the way things are?
When it comes to the idea of mixing truth with lies, how much of a limit on the truth do they set? What if this went truly mainstream, wouldn't this wake people up big style to the levels of corruption and suppression going on, and would a controlled guy really put that much out there? The only reason I can think of is that it was never intended to go mainstream and they don't think it will do. If it's all a sham, the aim is to appeal to a minority and keep them interested, but not give out too much. Is that what some of you see this as?
Sorry for so many questions at once, it's just that I'm trying not to get into this stuff too much at the moment and have other things going on. I do intend on getting back into these areas at some point in the future though I think.
Dreams of profit, fame and fortune drives many a man mad and when it becomes elusive, they become feverish with what ever shamoo madness they can sell.
Nolan would not respond to the question whether it was a male or female and he handed that off to greer to play with. I found the whole affair to be hocus pocus, we got something here, investors ya hearing us, we got somethin here and need angel funding to launch this.
Quote from: Gigas on April 25, 2013, 07:33:14 AM
Dreams of profit, fame and fortune drives many a man mad and when it becomes elusive, they become feverish with what ever shamoo madness they can sell.
Nolan would not respond to the question whether it was a male or female and he handed that off to greer to play with. I found the whole affair to be hocus pocus, we got something here, investors ya hearing us, we got somethin here and need angel funding to launch this.
Would you say that to Greer's face though? He's a big beefcake. What if he switched into a Reptoid form and started eating you?
I'm tired, no more posting until later. ::)
Actually there's one other thing that's bugging me, and will have another look to see if I can find it anywhere on the net before getting some sleep :
Wilcock in the documentary (yes, another one of the usual suspects.) says that when Oppenheimer saw the first bomb test being done at Trinity, he said "We have done this before." Then another guy comes on and says maybe he was referring to ancient times in India, and the wars that are referred to in ancient texts describing various weapons.
Has anyone else ever heard of Oppenheimer having said that? I just think it's pretty interesting if it's true.
I'd simply flash his reptilian ego a look and ask, we good now.
QuoteCircles of Power behind UFO secrecy
Dr. Steven Greer from nexus magazine Volume 13, Number 6 (October - November 2006)
After my childhood and adult contact experiences, I formed CSETI (Center for the Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence) to formalize contact protocols and teach them to other people, which we do through the CSETI week-long trainings. I realized early on, however, that there were human forces that could not be ignored whose aim was to discourage or block peaceful interaction with extraterrestrials.
My approach became two-pronged:
(1) to teach people how to contact extraterrestrial civilizations in peace
(2) to bring out the truth about the subject to governments, the military and the general public.
I like to call my book Hidden Truth – Forbidden Knowledge my personal disclosure, as it contains highlights of my spiritual journey, my interaction with extraterrestrial intelligence and with the so-called "secret government". This chapter gives a glimpse into the entity and how its members operate.
In 1993, before I briefed the CIA director, my contact for meetings at high levels had suggested that we name our operation "Project Starlight". So that's what it was called in the early days. The philosophy behind it was to assemble absolutely the best evidence that was available, which had been rigorously tested and proved, and to identify military, corporate and intelligence witnesses to programs and events. Then, with an iron-clad case in hand, we would brief the President, the intelligence and military community, Congress, the United Nations leadership and other leaders around the world, in advance of disclosure.
We knew it was crucial at the very least to give the system a chance. It's very important to understand that our intention was not simply to go in like a bull in a china shop and bring all this very sensitive information out, without first fully apprising the constitutional leaders of the world and inviting their participation. At the time, many people thought I was being silly and naive, that "those people" would never get behind something this controversial. But that's not the point!
The point is, from our perspective, that we had a moral responsibility at least to give them an opportunity to do the right thing—and if they didn't do the right thing, then it would be on their consciences and not ours.
I felt strongly that we had the obligation to give these leaders the current assessment of the situation and say to them,
"You need to take a leadership role, if this is going to be accomplished by you and not by an outside group [meaning, The Disclosure Project and CSETI]. You have an ideal opportunity that has opened after the end of the Cold War to break the cycle of misinformation, to make a fresh start."
After I met with the CIA director, a contact set up a meeting between Senator Byrd's chief investigator and counsel for the Senate Appropriations Committee and me. Senator Byrd was then chairman of the committee and very powerful. This man was named Dick D'Amato—not to be confused with Senator D'Amato from New Jersey. Dick D'Amato had a Top Secret clearance and had subpoena power from the Senate Appropriations Committee.
We met in the Senate Appropriations Committee meeting room—a huge, ornate room with a giant table and brass nameplates for each member of the committee.
He proceeded to tell me:
"I've been asked by Senator Byrd and some others to look into these things, and we've gotten close enough to know that these projects do exist. But I'm telling you that with a Top Secret clearance and a subpoena power from the Senate Appropriations Committee, I cannot penetrate those projects."
He looked at me—I'll never forget it—and said, "You're dealing with the varsity team of all black projects, so watch out. And good luck."
And that was the end of that.
Dick D'Amato and people like him know this is real, but they cannot get their hands around it or control the expenditures.
Access to these projects has nothing to do with rank or position. Access has to do with whether or not you are willing to go along with the secrecy. That is the only criterion that matters: whether you are willing to play along with the agenda.
Inside the shadow government
Those who shouldn't be in control but are comprise an illegal, rogue, break-off group that is transnational and whose members are not only ruthless and murderous but operate completely without any legal authority. When you're dealing with something as fundamentally important as this, involving technologies as powerful as those described, you begin to realize the risks to the world of allowing this masquerade to go on, unchecked, decade after decade after decade.
In 1994, an FOB (a friend of Bill Clinton) came to my home after I had briefed the CIA director. He was a very easygoing, affable guy.
He said,
"You know, everyone agrees with what you're recommending, but there's a consensus that if the President does what you've suggested to him and to the CIA director—that they exert executive power to get inside this operation and disclose it—the President will end up like Jack Kennedy."
I thought he was joking, and, to be honest with you, I laughed out loud. I truly thought, "Oh, come on." But no, he was deadly serious. And he made it very clear that he was serious.
So it went from crisis to crisis as I came to realize that the government of the United States—and of every other nation—was really hostage to an illegal, rogue group that had technologies that could do circles around a B-2 Stealth bomber and could, at will, terminate a presidency or terminate any other person who got in its way. This was made very clear to me by people who were in the inner circle of the greatest corridors of power on Earth.
Obviously, this weighed on me very heavily. I would say the period between 1992 and 1998... those six years were extremely traumatic for me. I would keep my chin up and publicly keep moving forward, but on a deep personal level it was devastating. I never lost faith in what we should do, but it was made very clear to me that the task was enormous, that the hour was late and that the stakes could not be greater.
You have to understand the compartmented nature of these interlocking interests that are keeping all this secret. They are mainly in the corporate, institutional, financial and technology sectors. The government of "We, the People" is the least important component of it, and this includes the military, the CIA, the NSA, the NRO, Army intelligence, Air Force intelligence—all of that is window dressing for an operation that's quite outside it. The real action is a hybrid group that is quasi-governmental but mostly privatized and utterly transnational—and completely illegal.
Some of the chieftains of that group invited me to meet with them after I had met with the CIA director. In advance of the meeting with the CIA director, my contact to Woolsey was terrified by the idea that anyone would find out about the meeting. He was doing everything through FedEx, and he wanted me to talk with him on the phone at telephone booths, talking in a code!
I said,
"We don't need to bother doing that, because the group that we're up against has technologies that can frustrate any system you can devise."
Well, he had been on the shortlist to be Clinton's Secretary of the Navy. So he knew the spook world fairly well. But he had been in the conventional military and intelligence world. I knew what we were up against, but he didn't.
So he said,
"Oh, no, we have to do this. You're just a doctor! I've been in all these circles, and we have to be careful."
So I humored him. I tried to explain to him that there was no way to frustrate the surveillance capabilities of this covert group, because they had non-local, "scalar" technologies that would enable them to bypass entire generations of electronics. Even the state-of-the-art NSA and NRO stuff is nothing compared to what they have, because what they have are electronic interfaces with consciousness, where they can monitor things in real time all the time. Well, he didn't know this. I knew it and had remote-viewed them remote-viewing me.
So I went along with his game. But before I had the meeting on December 13, 1993, someone who had been tied into these projects in the military in Arizona came to me and said:
"I understand you're going to be meeting with Jim Woolsey, the CIA director, about such and such on this date." I said, "I won't confirm or deny that, but isn't it interesting that you would comment on it?"
I reported this to my contact and had to pull him off the ceiling! He went ballistic!
"How could this be found out?" I said, "M.J., you haven't been listening."
The problem is that most people are too arrogant to know what they don't know.
I should also mention that during my visit to New York in the winter of 1994, while at the Hilton on Sixth Avenue, I got a phone call from a "reporter". And he said:
"I'm a freelance reporter for the Wall Street Journal. I understand you had a meeting with Admiral Woolsey regarding UFOs and extraterrestrial intelligence. What can you tell me about that?"
I didn't lie; I just asked a rhetorical question: "Do you really think a sitting CIA director would meet with a country doctor from North Carolina about a subject like UFOs and extraterrestrials?"
And he said, "Well, no, I guess not."
And I said, "Well, there you are."
I hung up, and that was the end of that. But this experience revealed to me that the media community is also mobbed up with intelligence people who are monitoring our activities.
It was around this time, in early 1994, that a contract worker for the covert shadow group that had a cell within the CIA called me.
He said,
"Look, we really want to see you get this done. Hurry up."
I said, "What do you mean, 'hurry up'?"
He said, "We've been wanting someone to appear who would do this for us; at least a third of the people in this covert control group want to see this matter disclosed, but we can't do it..."
I said, "Well, who the hell do you think I am? I'm just a country doctor here in North Carolina. I barely have a pot to pee in!"
He said, "Well, no, you don't understand. We can only do things behind the scenes."
Eventually he flew in and met with me at the Grove Park Inn, in Asheville. I'll never forget what he said to me during this conversation:
"You know, if you want to get a message to us or to the President, all you need to do is pick up the phone. Don't dial anything—just talk. Or if you prefer, just sit in your home office and talk to the four walls. Because it's all being monitored in real time."
And I said, "Yes, I know."
And he asked, "Well, how do you know that?"
I proceeded to tell him how they had made errors and left their end of the hook or tap open a couple of times. It's happened to my wife Emily, and it's happened to me. Once when I picked up the home phone to make a call, I heard a control room on the line. I could hear people talking instead of a dial tone.
So I asked,
"Who is this?"
Then a woman with a very thick foreign accent but speaking proper English said, "Oh, my God, it's Mr Greer."
And I said, "Doctor Greer to you, bitch."
And hung up!
In those days, I was outraged by these things.
Now, I couldn't care less.
So I told this man, "Yes, I'm sure that's true."
He said, "But, you know, this really does need to happen."
I said, "But why don't you do it?"
And he said, "Oh, no, it's too dangerous."
He said exactly what Laurance Rockefeller had said to me in September, standing out on his deck under the stars.
Competing interests in the cabal
By now you see a theme that keeps repeating: there are extremely well-connected people who are on the inside and who want to see disclosure, but they're terrified of the rogue, violent group.
After this meeting, I got an invitation from a group of rogue insiders to go to Phoenix in the winter of 1994. The meeting was at the Wrigley Mansion—the old, fabulous mansion that the Wrigley chewing gum family had built. It had been taken over by a cell within this covert group. Present were a number of shadowy corporate people. It was a very late night meeting.
A prominent industrialist who was involved with this cell was kept on drugs and was kept under some kind of mind control while this cell milked him of his money. They then used his money to support this particular operation. The methods and motives of this group are beyond dark.
I tell people:
"More than 10 or 15 per cent of what I have seen and learned, you don't want to hear. It's so damned disturbing, most people would commit suicide. And many people have, by the way."
We all gathered around a conference table in the Wrigley mansion. The discussion was about disclosing UFO information and making contact with ETs. One man, during a break, took me out onto a balcony and said:
"You know, we understand you've had this meeting with the CIA director and are providing information to the President, but you need to know that those people don't know anything, and they're never going to know anything. You should understand that, well, you should be talking to people like us. The people dealing with this are people who do a lot of contract work for the government, under 'Work For Others'—'WFO'—contracts. And you should be talking to certain think-tanks. And you should be talking to certain religious orders and certain orders of Jesuit priests who have control over the technology transfer. And you should be talking to..."
He gave me a whole list.
Well, I thought the man had certainly gone "round the bend". But it turned out that every single word he said was true: all of it was confirmed in the following months.
It gets more bizarre. This group or cell within the shadow government was attempting to intercept what we were doing. Remember, now, this is 1994. A former head of army intelligence—a member of that group—had offered me a board seat in 1992. So, things are progressing, and I'm not straying from my course because that's how I am.
So this man said,
"We can really help you."
I asked, "What do you mean?"
He said, "Well, you know, if you want to be supported in this, just let us help you."
I said, "How do you intend to help us?"
"Well, you're a doctor, right? So, you have really good credit. We've checked this out."
And I said, "Oh, yes, the best."
He said,
"Well, we know you have platinum cards and gold cards. Just maximize all of them, every month: $50,000, $100,000, whatever. Get as many of them as you want. And give us the numbers. And since we run all the supercomputers that back up and monitor the banking system of the world, we'll simply erase those account balances to zero, as paid each month."
This is a true story. I'm telling you, every word is true. Put me under any drug; hook me up to any machine. What I'm telling you is true.
I said, "Yes, but then if I did that, you'd own my ass, wouldn't you?" He just had a twinkle in his eye.
I was much too wise to take that bait, tempting as it was. This has been an enormous financial strain and struggle for those of us trying to do this with virtually no funding. But no way was I going to do that!
Then he said,
"I understand you're going to Europe soon to meet with certain people connected to the British royal family"—which I was.
He knew everything I was doing!
And I said,
"Well, that's true."
He said, "It so happens that I'm going to be over there meeting with the Rothschilds and the people who control the Volvo Corporation and some of the other big industrial concerns, because they're working with us."
I said, "Oh, I'm quite sure that's true."
He suggested, "Let's rendezvous while we're in London together."
I said, "Okay, that's fine."
He proceeded to tell me:
"One of my friends, who's really interested in what you're doing, is one of the leaders of the Council on Foreign Relations, Ambassador Maxwell Rabb. Would you like to come to a meeting with him?"
I said, "Well, sure, if he wants to help us."
And then he said, "And also, the Petersons—Mr Peterson was head of the Council on Foreign Relations and his wife was head of the Trilateral Commission—are also working with me, and maybe we can get together with them."
So I said, "When we have our next event, I'll invite them."
He said, "You need to know that all these people are reading what you write and are very interested in all of this."
And I said, "I know that."
Look, everyone puts their pants on one leg at a time. I view all humans as educable. And everyone has a role to play in this whole cosmic drama. But this shadowy contact was essentially, again, inviting me into the inner leading circle of the cabal. While I had no intention of being controlled by them, I have no problem sharing perspective and knowledge with them.
He also said that there were many top people that he worked with in the media and that his group worked with Bono and U2, the Moody Blues, Pink Floyd and various other groups. And they were receiving what I was writing.
And I just said,
"Well, I appreciate that."
He said, "They love what you are saying and doing..."
Later that winter, I went to Europe and met with some very good friends of Prince Charles and Prince Philip. One of Prince Charles's best friends is very supportive of the work we are doing. She wanted to receive some of the materials that I had put together for the CIA director and the President, so she could share them with Prince Charles and others.
But remember, I was squeezing this in between my emergency shifts. I literally, at times, went over to Europe for two or three days at a time and would come back and have to work a 24-hour shift in the emergency department!
In a sense, it was our own little shuttle diplomacy operation. I did meet with this shadowy Phoenix contact in London. He was still in the mode of courting me into his operations. So I would listen and learn—but never capitulate.
This group is the largest Mafiosi and organized criminal enterprise on the planet.
SOURCE: http://www.nexusmagazine.com/
Quote from: zorgon on April 22, 2013, 07:14:02 PM
BULL CRAP
If this was real, we would not NEED to ask for proof... because the real scientists would be all over it
Zorgon, while I do concur with you that the Chilean humanoid is most likely (although I am definitely not saying
certainly, as that cannot be ascertained, as of yet) fraudulent, I must respectfully question the quoted point.
It really comes down to what we are going to define a "real scientist," as. If we were going to use Pimander or someone similar as the standard for such a definition, then you may well be correct that there would be a lot of scientific interest. Historically speaking, however, there have been a number of major inventions, which initially at least, mainstream science wanted nothing to do with. I refer you to the invention of both flight and the light bulb as two examples of this. The treatment received by Fleischmann and Pons, the two researchers who initially worked on unconventional plasma electrolysis (http://jlnlabs.online.fr/cfr/), is also a strong case in point.
The scientific mainstream has demonstrated itself as an elite club, which is much more interested in maintaining the currently held status quo, than it is in investigating truly radical, or potentially paradigm-shattering claims. I place such emphasis on the above, because it is the central point of my current argument. The correct mentality is for the pre-existing paradigm or theory to be changed, if presented with contrary experimental evidence; but in reality, the commonly held "scientific," attitude is the exact opposite. If Richard Dawkins, hypothetically speaking, wanted to take issue with me (among other people) for "attacking science," then he should know that my goal is not to attack science at all; but is in fact to do the exact opposite.
In all probability, Greer
is a pure, commercialistic snake oil salesman; most of the available evidence seems to point in that direction. While, in order to be proper and to avoid pseudoskepticism, we must maintain uncertainty and emphasise that we do not definitively know that Greer is a fraud, we
can say that an argument in support of fraud at this point is compelling, absent sufficient information to confirm that either way. As the saying goes, if it looks like a duck, then it probably is; and Greer has been quacking for years.
I greatly enjoy Greer as an entertainer, as well as the illusion that he presents, of simply being a glowingly altruistic, former emergency room doctor, who just wants to get the word out, so that we can develop a better society and obtain free energy, etc etc. I constantly maintain full awareness, mind you, of the fact that in his case, an illusion is what said presentation sadly is.
One thing which we cannot accept as evidence against him, however, is his degree of acceptance or rejection by the scientific mainstream. Given my knowledge of the above, someone being adamantly
rejected by said mainstream will actually be given more initial credibility in my own mind, than will someone who is accepted by them; and this is because I am aware of the historical pattern.
New scientific ideas never spring from a communal body, however organized, but rather from the head of an individually inspired researcher who struggles with his problems in lonely thought and unites all his thought on one single point which is his whole world for the moment.
...
A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it.-- Max Planck
Quote from: Gigas on April 25, 2013, 08:00:03 AM
I'd simply flash his reptilian ego a look and ask, we good now.
I suppose there's a chance that could work!
petrus4 , well put....
Greer is a person who seems to have two sides. He is by far, pushing the Alien Contact movement in the faces of the people and goverments more than anyone I know. While at the same time doing some rather strange things on the side. At least they seem strange to me. I saw the movie Sirius and have not much to say. It is like they downloaded my entire hard drive and made the movie. Most of what was shown in the flick, we have all seen before for years. They just put a lot of old stuff together and made a movie. I did see a friend of mine in the movie for a few seconds. I have processed his work many times and asked him why NO Deuem in the movie? lol. If they are just getting around to making movies out of 10 year old stuff, I guess I will have to wait another 10 years..lol Deuem
Why do many assume we as the current species of humans, are any less alien than anyone who was to land here tomorrow?
So much banter regarding the dna and supposed appearance of aliens, and what they might look like from a nearby starsystem, we fail to recognize that we are just the latest in a long line of "inhabitants" of this planet.
When will our time to leave come to fruition, and where will the sorry leftovers of whatever society we are immersed in at that time go?
Then, will we be aliens when our survivors arrive there, or will we be able to claim our new home as truly that, and begin our human version of "progress" again?
Dr Greer has never captured my attention to much extent, his story just seems so manufactured, but of course I could be totally wrong...Id have to meet him in person and shake his hand to know if he is fully authentic, or completely artificial.
Sirius? Ill wait until pay per view and watch then...as Dueum has posed... most of the information in there is probably been well distributed across the forums and website we all have visited through the years.
As for the skull....I have to just say it doesnt look like anything Id be inclined to believe is real.
A51 will be the first to show us what our fellow aliens look like, Id bet a wad of hundreds on that!
Cheers!
Le
Quote from: Littleenki on April 26, 2013, 04:42:11 AM
A51 will be the first to show us what our fellow aliens look like, Id bet a wad of hundreds on that!
;) 8)
I want in on the game. I smell profit and wants some.
Here's my alien creature I photochopped and delivered to your screen.
It's 1.6 inches tall, fully intact with a hardshell outer layer, around 3 years laying on my PC now, so it could be older than that.
Anyway, have a look and donate so I can get this off the ground and on the alien conspiracy circuit for fame and fortune. I really need that now.
(http://s7.postimg.org/k34bydljf/alienfreakshow.jpg)
Now he's/she's/it's a Deuem
(http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa458/deuem/ETeyes.jpg) (http://s1198.photobucket.com/user/deuem/media/ETeyes.jpg.html)
We could sell little Deuem dolls. Cute kid, got my eyes.
Money, money, money.......lol from Deuem
Quote from: Gigas on April 26, 2013, 10:28:35 PM
I want in on the game. I smell profit and wants some.
Here's my alien creature I photochopped and delivered to your screen.
That would be real easy to produce on a 3D Printer :D
Calling Somamech :D
;D Thanks for my first laugh of the day. Love the eyes.