So, the universe won't end with a bang or a whimper, but with an observation?
The researchers, who first proposed their idea in 2007, argue that continuous observation of the universe might put it into a state that will destroy us all.
Their theory relates to a strange property of quantum physics which controls the behaviour of subatomic particles and possibly the whole universe.
If a collapse occurs, it won't exceed the speed of light, so we'll probably see it coming, according to Esther Inglis-Arkell at iO9.
The reason for a collapse, says Professor Krauss, has to do with the strange way quantum states are affected by someone looking at it.
In the Schrödinger's cat thought experiment, a cat in a box whose fate is decided by subatomic particles is both alive and dead until someone lifts the lid and observes it.
Only then is the cat discovered to be either 'alive' or 'dead'.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2552130/Could-studying-universe-DESTROY-Changing-perception-cosmos-end-quantum-theories-correct.html
OK...I have a different take on this. It is US that is already and constantly collapsing the waveform. The universe actually exists in the wave state, but it is part of us that makes the translation, collapses the waveform, fixes it in space/time as a particle. When one halts the mental machinery, the thought process, that does the collapsing, through meditation, a direct observation of the wave universe, Brahman, with a part of us that is not our normal conscious state, becomes possible. That is Samadhi. At least that's one theory!... ;D
Cosmo
One has to wonder if the CAT's observations have any effect on things...
Quote from: Amaterasu on February 08, 2014, 04:38:27 PM
One has to wonder if the CAT's observations have any effect on things...
My dog says no.
Cosmo
QuoteOK...I have a different take on this. It is US that is already and constantly collapsing \
the waveform.
The universe actually exists in the wave state, but it is part of us that makes the translation, collapses the waveform, fixes it in space/time as a particle.
When one halts the mental machinery, the thought process, that does the collapsing, through meditation,
a direct observation of the wave universe, Brahman, with a part of us that is not our normal conscious state, becomes possible.
That is Samadhi. At least that's one theory!... ;D
YES :) I would go with that .... :)
Closely related to what I write about.
Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on February 09, 2014, 12:28:12 AM
YES :) I would go with that .... :)
Closely related to what I write about.
Cool Traveller,
What is your metaphysical influence? Mine is a personal experience that started me on a search that took years and led me to the Upanishads, so much of my references are Hindu in nature. They were so incredibly wise and I think that much of the metaphysical wisdom of the world began with the ancient Hindu masters. I think that what they called Samadhi is a direct experience of the primary medium, in it's quantum wave state(Brahman), before our mental machinery collapses the wave and creates the universe we observe. Meditation is the way to halt the mental machinery to glimpse the raw state of creation, the eternal illumination. I wonder if physicists are missing the point and that the math they are developing to describe the universe may actually be attempting to describe some of the qualities of the observer? Biocentrism has value I think. I will spend some time reading your postings. I haven't been around much for awhile and I have a lot of catching up to do.
Cosmo
I think what you are describing is in fact the case but the math is only a small part of it .
But YES through Meditation Practices, it is certainly possible, if not very likely,
one can observe and study Ones Processing System.
Even the Brain which is a Pseudo Processor, even though Neurologists realise it does NOT
function as our computers do today, the brain still involves a Processing System.
A lot of Research is being done in this area, but we need to look at some of the Brains functions
which are part of an "Interface System", between LIFE i.e. Conscious like "Awareness",
and our Experiences.
During my last visit to China I found that many are struggling with understanding these processes.
The Quantum Physics division in some Universities, have now "closed doors" to outsiders and foreigners.
Which was NOT the case during my Previous Visit to China in 2007/2008...
I could have made an appointment with the Quantum Physics Dept. but unfortunately I was only in Beijing
for just over a week. Maybe next time I return to China.
Just too much to do in so little time available.
I was able to spend some time though in the linguistics Department in one Beijing University.
Spent most of the morning and Part of the afternoon in discussions... I Had quite an interesting time ... :)
I was also hoping to meet "Deuem" while in China this time, but unfortunately I ran out of Time.
My last trip to China was NOT planned the main purpose was to attend a funeral.
So next time I will hopefully have everything planned, and arranged before arriving China.
Cosmo your thought's are very profound mate and I appreciate them! :)
In-Fact so profound it would be nice to see them expounded upon a wee bit in the sense of sitting still.
As far as I can figure it's alway's the stillness that equates to the golden moments where the laws of earth bound skeptoids is broken.
I don't know what Matrix would say but it would seem we live in a world where we chase a result of light rather than knowing the event horizon of light, or the Zenith of Light.
Either way I bet you both know more than me and I thoughly enjoy reading a good discussion on the topic !
It would be interesting to get your take on not so much the destroying the universe Cosmo but more the the block on the wave?
Why you may ask?
Block a transmission and then you can interject.. some of us believe that is "Possibly" occuring here.
QuoteI don't know what Matrix would say but it would seem we live in a world where we chase a result of light rather than knowing the event horizon of light, or the Zenith of Light.
Once again Soma, you have hit the Nail right on the head, like a true Carpenter or Builder !
No bent Nails ! :)
The "Clue" .... to being able to
Edit Programs, or even produce entirely new Programs .... :)
Quote from: Somamech on February 12, 2014, 07:04:34 PM
It would be interesting to get your take on not so much the destroying the universe Cosmo but more the the block on the wave?
Why you may ask?
Block a transmission and then you can interject.. some of us believe that is "Possibly" occuring here.
Hi Somamech,
Blocking the waves is not possible. It is that wave universe that is the foundation of creation. It is a part of us that does the translation of the probability wave, and then collapses it, resulting in the material world we observe. What we see is a translation and it is always an instant removed from the moment of creation. Every thought you have is in the past. Krishnamurti said our thoughts are crystallized, dead, in the past and that our ability to think is finite, but our ability to experience is infinite. Krishnamurti's wisdom is a jewel. Everything we think or believe and all of our intellectual property is of the collapsed wave state, an instant removed from the wave form. This is the puzzle of Samadhi, how to access the pure, energy state of the universe, the eternal illumination, when it cannot be realized through thought, or intellectual effort.
Here is a link about Samadhi. I can tell that Sri Chimnoy experienced Samadhi.
http://www.srichinmoy.org/spirituality/concentration_meditation_contemplation/samadhi
Here's a quote related to "interjecting".
The third thing you feel in nirvikalpa samadhi is power. All the power of all the occultists put together is nothing compared with the power you have in nirvikalpa samadhi. But the power that you can take from samadhi to utilize on earth is infinitesimal compared with the entirety.
The ability to utilize the energy of the moment of creation and become co-creator is known as Siddhis. They cannot be achieved by desire but are a natural result of attaining Samadhi.
Cosmo
Mankind is Destroying the Universe
aaaaAAAACCcccoooooo (big sneeze)
Sorry, , just an allergic reaction.
Looks at the size of earth, , our sun,, , , , , , our galaxy, , , , , the universe.
, , , and we can destroy it ?!?!?!
I sneeze around BS. ;D
Norval,
The article is about the quantum uncertainty principle and the way just observation can change the quantum state, collapsing a probability wave into a particle. As I stated, I have a different take than the article. I don't think that observation will destroy the universe and instead that we are contantly collapsing the wave state into the universe we observe and I am equating that with the Hindu concept of Samadhi and Brahman. The ancient sages knew. Here is a little video explaining the double slit experiment. It demonstrates that the universe is stranger than it appears on the surface and it is quite similar to what the Hindu sages said about our true nature and relationship to the universe.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwXQjRBLwsQ
Cosmo
I respected your first response to me and I should have saved it. :P
, , just a second, , ,
aaaaaAAAAACCCCCCCHHHHHHHhhoooooooooo, , , BSometer is still pegged.
IMO yah can't even trade for a cup of tea with those ideas and philosophies.
but that is just MHO. :)
Yeah,
Don,t waste your time thinking too deeply about it. But I am curious. Why would you take the time to make a negative comment about something that you obviously have no familiarity with? The Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle is integral to quantum mechanics and the double slit experiment has been verified many time in the lab and is pretty common knowledge. If you have problems accepting the link to the ancient wisdom, that's fine with me. I have seen others make the connection. One is a physicist named Fritjof Capra. He wrote a pretty good book called The Tao of Physics. I would recommend it to anyone wondering about that connection. No, Norval, I am not recommending it to you. It's just bs.
Cosmo
Heisenberg
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"The reason for a collapse, says Professor Krauss, has to do with the strange way quantum states are affected by someone looking at it".
Well, I did just put a "life-preserver" on, so that just to be sure, if anyone looks at this, my "quantum states" won't collapse!!
So now that I am in a "safe state" - - - if our observations are typically being made out into the quantum states of this universe, then aren't we seeing into the past at the speed of light distances? And if we are looking into the past, and seeing past universe events, are we (whoever) suggesting that just by our looking at a "past (already happened long ago) event" that we "might" be able to change the present state of the universe?? I am supposing that if what is suggested is true, and the universe of the past is destroyed, then the present would be destroyed too.
Right now, I would have a hard time accepting that just "observing" the incoming 100's. 1,000's, and billions of light years past could have any effect upon the actual past or present. If one accepted this thought, then would not this thought have to also apply to the "observation quantum states" of picture taken of any subject at anytime in the past? Or maybe to subjects and places in a movie/video?
If this were a video game we are living in, then I suppose anything could be true. BUT, I don't believe that to be the case either. :)
Quote from: rdunk on February 14, 2014, 06:58:44 PM
"The reason for a collapse, says Professor Krauss, has to do with the strange way quantum states are affected by someone looking at it".
Well, I did just put a "life-preserver" on, so that just to be sure, if anyone looks at this, my "quantum states" won't collapse!!
So now that I am in a "safe state" - - - if our observations are typically being made out into the quantum states of this universe, then aren't we seeing into the past at the speed of light distances? And if we are looking into the past, and seeing past universe events, are we (whoever) suggesting that just by our looking at a "past (already happened long ago) event" that we "might" be able to change the present state of the universe?? I am supposing that if what is suggested is true, and the universe of the past is destroyed, then the present would be destroyed too.
Right now, I would have a hard time accepting that just "observing" the incoming 100's. 1,000's, and billions of light years past could have any effect upon the actual past or present. If one accepted this thought, then would not this thought have to also apply to the "observation quantum states" of picture taken of any subject at anytime in the past? Or maybe to subjects and places in a movie/video?
If this were a video game we are living in, then I suppose anything could be true. BUT, I don't believe that to be the case either. :)
Hey rdunk,
The double slit experiment does show that observation collapses the wave state. Not my opinion or a theory or a video game. That is really the way things work. The quantum realm upset Einstein too. The uncertainty principle was god playing dice with the universe and he didn't like it. I don't think we have to worry about the universe collapsing from observation. I think the article had it kinda backwards. Everything we can observe is already a collapsed wave state, just like the double slit demonstrates. If all particles are collapsed waves, since every electron and all electrochemical reactions in your brain are related to your conscious thought process, your memories, beliefs and intellectual efforts, all of those things are of the collapsed wave state and an instant removed from the raw state of creation and they are fixed particles in space time as is your total physical body. The entire physical universe that we can OBSERVE is collapsed wave state. BUT...part of us always remains rooted in the pre-collapsed probability wave state of the universe, the quantum realm that is not bound by the laws of space and time but it is not part of us that we are consciously aware of. That is our dual nature. Part of us is fixed material points in space time and part of us is always rooted in the timeless quantum realm, or the akashic record as the Hindus called it but it is a state that is pre-thought, pre-collapse and that is why it is not accessible by thought. The puzzle of Samadhi is how to access the quantum wave state with the tools of thought that are of the fixed material world. You can't. There is a way and that is the wisdom the ancient Hindu sages reveals. We are not separate from the quantum realm, the primary medium. All points in space time are connected in it. It is Brahman and a direct experience of it is Samadhi.
Jack Sarfatti writes about this and thinks he has the math that can prove the future quantum radiation can be sensed in the present by us. Of course, that does not seem unnatural to me as I see it as a natural consequence of the influence of the timeless quantum realm that we are connected to.
One thing about true meditation. If you are thinking about it you aren't doing it.
the universe for scale
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Cosmo
Quote from: COSMO on February 14, 2014, 03:34:44 PM
Yeah,
Don,t waste your time thinking too deeply about it. But I am curious. Why would you take the time to make a negative comment about something that you obviously have no familiarity with?
No, Norval, I am not recommending it to you. It's just bs.
Cosmo
That is an unqualified assumption. :)
Quote from: Norval on February 14, 2014, 10:24:46 PM
That is an unqualified assumption. :)
No Norval, it was sarcasm.
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Cosmo
If we are to comsider quantum states and the possiblity of them being affected by over-observation, how about we consider how the reaction of the observer can affect the ultimate outcome of the wave collapse....can the wave be ampified, and expanded through perception of such distant events as a supernova or binary star interaction?
If we stand appalled at what we observe, dow e get what we expect.
Quote from: Littleenki on February 15, 2014, 02:10:29 PM
If we are to comsider quantum states and the possiblity of them being affected by over-observation, how about we consider how the reaction of the observer can affect the ultimate outcome of the wave collapse....can the wave be ampified, and expanded through perception of such distant events as a supernova or binary star interaction?
If we stand appalled at what we observe, dow e get what we expect.
LE! How ya been? How's the fishing?
Very good observation/question. Those types of events at that scale do produce effects in the primary medium, the ether I think. Anything that affects the primary medium would affect everything else, from the permeability of space time to atomic decay rates to the fine structure constant and gravity. Some of that alteration could also affect living organisms since they are also linked in the primary medium, from the subatomic realm on up. I also think those types of events are what would have been recorded by TTB as those variations would affect the performance of his measuring devices.
When you see the effects of a supernova, you are seeing light, photons, particles, all collapsed quantum wave states. EVERYTHING we see is collapsed wave states. The instant of collapse is not observable by our conscious mind, our collapsed wave state mental machinery. Every thought you have is an instant removed from the collapse, the moment of creation of the physical universe, maya, the illusion. This is what Krishnamurti meant when he said that all of our thoughts are dead, crystallized, in the past.
It is no coincidence that theoretical physicist David Bohm and Krishnamurti were dear friends.
Yes, observer interaction with the wave collapse, that is the heart of the matter isn't it. When we observe our physical bodies, we see flesh, blood and bone. Collapsed wave states, as is our brain, it's electrochemical activity, our thoughts, beliefs and memories, all post-quantum wave sate, fixed in space and time. We cannot utilize the post collapse mental tools to grasp the pre-collapse state. Apples and oranges. That is where meditation comes in. True meditation is not thought, ritual, mantra or dogma. It is simply shutting down all of the mental machinery until the primary medium, the quantum wave state....Brahman, the Eternal Illumination is revealed. The experience is Samadhi. Now, it is much easier said than done. Our mental machinery is a survival mechanism that has evolved to deal with the material world. It resists being transcended. It's methods are distraction and sleep. When one has transcended the mental waking state, the next level down is the sleep state. That is a level that takes practice and steadfastness to get through. There are some tricks to getting beyond this state while maintaining a pure level of consciousness. Many times in the beginning I would end up asleep and snoring...but I would sleep well!
The Hindu's say there are seven level of consciousness:
(http://www.swamij.com/images/om-levels.jpg)
When one attains Samadhi, siddhis are a natural side effect. They cannot be achieved by desire or effort.
If we are appalled at what we observe, it means we have chosen that experience. Good, bad, light, dark, it's all maya.
Cosmo
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QuoteThey cannot be achieved by desire or effort.
100 % Correct there Cosmo .... :)
Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on February 17, 2014, 08:28:59 PM
100 % Correct there Cosmo .... :)
Hi Matrix,
Just found this article, again, about observation affecting quantum states. Everything we see around us is post observation, post collapse.
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http://phys.org/news/2014-02-peeking-physicists-quantum-particles.html
Quantum mechanics describes the behaviour of microscopic particles, such as atoms and electrons. When we compare it to our observations in everyday life, nature behaves very strangely at the scale of these particles.
Yes, want and desire are both post observation manifestations and thereby excluded from the raw, pre-collapse quantum state. Mutually exclusive.
Cosmo
I saw something posted on another forum about Siddhis that wasn't quite accurate and just wanted to add a little more information about them.
It is not a type of meditation. Siddhis are the natural result of attaining Samadhi. Anyone that wants to achieve them for their power will never attain them.
When one attains Samadhi, it is a direct experience of the primary medium, the raw quantum wave state of the universe that is not bound by space and time. The ancient Hindu sages were the ORIGINAL remote viewers. It is the nature of the primary medium, Brahman, and our relationship to that, which makes remote viewing possible. I find the modern fascination with remote viewing humorous. It is really nothing new. Is is a UNION with that instant of creation, the collapse of the quantum wave, that imbues one with Siddhis and all want and desire are excluded from that instant. You want powers??? Too bad! ;D
Here is one list of Siddhis, there are others. The concept, in general, is that if a person becomes one with the wave collapse, co-creator of the universe, certain alterations to physical reality are possible...thaumaturgy.
1. Anima:
Ability to reduce the size of the body, sometimes even to the size of the atoms. ('Becoming smaller than the smallest' as described in Srimad Bhagavatam by Lord Krishna)
Example: Hanuman had reduced the size of his body while he was searching for Sita in Lanka.
2. Mahima:
Ability to assume a gigantic form ('Becoming larger than the largest' as described in Srimad Bhagavatam by Lord Krishna)
Example:
Hanuman assumed a huge form to burn Lanka, he also assumed big form to fight Kumbha Karna
In Vaamana avatar Lord Vishnu increased his form which was so gigantic that it only took him three steps to cover all three worlds
3. Garima
Ability to become very heavy in weight by will
Example: Lord Hanuman made his tail very heavy that even Bhima couldn't life it (Bhima who was climbing the GandhaMadana mountains to get Saugandhika flowers for Draupadi was stopped by a monkey whose tail was on the way, Bhima orders the monkey to take the tail off the road, monkey being old tells him to move it himself, but Bhima couldn't even lift the monkey's tail)
4. Laghima
Laghima comes from the word laghu, which means small or light. Laghima is the ability to make the body very light ('Becoming lighter than the lightest'). Levitation and flying in the air are its subsidiary powers
5. Prapti
Word praapti means 'to obtain', 'having obtained', 'to have got'. Thus praapti is the ability to acquire anything anywhere.
6. Prakamya
The ability to obtain anything desired, ability to have realized the dreams
7. Isitva
Isa=lord; isitva=lordship; The power of absolute lordship over entire creation
8. Vasitva
The ability to have everything under control, especially the physical manifestation made up of 5 elements
To experience the raw, timeless, quantum state of the universe, to access the instant of wave collapse, to become one with the moment of creation....
that is Samadhi, the results are the Siddhis.
Cosmo
Quote from: Norval on February 14, 2014, 12:28:08 AM
Mankind is Destroying the Universe
aaaaAAAACCcccoooooo (big sneeze)
Sorry, , just an allergic reaction.
Looks at the size of earth, , our sun,, , , , , , our galaxy, , , , , the universe.
, , , and we can destroy it ?!?!?!
I sneeze around BS. ;D
Norval I have always appreciated your take on the world since the whole crapola happened with them dang smurf's mate, but like anything dude along with Stephen Hawking... No-One knows WTF is going on here on this Planet.
I have theory's, You have em, We all have em.
;)
Cosmo, Wow SriChimnoy! 8)
http://www.srichinmoy.org/spirituality/concentration_meditation_contemplation/samadhi
I've never been involved with that organisation but I have frequented one of their cafe's here in melbourne which is now defunct. I don't have a bad word to say about the nice couple that ran that cafe. It may be odd to say this in this day and age...They serviced LIFE with no harassment.
They also run some pretty damn good running race's here in melbourne too!
Many claim to, but Chinmoy knew. Here is something that I find to have some energy....
from wiki:
At bi-weekly formal meditations, the men wear white clothing, while the women wear colourful Indian saris.[55] The focus of meditation at these meetings is a black-and-white copy of a photograph of Chinmoy taken in 1967 while he was in what he described as a transcendental state of consciousness. It was sometimes referred to by Ghose and his disciples as "The Transcendental Picture" or "The Transcendental Photograph", but more often simply as "The Transcendental". Chinmoy advised his disciples when meditating on his picture to feel that they are entering into their own highest part, that the picture does not represent a human being, but a state of consciousness
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The "half lidded" technique...
Cosmo
More news from the quantum realm...
New Quantum Theory Could Explain the Flow of Time
Popescu, Short and their colleagues Noah Linden and Andreas Winter reported the discovery in the journal Physical Review E in 2009, arguing that objects reach equilibrium, or a state of uniform energy distribution, within an infinite amount of time by becoming quantum mechanically entangled with their surroundings. Similar results by Peter Reimann of the University of Bielefeld in Germany appeared several months earlier in Physical Review Letters. Short and a collaborator strengthened the argument in 2012 by showing that entanglement causes equilibration within a finite time.
If the new line of research is correct, then the story of time's arrow begins with the quantum mechanical idea that, deep down, nature is inherently uncertain. An elementary particle lacks definite physical properties and is defined only by probabilities of being in various states. For example, at a particular moment, a particle might have a 50 percent chance of spinning clockwise and a 50 percent chance of spinning counterclockwise. An experimentally tested theorem by the Northern Irish physicist John Bell says there is no "true" state of the particle; the probabilities are the only reality that can be ascribed to it.
Quantum uncertainty then gives rise to entanglement, the putative source of the arrow of time.
When two particles interact, they can no longer even be described by their own, independently evolving probabilities, called "pure states." Instead, they become entangled components of a more complicated probability distribution that describes both particles together. It might dictate, for example, that the particles spin in opposite directions. The system as a whole is in a pure state, but the state of each individual particle is "mixed" with that of its acquaintance. The two could travel light-years apart, and the spin of each would remain correlated with that of the other, a feature Albert Einstein famously described as "spooky action at a distance."
"Entanglement is in some sense the essence of quantum mechanics," or the laws governing interactions on the subatomic scale, Brunner said. The phenomenon underlies quantum computing, quantum cryptography and quantum teleportation.
http://www.wired.com/2014/04/quantum-theory-flow-time/
Quantum uncertainty then gives rise to entanglement...yes, in the superluminal, superfluid ETHER. And spooky action at a distance is simply a superluminal type of movement of ETHER, via subatomic black holes. That is the model of nature, EVERYTHING ENTANGLED in the superluminal ETHER, the universal quantum ocean of creation, the ZPF, Brahman...with all matter and energy manifesting as fixed points in our space/time universe due to observation...the instant of creation, collapse of the probability wave into everything we see...maya.
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Dattatraya
skyfish
More news from the Quantum Press...
Proving uncertainty: First rigorous formulation supporting Heisenberg's famous 1927 principle
Nearly 90 years after Werner Heisenberg pioneered his uncertainty principle, a group of researchers from three countries has provided substantial new insight into this fundamental tenet of quantum physics with the first rigorous formulation supporting the uncertainty principle as Heisenberg envisioned it.
http://phys.org/news/2014-04-uncertainty-rigorous-heisenberg-famous-principle.html#jCp
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We are awash in the timeless quantum ocean of creation. I'm going for a swim! lol
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skyfish
Here is an interesting video with Jack Sarfatti about consciousness and it's connection to the timeless quantum realm. Jack has some interesting theories and may have the math to prove precognition via quantum radiation from the future. The physics of cosmic consciousness! I like that!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGR3SOiTTLc
Sid
Cat!
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;D ;D ;D
Been wanting to post this...been under the weather.
This is noteworthy. Our world is stranger than it appears!
Watch Schrödinger's cat die (or survive)
Physicists capture quantum particles' bizarre wanderings for the first time
In Schrödinger's cat experiment, a cat in a box, whose fate is decided by subatomic particles, is both alive and dead until someone looks at it.
In the same way, when quantum particles are 'touched' by the outside world, they lose this quantum strangeness and collapse into a 'classical state'.
Study shows it is possible to follow quantum particles before they collapse.
It found that quantum particles follow the classical path of least resistance.
This could let scientists steer quantum behaviour in a certain direction.
For example, in chemistry, scientists could use this to prefer certain products of a reaction over others.
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Continuous monitoring of a quantum system can direct it along a random path. This map shows how scientists tracked the transition between two states many times to determine how it changes. They found quantum particles follow the classical path of least resistance
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Kater Murch (right), assistant professor of physics, and junior Chris Munley work with the equipment that can map a quantum device's trajectory between two points in quantum state space, a feat until recently considered impossible
'But real-time tracking of a quantum system shows that it's a continuous process, and that we can constantly extract information from the system as it goes from quantum to classical,' said Professor Siddiqi.
For quantum computers, this would allow continuous error correction.
'The implications are significant, as now we can design control sequences to steer a system along a certain trajectory,' said Professor Siddiqi.
'For example, in chemistry one could use this to prefer certain products of a reaction over others.'
Chemistry at its most basic level is described by quantum mechanics.
In the past 20 years, chemists have developed a technique called quantum control, where shaped laser pulses are used to drive chemical reactions.
'The chemists control the quantum field from the laser, and that field controls the dynamics of a reaction,' explained Kater Murch, PhD, an assistant professor of physics at Washington University.
'Eventually, we'll be able to control the dynamics of chemical reactions with lasers instead of just mixing reactant one with reactant two and letting the reaction evolve on its own,' he said.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2712015/Watch-Schr-dingers-cat-die-live-Physicists-quantum-theorys-bizarre-wanderings-time.html
From Quantum to Classical...
From the energetic wave form of the universe to the reality we perceive around us! This IS the way of the creator...
Every idea we may have about gravity modification or FTL travel will have to take the above into consideration. We live in an Energetic Quantume Wave Universe that is continually resolving, at each instant, into the reality we observe. Tracking quantum particles BEFORE they collapse! This is no longer conjecture! It pleases me to see this progress being made to the point they can map "the resolving". It does strike me as humorous that humans think that what they see around them is REALLY the way things are! We live in MAYA, The Illusion, created by our consciousness interacting with the Energetic Dimension of Time.
I recall also reading lately that wave guide technology can affect the quantum vacuum. So, lasers and wave guide technology to modify the ETHER...
Samadhi to experience it directly...
We ARE NOT separate from the continuous process of creation that constantly unfolds at every instant. We are inseparable from it. ALWAYS united. Always ONE in the timeless quantum ocean of creation.
Quantum particles "touched' by the outside world"...where physics and metaphysics unite.
skyfish
I think the particles are effected by the giant masses of the universe.the voltages they need to create these particles relates to the masses such as earth ,the solar system ,the galaxy and the universe.so the particles location is predictable.
That's just my theory on it.
And the cat never existed.
I am not sure about that one robo. The foundation of creation is not particle or electromagnetic in nature. These qualities and all of the forces of nature spring from the primary medium, the ETHER. In it's placid state we can only detect it's gravitational effects and it behaves like a super fluid. (the super fluid model explains the riddle of gravity AND inertia) The universal ocean of creation is not matter as we observe it. We only perceive the result of the quantum wave collapse, from "quantum to classical", when the quantum state is "touched" by the outside world. That instant of being "touched"...that is the instant of physical creation.
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The results of the experiment are significant because it validates the wave/particle probability state, quantum wave collapse and the uncertainty principle. It is not a theory. We can not ignore this and be successful in mastering the forces of nature.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2712015/Watch-Schr-dingers-cat-die-live-Physicists-quantum-theorys-bizarre-wanderings-time.html
This means we HAVE to factor in the human element when we consider the nature of the universe. The post collapse, physical universe we observe is not even the real state of creation. That is the main stumbling block right now for mankind in our quest to understand the forces of nature including FTL and gravity modification...and OUR true nature...
Cosmo
Well, Cosmo, it seems there are some quantum entanglements going on right in fron of our eyes here amigo....I hadnt seen this latest post of yours, but does this sound familiar?
you said:
Quantum particles "touched' by the outside world"...where physics and metaphysics unite.
And on that thread where I posted the video of Tom Campbell......I said:
Im sure many here will find it very useful in formulating their views on the situation regarding physics and metaphysics as a whole instead of parts.
Then add that to the graphic in your post showing the clear spiral nature of a quantum density as it relocates through local geometry around an invisible axis...of which I would guess is what Campell describes as "Other", or stillness, God, or what have you....and one begins to see the Samadhi manifest through such visible means.
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Hmmm, seems there is a quantum connection in minds here at PRC.....I am convinced of that.
The process of thought and mental manifestation is obvious to the meditator in their meditative state of heightened awareness and purposeful desire, to create this spiral, or Kundalini, within themselves..as many historical masters taught.....and for science to be able to see it now, and realize their battle to disprove it for centuries is fruitless, and how this work is breaking down the walls which have separated science and spirituality for millenia, is a wonderful new development, a long time coming.
Gold for you my friend, and it would appear soon, an Age of Gold for humanity!
Cheers!
Le
Excellent post, LE. I give Thee gold.
QuoteFor example, in chemistry, scientists could use this to prefer certain products of a reaction over others
(From COSMO's linked article)
This sounds suspiciously like the idea that certain temperatures seemed to have importance as frequency markers within alchemy. Then again, you also have the system of the planetary days and hours. I think it's going to be extremely amusing to see how much of hermeticism ultimately ends up being verified by science. Of course, said scientists would prefer to undergo live vivisection than admit that, "We've just proven that magick is real."
Quote from: petrus4 on August 12, 2014, 09:43:18 AM
I think it's going to be extremely amusing to see how much of hermeticism ultimately ends up being verified by science.
Some of it has been verified. I'd suggest that what most mainstream scientists ignore is the implications of verification. This is partly because the implications are philosophical but the findings also clearly have implications for science which are unlikely to get attention publicly (a lot of scientists are Rosicrucians and similar PRIVATELY).
Will Hermeticism and related systems ever be publicly accepted by academia or industry? I wish I knew....
Fascinating ideas from some of our greatest minds on the subject of human consciousness and the universe we perceive.
8 Scientists Contemplate Place of Human Consciousness in Science
Erwin Schrödinger, Nobel Prize Winning Physicist
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"Consciousness is that by which this world first becomes manifest, by which indeed, we can quite calmly say, it first becomes present; that the world consists of the elements of consciousness."
David Chalmers, Cognitive Scientist and Philosopher at NYU - "Consciousness doesn't dangle outside the physical world as some kind of extra, it's there right at its heart,"
William Tiller, Professor Emeritus at Stanford University - "Consciousness lifts the higher thermodynamic free energy state [of the vacuum level], then we can access the physics of the vacuum," Tiller says. "Accessing that new physics allows intention to bring forth effects you wouldn't imagine."
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/893101-8-scientists-contemplate-place-of-human-consciousness-in-science/
Interesting comment: "Accessing that new physics allows intention to bring forth effects you wouldn't imagine."
Maybe some of us CAN imagine...
There's a lot more at the link.
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Cosmo
Maybe we shouldn't be looking quite so hard for the God particle - it could destroy the universe, warns Stephen Hawking
The Higgs boson 'God particle' could destroy the universe, Hawking says
Space and time could suddenly collapse - and 'we would not see it coming'
If scientists put too much energy in the Higgs boson the universe could end
Disaster very unlikely as physicists do not have large enough collider
Prof Hawking wrote: 'The Higgs potential has the worrisome feature that it might become megastable at energies above 100bn giga-electron-volts (GeV).
'This could mean that the universe could undergo catastrophic vacuum decay, with a bubble of the true vacuum expanding at the speed of light.
'This could happen at any time and we wouldn't see it coming.'
Scientists believe that a fraction of a second after the Big Bang that gave birth to the universe, an invisible energy field, called the Higgs field, formed.
This has been described as a kind of 'cosmic treacle' across the universe. As particles passed through it, they picked up mass, giving them size and shape and allowing them to form the atoms that make up you, everything around you and everything in the universe.
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Professor John Ellis, a theoretical physicist at Cern, said: 'One thing should be made clear. The discovery of the Higgs boson at the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) did not cause this problem, and collisions at the LHC could not trigger the instability, because their energies are far too low.'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2746727/Maybe-shouldn-t-looking-quite-hard-God-particle-destroy-universe-warns-Stephen-Hawking.html
allowing them to form the atoms that make up you, everything around you and everything in the universe.
Again, everything we observe is post-collapse, from wave form, into the universe we can observe. We exist downstream from that instant of physical manifestation. We can transcend that process and experience the pure energy state of creation. That is the realm of the clockwork elves.
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Cosmo
Researchers describe the wavefunction of Schroedinger's cat
Schrödinger's cat highlights a long-standing dilemma in quantum mechanics: is the cat really alive and dead, or is the weirdness just in our head?
Researchers at The University of Queensland have now made major progress in answering this question.
Using four-dimensional states of photons, and subjecting them to very precise measurements, they ruled out the popular view that describing the cat as dead and alive is just due to a lack of knowledge about its real state.
As with all objects in quantum physics, the cat is described by the quantum wavefunction.
Dr Alessandro Fedrizzi, from the UQ School of Mathematics and Physics, explains that although the quantum wavefunction is our central tool for describing physical systems in quantum mechanics, it is still unclear what it actually is.
"Does it only represent our limited knowledge about the real state of a system, or is it in direct correspondence with this reality?
"And is there any objective reality at all?"
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This debate has remained purely theoretical for decades, until three teams of quantum theorists—including co-authors Dr Cyril Branciard and Dr Eric Cavalcanti—recently proposed experimental tests to answer this question.
"The new approach tests whether the competing interpretations of the wavefunction can explain why we cannot tell quantum states apart with certainty, which is a central feature of quantum mechanics," says lead author Mr Martin Ringbauer.
"Our results suggest that, if there is objective reality, the wavefunction corresponds to this reality."
In other words, Schrödinger's cat really is in a state of being both alive and dead.
As measurements improve further, physicists will be left with two possible interpretations of the wavefunction: either the wavefunction is completely real, or nothing is.
Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2015-02-wavefunction-schroedinger-cat.html#jCp
Wavefunction corresponds to this reality...how to know the waveform? Samadhi.
Either the wavefunction is completely real, or nothing is. There is no spoon. It's all Maya.
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Cosmo
Lightning, the sun...from the blackness a sun...the Schwarze Sonne...
https://books.google.com/books?id=FNzTC6Nmy6gC&pg=PA323&lpg=PA323&dq=upanishads+you+may+experience+lightning&source=bl&ots=dEB8T1V0Kd&sig=gYKQbbcsX9lzaZEDRaKh8h-b4-8&hl=en&sa=X&ei=XsjdVM2EDMGANqvLgMgG&ved=0CCYQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=upanishads%20you%20may%20experience%20lightning&f=false
From Atman to Brahman, a direct experience of the timeless quantum realm, our true eternal nature...
Cosmo
The Reality of Quantum Weirdness
Is there a true story, or is our belief in a definite, objective, observer-independent reality an illusion?
This very question, brought into sharper, scientific focus, has long been the subject of debate in quantum physics. Is there a fixed reality apart from our various observations of it? Or is reality nothing more than a kaleidoscope of infinite possibilities?
This month, a paper published online in the journal Nature Physics presents experimental research that supports the latter scenario — that there is a "Rashomon effect" not just in our descriptions of nature, but in nature itself.
Over the past hundred years, numerous experiments on elementary particles have upended the classical paradigm of a causal, deterministic universe. Consider, for example, the so-called double-slit experiment. We shoot a bunch of elementary particles — say, electrons — at a screen that can register their impact. But in front of the screen, we place a partial obstruction: a wall with two thin parallel vertical slits. We look at the resulting pattern of electrons on the screen. What do we see?
If the electrons were like little pellets (which is what classical physics would lead us to believe), then each of them would go through one slit or the other, and we would see a pattern of two distinct lumps on the screen, one lump behind each slit. But in fact we observe something entirely different: an interference pattern, as if two waves are colliding, creating ripples.
Astonishingly, this happens even if we shoot the electrons one by one, meaning that each electron somehow acts like a wave interfering with itself, as if it is simultaneously passing through both slits at once.
So an electron is a wave, not a particle? Not so fast. For if we place devices at the slits that "tag" the electrons according to which slit they go through (thus allowing us to know their whereabouts), there is no interference pattern. Instead, we see two lumps on the screen, as if the electrons, suddenly aware of being observed, decided to act like little pellets.
To test their commitment to being particles, we can tag them as they pass through the slits — but then, using another device, erase the tags before they hit the screen. If we do that, the electrons go back to their wavelike behavior, and the interference pattern miraculously reappears.
There is no end to the practical jokes we can pull on the poor electron! But with a weary smile, it always shows that the joke is on us. The electron appears to be a strange hybrid of a wave and a particle that's neither here and there nor here or there. Like a well-trained actor, it plays the role it's been called to perform. It's as though it has resolved to prove the famous Bishop Berkeley maxim "to be is to be perceived."
Does the wave function directly correspond to an objective, observer-independent physical reality, or does it simply represent an observer's partial knowledge of it?
If the wave function is merely knowledge-based, then you can explain away odd quantum phenomena by saying that things appear to us this way only because our knowledge of the real state of affairs is insufficient. But the new paper in Nature Physics gives strong indications (as a result of experiments using beams of specially prepared photons to test certain statistical properties of quantum measurements) that this is not the case. If there is an objective reality at all, the paper demonstrates, then the wave function is in fact reality-based.
What this research implies is that we are not just hearing different "stories" about the electron, one of which may be true. Rather, there is one true story, but it has many facets, seemingly in contradiction, just like in "Rashomon." There is really no escape from the mysterious — some might say, mystical — nature of the quantum world.
But what, if anything, does all this mean for us in our own lives? We should be careful to recognize that the weirdness of the quantum world does not directly imply the same kind of weirdness in the world of everyday experience. That's because the nebulous quantum essence of individual elementary particles is known to quickly dissipate in large ensembles of particles (a phenomenon often referred to as "decoherence"). This is why, in fact, we are able to describe the objects around us in the language of classical physics.
Rather, I suggest that we regard the paradoxes of quantum physics as a metaphor for the unknown infinite possibilities of our own existence. This is poignantly and elegantly expressed in the Vedas: "As is the atom, so is the universe; as is the microcosm, so is the macrocosm; as is the human body, so is the cosmic body; as is the human mind, so is the cosmic mind."
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/22/opinion/sunday/the-reality-of-quantum-weirdness.html?_r=1
If there is an objective reality at all, the paper demonstrates, then the wave function is in fact reality-based.
What this research implies is that we are not just hearing different "stories" about the electron, one of which may be true. Rather, there is one true story, but it has many facets, seemingly in contradiction, just like in "Rashomon." There is really no escape from the mysterious — some might say, mystical — nature of the quantum world.
Yes! A wave universe. Everything we observe is post wave collapse. A direct experience, pre-collapse is possible through meditaiion and that experience is Samadhi. Mankind isn't destroying the universe, mankind is CREATING the universe we observe! Observer created reality. Maya.
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expressed in the Vedas: "As is the atom, so is the universe; as is the microcosm, so is the macrocosm; as is the human body, so is the cosmic body; as is the human mind, so is the cosmic mind."
From subatomic to cosmic...
Cosmo
Quantum experiment verifies Einstein's 'spooky action at a distance'
An experiment devised in Griffith University's Centre for Quantum Dynamics has for the first time demonstrated Albert Einstein's original conception of "spooky action at a distance" using a single particle.
In a paper published in the journal Nature Communications, CQD Director Professor Howard Wiseman and his experimental collaborators at the University of Tokyo report their use of homodyne measurements to show what Einstein did not believe to be real, namely the non-local collapse of a particle's wave function.
According to quantum mechanics, a single particle can be described by a wave function that spreads over arbitrarily large distances, but is never detected in two or more places.
This phenomenon is explained in quantum theory by what Einstein disparaged in 1927 as "spooky action at a distance", or the instantaneous non-local collapse of the wave function to wherever the particle is detected.
Almost 90 years later, by splitting a single photon between two laboratories, scientists have used homodyne detectors—which measure wave-like properties—to show the collapse of the wave function is a real effect.
This phenomenon is the strongest yet proof of the entanglement of a single particle, an unusual form of quantum entanglement that is being increasingly explored for quantum communication and computation.
"Einstein never accepted orthodox quantum mechanics and the original basis of his contention was this single-particle argument. This is why it is important to demonstrate non-local wave function collapse with a single particle," says Professor Wiseman.
"Einstein's view was that the detection of the particle only ever at one point could be much better explained by the hypothesis that the particle is only ever at one point, without invoking the instantaneous collapse of the wave function to nothing at all other points.
"However, rather than simply detecting the presence or absence of the particle, we used homodyne measurements enabling one party to make different measurements and the other, using quantum tomography, to test the effect of those choices."
"Through these different measurements, you see the wave function collapse in different ways, thus proving its existence and showing that Einstein was wrong."
Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2015-03-quantum-einstein-spooky-action-distance.html#jCp
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The collapse of the wave function is a real effect. Einstein was wrong. I'll take that cup of tea now.
COSMO
Quote'Eventually, we'll be able to control the dynamics of chemical reactions with lasers instead of just mixing reactant one with reactant two and letting the reaction evolve on its own,' he said.
So actually eventually with understanding the reaction could be controlled with a thought?
Quote from: Dyna on March 27, 2015, 06:41:51 PM
So actually eventually with understanding the reaction could be controlled with a thought?
First, what is thought? It is electro-chemical reactions in the brain. All atoms, electrons and molecules, fixed stuff in space/time, all post collapse from the quantum wave. The instantaneous, non-local collapse of the quantum wave into a particle is real and it is faster than light. So, the mechanisms of thought are all post collapse and unable to influence the pre-collapse state of creation. All your thoughts, wants and desires are an instant removed from the act of physical creation. Secondly, the collapse happens faster than light. Can you "think" that fast? Can you enact your wants and desires faster than the wave can collapse? LOL Clearly THAT would not be the case. Look into the nature of the SIDDHIS. They cannot be attained through want or desire.
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Cosmo
ANYTHING is possible...
The mysterious world of quantum physics is overturning centuries of scientific conviction. The primary revelation: Anything is possible.
The "observer effect" is a term that refers to what happens when something is observed... it changes. For instance, to check the air pressure in a tire you must use an instrument that immediately releases air, which means that you never get a completely accurate reading. But this example trivializes the impact that the quality of our consciousness has when brought to focus through attention/intention.
A companion term in quantum physics is the "uncertainty principle," described this way by Wikipedia: "...it states that the more precisely the position of some particle is determined, the less precisely its momentum can be known, and vice versa."
Together, these two principles invite a radically different understanding of what's going on at the sub atomic level. Gone are those little balls rotating around a stable center. Welcome the waves. Scientists now inform us that energy exists in both waves and particles and that the act of observation can temporarily congeal waves into particles. The new convention says: The observer influences what is observed. But what is seldom further considered are the differences in influence on the observed because of differences in the observer. This inquiry zooms us out from that invisible world into our real time human experience and poses new questions: Who is looking and how are they looking? It matters.
When someone develops the ability to sustain a genuine meditative state, it transforms the nature and the potency of their attention and develops an accumulating, powerful impact on their 3D experience.
Any person who has developed the ability to focus, to direct their thoughts and feelings in a non-egoic way by harmonizing themselves within the oneness of universal consciousness, becomes a magician of life. Miraculous events can unfold -- anything can happen -- because of the quality of one's looking. Many unexplainable events can be explained this way: what happened (something that defied logic) happened that way because of who was watching.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/master-charles-cannon/anything-is-possible_1_b_7136828.html
Observation collapses the quantum wave. Observer created reality...MAYA.
When the machinery of observation is halted the Eternal Illumination is revealed...Brahman.
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Cosmo
Chinmoy
Enjoy!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iLmuIsGttI#t=94
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Cosmo
Observation creating the universe...
Experiment suggests that reality doesn't exist until it is measured:
Researchers working at the Australian National University (ANU) have conducted an experiment that helps bolster the ever-growing evidence surrounding the weird causal properties inherent in quantum theory. In short, they have shown that reality does not actually exist until it is measured – at atomic scales, at least.
Associate Professor Andrew Truscott and his PhD student, Roman Khakimov, of ANU's Research School of Physics and Engineering conducted a version of John Archibald Wheeler's delayed-choice thought experiment – a variation of the classic double-slit experiment, where light is shown to display characteristics of both waves and particles – where an object moving through open space is provided the opportunity (some would say "a choice") to behave like a particle or a wave.
In this instance, however, the ANU team replicated Wheeler's experiment using multiple atoms, which was much more difficult to do than a test using photons. This extra difficulty is due to the fact that, as they have mass, atoms tend to interfere with each other, which can theoretically influence the results.
However, and this is the really weird part, the arbitrary number generated to determine if the grating was added or not was only generated after the atom had passed through the crossroads. But, when the atom was measured at the end of its path – before the random number was generated – it already displayed the wave or particle characteristics applied by the grating after it had completed its journey.
According to Truscott, this means that if one chooses to believe that the atom really did take a particular path or paths, then one also has to accept that a future measurement is affecting the atom's past.
"The atoms did not travel from A to B. It was only when they were measured at the end of the journey that their wave-like or particle-like behavior was brought into existence," said Truscott. "It proves that measurement is everything. At the quantum level, reality does not exist if you are not looking at it."
http://www.gizmag.com/quantum-theory-reality-anu/37866/
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Reality does not exist if you are not looking at it. Reign in the horses of the five senses, halt the mental machinery of "observation", achieve Samadhi, experience the universal quantum ocean of creation the instant before the wave collapse. The fact that the measurement seems to affect the past is because all of space and time are connect in the quantum sea, Brahman, the source of all. These results support Sarfatti's theory that quantum radiation from the future can be detected in the present.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Sarfatti
Cosmo
Wanted to add this to this thread...
Z asked me in another thread: So how do we UNOBSERVE something and make it go away?
My reply below:
Our mental machinery is part of the "observation" process. When it is halted, the Eternal Illumination is revealed. We strongly identify with that mental machinery and it is a survival mechanism, so there can be resistance to the ego being transcended. The way is the way described in the Upanishads.
It's basically this:
The first part is relaxing the body and then halting the thought process. It is easier said than done. The internal dialogue can be difficult to halt and when the first level of consciousness is transcended, the sleep state is right below that and the tendency is to fall asleep. With perseverance one can achieve this and go into the deeper levels of consciousness. The deepest state is one of being surrounded by an infinite black void, just pure consciousness, no sense of body and no thoughts, just pure being in an infinite black void. At the point you have "reined in the horses of the five senses". The Upanishads describe what happens next:
Scroll up on this page a little and begin with Liberating Meditation:
https://books.google.com/books?id=FNzTC6Nmy6gC&pg=PA323&lpg=PA323&dq=upanishads+you+may+see+lightning&source=bl&ots=dEC9U5W_Kf&sig=EV6hJwPuYF3x6dbtyGd5EfQr3vE&hl=en&sa=X&ei=IMeHVeSnH4amNv_Pg4AL&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=upanishads%20you%20may%20see%20lightning&f=true
And then signs of progress...
The snow, or lightning is the first glimpses of the energetic, timeless quantum ocean. You are at the point where the observation mechanism is being halted. The experience escalates into one of pure white light, incredible energy, bliss and is really beyond my ability to adequately describe. It is non-verbal and does not resemble anything in this physical universe.
Chinmoy knew...
http://www.srichinmoy.org/spirituality/concentration_meditation_contemplation/samadhi
There is a distinct point where you become aware that in order to proceed into that light, you must leave your "self" behind. Everything you know yourself to be becomes crystal clear and it is also clear that in order to go into that Eternal Illumination you must leave everything you know behind. It can be a frightening thing to do.
I think this is the original meaning of death, immersion in the living waters and rebirth. You must psychologically die in order to go into the illumination. Quite startling and not an easy thing to do.
Some of the techniques I found helpful come from Pranayama Yoga. This gets you in touch with your body and strengthens the mind/body connection and aids in relaxing of the body and mind.
This is something that can take years of practice and one may still not achieve Samadhi. Getting into the deeper levels can be difficult and it is written that a guru will be required. I think that is because it is so hard to get through the sleep level without going to sleep. It takes perseverance. There are also indications that this light energy, or illumination has some dangers associated with it. In KUNDALINI, written by Gopi Krishna, he describes his difficulties when this light energy was awakened incorrectly and there was an imbalance that created serious health consequences for him. He was eventually able to balance out the negative and positive energies and his description of his struggle is a very good read and most informative about this phenomenon. He also came to the conclusion, that even in his own Indian culture, this knowledge has been mostly lost in this modern age.
This is also the same divine light described in the Kabbalah that can be dangerous and is too much for man to observe directly, so it is filtered through the SEFIROTHS and translated into the material world we observe. This energetic state is also what the Gnostics called the Pleroma, the energetic state of things before they become the physical world. Just like the energetic quantum ocean that collapses upon observation into the universe we observe!!! It is also Maya, the illusion, the observer created, post collapse material world that springs forth from Brahman, the source of all, that can be experienced through meditation.
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A Thanka with all bija mantras on the chakras of Tantric Yoga, and the Sephiroth and path of kabbalah, with Hebrew and Sanskrit text describing the transformational process. Oils on canvas paintined by Gavin Shri Amneon - See more at: http://amneon.net/products-page/paintings/#sthash.PESZYZ8W.dpuf
I really like that! Yoga and Kabbalah...nice! The metaphysical core of both is so similar. I believe that is because their ancient source is India and the wisdom found in the ancient Sanskrit texts.
Yes, modern physics is discovering what the ancients told us. I don't know that we can un-observe something. Once observed, it is collapsed. But...we can halt the "observation" process and experience the quantum sea before collapse.
Cosmo
A nice, recent article about the Quantum Realm. There is much more in the link and some nice videos.
Three Experiments That Show Quantum Physics Is Real
Single Molecule Interference
hese days, the wave nature of matter has been demonstrated countless times, generally by showing interference between matter waves passing through two or more slits cut in a barrier. On the far side of the barrier, the waves interfere with each other to produce a pattern of bright and dark spots. Back in the day Richard Feynman famously said that interference of particles captures the essential mystery of quantum physics; at the time, this was still mostly a thought experiment, but in the intervening fifty years, the exact experiment he discussed has been done numerous times, with numerous particles.So, really, this one experiment contains everything you need to show conclusively that the wave nature of matter is a real phenomenon.
Quantum Non-Locality
The Aspect experiments show (fairly) conclusively that quantum physics is non-local, and that the universe is much stranger than it appears, or than Einstein would've liked it to be.
QED, the strange theory of light and matter.
So, as strange as the idea of material particles briefly appearing from empty space might seem, it's absolutely essential to explain our best measurements of physics. Virtual particles, like wave nature and non-locality, are an essential part of quantum physics, and absolutely confirmed by experiment.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/chadorzel/2015/07/20/three-experiments-that-show-quantum-physics-is-real/
Cosmo
Neural qubits: Quantum cognition based on synaptic nuclear spins
The pursuit of an understanding of the base machinery of the mind led early researchers to anatomical exhaustion. With neuroscience now in the throes of molecular mayhem and a waning biochemical bliss, physics is spicing things up with a host of eclectic quantum, spin, and isotopic novelties. While increases in electron spin content have been linked to anesthetic effects, nuclear spins have recently been implicated in a more rarefied and subtle phenomenon— neural quantum processing.
The possibility that quantum processing with nuclear spins might be operative in the brain is proposed and then explored. Phosphorus is identified as the unique biological element with a nuclear spin that can serve as a qubit for such putative quantum processing - a neural qubit - while the phosphate ion is the only possible qubit-transporter. We identify the "Posner molecule", Ca9(PO4)6, as the unique molecule that can protect the neural qubits on very long times and thereby serve as a (working) quantum-memory. A central requirement for quantum-processing is quantum entanglement. It is argued that the enzyme catalyzed chemical reaction which breaks a pyrophosphate ion into two phosphate ions can quantum entangle pairs of qubits. Posner molecules, formed by binding such phosphate pairs with extracellular calcium ions, will inherit the nuclear spin entanglement. A mechanism for transporting Posner molecules into presynaptic neurons during a ``kiss and run" exocytosis, which releases neurotransmitters into the synaptic cleft, is proposed. Quantum measurements can occur when a pair of Posner molecules chemically bind and subsequently melt, releasing a shower of intra-cellular calcium ions that can trigger further neurotransmitter release and enhance the probability of post-synaptic neuron firing. Multiple entangled Posner molecules, triggering non-local quantum correlations of neuron firing rates, would provide the key mechanism for neural quantum processing. Implications, both in vitro and in vivo, are briefly mentioned.
So, could it be said another way? Our mental machinery's link to the quantum field is directly tied to subatomic vortices at the neural level? Could it be possible than when the mental machinery is in a placid state, the quantum link is revealed? Some ancient alien theorists say....yes! lol
http://phys.org/news/2015-08-neural-qubits-quantum-cognition-based.html
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Sorry for the lengthy post, but this is very good.
Neuroscience's New Consciousness Theory Is Spiritual
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It appears that we are approaching a unique time in the history of man and science where empirical measures and deductive reasoning can actually inform us spiritually. Integrated Information Theory (IIT)--put forth by neuroscientists Giulio Tononi and Christof Koch--is a new framework that describes a way to experimentally measure the extent to which a system is conscious.
As such, it has the potential to answer questions that once seemed impossible, like "which is more conscious, a bat or a beetle?" Furthermore, the theory posits that any system that processes and integrates information, be it organic or inorganic, experiences the world subjectively to some degree. Plants, smartphones, the Internet--even protons--are all examples of such systems. The result is a cosmos composed of a sentient fabric.But before getting into the bizarreness of all that, let's talk a little about how we got to this point.
The decline and demise of the mystical
As more of the natural world is described objectively and empirically, belief in the existence of anything that defies current scientific explanation is fading at a faster rate than ever before. The majority of college-educated individuals no longer accept the supernatural and magical accounts of physical processes given by religious holy books. Nor do they believe in the actuality of mystical realms beyond life that offer eternal bliss or infinite punishment for the "souls" of righteous or evil men.
This is because modern science has achieved impeccable performance when it comes to explaining phenomena previously thought to be unexplainable. In this day and age, we have complete scientific descriptions of virtually everything. We understand what gives rise to vacuous black holes and their spacetime geometries. We know how new species of life can evolve and the statistical rules that govern such processes. We even have a pretty good understanding of the exact moment in which the universe, and thus of all reality, came into existence! But no serious and informed scientist will tell you that at present we fully understand the thing each of us knows best. That is, our own consciousness.
One of science's last greatest mysteries
Although we've come along way since the time of Descartes, who postulated that consciousness was actually some immaterial spirit not subject to physical law, we still don't have a complete and satisfactory account of the science underlying experience. We simply don't know how to quantify it. And if we can't do that, how do we know whether those non-human life forms that are unable to communicate with us are also conscious? Does it feel like anything to be a cat? Most will probably agree that it does, but how about a ladybug? If so, how can we know which life forms are more conscious than others? Do animals that show impressively intelligent behavior and elaborate memory, like dolphins or crows, experience the world in a unified conscious fashion as we do? These questions are almost impossible to answer without a way to measure consciousness. Fortunately, a neuroscientific theory that has been gaining popular acceptance aims to do just that.
Integrated Information Theory to the Rescue
Integrated Information Theory (IIT), which has become quite a hot topic in contemporary neuroscience, claims to provide a precise way to measure consciousness and express the phenomenon in purely mathematical terms. The theory was put forth by psychiatrist and neuroscientist Giulio Tononi, and has attracted some highly regarded names in the science community. One such name is Christof Koch, Chief Scientific Officer at the Allen Institute for Brain Science, who now champions the idea along with Tononi. Koch may be best-known for bringing consciousness research into the mainstream of neuroscience through his long-term collaboration with the late DNA co-discoverer Francis Crick. Now Tononi and Koch are actively researching the theory along with an increasing number of scientists, some from outside the field of neuroscience like esteemed physicist and popular author Max Tegmark, who is joining the ranks of those who believe they've figured out how to reduce one of science's greatest secrets to numbers. Bits of information to be exact.
Okay, so we now know that the theory is kind of a big deal to notable scientists. But how exactly does IIT attempt to quantify something as ill-defined and seemingly elusive as consciousness?
IIT in a nutshell
Just like a computer, the brain stores and processes information. But it is how that information is shared throughout the brain network that gives rise to our rich and vivid conscious experience. Let's consider the act of observing a sunset. Thanks to advances in brain imaging, modern neuroscience tells us that there are a number of different and distinct regions active during this event, each of which process information about different features of that event separately. There's a region in the visual cortex (known as "V2") that processes the form and color of the yellow and orange sunrays against the clouds. There are auditory areas in the temporal lobe being fed information about the sound of the wind rushing past you as you stare off into the horizon. That rushing wind against your skin also generates patterns of electrical signals in the somatosensory cortex that create a sense of touch. There are many different things going on in distant places.
Yet somehow we perceive it all as one unified conscious experience.
According to IIT, this unified experience relies on the brain's ability to fuse together (or integrate) all that incoming sensory information as a whole. To measure the degree of integration, Tononi has taken mathematical principles formulated by American engineer Claude Shannon, who developed a scientific theory of information midway through the 20th century to describe data transmission, and applied them to the brain. IIT claims that these information measures allow one to calculate an exact number that represents the degree of integrated information that exists in a brain at any given moment. Tononi chooses to call this metric "Phi" (or ?), which serves as an index for consciousness. The greater the Phi, the more conscious the system. It need not matter whether it's the nervous system of a child, or a cat, or even a ladybug.
Problem solved?
Sounds simple and straight forward enough, doesn't it? Isn't this what science has strived to do all along? To describe things objectively and strip away all mystery from foggily understood natural phenomena? Could this be the solution to demystifying consciousness, the thing philosophers have been battling over for centuries? It may certainly answer some very important questions, but when you follow the theory to its logical conclusions things get pretty weird, and also, well, kind of neat. But before we get to the weird conclusions let's start with the weird questions, which have essentially been ignored by modern physical science, and at first ponder may even seem unremarkable.
Some hard questions
How can physical processing create inner, subjective experience?
How can matter possess first person perspective?
How can mere electrical signals produce qualitative sensation and awareness?
Why should information "feel" like anything in the first place?
These questions are functionally synonymous and define what philosophers have dubbed the "hard problem of consciousness," a concept that many neuroscientists have embraced. Conversely, the "easy problem" (although it is also extremely difficult) is figuring out all the computational and cognitive mechanisms underlying consciousness, which is categorically different than describing experience. Previously, science has only concentrated on solving those questions related to the "easy problem of consciousness." Some still believe that questions about subjective experience can't be answered quantitatively, and are therefore only appropriate topics for philosophy. Others handle the situation by refusing to acknowledge the existence of consciousness altogether! However, the truth of consciousness is self-evident, and denying it is equivalent to denying one's own existence. IIT is unique in that it recognizes consciousness as a real phenomenon that can be described objectively and mathematically.
But does IIT really address the "hard problem of consciousness," i.e., how subjective experience arises from the physical?
The answer is not quite.
The brain stores and processes information, but how and why that information takes on the characteristic of "feeling like something" is left unexplained. IIT tells us how to measure the degree of consciousness (Phi or ?), but does not tell us how different types of information acquire different subjective sensations, like the feel of a burning flame or an orgasm. As stated by philosopher Ned Block, it may be that Phi is correlated with consciousness, but does not play a role in its cause.
So how do proponents of Integrated Information Theory attempt to explain subjective experience?
Christof Koch's answer: Consciousness is a fundamental property of the universe. Wherever there is integrated information, there is experience. The theory takes its existence as a given and therefore doesn't have to explain the mechanism behind it. It's just a fact of nature that information has an inner side in addition to its bit-composed outer side.
Let's follow the logic of this idea and see how it holds up. We know that certain brain states feel like something. Brain states are just information states. Therefore, information feels like something. Sounds pretty solid. Under IIT, lower mammals like cats have conscious experience, as do insects, even if only to some miniscule degree. Such an idea would seem intuitive. Why should there be some magical point at which a nervous system spontaneously turns conscious, like a switch had been suddenly flipped? It is more likely that a continuum of experience exists along a gradient, going from the very simple, raw sensations of single celled organisms to the more complex qualitative awareness of the human-sort. But what about non-biological systems that integrate information?
Things start to get weird
What's interesting about IIT is that it doesn't require that a conscious entity be a living organism. Any system that can integrate information, whether it be carbon-based or composed of silicon chips and metal wires, should produce conscious states. As information processors, modern computers possess some amount of experience, but presumably so little that it may be undetectable by human observers. In fact, according to IIT, it actually feels like something to be your iPhone. This should please artificial intelligence researchers who often long for their creations to someday be "alive". In our technology driven world, IIT says that consciousness is both in our homes and in our hands.
Although all of this may seem pretty strange, the idea that machines can be conscious might not be entirely unfathomable, especially given the amount of science fiction that has instilled visions of self-aware robots into our psyche. Is this as far as the theory goes?
Nope.
If you are very clever (or perhaps very high) then upon reading the above you may have briefly considered the following question in some form or another. Aren't humans always exchanging information through a global network of interconnected computers that collectively store and integrate information in some complex fashion? Let's follow IIT down the rabbit hole.
The Internet wakes up
If we are to take IIT seriously, we must accept that a system such as the Internet can possess conscious states like that of a biological nervous system, as so long as information is being integrated in a similar fashion. This possibility has been explored by Christof Koch himself:
"Consider humankind's largest and most complex artifact, the Internet. It consists of billions of computers linked together using optical fibers and copper cables that rapidly instantiate specific connections using ultrafast communication protocols. Each of these processors in turn is made out of a few billion transistors. Taken as a whole, the Internet has perhaps 10^19 transistors, about the number of synapses in the brains of 10,000 people. Thus, its sheer number of components exceeds that of any one human brain. Whether or not the Internet today feels like something to itself is completely speculative. Still, it is certainly conceivable."
However, at the current time it seems highly unlikely that the Internet possesses the level of first-person experience as do you or I. Our brains have been shaped by evolution over millions of years in ways that have developed and refined its information processing capabilities. But still, the potential for a self-aware World Wide Web is surely there.
An information-based collective consciousness
That's right. The theory allows for the emergence of an abstract "superorganism" that is composed of many individual organisms. Many puzzling questions are to follow. If the web were to "wake up" so to speak, would it exhibit apparent forms of observable unified and coordinated behavior? Or would we simply be an unknowing unit in a larger system in the same way a neuron is unaware of its contribution to a mental state? It's not only fun to entertain the idea of a living entity that would possess essentially all the knowledge accumulated by humanity, but also scientifically productive.
In theory, there's almost no limit to how large a fully conscious system can grow and evolve in space. It is bound only by the rate of information and complexity growth, which we have seen tends to increase exponentially.
So far we've discussed consciousness that can span large distances with no palpable physical structure. But what about arrangements of information that are too small for the eye to see?
Protons that feel
IIT says that anything with a non-zero Phi has subjective experience. This includes subatomic particles. Koch writes:
"Even simple matter has a modicum of ? [integrated information]. Protons and neutrons consist of a triad of quarks that are never observed in isolation. They constitute an infinitesimal integrated system."
This has profound consequences. It would mean that consciousness is spread throughout space like a cosmic web of experience. Of course awareness is greatest where there is significant information integration, but in essence, "mind" (or "psyche") is everywhere. IIT turns out to be a modern twist on an ancient philosophical view known as "panpsychism". But before you go dismissing the concept because of its name, you should know that intellectual heavy hitters such as Baruch Spinoza, Gottfried Leibniz, and William James are all considered panpsychists. Its central tenant is that all matter has a mental aspect, which makes consciousness universal. Koch goes on:
"The entire cosmos is suffused with sentience. We are surrounded and immersed in consciousness; it is in the air we breathe, the soil we tread on, the bacteria that colonize our intestines, and the brain that enables us to think."
A new spirituality constrained by science
So far Integrated Information Theory is the best candidate for a scientific doctrine that provides an objective description of consciousness. As such, it deserves that we consider the possibility of such seemingly radical ideas. Pondering questions previously deemed appropriate only for pot smoking college dorm-dwellers is now a task for the best and brightest scientific minds. Most rational thinkers will agree that the idea of a personal god who gets angry when we masturbate and routinely disrupts the laws of physics upon prayer is utterly ridiculous. This theory doesn't give credence to anything of the sort. It simply reveals an underlying harmony in nature, and a sweeping mental presence that isn't confined to biological systems. IIT's inevitable logical conclusions and philosophical implications are both elegant and precise. What it yields is a new kind of scientific spirituality that paints a picture of a soulful existence that even the most diehard materialist or devout atheist can unashamedly get behind.
"The religion of the future will be a cosmic religion. It should transcend personal God and avoid dogma and theology. Covering both the natural and the spiritual, it should be based on a religious sense arising from the experience of all things natural and spiritual as a meaningful unity." -Albert Einstein
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bobby-azarian/post_10079_b_8160914.html
Yes, all of creation is suffused with sentience. It is the primary medium, the universal ocean of creation, containing all of space and time and everything is connected in it...and we can know it. Gnosis...Samadhi.
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Quantum Physics And The Need For A New Paradigm
Transactional Interpretation
It turns out that if we apply Heisenberg's insight to an intriguing interpretation of quantum theory called the transactional interpretation (TI), we gain a unified understanding of all three paradoxical aspects of quantum theory.
TI was originally proposed by John G. Cramer, professor emeritus at the University of Washington. Its key feature is that the process of absorption of a quantum state is just as important as the process of emission of a quantum state. This symmetry is nicely consistent with relativistic quantum theory, in which quantum states are both created and destroyed. But it comes with a counterintuitive feature: The absorption (or destruction) process involves quantum states with negative energy. For this reason, TI has generally been neglected by the mainstream physics community.
However, it turns out that if you include this "response of the absorber," you get a solution to the so-called "measurement problem" — the problem of Schrödinger's Cat. A clear physical account can be given for why the cat does not end up in a "fuzzy" superposition of alive and dead. We even get a natural explanation for the rule used to calculate the probabilities of measurement outcomes (the so-called "Born Rule" after its inventor, Max Born).
In TI, the "collapse of the quantum state" is called a transaction, because it involves an "offer" from the emitter and a "confirmation" from the absorber, much like the negotiation in a financial transaction. When these occur, we get a "measurement," and that allows us to define what a measurement is — and explains why we never see things like cats in quantum superpositions. But, in the new development of TI, the offers and confirmations are only possibilities — they are outside the realm of ordinary space-time. In fact, it is the transactional processes that creates space-time events: "Collapse" is the crystallizing of the possibilities of the quantum realm into the concrete actualities of the space-time realm. So, collapse is not something that happens anywhere in space-time. It is the creation of space-time itself.
http://www.npr.org/sections/13.7/2015/09/27/443899221/quantum-physics-and-the-need-for-a-new-paradigm
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"Collapse is the crystallizing of the possibilities of the quantum realm"
Yes! Everything we can observe, think, know or believe is crystalized, in the past, fixed in space time an instant removed from the act of creation. The "observation" collapses the quantum wave into the material universe we perceive...the creation of the space-time itself.
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The Transactional Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics and Samadhi
In TI, the "collapse of the quantum state" is called a transaction, because it involves an "offer" from the emitter and a "confirmation" from the absorber, much like the negotiation in a financial transaction. When these occur, we get a "measurement," and that allows us to define what a measurement is — and explains why we never see things like cats in quantum superpositions. But, in the new development of TI, the offers and confirmations are only possibilities — they are outside the realm of ordinary space-time. In fact, it is the transactional processes that creates space-time events: "Collapse" is the crystallizing of the possibilities of the quantum realm into the concrete actualities of the space-time realm. So, collapse is not something that happens anywhere in space-time. It is the creation of space-time itself.
The quantum wave transaction involves a sender and a receiver. When you halt the mental machinery and rein in the horses of the fives senses as descibed in the Upanisads, you are shutting down the receiver of the quantum signal. The "observation" is the action of the reciever and when the receiver is quiesced, the quantum wave does not collapse and Brahman, the infinite, timeless quantum realm is revealed.
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'Zeno effect' verified: Atoms won't move while you watch
One of the oddest predictions of quantum theory – that a system can't change while you're watching it – has been confirmed in an experiment by Cornell physicists. Their work opens the door to a fundamentally new method to control and manipulate the quantum states of atoms and could lead to new kinds of sensors.
Graduate students Yogesh Patil and Srivatsan Chakram created and cooled a gas of about a billion Rubidium atoms inside a vacuum chamber and suspended the mass between laser beams. In that state the atoms arrange in an orderly lattice just as they would in a crystalline solid. But at such low temperatures the atoms can "tunnel" from place to place in the lattice. The famous Heisenberg uncertainty principle says that position and velocity of a particle are related and cannot be simultaneously measured precisely. Temperature is a measure of a particle's motion. Under extreme cold velocity is almost zero, so there is a lot of flexibility in position; when you observe them, atoms are as likely to be in one place in the lattice as another.
The researchers demonstrated that they were able to suppress quantum tunneling merely by observing the atoms. This so-called "Quantum Zeno effect," named for a Greek philosopher, derives from a proposal in 1977 by E.C. George Sudarshan and Baidyanath Misra at the University of Texas, Austin, who pointed out that the weird nature of quantum measurements allows, in principle, for a quantum system to be "frozen" by repeated measurements.
Previous experiments have demonstrated the Zeno effect with the "spins" of subatomic particles. "This is the first observation of the Quantum Zeno effect by real space measurement of atomic motion," Vengalattore said. "Also, due to the high degree of control we've been able to demonstrate in our experiments, we can gradually 'tune' the manner in which we observe these atoms. Using this tuning, we've also been able to demonstrate an effect called 'emergent classicality' in this quantum system." Quantum effects fade, and atoms begin to behave as expected under classical physics.
Able to halt the tunneling effect merely by observing the atoms...
More evidence of the connection between the observer and the quantum wave collapse. This supports the Transactional Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics. It is significant that this is being observed as large as the atomic scale. Quiesce the receiver and the quantum realm is revealed.
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forgot the link:
http://news.cornell.edu/stories/2015/10/zeno-effect-verified-atoms-wont-move-while-you-watch
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This is from last year but is good...
Two quantum mysteries merged into one:
An international team of researchers has proved that two peculiar features of the quantum world – previously considered distinct – are different manifestations of the same thing. The result is published 19 December in Nature Communications.
Patrick Coles, Jedrzej Kaniewski, and Stephanie Wehner made the breakthrough while at the Centre for Quantum Technologies at the National University of Singapore. They found that 'wave-particle duality' is simply the quantum 'uncertainty principle' in disguise, reducing two mysteries to one.
"The connection between uncertainty and wave-particle duality comes out very naturally when you consider them as questions about what information you can gain about a system. Our result highlights the power of thinking about physics from the perspective of information," says Wehner, who is now an Associate Professor at QuTech at the Delft University of Technology in the Netherlands.
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Quantum physics says that particles can behave like waves, and vice versa. Research published in Nature Communications shows that this 'wave-particle duality' is simply the quantum uncertainty principle in disguise.
http://www.quantumlah.org/highlight/141220_wave_particle.php
Yes! Our entire physical reality relies on the "observation" of the quantum wave state, collapsing it into a particle. From particle to atom to molecule, all are simply distortions in a medium that are "translated" by the "receiver" into the universe we observe, Maya. The wave collapse is superluminal, non-local, and thus all is non-local, entangled in Brahman, the eternal illumination. Rein in the horses...
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These Bouncing Droplets Could Help Resolve a 90-Year Mystery of Quantum Mechanics
These Bouncing Droplets Could Help Resolve a 90-Year Mystery of Quantum Mechanics
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The drops of silicon oil bobbing in this mesmerizing video do more than create aesthetically satisfying ripples across a slick surface. They could be indirect evidence of an alternate solution to a nagging question in quantum mechanics — one that dates back almost a century.
The video is among the winners of this year's Gallery of Fluid Motion, an annual competition of the American Physical Society's Division of Fluid Dynamics. It stems from a 2013 experiment performed by MIT physicists Daniel Harris and John Bush that provided a toy model for so-called "pilot waves": hypothetical ripples in space-time that could carry subatomic particles along like so many buoys bobbing on a watery surface.
At the 1927 Solvay conference, French physicist Louis de Broglie first proposed the existence of pilot waves as an alternative to the troubling notion of a wave function. You know the drill; it's the essence of Schroedinger's famous cat paradox. All possible outcomes exist in a superposition of states, described by an equation called the wave function (aka the cat is alive and dead at the same time). When a measurement is made (we look in the box), it causes the wave function to collapse into a single state (the cat is either alive or dead).
These Bouncing Droplets Could Help Resolve a 90-Year Mystery of Quantum Mechanics
In his pilot wave theory, de Broglie suggested replacing the wave function with two equations: "one describing a real, physical wave, and another tying the trajectory of an actual, concrete particle to the variables in that wave equation, as if the particle interacts with and is propelled by the wave rather than being defined by it," Natalie Wolchover wrote in Quanta last year.
Pilot waves have never been directly observed, but experiments over the last ten years involving bouncing oil droplets over vats of vibrating liquid have revived interest in de Broglie's idea. Toss a pebble into a pond and it will produce rippling waves traveling outward.
The same thing happens in the droplet experiments, with a twist: if the vibrations are tuned to just the right frequency — i.e., close to the droplet's natural resonance frequency — there will be an intriguing interference effect. Not only does the droplet produce ripples as it bounces, but it can interact with those ripples, and this will affect its trajectory. That's the pilot wave concept in a nutshell: just replace the droplet with a subatomic particle.
Apart from the implications for quantum mechanics, this is also a very cool fluid dynamics experiment. To create their video, Harris and Bush filled a shallow tray with a circular trough in the center with silicon oil and mounted it on a vibrating stand. Then they tuned the stand to various frequencies and watched to see how the droplets' behavior changed around a specific threshold frequency. As I wrote last year:
Above that threshold, the roiling sea of waves will interfere with the droplet's walk. Below it, the surface remains smooth except for the waves produced by the bouncing droplet. The closer one tunes the vibrations to that threshold, the more robust and long-lived the generated pilot waves will be.
When the bouncing droplet produced waves, those waves bounced off the walls and interfered with each other, producing pretty interference patterns. They also affected the trajectory of the droplet. At first it looked like it was bouncing along randomly, but over time (around 20 minutes), the droplet was far more likely to drift towards the center of the circle, and increasingly less likely to be found in the rippling rings spreading out from that center.
The basic experimental set-up involves a loudspeaker, a smart phone, and a screen with a striped pattern. Then the fun begins. We see first one, two, three, and four bouncing droplets, each creating ripples in the silicon oil, followed by a series of droplets arranged in a honeycomb-like lattice. The researchers next used a high-speed camera to create some nifty strobing effects: in one version, the droplet appears to glide across the surface of the oil; in another, the droplet appears to gain "hang time," pausing just a little bit longer mid-air with every bounce.
http://gizmodo.com/these-bouncing-droplets-could-help-resolve-a-90-year-my-1744813581
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A Mesmerizing Animation Shows Just How Weird Our Solar System Is.
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NASA's Kepler space telescope spotted thousands of worlds during its four-year mission, proving that our galaxy is filled with planets. But even more surprising is what the Kepler database highlights about our own solar system: namely, that we're a bunch of celestial oddballs.
That fact is made obvious by Kepler Orrery IV, an animation produced by astronomy graduate student Ethan Kruse of the University of Washington. In it, Kruse compares the orbits of hundreds of exoplanets in the Kepler database to that of our own solar system, shown on the right. The animation indicates the relative size of the Kepler planets (although obviously not to scale compared with their stars), as well as their surface temperatures.
Once you get over the hypnotic effect of all those twirling dots, you'll start to notice just how strange our planetary choreography is. Before the Kepler mission began in 2009, astronomers assumed that most exoplanet systems would be constructed like our own: small rocky worlds toward the center, large gas giants hovering around the periphery. But when scientists started detecting planetary transit events en masse, we realized we weren't being nearly imaginative enough.
Kepler revealed "hot Jupiters," jumbo-sized gas planets practically touching their parent stars, and rocky lava worlds orbiting much closer than Mercury. As Kruse explains, the nature of Kepler's detection method is biased toward planets in tight orbits. "Smaller systems orbit faster, so over the four years of Kepler's life we observe many more transits which makes them easier to find," he told Gizmodo. "Also, smaller systems have a higher probability to be aligned just the right way for the planet to pass in front of the star creating the transit signal Kepler needs to notice a planet."
"That said, it is interesting just how common these very compact systems are," he continued. "[It] has made a number of astronomers wonder why our Solar System doesn't have any very short period planets."
One theory posits that our Solar System once harbored a primordial clan of planets on tight, but unstable orbits. Perhaps these luckless worlds fell into the Sun or were flung violently out of the Solar System long ago. "It's still too early to tell, but these very compact Kepler systems are definitely helping us refine our theories about planet formation," Kruse said.
Kepler Orrery IV—the "sequel" to the Kepler Orrery series produced over the years by the University of Santa Cruz's Dan Fabrycky—shows all of the Kepler multi-planet systems to date (1705 planets in 685 systems). Kepler's primary mission ended in 2013 after the space telescope lost two of its stabilizing reaction wheels, but the trove of information it collected has continued to yield discoveries ever since.
"[Fabricky] has been busy and hadn't released [a Kepler Orrery] in two years even though we've probably at least doubled the amount of known planets and systems since then," Kruse said. "Now that the Kepler mission is over, this will likely be pretty close to the final version."
Kruse, for his part, hopes to continue sharing science and data with the public through clever animations, so we're excited to see what he cooks up next.
http://gizmodo.com/a-mesmerizing-animation-shows-just-how-weird-our-solar-1745536355
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Magnetic fields detected near black hole at Milky Way center
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For the first time, astronomers have observed magnetic fields just outside a black hole's event horizon. The fields were located near the supermassive black hole at the center of the Milky Way galaxy, Sgr A* or Sagittarius A-star.
Researchers shared their observations in the latest issue of the journal Science.
"Understanding these magnetic fields is critical. Nobody has been able to resolve magnetic fields near the event horizon until now," lead study author Michael Johnson, a scientist at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, said in a press release.
The event horizon is the edge of the area of space-time in which gravitational pull of a black hole can be seen to affect matter and energy.
"These magnetic fields have been predicted to exist, but no one has seen them before. Our data puts decades of theoretical work on solid observational ground," explained principal investigator Shep Doeleman, also a CfA researcher and assistant director of MIT's Haystack Observatory.
Though Sgr A* is 4 million times the mass of the sun, its event horizon stretches just 8 million miles across. At 25,000 light-years away, it's very hard to zoom in on with even the most powerful telescopes. But because the gravity of supermassive black holes' warp the light as matter and energy is sucked to its center, the event horizon appears magnified.
The magnetic fields were seen using the Event Horizon Telescope, which isn't a single telescope but a system of radio telescopes working in coordination around the world. Scientists used the network to study the polarized light surrounding Sagittarius A-star.
Polarized light is emitted by electrons spinning around the lines of the black hole's magnetic fields, thus revealing the fields themselves.
The field lines surrounding the event horizon were varied. In some regions they appeared disorganized and tangled, featuring intertwined loops. In other regions they were more patterned. Researchers believe such regions might be the birthplace of the jets shot out by the black hole's accretion disk.
"Once again, the galactic center is proving to be a more dynamic place than we might have guessed," says Johnson. "Those magnetic fields are dancing all over the place."
http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2015/12/03/Magnetic-fields-detected-near-black-hole-at-Milk-Way-center/5451449171335/
The Universe is Dying? Now What?
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Paul Sutter is a visiting scholar at The Ohio State University's Center for Cosmology and AstroParticle Physics (CCAPP). Sutter is also host of the podcasts Ask a Spaceman and RealSpace, and the YouTube series Space In Your Face. He contributed this article to Space.com's Expert Voices: Op-Ed & Insights.
Yes, the universe is dying. Get over it.
Well, let's back up. The universe, as defined as "everything there is, in total summation," isn't going anywhere anytime soon. Or ever. If the universe changes into something else far into the future, well then, that's just more universe, isn't it?
But all the stuff in the universe? That's a different story. When we're talking all that stuff, then yes, everything in the universe is dying, one miserable day at a time.
I mentioned in my last article (What Triggered the Big Bang?) how revolutionary the modern cosmological paradigm is: We don't live in a static, unchanging universe, but a dynamic one that has been around for a finite amount of time and will continue to change into its future. But what I didn't mention before is how agonizingly slow, painful and dreary the whole process will be.
You may not realize it by looking at the night sky, but the ultimate darkness is already settling in. Stars first appeared on the cosmic stage rather early — more than 13 billion years ago; just a few hundred million years into this Great Play. But there's only so much stuff in the universe, and only so many opportunities to make balls of it dense enough to ignite nuclear fusion, creating the stars that fight against the relentless night.
The expansion of the universe dilutes everything in it, meaning there are fewer and fewer chances to make the nuclear magic happen. And around 10 billion years ago, the expansion reached a tipping point. The matter in the cosmos was spread too thin. The engines of creation shut off. The curtain was called: the epoch of peak star formation has already passed, and we are currently living in the wind-down stage. Stars are still born all the time, but the birth rate is dropping.
At the same time, that dastardly dark energy is causing the expansion of the universe to accelerate, ripping galaxies away from each other faster than the speed of light (go ahead, say that this violates some law of physics, I dare you), drawing them out of the range of any possible contact — and eventually, visibility — with their neighbors. With the exception of the Andromeda Galaxy and a few pathetic hangers-on, no other galaxies will be visible. We'll become very lonely in our observable patch of the universe.
The infant universe was a creature of heat and light, but the cosmos of the ancient future will be a dim, cold animal.
The only consolation is the time scale involved. You thought 14 billion years was a long time? The numbers I'm going to present are ridiculous, even with exponential notation. You can't wrap your head around it. They're just ... big.
For starters, we have at least 2 trillion years until the last sun is born, but the smallest stars will continue to burn slow and steady for another 100 trillion years in a cosmic Children of Men. Our own sun will be long gone by then, heaving off its atmosphere within the next 5 billion years and charcoaling the Earth. Around the same time, the Milky Way and Andromeda galaxies will collide, making a sorry mess of the local system.
At the end of this 100-trillion-year "stelliferous" era, the universe will only be left with the ... well, leftovers: white dwarves (some cooled to black dwarves), neutron stars and black holes. Lots of black holes.
Welcome to the Degenerate Era, a state that is as sad as it sounds. But even that isn't the end game. Oh no, it gets worse. After countless gravitational interactions, planets will get ejected from their decaying systems and galaxies themselves will dissolve. Losing cohesion, our local patch of the universe will be a disheveled wreck of a place, with dim, dead stars scattered about randomly and black holes haunting the depths.
The early universe was a very strange place, and the late universe will be equally bizarre. Given enough time, things that seem impossible become commonplace, and objects that appear immutable ... uh, mutate. Through a process called quantum tunneling, any solid object will slowly "leak" atoms, dissolving. Because of this, gone will be the white dwarves, the planets, the asteroids, the solid.
Even fundamental particles are not immune: given 1034 years, the neutrons in neutron stars will break apart into their constituent particles. We don't yet know if the proton is stable, but if it isn't, it's only got 1040 years before it meets its end.
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With enough time (and trust me, we've got plenty of time), the universe will consist of nothing but light particles (electrons, neutrinos and their ilk), photons and black holes. The black holes themselves will probably dissolve via Hawking Radiation, briefly illuminating the impenetrable darkness as they decay.
After 10100 years (but who's keeping track at this point?), nothing macroscopic remains. Just a weak soup of particles and photons, spread so thin that they hardly ever interact.
And then? Who knows? When you're contemplating such unfathomable time scales, it's hard to say. Maybe the universe will just continue cooling off, erasing temperature differences, making engines and computation — and cognition — effectively impossible.
But maybe our universe is just a small patch of a larger framework, and while our branch is dying, another piece of the greater cosmos is just now entering its glorious star-forming days. Not that you'll ever be able to reach it, but it's a small comfort. Maybe a chance fluctuation will ignite a new Big Bang. Maybe whatever's driving Dark Energy will reveal its true nature, decaying into a shower of matter, breathing fresh life into a broken-down cosmos. Maybe ... maybe ... maybe ... Maybe not.
http://www.space.com/31282-the-universe-is-dying.html
Hi Astro,
I did read the the article about the pilot wave research. Very interesting and maybe there are applications there for quantum manipulation.
I also keep in mind what Professor Higgs said about the Higgs Boson. He said that it is not really a particle, but instead is a distortion of the Higgs Field which I think also the case with all matter and energy being distortions in a primary medium that pervades space/time. So the analogy with the fluid pilot wave and a separate particle is not quite the same. Everything we can observe is a distortion in a primary medium that pervades all of space and time, not separate from it and everything is united in that field and that is also the physics of elevated consciousness. That quantum field is the probability ocean. Everything we can see is the result of that raw stuff of creation being forged by the observer into the material universe we observe.
As for the universe dying, that may be so if you don't accept the multiverse theory.
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=6829.msg95746#msg95746
A flow of space time into the vortex of a black hole, creating another volume of space time is the model I think fits in with the way the universe does things. It would appear it is a multi-verse with positive space-time pressure that is driving the expansion of our universe and the flow of ETHER into black holes, spawning more universes and I think this model extends all the way down to the subatomic scale and is what drives subatomic rotation of black-hole-subatomic-particles, resulting in gravity. As long as the flow continues the multiverse continues to unfold, like a plant does, expanding and replicating in a fractal manner into the true vacuum.
(http://www.tcdesign.net/Fractals/cosmos.jpg)
Cosmo
Time to knock the dust off of this thread! lol
I have always been a fan of the physicist Bohm and his relationship with Krishnamurti was a rare, beautiful thing.
wiki: David Joseph Bohm FRS[1] (December 20, 1917 – October 27, 1992) was an American scientist who has been described as one of the most significant theoretical physicists of the 20th century[2] and who contributed innovative and unorthodox ideas to quantum theory, neuropsychology and the philosophy of mind.
Here is some more validation for the non-local nature of our universe.
Quantum weirdness may hide an orderly reality after all:
in 1952, Bohm suggested that the quantum world only appears weird because we don't know enough about its underlying reality. Beneath the quantum weirdness, he said, reality is orderly.
"It's a very deterministic description, where all the particles in nature have definite positions and follow definite trajectories," says Aephraim Steinberg of the University of Toronto in Canada.
Many recent experiments have suggested that no such hidden reality exists. However, they have only ruled out a specific class of theories in which the hidden reality of any particle is local, and not influenced by something far away.
Bohm's ideas involve non-local hidden reality, in which everything depends on everything. In his universe, something happening in a distant galaxy is influencing you right now and vice versa, however minor the effect.
Take the debate over whether an electron is a wave or a particle. Bohm's theory says that it's both: an electron is a particle with a definite trajectory, but this path is governed by a wave upon which the electron rides. The wave can also be influenced by other particles, which in turn changes the trajectory of the electron.
Bohm is back
Now Steinberg and colleagues have performed the ESSW experiment themselves – and concluded that Bohm is back in the game.
They started with pairs of entangled photons, which are so intimately related that measuring the polarisation state of one affects the polarisation state of the other, no matter how far apart they are. One of each pair was sent into apparatus analogous to the double-slit set-up.
Depending on whether its polarisation was vertical or horizontal, the photon was steered towards either the top or bottom slit. As it traversed the apparatus, the researchers probed its position gently enough to preserve its quantum nature. Each measurement gave only an approximate value, but by tracking a vast ensemble of identical photons, they were able to reconstruct the set of trajectories the photons followed from the slit to the screen.
The other photon of each pair remained outside the double-slit apparatus, allowing the researchers to use it as a probe – analogous to the detector in the ESSW experiment. Because of their entanglement, the probe's polarisation should dutifully reflect the slit its partner took as it entered the apparatus. And indeed, at the start of the trajectory, the probe photon's polarisation state accurately mirrored the path its partner took.
The team kept measuring the probe's photon state as its partner sped through the apparatus, and found that the polarisation kept changing. For example, if it was horizontally polarised to start with, this suggested that its partner went through the bottom slit.
But by the time the partner reached the screen, the probe photon had ended up in a superposition of both states, equally likely to be horizontally or vertically polarised. Depending on when you looked at the probe photon's state, you either got correct information about its partner's path, or would be led astray.
Real world
The team thinks this means that the trajectory of the first photon changed the probe's polarisation – in line with Bohm's ideas on non-local interactions. This could resolve the problem identified by the ESSW thought experiment. ESSW thought the problem lay with the photon's trajectory, but Steinberg and his colleagues showed that the trajectory is real – but the detector is an unreliable witness.
"I'm happy to see this resolution. It restores my taste for Bohmian mechanics," says Steinberg. "We want to bring it back to its rightful place among all other interpretations."
Hiley is impressed by the experiment. "It is a new way of looking at quantum non-locality, which vindicates the Bohm position," he says.
Sheldon Goldstein, an expert on the foundations of quantum mechanics at Rutgers University in New Jersey, points out that the experiment's observation of particle trajectories predicted by Bohmian mechanics does not prove that Bohm's theory on the nature of reality was correct. Such paths can also be explained using other theories, he says.
But Goldstein says there are changes afoot. "After decades and decades, people are taking Bohmian mechanics a little bit more seriously," he says. "There was a time when you couldn't even talk about it because it was heretical. It probably still is the kiss of death for a physics career to be actually working on Bohm, but maybe that's changing."
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2078251-quantum-weirdness-may-hide-an-orderly-reality-after-all/
"I would say that in my scientific and philosophical work, my main concern has been with understanding the nature of reality in general and of consciousness in particular as a coherent whole, which is never static or complete but which is an unending process of movement and unfoldment...."
(David Bohm: Wholeness and the Implicate Order)
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"contributed innovative and unorthodox ideas to quantum theory, neuropsychology and the philosophy of mind"...I think those multiple areas of study gave him a better view of the true nature of reality and that approach is the only way we will ever be able to understand the connection between the quantum realm and the universe we perceive. All of creation is connected in that realm.
Cosmo
Quantum weirdness may hide an orderly reality after all.
Another David Bohm Article...
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Often brushed aside like a forgotten stepchild, a 64-year-old theory of quantum mechanics may now share the stage with its more well-regarded siblings. If it holds up, it might lend support to ideas that the universe is improbably interconnected across vast distances.
The theory, by physicist David Bohm, has been resurrected after researchers carried out experiments on photons that seemed to support it.
The behaviour of the quantum world has befuddled physicists for nearly a century. "We have had geniuses working on it and we still have a problem," says Basil Hiley, a quantum physicist at Birkbeck College at the University of London, who worked with Bohm until the latter's death in 1992.
Unlike the classical world, with its clockwork precision and pleasing predictability, the quantum world is rife with randomness.
The famous illustration is the double-slit experiment: if you fire photons at two slits, our classical intuition expects each to pass through one or the other slit and hit a screen on the other side, making a single mark indicative of its particle nature. But when you try it, the photons create an interference pattern of light and dark bands on the screen, as if each photon behaved like a wave and passed through both slits simultaneously.
The dominant explanation of such behaviour is called the Copenhagen interpretation, which states that the question of whether a photon is a wave or a particle has no meaning until you make a measurement – and then it becomes one or the other depending on which property you measure. The other favoured explanation is the many-worlds interpretation, under which each possible state of the photon becomes manifest in an alternate world.
Underlying order
But in 1952, Bohm suggested that the quantum world only appears weird because we don't know enough about its underlying reality. Beneath the quantum weirdness, he said, reality is orderly.
"It's a very deterministic description, where all the particles in nature have definite positions and follow definite trajectories," says Aephraim Steinberg of the University of Toronto in Canada.
Many recent experiments have suggested that no such hidden reality exists. However, they have only ruled out a specific class of theories in which the hidden reality of any particle is local, and not influenced by something far away.
Bohm's ideas involve non-local hidden reality, in which everything depends on everything. In his universe, something happening in a distant galaxy is influencing you right now and vice versa, however minor the effect.
Take the debate over whether an electron is a wave or a particle. Bohm's theory says that it's both: an electron is a particle with a definite trajectory, but this path is governed by a wave upon which the electron rides. The wave can also be influenced by other particles, which in turn changes the trajectory of the electron.
Surrealism
This "Bohmian mechanics" did not go down well with everyone. A 1992 thought experiment seemed to sound the death knell. Called the ESSW experiment after the initials of its four authors, it returned to the double-slit experiment with Bohm in mind.
Bohmian mechanics holds that a photon will either go through the top or the bottom slit, not both. Guided by their waves, the top ones will end up at the top half of the screen and the bottom ones at the bottom half.
The ESSW experiment added a twist. The researchers imagined a detector in front of the slits that could tell whether a photon went through the top or bottom one. Their mathematical analysis showed something very strange: a photon could sometimes trigger the top-slit detector, but end up at the bottom half of the screen. They called this forbidden path a "surreal" trajectory, although theorists at the time debated its validity.
Bohm is back
Now Steinberg and colleagues have performed the ESSW experiment themselves – and concluded that Bohm is back in the game.
They started with pairs of entangled photons, which are so intimately related that measuring the polarisation state of one affects the polarisation state of the other, no matter how far apart they are. One of each pair was sent into apparatus analogous to the double-slit set-up.
Depending on whether its polarisation was vertical or horizontal, the photon was steered towards either the top or bottom slit. As it traversed the apparatus, the researchers probed its position gently enough to preserve its quantum nature. Each measurement gave only an approximate value, but by tracking a vast ensemble of identical photons, they were able to reconstruct the set of trajectories the photons followed from the slit to the screen.
The other photon of each pair remained outside the double-slit apparatus, allowing the researchers to use it as a probe – analogous to the detector in the ESSW experiment. Because of their entanglement, the probe's polarisation should dutifully reflect the slit its partner took as it entered the apparatus. And indeed, at the start of the trajectory, the probe photon's polarisation state accurately mirrored the path its partner took.
The team kept measuring the probe's photon state as its partner sped through the apparatus, and found that the polarisation kept changing. For example, if it was horizontally polarised to start with, this suggested that its partner went through the bottom slit.
But by the time the partner reached the screen, the probe photon had ended up in a superposition of both states, equally likely to be horizontally or vertically polarised. Depending on when you looked at the probe photon's state, you either got correct information about its partner's path, or would be led astray.
Real world
The team thinks this means that the trajectory of the first photon changed the probe's polarisation – in line with Bohm's ideas on non-local interactions. This could resolve the problem identified by the ESSW thought experiment. ESSW thought the problem lay with the photon's trajectory, but Steinberg and his colleagues showed that the trajectory is real – but the detector is an unreliable witness.
"I'm happy to see this resolution. It restores my taste for Bohmian mechanics," says Steinberg. "We want to bring it back to its rightful place among all other interpretations."
Hiley is impressed by the experiment. "It is a new way of looking at quantum non-locality, which vindicates the Bohm position," he says.
Sheldon Goldstein, an expert on the foundations of quantum mechanics at Rutgers University in New Jersey, points out that the experiment's observation of particle trajectories predicted by Bohmian mechanics does not prove that Bohm's theory on the nature of reality was correct. Such paths can also be explained using other theories, he says.
But Goldstein says there are changes afoot. "After decades and decades, people are taking Bohmian mechanics a little bit more seriously," he says. "There was a time when you couldn't even talk about it because it was heretical. It probably still is the kiss of death for a physics career to be actually working on Bohm, but maybe that's changing."
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2078251-quantum-weirdness-may-hide-an-orderly-reality-after-all/
are you saying *to cut a long storey shor*t we all have super symmetrical twins ?
*shudders at the thought*
funbox
and with that now, if I sit and think about this dualistic super symmetrical twin, reciprocate yet opposite thoughts are considered , at unknown distance's, of me ?
:D
I suppose if there was a third party with the ability to observe both states, much would be gleaned :D
what an interesting position that would be
funbox
Quote from: funbox on February 20, 2016, 01:13:40 PM
are you saying *to cut a long storey shor*t we all have super symmetrical twins ?
*shudders at the thought*
funbox
lol Not sure about that one fb. It does present an interesting mental image.
What it does show us is that everything is connected, a complete whole. There is a medium that pervades the universe and we are all connected in it. It has been proven that the wave collapse into a particle takes place "non-locally", that is, faster than light and we cannot directly observe it because all of our thoughts are an instant AFTER the collapse. We are products of that collapse. It is the same wave universe indicated by the double slit experiment. A glimpse of the wave state of things is something that I think can be achieved and that is described in the Upanishads, as I posted earlier in this thread. The true alchemy.
Cosmo
Charles Fort
QuoteIt is our expression that nothing can attempt to be, except by attempting to exclude something else: that that which is commonly called "being" is a state that is wrought more or less definitely proportionately to the appearance of positive difference between that which is included and that which is excluded.
QuoteConventional monism, or that all "things" that seem to have identity of their own are only islands that are projections from something underlying, and have no real outlines of their own.
But that all "things," though only projections, are projections that are striving to break away from the underlying that denies them identity of their own.
I conceive of one inter-continuous nexus, in which and of which all seeming things are only different expressions, but in which all things are localizations of one attempt to break away and become real things, or to establish entity or positive difference or final demarcation or unmodified independence—or personality or soul, as it is called in human phenomena—
That anything that tries to establish itself as a real, or positive, or absolute system, government, organization, self, soul, entity, individuality, can so attempt only by drawing a line about itself, or about the inclusions that constitute itself, and damning or excluding, or breaking away from, all other "things":
http://sacred-texts.com/fort/damn/damn01.htm
Quote from: Dyna on February 20, 2016, 10:00:33 PM
Charles Forthttp://sacred-texts.com/fort/damn/damn01.htm
Nice Dyna. It's physics, it's metaphysics, there is no separation. The disconnectedness we observe is just an illusion. Maya.
Cosmo
Quote from: Dyna on February 20, 2016, 10:00:33 PM
Charles Forthttp://sacred-texts.com/fort/damn/damn01.htm
ah , that would be the inter continuous nexus :D
quaz-i-ly put maam :D
funbox
Quote from: COSMO on February 20, 2016, 08:26:38 PM
lol Not sure about that one fb. It does present an interesting mental image.
What it does show us is that everything is connected, a complete whole. There is a medium that pervades the universe and we are all connected in it. It has been proven that the wave collapse into a particle takes place "non-locally", that is, faster than light and we cannot directly observe it because all of our thoughts are an instant AFTER the collapse. We are products of that collapse. It is the same wave universe indicated by the double slit experiment. A glimpse of the wave state of things is something that I think can be achieved and that is described in the Upanishads, as I posted earlier in this thread. The true alchemy.
Cosmo
nor me , ive been trying all afternoon to get in touch with my mirrored symmetrical twin, but there seems to be only silence, bar occasional pins and needles in the ole tentacles :D
funbox
Somehow reminds me of the white room or gray room stories. Maybe the real us is still in the white room.
THE LARGE WHITE ROOM
One of the most common visions recalled is of a bright white room – a waiting room, of sorts. "I recall being in a large white room," says Bernard of a memory he began to become aware of when he was three of four years old. "I was sitting on the floor waiting for someone to direct me.
http://paranormal.about.com/od/reincarnation/fl/Pre-Birth-Memories.htm
I heard one of them say "he isn't supposed to be here yet" and another said "how did he get here" using a whispering tone.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1063279/pg1
Quote from: Dyna on March 08, 2016, 08:11:35 PM
Somehow reminds me of the white room or gray room stories. Maybe the real us is still in the white room.
THE LARGE WHITE ROOM
One of the most common visions recalled is of a bright white room – a waiting room, of sorts. "I recall being in a large white room," says Bernard of a memory he began to become aware of when he was three of four years old. "I was sitting on the floor waiting for someone to direct me.
http://paranormal.about.com/od/reincarnation/fl/Pre-Birth-Memories.htm
I heard one of them say "he isn't supposed to be here yet" and another said "how did he get here" using a whispering tone.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1063279/pg1
Brahman is described as being nameless and formless. Yeah..they gave it a name...but I guess we need to call it something. It is attributed as being nameless and formless because it does not resemble anything in the physical universe. How would the quantum wave state of the universe appear? It is the raw state of creation, the PRE-FORM of things to be. Our physical bodies and brains exist an instant downstream from the act of creation. Unless we "we rein in the horses of the fives senses", shut down the receiver of the quantum signal, we are crystallized, stuck in the past and absolutely cannot access it. As the Gnostics describe the Pleroma as the realm that precedes material manifestation, it is BEFORE the translation of the quantum wave collapse, the pure, energetic state of things. Chinmoy gives us a very good description the experience: http://www.srichinmoy.org/spirituality/concentration_meditation_contemplation/samadhi
I think the things that people see that resemble relatives, or earth like scenes are creations of the organic brain processes, imparting it's own aspects on the early stages of transcendence. Again, the eternal illumination does not resemble anything in this physical universe and that is why describing it adequately is very difficult.
From Chinmoy...he knew...
In savikalpa samadhi there are thoughts and ideas coming from various places, but they do not affect you. While you are meditating, you remain undisturbed, and your inner being functions in a dynamic and confident manner. But when you are a little higher, when you have become one with the soul in nirvikalpa samadhi, there will be no ideas or thoughts at all. I am trying to explain it in words, but the consciousness of nirvikalpa samadhi can never be adequately explained or expressed. I am trying my best to tell you about this from a very high consciousness, but still my mind is expressing it. But in nirvikalpa samadhi there is no mind; there is only infinite peace and bliss. There nature's dance stops, and the knower and the known become one. There you enjoy a supremely divine, all-pervading, self-amorous ecstasy. You become the object of enjoyment, you become the enjoyer and you become the enjoyment itself.
When you enter into nirvikalpa samadhi, the first thing you feel is that your heart is larger than the universe itself. Ordinarily you see the world around you, and the universe seems infinitely larger than you are. But this is because the world and the universe are perceived by the limited mind. When you are in nirvikalpa samadhi, you see the universe as a tiny dot inside your vast heart.
In nirvikalpa samadhi there is infinite bliss. Bliss is a vague word to most people. They hear that there is something called bliss, and some people say that they have experienced it, but most individuals have no firsthand knowledge of it. When you enter into nirvikalpa samadhi, however, you not only feel bliss, but actually grow into that bliss.
The third thing you feel in nirvikalpa samadhi is power. All the power of all the occultists put together is nothing compared with the power you have in nirvikalpa samadhi. But the power that you can take from samadhi to utilise on earth is infinitesimal compared with the entirety.
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C
Quote from: Dyna on March 08, 2016, 08:11:35 PM
Somehow reminds me of the white room or gray room stories. Maybe the real us is still in the white room.
THE LARGE WHITE ROOM
One of the most common visions recalled is of a bright white room – a waiting room, of sorts. "I recall being in a large white room," says Bernard of a memory he began to become aware of when he was three of four years old. "I was sitting on the floor waiting for someone to direct me.
http://paranormal.about.com/od/reincarnation/fl/Pre-Birth-Memories.htm
I heard one of them say "he isn't supposed to be here yet" and another said "how did he get here" using a whispering tone.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1063279/pg1
I wonder what David Lynch is going to be doing in the new twin peaks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHEQBvdDXv0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1LBda7aGgg
funbox