First PEGASUS EXPERIMENT

[robomont]

small model cant handle heat.would just melt into blob.

[robomont]

http://m.apl.aip.org/resource/1/applab/v83/i26/p5395_s1?isAuthorized=no found this .i think it says that high current ionizes the mercury plasma.that would be relative to high heat.i may have to go down on amount of mercury.after thing is built i will fill with water to get exact volume.then you guys can run the numbers to know the exact amount of liquid mercury is needed.that way the max ionization without explosion.;-)

[robomont]

http://tempest.das.ucdavis.edu/mpi/smagnetic/smagnetic.html and here is an article on plasma creating a magnetic field.now they are using microwave but any high energy supply should work.

[robomont]

spoke to neighbor friend.he agreed to let me use his rosebud torch and bottle for heat supply.

[robomont]

got the freon jugs that will be the boiler and ion ball.bottom and top.gonna take a wire wheel to them and pollish then up shiny.

[Anthra]

Sorry about that, I got distracted by a commercial project.
anyway; 100 pounds of ionized air per second.

This will be difficult;
Air at normal density weighs about 3.3 lbs per cubic meter (35.3 cuft) so you will be moving the equivalent of 64,175 CFM. How much space did you say you have? You may want to consider increasing the air pressure in the system, that way you can move a greater mass in a smaller area.

This is a closed system, right?
I'll put together a "practical" system and we'll see what happens.

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

I cant remember what my original estimate was, i think it was a few kilos.
So, you can start by using 1/5 or 200g which is a few ounces, and see what the pressure is after vapourisation.

Remember, a plasma is super conductive & super inductive. You can pass a LOT of current through a plasma, take my word for it

You will need to turn those bottles upside down & vac them hard to get all the freon out

[robomont]

no anthra.the thing will have mercury plasma in the ionizing state.the outside will be air moving around it.the top ball of the caduceus will ionize the air and the tornado shaped coils will pull the ionized air down around it and to the bottom boiler ball.

yes pwm .thats what im talking about.i will be filling it full of water and get an exact volume for you to crunch the numbers on.hopefully anthra will get up to speed and we can get an idea on the wraps  and diameter of tubing.i checked on hydraulic tubing.2.06$ a foot for 1/2 INCH.some where between twenty and forty feet.

now this is what i call teamwork.thankyou guys : )

[Anthra]

I'm still working on your device, tween research, working for my company; I'm a bit behind. But, anyway check out this link: http://thesis.library.caltech.edu/7231/. It's to a paper on using magnetic shock tubes to produce high Mach shock waves; this is very close to what you will need to do to move your 100lbs of air. (that is a large volume of Air: 1246 cubic feet).

Some questions:
What size can this thing be?
How fast can the Air be moving?
Can I Ionize the Air?

[robomont]

yes anthra.thats what i need .questions.if the air is confijed to a small area then shockwaves would be possible.but if the area is say 100ft diameter then its not moving that fast for a hundred lbs per second.so im kinda shooting in the dark but what are the requirements for a magnetic field 100ft in diametr from a three ft diameter coil..the coil dimeter is average as top coil will be four ft diameter and bottom coil will be two ft diameter.avg.how many volts and amps or watts total to get what i need.
does this begin to be understandable to you?
i appreciate your time.we are on the timeline of middle of august so no big deal.we can have it all worked out by then.if you need a better pic to understand whats going on .i can draw something crude and post but its a pain in the but for me.i will throw up a pic of the refence one though.

[Anthra]

yes anthra.thats what i need .questions.if the air is confijed to a small area then shockwaves would be possible.but if the area is say 100ft diameter then its not moving that fast for a hundred lbs per second.so im kinda shooting in the dark but what are the requirements for a magnetic field 100ft in diametr from a three ft diameter coil..the coil dimeter is average as top coil will be four ft diameter and bottom coil will be two ft diameter.avg.how many volts and amps or watts total to get what i need.
does this begin to be understandable to you?
i appreciate your time.we are on the timeline of middle of august so no big deal.we can have it all worked out by then.if you need a better pic to understand whats going on .i can draw something crude and post but its a pain in the but for me.i will throw up a pic of the refence one though.

Yeah, post some pics. I can use them to construct a 3D model.

On the air pump; with a 3 inch area: 100lbs/sec = 115 mph (or there abouts) If the area is 100 feet then a high tech air pump is not needed, and can be replaced with an appropriate fan.

[robomont]

three inch air pump?

this thing will be grabbing air out to maybe a hundred feet in diameter.especially once it gets to outer space and ionizes hydrogen.

no disrespect anthra but have you read this entire thread?

most everything is already available.i think a pick is on the first page of thread.its not that hard to figure out what a three d model would look like.

[Anthra]

Yes, I have read the thread, several times. It is more than a bit ambiguous. Anyway from your drawing on page 2:



I didn't include the part after the ring and mercury supply, it look like cooling mostly and thus nt quite as important (we just can't forget it need to be there).

This is system is incomplete, as it seems to lack hardware to ionize the Mercury.

The whole system is rather vague and there is little serious science or engineering data available on this beast. But, after some searching I did find an article on this thing with a little about how it is supposed to work. Well that just my luck: I didn't record the link, and now I can't find it.

Anyway, this animal is supposed to use an action where electrons (or in this case negative ions) travel in a helical manner (cork-screw). This is actually a well known phenomena and was used in early Electronic Counter Measure Equipment to generate "noise". The helical action of the ions is supposed to "disrupt" gravity, I have some reservations.

Tokamak, y'all should look it up, quite interesting.  "A tokamak, or tokomak, is a device using a magnetic field to confine a plasma in the shape of a torus. Achieving a stable plasma equilibrium requires magnetic field lines that move around the torus in a helical shape. Such a helical field can be generated by adding a toroidal field (traveling around the torus in circles) and a poloidal field (traveling in circles orthogonal to the toroidal field). In a tokamak, the toroidal field is produced by electromagnets that surround the torus, and the poloidal field is the result of a toroidal electric current that flows inside the plasma. This current is induced inside the plasma with a second set of electromagnets."

"The tokamak is one of several types of magnetic confinement devices, and is one of the most-researched candidates for producing controlled thermonuclear fusion power. Magnetic fields are used for confinement since no solid material could withstand the extremely high temperature of the plasma. An alternative to the tokamak is the stellarator."

This device is used in nuclear fusion reactors. Additional research on this does not indicate any anomalous gravity issues with the device. So, IF there are any actual "anti-gravity" actions happening with this, then it is specifically the presence of Mercury that is responsible.


Here is my "version" of the device.



Some of the issues that we are left with is the complete lack of specific data on how to operate this thing. Thus a very flexible Electronics  control system needs to be developed, one that can provide at least this list:
Plasma / Mercury density control
Plasma charge
Plasma rotational velocity

Sorry I took so long...I hadn't realized that there was no place to upload images, so I had to build one 
(http://images.wolfmagick.com)

[robomont]

sorry for the late reply.
new design .new design has 3ft.tall pipe .welded at top and bottom.2 spiral coils of tubing welded at half way point on pipe and also welded at bottom of pipe.this will contain the mercury plasma at high pressure.the pipe and tubing will be 3000psi+ .the ball at top will be freon jug spotwelded in place.as jug cant handle the pressure but can ionize the air easily due to its round design.
the mercury plasma that flows through the tubing will create a magnetic field pullling the ionized air down and under.thus creating lift..

[robomont]

the spiral of tubing will start out wide at the midway point on the pipe and gradually the wraps will get smaller until it gets to bottom.there it will also be attached.

ige tried using scribbler app to make a drawing but having time getting to upload.
basically take the wings off of typical caduceus design and what is left is what im building.