Pegasus Research Consortium

i want to build the antigravity caduceus coil mercury plasma engine.
im looking for donations.
i will donate 100$ towards this project.
thorforwinds has offered to pitch in too.
i can probly have it built for under a thousand dollars.local muffler shop at local tire store.legit business.
this offer will stand for ninety days for members to see if they can afford to be in.if it works .shareholders will get ownership in engine equal to the amount invested.if it explodes and cant be repaired .it will be sold as scrap and members will split proceeds.or donate to pegasus.probly twenty dollars scrap value.
thankyou for your time and ask me anything.

ill post videos of the company.the assembly and test.
it will either work or maybe even explode.
so either way it should be a fun learning experience.

Im pretty sure that engine is a offshoot of theories placed forth most recently by Walter Russell, but also well before him in the tales of the Vimanas.

It should be said that this type of device may become buoyant, but only when faced with a low ambient pressure above it.

The whole effect is due to the Torus set up by the dual flows of the Mercury transitioning from one state to another. So, it really does create a gravitational effect through such a transition.

But again, it is all about pressure...ask a cloud....

Good Luck, Robo..and wear safety goggles at all times!  ;)

Le

thanx le .im not gonna be anywhere near it when it fires up.

come on folks. pitch in.chance to own part of  a ufo engine .

Count me in...........Deuem

Sorry, as things are, even 10 dollars would be too much for me. :(

thanxs deuem.

@armap.dont worry if we build it we will fly by and pick u up.

I commend you on  this initiative.  Here is the thing thought I'd like to point out and perhaps even suggest to you something that I have long considered.    I myself  have thought long and hard about making my own power device of such which could have multiple applications.  Here is the thing that I have come up with and from  what I have seen in reports with other people making their own stuff.   I would say to you and anyone else is to not seek a patent on this.  If you do,  rest assured that someone else has the patent  on it and your "invention" is already copyrighted ect..ect.  Also best way to get it out there is to make your findings, and have multiple devices ready for peer review so that when the day comes and you come home one night and you find that your only test model is gone you won't be up shit's creek and out all that time and investment.     In what ever you do you have to be vigilant here when you have the potential to upset the monopolies of the energy conglomerates.   Take every, possible action to protect the invention and to go to all lengths to ensure that it  will be seen.   I will tell you that if you try to  patent it or monetize the invention, you will lose it and so will the rest of the world.   

I wish you all the best in this endeavor and just remember there have been hundreds of people before you that have made great strides and by various means it has all been shut down, bought out and out right intimidation to keep this out of the public domain. 


Edward

Well said Edward.
We are in fact applying this philosophy in the 'back room' even as we speak.
Right now i have 5 prototypes of various devices under construction, and 20 more on the drawing board. We are also going to try & market 1 or 2 useful gadgets that i have invented. No patent, just build em & sell em 8)

I have already seen that there is nothing on the market like these, so it's a whole big bag of cash just sitting there waiting for us....

Robo, i would like to see some plans here, it sounds like the B-3 drive system, which we have covered, but not in very great detail.

Hopefully when PRC actually starts to make money, we will be able to fund some of these projects. I fund everything myself, so that means i am currently broke :P but i will offer my services as engineer for free (only it won't be 40 hours a week).

OK i have to go, the fusion reactor is almost finished.......No, i'm not joking :o

yea its the one pwm.le .and others have discussed on here.
i had to get my fourwheeler exaust welded up the other day and saw that he had most of the materials to build a basic prototype.the mercury will be the hardest part to acquire.but no big deal.
im gonna build it about five feet tall with spiral wound tubing just like the original ancient design.
once welded together there will be a freon tap welded in to pull a vacuum with.once the vacuum is pulled then i will fire it up with a hot plate  on the bottom.

i expect if it works it will just fly up a few feet and then settle to earth very quickly due to cooling.

if the hotplate isnt hot enough then ill build a bonfire under it and see what happens.

and im not worried about the fuz or billionaires.the idea is all over the net but nobody has built and youtubed one yet.

you cant put pandora back in the box.

Quote from: robomont on May 09, 2013, 03:32:24 AM
i want to build the antigravity caduceus coil mercury plasma engine.

What is that?!?

Do you have any drawings, theories of operation, simulations? Computer models?

@anthra.
for about a year now weve had some threads and discussed the idea.
i didnt come up with the idea but i have been bringing it back around.
the military supposedly is using a mercury plasma engine to propel the tr3b .there is alot of bs out about it.one day i was thinking if the egyptions had high tech then there should be some ufo tech in symbols.that got me looking at the god mercury and the medical symbol.then i looked at the oldest known caduceous coil.
ive studied high voltage dc for years and the caduceus coil is a high voltage apparatus.then it clicked.it is the saucers antigravity engine.the wings on top are the symbol for flight and the outer skin of the craft.another scientist in the fifties came up with the same idea.the ball at the bottom is the mercury boiler.the shaft to the top is a tube that transfers the plasma to the top ball.the plasma charges the top ball to a high level which ionizes the air.the plasma then flows back down through the spiral tubes back to the bottom boiler.at the same time the plasma is creating amagnetic field as it goes through the spiral.this magnetic field drives the ionized air downward causing lift.the spiral is tapered to pull the ionized air under the craft and downward causing a tornado vortex under it.this is what creates crop circles. this idea runs parrallel to the description of the indian vimana from 4000yrs ago.
the mercury plasma also cools and condenses as it goes down the spiral being redelivered to the boiler.its so simple in design.yet dous three things at the same time with no moving parts.

(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t522/robomont/images_zps9ce89a0a.jpg)

pwm has just offered his engineering help.
this goes out to all members and guest.
pitch the ideas and math.
i dont know how large a diameter the tubing should be.for the spiral.i dont know how many wraps.i need to know magnetic field intensity.
i dont know how much heat to cause ionization of mercury.
i dont know how much mercury.
i dont know how much ionization i need.

ive got general ideas but to be able to refine these questions with math would help.

come one come all.

my guess is the "thing "

the thing will weigh 100-200lbs.
the spiral will be the smallest exaust pipe readily available.
the mercury will be acguired from thermometers.
the top ball will just be polished steel hitch ball.

all of these things can be changed if advice is worthy.

come on guys and gals, lets make this happen.

Sounds more like a recipie for a big explosion than anything ;D

But we can do something with it.
I would like to build a scale model (6" high?), i have 1 or 2 CC's of mercury, from an old tilt switch which when vapourised will fill quite a lot of space.
Then we will need to know more about mercury, boiling point vapour point specific gravity dielectric constant etc etc. Wiki can do that for us ;)

Kinda busy now, but it's certainly one for the drawing board.
"Project No;25" LOL
I think the biggest problem will be getting the dimensions of the spiral right......

ETA: Something i drew up years ago, a toroidial 3-phase version......

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/inventors_group/images/GWpics/B3-1ss.JPG)

Later!

674.1°F (356.7°C)
Mercury, Boiling point

Vapor Point:
59.11 kJ·mol?1

Melting Point:
234.3210 K,??38.8290 °C,?
?37.8922 °F

And the WIKI Ect. Ect, Etc....... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury_(element)) :P

LOL

1WW

Id look closer at your choice of materials first Robo, as in using heavy metal pipe will offer severe limitations once some sort of lift is recognized.

Also, if you use metal pipe, chances are youll have to operate this device on a scale, and the difference in perceived weight will give you your lift numbers.

If I built this thing, it would be from either a much lighter materials set, such as wafer thin aluminum for the boiling chamber, and then some sort of thinwall aluminum tubing for the coil and other fittings.

What you are trying to achieve is possible in nature, as all solids(matter) will, in the quest to return to the creator as a gas or vapor, offer some sort of lift as it transitions from solid to vapor..and this movement is always towards the heavens at right angles to the Earth's center.

Then the downward flow of ions from the vaporization of the Mercury will offer another boost.

The device will display an inherent effort to begin spinning, too, when turned on, and this spinning can be used towards lift, or can negate it as well..care must be taken to observe the weight of it as it operates at differing intensity levels, then adjusting the ability of it to spin freely, which will waste upward thrust if not coordinated with the thrust in the correct ratio. A throttle of sorts....or PTO.

Also, remember, even if it doesn't fly....it will provide some sort of angular momentum, and that must be a percentage higher than the input, to be of any useful engineering. If it gets a little overunity, it could effectively spin up a generator slowly, and keep it going using a flywheel once the rpm is sufficient for tapping off inductively.

And finally, if this device uses displaced ions as it's main source of thrust, then it will basically be an elemental, or isotopic lifter, depending on what really happens in the closed loop of the device...with the same limitations and operative deficiencies as a lifter.

Much work for the math people here..thank god Im not one of them!LOL!

Cheers!
Le

the metal has to be iron or steal due to destructive corrosion by mercury plasma.

if it just glows blue then ill call small success.

i expect some rotation if it is air born.

small tubing may hold more pressure than large tubing but may dissipate heat slower.

there may need to have a dome over or under it to direct ions around engine to create more lift.

as this goes forward.i will get a general bid on materials and labor around the third of next month.

please try to have all math formulas in faranheit and standard american measurments .

i want this info to be easily understandable by the general public so it is easily dissiminated to the public.
this is just as much about getting the info out there as it is about building and testing.

Look at the Vimanas too, Robo...they are often shaped like a cone, and the hull itself may have been a tuned exhaust for the ionic flow...

Le

the cone shaped ones dont use this engine .only the round and saucer shaped ones.

Can you get a design of the device on line here so we have a better understanding of what your idea is, got a basic idea, and doing the math isn't really all that hard, may take a while but not overly mind melding, but seeing the principle design idea would help a lot robomont.

1WW

the basic design is the pics i posted earlier in the thread.not the green swirly but the first pic of the four pics.minus the wings.
if thing is a hundred pounds then we need to move a hundred lbs of ionized air.the magnetic field needs to be able to grab and drive downward .my guess the energy needs to described in watts .im not familiar with the strength of magnetic fields.that is my weakness.i think the term is teslas?.basically the spiral is a solinoid.i need a solinoid that will lift a hundred pounds.with a magnetic field large enough to grab all the ionized particles.my guess is the thing is self adjusting but the math helps.the righthand rule says that looking from above and down on the thing the spiral will be counterclockwise.

does any of that help?

Yes it does (a little) we will need to go much further, like the diagram i posted above. This is my rendition of the actual B-3 drive, but with my own extras.

The spiral is indeed a type of geometry that has cropped up in the past, right L.E.?
:D

You guys carry on for a while, i have stuff to do.
But i won't be far away :P

P.S. Check THIS (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=963.0) out, i decided to move one of my threads on free energy to the open forum :P
Now this may seem 'old hat' or 'debunked' to you, but we have fully tested it & it WORKS!
:P 8) :o ;)

@pwm .tried to access.still locked out.

ok robo, let me add a little to this; i deal with high pressure tubing on a daily basis putting in oil and grease systems; 5/8" oil tubing made of steel, .035" wall thicknes, rated at 2500psi; a 20' length of it weighs  around 2lbs. and is easily bent or shaped using a conduit bender; we also use different diameters of pipe up to 1 1/2", also have grease tubing that is heavy wall, designed to stand well over 5,000 psi;

exhaust tubing will burst at somewhere between 200 and 400 psi; I also have access to steel ferrule fittings to make all the connections and joints, all forged fittings that are high pressure rated;

for the targeted funding amount you stated you can buy more than enough to construct several prototypes and have a much higher safety factor and a lot less weigh, much easier materials to work with, and basically be able to do all of the design and construction yourself with simple hand tools...


seeker

seeker you are awesome.i like what im hearing.

i think it should be welded though as fittings usually leak under a vacuum.not always but most times.especially with high heat added.

but i really appreciate the advice on the pressures.
i did not know those numbers.

where would i find that tubing or is it just brake line?

if we all pitch in i think we can make the thing and at minumum watch it explode.   :  )

i think the coil will be spoy welded in places

i think the coil will be spot welded in places to keep its funnel form.

that 5/8 tubing sounds pretty good.

is their anybody out there that could give me an idea about the magnetic field?

thanx again to all yall.this is beginning to come along real well.

world wide fittings is one of our main suppliers, they have a website  8) besides the mild steel tubing it is also available in stainless steel, aluminum, and high carbon steel; the steel ferrules on the fittings are routinely under very high pressure and unless you generate enough heat to melt the tubing( which should be vastly higher than the boiling point of the mercury) the ferrules and fittings would be the lesser of my worries; the fittings are forged, not cast or draw;

http://www.worldwidefittings.com/


seeker

because mercury gas is deadly.i dont want to take any chances.

working in air conditioning i found that any time there was a leak in a system.99% of the time it was a connection of fittings.
not to say they want work but safety is number one.

i dont want to kill anybody.just make a big bang .
one way or another.lol.

the world wide fittings site didnt have a  price list.just sales email.

do you have a general idea of what tubing would cost?

i think a 1000 degrees F.will probly get the job done.since 648 is boiling point.

i may have to go with a larger heat source like a rosebud w propane.

I understand your concerns, I have had an a/c license for freon since the early 90's; I will see about getting a copy of our price list Monday...
but if you really think about it, this functions on the same basic principal as the old gas refrigerators from the 50's, didn't have a compressor, used heat instead...


I would have a manifold somewhere in the system(need one to pull a vacuum anyway) so establishing system integrity and ability to hold 25-30" of vacuum for the mercury should satisfy leak concerns...


seeker

got my card in the late nineties.
yea im going to put the mercury in and then weld up last connection.
a tap will be welded in to pull a vacuum with.then the tap will be crimped just in case the schrader valve fails from heat.

and yes ,get me the price list.thankyou seeker

Seeker, here is a quick sketch of the Tesla pump i was referring to.
Tesla used a diaphragm pump i believe, but the principle is the same.

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/inventors_group/images/ODD/TP1.jpg)

As you can see it's dead easy, the only part that will wear out are the springs, so you replace them with a pin behind the ball bearings. The cylinder can be ceramic or teflon lined etc and there are 2 sets of 'o' rings behind the piston. You don't even need the hinges either, just use an H core & have valves on each side etc etc...

I built something like this when i was a kid :)

It works fine at 50-60 Hz, but they become mega pumps at higher frequencies, i think Tesla used a pump like this running at 3000 cycles per second (3KHz) to liquefy air for his big transformers.

Funny it's not in Wiki :P
ETA; maybe it's listed under 'espresso machines' LOL

i tthought the tesla pump was a finless turbine.

Yes, THAT one is, but Mr. T designed a whole lot of mechanical stuff, including (something like) the one shown here.
He also designed the vortex one-way valve which has no moving parts at all, something we could use in our design ;)

Ask Amaterasu, she found it ;D

http://blog.makezine.com/2012/01/05/the-tesla-valve-one-way-flow-with-no-moving-parts/ (http://blog.makezine.com/2012/01/05/the-tesla-valve-one-way-flow-with-no-moving-parts/)

ive decided to go with two freon tanks as top and bottom ball or maybe propane tanks since they are round.i can get freon tanks for free and polish them so there is no arching from high voltage.

i also found mercury.triple distilled for 100$ a half lb.

I stil got my old freon stuff too, & 5 liters of R22 which i'm keeping to freeze my HF projects ;D

Mercury can store a LOT of energy, in this case millions of joules, also as heat.
Whatever your pressure values are, double them.
Flanges are indeed useless, they can only handle 150 or 300 PSI (50 bar) that's the standard ones. Higher ones are available up to 14,000 PSI but they are THICK so it's best to weld them, preferably TIG & a good dose of argon 8)

And make your ports & valves BIG, you may need to dump a large volume of gas in a short time, so its about volume as well as pressure.

Who'se backyard are we going to test it in?
;D

thankyou for the math.im gonna go with a half pound of mercury unless someone on here donates theres.lol.hundred dollars plus shipping is what i found on the net.i may only build it four foot high.right now im waiting on the price on the tubing.i dont know how much mercury i really need though.maybe a tablespoon.lets say the volume of the thing is fourteen cubic feet.how much mercury in the plasma state would that be.
maybe less cubic feet.just guestimating right now.

at worst my backyard but i have a massive strip coal mine about a mile from me so i could maybe do it there.im trying to keep the local audience to a minumum.out of site out of mind.ill let youtube do the talking for us.

seeker is suppose to get me a price on the tubing.just a general idea.

I tried some rough calcs based on that volume & the amount it is likely to expand.
I came out at 2.7 Kg or about 5 pounds :o

...but i could be way out on that :P

five lbs of mercury.well then we need to get more money or reduce volume.right now i have three hundred budgeted.deum 100.thor 100.me 100.
scheduled for assembly around july 4th.
so fourteen gallons divided by five equals three gallons.so the volume needs to be way lower.does that sound correct if we go with 1/2lb. of mercury?could you also show the math if thats possible so that it can be reviewed.

I think i did something like, it would expand 2000 times at boiling point, and 6,000 times after that. The density is about 13 1/2 times that of water so i multiplied my volume by that much to account for the density.
(ETA: I meant 'mass' not 'volume' sorry)
It all depends on how hot you make it, what kind of pressure this thing can take etc. OK you need a certain volume of mercury vapour at X degrees and Y pressure.
If you go for the max expansion of 2000 then you only need 1 1/2 pounds.

I think ???

Hell, you can always add more later, it would be safer to start with as little as possible & go as hot as you can. If we see an effect, we can drum up some cash & get more mercury in there.

Just my 2 cents ;)

yea danmed if you do danmed if you dont.
i only need the first level of ionization.dont want to melt the boiler.
i think ill go with just the 1/2lb.for now like you said.
mercury is basically caustic with so many metals otherwise i would put a pressure gauge on it.
i had my date wrong august 14th is the correct date for 90days.
i was hopin seeker would get back to me on a general idea of prices for that tubing he was talking about.regardless the show must go on.
i am 100% determined to make a try at this.
it sure would be nice to get some result.

the next project after this is going to be a magnet motor.probly this fall.

Quotethe next project after this is going to be a magnet motor.probly this fall.

Just don't try my one, it didn't work too well....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icNs4JFQHV8

:D

i think where everybody is going wrong is there has to be magnet kill switches.if you wrap a magnet with a copper coil and send nine volts dc through it then the magnettic field will die.by mounting a cometator on the end shaft to time the pulses then the machine would not run up.once a load is put on shaft then cometator can be bumped up a little but the main thing is the timed kill of each magnet at the proper time.if i build one there will two kills at the same time on opposite sides of wheel so it stays balanced.the 9v battery will be charged by the generator.
once i saw that magnetic fields could be forced to collapse using small dc voltage.i knew i had the answer.if you know of a vid that uses something like that.please point it out.because in my mind.the thing absolutely would work.

You are essentially correct, Robo old mate :D

Only these magnets are very strong, so i will need quite a big coil (volts not amps) to momentarily squash the field...
Good to see all that green stuff hasn't melted your brain yet, buddy ;D

I might point out that the "green stuff" is neurogenic - it creates neurons, not destroying them as alcohol and many other "drugs of abuse."

i remember seeing a show that had video of magnetic boots.a nine volt battery powered a coil in each boot.the coil was large diameter wire.i would think cheap magnets would make a decent first generator.

Not sure whether you can quench a magnetic field using less energy than you'll get out of the generator side, but it's gotta be worth a go.

The other way of turning a field off is to use shielding material. I am told that the best magnetic shielding material in existence is used inside of hard drives, and so is free for the cost of mining it.

FB!

yes .quenching two magnets out of sixteen at any one time while the rest are pulling /generating should be easy.plus the magnets dont need to be mechanically angled or mechanically timed.just an electric switch.

another piece of history i found to add to my theory."caduceus ,the dragons of flamel",i was researching nicolas flamel and the sorcerers stone and came across this quote.as i believe the dragons of lore are ufos and the mercury caduceus engine is used in ufos this quote made sense.

Howdy Robomont.

As for the Flamel connection, that's out there, but not unheard of my friend. Look at our tech today and Star Trek, very coincidental, or maybe not?

I did quite a bit of research into "Pinched Electromagnetic Fields" and there are a few things out there, but nothing that is really exacting for the research. Boyd Bushman from Lockheed did a on-sight experiment with a couple of stones that were exact in weight and similar in shape, It may have been a plaster cast that one was hollowed out and the other left to created weight, then the hollowed out one he took two plate rare earth magnet's and ran a piece of all thread through the center, putting the faces of resistant charges face to face, tightened down some nut's to the magnet's, forcing the "Pinch" with in Magnetic field and then had 10 separate students from the campus, none of them physics oriented students, then proceeded to drop them simultaneously from a 30' tall drop.

As he conducted the tests, and much to his surprise, 9/10 students watched the magnet's drop ten times each and apparently chose the Magnet filled rock/cast as being slower than the Solid one, so there must be something there with in "Pinched magnetic fields" too be apparently 'Noticeable'.

I have seen some Spectra-graphed anomalies when two magnet's are put in this circumstance as well, there was a huge increase of magnetic Fields parameter differences between the the 'Pinch' states, i.e. 3", 2", 1" etc., etc., the field got bigger as the magnet's became more tightened to one another.

Think it should be fare too mention that the students that participated in Bushman's experiment actually said the magnetic filled rock fell a full 2-3 seconds slower to their perception.

Have you ever gotten a drawing or rendering done for your design too post here yet robo? And as FB had stated, "Go for it!!" One only can get answer's that one needs of what too do and what not too do. ;)

1WW

no i may post a design once i scavenge the parts.i went to the science forums site to get a number cruncher and had no luck.got shotdown on my blackhole theory but no big deal.im not building a blackhole.my speciaty is high voltage and it was because of those skills that allowed me to see the obvious of the caduceus design.it made common sense to me.even though the knowledge is not common.
i dont understand magnetics that well .thats why im lookiing for someone with magnetic field experience.but i know what a solenoid is and thats what the snakes are.obvious to any electrician.im 70% in belief the first "thing" i build will work.
its going to be small and simple to keep cost low.just hope my two angel investors come through for me : )
otherwise it take a little longer.im determined though .we will get good results or bad results but we will have results.

Quote from: 1Worldwatcher on June 02, 2013, 05:06:56 AM
As he conducted the tests, and much to his surprise, 9/10 students watched the magnet's drop ten times each and apparently chose the Magnet filled rock/cast as being slower than the Solid one, so there must be something there with in "Pinched magnetic fields" too be apparently 'Noticeable'.

Don't forget that, on Earth, all magnet experiments are being done inside the Earth's magnetic field, that's why magnets point to nort/south, as you can see in the video below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSig_F6le9M

PS: sorry for any advertisement, I was given the possibility of having adverts in my videos, so I'm using it. :)

Quote from: robomont on June 02, 2013, 06:44:16 AM
no i may post a design once i scavenge the parts.i went to the science forums site to get a number cruncher and had no luck.got shotdown on my blackhole theory but no big deal.im not building a blackhole.

Let's hope you're right about that. :)

Quotei dont understand magnetics that well .thats why im lookiing for someone with magnetic field experience.but i know what a solenoid is and thats what the snakes are.obvious to any electrician.im 70% in belief the first "thing" i build will work.

Aren't there too few turns for the snakes to work as a solenoid?

the oldest designs have a minumem of five turns x two tubes for a total of ten wraps.thats why i want a specialist in magnetic fields to see it i need more smaller diameter tubes or just some larger less wraps.gonna be researching it more before august gets here.ive pretty much got the amount of energy input that needs to be though.one horsepower will be more than enough and thats  not even one whole kilowatt.746watts is one horsepower.i may be able to use a hotplate or a propane rosebud for heat .depending on test location.the heat should build up quick as its a sealed system.my biggest worry is it does work and ends up landing on a house and killing the occupants.thats why im looking for a remote area.ive got plenty to choose from though.

robomont wrote:

Quotemy biggest worry is it does work and ends up landing on a house and killing the occupants.thats why im looking for a remote area.ive got plenty to choose from though.

Yes, lets not go down this road of research, maybe scale model would be more cost efficient as of right now anyway? You can always scale up after initial tests and trial runs are made robo, just be safe when trying usable models as far as size goes, could get hairy..  :o

1WW

small model cant handle heat.would just melt into blob.

 http://m.apl.aip.org/resource/1/applab/v83/i26/p5395_s1?isAuthorized=no  (http://m.apl.aip.org/resource/1/applab/v83/i26/p5395_s1?isAuthorized=no)found this .i think it says that high current ionizes the mercury plasma.that would be relative to high heat.i may have to go down on amount of mercury.after thing is built i will fill with water to get exact volume.then you guys can run the numbers to know the exact amount of liquid mercury is needed.that way the max ionization without explosion.;-)

 http://tempest.das.ucdavis.edu/mpi/smagnetic/smagnetic.html  (http://tempest.das.ucdavis.edu/mpi/smagnetic/smagnetic.html) and here is an article on plasma creating a magnetic field.now they are using microwave but any high energy supply should work.

spoke to neighbor friend.he agreed to let me use his rosebud torch and bottle for heat supply.

got the freon jugs that will be the boiler and ion ball.bottom and top.gonna take a wire wheel to them and pollish then up shiny.(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t522/robomont/2013-06-11113958_zps4f3653f7.jpg)

Sorry about that, I got distracted by a commercial project.
anyway; 100 pounds of ionized air per second.

This will be difficult;
Air at normal density weighs about 3.3 lbs per cubic meter (35.3 cuft) so you will be moving the equivalent of 64,175 CFM. How much space did you say you have? You may want to consider increasing the air pressure in the system, that way you can move a greater mass in a smaller area.

This is a closed system, right?
I'll put together a "practical" system and we'll see what happens.

I cant remember what my original estimate was, i think it was a few kilos.
So, you can start by using 1/5 or 200g which is a few ounces, and see what the pressure is after vapourisation.

Remember, a plasma is super conductive & super inductive. You can pass a LOT of current through a plasma, take my word for it ;)

You will need to turn those bottles upside down & vac them hard to get all the freon out ;)

no anthra.the thing will have mercury plasma in the ionizing state.the outside will be air moving around it.the top ball of the caduceus will ionize the air and the tornado shaped coils will pull the ionized air down around it and to the bottom boiler ball.

yes pwm .thats what im talking about.i will be filling it full of water and get an exact volume for you to crunch the numbers on.hopefully anthra will get up to speed and we can get an idea on the wraps  and diameter of tubing.i checked on hydraulic tubing.2.06$ a foot for 1/2 INCH.some where between twenty and forty feet.

now this is what i call teamwork.thankyou guys : )

I'm still working on your device, tween research, working for my company; I'm a bit behind. But, anyway check out this link: http://thesis.library.caltech.edu/7231/ (http://thesis.library.caltech.edu/7231/). It's to a paper on using magnetic shock tubes to produce high Mach shock waves; this is very close to what you will need to do to move your 100lbs of air. (that is a large volume of Air: 1246 cubic feet).

Some questions:
What size can this thing be?
How fast can the Air be moving?
Can I Ionize the Air?

yes anthra.thats what i need .questions.if the air is confijed to a small area then shockwaves would be possible.but if the area is say 100ft diameter then its not moving that fast for a hundred lbs per second.so im kinda shooting in the dark but what are the requirements for a magnetic field 100ft in diametr from a three ft diameter coil..the coil dimeter is average as top coil will be four ft diameter and bottom coil will be two ft diameter.avg.how many volts and amps or watts total to get what i need.
does this begin to be understandable to you?
i appreciate your time.we are on the timeline of middle of august so no big deal.we can have it all worked out by then.if you need a better pic to understand whats going on .i can draw something crude and post but its a pain in the but for me.i will throw up a pic of the refence one though.

Quote from: robomont on June 14, 2013, 07:33:00 PM
yes anthra.thats what i need .questions.if the air is confijed to a small area then shockwaves would be possible.but if the area is say 100ft diameter then its not moving that fast for a hundred lbs per second.so im kinda shooting in the dark but what are the requirements for a magnetic field 100ft in diametr from a three ft diameter coil..the coil dimeter is average as top coil will be four ft diameter and bottom coil will be two ft diameter.avg.how many volts and amps or watts total to get what i need.
does this begin to be understandable to you?
i appreciate your time.we are on the timeline of middle of august so no big deal.we can have it all worked out by then.if you need a better pic to understand whats going on .i can draw something crude and post but its a pain in the but for me.i will throw up a pic of the refence one though.

Yeah, post some pics. I can use them to construct a 3D model.

On the air pump; with a 3 inch area: 100lbs/sec = 115 mph (or there abouts) If the area is 100 feet then a high tech air pump is not needed, and can be replaced with an appropriate fan.

three inch air pump?

this thing will be grabbing air out to maybe a hundred feet in diameter.especially once it gets to outer space and ionizes hydrogen.

no disrespect anthra but have you read this entire thread?

most everything is already available.i think a pick is on the first page of thread.its not that hard to figure out what a three d model would look like.

Yes, I have read the thread, several times. It is more than a bit ambiguous. Anyway from your drawing on page 2:

(http://images.wolfmagick.com/images/mercury_ring2.png)

I didn't include the part after the ring and mercury supply, it look like cooling mostly and thus nt quite as important (we just can't forget it need to be there).

This is system is incomplete, as it seems to lack hardware to ionize the Mercury.

The whole system is rather vague and there is little serious science or engineering data available on this beast. But, after some searching I did find an article on this thing with a little about how it is supposed to work. Well that just my luck: I didn't record the link, and now I can't find it.

Anyway, this animal is supposed to use an action where electrons (or in this case negative ions) travel in a helical manner (cork-screw). This is actually a well known phenomena and was used in early Electronic Counter Measure Equipment to generate "noise". The helical action of the ions is supposed to "disrupt" gravity, I have some reservations.

Tokamak, y'all should look it up, quite interesting.  "A tokamak, or tokomak, is a device using a magnetic field (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_field) to confine a plasma (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_(physics)) in the shape of a torus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torus). Achieving a stable plasma equilibrium (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_equilibria_and_stability) requires magnetic field lines (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_field#Magnetic_field_lines) that move around the torus in a helical (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helix) shape. Such a helical field can be generated by adding a toroidal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toroidal_and_poloidal) field (traveling around the torus in circles) and a poloidal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toroidal_and_poloidal) field (traveling in circles orthogonal to the toroidal field). In a tokamak, the toroidal field is produced by electromagnets (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnet) that surround the torus, and the poloidal field is the result of a toroidal electric current (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_current) that flows inside the plasma. This current is induced (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_induction) inside the plasma with a second set of electromagnets."

"The tokamak is one of several types of magnetic confinement devices (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_confinement_fusion), and is one of the most-researched candidates for producing controlled thermonuclear (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermonuclear) fusion power (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusion_power). Magnetic fields are used for confinement since no solid material could withstand the extremely high temperature of the plasma. An alternative to the tokamak is the stellarator (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellarator)."

This device is used in nuclear fusion reactors. Additional research on this does not indicate any anomalous gravity issues with the device. So, IF there are any actual "anti-gravity" actions happening with this, then it is specifically the presence of Mercury that is responsible.


Here is my "version" of the device.

(http://images.wolfmagick.com/images/mercuryplasmadrive.png)

Some of the issues that we are left with is the complete lack of specific data on how to operate this thing. Thus a very flexible Electronics  control system needs to be developed, one that can provide at least this list:
Plasma / Mercury density control
Plasma charge
Plasma rotational velocity

Sorry I took so long...I hadn't realized that there was no place to upload images, so I had to build one  8)
(http://images.wolfmagick.com (http://images.wolfmagick.com))

sorry for the late reply.
new design .new design has 3ft.tall pipe .welded at top and bottom.2 spiral coils of tubing welded at half way point on pipe and also welded at bottom of pipe.this will contain the mercury plasma at high pressure.the pipe and tubing will be 3000psi+ .the ball at top will be freon jug spotwelded in place.as jug cant handle the pressure but can ionize the air easily due to its round design.
the mercury plasma that flows through the tubing will create a magnetic field pullling the ionized air down and under.thus creating lift..

the spiral of tubing will start out wide at the midway point on the pipe and gradually the wraps will get smaller until it gets to bottom.there it will also be attached.

ige tried using scribbler app to make a drawing but having time getting to upload.
basically take the wings off of typical caduceus design and what is left is what im building.

ANTHRA that is some impressive CAD work I like it.
I think you raise a valid point in mentioning the negative results gained in thrust/lift
from the Tokamak I think whilst Robo's design uses different techniques and contents
it does raise some questions.
ROBO it's very ambitious & i applaud your determination and effort BUT (i know sorry)
Do you think the low tech heating you propose to use is the best way to go?
There seems to be little control once you fire up the torch what about gauges
and are you doing a water pressure test 1st.

It sounds like a one shot machine it may work it may explode. I would love to see
your diagramme completed. just to see if i can offer anything.

I have worked with high pressure pneumatics and hydraulics solenoids play a huge part
You say this will basically be one huge solenoid or will act in the same way?

Hmm i'm interested Robo. could you do your design in microsoft paint? with parts listed valves/gauges/flame source/effects expected?

im kinda confused by yalls confusion.isnt the pic on page one.obvious?
isnt it easy to imagine a three foot tall one ?
i welcome somebody producing a graphic of that pic.even a 3d rendering with the plasma flowing through the coil and the ionizing field and magnetic fields.

as far as one shot deal.absolutely.
thats why im building it on the cheap.
once i prove the concept then im sure the motivation of this team will carry it to next level.
otherwise i will.

im tired of getting speeding tickets.

Quote from: stealthyaroura on July 04, 2013, 12:47:15 AM
ANTHRA that is some impressive CAD work I like it.
I think you raise a valid point in mentioning the negative results gained in thrust/lift
from the Tokamak I think whilst Robo's design uses different techniques and contents
it does raise some questions.

I've been thinkin bout that. In semiconductors only two materials are used, Silicon and Germanium. It could be that there are properties of Mercury specifically that make this system work. Also, with the system I'm working on the material is rather specific, in my case niobium.

Just sayin that just because these effects are absent from Tokamak doesn't mean they don't exist. The description I read of "how" this works is interesting and raises several systems control questions; how dense is the plasma stream? What is its charge?

I'd like to see some serious science n this thing.

there are other semiconductors.gallium arsenide is what my uncle used to make emp proof heat seaking chips.
the tokamat had its mag field forced closed by a bigger mag field outside of it.if im correct.
im not pressurizing the thing with water.im pulling a vacuum.im using water to find internal volume.that way i know how much mercury to use.i dont want so much plasma the thing explodes.just enough to get it to fly.the charge at top of boiler will be positive and charge at bottom will be a negative .this is due to higher voltage gradient at top .the top will ionize positively all air molicules for a large area.so if it doesnt fly then it should make some great lightning.i believe thats what the stonehenge is.a platform to allow saucer to ionize air and not  arc to ground.the circle at the nazi bell sight also.

Actually from re-reading your description  ROBO i can picture it more clearly.
I meant are you doing a pressure test like they do with air compressor vessels
just so you no it won't burst or implode I have never performed a test on vacuum
but I guess it can be done.Has a kind of DIE GLOCK feel to it Robo 8)
What you need is a scrap yard to roam about and rummage for parts ;) you would find
EVERYTHING baring the mercury but I see you have found a source for that (bloody cheap one too)

I will keep me eye on your progress pal. I see you have some of "the beast's" components :)
Got to get the experiment on camera it may be epic in all manner of ways  ???
light it and RUN! get the bloody thing tethered or maybe a test rig?

as a parttime welder.i reasonably know whether a weld will hold or not.a vacuum test works faster and shows leaks.3000psi isnt really that high.growing up in the oilfield,ive got alot of experience with steel and iron works.

 Ah yes Gallium, for got about that one. Not used much in our more "mundane" electronics, but is used for LEDs and Microwave electronics (it has very good high frequency properties).

On the volume of the device; that should be rather easy to compute, after all it is only a cylinder, and it dimensions fixed. Also, I've not seen any place where the density of the plasma has been spec'ed. This shouldn't be too much of a problem if the controllers are properly designed. With good design you can determine the density and control it over what should be a rather good range.

(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t522/robomont/WATER_214_2011_1023_Fig2_HTML_zpsa126ac75.jpg)

i dont think the chart above is correct.if someone can find the correct chart it would be appreciated.

im probly not using the proper search words.

Anthra:

Your device you rendered in CAD is very similar to design's we have discussed with in 'Alcator' applications and implementation's for a form of alternative energy production.

(http://images.wolfmagick.com/images/mercury_ring2.png)

Playswithmachines design and description of working parts (Hand drawn rendition)

(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i246/Allred5923/AlcatordesignbyLukePWM.jpg)

Quote1.  is a vacuum pump, one of the best being an old freezer compressor.

2.  A bypass valve, don't know if it's needed here...

3. is a 3-way valve, switching between the compressor, the gas tank (4) and the toroid, so arranged that you first suck all the air out, then switch to the gas tank to let the gas in (this can be any light gas, preferably Helium, or any mixture of gases etc)

4. Gas tank, see above.

5. The seal for the toroid, this is also the inlet/outlet port.

6. Seal.

7. is the toroid itself, in this case a glass tube from an old 'round' flourescent lamp, which has a 'viewing port' (10) scraped from the inside.
(in retrospect, it will be necessary to clean the entire inside of the tube to prevent vapourised phosphor coating interfering with the plasma)

8. One of a series of coils, designed to accelerate & confine the plasma.

9. is an annular (concentric) magnet, designed to assist the coils in containing the plasma, & maybe also to help accelleration, this may prove difficult because the plasma will react strongly to the magnet, so it may slow down the beam instead....

10. viewing port, see above.

8, 12, and 13 are the main 'drive' coils, again they may have a useful dual function if they can be used to extract energy from the plasma.

11 is an extra coil, purely for measuring current density of the plasma.

14. Is a flat coil, purely to see what happens when a second field at 90 degrees is introduced....

15. is yet another magnet, placed in line with the plasma instead of across it, also just for experimentation, to see how the plasma reacts.

QuoteThe Alcator Solution— Compact Size, High Magnetic Field Intensity

A plasma is a gaseous sea of positively charged atoms, called ions, and free, negatively charged atomic particles called electrons. The behavior of plasmas is extremely complex, and the task of controlling a superheated plasma with magnetic fields has been compared to suspending a piece of jello between rubber bands.

The Alcator C-Mod experiment and its predecessors, Alcator C and Alcator A, belong to a class of devices called tokamaks, which use magnets to confine the plasma in a donut shape, called a torus. There are major tokamak experiments all over the world working at the leading edge of controlled fusion research, and dozens of smaller, less powerful devices. Alcator C-Mod is the newest, most advanced world-class tokamak, 
Video shot of confined plasma. 
built to explore the physics of plasmas in a compact, high field environment.
The word Alcator is an acronym derived from the Italian words Alto Campo Torus, meaning high field torus, and the magnetic fields developed inside the Alcator tokamaks are among the highest ever achieved.
Alcator's high confining fields let researchers experiment with plasmas hotter and denser than those in machines of similar size. In fact, Alcator C was the first device to produce the density and confinement of hot plasma necessary for a useful fusion reaction.

The object of this thing was to see how & if a plasma may be contained, rotated, experimented upon, and for very low cost.
ETA: the reason i used 3 coils is because you can feed them from a standard industrial 3-phase motor control, which will give you control of the voltage, current, frequency etc. No complex electronics needs to be built-it exists already
Just one of the crazy ideas i get now & then.
But since we are getting into this a lot further than i had ever imagined 12 years ago, we may as well build it.

Radiant Energy Power Box by Tom (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=3013.msg45588#msg45588)

May be of some use as far as your design goes robo, but with Tokamak research, there are some fine lines between weapon's and applicable every day power supplies.

Will have too render PWM's Alcator with in CAD as well, PC just wasn't liking me a few months ago, then I got the Virus, wiped out hundreds of researched pages and still haven't recovered them all. :'(

a freezer one works best of salvaged ones but a new ac one pulls down better and faster.

Quote from: robomont on July 04, 2013, 08:42:00 PM
a freezer one works best of salvaged ones but a new ac one pulls down better and faster.

Might find slow and gradual will produce more precise and desirable effects. ;) And you don't need a Cryonic episode to achieve acceptable boundaries with in the cooling apparatus.

1WW

1WW,

Yeah I see that. :)

I lean a bit more toward this one however:
(http://images.wolfmagick.com/images/mercuryPlasmaDrive.png)

For either application.

The Ion supply / inlet on the other is at right angles, and thus may present a flow issue for new plasma. This design however uses an injector that is more "inline" with the plasma ring. Most of the other stuff; magnets, etc. are more of a "bolt - on" nature.

If we place a plasma accelerator just after the injector we shouldn't have many "injection" issues. I'm also thinking that there should be "conductivity" sensors inside to assist in maintaining density, as well as possible vortex detection / mapping.

(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t522/robomont/scribbler_zpsa013ec9f.png)

the green line in center is steel pipe.the red is the ionizing ball/pollished freon bottle.the blue is the spiral high pressure tubing.welded at bottom and middle to make two circuits for plasma to flow through and make a giant magnetic field.
the pink is the ionizing hv field coming off top.the other green is the ions being pulled by the magnetic field.

sorry pic is sideways as done on droid.

Quote from: robomont on July 06, 2013, 03:23:33 AM
the green line in center is steel pipe.the red is the ionizing ball/pollished freon bottle.the blue is the spiral high pressure tubing.welded at bottom and middle to make two circuits for plasma to flow through and make a giant magnetic field.
the pink is the ionizing hv field coming off top.the other green is the ions being pulled by the magnetic field.

(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t522/robomont/scribbler_zpsa013ec9f.png)

sorry pic is sideways as done on droid.

sorry robo, can get the jest of what your design looks like, but am still not seeing the concept as it should be seen.

"Whats the 'bright Green' thing that looks like a broken coat hanger from the right ? Ambient atmosphere being dragged in for charging? And which direction is teh 'Polished Tank' going to be pointing, up or down?"

"What is it's displacement gradient from earths gravity?"

"Does or will this device have an Ionization tube or hv indicator?"

"How big is this device once it is assembled?"

"What will this be mounted in or on? Does it go directly into the ground?"

Sorry, would like to understand 'Better' of the whole concept and am getting a bit confused. I am assuming this is a concept based on no or minimum moving parts, maybe a drawing on paper then a snap shot of that drawing with explanation may serve too be prudent at this stage of the discussion. ;)

1WW

(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t522/robomont/2013-07-06104840_zps4d4dcbe4.jpg)

(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t522/robomont/2013-07-06104617_zpsc7180320.jpg)the freon jug is for a round smooth surface.there are no moving parts except plasma flowing throughout.
the plasma charges the freon tank causing it to charge the air.the coil has a magnetic field that pulls the ionized air down.the air piles up under the engine creating lift and a vortex.its going to be three to four feet high.

i separared it into to pieces so it is easier to understand.

Quote from: robomont on July 06, 2013, 05:05:19 PM
the coil has a magnetic field that pulls the ionized air down.the air piles up under the engine creating lift and a vortex.

Sorry for the question, but why does it pull the ionized air down and not up? ???

Thanks in advance. :)

PS: sometimes a hand drawing is the best way of explaining things. :)

depending on orientation .in electronics its called the right hand rule.it all depends on whether the spiral is wrapped clockwise or counter clockwise.

one direction will pull down.the other direction will pull up.

Quote from: robomont on July 06, 2013, 05:05:19 PM
(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t522/robomont/2013-07-06104617_zpsc7180320.jpg)the freon jug is for a round smooth surface.there are no moving parts except plasma flowing throughout.
the plasma charges the freon tank causing it to charge the air.the coil has a magnetic field that pulls the ionized air down.the air piles up under the engine creating lift and a vortex.its going to be three to four feet high.

i separared it into to pieces so it is easier to understand.

So, is it in the ground or is above the ground? ???

If it is above the ground, what is it being suspended by or pedestal-ed on?

(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t522/robomont/2013-07-06104840_zps4d4dcbe4.jpg)

Once the magnetic fields of desirability is achieved, how are you harnessing it?

And if you are claiming this device is Radiant receiver (of Sorts), with no moving parts, how are you going to achieve attainable dispersion of said magnetic fields? Are you going to create a board for amplification of EMF or is going to produce this with the acclimation of the Mercury Vapor?

Sorry for so many question's but would like too fully understand the design and why this design would do as you say it would. Curious as it were of how it is all going to come together. ;)

1WW

Quote from: robomont on July 06, 2013, 05:17:52 PM
depending on orientation .in electronics its called the right hand rule.

Oh, I forgot about that, I learned that at school, somewhere in the previous millennium. :)

its not a radient receiver.its a flying saucer engine.it will be mounted on a stand of bricks.it may work as a radient reciever at a later date as the vimanas talk of it being possible.right now im going for lift and the n crash back to earth.just proof of concept that it can lift itself and gain altitude.

Quote from: ArMaP on July 06, 2013, 05:28:51 PM
Oh, I forgot about that, I learned that at school, somewhere in the previous millennium. :)

Distinction between the right-hand and left-hand rule

QuoteFleming's left-hand rule is used for electric motors, while Fleming's right-hand rule is used for electric generators.
Separate hands need to be used for motors and generators because of the differences between cause and effect.
In an electric motor, the electric current and magnet field exist (which are the causes), and they lead to the force that creates the motion (which is the effect), and so the left hand rule is used. In an electric generator, the motion and magnetic field exist (causes), and they lead to the creation of the electric current (effect), and so the right hand rule is used.
For example, many types of electric motors can also be used as electric generators. A vehicle powered by such a motor can be accelerated up to high speed by connecting the motor to a fully charged battery. If the motor is then disconnected from the fully charged battery, and connected instead to a completely flat battery, the vehicle will decelerate. The motor will act as a generator and convert the vehicle's kinetic energy back to electrical energy, which is then stored in the battery. Since neither the direction of motion nor the direction of the magnetic field (inside the motor/generator) has changed, the direction of the electric current in the motor/generator has reversed. This follows from the second law of thermodynamics. The generator current must oppose the motor current, and the stronger current outweighs the other to allow the energy to flow from the more energetic source to the less energetic source.
The rule for motors can be recalled by remembering that "motors drive on the left in Britain". The rule for generators can be recalled by remembering that either the letters "g" and "r" is common to both "right" and "generator", or the phrase "Jenny is always right" ("Genny" being a common shortened version of Generator).

Fleming's left-hand rule for motors (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fleming%27s_left-hand_rule_for_motors#Physical_basis_for_the_rules)

This is where I get a bit confused with in the concept of not having moving parts, not so much the Motor aspect of this theory, but because of and even though there are ambient EMF that is trappable, the generator would be the transference with in field amplification and power supply for acquirable and usable energy source.

Regardless of how the device is structured or materials used, we will always have impedance issues and also conversion issues. With known parameter's with in EMF as a natural entity, and knowing we can trap such energies with designed devices, we will still have to have something that is always going to be mechanical or moving parts for this amplification process, even Scalar technology has shown this to be fact, and the best example I have seen to date that doesn't require a lot of movable parts by way of model through experimentation is 'Vortex Technologies/Mathematics' which allows this power amplification process too take place with in the parameters of materials and applied minimal attracting charge.

1WW

Quote from: robomont on July 06, 2013, 05:41:41 PM
its not a radient receiver.its a flying saucer engine.it will be mounted on a stand of bricks.it may work as a radient reciever at a later date as the vimanas talk of it being possible.right now im going for lift and the n crash back to earth.just proof of concept that it can lift itself and gain altitude.

Well then, you should find this disclaimer very interesting robo:

ElectroGravitic Metal Combination

QuoteMagnesium/Bismuth Layering & Electrogravity

BISMUTH


Bismuth is a white, crystalline, brittle metal with a pinkish tinge. Bismuth is the most diamagnetic of all metals, and the thermal conductivity is lower than any metal, except mercury. It has a high electrical resistance, and has the highest Hall effect of any metal (that is, the greatest increase in electrical resistance when placed in a magnetic field). The metal is used as a thermocouple material (has highest negativity known).

MAGNESIUM
is used in computers for radio-frequency shielding.
ZINC
is used in photocopiers (conducts electricity when illuminated).

QuoteVanguard Sciences comments


Years ago, while studying some old documents from a now defunct UFO group in England, I came across a short comment claiming that one of their members had done experiments with dissimilar metals. He used two disks of the same dimension and thickness but of two different materials, copper and zinc (as I recall, it was many years ago).

The disks were kept very close together and rotated in opposite directions. The claim was they levitated when spun, though the comment did not specify the requirement for high voltage as in the case of the Biefeld/Brown effect.

It was simply rotation of mass which is more consistent with Otis T. Carr, Bruce DePalma and Dr. Harold Aspden with their claims of anomalous inertial or gravitic effects associated with rotating mass.

Speaking of inertia and gravity reduction, an interesting story was told to me at the recent Low Level Energy Conference by Michael Roberts, President of the Association for Push Gravity Research.

One day a few years ago, he got a phone call at his home in Waco. It was from a fellow who had stopped in Waco and wanted to meet Michael at a local mall. Michael drove out there and the man was parked, in his late model Jeep in a remote section of the parking lot. They shook hands and talked a bit.

The man said he would like to show Michael what he had been working on. The Jeep engine was off, the vehicle was put in neutral and was not braked in any way. Michael was asked to push the vehicle. He did so with both hands, meeting an expected amount of resistance before he got it moving.

The man got in and braked the vehicle. He then showed Michael 4 mystery boxes (each about 12" X 6" X 4") mounted in the top of each wheel well of the Jeep. Each box had an electrical cable that led under the hood. Michael was not allowed to see under the hood.

Immediately after the push test, the man got in the Jeep and flicked a toggle switch which had been installed under the dashboard. Michael was then asked to push the Jeep again, this time it moved with the light touch of one hand.

The man would say nothing about the secret to this miracle was accomplished, he just wanted to show Michael that it was possible and there were those who had achieved it. This startling anecdote of course caused me to ask who the guy was, you know phone number, address and such. Michael said he'd misplaced that information but he remembered the Jeep had KANSAS LICENSE PLATES.....

Kind of fits doesn't it since the Wizard of OZ has definite links to Kansas, eh, Dorothy?

In discussing this with my friend Dan Davidson, he suggested the four boxes acted to provide a stabilized buoyancy type field, like pontoons on a boat. The use of only one would deflect the incoming gravity in one localized area, thus creating an imbalance. Whereas one unit over each wheel would equally distribute the deflection around the center of mass of the Jeep. Makes sense to me.

There is fuller details of the interview that had taken Place on C2C with Art Bell, and may be the information for materials that could prove too reveal quite amazing results. ;)

Roswell Elctrogrvatics Material (http://www.keelynet.com/rodbism.htm)

Sorry for all the question's robo, makes more sense seeing you have no energy containment type of implication's, and the above story should get your attention, as it did and has gotten mine over the last few years.

1WW

yes i have read many theories but they are all way to complicated.i prefer kis.its obvious this is what the gods and world govs are using and so this is the method i shall use.freedom or chaos is at hand.
now to get the angels to help.
100$ +- will get you a stake in it.shooting for beginning purchases of materials 4th of next month.basically i need the tubing and mercury.the other stuff i got already.
this invitation of investment goes out to all members.

i have recieved deuems investment.thankyou.plan is coming together.

 http://www.sciencecompany.com/Mercury-Metal-quicksilver-3X-Distilled-12lb-P16388.aspx  (http://www.sciencecompany.com/Mercury-Metal-quicksilver-3X-Distilled-12lb-P16388.aspx)here is where i will buy the mercury from.its 99$ plus about 17$ shipping.

well thor said he wasnt going to invest a hundred.he decided on two hundred.so ive got enough money now to get almost everthing.started an account for the funds .the bank wouldnt let me put pegasus in the title of account so had to start it in my name.no biggy.i will be posting receipts so yall know where the money is being spent.will be adding my money as needed to finish up the final details.will be ordering materials soon.

thankyou thor and deuem for having faith in me and this project.

(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t522/robomont/2013-07-24115004_zps1c46d0fa.jpg)deposit slips

(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t522/robomont/2013-07-24115237_zps6c0b75e3.jpg)receipt for gas for banking stuff and getting thor money.travel expense

(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t522/robomont/2013-07-24115119_zps6922f013.jpg)had to get a visa card to buy online and banker said pick out a style.then i saw this card and went hell yea its a sign.lol.

Quote from: robomont on July 24, 2013, 06:02:16 PM
(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t522/robomont/2013-07-24115119_zps6922f013.jpg)had to get a visa card to buy online and banker said pick out a style.then i saw this card and went hell yea its a sign.lol.

You couldn't find a better style. :)

Unfortunately, I can only give you virtual gold. :(

Yo Puffy:   :P

You need not show receipts all the time.

You might just keep track of them and post a monthly
recap which is fine by all, we think.    8)

Save your valuable time for more important things - like safety precautions.    :P

We trust you and that's that.

Please be careful.    ;)

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 http://web.lemoyne.edu/~giunta/classicalcs/dumas.html  (http://web.lemoyne.edu/~giunta/classicalcs/dumas.html)so i found this formula and i think its relative to the amount of mercury that is needed.basically if i read it right i need 4grams of mercury per liter of volume.

mercury has been purchased and is being shipped.
the main collunm and end plates purchased.
will be ordering coil tubing tomorrow.

will start polishing of all parts to remove sharp points and any corrosion.
hopefully welding will be next week.

I think you have to stick a little peggy sticker on it and at least the 3 names. If we go up in flames sobeit. Off we go into the wild blue yonder. Flying high into the sky... Whhooooo hoooooo! Go Robo!

Quote from: thorfourwinds on July 25, 2013, 02:37:32 AM
Save your valuable time for more important things - like safety precautions.    :P

This time I agree with you, security first. :)

mercury made it in.
just got to get the tubing now.

 http://www.hydraulic-supply.com/html/productline/prodcat/hydraulic-tubing.htm  (http://www.hydraulic-supply.com/html/productline/prodcat/hydraulic-tubing.htm)got tubing ordered i decided to go with       3/4inch low carbon annealed .095 wall thickness tubing.2 pieces.10 ft. lengths

Quote from: deuem on July 26, 2013, 09:24:44 AM
I think you have to stick a little peggy sticker on it and at least the 3 names. If we go up in flames sobeit. Off we go into the wild blue yonder. Flying high into the sky... Whhooooo hoooooo! Go Robo!

ill take a permanent black and doit.if it flies maybe we can get pwm to laser etch it in.
after more research.i dont think it will explode if i get my mercury measurement correct.
im pollishing the steal collumn right now .i got the paint stripped off the top ball/freon tank using brake fluid and a wire brush yesterday.waiting on tubing company to email shipping info monday morn.everthing coming together.so far.lol.
im so excited.for all of us.

Rock on, robo-P!

So looking forward to what You have in the results category!

thanks amy.cheers allways  welcome.

the tubing came in today.that stuff has a heavy wall.gonna take some strength to bend.im gonna see about having an exaust company bending it.i had to buy some sanding disk too pollish up the main collunm.

so anyway .all materials here and will be focussing on assembly in next few days.i will try to take some vid and post if possible of construction.
its on  !!!

update:well ive been coiling the tubing by hand to save money.im using a three way tree stump of different diameters.along with a cheater pipe.i also used my chainsaw to cut a knotch in the center of one stump to make a place for the tubing to set.the piece that will be welded to bottom of main tube.it works good as it leaves jo dings or scratches.
the tubing is so thick.its wearing me out bending it .but should be done with that work in a few days.

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I see you have a helper, it should go faster.  ;)

clemendon.this guy came up with the idea of the thing.theres a bnch of books on it.found some on the living moon sight too.mercury vortex generator.nothing on how well the thing worked.

but we fixing to find out.will attempt to get welded up tomorrow.
about five hours worth of bending them spread over a week.if i had had a comealong and two straps i may have been able to do a more perfect coils but these are pretty darn close.im still thinking of the best place to put a vacuum port and of what metals.i thinking of mounting it on top with a ac freon tap.maybe crimp it before test.i havent decided.i may see if they have steal ones.its more about the heat melting the silver and copper at the tap.maybe a steel tap line that can be crimped and soldered.just thinking out loud.

im saging my notes on here sorta for future reference

You should maybe put the tap line at the bottom, or outer edge of the coil away from the heat, also use 'silver solder' which is much harder to melt.

Just thinking out loud too.

You should meet my older brother, he made a variety of simple metalworking tools like pipe benders etc...

Success, mon Capitain 8)
At least you are doing something, even if you are definitely of the 'tinkerer' variety of inventor (read the green threads in the i.f.) but i commend your commitment & your courage 8)

Go, team Puffy! :D

you gonna dab it with the mig or TIG it Robo?
Hmmm the tap, avoid brass,go for a ball type valve tap. mild steel under that chrome?
thinking about the weld. the heat will melt solder and brazing rods so tig or mig it?

yea i was gonna check silver melting point on wiki.the highest ionization temp of mercury is 100°k below the melting point of steel so i am going to be cautious.i hope i dont have to go to that level.there are three levels of ionization.maybe the first two levels will do it.my only real worry is oxygen in the form of rust on the inside of the main collunm.i hope it doesnt break free of it bond and expand much.i dont know if mercury expands in the ionization/plasma state.i know the volume in the gas state.

I'm not sure if further expansion happens in the ionised state, but the pressure could build up fast, hope you have a 200psi blowout valve lying around.....
Have to sleep now, long day tomorrow...
Later, guys n gals 8)

I remember using silver solder (is that right word?), and if I did it means the melting point is not that high, as I never used any special equipment, just one of those cheap, hand-held torches with a small gas can. :)

thanks pwm.

silver is about half of steels temp.those cheap torch tips put alot of heat on one spot.gonna ask around tomorrow.

Quote from: ArMaP on August 12, 2013, 11:39:16 PM
I remember using silver solder (is that right word?), and if I did it means the melting point is not that high, as I never used any special equipment, just one of those cheap, hand-held torches with a small gas can. :)

yes ArMaP that is correct, there are different types though for instance the stuff used in jewelry
making is pretty low temp as opposed to the more industrial type.
may as well brass braze it. if it's not going to get that hot,just to be on the safe side.

Hey Robo
The hardest grade of silver solder melts at about 1423 degrees f
Bless
Back

Quote from: Back on August 12, 2013, 11:49:23 PM
Hey Robo
The hardest grade of silver solder melts at about 1423 degrees f
Bless
Back

Yep that's the one, have to heat steel to cherry red to melt it, it sticks just about any metals together, like brass onto steel etc.
Very useful ;)

hmm?
well heres what i thought of.steel brake line.soldered to colunm .then copper soldered to steel.vacuum pulled then heat steel line and hammer flat while hot .thus welding / forging sealed.then cut off copper connection.i will not be done this friday so dont get hopes up just yet.but will be very close.

(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t522/robomont/2013-08-16165538_zps8f77a020.jpg)got it started today.got the coil welded onto the colunm

Hey not bad :D

A double helix of dissimilar metals?

I'm intruiged... ::)..... ???

ETA; Gold for effort.
It does look like an egg whisk though...
Is that intentional?

Go team Puffy :)

In radio terms, those 2-turn coils represent quite a high frequency..........

thanks pwm.i left one coil out in the acid rain and it turned it that color.was tired and woke up to rain.once i got outside it was almost camo.
yea im kinda worried about shutting down electronics with it.i dont want to piss off the neighbors.
the coil isnt perfectly funnel shaped but there is at least a half inch spacing between each wrap.i welded the tubes in place and then played tug of war to get them more evenly spaced.

i still think its within design parameters.lol.

i also plan to polish and clean up the welds.its kinda raw.i wanted to gets a pic up so folks could see progress.lord willing tomorrow morn i will put the end caps on and tank/ball .
partner may give me some steel brakeline to weld to collumn on top under ball.i will pull vacuum with it.then slide ball down over collunm.hopefully snug fit.

pwm.could you go into the high frequency comment in more detail as that is not my field of knowledge.effects?

(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t522/robomont/2013-08-17135815_zps2407f1ed.jpg)finished product looks like this.will finishing vac line in next few days.it will go under tank.

Congratulations esteemed member RoboPuf !

We want to be at Ground Zero for liftoff.

If you have somewhat of a timeline, we can arrange to be there to provide photographic evidence of the crater magnificent experiment.

Perhaps we can also provide a modicum of security and second-guess the safety precautions.   :P

Quotei still think its within design parameters.lol.

???    :o    ::)    :P

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ill give yall notice.if your in the area or want to be here.my worry is the  electronics on my phone may shut off or burn out and i want be able to get video.what im thinking is film up close then walk way back then fire thing up.that way maybe andoid can still see it but not be near enuf for it to effect the camera.
neighbor w shop is going to get fitting in next few days for vac.tap.
then it will be welded .then i have to con ac guy down the road to pull a vacuum on it for me.then it should be ready.there is still a 5% chance it dont do anything .it may just be 800$ piece of junk.but we will learn together.

Quote from: robomont on August 17, 2013, 08:58:52 PM
ill give yall notice.if your in the area or want to be here.

Or for those that may want to be as far as possible.  :P

Quotemy worry is the  electronics on my phone may shut off or burn out and i want be able to get video.

Can't you make some kind of shield for the phone? Or that's not possible?

ROBO that is really impressive.
nice job,good luck with "the experiment" or "The Event"

peeps needed @ robo's test site to man the cameras, I need to see this!

basically it will be a strange looking mercury vapor lamp.but it will ionize the iron.so if there is light .it will probably be in the frequencies of iron.going to go look that up now.

I would LOVE to be there!

Nice looking apparatus You have so far.  VERY handsome!

thankyou amy.

the light that will be emitted will be 47nm which is in the extreme ultra violet.so it should ionize real well.talk about sunburn.i bought some new safety sun glasses for the test.just in case.

 http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090430180400AAmxdKE  (http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090430180400AAmxdKE)found this link to a mercury vapor math formula.looks like i will need less than 5 grams.

completed !!!!!
got leaks fixed.there were leaks at every weld.at every connection.after measuring volume there was a little less than three liter total.the weight of the thing is 30.6 lbs.
the amount of mercury it will take is about the size of two bbs.as in bb gun bbs.we are not going to post test location but thor fourwinds will be here to witness test on thursday 28 of august 2013.

any ideas on test will be appreciated.thankyou team pegasus.

Actually, 29 August 2013 is a Thursday... and Katrina anniversary.

We cannot make it this week due to a $1,600 job postponed for a few weeks.   :P

That was not only Amy's rent, but our trip expenses.  :(

Perhaps we can create more work this week and come next week.

If we wait a week, it may free up Seeker and Amy to join the event.

Thor

Well, though I know You're eager, robo, to get this rolling, I'm rooting for a week's delay if it means I can be there!

a delay would be fine.im beat.plus the third of every month is my grocery day.plus i got to buy a car next early week.i may just climb on top it and fly to georgia.lol

That works for Me.  [smile]

robo -

One suggestion I have - do you have a pillbox for viewing and a remote switch for ignition?


"Hope for the best, prepare for the worst"

re: welds and leaks


In looking at your prototype unit pics, I was struck by the idea of how nice it would be to have a 3D printer create one with the alloys of your choice, thus a one piece unit with zero welds!  8)

Much like the construction method of the sports model.

(Another member mentioned this earlier.)


A prudent choice when constructing units to house a constant matter/anti- matter explosion for power production.


And here's a virtual bottle of champagne to christen the maiden voyage!  8)


All the best,

A51

a51.i love your idea but the main rule is it has to be made of iron.then the model could be perfected.i dont want to get my hopes up just yet until testing.
you guys dont need to be so paranoid over safety.it will be safe.otherwise a nuclear bunker wouldnt satify some folks.life is about risk.
lets say eventually we got an engine working and a craft built.would we deny testing because of rules and faa.i say we have to make our own decisisions.otherwise we are just texters.
plus we are flying on a shoe string budget.but i agree.a resonable amount of safety should be the norm.

(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t522/robomont/2013-08-27133341_zpsa82be90b.jpg)just posting some pics to fill in the blanks

(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t522/robomont/2013-08-27130632_zpsff95cc0f.jpg)the paper holding the mercury is 1.3 grams for a total of 2.1 grams of mercury for a 3.1 liter volume.

(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t522/robomont/mercury_propulsion_zpsdc078594.jpg)i found this image at ovaltech.really cool website.

Quoteyou guys dont need to be so paranoid over safety.it will be safe.otherwise a nuclear bunker wouldnt satify some folks.life is about risk.

One of our projects was tried before, apparently it vapourised a roomful of people & they simply filled in the bunker with concrete & forgot about it...so safety is a big issue, always.

Quotelets say eventually we got an engine working and a craft built.would we deny testing because of rules and faa.i say we have to make our own decisisions.otherwise we are just texters.

Yes.

Quoteplus we are flying on a shoe string budget.but i agree.a resonable amount of safety should be the norm.

There you have it, it's quite simple, you do a 'risk assesment' involving a worst-case scenario, and work from there.

If pressure is a problem (which it is) then you need a blow-off valve that will blow (or even better, vent into a tank which is vented via a filter to the outside) to re-capture the mercury.

Such valves are not cheap, but can easily be made with a thick tube, a ball bearing & a spring which has a bolt behind it to adjust release pressure.

Vents through a hole in the side of the tube....pics will be posted if you need them.....

pwm.thankyou for the insight .brilliant idea for a vent but how can that vent also hold a vacuum.nobody yet has proved to me it will be under pressure.how does a mercury vapor bulb not explode?

on temporary shutdown due to county burn ban.so no final test until we get rain here in titus county texas.

Sure, of course it will hold a vacuum, you can even double seal it by using another ball bearing in the outside tube, as long as it blows before the tube does ::)

Here's an industrial one, you can see the general layout;

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/inventors_group/images/ODD/Dumpvalve.jpg)

ETA; You can test it with steam or compressed air ;) and a high pressure guage like a hydraulic one, preferably with a long pipe filled with hydro fluid so you don't fry the guage, LOL

i did an early prelim test and the top wasnt even hot.the coils cool it very well.but still nobody can prove its under pressure.

 http://www.lamptech.co.uk/Documents/M1%20Introduction.htm  (http://www.lamptech.co.uk/Documents/M1%20Introduction.htm)this link explains that a mercury lamp has to be under a vacuum of 25-50torr.which is approximately 25-50millimeters of mercury.which is the max of my vacuum pump.

Apparently vaccuum pumps can be operated in series for more vaccum...

Surplus fridge pumps are reputed to be quite useful.

FB.

did not know that about series.i knew about the frig compressors.gold for the advice fruitbat.

Is a bit like sticking batteries in series to up the voltage.
The limiting factor I think is the sealing and casing strength of the nearest pump to what you are evacuating.

FB.

Oh yes, they work both ways just as well, the vac side is very powerful, mine should get down to less than 24" (mercury) just hope it's enough.

Run them in series should be OK but i suspect the second one may overheat, they mostly have thermal trips in them.

Of course if you cool it with a fan & spray some water on it, it should keep running ;)

Big freezer comps are even stronger than fridge ones 8)

i had to go look at my gauges.the vac pump i have pulls down 25 inches of mercury not 25millimeters so i should have no problem pulling it down to correct vacuum pressure.

Robo,

Listening to you plan and execute this, is magnificent.

There are so many people who spend their time slack jawed when they aren't working these days.

Good on you mate!

Fruitbat.

Hey All

PWM
If you think that a Pop off is needed I have a new one that is set to 40 psi. I could send it it to Robo no problem.
Safty first ;)
Bless
Back

Sure, that would be well within the range of the welded pipes etc.

I guess you should ask Robo if he needs it? it may need to be higher than that because even a standard flange can take 150 psi...
have to go, carry on guys D)

not worried.schrader valve will blow before then.i gonna happen though.gonna be monitoring the pressure .the top wasnt very hot last time due to the coils cooling it.kinda surprised me.there is 18 linear feet of coil so it dissipates heat very well.thats why i helieve i have to add more than what a hickory log can put off.planning on using propane torch next.waiting for burn ban to lift.didnt vid last time but will this time.it has to be heated for at least seven minutes for plasma to activate.it will only acivate at 25-50 torr/mm mercury .so i need to make sure the vapor pressure is correct.plus i should get the proper uv production.if not in this range then uv will drop off in strength.its the uv that ionizes the iron.this uv plasma also creates the magnetic field or ac resonant field.as pwm and ovaltech suggest.

Hey Robo
Just let me know I have a few others that I could send you.
Bless
Back

Will check the ratings in the morning as to what I have

if its iron and has a decent surface to weld to i may hit you up.

Hey Robo
The Pop off that I have is red brass and threaded. I know I have a 40 psi and i think that I have a 70 psi but still looking for it.
Bless
Back

gonna wait.for now.

You need to cap the schader valve (it has a thread on the outside, right?) and use teflon tape on the cap, that will increase it's pressure rating, only it means you wont be able to run the vac pump all the time.

If your welds etc are good, then it should hold a good vacuum for years :D

Also that's the best way to check for leaks, expect a small drop in the first few hours due to gas migrating out of the steel, but after that it should remain stable indefinitely. If its at or near 1 Atm. after 12 hours then it is leaking.

Then you will need to pump air INTO it to 10PSI or so, and use soap suds to find the leak.
Hell i don't need to tell you all of this.... ::)

Hey Robo, this is Deuem Chimming in.. I am almost back to normal. Give me another week or so...
Did you try it yey?

Deuem

Well i did a partial test today.i piled a bunch of wood around the base and put ten grams of mercury in it.i had a vacuum on it and pressure guage on it.it never leaked and never built up any pressure.i let air back into it and tried to get it to build up pressure and it never did.the coil is dissipating the heat too quickly.i still plan to put a torch to it at bottom but im beginning to think its not going to work.if it does it will have to be cherry red at bottom.
I think it will be like boiling water in a plastic bottle.the steel wont melt but its going to have to get very hot.
An oak fire just isnt even going to bring it up to temp.

That coil is too efficient.lol.

I may be saying something very, very wrong, but what if the coil was covered, so the heat does not dissipate as fast?  :)

Robo at what temperature does mercury turn to vapour? Is it less than what the steel container will melt at?

The use of the rose bud and gas is needed maybe oxy/acet? Or what about an electric hot plate like one of those portable cookers? They get red hot.

Anyhow good to see you had a go. Very cool. Gold for effort.
Keep us posted.

Im kinda considering it.

Having a hard time getting a torch right now.mercury vaporizes and turns to plasma below steels melting point.

Thanks mate, hey there's no rush is there.
I found that out myself with the stubblefield coil.

Thought I would have that licked in a week, boy was I wrong but that's not what matters is it.
Cheers.

Quote from: robomont on November 10, 2013, 06:15:39 PM
mercury vaporizes and turns to plasma below steels melting point.

Do you have any way of measuring the temperature of the mercury or of the air inside the container?

GUYS, Thank you, It makes me feel much better that my own project seems to be taking ages. :c)

IF the UK guys want a high voltage probe search ebay for HVP-40 there's one for fifteen quid.
If someone else doesn't pick it up soon, I'll have it for my second scope. They are usually 50 upwards.

Here's the link:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Testec-HVP-40-Probe-Multi-Metre-High-Volt-/141090348623?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Test_Measurement_Equipment_ET&hash=item20d9a3de4f

FB.

high voltage probeooooh kinky ;D hehe.

Nah I don't do pressure fruitbat me 'old chum ;) things get done eventually.
The worst thing you can do is put a deadline on a project!

It just takes all the fun out of it and mistakes get made.

No way to take temp inside vessel.

Quote from: robomont on November 11, 2013, 12:50:54 AM
No way to take temp inside vessel.

Is it possible that the heat is being dissipated by the container's wall and not enough reaches the mercury?

Quote from: robomont on November 11, 2013, 12:50:54 AM
No way to take temp inside vessel.

Sure you can, you just use a standard 'PT100' thermocouple probe, in this case one covering 500C or whatever that is in Farenheit: I'm not going to do ALL the groundwork for you :P but these probes are equal to 10mV= 1deg.C or something like that, so you can read them directly with a multimeter ;)

Just a quick line to thank Luke for the 'Electronics for dummies' thread.

Just what the Doctor ordered - for me :)

..About time i went public with it... ::)
Some kool updates coming soon, promise ;)

Quote from: ArMaP on November 10, 2013, 08:07:44 PM
Do you have any way of measuring the temperature of the mercury or of the air inside the container?

You do if it boils.  That would make it 357 °C less a little depending on the pressure.  I'd expect it to explode but I haven't followed the entire thread.

Is there some reason why the engineers here think the thing won't blow?

Stick a blow out plug in it less than the strenght of the steel. Worst you will get is a flat tire.
I would not start with a full tube of mercury. Keep adding it until you get your results or the plug blows and work it from there. In the states we like to break it till it works.

Weld a chain to that plug otherwise it could become a bullet. Don't face the plug in your dirrection when testing. Keep the weak part away from you.

Go Robo Go.........It will either fly or go pop. Record the heat in and the amount of mercury inside. If it blows then empty 100% and start again.

A quick test of this might be to get a regular gas stove with a high heat round burner. Take a circle of tube that is the same size as the center line of the flame and place it above the flame. It will do 3 things.

1) nothing but get hot.  Not enough heat or mercury
2) Blow out the plug(s)
3) Fly away

Deuem

IF you are going to have pressurised mercury vapour flying about, then I'd seriously counsel some Proper Planning before you fire that bad boy up, around the issue of not breathing it in.

FB.

Quote from: Fruitbat on November 16, 2013, 03:40:42 AM
IF you are going to have pressurised mercury vapour flying about, then I'd seriously counsel some Proper Planning before you fire that bad boy up, around the issue of not breathing it in.

FB.

Say it did blow up, how long would it take for the mercury to cool down and fall like rain.

maybe one of those tall refrig boxes could contain it and also let it fly at least a few feet. trip wire the gas to turn off if there is no weight. At least it is contained or you will have even a bigger fire. Either way it could be fun. I would then wrap the bottom foot or so with sheet metal between you and it or an old matress. anything to hold the chunks of steel or blobs of mercury coming your way.

This is like the fifth time ive stated on this thread.its not under pressure.its got a vacuum pulled on it.you guys should really read the thread.this last time i heated it up.it didnt even get hot on top.

Quote from: robomont on November 16, 2013, 06:34:33 AM
This is like the fifth time ive stated on this thread.its not under pressure.its got a vacuum pulled on it.you guys should really read the thread.this last time i heated it up.it didnt even get hot on top.

Yea, I got that part before Robo, So no air inside, just mercury. At some point in time it should float away or get hot or burst. At some point if there is enough Mercury inside I would thnk it would expand to fill the tube. If there was more than just that it would expand and create presure. Where are you in the ratio?  Deuem

I had two grams of mercury inside.no pressure formed under a 600+-F° temp.so i put like an ounce in it.still no pressure.so im going to buy torches next month.those small blue bottle type and get it to red hot.if it builds pressure then i will vent excess into water to condense mercury back to liquid.then i will pull a small vacuum at max temp of torches.so far the mercury vapor is pulling the heat away so fast through the coil that no pressure is forming . i can actually pick the unit up by grabbing it by hand.by grasping it at top.thats how i removed it from fire the other day.i have welding gloves but they are not necessary as the thing is barely warm on top.i havent given up completely on it but im beginning to lose a little hope.if you look at it and compare to design we were talking about on your other thread.there are alot of similarities.a magnetic field being pinched and oscilated.

It looks like the coil is helping dissipate all the heat.

Yes it will, but as Robo says it starts with a vacuum.
I did some rough calcs at the start of this thread, the mercury will expand some 15,000 times it's liquid volume when vaporised, i don't think the pressure will be very high, maybe 50 PSI at the most, easily contained, especially if you cap the schraeder valve after pulling the vacuum.

As to what happens when you fire it up, is anybodys guess ::)

You only have to monitor 2 things, pressure & temperature, they are directly proportional, so if you raise the temp the pressure goes up with it.

Mercury vapour is highly poisonous, so be sure to stay upwind during trials ;)

 http://static.photobucket.com/player.swf?file=http://vid1312.photobucket.com/albums/t522/robomont/video-2013-11-10-07-07-52_zpsad8c1aad.mp4  (http://static.photobucket.com/player.swf?file=http://vid1312.photobucket.com/albums/t522/robomont/video-2013-11-10-07-07-52_zpsad8c1aad.mp4)it never did gain pressure.it stayed in a vacuum as the bottom of pipe got cherry red.gave up at that point.

Did the mercury go red?  Ooooh, you alchemist you.  8)

Mercury will expand about 14,000 times at the vapour point.

We figured a maximum of 500g for the area of Robo's chamber.

So we can go a whole lot further before it gets dangerous, IMO.

Of course, troops on the ground should be WELL informed, & have an escape route (Upwind) laid out, just in case.

Go fer it, Robopuff 8)

Quote from: PlaysWithMachines on February 28, 2014, 11:32:38 PM
Mercury will expand about 14,000 times at the vapour point.

But you need to heat in an oxygen free environment by the sound of things.  The Mercury has become mercury oxide presumably (mercury oxide is red I think).  Oxides have a much higher BP normally and therefore will not vaporise at lower temps.

Well, we started with a vacuum, and O2 being only 4% or so, it should not have been a problem.
Of course, you can extract a lot of moisture (and O2) just by heating it{the metal}.... ::)

Maybe a dry run first, then pull the vacuum, then insert the mercury, and then heat it.....
Luke

Really ?the mercury turned red? not.
The steel pipe that is the container turned red.i even added way more mercury.like an ounce.and still no pressure.stayed in a vacuum the whole time.

Reading an article last night.it stated that mercury plasma actually has the lowest rf output at plasma state.compared to all other plasmas .thought that was strange.

The old mercury vapuor lamps gave off a very intense white light....

Yes it's a strange substance, the only liquid metal we have, it's got to be good for something better than lighting, LOL

The TR3-b plans say it's at very high pressure, but hey, any plasma is highly inductive & conductive.
They must have been using (if they did) mercury because of it's high density.

A lot of mass, spinning....hmmm....

Probably that rf deal i mentioned.

You me and elvis ? had a talk back a few months ago.you said magnetic confinement.thats what the pressure is.mercury is great plasma for the job intended.accelerating it plobably brings up some real high voltages .a collector on the rear and one on the nose.inside the plasma tube.maybe billions of volts.who knows about the current output.
The mag drive circuit in it is probably the power sucker .the accelerator coils.

Perhaps two circular tube runs, full of counter-rotating high density medium with a side of liquid nitrogen for cooling into the super-conductor range...


seeker

Right, i remember.
Only Elvis is not in the I.G. :D
must have been one of us...

Yes i have learned from the Transfusor project that incredible amounts of current can flow in a plasma, millions of amps.
And we know that 'current' or electron movement, is what creates a mag field.

'pressure' is arbitrary, originally in a (near) vacuum, once it gets compressed in the middle of the tube, pressure in the middle can easily exceed 1000's of PSI, and still exert no pressure on the tube wall.

Hope that explains it, as you know we are all flying rather blind at this point until we get some test models running.

Carry on, brave tinkerers ;D

Sorry Seeker, i seem to have run over your post, here it is again ;)

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Quote from: robomont on March 01, 2014, 02:01:35 AM
Really ?the mercury turned red? not

Misread your post.  YOu didn't say what was red so I thought you meant the mercury.

Yep .red hot on bottom and at top was cool to touch.gotta get a torch i guess.more heat maybe.
My focus is on the pwm saucer project and lifter stuff right now.gonna try a different magnetic setup with high voltage.

Here's a novel way to generate mercury rotation.  Looks similar to a Faraday motor with a magnet and a little current.  I like the fact there are no moving parts. 

Tell me if I am wrong, but conversely, wouldn't rotation of the mercury in a magnetic field generate current, just like a Faraday generator? 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHxObPs4opA

Cosmo

Exactly, no moving parts, like all the best machines :)

A plasma is a perfect conductor, think of a ring of plasma as a single-turn transformer carrying 10,000 amps at 1000 volts.
Yes, 10 Giga Watts, and you will be sitting in the middle of it :o

These are the kinds of energies I felt when I saw a craft.  Massive charges caused by a powerful EM field is what I remember as we got nearer.

Sure, such a really high density field would be felt i'm sure of it.

I will gladly be the guinea-pig in this case, i'm kind of used to fields around me & i seem quite insensitive to them, i am thinking that a LF oscillation near the brain's Alpha waves would be very definitely 'felt' in some way.

We may need some faraday-type shielding on the inner side of the ring, i hope not as it is extra weight.. ::)
:D

oops sorry wrong thread, hard to keep track these days... ;)

No, we are not designing a saucer... LOL ::)

I have had an idea regarding that.  Why not have 2 or even 3 rings so that the craft does not need to be inside the ring?  3 would be your old fashioned triangle craft interestingly enough. :)

Well i still think that in the centre of the field would be safest especially with regards to inertia issues, but hey i hate triangles.

Why build a HV device like a Lifter, and then give it 3 sharp points?
That's why i designed a round one, LOL

Agreed.if your after corona.the more current.the more corona.the more corona the more wind.as long as the negative radius is bigger than the positive radius .as far as hv goes.a sharp point just takes the least amount of current and voltage to get started.lifter designs perpetuate alot of myths.to confuse the masses.

On the mercury issue.we are striving for it as a plasma.mercury in its solid form will not get the results were looking for.or as its called a mercury arc lamp.its the ionization at hv that will make for high performance.easily reaching voltages that are very difficult to build by other means due to the weight.ie hv transformer to hv diodes.close to a thousand lbs.and barely any current.
This ring could have multi voltage taps off of it.to stagger outputs.because its so difficult to create multiple voltages dc and keep the weight down.whereas this plasma tube can do that for way less weight.

Well as you know, i am persuing several 'plasma' & 'field' issues right now, in the I.G. area, but i will say this;

Keep doing what you are doing, we will of course offer all our help to this and any other project that peeps want to try out, i am all for that.

If it fails, it fails, and we have all seen it...

If a success,well, i guess it will go 'black'......LOL

Oops, sorry guys.... ;D

ETA: in fact just look around you, any project that actually made it, went & dissappeared! :P LOL

I may be saying a huge nonsense (I don't even know if that sentence makes sense, I know how to say in Portuguese but I can't think of a good translation), but what if we had the electric part of a mercury vapour lamp inside the tube, to use as a "starter"?

Yes armap.it would need something like that.

My next plan is to cut the top off the apparatus and install a insulator plug with a point for a charge collector.some kind of ceramic that threads in that has a hole for a wire point.
Any ideas.basically a insulator that will also seal.im guessing a rubber stopper may work since its in a vacuum and the heat is not getting to the top.i think i have one of those.hmm?

How about a spark plug with the 'earth' electrode cut off?

I'm thinking if you did that at each end (or even one end if the other end is 'earth') and you would have a circuit.
Simple enough for the ancients to have built ;)

ETA; use a platinum electrode type plug, platinum should not react with the mercury....

Good idea.i may try but i wonder if the voltage will be to low due to spark gap even though the tab is broke off.
Otherwise great idea.better than mine.

We try to please ;D

Industrial ovens use something similar but then 10" long, i'm sure i stole borrowed a few, i will have to dig deep in my piles of junk LOL

If you read the first of the thread.i stated i would send z some change off this project.well i spent it all on the project .
And more.
But because i believe in the cause.i was able to scrounge up enough to send him 20$ today.
I had said i would offer or scrap the project and send proceeds to z.
But i plan to upgrade this experiment and try again.as per prior discussion on here.
Thankyou zorgon for holding the ship steady.

Robo,
Every move forward is a complete success.
Gold for you.

Thankyou elvis.

(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t522/robomont/2014-04-03235114_zpsfe134f3d.jpg)this is a rubber freeze plug.this will be the new top.as a plug.to hold vacuum .and as a insulator for the positive electrode.

(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t522/robomont/2014-04-03235203_zps872ee520.jpg)this is a dodge door hinge repair kit.the pin will be my electrode.

(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t522/robomont/2014-04-03235346_zps0eea4d30.jpg)this is the parts i will be using.after unpackaging.

@robomont kudos for the effort BUT you should know, mercury vapour under hv emitts harmful radiation and is extremely detrimental to any life form in proximity as observed by nazi scientist.
you mention vimanas as a blueprint for you experiment, but vimanas did not use spiraling tubes, but a toroid tube filled with mercury above the strong electromagnet ring, opposing interaction of these fields produced upwards lift.
you also mention multiple times you need to "drag the air down" to produce lift, but that's ion-wind effect and you don't want ion-wind if you are creating field propulsion drive like mercury vortex drive is.
the point is you DON'T NEED MERCURY AT ALL. check my thread i posted about another approach to building such craft.

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=6672.0 (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=6672.0)

Hello and welcome Vril :D
Hey that's an interesting concept, and there is a lot to discuss here.

Robo knows what he's doing (i think :) ) but we are indeed studying several drive systems, but behind closed doors.
There are as many ways to travel through space as there are of generating electricity.
Yes rotating fields are the key element, but there is so much more, many of us have our own pet projects & we try to assist (or offer kind criticisms) to help each other out.
You will find us very open & formal here, although of course like any forum there are differing viewpoints, but it makes for lively discussions at times :D

I would like to you to join the Inventor's Group, where your project can be posted, discussed, added to even 8) we have several projects running that you will enjoy very much :D
Formal invitation is on it's way 8)
Robo, please go easy on him, he's made a damned good first post here, we need more peeps with the guts to post their ideas like that :)
Later!

thank you PWM, i'd like to hear more details about these projects you mentioned. i made my post a new thread, if anyone would care to experiment with the design.

Lol. I'll try. Thank you pwm for your kindness.I've had a bad tooth I believe that has made me so impatient lately.

Yes the radiation is UV and soft xray.no biggie I'm not near the thing if itgets fired up.so far I don't have ignition.
Once I find my hacksaw I will be making the changes.
If that doesn't work then I plan to use my flyback coil to get ignition.
I think that once I get ignition,I can sustain it on heat supply alone.but dont know yet.
Will be checking out your design.
I may come off harsh but I will try my best not to.its more my limited vocabulary and culture.

Vril-va:
Thank YOU for being so open & honest.
I spent years on YooToob only to get into pointless arguments with 'debunkers', and realised it was using up valuable time. Here we discuss the pro's & cons of the concept, and do experiments to prove or disprove it. All very scientific :)
We post & chat in the forum, & now & then we throw stuff out on the public forum to get peeps like yourself interested.
This concept is certainly do-able or at least can be 'bench-tested' as we do with a lot of theories.
See ya on the other side ;D

Oh, hi Robo, hey this one's your baby & as always we all help each other out.
That's what sets us apart from the rest, we can all reason, this place is a real 'brain magnet' LOL but yes we have to be not only our own worst critics but it helps to explain to others "yes well we tried that already" & after that it goes into the trash bin or becomes a project
Hey we have enough work to go round :D

-PWM-

http://www.whiteman.af.mil/units/509thmissionsupportgroup/index.asp (http://www.whiteman.af.mil/units/509thmissionsupportgroup/index.asp)
Go to bottom of page and look at center of security forces badge.looks alot like a caducious coil with charge coming off it.couldnt copy image.

thankyou thor,gold for you.

got the top cut off and old mercury disposed of.
gonna grind the top a little bit to make it level and smooth.
i am gonna try to use the flyback as a starter and if that doesnt work then im going with a mercury vapor lamp starter like armap was talking about.

washed my hands with soap and water after cleanup.safety first second and third.

so the gov was so scared of mercury vapor starter technology,not only did they ban the bulbs,they banned the starters too.
when i did a search for starters,i found a very few plus lots of info on the ban.

i can use other tech to get the job done.

ive currently decided to use silicone sealent to make a plug along with a sheet of new fiberglass to make coated with silicone to make a sort of condom for isolating the top tank from the bottom coil.this should isolate the two pieces and create a pollarity between both pieces.i may install the vacuum tip next to the top electrode.

then i can pull the vacuum on the coil.remove vacuum hose and install tank top.

next i will need to build a starter if the unit doesnt fire up on its own ,from atmospheric charge buildup.

Hey Robo,
Hows it goin man?
good to see you back on ;)
Elvis.

(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t522/robomont/Screenshot_2014-07-13-06-17-27_zpsg5blfhr2.png)
this was my first design,yea drawing is crappy.

(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t522/robomont/Screenshot_2014-07-13-06-15-06_zpsaspfyf7r.png)
this is the new design.notice the yellow.thats the insulator .
it will isolate positive charges from negative charges.the green thing is the hv probe that makes contact with the top tank and charges it positive.notice how it doesnt touch the purple /iron tube.there is about 3/4 of an inch spacing from the sides.

also more good news.i was at a pawn shop and found a tazer with a two inch gap.
for 25$ !!!
i will be buying it and using it as my mercury vapor starter.it should have plenty of voltage.all i should have to do is solder a long metal probe onto one point of it.that way i can just walk up and touch it to unit to get it to fire up.kinda like starting a heart."clear,zap"

also,i forgot to add in the drawing,hv insulation between the the blue and purple to prevent arcing.this should totally isolate positive from negative.

As for myself, unlike yourself Robo, I have no need to say anything ....   :)

Except.... time exposes everything ....   :)

i get some of my motivation from myself but i also get alot from the faith my investors put in me.thankyou tfw.that goes for you too deuem.and all the peggy members.

(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t522/robomont/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20140715_040245_zps3wsbj3dl.jpg)
these are the new materials that im using for insulator.acrylic caulk with silicone,bondo brand fiberglass mat,clear packing tape.

(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t522/robomont/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20140715_040120_zpsb7qtk2vm.jpg)

this is the upgrade,the top was cut off,the silcone was put around inside edge and rubber engine block plug installed,silicone was allowed to set up.
next i wrapped the fiber glass over the top and then around edges.the square corners and edges were caulked down.after thirty minutes,i wrapped it with clear packing tape.

i tested the resistence to make sure pin was isolated from iron tube.on 200k setting ,no reading.
then i checked capacitance,no reading.
then i checked for voltage in a 70% humidity room and got 1 volt dc.i believe this was charge buildup from the capacitance test,as the voltage showed one volt and quickly dropped to zero.
i intend to bake the unit in the sun to cure the silicone completely ,before testing.

i will be making a hole next to the pin for a vacuum tap.this hole will be in the rubber plug.
next i plan to expand  the inner diameter of the tank top,to fit the new insulated iron pipe end.

(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t522/robomont/Mobile%20Uploads/Screenshot_2014-07-15-04-34-59_zpsvakpchbg.png)

new drawing showing insulation around pipe ,showing pin/probe touching tank/top but being insulated from iron pipe.

Robo,
Sounds like a mercury vapor bulb!

(http://content.answcdn.com/main/content/img/McGrawHill/Encyclopedia/images/CE416000FG0010.gif)

Cosmo

it basically is,with a magnetic field and iron instead of glass,plus no uv coating.

(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t522/robomont/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20140715_123409_zpsrvbmf6jk.jpg)got taser at pawn store for plasma starter,jood them down to $17.50/no tax :D

so I had a very difficult time getting old caulk to dry.so I'm buying some real silicone hopefully Saturday,when I get paid for a job I did.I had problems with rubber plug not wanting to stay in place.even with tape wrapped around it.I got it in now and stationary.if this dou sent work then I'll work out something different.
I went ahead and put mercury,two grams in it.I've got it sitting in the sun and intend to  insert Schrader valve in it at peek of heat today.then put on top and see if I get any ambient charge buildup.this would be a good sign.

just an update,new test date saturday .as will have finances then.
tested stun gun between probe and pipe .i also have a schrader valve between probe and pipe,in rubber grommet.when i sparked it,the charge jumped to scrader and then to pipe.so insulation is good.plus if voltage gets too high,it will short out.one centimeter spark is all i expect unit to create.about 10,000 volts dc.if the voltage is created but not high enough.i think i will go with even larger pipe and plug.

i got the gear together today and did another test.so before i pulled a vacuum,i tased it and check for arc.taser arc jumped from probe to schrader valve to pipe edge.then i through a fire under it of oak.started pulling vacuum.at one

at one inch of mercury i tased again,spark still jumped as last time.heat from fire was not real hot and top was warm.pulled vacuum down to 10 ,still sparking on top.at twenty inches the spark now conducted through vacuum of machine.that was a good sign.but it was not putting off a charge on machine.then my rubber plug sucked in at 23 inches.experiment ended.

i think i need more heat as pipe never even got red.
i may need more mercury in vessel but will wait until i have new top.
tomorrow i will go to lowes and buy clear silcone from dow.i will make an entire plug /cap with a large lip from this silicone.i will install probe and scrader valve in this cap and try more heat.if it doesnt fire up in red heat stage with torch.then i will add more mercury.

update,after talking with friend with torch.im goingvwith a pvc cap with silicone to seal it.then  drill holes and silicone in probe and schrader valve.i may use a coupling with a threaded plug.
for a torch.im going to use a propane torch type setup.this is cheaper than oxy acetyline .and i hope has the heat i need.

(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t522/robomont/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20140731_144434_zpsjmkgcrcc.jpg)probe saw some action.there was three of these weld spots on it.so this shows potential.in a vacuum.which it should but you just never know for sure when you cant see it.this was caused by the taser shorting.it also shows that taser polarity was wrong way,oops,my bad.
just got new clear silcone type stuff and a collar and easily threaded plug.pvc products.

Quote from: robomont on July 31, 2014, 08:53:14 PM
   http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t522/robomont/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20140731_144434_zpsjmkgcrcc.jpg   (http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t522/robomont/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20140731_144434_zpsjmkgcrcc.jpg)probe saw some action.there was three of these weld spots on it.so this shows potential.in a vacuum.which it should but you just never know for sure when you cant see it.this was caused by the taser shorting.it also shows that taser polarity was wrong way,oops,my bad.
just got new clear silcone type stuff and a collar and easily threaded plug.pvc products.

Ouch, hey, dont tase me bro!LOL!

Good luck this weekend Robo!

Le

(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t522/robomont/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20140731_151647_zpsrlj0ist2.jpg)the new cap and probe assembly.
thanks le.

(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t522/robomont/IMG_20140802_131640_zpsvhib0n8w.jpg)new image of top,pulled vacuum all night,mercury droplets accumulated around inside neck of machine like condensate.i went agead and added about ten more droplets and pulled vacuum again.i was shocked that mercury didnt evaporate during vacuum.anyways.i got map gas bottle and torch.i will be testing again here in a few moments.this time with a real torch and not firewood.

ok,just tested.no voltage .i did have something strange.when torch was running.i got my compass out to check for magnetic field.when running.it showed a direct pull against the collumn of south pole.after the torch was turned off,a direct pull of north.i tested for a current flow througg the coil by wrapping test meter lead around part of the coil.no current was measured.no voltage was measured from probe to column either.
last night with tank on,i did get a milli volt reading of 145 at peak but leveling out at 35.
i will put tank back on and see what readings i can get just exposed to sun today.

another thing i found strange was i had a max vacuum pulled during this test.even with the extra mercury and torch heat.vacuum did not change.so after a while,i dropped it to ten and then five.i still didnt get a reading  of voltage.i tried sparking it and got no spark with taser at all.im beginning to think my hickory wood fire was hotter than the torch as the bottom didnt even get red.

so there is where it stands at the moment.

Interesting results, even if not the ones expected. What kind of torch are you using?

im using whats called map gas.it a foot long cylinder painted yellow.it supposed to be hotter than a blue bottle.it didnt even turn the metal red with the valve full open.
i need way more heat.

just watched dr who:journey to the center of the tardis.towards the end.dr who is at the control panel and there are multiple mercury vapor lamps lighting up the center collumn.which give the enterior a greenish glow.there is also multiple spinning rings around the collumn.

will take break on this experiment while i check some other options out.

(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t522/robomont/Screenshot_2014-08-03-01-24-55_zpsihrfkkcw.png)

what if we took a mercury vapor bulb instead of a plasma jet.instead of bar magnets.we wired two bars as solenoid magnets.when power is on the upstroke,the bars polarize n/s and drive the ions to the plates,on the down stroke the magnets  would reverse polarity ,thus still driving the ions to the correct plates.any opinions.

(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t522/robomont/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-08/320px-Wfm_hall_thruster.svg_zps4lizrwxh.png)has all the components of what a ufo should have only they have shoved it all to one side.the wiki article says they are a very reliable thruster.they are called hall thrusters for sattelites.

(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t522/robomont/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-08/220px-Magnetohydrodynamic_drive_tube_zpsmgdciycy.jpg)notice the two plates,this is the japanese magnetohydradynamic drive.the two plates conduct electricity through saltwater then a magnetic coil drives the saltwater out.

notice the two plates are similar to the plates on the the second pic back.only the saltwater /plasma is being charged electrically and magnetically driven out.instead of the plasma /saltwater charging the plates.the effect works both ways.the only real difference is magnetic field placement.

(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t522/robomont/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-08/Screenshot_2014-08-05-02-28-08_zps8bxabu3v.png)so I'm looking at magnetohydrodynamic and I come across generators.and this is what I found at wiki.I wonder if that's the single bright light in the center of some of the tr builds.

(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t522/robomont/IMG_20140805_030028_zpsvrqyvsh_edit_1407226065777_zpslj50ulg9.jpg)so wiki is giving it up tonight.
Here is a wiki solenoid pic.sure looks like a UFO when lit up.

My we have been busy 8)
The first diagram looks like it would have a FJG as source engine, interesting twist on that, it is a proven science after all ;)
Gold mate, i'll get back here when i can!

(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t522/robomont/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-08/ionisation_zpslf1di1a3.gif)this is a graph showing zero resistence at 50% ionization.

(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t522/robomont/Screenshot_2014-08-06-02-22-53_zpshx9r6di7.png)this article states the plasma temp needs to be over 1000°c.
im not even getting close.i need a rosebud torch.

(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t522/robomont/Screenshot_2014-08-06-02-33-51_zpsr7o2nvab.png)well here you go guys.a childrens scientific article showing mercury can be used as ioniser.

(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t522/robomont/Screenshot_2014-08-06-02-38-49_zpst9kzna6v.png)if you notice at the bottom of article it mentions super conducting magnets.i believe thats what current ufos are using due to heat issues.
the magnets themselves were invented by paul chu at university of texas.the first material to be conductive at liquid nitrogen.prior to this the material had to be way colder.

(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t522/robomont/Screenshot_2014-08-06-02-48-37_zps98lloues.png)heres paul chu's street cred.notice his other interest near bottom of paragraph.

also notice his connections to the big three countries.this tells me this ufo thing is a international cooperation.

http://tcsuh.com/people/facultypl/chu_paul/    (http://tcsuh.com/people/facultypl/chu_paul/)here is a link to paul chu's page at his research lab.really cool stuff if you like physics.

(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t522/robomont/Screenshot_2014-08-06-03-27-18_zpsvkafp86h.png)notice his sponsors under room temp super conductors.

Quote from: PlaysWithMachines on August 05, 2014, 10:32:49 PM
My we have been busy 8)
The first diagram looks like it would have a FJG as source engine, interesting twist on that, it is a proven science after all ;)
Gold mate, i'll get back here when i can!

My thoughts exactly, Luke....FJG.

Brown also patented another apparatus where an hv arc was placed in a flow of fluid and repicked up downstream of the initial arc by inductive pickups on the outside of the tube.....my idea was to impregnate the fluid with magnetic spherules to see if it would enhance the reaction.....

Dangit, wheres that patent at.......looking.

Le

didnt know what you meant on fjg until le said brown,flame jet generator.
nano magnets?
the thing i liked about fjg was how each cone stepped up dc voltage.as far as i know,there arent alot of ways to step up high dc voltage as its generated.all in one shot.
plus the torch tip was the negative probe on fjg ,versus mag field exciting polarization of the ions.

  http://www.google.com/patents/US3430081     (http://www.google.com/patents/US3430081)found this patent on a mhd using mercury vapor.

notice who the patent owner is.

   http://www.google.com/patents/US3102384 (http://www.google.com/patents/US3102384)
old school ufo?
notice the  first few lines of the patent.statutes and codes.

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Quote from: robomont on November 09, 2014, 07:11:28 AM
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Oh hello, stranger :D

big hugs sinny :)

my newest design for top is a bevelled ceramic insulator and a plumb bob.the plumb bob is beveled and has a steel tip.
i have a ceramics person down the road.
i have to buy the plumb bob/10$ at amazon.
then make a insulator.then take that mold and have ceramic poured in and baked.
then use a small coating of silicone on inside and outside of ceramic insulator.to seal up any small gaps.
then i have to get enough money to fill up oxygen and acetylene bottles.
then shoot for 1500°faranheit.

Quite a surprise to see you back online Robo,
I am sure many have missed your input and intellect and ideas..

I can see from your last post as to possible reasons and why you may not be able to discuss any specifics as to what may have happened...

update, i have modified top of caduceus to make it ventury off a plumbob into the top two coil intakes, then i discovered i needed a dropa stone as an insulator.

i'm pouring one now but i'm broke.

i could use 50 bucks to aid in this experiment if a donor feels the urge. my schizo wife went back to her family, so i have no income. im living off support from local food pantry and have filed for disability. thats six months out.

ive tried job hunting with no success due to my blown disc and felony.

anyways, i realized i needed a plumbbob for electrode and this goes in top of dropa stone then a symbal or pizza pan is on top of plumbbob as electrode.

this lead me to playing card code, diamond is ufo, clubs is mercury gas ventury, heart is shape of magnetic field, spades is plumb bob, joker is the guy flying it a fool because of many reasons including mercury exposure making him a mad hatter, lol.

this proved the dropa tribe are real alien hybrids as their history states, debunking the debunkers, which lead me to chinese bi disc, which hints the chinese may have had this tech. as vimanas are from india, i suspect they had this tech too.

so thats where experiment stands right now.

***MrRobomont. too funny. i think our first communication was about this very thing. edited somewhat for clarity so us hu-mons might comprehend what you wanted to impart, friend. participating from a cell phone does not tend to provide proper formatting etiquette...lol :P good to see you, buddy, and thanks for the phone call. it meant a lot... onward through the fog. and i'll send the 50...do you have paypal?

Greetings:
Thanks for the update, brother.
We always appreciate the updates.
Perhaps you might write an article for my magazine.
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Considering the current attitude by TPTB towards alternative press speaking the truth, the only place you will find my name is on the Pete Santilli exclusive Letter From Prison.
Much Love.

BUMP
robomont...this will catch you up on my whereabouts lately:
http://tinyurl.com/zb58kfg

and, of course, my magazine.
Issue #7 Nuclear Winter Edition
Fully interactive Video and audio embedded.
http://anyflip.com/xoma/oxjy

how do i get you the 50?   8)

Quote from: thorfourwinds on April 16, 2016, 02:20:10 AM
BUMP
robomont...this will catch you up on my whereabouts lately:
http://tinyurl.com/zb58kfg

and, of course, my magazine.
Issue #7 Nuclear Winter Edition
Fully interactive Video and audio embedded.
http://anyflip.com/xoma/oxjy

how do i get you the 50?   8)

interesting the way the pages peel, did you programme that yourself Thor ?
is there a way to get movement in there too , video ,audio and the like ?

funbox

no paypal,hold it for me for the moment,got to work today,so earth is spinning correctly.i assume that post was you thor but it came out on my screen as me posting.
im not talking to myself yet guys,lol.
i forgot to state,i also had to buy a bearing race to fit bottom of dropa stone to make ceramic seal to caduceus.when you add in,two iron surfaces have to be mated to one ceramic surface that is a wide diameter.i may as well expect it to grow legs and jump.its been hard getting all three factors perfected with tbis disc.ive tried three times with three seperate gallons of ceramic slip.
the method im trying mnow is just get the disc with a raised nipple in center poured.once it almost completely dries,then mate the metal parts to it.before i was trying to pour with parts ,all at same time.insanity imho.shrinkage,in a perfect world a steel mold ,with almost dry slip would be pressed.i think its the way factories make ceramic plates..

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