Mankind is Destroying the Universe

[COSMO]

"The reason for a collapse, says Professor Krauss, has to do with the strange way quantum states are affected by someone looking at it".

Well, I did just put a "life-preserver" on, so that just to be sure, if anyone looks at this, my "quantum states" won't collapse!! 

So now that I am in a "safe state" - - - if our observations are typically being made out into the quantum states of this universe, then aren't we seeing into the past at the speed of light distances? And if we are looking into the past, and seeing past universe events, are we (whoever) suggesting that just by our looking at a "past (already happened long ago) event" that we "might" be able to change the present state of the universe?? I am supposing that if what is suggested is true, and the universe of the past is destroyed, then the present would be destroyed too.

Right now, I would have a hard time accepting that just "observing" the incoming 100's. 1,000's, and billions of light years past could have any effect upon the actual past or present. If one accepted this thought, then would not this thought have to also apply to the  "observation quantum states" of picture taken of any subject at anytime in the past? Or maybe to subjects and places in a movie/video?

If this were a video game we are living in, then I suppose anything could be true. BUT, I don't believe that to be the case either.

Hey rdunk,

The double slit experiment does show that observation collapses the wave state.  Not my opinion or a theory or a video game.  That is really the way things work.  The quantum realm upset Einstein too.  The uncertainty principle was god playing dice with the universe and he didn't like it.  I don't think we have to worry about the universe collapsing from observation.  I think the article had it kinda backwards.  Everything we can observe is already a collapsed wave state, just like the double slit demonstrates.   If all particles are collapsed waves, since every electron and all electrochemical reactions in your brain are related to your conscious thought process, your memories, beliefs and intellectual efforts, all of those things are of the collapsed wave state and an instant removed from the raw state of creation and they are fixed particles in space time as is your total physical body.  The entire physical universe that we can OBSERVE is collapsed wave state.  BUT...part of us always remains rooted in the pre-collapsed  probability wave state of the universe, the quantum realm that is not bound by the laws of space and time but it is not part of us that we are consciously aware of.  That is our dual nature.  Part of us is fixed material points in space time and part of us is always rooted in the timeless quantum realm, or the akashic record as the Hindus called it but it is a state that is pre-thought, pre-collapse and that is why it is not accessible by thought.  The puzzle of Samadhi is how to access the quantum wave state with the tools of thought that are of the fixed material world.  You can't.   There is a way and that is the wisdom the ancient Hindu sages reveals.  We are not separate from the quantum realm, the primary medium.  All points in space time are connected in it.  It is Brahman and a direct experience of it is Samadhi. 

Jack Sarfatti writes about this and thinks he has the math that can prove the future quantum radiation can be sensed in the present by us.  Of course, that does not seem unnatural to me as I see it as a natural consequence of the influence of the timeless quantum realm that we are connected to. 

One thing about true meditation.  If you are thinking about it you aren't doing it.

the universe for scale
 

Cosmo   

[Norval]

Yeah,
Don,t waste your time thinking too deeply about it.  But I am curious.  Why would you take the time to make a negative comment about something that you obviously have no familiarity with?

  No, Norval, I am not recommending it to you.  It's just bs.     
Cosmo

That is an unqualified assumption. 

[COSMO]

That is an unqualified assumption. 

No Norval, it was sarcasm. 



Cosmo

[Littleenki]

 If we are to comsider quantum states and the possiblity of them being affected by over-observation, how about we consider how the reaction of the observer can affect the ultimate outcome of the wave collapse....can the wave be ampified, and expanded through perception of such distant events as a supernova or binary star interaction?

If we stand appalled at what we observe, dow e get what we expect.

[COSMO]

If we are to comsider quantum states and the possiblity of them being affected by over-observation, how about we consider how the reaction of the observer can affect the ultimate outcome of the wave collapse....can the wave be ampified, and expanded through perception of such distant events as a supernova or binary star interaction?

If we stand appalled at what we observe, dow e get what we expect.

LE!  How ya been?  How's the fishing? 

Very good observation/question.  Those types of events at that scale do produce effects in the primary medium, the ether I think.  Anything that affects the primary medium would affect everything else, from the permeability of space time to atomic decay rates to the fine structure constant and gravity.  Some of that alteration could also affect living organisms since they are also linked in the primary medium, from the subatomic realm on up.  I also think those types of events are what would have been recorded by TTB as those variations would affect the performance of his measuring devices. 

When you see the effects of a supernova, you are seeing light, photons, particles, all collapsed quantum wave states.  EVERYTHING we see is collapsed wave states.  The instant of collapse is not observable by our conscious mind, our collapsed wave state mental machinery.  Every thought you have is an instant removed from the collapse, the moment of creation of the physical universe, maya, the illusion.  This is what Krishnamurti meant when he said that all of our thoughts are dead, crystallized, in the past.
It is no coincidence that theoretical physicist David Bohm and Krishnamurti were dear friends.

Yes, observer interaction with the wave collapse, that is the heart of the matter isn't it.  When we observe our physical bodies, we see flesh, blood and bone.  Collapsed wave states, as is our brain, it's electrochemical activity, our thoughts, beliefs and memories, all post-quantum wave sate, fixed in space and time.  We cannot utilize the post collapse mental tools to grasp the pre-collapse state.  Apples and oranges.  That is where meditation comes in.  True meditation is not thought, ritual, mantra or dogma.  It is simply shutting down all of the mental machinery until the primary medium, the quantum wave state....Brahman, the Eternal Illumination is revealed.  The experience is Samadhi.  Now, it is much easier said than done.  Our mental machinery is a survival mechanism that has evolved to deal with the material world.  It resists being transcended.  It's methods are distraction and sleep.  When one has transcended the mental waking state, the next level down is the sleep state.  That is a level that takes practice and steadfastness to get through.  There are some tricks to getting beyond this state while maintaining a pure level of consciousness.  Many times in the beginning I would end up asleep and snoring...but I would sleep well! 
The Hindu's say there are seven level of consciousness:



When one attains Samadhi, siddhis are a natural side effect.  They cannot be achieved by desire or effort.

If we are appalled at what we observe, it means we have chosen that experience.  Good, bad, light, dark, it's all maya.

Cosmo

[The Matrix Traveller]

They cannot be achieved by desire or effort.

100 % Correct there Cosmo ....   

[COSMO]

100 % Correct there Cosmo ....   

Hi Matrix,

Just found this article, again, about observation affecting quantum states.  Everything we see around us is post observation, post collapse.



http://phys.org/news/2014-02-peeking-physicists-quantum-particles.html

Quantum mechanics describes the behaviour of microscopic particles, such as atoms and electrons. When we compare it to our observations in everyday life, nature behaves very strangely at the scale of these particles.


Yes, want and desire are both post observation manifestations and thereby excluded from the raw, pre-collapse quantum state.  Mutually exclusive. 

Cosmo

[COSMO]

I saw something posted on another forum about Siddhis that wasn't quite accurate and just wanted to add a little more information about them. 
It is not a type of meditation.  Siddhis are the natural result of attaining Samadhi.  Anyone that wants to achieve them for their power will never attain them.
When one attains Samadhi, it is a direct experience of the primary medium, the raw quantum wave state of the universe that is not bound by space and time.  The ancient Hindu sages were the ORIGINAL remote viewers.  It is the nature of the primary medium, Brahman, and our relationship to that, which makes remote viewing possible.  I find the modern fascination with remote viewing humorous.  It is really nothing new.  Is is a UNION with that instant of creation, the collapse of the quantum wave, that imbues one with Siddhis and all want and desire are excluded from that instant.  You want powers???  Too bad!   

Here is one list of Siddhis, there are others.  The concept, in general, is that if a person becomes one with the wave collapse, co-creator of the universe, certain alterations to physical reality are possible...thaumaturgy.         

1. Anima:
Ability to reduce the size of the body, sometimes even to the size of the atoms.  ('Becoming smaller than the smallest' as described in Srimad Bhagavatam by Lord Krishna)
Example: Hanuman had reduced the size of his body while he was searching for Sita in Lanka.
2. Mahima:
Ability to assume a gigantic form ('Becoming larger than the largest' as described in Srimad Bhagavatam by Lord Krishna)
Example:
Hanuman assumed a huge form to burn Lanka, he also assumed big form to fight Kumbha Karna
In Vaamana avatar Lord Vishnu increased his form which was so gigantic that it only took him three steps to cover all three worlds
3. Garima
Ability to become very heavy in weight by will
Example: Lord Hanuman made his tail very heavy that even Bhima couldn't life it (Bhima who was climbing the GandhaMadana mountains to get Saugandhika flowers for Draupadi was stopped by a monkey whose tail was on the way, Bhima orders the monkey to take the tail off the road, monkey being old tells him to move it himself, but Bhima couldn't even lift the monkey's tail)
4. Laghima
Laghima comes from the word laghu, which means small or light. Laghima is the ability to make the body very light ('Becoming lighter than the lightest'). Levitation and flying in the air are its subsidiary powers
5. Prapti
Word praapti means 'to obtain', 'having obtained', 'to have got'. Thus praapti is the ability to acquire anything anywhere.
6. Prakamya
The ability to obtain anything desired, ability to have realized the dreams
7. Isitva
Isa=lord; isitva=lordship; The power of absolute lordship over entire creation
8. Vasitva
The ability to have everything under control, especially the physical manifestation made up of 5 elements

To experience the raw, timeless, quantum state of the universe, to access the instant of wave collapse, to become one with the moment of creation....
that is Samadhi, the results are the Siddhis. 

Cosmo

[Somamech]

Mankind is Destroying the Universe



aaaaAAAACCcccoooooo (big sneeze)

Sorry, , just an allergic reaction.

Looks at the size of earth, , our sun,, , , , , ,  our galaxy, , , , , the universe.
, , , and we can destroy it ?!?!?!

I sneeze around BS. 

Norval I have always appreciated your take on the world since the whole crapola happened with them dang smurf's mate, but like anything dude along with Stephen Hawking... No-One knows WTF is going on here on this Planet.

I have theory's, You have em, We all have em. 

[Somamech]

Cosmo, Wow SriChimnoy! 

http://www.srichinmoy.org/spirituality/concentration_meditation_contemplation/samadhi

I've never been involved with that organisation but I have frequented one of their cafe's here in melbourne which is now defunct.  I don't have a bad word to say about the nice couple that ran that cafe.  It may be odd to say this in this day and age...They serviced LIFE with no harassment. 

They also run some pretty damn good running race's here in melbourne too!

[COSMO]

Many claim to, but Chinmoy knew.  Here is something that I find to have some energy....


from wiki:
At bi-weekly formal meditations, the men wear white clothing, while the women wear colourful Indian saris.[55] The focus of meditation at these meetings is a black-and-white copy of a photograph of Chinmoy taken in 1967 while he was in what he described as a transcendental state of consciousness. It was sometimes referred to by Ghose and his disciples as "The Transcendental Picture" or "The Transcendental Photograph", but more often simply as "The Transcendental". Chinmoy advised his disciples when meditating on his picture to feel that they are entering into their own highest part, that the picture does not represent a human being, but a state of consciousness




The "half lidded" technique...

Cosmo

[COSMO]

More news from the quantum realm...

New Quantum Theory Could Explain the Flow of Time

Popescu, Short and their colleagues Noah Linden and Andreas Winter reported the discovery in the journal Physical Review E in 2009, arguing that objects reach equilibrium, or a state of uniform energy distribution, within an infinite amount of time by becoming quantum mechanically entangled with their surroundings. Similar results by Peter Reimann of the University of Bielefeld in Germany appeared several months earlier in Physical Review Letters. Short and a collaborator strengthened the argument in 2012 by showing that entanglement causes equilibration within a finite time.

If the new line of research is correct, then the story of time's arrow begins with the quantum mechanical idea that, deep down, nature is inherently uncertain. An elementary particle lacks definite physical properties and is defined only by probabilities of being in various states. For example, at a particular moment, a particle might have a 50 percent chance of spinning clockwise and a 50 percent chance of spinning counterclockwise. An experimentally tested theorem by the Northern Irish physicist John Bell says there is no "true" state of the particle; the probabilities are the only reality that can be ascribed to it.

Quantum uncertainty then gives rise to entanglement, the putative source of the arrow of time.

When two particles interact, they can no longer even be described by their own, independently evolving probabilities, called "pure states." Instead, they become entangled components of a more complicated probability distribution that describes both particles together. It might dictate, for example, that the particles spin in opposite directions. The system as a whole is in a pure state, but the state of each individual particle is "mixed" with that of its acquaintance. The two could travel light-years apart, and the spin of each would remain correlated with that of the other, a feature Albert Einstein famously described as "spooky action at a distance."

"Entanglement is in some sense the essence of quantum mechanics," or the laws governing interactions on the subatomic scale, Brunner said. The phenomenon underlies quantum computing, quantum cryptography and quantum teleportation.

http://www.wired.com/2014/04/quantum-theory-flow-time/

Quantum uncertainty then gives rise to entanglement...yes, in the superluminal, superfluid ETHER.  And spooky action at a distance is simply a superluminal type of movement of ETHER, via subatomic black holes.  That is the model of nature, EVERYTHING ENTANGLED in the superluminal ETHER, the universal quantum ocean of creation, the ZPF, Brahman...with all matter and energy manifesting as fixed points in our space/time universe due to observation...the instant of creation, collapse of the probability wave into everything we see...maya.






Dattatraya

skyfish

[COSMO]

More news from the Quantum Press...

Proving uncertainty: First rigorous formulation supporting Heisenberg's famous 1927 principle

Nearly 90 years after Werner Heisenberg pioneered his uncertainty principle, a group of researchers from three countries has provided substantial new insight into this fundamental tenet of quantum physics with the first rigorous formulation supporting the uncertainty principle as Heisenberg envisioned it.

http://phys.org/news/2014-04-uncertainty-rigorous-heisenberg-famous-principle.html#jCp



We are awash in the timeless quantum ocean of creation.  I'm going for a swim!  lol



skyfish

[COSMO]

Here is an interesting video with Jack Sarfatti about consciousness and it's connection to the timeless quantum realm.  Jack has some interesting theories and may have the math to prove precognition via quantum radiation from the future.  The physics of cosmic consciousness!  I like that!



Sid

Cat!

[COSMO]

Been wanting to post this...been under the weather.

This is noteworthy.  Our world is stranger than it appears!

Watch Schrödinger's cat die (or survive)

Physicists capture quantum particles' bizarre wanderings for the first time

In Schrödinger's cat experiment, a cat in a box, whose fate is decided by subatomic particles, is both alive and dead until someone looks at it.
In the same way, when quantum particles are 'touched' by the outside world, they lose this quantum strangeness and collapse into a 'classical state'.
Study shows it is possible to follow quantum particles before they collapse.
It found that quantum particles follow the classical path of least resistance.
This could let scientists steer quantum behaviour in a certain direction.
For example, in chemistry, scientists could use this to prefer certain products of a reaction over others.



Continuous monitoring of a quantum system can direct it along a random path. This map shows how scientists tracked the transition between two states many times to determine how it changes. They found quantum particles follow the classical path of least resistance



Kater Murch (right), assistant professor of physics, and junior Chris Munley work with the equipment that can map a quantum device's trajectory between two points in quantum state space, a feat until recently considered impossible

'But real-time tracking of a quantum system shows that it's a continuous process, and that we can constantly extract information from the system as it goes from quantum to classical,' said Professor Siddiqi.
For quantum computers, this would allow continuous error correction.
'The implications are significant, as now we can design control sequences to steer a system along a certain trajectory,' said Professor Siddiqi.
'For example, in chemistry one could use this to prefer certain products of a reaction over others.'
Chemistry at its most basic level is described by quantum mechanics.
In the past 20 years, chemists have developed a technique called quantum control, where shaped laser pulses are used to drive chemical reactions.
'The chemists control the quantum field from the laser, and that field controls the dynamics of a reaction,' explained Kater Murch, PhD, an assistant professor of physics at Washington University.
'Eventually, we'll be able to control the dynamics of chemical reactions with lasers instead of just mixing reactant one with reactant two and letting the reaction evolve on its own,' he said.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2712015/Watch-Schr-dingers-cat-die-live-Physicists-quantum-theorys-bizarre-wanderings-time.html

From Quantum to Classical...

From the energetic wave form of the universe to the reality we perceive around us!  This IS the way of the creator...

Every idea we may have about gravity modification or FTL travel will have to take the above into consideration.  We live in an Energetic Quantume Wave Universe that is continually resolving, at each instant, into the reality we observe.  Tracking quantum particles BEFORE they collapse!  This is no longer conjecture!  It pleases me to see this progress being made to the point they can map "the resolving".  It does strike me as humorous that humans think that what they see around them is REALLY the way things are!  We live in MAYA, The Illusion, created by our consciousness interacting with the Energetic Dimension of Time.

I recall also reading lately that wave guide technology can affect the quantum vacuum.  So, lasers and wave guide technology to modify the ETHER...

Samadhi to experience it directly...

We ARE NOT separate from the continuous process of creation that constantly unfolds at every instant.  We are inseparable from it. ALWAYS united. Always ONE in the timeless quantum ocean of creation.

Quantum particles "touched' by the outside world"...where physics and metaphysics unite.

skyfish