Hi all, today I wish to share an event that I believe I witnessed between 2010-2011, during the same time period I had numerous day and night time UFO sightings, Birmingham, UK.
The reason this has not been posted or mentioned before is quite a straight forward one; I simply forgot about it and dismissed it.
It was not until last week, I stumbled across the same phenomena online, that suddenly brought on the flash back of my experience.
With the memory being so old (relatively), I cannot provide any more accurate information that what I will state below.
I remember me and my friend in my bedroom back at my mothers, on a summers day (clears sky etc). I had both ends of my large window opened to the maximum.. If I recall correctly, we were both hanging out the windows actively seeking and laughing about UFO's following the wave that seemingly the whole of South West Birmingham had experienced at around the same time.
I recall hanging out side the left window and looking directly up and left, past my roof to the sky directly above and witnessing a plane flying directly over, at an unusual low altitude.. Like directly above my house, flying from my left to my right.
So all normal yea? Not quite.
I remember when glancing at the plane, for a split second, or maybe 3 - I could have sworn it wasn't completely corporeal, and I saw what seemed to be grey/silver/translucent orbs, congregated centrally. Anyway, it couldn't have been longer than 2-3 seconds if that, and as I watched it fly by the right hand side, it seemed like a perfectly normal plane... Albeit having no business flying over my roof top.
That was that and I but it to the back of mind. Up until this week that is. Now knowing that I am not the only one who claims to have made this observation has now encouraged me not to dismiss the matter, but actively investigate it.
Upon realising I may not have been hallucinating, this experience has now made me question several things regarding the midland UK UFO wave, more specifically my experiences. In order for me to collate my idea's I will precede to jot down the various UFO sighting I have personally experienced. (Many friends also witnessed some of these, but not all, later this evening I will be contacting these friends to recall their memories also).
Daytime UFO Events:
1) Small, solid, black 'flat, saucer type', direct, prolonged sighting, daytime, 2010.
2) Large grey/silver/translucent orbs, seen at a distance, described as 'following planes', daytime, 2010-2011.
3) Large silver 'cigar shaped' UFO's, high alitude, orignally dismissed as planes, accompanied with 'poor eyesight', daytime 2010-2011.
4) Small, silver, solid orbs, observed once, short distance; Photograped once, apparent close proximity, daytime 2010/11 (?).
5) Large 'Shape-shifting', grey/silver/translucent 'carrier bag/boomerang' type 'thing' circling large clock tower, daytime 2012.
6) Small grey/silver/translucent orb, seen at a distance, in the contrail of a plane, daytime, 2013.
Night Time UFO Events:
1) Hexagonal formation of orange orbs, observed from small distance, moved swiftly in formation, night, 2010. (Possibility of Laterns).
2) Unknown crafts emiting patterned and eratic red/blue/yellow spirals, observed from a distance, night 2010-2012.
3) Large 'Shape-shifting' 'Black' UFO, looked like a traingle, then a diamond, low alitutude, close proximity, night (2011-12?)
4) Small (or large) orange, 'star like' UFO's, I would have said above atmosphere, extreme speed, eratic behavior, night 2011.
Other Observations:
Throughout 2010-2012, there were a ridiculous amount of planes flying above, as detailed in my thread containing the photo of aforementioned small silver orb. I captured that orb unintentionally whilst observing a larger translucent orb seemingly trailing one of the planes.. that just kept coming, and just kept coming..and just kept coming. At the time of that particular photograph me and a friend had counted probably more than 20 'commercial' air craft flying over in the space of 20 minutes, accompanied with a mixture of what appeared to be military jet craft. All of this we found odd on it's own. We were a fair 15 miles from Birmingham Airport, and I can honestly say I have never witnessed that many craft, and certainly not on a daily basis as seemed to be the case that summer.
There was a following summer, when another friend of mine had just aquired new wheels, and we were driving for drivings sake around south West Birmingham, and this was the only other occasion I have seen more planes than I can count.. These were accompanied by very, very many 'contrails', and all craft appeared to be Jet styled.
I'm not drawing any conclusions at this point, merely recalling my memories.
Also between the period of 2010-2011 me and friends witnessed a large, triangle shaped black craft descending thick clouds over my rooftop, at an extreme low altitude. We were stationed across the street opposite my house, walking away, this was only observed as one of us turned round to face the other in a group discussion... Weather conditions were thick and fog like, most likely winter. I do not recall the details of this event, If I recall correctly, it disappeared amongst the low cloud relatively quickly.
I believe it was not long after above particular event; me and friends were 'hanging' in a near by community field area and observed unmarked black helicopters, directly above at low altitude. We dismissed them at the time as 'flying pigs' cracking down on the local drug culture - however, in-looking back, they stayed directly above our heads and served no obvious purpose. These helicopters may have been re-occuring, although this event is easily recalled.
Finally, as a side note, you may remember me mentioning that my 'black saucer' event had been posted to BUFOG the Birmingham UFO Group (2010) , I was asked to post that link to my related thread here - which I did do. However, I also stumbled across another reoprt of mine from 2010 of which I had no memory of until reviewing my old report. That report detailed seeing a number of odd looking planes descending across the skyline of South West Birmingham, going westerly in the direction of the previously mentioned clock tower... I'm not to sure on the details of this event, and I will be scouring the BUFOG archives later on in order to copy that report.. What I do find odd is my apparent memory loss regarding that particukar event.
Still musing out-loud. Shortly I will be exploring the claim (and personal observation) of Orbs 'projecting' air-craft. Deuem has graciously accepted my proposal to Process pics of the planes in question (not my pics), and I'm hoping we can shed some light on the subject.
I'd greatly appreciate any input on the subject from all members.
I currently have no internet access at home apart from my Blackberry (which is useless for posting piks).. Therefore Whilst I'm on my work comp, I'll attempt to post the images I am most curious about so Deuem can get a head start.
Naturally ( ;D ) I'd like to see if there's any truth to the Holoram 9/11 scenario...
The link I'm about to use is authored by a lady called Carolyn Williams Palit, I've not had time to review my sources as of yet, but in haste I shall post the piks that peaked my curiosity:http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_nonlethalweapons12.htm
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s635/Sinny_Dawes/orb1_zps939783e4.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/Sinny_Dawes/media/orb1_zps939783e4.jpg.html)
(I appreciate thsi image is poor quality, sorry Deuem, if you follow the link you'll what I am trying to succesfully post aha)
Here's a still from a vid, posted to ATS:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread840535/pg22
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Here's my own still from Youtube Vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQI1sKPHTbE
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Here's a strange and interesting one: Orb Birds? (don't ask how I got here lol)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIAN4mjSlxM
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Anything unusual here?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T473dH1a8yc
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Of course you'll make me a very happy person to tell me it's all in the imagination Deuem, I'll happily go back to believing benevolent aliens ;D
Wow, Sinny. You sure have had a LOT of sightings! Why do some see so many and Me? I have seen ONE thing I could not explain - and that from a great distance.
I was on the deck of My apartment in Lodi, NY, looking west in the late evening over Seneca Lake. I saw a bright star to the southwest and was drawn to it. As I watched, it grew brighter and brighter, and I thought, Wow. Is that a meteor or something coming right at Me? It was stationary and grew so bright I knew it was not a plane - never seen a plane become THAT bright!
All of a sudden it started to move from My left to My right - like it took a left on its way towards Me - and a stream of tail appeared behind it. I am still thinking meteor. But then... It began to pulse.
It was pulsing at a rate that was far slower than any blinky lights from any plane I have ever seen, and not only it, but the TAIL was pulsing. Bright - dim - bright - dim. And it was moving FAST. From the southwest to the northwest in about 20 seconds. No plane at THAT distance could have gone that far unless it was a supersecret thing, I suppose.
The most interesting thing was that, as it moved northward, pulsing along, it grew dimmer and dimmer. The first pulse was very bright. The second just a little less in brightness than the first, and so on. By the time it reached the northwest... It was gone. Nothing. Poof.
And that was that.
So... In a way, I envy You so many encounters. [smile] Hope Deuem steps in and does Your pics. Would love to see what He comes up with.
I have no idea why some get to see so many, and others so few.. It does make it quite funny when debabting with skeptics though aha.
Skeptic "I've never seen one, they don't exit".
Me "Well, I've seen quite a few, so I advise you re-evaluate that"
Skeptic "They don't exist!"
Me "They do!"
Always the same roundabout :D
Cool story, I too have seen many 'pretend' planes, and 'pretend' stars, and strange 'meteors'... I couldn't even be bothered to list them.
The catalyst was the saucer, that appeared to me.
Beyond that event, I have been actively sky watching, with much success. Actively has took a dive however, only one sighting in 2013, and none for this year...
Working on the photos
Thank you Deuem :D
Quote from: Sinny on February 20, 2014, 08:58:17 AMCool story, I too have seen many 'pretend' planes, and 'pretend' stars, and strange 'meteors'... I couldn't even be bothered to list them.
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Skeptic "They don't exist!"
Me "They do!"
Zorgon: Really?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9v_oWLrFnm0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9v_oWLrFnm0
Well my 'saucer' seemed 100% solid, as did the silver orb.
The objects under suspicion of being holgraphic are currently under investigation..
You and John sure love posting that Air Force Manual, Serg Monast advised about this decades ago... Then he got 'heart attacked' ::)
ETA: I witnessed the Silver Orb 'teleporting' of some sort.. I don't know if Holograms usually vanish in a flash of light?
Quote from: Sinny on February 20, 2014, 08:58:17 AM
Skeptic "I've never seen one, they don't exit".
That's not a sceptic, that's a denier. :)
Quote from: ArMaP on February 20, 2014, 02:04:47 PM
That's not a sceptic, that's a denier. :)
Fair do's.
If the plane from 9/11 is a holograph, which I doubt, I dont understand why they would made a holograph of this (a military) type boeing 767/737?.
If I recall correctly and understand correctly thats is the case with that plane.
If they used a holograph, and the same group of persons worked with the whole 9/11 thingie, they better used a commercial type 767/737 to fit the story better.
(http://www.rense.com/general69/Mystery_airliner_1.jpg)
Remote controlled... ? ::)
Whatever it is, it seems weird to use such a holograph.
I am not that into 9/11, so I am not sure, well, my 1 eurocent on the table ;)
Quote from: Lunica on February 20, 2014, 03:01:24 PM
If the plane from 9/11 is a holograph, which I doubt, I dont understand why they would made a holograph of this (a military) type boeing 767/737?.
If I recall correctly and understand correctly thats is the case with that plane.
If they used a holograph, and the same group of persons worked with the whole 9/11 thingie, they better used a commercial type 767/737 to fit the story better.
According to the official story, they were commercial craft.
QuoteWhatever it is, it seems weird to use such a holograph.
I agree, I dismissed the 'no planes' theories for years. However, the question remains, how did those planes defy physics? and what the heck are those orbs? :o
Quote from: Sinny on February 20, 2014, 03:12:06 PM
According to the official story, they were commercial craft.
Indeed, but looking at the picture... hmmmzz 8)
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I agree, I dismissed the 'no planes' theories for years. However, the question remains, how did those planes defy physics? and what the heck are those orbs? :o
Good question :)
UFOs are real. They do exist. And, , , they existed long before holograms. ::)
Quote from: Norval on February 20, 2014, 03:22:11 PM
UFOs are real. They do exist. And, , , they existed long before holograms. ::)
UFO stands for Unidentified Flying Object.. I.E relating to anything Unidentified... I'm sure Birds were around before Holograms.
Your statement was a bit of a non-statement ::)
Wow, Sinny, you and 'they' must be on the same wavelength!
I've only had one sighting that was strange enough to post about. In the summer of 1993 or 94, in Palm Desert, CA, two friends and I witnessed a long, translucent, multicolored something, that seemed to be at about 800- 1000' in altitude. It reminded me of an old style carnival balloons, but it was moving silently and steadily against the wind coming down the mountain. We have talked about it since, and concluded that since Palm Desert lies in the middle of 29 Palms and San Diego/Oceanside military air corridor, what we saw was probably some sort of advanced stealth aircraft.
I have also seen a video snip of a stealth disguise that appears as a flock of white birds wheeling in an almost too perfect pattern, but naturally, after I saw something very similar in real life, I could never find the article again.
rose
Hi, Ok lets give this a try
The first picture of the plane and the tower worked out to look like an airplane. If it was a holograph I would think I could see through it as I have before. The body of the craft looks a little fat and the left wing and the left tail wing are out of focus and appear in the shade. I find no Orbs. But on the whole I don't like my own results. They are very mixed and un-focused.
Here it is.
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The Jet plane with twin contrails and maybe an Orb to the left.
The orb area is processing half way between a reflection and an UFO. If you want me to call it I say the ORB is a reflection from another craft at high altitude, It is very faint and hard to get a photo. Please see what you can get out of it. The rings are very concentric which means light to me. Like from the sun. They also carry a lot of yellow. I know the colors are produced by me but for a quirck of luck most sun refections turn yellow. I don't remember if that was done on purpose or just luck. There are also a few other circles in the print which seem to be artifacts.
Here it is.
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The next photo with the airplane going to the right shows a over lit airplane in a shaken still frame. I see nothing wrong from my point of view.
Here it is
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The 2 Orbs on the right. This one look good. The camera is overloaded white which caused black overload marks around the bright object. This is common. The process shows what looks like 2 UFOs
If this is a plane and a reflection it would have to be so far away that I don't think I would see such a large white mark on the print. I give it over 60% Ufo
Here it is
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The last photo was the crazy robot birds. This is something out of the movie "Birds" Yes the Eye is very scary. And the body processed very strange for it being a 2 color bird. I think this might be the first bird I have ever done. So I don't know what to make of it. The second bird photo worked out the same without the eye. The secondary white dot seems to be just that and not a miniture Orb.
Here it is
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Deuem
Wonderful, Deuem. I thought the bird's "eye" was a glint of sun reflecting off a glossy beak but I keep trying to make some sense of the way the two processed...what I thought might be 'organ' energy in one place doesn't necessarily appear to match up in a another place. But I love the print...a new art form in the making?
rose
Rose, my how your avatar has changed.
The robot birds are crazy, huh! Ok, we need a deuem bird thread.
Deuem
Deuem does birds! Big yay to that.
And yes, having any avatar at all is rare for me. What really I want to use is one of your Kirlian photo leaf pictures, but I won't unless you say it's okay.
rose
Interesting results, thanks you Deuem.
In regards to the 9/11 photo, I believed there to be what seemed like orbs on the lower right wing. I believe the your process also shows what appears to be two irregularities on the lower right wing. The photo was poor, and I also accept your observation.
In regards to the second photo, I was more interested in the plane than the 'reflection' on the right.
The plane who's 'still' I took from youtube appeared to have 3 orbs in places of the wings...your process has revealed two orb designs in place of these, although I wouldn't really know what I'm looking at..
The photo of the two orbs alone is a still I pulled from a Youtube vid claiming to have recorded orbs transforing into birds. If you watch the video you will see this. You have concluded the possibility of UFO..
I'm unsure what you mean when you refer to the robot birds, do you mean this clip is taken from a movie? Or reminicent of it?
I'd like to see more birds... And I agree Rose, from a business perspective, I could see this form of art 'catching on'.
Orbs could very well be reality generators and when you see planes, helicopters and ufos, your seeing orbs cloaked as they generate an image for your mind.
Quote from: Gigas on February 20, 2014, 07:49:08 PM
Orbs could very well be reality generators and when you see planes, helicopters and ufos, your seeing orbs cloaked as they generate an image for your mind.
That's just blew my mind aha.
Robert Bigelows girl linda moulton howe had a story from colorado where a couple of sheriff were out in the back country on a road at night and as they were driving, the passenger noticed to the right a red glow in a woods and mentioned it to the other sheriff who kept driving. They got to a cross road and turned left.
Going down this road they seen a white orb approaching from the dead center of the road ahead. The driver realized it was on a collison path and as they got closer, the driver yelled jump from the car as both did. The sheriff was thinking this light was going to head on collide with them.
As they laid in the road the sheriff said the orb stopped in front of the windshield and shot straight up. Both got back into the patrol car and turned around to go back the way they came in and as they passed the spot they saw the red glowing orb in the woods, nothing was there. No red orb, no woods, nothing.
So obviously the red orb generated a temporal scene and when it left, the image of trees and a woods, ended.
Cool posts Gigas, that story really is quite chilling.
I implore everybody to view this:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-LYFAQoedQ
Quote from: Sinny on February 20, 2014, 09:56:57 PM
I implore everybody to view this:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-LYFAQoedQ
Why?
Like ArMaP said, Why?
Me, personally, I don't need to see all the possible UFO videos as I accept that there are UFOs, and have since I was a kid and saw my first one.
Quote from: Gigas on February 20, 2014, 07:49:08 PM
Orbs could very well be reality generators and when you see planes, helicopters and ufos, your seeing orbs cloaked as they generate an image for your mind.
Quote from: Sinny on February 20, 2014, 08:52:28 PM
That's just blew my mind aha.
There are also a few "orbs" that are Military.
Pretty sure Z has pics, and everything somewhere.
Quote from: Gigas on February 20, 2014, 07:49:08 PM
Orbs could very well be reality generators and when you see planes, helicopters and ufos, your seeing orbs cloaked as they generate an image for your mind.
Hi, very interesting idea but I don't think cameras have minds. Easy to fake an Illusion for the eyes, much harder for the camera,but maybe.
Hi Sinny, Most jets now adays will produce very shinny Orb like blasts of refected light. They are all polished steel that shines in almost any light and the engines are also round so you can get this from almost any angle. One of the differences is in the ring set itself. The reflections turn very concentric where as the Orbs do not. They produce a ring set that is pulsing, crossing and iregular wave patterns.
I did the entire frame on all of the photos and went in on anything that would question myself. On the jet with the Orb to the left, the plane looked normal enough to pass on printing it. If I had caught anything that made me change my shorts you would have recieved it for sure. Most of these photos are out of focus and blured. A good way to make eyes see things and start the visual hunt. For me it does not bother the process, it just makes the end result not as pretty as it should be. The energy is there or it is not there for me.
On the birds, they did use robotic birds and stuffed birds in the Birds and other movies, Was this from a sci-fi movie or do birds just process like CGI. I need to do that same bird from a different soure that is a known good and compare. A standard needs to be run.
Also, just because I write my opinion does not mean anyone has to take it as the law. I might be as wrong as I think I am right. There are ways to trick cameras or change things in post edit that are very difficult to pick up.
Deuem
Deuem does birds, why not, I have done floating rocks.
Rose you can use any Deuem photo for anything you wish. The Kirlian photo leaf pictures that I processed are cool, go for it.
QuoteRose you can use any Deuem photo for anything you wish. The Kirlian photo leaf pictures that I processed are cool, go for it.
Thank you. The Hands have it, hands down. At least for now..with so many great choices, I may have to change again soon.
rose
Quote from: ArMaP on February 20, 2014, 10:15:29 PM
Why?
Because it's curious is why.
Sorry, have been posting from Blackberry, the post could have been expanded on.
It shows a plane the videoer seems to think is suspicious, I'd like some feedback on that.
Quote from: burntheships on February 20, 2014, 10:50:57 PM
There are also a few "orbs" that are Military.
Pretty sure Z has pics, and everything somewhere.
Yea, he pointed me towards some NASA ones not long ago..
Quote from: deuem on February 21, 2014, 01:56:51 AM
Hi, very interesting idea but I don't think cameras have minds. Easy to fake an Illusion for the eyes, much harder for the camera,but maybe.
Good point.
In regards to your processing explanation, thank you. I understand better. In future, I'll also aim to get higher quality pics - see if we can actually pin any of this down :)
Quote from: Sinny on February 21, 2014, 08:38:20 AM
It shows a plane the videoer seems to think is suspicious, I'd like some feedback on that.
It looks perfectly normal to me.
(note to self)
Bruce Cornet
http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/2adbaM/www.sunstar-solutions.com/AOP/SOW/sow.htm#
Walt Williams
http://www.setv.org/etp.html
Birds
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bne5Jp4VXKE
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzbQJWvJwko
Control Birds - Generic Photography.
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As and when your raedy D :)
Hey, have you ever processed people?
(Notes to self)
ella5024QuoteWelcome to the Inter-dimensional reality, the alternate viewpoint, which few human beings have been fortunate enough to have witnessed; it's nothing new, and if you have landed your butt here, then you have noticed something in the sky that you should not have noticed. Government airplanes are not spraying anyone with chemicals; that is a hoax. The planes that leave trails in the sky are not real airplanes. Watch my videos, and give yourself some time to digest it all. Don't mention any of this to your family. Go to bed.
http://www.youtube.com/user/ella5024/about
QuoteI'm the one who told him that the planes were fake, actually, on August 3, 2011. I have the emails. I realized it in June, 2011. He and I are somewhat like alien abductees, but it's a different program, called "Targeted Individuals". Talk about nutcases, listen to the "Talkshoe" shows that go on all night, every night, where Targeted Individuals discuss what is going on with them. They aren't naturally mentally unstable, but the bizarre things that happen in Occult torture programs make them sound completely crazy.
Here's what is going on:
The planes are NOT real planes, and they are not on any flight path. Look at flight paths across cities. They are not in a grid pattern, and the planes are not on the radar, or on Planefinder, normally. If they do show up on Planefinder, they will pop up, and either the take-off, or the destination, will be a question mark...."?", and then after a couple of minutes, it will go off of Planefinder. Real airplanes follow flight paths in the sky. They are like roads, and big planes can't just go willy nilly all over the sky, wherever they want.
They are not real airplanes. There are no videos of them taking off, or landing, because they do not take off, or land, anywhere! They are ORBS that project images of aircraft. They are shapeshifters. It has been going on for a long time. They are the eye in the sky...it is in a lot of music from the 80's. Pink Floyd album cover...the triangle with the beam going to it, and the rainbow coming out the other side....that is it. It's a hologram.
The "Occult" knows about it. The "planes" are "demons". They are what did 9/11. Those planes were the same as chemtrail planes. They were fake planes. There were entities all over the WTC, but people don't know what they look like. They are two dots of light, or an orb. That wasn't all paper exploding out of the WTC! Those were orbs. There were fake helicopters, fake planes, fake boats, and fake birds all over those videos. The real ones may have been turned to dust. There were three planes calling in distress signals from the Atlantic Ocean on the morning of 9/11. The WTC was built to be taken down on 9/11! The architect said that "voices" told him how to build the buildings, just like "voices" told Nicola Tesla how to create the Tesla coil, and free energy.
The Chemtrail Planes are the same as "Foo Fighers" in WWII. Hitler was in the Occult! The NAZI scientists/Occultists came to the United States, and they created NASA.
The entities that are the Chemtrail Planes are Inter-dimensional plasma-based life forms. They are Demons/Alien/Devils. They are the same entity that built the pyramids, all over the world, and Solomon's temple. They are the same entity that the Dogon tribe describes, and they say they are from the Sirius Star System. They are intelligent plasma based life-forms; the Djinn. Watch the movie "The Objective", that's what they are. They are the WMD that G. Bush talked about S. Hussein having. They are in control of the world. They are also "Anonymous", or "Legion". There is a leadership, and it is in the Ether (net). They are on the other side of your computer screen. :D
The WTC was two columns, or Is Is. Sirius. It was a sacrifice, and the celebration to bring in the NWO, where they will be the law. They are the law now...they control the police. The police work for them. They are the Devil, and I won't say who else they are. They have been here before, performing miracles. They can also make storms, earthquakes, volcanoes erupt, and they are "Mothman", and they did "Fukushima", and most importantly, their base is the Moon. That's why they are called Demons. De Moon.
Tootles! Oh, my Youtube is ella5024
Love,
Ella
http://ufodisclosurecountdownclock.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/psssstt-this-is-what-is-going-on.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAxecGeh1MY
Ever see anyone appear out of nowhere. Course you didn't. Because you have learned not to see the little things, the glitch, the conjuring of weirdness. I have seen it and not that long ago in a store where suddenly reality went sideways and It changed my intent for that moment.
It happens all the time but you have to be tuned in for you to notice it and even then you may dismiss it as nothing till later you think about it and come to the conclusion that was weird.
Who or what has the power to generate a holographical image into a solid physical object that becomes real in the sense that what you think you see is physically real and obedient of the laws of physics.
Or could it be your mind makes it up and with the help of an orb, it becomes whatever they want you to see, feel, taste and hear.
You know those pictures and videos of murky images that are just outside the definition of clarity, sometimes they are generated by something else and have a basis of reality in the hoax or no hoax barrier.
Do you really believe everything your eyes and mind tell you.
I think that those two planes that hit those towers were halographics conjured into a solid physical object(s) because from what I have seen and know, its not humanly possible to do that and that comes from something else here with us we can't see.
I know they can conjure synthetic people into local reality and mingle with the unaware.
That's an interesting post Gigas, I've pondered much the same.
These 'glitches' seem to have few and far investigators, and so I think they deserve some study.
If there's any merit in this subject.. The consequences are mind blowing..
I have the ability to see it all my life and once back in junior high when I was 15 I was walking between classes with all the other students in the hall and a teacher was standing outside his class room watching the crowd shuffle by and as I approached, his eyes focused in on me and as he looked down at me, he said, "why don't you go back to where you came from". Obviously he was a situational synthetic there to annoy me. I lived a life of this on my 62 magical mystery tours around the sun.
I showed the family how it operates and they now stay away from me. My one sister was so scared when she began to wake up to the situations from me pointing it out, she is a mess. So, maybe its better to ignore it and live on ones faith and close the eyes to the harsh reality. Other wise it can break you.
No matter how much one tries to dig it up, its a master of contradiction and obscurity.
The pentagon hit was no plane although witness account there was a plane but forensic observation shows the entry hole was not a commercial passenger jet punching that hole.
Quote from: Gigas on March 06, 2014, 02:07:13 AM
The pentagon hit was no plane although witness account there was a plane but forensic observation shows the entry hole was not a commercial passenger jet punching that hole.
There is a simple explanation that would fit here...
WHAT IF
A modified airplane had a global hawk missile atatched below it... both painted with the airline logo. The plane flies in low OVER the Pentagon and releases the missile. As the missle hits all eyes are on the explosion and the plane flies off unseen.
This would accuont for witnesses seeing a plane while some saw a missile.
It accounts for the lack of airplane debris scateered luggage and body parts.
It accounst for the single piece of logo debris found on the lawn that was SMALLER SCALE than a real plane
It would account for the RED flame of a missile explosion as opposed to an ORANGE flame of Jet Fuel explosions
It would account for the SINGLE Global Hawk motor found in the SINGLE punch hole
8)
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Quote from: zorgon on March 06, 2014, 03:51:53 AM
There is a simple explanation that would fit here...
WHAT IF
A modified airplane had a global hawk missile atatched below it... both painted with the airline logo. The plane flies in low OVER the Pentagon and releases the missile. As the missle hits all eyes are on the explosion and the plane flies off unseen.
This would accuont for witnesses seeing a plane while some saw a missile.
It accounts for the lack of airplane debris scateered luggage and body parts.
It accounst for the single piece of logo debris found on the lawn that was SMALLER SCALE than a real plane
It would account for the RED flame of a missile explosion as opposed to an ORANGE flame of Jet Fuel explosions
It would account for the SINGLE Global Hawk motor found in the SINGLE punch hole
8)
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I would bend towards the speculation it was a modified bunker buster lite, global hawk. I remember clearly a small turbine being shown sitting in the rubble at the inner ring.
As a side note:
Quote"Aliens can take us--our consciousness--out of our physical bodies, disable our control of our bodies, install one of their own entities, and use our bodies as vehicles for their own activities before returning our consciousness to our bodies." -----Dr. Karla Turner
Well dang, i hope they don't misuse my body when they take it over like that :D
On a more serious note, i had a very strong feeling i was being RV'ed last night.
Well they can watch me sleeping, i guess Langley forgot about the time difference ::) As long as they don't enter the batcave :P
Yes that turbine was an APU, seemed someone just dropped it there.....
The only thing that leaves a white trail like that (especially at ground level) is a missile, so for me, the case is closed 8)
Silent Invasion - Ellen Crystall
https://www.dmt-nexus.me/doc/Silent%20Invasion.pdf
Check out page 73 - Author reckons she got aliens on cam.
Here are the pictures, i kept them big;
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/inventors_group/images/ODD/aliens1.bmp)
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/inventors_group/images/ODD/aliens1cr.bmp)
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/inventors_group/images/ODD/aliens1dr.bmp)
Anyone of our graphic gurus want to enhance these?
They are bitmaps taken from a pdf which was from the original pic, so not much detail left, IMO
Cool idea Luke :D
SeeingUFO'sPA
Alison Kruse has been subject to much debate in regards to her research and recorded evidence. She has been accused of being a hoaxer and a liar.
Alison openley admits that she has mistaken actual craft for unknown craft on a few occasions and that this is human error. She tells us she is not perfect.
I find that reasoning perfectly acceptable, as to this day Alison Kruse is the only person who has investigated and recorded the exact same behaviour of these objects that I and friends have observed our selves.
What I have personally observed is demonstrated in this Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvOE1MfpvKU
Make of it what you will.
Me and one particular friend have observed the same lights, same behaviour, same frequency (if not more), and the same location, i.e: Forest/wooded area's.
Here's a quick interview for you to judge your own character reference:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIkv7tCEfUM
Notice that Alison states she only took an interest after seeing these repeatedly and locally without much effort or seeking.
The same applies to myself.
ETA: She got a bad rap for shining lasers at these things - But heck, 'whatever!', she's invested time and money following her curiousty - I don't blame her one bit.
Additional interview:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkGQRueTtjw
She seems quite rational & at ease, not like frightened by these sightings.
She doesn't try to explain them either, which is good.
And she did all the right things like check with the FAA & sherriffs....
As for lasers, someone flew a drone over my house last month & i zapped it with my UV laser, so that must have cost him a camera at least, haven't seen him again ;D
Had it been a UFO, i think a flashlight would have been enough.
I admire her efforts to get a spectral picture as well, but it won't work, these craft ionise all the gases in the air so you can expect a whole rainbow, like the Arora Borealis, especially as they can (apparently) modulate that field at any desired frequency, not just those in our spectrum.
In short, if they are visible, they want to be seen ;)
yeah.. i know exactly where this is.. been there checked it out years ago
http://www.disclose.tv/forum/alison-kruse-ufo-airport-update-t48286.html
while there are so many things in the sky around here some of it..actually a lot of it
can be explained
Well the photos are way too vague, and that last drawing, i cant see it in the picture, have to wait for Deuem or Sander to look at it....
but the films were interesting, definitely not helicopters.
But then again they did have something very similar to nav lights, one green, one red, but even that could also have meant it was 1) human built, or 2) clever aliens copying our nav lights.
Confusing? You bet! :D
sorry to put this guy on as he's nuts too..but check out where she is filming..
it is a small airfield..
i have personally checked this out...
while this guy is nuts..he's right
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDIufjh9xAU#t=203
Both: the purpose of this thread is too investigate claims of UFO mimicry of conventional craft (to address your last point PWM) ..
I watched 6/14 minutes of the debunking video, I couldn't stand that guys voice much longer..
In 6 minutes he made one 'worthwhile' statement which was "she's seeing planes".
Of course thats *his* opinion.
He said she is surreounded by multiple airports..
My reply to that is "so what".
There is only ONE airport in Birminghan, and that's over 15 miles from my UFO sightings, which are identicle to Seeing UFO'sPA.
All of her detractors seem to behave like trolls.
This lady has been hacked and harrassed. There are thousands of hoaxters online, so why go to soo much trouble to close this lady down?
I think that's an important perpective.
well if you would have stayed till 10 m.. which i admit takes a toll listening to him
you would have heard about one of two military bases with lots and lots of military
things going up in the sky..
i have been fascinated by sky things forever and years ago when someone sent me one of her vids.. i was thrilled.. but
i drive the road she was filnming on..have driven it for years..
drove it again after doing a map search...there is a small air strip right where she was filming
it's private ...
i called some folks i know in the area...got a few stories..i don't go by stories but they are always
a good piece of the puzzle
she's a drama queen in need of attention...
now i don't live real far from there and i have seen things in the sky that do not fit anything and that i can't identify YET....
soooooooooooo while i believe totally that there are things HERE in this AREA..
imo
what she is selling smells
Your input has been taken on board.
You raise a good point.. What is she 'selling'?
I've not yet come across any sales pitch..
In regards to the 'attention' seeking perpective; for an 'attention' seeker, she quite low key and reserved..
As PWM points out, she hasn't even drawn any conclusions..
well her posse has ask for money.. i quit following so sorry i can't point to those links
and while i was thrilled at first.. i was really pissed after checking it out for myself
becaue there are things here..and there are good folk looking and trying to figure it out
she was just making the real work laughable
if you read some of the comments to this you can see the questions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lc0lh_LOVJA
there are so many other possibilities to what is going on..but when you can for sure discount what she is saying.. and i can because i spend a night out there..all the lights even have plane engines sounds with them..and they are down low because she was looking from on top of a hill
and i could go on but it still ticks me off..
anyway.. each case needs to be looked at and endlessly poked at to find the truth
in this particular case.. i was able to do that
sorry if it is disappointing..
Each to their own :)
I try to see it5 only from my own standpoint, for example.
Have i ever seen a UFO?
No i don't think so.
Do i believe they exist?, yes, without question.
Does ET exist?, again yes no question.
Are they visiting Earth?, probably.
How many of these stories are real? Not many, but a few seem to stick out, like this one, and that's my 2 cents :P
Personally i think it was a TR3-B or similar secret craft, of human origin.
I accept all evidence and perspectives..
If she's making these things up - it's strange, as it highlights a certain sort of UFO sighting..
A sort which I'm only just trying to pin down, (with science).
Take for example my UFO sightings, as listed on page one.
A strange and wonderful assortment, of seemingly random phenomena.
Only after close examination do you see that they're not comepletely random..
Began in 2010, peaked in 2011, slowed in 2013.
I was not alone in these sightings.
Rumours emerged from all local posts codes over the same period of time.
Each person repeating the description of the same 'random' things; 'stars' that sit there for a few hours, then just suddenly flew away, high frequecy of low planes and bright lights, reports of black helicopters, planes with strange coloured lights, strange meteors.. And maybe a select other few.
Reports have died down immensly since 2012. But that's only my ears on the ground locally. I'm no longer down that 'neck of the woods' and my own sightings have pretty much dried up.
Having said that, weird events happened in my original town just just last week. Really eerie stuff..
Point being, that's a 'UFO' wave spanning a two year period.
And nobody is collecting this info...
They are there, they are measurable, we can study them.. We just need to be observant and creative.
Make a few databases, how hard could it be? ::) ;D
QuotePoint being, that's a 'UFO' wave spanning a two year period.
And nobody is collecting this info...
The truth is out there my dear, have you tried ATS?
QuoteThey are there, they are measurable, we can study them.. We just need to be observant and creative.
We are, we have the greatest colection of analytical minds, IMHO ;D
QuoteMake a few databases, how hard could it be?
Easy enough, until the trolls & disinfo peeps turn up, then your database gets full of garbage. MUFON & other databases have been somewhat compromised, IMO. And i certainly could not use a YT video as evidence of anything, although we DID use them to dissect Searl etc......just food for thought.....
geeeeze guys no need to be so touchy
i wasn't calling you into question sinny.. and pwm no need to jump to her defence.. i wasn't attacking anyone here
i was only realting a personal experience with this.. i rarely get to go check out anyones story but this one i did and i was relating what i had found.. that's all
if you have read anything i have on here you will know that i accept anyones personal experience
i have seen things i can't explain .. i have taken some photos of stuff i can't explain
and i search to find answers on a bunch of the old questions
are they et's or some dimensional shift - had one of those happen right in my hallway..and i have told that story on here
so what is happening in general.. i can't say ..i can only eliminate some stuff by critical thinking
and continue to question and observe
but
dang this time i actually checked out something.. and i call fake on what she is calling ufo's
why she is doing it i have no idea.....is it like things others have seen that are real..i don't know
the only thing i can say for sure is that what she is filming are planes...
that's its.. no more no less
Sinny Birds in same order
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(http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa458/deuem/bbirds.jpg) (http://s1198.photobucket.com/user/deuem/media/bbirds.jpg.html)
(http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa458/deuem/cbirds.jpg) (http://s1198.photobucket.com/user/deuem/media/cbirds.jpg.html)
(http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa458/deuem/dbirds.jpg) (http://s1198.photobucket.com/user/deuem/media/dbirds.jpg.html)
(http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa458/deuem/ebirds.jpg) (http://s1198.photobucket.com/user/deuem/media/ebirds.jpg.html)
(http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa458/deuem/fbirds.jpg) (http://s1198.photobucket.com/user/deuem/media/fbirds.jpg.html)
(http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa458/deuem/gbirds.jpg) (http://s1198.photobucket.com/user/deuem/media/gbirds.jpg.html)
Aliens
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(http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa458/deuem/aliens2.jpg) (http://s1198.photobucket.com/user/deuem/media/aliens2.jpg.html)
Deuem
ok try this link to see how many samll airports are near her
http://www.bing.com/maps/default.aspx?form=MSNNAV&refig=4eb4694771224c089b725c3f63b7ca22#Y3A9NDAuNDcwNDUyfi03OS40MTY1MDQmbHZsPTEwJnN0eT1yJnNzPXlwLmFpcnBvcnRzfnBnLjF
give it a second and then go in about 4 times to look closer.. all those little blue dots are airstrips of all sizes...check out how close they are to murraysville
there are three military ones that are not on the map.. three that i know of.. probably more
Quote from: sky otter on March 07, 2014, 05:28:51 AM
ok try this link to see how many samll airports are near her
http://www.bing.com/maps/default.aspx?form=MSNNAV&refig=4eb4694771224c089b725c3f63b7ca22#Y3A9NDAuNDcwNDUyfi03OS40MTY1MDQmbHZsPTEwJnN0eT1yJnNzPXlwLmFpcnBvcnRzfnBnLjF
give it a second and then go in about 4 times to look closer.. all those little blue dots are airstrips of all sizes...check out how close they are to murraysville
there are three military ones that are not on the map.. three that i know of.. probably more
In relation to your post at the top Sky, I didn't feel attacked, nor do I think PWM was defening me..
We're just discussing...
Thank you Deuem, do you have any observations?
How do you think the control birds compare to the initial 'Robert Birds'? ;D
Sorry Sky, i didn't intend to upset anyone, or really to defend Sinny, i did post my own opinion, that's all.
In my post i did state they were probably TR3-B's or such.
If so, a Deuem process will show it :D
As for the alien pics, i can't see the aliens in the pictures that were in the 'drawing'.
The only thing that strikes me is she was trying to get spectral pictures to try & determine the fuel source, does that sound like the actions of a faker?
She could have easily faked some pure light source & overlaid it on the photo, whatever, and said 'look i found a hydrogen signature' or something like that.
She did not, her results were messy as i knew they would be, and she admitted that much.
And the birds look just like birds to me ;D
well good that's cleared up
we are basically all looking for answers to the same questions
but because of who we are and where we are in our experience and knowledge
we sometimes knock heads over what we find
but it's all good
;D
Cool :D
By the way,i have planned for a very long time, to make a series of test photo's for Deuem and Sander to play with.
They will simply be 2 photo's of an object, exactly identical.
the only difference between them will be that one is highly charged, or magnetised, etc etc and the other is not.
To keep this experiment completely impartial, only I will know which is which, and what particular field, and how much, is on or around that object.
With that kind of info, we will then have more of a solid base for analysing UFO pictures.
If Deuem & Sander (or any other member) gets it right, i will post exactly what was happening in that pic. 8) so then you know what you are looking at.
I want to cover not only the whole EM spectrum, but a few other 'fields' as well, so this is quite a long term project!
Whatcha think?
Maybe we could offer up a prize, like a free book on Amazon, one of T.T.B.'s papers, or a plot on the Moon :D
Runners up will recieve one of John Lear's hats (loved the show btw) and a copy of our 'interviews' DVD 8)
Quote from: PlaysWithMachines on March 07, 2014, 08:39:22 PM
Whatcha think?
I think it's a great idea. :)
I once took a photo of a hot rock and a photo of the same rock after being some hours in the freezer, but those energies were probably low when compared with what you can get.
OK i sent the link to the experts, LOL
Yes, heat is a funny thing.
The specific heat capacity of rocks are quite high, ask a Beduin 8)
But with electricity, you can put a LOT of energy into an object in a VERY short time.
A freind of mine tried to boil an egg in a microwave.....it almost took the door off :o
ETA: I have been looking at plans for a water-powered moped, using a domestic mikkey oven magnetron & some high voltage gizmo's
They run cold, so you don't need the 300 watt heater :P :-X
...and they run on water
Okay, where is the link? I like to get going.
No link as yet, i still have to take those pics, and THAT means clearing the workbench, and THAT will take a few more days, sorry :-[
I have to finish This (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=5337.0) project first.....
But this is something i discussed with Deuem for some time.
SO i will post those pictures on the "inventors group open forum" Here (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?board=194.0), when i get around to it.
But i think we could all benefit from this, no?
-PWM-
Honestly I am not fully convinced that I will be able to dectect the (or any) anomaly in your images but I can be mistaken. Fact is that we do not know anything about the energy source UFO use and we "assume" that they use similar but much more advanced technology as found on earth, which causes changes in the energy field. In my opinion they use an unknown type of propulsion / energy and that is why my software sees these energy lines with UFO but not with ordinary objects like an airplane. At least that is my theory. I have often been asked why I have not performed enhancements done on UFO on objects located on earth or in earth atmosphere in order to see if the results are the same. People who ask those questions do not know anything about the way light behaves in - and outside a gaseous atmosphere. You cannot compare objects photographed in a vacuum environment with those captured on earth. Light reflections, light absorptions, atmospheric disturbance, colour changes affected due to the gasses in an atmosphere, light intensity, light angle, these all have to be considered. Ergo: We will never be able to compare pictures.
If that post was to me Sander, cool.
In relation to the piks..
As from the very first batch of photo's processed (page one), one object in particular had a high probability of being a UFO (according to Deuem), If you take into account the live visual and processed evidence, that particular object is in fact 100% Unidentified (by definiftion). That particular case was the 'orb' bird.
In the above photo's, the first three are taken from the same footage of one bird/orb that apears to be one bird, then two, then an orb, and then one bird once again.
The process does indicate a true change in the nature of the bird. Quite drasitcally too.
The same can be said for the second set of bird images.
The control birds that we know for sure are actually birds, do indeed look like birds.
I could be off, and I could be reading it all wrong, but I think I'm not mistaken in noticing the initial 'bird' from my first set above, does seem to change form.
I hope Deuem, can pop bye and share his thoughts.
In regards to evidence relating to the 'fake planes', I have found a source who seems to have done phenomenal work.. I just need to get to a PC.
I'm going to steer clear of any 'supernatural' phenomenon here, at least until we build the psi-detector 8) And we do know quite a bit about how these craft fly, a lot of it i can't post because it is still classified material :-X
QuoteYou cannot compare objects photographed in a vacuum environment with those captured on earth. Light reflections, light absorptions, atmospheric disturbance, colour changes affected due to the gasses in an atmosphere, light intensity, light angle, these all have to be considered. Ergo: We will never be able to compare pictures.
True, but i was referring to 'atmospheric' phenomena, I.E. UFO's on earth.
Subtle differences in lighting from (for exampe) highly charged bodies versus inert ones, will (if seen) give us more of a base-line to work with.
Also, if the EM or EG field around the craft is running at optical frequencies, then it will simply emit light like a giant LED. No reflection but a source.
I believe that in space they have more control over this than in our atmosphere, where ionisation will cause the air to glow, more as an unwanted side effect than for our benefit ;)
P.s PWM's proposed experiment with Deuem sounds promising and much needed..
Alot of our newer members may not realize the thousands of hours that have gone into the deuem process.
Deuem may be scamming us all but i doubt it.too many folks involved in the process.its basically one of our aces here at pegasus.
I would give it a 95% accuracy under the right conditions.
It even pulls out anomilies that the visual eye cant see in a picture.
The test pwm mentions will valedate this process even more.
My stepdad brought up a good point.what if flocks of birds flying were really camouflaged ufos.we wouldnt know until we test the theory.
Quote from: Sinny on March 09, 2014, 12:42:52 PM
P.s PWM's proposed experiment with Deuem sounds promising and much needed..
I am not participating this "test"as to prove that my research and enhancements are correct. I also do not doubt Deuem's techniques nor any other technique. Fact is that 99,9% of the people that know Photoshop or similar programmes still believe that these programmes are showing the maximum that can be achieved in image enhancement. Reality is that other programmes (unknown applications to most of you) are way better and they offer more and better techniques.
Can I really show the energy emmitted by a UFO? Of course not. You cannot see energy in a picture or video. What you can do is use specific software and specific algorithms that make tiniest pixel distortions visible. Common software is not capable showing these so-called fields (distortions) but under certain circumstances these fields become visible and this "ringing" effect can amplified so fields or regions with distorted (re-arranged) pixels become better visible.
Honestly I possess quite some know how when it comes to forensic image and video enhancement (both professional as private) but the final results always depends on the quality of the software that has been used. Neither Deuem nor me can perform magic. "Our magic" is a combination of using the right software, having proper knowledge how to use it in the best possible manner and finally, we all have this sense that helps us finding anomalies or we sense that there is something different about a video or picture that requires further investigsation. Again I do not and never felt any need proving myself to anyone. If that is the general idea behind this "test" than consider this my last contribution.
I expect you to test more not less.challenging the status quo is what we are known for.even against each other.all insight is considered valuable.if we are being scammed by the deuem process.call us out.
I piss people off all the time by calling them out.as long as you dont cuss or stalk.you wont get banned.lol
Also sander.not to sound harsh.but earlier you said we dont know ahout gasses reacting in the vacuum of space.a51watcher has a whole collection of atmosphere gasses and other gasses in excitation and there line spectrums.it really cool if your into that thing.lots of neon type colors in the actual tubes they were tested in.
Ive tried to get him to start a thread on it and cattalogue them all for pegasus easy reference as there isnt currently a catalogue out there that i know off.
We as a group are ahead of the curve.just not well organized.
like herding cats.
but real smart cats.
Quote from: 1967sander on March 09, 2014, 05:06:24 PM
Common software is not capable showing these so-called fields (distortions) but under certain circumstances these fields become visible and this "ringing" effect can amplified so fields or regions with distorted (re-arranged) pixels become better visible.
A pixel is a pixel, for Photoshop or for any other software, so a pixel with an RGB value of 0,0,0 is not the same as a pixel with a value of 0,0,1, in Photoshop or in any other software.
Some software may have easier ways of showing that difference (that's what Deuem's process does), but I'm sure it can be done in Photoshop, it only takes more time.
Quote from: robomont on March 09, 2014, 05:58:17 PM
a51watcher has a whole collection of atmosphere gasses and other gasses in excitation and there line spectrums.it really cool if your into that thing.lots of neon type colors in the actual tubes they were tested in.
Ive tried to get him to start a thread on it and cattalogue them all for pegasus easy reference as there isnt currently a catalogue out there that i know off.
I posted this a week ago robo
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=6342.msg88629#msg88629 (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=6342.msg88629#msg88629)
(herds robo kitty into the right thread to keep up)
...also, deuem has managed to process an old 1947 photo! -
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=329.msg88733#msg88733 (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=329.msg88733#msg88733)
Thankyou a51.
I got some lookin to do.meow
@Sinny
Hello Sinny,
I was intriqued by your story about the fake byrdz so I examined the video. I used histogram equalization, refocus and optical deblur and the result is a video in which, in my opinion we do not see two birds with orbs but sunlight reflection in bird's eyes and sunlight reflection in the tailfeathers and on the beaks. Below are four images: (A and B) the original snapshot from your video and (C) a still frame from my video. After processing the AVI file became 514 Mb large so I compressed it to FLV format which eventually lead to quality loss due to heavy compression. Nevertheless the video is clear and the "reflections" are clearly visible as well. One image is particularly interesting. (D) The two birds twist their heads at the same time and we instantly see the reflection in both of their right eye.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGO9SwW8faY
...and on the previous page of that thread I posted the multi- discharge tube photo along with several frames from my video for color comparison of the gasses -
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=6342.msg88620#msg88620 (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=6342.msg88620#msg88620)
Yes I have seen the tubes. Interesting! The gas with highest abundance in earth's atmosphere is nitrogen. Nitrogen gives a purple colour when heated at plasma temperature. This could explain purple colored UFO.
But . . . fireballs seen all over the world have a greenish/yellow colour.
How can we explain that?
Thank you Sander,
Although, the birds of the most interest to me are the ones that are claimed to have changed form. I'm for anyone who can prove or disprove the apparent transformations.
Ditto on what sanders wrote.
And I think most of this is because what the camera saw.We do not see like a camera, they can pick up and record things we can not see. UV cameras make things glow. do they really glow? Or is it the process of the camera/film media? How things that are not power sources yet refect light are difficult to process. The best think we can do is to compare and remove knowns.
Deuem
Bruce Cornet - Investigator of UAP
QuoteBruce Cornet , Ph.D.
Dr. Bruce Cornet, AOP Researcher, Geologist, Paleobotanist, Palynologist
Bruce has initiated a research project to install passive detection and monitoring devices at UFO hot spots around the US. He has many of his own outstanding sighting photos and videos on his web site. And, he is an authority on events that have been occurring in the Pine Bush, NY area from the 1980's to the present time.
Dr. Bruce Cornet is on the staff of the National Institute for Discovery Science
http://www.ufoevidence.org/Researchers/Detail62.htm
QuoteCV
EDUCATION
Education
? Brookdale Community College (NJ) computer programming (C and Java) September 1999-2000
? Chubb Computer Institute (3 Units) Mainframe Programming (JCL and Cobol) 1998-1999
? Brookdale Community College (NJ) (3 semesters) TV Production 1996-1997
? Princeton University (NJ) (2 audits) Religion/Gnosticism Fall/1995
? The Pennsylvania State University Ph.D. Geology/Palynology 11/1977
? University of Connecticut M.S. Botany/Paleobotany 05/1973
? University of Connecticut B.A. Biology 06/1970
? Fairleigh Dickinson University (NJ) (transfered) Zoology/pre-Med 1963-66
? Conard High School (W.Htfd., CT) general 1960-63
Summary of Employment history
? Professor of Geology, El Paso Community College, El Paso, TX. 8/04 to present
? Professor of Geology and Botany, Raritan Valley Community College, Somerville, NJ. 1/03 to present
? Professional Photographer, Lors Studio, Union, NJ. 8/00-11/00 (seasonal)
? SETV proposal and five year engineer and science project (under development)
? MCAT Instructor, Princeton Review of NJ, Inc., New Brunswick, NJ. 1/99-1/00
? Mainframe Computer Programming, student (Chubb Institute). 7/98-7/99
? Sabbatical - scientific research and writing. 3/93-12/98
? Staff Associate, Lamont-Doherty Earth Obs. 4/90-2/93
? Chief Consulting Geologist, Eastern Exploration, Inc. 12/89-3/90
? Research Associate, Lamont-Doherty Earth Obs. 7/89-12/89
? Post-Doctoral Research Assoc., Lamont-Doherty Earth Obs. 8/88-7/89
? Independent geological consultant, Houston, TX 4/85-7/88
? Stratigrapher and Manager of Palynology Lab., Superior Oil Co., Houston, TX 5/82-3/85
? President, Geminoil, Inc., Houston, TX 4/81-5/82
? Senior Geologist, Exxon Co., U.S.A., Houston, TX 8/80-3/81
? Senior Geologist, Gulf Res. & Dev. Co., Houston, TX 6/77-7/80
? Carling Electric Co., West Hartford, CT 5/69-8/69
? Pratt & Whitney Aircraft Co., East Hartford, CT 8/66-1/68
Professional Societies
? Alpha Pi Theta honor society (Brookdale C.C.), inducted March 1997.
? The American Association of Petroleum Geologists, 1977 to 1996.
? The American Association of Stratigraphic Palynologists, 1972 to 1996.
? The Botanical Society of America, 1971 to 1996.
? Sigma Xi honor society (Penn State), elected 1975.
? Phi Kappa Phi honor society (U. Conn), elected 1970.
? Phi Zeta Kappa honor society (F.D.U.), elected 1964.
www.stealthskater.com/Documents/Cornet_01.doc
http://www.sunstar-solutions.com/ResumeGEO.htm
http://www.xzonedirectory.com/cornetb.html
Abduction ExperiencesQuote
The Massanutten Mountain Abduction
The following account was written by Bruce Cornet, M.S., Ph.D. who was one of the witnesses during this encounter.
It took place near the Massanutten Mountain ski resort near Harrisonburg, Virginia in Rockingham County. I was not familiar with the incident and stumbled upon it by accident. Cornet is currently part of National Institute for Discovery Science, which was created by Robert Bigelow of Bigelow Aerospace Advanced Space Studies. NIDS is supposedly involved with investigation of the infamous 'Skinwalker Ranch.' I'll get into that at a later date, Anyway...here's the account as written:
November 26, 1993 – My family and I spent Thanksgiving with my wife's mother, Lynn Huff, in Massanutten, Virginia, a ski resortlocated in the Blue Ridge mountains near Harrisonburg. I discovered while there a past history of abductions in that community, one of which resulted in the death of my wife's brother Bobby in 1980 bydoctors administering a tranquilizer following his Travis Walton-type abduction (He had a fatal allergic reaction to the drug). Ironically, Lynn lives on Hopkins Lane. I was preoccupied with going to skytop overlook at the top of the ridge overlooking the ski resort and valley to the east. I wanted to go there around 8:00 pm and look for unusual lights in the sky. My wife, Pat, wanted to come along. We drove our van up the switchback road to the parking lot near the top of the ridge, and parked at the opposite end of the parking lot from the entrance, looking out over the valley below. There was one vehicle parked there. I set up my camera and tripod in front of the van near the guard rail. A security patrol car (Chevy caprice) arrived shortly after we arrived and then returned back down to the valley. The vehicle that was there when we arrived soon left also. I took a two minute exposure of the lights in the valley. The time was 8:18 pm.....
http://www.highstrangeness.tv/0-38573-the-massanutten-mountain-abduction.html
UFO ENCOUNTER AND ABDUCTION ON MASSANUTTEN MOUNTAIN, VA
See link for full report.
http://www.sunstar-solutions.com/AOP/Massanutten/Massanutten.htm
The 1981 Wellsite Abduction
See link for full report.
http://www.sunstar-solutions.com/AOP/Abduction/abduct.htm
QuoteShot, Implanted, and Tracked by Aliens?
by Bruce Cornet, Ph.D.
Introduction
Recently I was asked how I had so many close encounters and sightings of UAP. "How are you landing in the right spots to get these videos of the "TR3" or "the real thing" on your website?" How was I able to capture sightings on time exposures or on video that other investigators rarely got first hand? The late Dr. Ellen Crystall had similar success in filming craft in the Pine Bush area: Silent Invasion, 1991. Most investigators, however, have not been as successful, forcing them to study second or third hand reports from others. To date I have had about 130 encounters or sightings, most of which occurred in the states of New York and New Jersey, and many from a distance of less than 500 feet (e.g. The Transformation; The Snaking Manta Fly-By; The Cemetery Sighting: "Oh Sure!"). The vast majority of sightings occurred between 1992 and 2003 in Orange County, New York, between the towns of Pine Bush, Montgomery, and Walden.
AOP = Anomalistic Observational Phenomenon - a general overall term for something unexplainable.
UAP = Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon - preferred because it does not imply origin or source.
UFO = Unidentified Flying Object - not preferred because it has become synonymous with alien spacecraft.
Because many of my sightings involved stealth angular craft such as FTs and the Manta Ray, some skeptics have been quick to dismiss my evidence as misidentifications of commercial or military aircraft. For example, Amy Herbert states on The Yahoo Black Triangle E-Group (25 March 2004): "Anyone who has been following Dr. Bruce Cornet's claims and 'research' over the years would know what a flake he is. He claimed he was followed by UFO's that "communicated" with him and he went around photographing and video taping planes flying overhead calling them UFO's (you can even hear the engine sounds in one footage)."
Their arguments and opinions are based in part on ignorance and bias, and in part on the patterns of navigation lights, which resemble that of commercial and military aircraft. Take for example the pattern of navigation lights for the DC-9, which commonly flew in and out of Stewart International Airport at Newburgh, NY: When compared to those of some FTs, the differences are apparent when the details are examined.
Ignorance of my work and data are not limited to non-scientists and housewives. I was surprised - no shocked - that the Administrator of NIDS and members of Bigelow's Science Advisory Board (including Jacque Vallee) were mostly unaware of my research and findings when I joined NIDS as their new Deputy Administrator in January 2004, even though some of my research data had been available on the internet for as long as eight years! Since then there has been improvement through interest and education.
I have addressed the problem of misidentification, similarities, and differences between UAP and conventional aircraft on numerous web pages, in particular on Mimicry may be the Objective of ETI Triangular and Diamond-shaped Probes. I have also addressed the problem of sound mimicry, and shown that UAP can project fake sounds in order to mimic the sounds of conventional turbofan engines. However, when spectrographically analyzed, the differences are apparent. One of the most apparent differences is the near absence of white noise (>2 kHz) as is present on all spectrograms of conventional jet engine sounds. Most speaker systems made by humans are incapable of accurately replicating white noise due to physical vibrational limitations and power requirements above four kilohertz. Either the FTs have a noise suppression system that significantly reduces white noise or the sound was played through a speaker system: Hence fake sound.
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ALSO SEE: Reversed Doppler - RAW WAV FILES
http://www.sunstar-solutions.com/AOP/reversedoppler/reversedoppler.htm
Crystall and I are not unique in having had numerous and repeated sightings of UAP. Ed (The Judge) of Spokan, Washington, has photographed many UAP near where he lives, and had many of his images published on the Jeff Rense website, while Jennifer Jarvis has an entire website (ORBWATCH) devoted to her research on UAP over Lake Ontario, Canada. In 2003 Jennifer became aware of Ed's sightings (she was already aware of mine). She states on one of her web pages: "A visitor to Orbwatch, who lives near Valleyford in Washington State, noticed that the events he has been observing and photographing near his home are very similar in nature to those that I have been witnessing and documenting over Lake Ontario.
My sightings and encounters (along with those of Crystall) differ in one major respect from those of Jennifer and Ed in that the craft would come to me in the field and sometimes pace my car along the highway or along farm roads, traveling below 500 feet altitude for miles. In addition, the types of craft I saw were commonly triangular or diamond-shaped when their silhouettes could be made out against the night sky. Typically they put on performances for my cameras and for those of visiting television producers, and traveled across state borders to visit me in Red Bank, NJ, where I lived at the time: See A Performance over Red Bank. Also see The Escort. These aspects of my encounters are difficult for people to accept who are not familiar with the phenomenon, causing them to be sarcastic and even insulting. But what most casual readers of my websites commonly miss are the details on various web pages which give meaning and understanding to what happened to me. Perhaps the most important detail (highlighted in blue below) is presented on my web page called, The Cydonia II Report...
Let's go back to the question: How was I landing in the right spots to get those videos?
Many times events happen in life because of the choices we make. No one prior to my involvement had taken a Precession Proton Magnetometer into the field to map magnetic anomalies near Pine Bush. As I stated above, when I began taking magnetic measurements on 14 June 1992 along Rt. 52 and Albany Post Road with Patricia Huff, the data for each site contained numerous recurring magnetic spikes thousands of gammas above background levels. The next time I went out into the field (18 June), all measurements were normal (i.e. at background levels).
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.....
http://www.sunstar-solutions.com/AOP/Implanted/Implanted.htm
QuoteSpecial Agent 707
Introduction
On 24 September 1992 between 6:10 pm and 7:20 pm Dr. Cornet was driving home from work at Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory in Palisades, NY. He lived in Middletown, NY, about 70 minutes from his job. He normally took the New York Throughway (I-87) north to exit 16 (Harriman), and then took State Route 17M west to exit 20 at Middletown. From there he drove about two miles east on Rte. 211E to his condo at Hillside Village. On this particular day he was about to enter the Twilight Zone as he approached the Harriman exit (16).
Story
Sunset was quickly approaching as Cornet drove north towards his exit on the New York Throughway, but it did not set before he saw something that completely challenged his senses. Off to his right between the highway and Bear Mountain, which parallels the highway, he saw a large jetliner approaching in the distance. The only problem was its altitude. It was flying below the top of Bear Mountain, which has a maximum elevation of only 300 feet above the valley floor.
As it approached him it flashed its landing lights several times - on, off, on, off, on, off. By now the jetliner was less than a half mile away, and it clearly had his attention. Then the aircraft began to bank to its right. It slowly crossed the highway just in front of him in plain view. It was not much higher than 200 feet above the highway as it crossed less than 500 feet in front of him. It just reached the other side of the highway as he passed it. It had the distinct shape of a Boeing 707, but was painted solid black. There were no markings on it whatsoever. Even the windows seemed to be blackened out. It did make a sound like a jetliner as it passed near him.
Simulation showing AOP (Anomalistic Observational Phenomena: Baker, 1968) as it crossed highway just south of Harriman exit on NY I-87
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OK, now. Let's here from the skeptics. What could explain a large jetliner flying well below minimum altitude of 1,000 feet (FAA regulation outside airport control) and the pilot flashing his landing lights? Was the pilot in trouble? Was he trying to alert drivers on the highway as he attempted to make an emergency landing on the highway?
FAA regulation 91.515 Flight altitude rules: (a) Notwithstanding 91.119 and except as provided in paragraph (b) of this section, no person may operate an airplane under VFR at less than -- (1) One thousand feet above the surface, or 1,000 feet from any mountain, hill, or other obstruction to flight, for day operations; and (2) The altitudes prescribed in 91.177 for night operations. (b) This section does not apply -- (1) During takeoff or landing; (2) When a different altitude is authorized by a waiver to this section under subpart J of this part; or (3) When a flight is conducted under a special VFR weather minimum of 91.157 with an appropriate clearance from ATC.
FAA regulation 91.177 Minimum altitude for IFR operations. (a) Operation of aircraft at minimum altitudes. Except when necessary for takeoff and landing, no person may operate an aircraft under IFR below - (1) The applicable minimum altitudes prescribed in Parts 95 and 97 of this chapter; or (2) If no applicable minimum altitude is prescribed in those parts -- (i) In the case of operations over an area designated a mountainous area in part 95, an altitude of 2,000 feet above the highest obstacle within a horizontal distance of 4 nautical miles from the course to be flown; or (ii) In any other case, an altitude of 1,000 feet above the highest obstacle within a horizontal distance of 4 nautical miles from the course to be flown (AIM/FAR 1994 airman's information manual / federal aviation regulations).
These were some of the thoughts running through Cornet's mind as he prepared to take his exit at the Harriman toll exchange. What disturbed him the most was his observation that there were no engine pods on the wings or body of the aircraft. He dismissed that observation as probably mistaken (it made no sense whatsoever, given that he heard the distinct sound of jet engines). He continued on his journey, now traveling west on Rte 17M. But no further than a couple miles from the toll booths he saw the same aircraft again. This second time it crossed the highway from left to right about 1/2 mile ahead of him. It was again very low to the ground, and travelling at a slow speed: It took about five seconds to cross the highway. He became very concerned, because there was now the distinct possibility that the pilot was in serious trouble and preparing to make a crash landing. Even though the area seemed under-developed, Cornet knew that just beyond the trees along the highway there were large residential communities. And several hills jutted up on both sides of the highway, making any low altitude flight there very hazardous.
Cornet continued to question his eyes regarding the apparent speed of the aircraft. It seemed to be going much too slow to stay in the air. The map below shows four locations of his truck when the AOP crossed in front of him over the highway.
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About a mile or two further west on Rte 17M Cornet saw the aircraft again about 1/2 mile ahead of him. This third time it crossed the highway from right to left at a similar slow speed and low altitude. He gave a sigh of relief that it had not crashed into the residential community, but where was it going and why? It was now becoming more apparent to him that whatever this thing was, it was putting on a show just for him. No one in front of him or behind him on the highway had been there for all three shows. But it couldn't be targeting him, he thought. Who would ever believe him if he told such a wild story without evidence? Anybody knows that a Boeing 707 can't fly without engines, and it would drop out of the air like a rock much below a stall speed of about 150 knots.
Cornet drove another mile shaking his head and wondering if anyone else who saw this aircraft was asking the same questions. Then ahead of him there it was for the fourth time crossing the highway, but this time from left to right. He had a hard time staring at it, because the Sun was just beginning to touch the horizon directly behind the aircraft. The highway at this point was oriented exactly east-west. This would be the last time he saw the aircraft in daylight, but not the last time that evening. The best was yet to come.
About 32 minutes later he was approaching his exit at Middletown, NY. The time was 7:12 pm. It was completely dark by then. As he approached the exit for Rte 211E, he saw a jetliner with all its night lights on approaching from the west-northwest (Truck 5 location on map below). Because commercial jets on their way to Stewart airport 23 miles away commonly flew over Rte 211E, which is aligned with the main runway in this area, it is not uncommon to see a low-flying jet with landing lights on fly over this intersection. But even jetliners on a glidepath did not fly as low as this aircraft flew that night. As the AOP got closer, Cornet had a distinct sinking feeling that it was the same aircraft he had observed before (perhaps because of its low altitude). He was not sure until it got over him. By the time it reached his location, he was driving down the exit ramp to a stoplight at Rte 211E. He glanced back and saw the jetliner just to his left out of the corner of his left eye as he slowed to a stop. It was nearly above him. But when he got to the light and stopped (Truck 6 location on map below), the jetliner did not appear ahead of him. He looked all around. It was nowhere to be seen.
The light changed about five seconds later, and he made a right turn onto the road to his condo. As he turned the aircraft appeared directly above and in front of him. It moved slowly ahead of him, but he caught up to it as he accelerated. In hind sight he realized that it must have stopped with him at the light. The aircraft was so low to the ground that its wings spanned the four lane road containing a grass divider.
Picture taken looking north from Middletown Motel, which is located at the intersection of routes 17M and 211E.
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Not too many people would have paid much attention to it at this busy intersection, because of so much commercial airtraffic in the area. As he drove east on Rte 211E the aircraft remained just ahead of him. But he was traveling at only 45 mph! Then he had to slow down for traffic in front of him. He watched in total amazement as this huge aircraft (without any apparent engines) slowly moved down the road and eventually disappeared from sight.
Methods
His Minolta camera was mounted on an aluminum platform. In front of a 300 mm zoom lens sat a three-bladed wheel mounted to a small electric motor. A pressure sensitive switch to that motor was mounted on the bottom of the platform in front of the tripod mount. Cornet used this device to chop a time exposure of a moving object at a known rate, which enabled him to calculate relative speed, and actual speed if he had a known measurement for the object. At night he photographed mostly the lights of flying objects. That night the chopper device proved to be worth its weight in gold.
The chopper device is not required to calculate the speed of an object. Rutledge (1981, p. 49-64) used FOV (lens type), size of film (35mm x 23 mm), and the time of the exposure to calculate possible speed and size of the objects he photographed. So long as the movement recorded on the film is contained within the margins of the image, and does not run off the edges, the total time of the exposure can be used. The chopper device was not used for all of the pictures taken of the Boeing 707-like AOP. When the light traces run off the top and/or bottom of the image, speed cannot be accurately calculated. The chopper device allows the calculation of speed when the exposure is not timed, but it also alters the image through the loss of recorded data during each chop. Click on image for chopper specifications.
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Data
At 7:39 pm Cornet spotted an aircraft approaching from the direction of Middletown, NY. It was flying over Rte 211E at an unusually low altitude of only 300-400 feet. When it was above him he could see that it was the same aircraft, because it did not have any engine pods on its wings. He then began taking time exposures. He took four pictures on the first pass. The aircraft appeared to be traveling at a snail's pace, taking at least 30 seconds to travel the distance represented by those four photographs. A set of bright parking lot lights can be seen to the far lower left of the fourth image. In that picture the aircraft can be seen to make a fishtail maneuver without banking.
During the last three pictures he used the rotating chopper blade to segment the light traces formed by solid lights. It segmented the traces three times a second. The second picture shows that the aircraft took 33 segments or 11 seconds to traverse the field of camera view. If its wingspan duplicated that of a real Boeing 707, the distance between the outermost wingtip lights would be 146 feet. By measuring the width of those lights at the beginning and end of the aircraft's path on the photo, taking their average, and dividing that distance into the length of the central trace, one gets 2.78 wing lengths traveled in 11 seconds. By multiplying 2.78 times 146, one gets 406 feet, or about 2,214 feet per minute. That computes to only 25 mph!
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Frame by Frame Comparison of
a DC9 and a Flying TriangleQuote....See Special Agent 707.... On other occasions he had seen flying triangles in the valley that mimicked the navigation lights and sounds of conventional aircraft. See Mimicry may be the Objective of ETI Triangular and Diamnond-shape Probes. Frequently upon close examination and analysis of the data collected, significant anomalies arose that confirmed what his eyes saw (or didn't see). For the skeptic, however, anecdotal data is insufficient, because observers can be mistaken; they can see things that are filtered/modified by the observers brain and made to conform with expectations, and they can be deceived by sounds and unexpected tricks of lighting - especially at night.
Data Comparison
The graphics and images presented below compare captured frames from two videos. In both cases the path of the aircraft was similar, and the position of the cameraperson was similar relative to the flight paths. Consequently, relatively similar images can be compared and analyzed.
(Sinny: Follow link for full pik comparisons)
* The "wingtip" lights on the FT (white) are larger and/or brighter than the analogous lights on the DC9 (yellow). This can be explained in part by resizing of the image for the overlay (FT image had to be enlarged), but that also means the FT was smaller than the DC9 (see below).
* The lights in front of the two tail-mounted engines on the DC9 (yellow, reflections) are positioned further towards the rear (where the engines are located). The mismatch of analogous lights for the FT is consistent with it not having a tail section, requiring that mimic lights (white) be attached on the deltoid-shaped fuselage. In addition, the two rear central lights on the FT are not equal in size/brightness, as they are for the DC9 (except where partially blocked/obscured by the fuselage). This is most evident when both aircraft are viewed from the rear. The smaller light on the FT actually disappears, while both lights are still visible on the DC9, even though one is partially obscured (less bright).
* Faint reflections off the leading edge of the FT deltoid-shaped wing (indicated by two paralleling lines) can be seen to extent to the central paired lights, indicating that there is no room for a conventional aircraft fuselage extending forward of the wings.
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* The two smaller lights that initially appeared to the left of the larger paired central lights on the FT have reflections in front of them, like the two lights on the DC9. Unexplainable is how the light that is producing the reflection on the near side disappears in subsequent frames (see sequence below), even though its reflection does not disappear. This is not the case for the DC9, where a light is always associated with each reflection.
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*The smaller far side light (#3 arrows above) actually slides towards the rear on the FT, indicating that it is not comprised of two separate lights as on the DC9. As orientation changes on the DC9 the forward light is visible, then the rear light (#2 arrow above). Because the two lights on the forward fuselage of the DC9 are not in line with one another, they cannot merge with one another. Each light on the far side is paired (opposite) with a light on the near side on the DC9. This is not the case for the FT.
*The sizes of the aircraft are different. Even though the exact altitudes are not known, the DC9 was descending from the overhead cloud ceiling on a glide path to the runway. It appeared to be descending below 1,500 feet in altitude when it passed over the observers. The FT (AOP #1), on the other hand, was not much higher than 1,000 feet when it began its approach.
(Continues in link:)
Sound
The sound made by the FT was not typical for a conventional jetliner. No sound was picked up by the camcorder until the FT was almost directly over the observers (at 8 second mark on frequency spectrogram below). This is usually not the case for conventional jetliners, which often can be heard approaching from at least a quarter mile away. In addition, there is significantly less white noise (blue above 2 kHz) evident in the frequency spectrogram for the FT than for that of most jetliners.
Spectrogram of FT recorded on 25 January 1997.
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Spectrogram of jetliner (DC9) recorded on 27 June 1997.
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The sound produced by the jetliner rumbles and breaks up into louder and softer segments, while that of the FT is brief and punctuated by distinct frequency bands.
(Follow Link for further discussion)
http://www.sunstar-solutions.com/AOP/DC-FT/dc9comp.htm
QuoteThe Landings
by Dr. Bruce Cornet, Ph.D.
http://www.sunstar-solutions.com/AOP/Landings/landing.htm
http://www.sunstar-solutions.com/AOP/EstimateoftheSituation/estimate.htm
Mystery C-5 from Stewart AFBhttp://www.sunstar-solutions.com/AOP/mystryc5/main.htm
Evidence for Plasma Light Sourceshttp://www.sunstar-solutions.com/AOP/SOW/plasma.htm
A link of Links: Including: The Manta Ray sightings
Reversed Doppler
Plasma Orbs
Reports of Westchester Wing sightings in 1984-1985 as it passed 150 feet above witnesses!
Special Agent 707
Spectacular Pictures of an American Airlines Jetliner Making an Erroneous Landing Attempt in a Farmers Field
The 6 August '92 mini-Flap over Orange County, New York
The Ascent
The Escort
The Experiment
The Illusion
The Laser Beam AOP Encounter
The Pine Bush Boomerang
The Signal
The Transformation
Unusual Phenomena Recorded at Jewish Cemetery
Power Point Presentations - Unconventional Aircraft and Their Performances
Cydnia Erath MArs Connection - Cornet
Evidence For An Underground Magnetic Focusing System
http://www.sunstar-solutions.com/AOP/SOW/aop_toc.htm
http://www.sunstar-solutions.com/AOP/SOW/sow.htm
http://www.sunstar-solutions.com/AOP/SOW/news.htm
http://userpages.monmouth.com/~bcornet/
Quote
BTW the History Channel did a shoot with me at Pine Bush. They brought various magnetometers and a ground penetrating radar. We confirmed the existence of an alien robotic probe entombed in Ordovician rock (430 million years old - a time when primitive sea life was evolving) that has been reactivated and beaming out signals into space. It is only seven to ten feet below the surface. The probe apparently landed on an island - part of an ancient archepelago of islands in a shallow sea - and was buried within marine muds, which later turned to black shales and siltstone. Erosion has nearly exposed the probe.
There are two feet of glacial stratified drift just below the surface (5-8 feet of Ordovician rocks are on top of the probe). A tree next to one of the probe's magnetic controlers is highly magnetized - 17 times higher than the background magnetic field. The signals from the probe are apparently attracting other robotic probes to the area, which is why Pine Bush is such a hot spot for UFO activity.
The History Channel will be showing this documentary in February 2008.
Yours truly,
Bruce Corbet
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/SarfattiScienceSeminars/conversations/topics/10689?var=1
Former Pilot Witnessed Airplane Changed Shape And Then Disappeared : MUFON ReportQuote
Shape Shifting Airplane - Former Pilot Witnessed Airplane Changed Shape And Then Disappeared : MUFON Report
According former pilot eyewitnesses testimonial on MUFON website case - 27684 :
I live on a mountain (3K+ feet OSL) east of Asheville NC. On February 5th, 2011 at 5:23 pm I casually standing out on my deck observing 3 hawks circling to the south of me. Then I noticed what at first I thought was a jet liner in the distance behind the hawks, moving east to west at a lower-than-normal rate of speed.
But it seemed different in shape (as the wings were not discernible) and speed and was south of me maybe 5 miles.
I quickly got my binoculars and observed what appeared to be a craft changing from an airliner (with a solid red tail, and that may be important) to a long cigar-shaped and bright silver craft. For maybe 5 seconds the craft disappeared behind some branches of trees in my view and after that the craft was nowhere to be seen in its ongoing trajectory/flight path.
It had literally disappeared. I'm a former pilot (with over 25K hours of flight time in ALL kinds of weather conditions) and I know all kinds of aircraft. This craft, again, changed into something else completely and then disappeared! That was a first for me, as I've seen many UFO's in my personal and flying career.
(Wit's name deleted--CMS/sg)
Asheville NC
http://www.ufo-blogger.com/2011/02/shape-shifting-plane-former-pilot.html
John and Sue Mann's Photographic experience - Over 500 pictures!QuoteResidents of Newburgh, NY, John and Sue Mann play an intricate part in the story of the Pine Bush phenomenon! Meeting John and Sue Mann in 1991, it was a relationship that would develop with more experiences together then one could imagine! We met as John and his wife Sue pulled up alongside my car near the old Jewish cemetery on Route 52 in Montgomery county. We all looked at each other and said "Where are the UFOs"? Some years later we found "them" in what is known as the most active UFO hotbed on the east coast, Pine Bush, NY! To this day we still spend time together on the roads of Pine Bush watching the skies! Throughout the 1990s and to this day they are still highly active in the UFO community, and also play a big part in the United Friends Observers Society better known by the locals as U.F.O.S.
Follow link for images: http://www.pinebushufo.com/pinebushpage31.htm
Quote from: deuem on March 10, 2014, 07:06:11 PM
I guess I will go find a burning building and join the others you decide to insult.
This is something I don't need in my life at all!
Goodbye!
No thank you Deuem, your staying put! ;)
Wait a minute, Deuem please calm down,
What i think Robo means, is that if anyone outside pegasus thinks you are a scam, then they have to call us out, meaning the group as a whole.
i'm quite sure he was defending you, it just came out differently, read his post again, please.............
And Robo, please try to word it better next time.
It is not always a good idea to keep calling peeps out, for one thing you might get swatted, and for another, peeps will be reluctant to rally to your side, in case THEY get called out too....
I hope that clears things up >:(
Well, I thought robo was referring to Sander...
Back to work please folks!
deuem
robo was complimenting you and letting you know that pegasus has your back.
Yes that's the way i read it Beth, thanks ;)
OK so Robo can be as subtle as a pitbull terrier, but we love him really :P
Quote from: PlaysWithMachines on March 10, 2014, 07:50:51 PM
Yes that's the way i read it Beth, thanks ;)
OK so Robo can be as subtle as a pitbull terrier, but we love him really :P
robo, lord love him, is stream of consciousness 24/7/365 and that's good. it's better to know what someone is thinking up front then you have a chance to defend yourself if need be lol
deuem's work is phenomenal. he must realize by now, how the pegasus team feels about it. a51watcher was beaming ear to ear for a month at least, over deuem's results on his area 51 video
Deuem, I don't see what You are seeing in robo's posts. He said He believes You have a great process, and is calling for Those who say otherwise to show Their stuff. NOT that YOU are a scammer.
Please, Deuem, contemplate this a bit more.
deuem not only spent a lot of time with me, developing some of our gadgets but has done amazing work for many peeps, also off this forum.
I for one, whish his speedy return, we need more like him 8)
Quote from: PlaysWithMachines on March 10, 2014, 08:56:55 PM
deuem not only spent a lot of time with me, developing some of our gadgets but has done amazing work for many peeps, also off this forum.
I for one, whish his speedy return, we need more like him 8)
agreed. he also did a fantastic job on the peg radio show with that living moon advert. he's probably just so busy with real life work, that having people expecting him to be constantly on top of things here, is too much.
deuem, you only have to do what you have time for. even that will be better than most of us can do anyway.
So in regards to Holographic Planes and the such -
Anyone here know anything about sound recordings? Doppler? Reversed Doppler?
And most importantly, has anyone found any other work based on the subject?
Anyone got comment about plane wings 'disappearing' during 9/11...?
(will insert vids asap)
Any one here got any comment on morphing birds? lmafo!
Ya know, that planes wings melting into the second tower seemed really holographic. Just the way an orb would produce a dream factory object into the physical realm of temporal observations. Your mind understand that and makes a limited scenario to fit.
I, on the other hand, seen it the same way but in my mind that plane should of folded up and the wings broke off with the tail twisting rather then follow itself in like melted butter. The B-25 that hit the empire state building didn't go through the building and some of it fell to the street below.
Hitting the tower should have created a shock wave back through the plane and from the video, we should see the fuselage distort from the shock wave. We didn't see that.
Well i won't comment on the birds, i trust both Deuem & Sander for the analysis...it was just a freak camera angle, IMO.
Now, analysing the sound of the recordings is, (again IMO) very relevant, and you may have touched upon a new area for research 8)
As it is, most of these craft are completely silent, again My personal opinion, there is not much more to be gained from analysing this, unless it is the debunking of fakes.
That last one is still a problem, you MUST be your own worst critic, if this is to work.
Again, just my opinion...................
Just in case y'all Missed it (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=6257.msg89070#msg89070), we were here..
Interesting image. I believe to see a triangle shaped "object" in the lower right image.
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..Offworld, i take it?
Thanks Sander, we will get back to you on that, but, if i may?
QuoteHitting the tower should have created a shock wave back through the plane and from the video, we should see the fuselage distort from the shock wave. We didn't see that.
No distortion, yes, that seems an issue to me also, but i would have to see some high-speed missile impact films to be sure.
Hell this is not even my area of research, so i will just back out gracefully.....
Go ahead guys, i wasn't here ;)
Quote from: Gigas on March 10, 2014, 09:48:20 PM
Ya know, that planes wings melting into the second tower seemed really holographic. Just the way an orb would produce a dream factory object into the physical realm of temporal observations. Your mind understand that and makes a limited scenario to fit.
I, on the other hand, seen it the same way but in my mind that plane should of folded up and the wings broke off with the tail twisting rather then follow itself in like melted butter. The B-25 that hit the empire state building didn't go through the building and some of it fell to the street below.
Hitting the tower should have created a shock wave back through the plane and from the video, we should see the fuselage distort from the shock wave. We didn't see that.
Great points - on all counts!
Quote from: PlaysWithMachines on March 10, 2014, 09:54:24 PM
Well i won't comment on the birds, i trust both Deuem & Sander for the analysis...it was just a freak camera angle, IMO.
Well, Sander proceed the
wrong birds. From the piks I provided at the start, Deuem concluded one of the birds was 60% UFO,
providing it wasn't another plane in the distance. From viewing the video you can see it is slearly an orb/bird and not a plane, which brings that 60% up to 100% (UFO).
From the most recent batch I have provided there has been
no comment.
So yea, I want those one's looked at! lol
QuoteNow, analysing the sound of the recordings is, (again IMO) very relevant, and you may have touched upon a new area for research 8)
Unfortunately it is old research 1990's. Not a peep since, apart from our Cornet fellow.
QuoteAs it is, most of these craft are completely silent, again My personal opinion, there is not much more to be gained from analysing this, unless it is the debunking of fakes.
Cornet has recordings else where, I'll see if I can find them. Sadly most of his work has disappeared from the web. He himself was arrested in 2007/9? and won't be back out until 2017/9?
QuoteThat last one is still a problem, you MUST be your own worst critic, if this is to work.
Again, just my opinion........
Just in case y'all Missed it (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=6257.msg89070#msg89070), we were here..
Sorry PWM, which bit specifically? aha.
Quote
Go ahead guys, i wasn't here ;)
Eh hem, not so fast! lol
Quote from: 1967sander on March 10, 2014, 09:56:28 PM
Interesting image. I believe to see a triangle shaped "object" in the lower right image.
(http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/18168378_cor8_zps85defac21111.jpg) (http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/18168378/cor8_zps85defac21111.jpg.html)
Darn tooten it does look like a triangle!
(is that how it's said? lol )
Sander, your wanted and needed, please offer your services as and when you please.
Though I am not an audio expert I do have some audio analysis programmes so I will give it a try too. ::)
Quote from: 1967sander on March 10, 2014, 10:20:32 PM
Though I am not an audio expert I do have some audio analysis programmes so I will give it a try too. ::)
Excellent, hopefully this subject escalates and I'll keep you all busy ;)
Go for it, i'll just sit back here, and read.
(even if i get the time for that)
Of course, you guys should pursue the research in all directions, i'm proud of you :-*
THAT is what makes PRC so special, we can each follow our own course, without being scorned at, and can each post our own conclusions, without ever getting banned, LOL
Just realise that we are here to help YOU voice your views, we will NEVER try to interfere, just post our own comments, lol
-PWM-
Just watched a documentary on Planete No Limit (France)
and one part of the doc. make comparisons with some others towers & buildings
who received severes shocks in the last 70 years. ( no holographic here but relevant )
#1 On July 28th 1945 New York America A B-25 bombarder lost in the fog hit
the Empire state building, 14 victims and a million dollars damaged.
Still there.
#2 On May 4th 1988 in L.A. America A building ( They don't mention the name) of 72 levels
burned during 3 hours and destroyed 4 complete levels.
but still there.
#3 On February 23rd 1991 in Philadelphia America A 38 levels building burned during
19 hours on 8 levels.
Still there. Build in 1973
#4 On October 17th 2004 Venezuela A tower of 56 levels burned during 17 hours
destroyed 26 levels, the severe fire touched and damaged the roof.
Still there. Build in 1976
#5 On February 12th 2005 Madrid A tower of 38 levels burned almost 24 hours
the top 10 levels were destroyed the others 28 levels were intact they rebuild the top 10.
Tower is still there.
#6 On September 11th 2001 New York America The twin towers, 110 levels each, hits by .....planes
burned during respectively 56 minutes and 103 minutes on 4 levels only, a massive
construction building build in 1973 with 200 thousand tons of steel + concrete ......each.
Crash down in about 10 seconds, each.
Not there
In this documentary we can see the wings disappeared too, probably a translation of......
Note to self - http://www.jerrypippin.com/UFO_Files_seti_messages.htm#messages
That was very interesting Sinny, gold!
here is another link from that site, which went to the crop circle site.
and their work on the Arecibo message, also worth reading;
http://www.cropcircleresearch.com/articles/arecibo.html (http://www.cropcircleresearch.com/articles/arecibo.html)
Interesting indeed! I had no clue about these messages - how did THAT happen!?! LOL!
GFY, Sinny.
Shh guys, the subject deserves it own whole thread ;D ;)
QuoteShh guys, the subject deserves it own whole thread ;D ;)
Yes it does, i enjoyed the math part immensely ::)
It would be interesting to see how far he got in translating those messages, that interview was about 7 years ago?
And why the Hydrogen-pyramid connection?
Fusion power?
H2 is very difficult to fuse, that's why we use other isotopes such as
mmmpf! :-X
Orb video for Deuem and Sanders to go over. Worth a look regardless 8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4byMQIk_iGQ
Youtube link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4byMQIk_iGQ#t=197
Quote from: Flux on March 13, 2014, 03:03:50 AM
Orb video for Deuem and Sanders to go over. Worth a look regardless 8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4byMQIk_iGQ
Youtube link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4byMQIk_iGQ#t=197
I was going to post this yesterday, its the same guy who posted a about the 'chem bomb', title now changed to 'Chem traking device'.
These are the same orbs that I see in contrails like alll the time.
Just a quick stop by..
It appears that everyone I have found that seems to know about this conspiracy, doesn't want to talk about it... Summers here and my home town is of interest for activity. I'm going to rope a couple of experts in on it.
Various stills from various video's - canny be bothered to link, although I will upon request.
I'd like to encourage process, input or investigation.
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(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s635/Sinny_Dawes/10174941_730918373619849_1161026378153106352_n_zps18d2ebfb.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/Sinny_Dawes/media/10174941_730918373619849_1161026378153106352_n_zps18d2ebfb.jpg.html)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s635/Sinny_Dawes/10252017_732165186828501_1184746810513041199_n_zps671234f5.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/Sinny_Dawes/media/10252017_732165186828501_1184746810513041199_n_zps671234f5.jpg.html)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s635/Sinny_Dawes/10177385_731478586897161_5455163680723039761_n_zpsf93684da.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/Sinny_Dawes/media/10177385_731478586897161_5455163680723039761_n_zpsf93684da.jpg.html)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s635/Sinny_Dawes/10247406_730766286968391_8953677915829725323_n_zps166f9419.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/Sinny_Dawes/media/10247406_730766286968391_8953677915829725323_n_zps166f9419.jpg.html)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s635/Sinny_Dawes/10245327_730911076953912_9020250422695556465_n_zps22b66d8e.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/Sinny_Dawes/media/10245327_730911076953912_9020250422695556465_n_zps22b66d8e.jpg.html)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s635/Sinny_Dawes/10271640_730767106968309_171687171456429424_n_zpsf0bca31c.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/Sinny_Dawes/media/10271640_730767106968309_171687171456429424_n_zpsf0bca31c.jpg.html)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s635/Sinny_Dawes/10256548_730919153619771_2868911537753517811_n_zps22d04610.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/Sinny_Dawes/media/10256548_730919153619771_2868911537753517811_n_zps22d04610.jpg.html)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s635/Sinny_Dawes/10275953_732177476827272_8933352092904451186_n_zps26a30495.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/Sinny_Dawes/media/10275953_732177476827272_8933352092904451186_n_zps26a30495.jpg.html)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s635/Sinny_Dawes/10297719_730912763620410_8849435948315219407_n_zps275d11fa.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/Sinny_Dawes/media/10297719_730912763620410_8849435948315219407_n_zps275d11fa.jpg.html)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s635/Sinny_Dawes/10270287_732165650161788_1827987613835407186_n_zps6db87c93.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/Sinny_Dawes/media/10270287_732165650161788_1827987613835407186_n_zps6db87c93.jpg.html)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s635/Sinny_Dawes/10277030_732165513495135_6162481763403847115_n_zps1c2ee6d8.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/Sinny_Dawes/media/10277030_732165513495135_6162481763403847115_n_zps1c2ee6d8.jpg.html)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s635/Sinny_Dawes/10298764_730822513629435_7405980319203104843_n_zpscd1385e6.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/Sinny_Dawes/media/10298764_730822513629435_7405980319203104843_n_zpscd1385e6.jpg.html)
This is similar to my sighting described in the OP
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s635/Sinny_Dawes/10299065_730907630287590_4188661842530283587_n_zps219555a7.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/Sinny_Dawes/media/10299065_730907630287590_4188661842530283587_n_zps219555a7.jpg.html)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s635/Sinny_Dawes/10313028_732234870154866_583072219709912033_n_zps87b494ec.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/Sinny_Dawes/media/10313028_732234870154866_583072219709912033_n_zps87b494ec.jpg.html)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s635/Sinny_Dawes/10314716_732874143424272_8265067230486525087_n_zps5be8adda.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/Sinny_Dawes/media/10314716_732874143424272_8265067230486525087_n_zps5be8adda.jpg.html)
Sorry if I sound like a broken record, but I'd also encourage somebody to explain the aforementioned orb/birds.. the ones which are so far UFO.
Introducing Industrial Surrealism.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtC8CK2j0TU
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s635/Sinny_Dawes/ball_zps9ec431af.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/Sinny_Dawes/media/ball_zps9ec431af.jpg.html)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s635/Sinny_Dawes/ball2_zps80a40ceb.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/Sinny_Dawes/media/ball2_zps80a40ceb.jpg.html)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s635/Sinny_Dawes/ball3_zps05a27f13.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/Sinny_Dawes/media/ball3_zps05a27f13.jpg.html)
Triangle UFO Photographed Over Kansas April 2014
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Oc26eWoLdc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EINCvAs2CcI
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s635/Sinny_Dawes/dEUEM_zpsb5fcc6eb.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/Sinny_Dawes/media/dEUEM_zpsb5fcc6eb.jpg.html)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s635/Sinny_Dawes/10268596_735639876481032_95520874737716369_n_zps04143be5.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/Sinny_Dawes/media/10268596_735639876481032_95520874737716369_n_zps04143be5.jpg.html)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s635/Sinny_Dawes/10314598_736519073059779_5001528108771635366_n_zps7756c684.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/Sinny_Dawes/media/10314598_736519073059779_5001528108771635366_n_zps7756c684.jpg.html)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s635/Sinny_Dawes/947037_567674513277570_1932894205_n_zpsc250d500.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/Sinny_Dawes/media/947037_567674513277570_1932894205_n_zpsc250d500.jpg.html)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s635/Sinny_Dawes/984069_10201857081181087_8068570140033900243_n_zps83614a3b.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/Sinny_Dawes/media/984069_10201857081181087_8068570140033900243_n_zps83614a3b.jpg.html)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s635/Sinny_Dawes/1948178_635443079859330_257403118_n_zpscec6e06f.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/Sinny_Dawes/media/1948178_635443079859330_257403118_n_zpscec6e06f.jpg.html)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s635/Sinny_Dawes/423401_440908709321708_400633151_n_zps45377348.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/Sinny_Dawes/media/423401_440908709321708_400633151_n_zps45377348.jpg.html)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s635/Sinny_Dawes/420983_4575148694901_1512649418_n_zpsae77d417.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/Sinny_Dawes/media/420983_4575148694901_1512649418_n_zpsae77d417.jpg.html)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s635/Sinny_Dawes/336933_566406316706384_1463450755_o_zpsb9e21346.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/Sinny_Dawes/media/336933_566406316706384_1463450755_o_zpsb9e21346.jpg.html)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s635/Sinny_Dawes/225602_559314887446866_1900269174_n_zpsc99f0b12.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/Sinny_Dawes/media/225602_559314887446866_1900269174_n_zpsc99f0b12.jpg.html)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s635/Sinny_Dawes/484290_422604447809862_2128345262_n_zps34be3955.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/Sinny_Dawes/media/484290_422604447809862_2128345262_n_zps34be3955.jpg.html)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s635/Sinny_Dawes/575248_470135936390046_742699154_n_zps8e804b95.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/Sinny_Dawes/media/575248_470135936390046_742699154_n_zps8e804b95.jpg.html)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s635/Sinny_Dawes/556923_421559351247705_90160345_n_zps5d0c522b.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/Sinny_Dawes/media/556923_421559351247705_90160345_n_zps5d0c522b.jpg.html)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s635/Sinny_Dawes/208637_539847482726940_1440031297_n_zpsa6d74b9f.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/Sinny_Dawes/media/208637_539847482726940_1440031297_n_zpsa6d74b9f.jpg.html)
I think I have seen a bigger version of that last photo in which we could see that those lights in the sky were reflections of lights on the ground, but maybe I am mixing that photo with a different one. :)
But even if I am, it sure looks like reflections.
Quote from: ArMaP on May 02, 2014, 02:04:15 PM
I think I have seen a bigger version of that last photo in which we could see that those lights in the sky were reflections of lights on the ground, but maybe I am mixing that photo with a different one. :)
But even if I am, it sure looks like reflections.
Awesome I'll remove just in case, although I've seen a fair few like the one in question.
Any feedback on the rest?
(http://i1284.photobucket.com/albums/a572/paparumbo/tumblr_m6usx4gGTn1rz6yzyo1_500_zps7abe10e1.png)
Sorry.. couldn't resist ;D
From the side by side print above.
The left one
(http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa458/deuem/Left.png) (http://s1198.photobucket.com/user/deuem/media/Left.png.html)
the right one
(http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa458/deuem/Right.png) (http://s1198.photobucket.com/user/deuem/media/Right.png.html)
I think you hit some pay dirt on this one Sinny. It shows a Holographic plane while the ( ? TR3B Beast ) is flying around above it in daylight. This one leaves me scratching my Noodle! They can fly but they can not hide......Clearly looks military and not alien. The jet engine contrails might be really from its own engines. Hard to tell.
Military catch of 2014. Nice one.
Quote from: Sinny on May 02, 2014, 02:06:57 PM
Awesome I'll remove just in case, although I've seen a fair few like the one in question.
I found the thread on another forum where this was discussed on July 2012, and near the end the photographer sent the original photo to some of the people that were posting on that thread, this is how it looked (although the original didn't have all those lines, obviously).
(http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/3574/castlerocklightss12.jpg)
QuoteAny feedback on the rest?
No, to me they just look like normal photos taken in specific light conditions that make them look like that, nothing special. :)
Quote from: deuem on May 02, 2014, 07:07:35 PM
From the side by side print above.
The left one
(http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa458/deuem/Left.png) (http://s1198.photobucket.com/user/deuem/media/Left.png.html)
the right one
(http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa458/deuem/Right.png) (http://s1198.photobucket.com/user/deuem/media/Right.png.html)
I think you hit some pay dirt on this one Sinny. It shows a Holographic plane while the ( ? TR3B Beast ) is flying around above it in daylight. This one leaves me scratching my Noodle! They can fly but they can not hide......Clearly looks military and not alien. The jet engine contrails might be really from its own engines. Hard to tell.
Military catch of 2014. Nice one.
Impressive catch. Hard work pays off ;)
Thank you Deuem.
I'm aware that i'm not a photographic technician, however if i take on board my own account of witnessing the 'orb planes', i can only do what i can to investigate them.
I've managed to start networking across the web and should have more information over the next few months.
I look forward to having something substancial.
In other news, the skies are blue in Birmingham and it's' 'contrails' galore.
I know what i'm looking for this summer ;)
Quote from: Sinny on May 03, 2014, 01:26:30 PM
Thank you Deuem.
I'm aware that i'm not a photographic technician, however if i take on board my own account of witnessing the 'orb planes', i can only do what i can to investigate them.
I've managed to start networking across the web and should have more information over the next few months.
I look forward to having something substancial.
I'm not sure if youre reading me right. If that picture I processed is what I think it is I don't know how much more substancial one can get. I sugest that Sanders take a peek at the jet with the 3 Orbs to see if he can pull out the TR3B above it. I want a second opinion on it. For I see no tampering in the original.
The print shows:
Cloaking
Holographic imaging
TR3B
Black tech being used in daylight (caught)
Out of all the prints you posted (and I ran them all) this is the one!
We need Paulie (WTF) and Sanders to look that one print over very well. Go after them please!
Deuem
Oh i understood you D'.
I was just trailing off.. What i want is an overall explanation to what i have witnessed.
Are the Orb planes all .Mil?
Why have i saw at least one (maybe ive been seeing them all along?)
What is their agenda?
What relation do they have to the Trails?
And the many implications that will follow suit, etc.
Thanks for stepping in.
Quote from: Sinny on May 03, 2014, 02:54:29 PM
Oh i understood you D'.
I was just trailing off.. What i want is an overall explanation to what i have witnessed.
Are the Orb planes all .Mil?
Why have i saw at least one (maybe ive been seeing them all along?)
What is their agenda?
What relation do they have to the Trails?
And the many implications that will follow suit, etc.
Thanks for stepping in.
Why have I seen at least one (maybe ive been seeing them all along?)
Ok Sinny, I can only speak for myself and how I read the prints. Like reading Tea leaves. I would say that most of the prints you posted are reflections off of shinny parts of the plane, with very long distances and deep crops on shaky photos that are low res.
Are the Orb planes all .Mil?
Saying that the proven ones are Mil would be a guess. If I had to guess, I would say yes. I see no reason for Aliens to do this. Their equipment is so good, they would not need to, just ramp up the frequencies and they are gone.
What is their agenda?
The Mil agenda would be to try and hide in plain sight and keep it a secrete. Not doing very well if you caught them. Back to the drawing board. You just cost them another 3 years and 50 billion dollars.
What relation do they have to the Trails?
My guess on the trail is just a trial fake out or this plane actually leaves trails in the right temp so they turn on the plane and try and hide. For 99.99% of the people that look up it would work just fine. Who would question it. It is just another plane and some twinkles. These people are not Peggy people. And even if we went on the BBC with this, they would just say we are crack pots.
the many implications that will follow suit, etc.
"implications" I'm sure you can add them up. Money, lies, power are a few.
If this plane and the tech gets out then all of the tech with it would be in question. Even the polution it causes if any.
In my view, even if you had done 10,000 photos and came up with this one print only, You get a super bowl ring. I still want to see what the other think of it, then we party like 1969.
Not a triangle but three objects in formation.
(http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/18711463_5683288.jpg) (http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/18711463/5683288.jpg.html)
Hmm, nice pic.
The TR3 has a wingspan of almost 170 feet, much longer than the fuselage...
Therefore the forward light, if it has anything to do with the aircraft, is way too far ahead.
Interesting.....
QuoteWhat is their agenda?
The Mil agenda would be to try and hide in plain sight and keep it a secrete. Not doing very well if you caught them. Back to the drawing board. You just cost them another 3 years and 50 billion dollars.
Well, we could have saved them another few million when they 'lost' a couple of X-37's LOL. At the time, i did ask DARPA for a job ::)
Hell, it's just taxpayer's money, billions to play with, why ask some dumbo's from a
fringe conspiracy site for help? What do they know?
LMAO
Quote from: 1967sander on May 05, 2014, 10:31:53 PM
Not a triangle but three objects in formation.
(http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/18711463_5683288.jpg) (http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/18711463/5683288.jpg.html)
that is more the shape and configuration of the one i witnessed in 1978... and it was a good 300' long...
seeker
Quote from: 1967sander on May 05, 2014, 10:31:53 PM
Not a triangle but three objects in formation.
(http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/18711463_5683288.jpg) (http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/18711463/5683288.jpg.html)
Sanders,thanks for running this one. Usually when I do these I also get 3 objects, but they have a clear background and I can see right through the center and get the sky pattern running through the photo. The 3 fields never hide the resuls within the center. This time they did and I can not penatrate the center to see through it and find the sky there. In your photo there is also a fine triange which I never see in a common 3 sphere set up. Can you get in tight on this one. For if it is a TR3B then I would say that it like what Seeker said, HUGE! like some 300 feet or so, maybe larger. Reports of one in the 600 foot range.
If they were projecting on the bottom what ever was on top then it should slip into the picture as hidden but I am getting a field responce similar to a hologram and a mess it is. No matter how I try it I can not get the sky.
Reports have said that this craft has 3 corner engines like the photo and maybe one center one of a different nature.
D
Just for the record, I think those three white spheres are computer generated and were added to the original image. :)
Tha'ts why I call it objects. It is not clear whether this is CGI or for real. What is interesting though is that the "triangle" in between the lights is not generated. Looking at the image using histogram Eq. there is no obvious manipulation. I would love to have the original image so I can perform error level analysis.
Sinny, any way of getting the original to Sanders?
Sanders where you said objects, I see engines running, not Orbs as I would normaly see. I still need some confermation one way or another on the triangle body that is hiding in there. Even if it is many images on top of each other then which ones did they start with or did Sinny take this picture. That would be nice to hear. Sinny back to you.
Hi Guys, I'll attempt to back track and find the source. Fingers crossed.
ETA:
Sorry guys - Needle in a hay stack, having to search through a few hundred links across three devices.
I will re-post the picture to the sites that I used for source and appeal for information.
Quote from: 1967sander on May 05, 2014, 10:31:53 PM
Not a triangle but three objects in formation.
(http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/18711463_5683288.jpg) (http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/18711463/5683288.jpg.html)
Some really cool gradients going on in that.
From a non-expert :D
Send in the ArMap :)
Oh noooo, not Mr Spock :o
:D
well if you want another layman's opinion, the contrail is consistent with the smaller triangle (TR3b?) and not with the lights.
Holograms, being generated by several lasers focused on one spot, scatter coherent light in all directions, so that could be where the interference is coming from. I am not sure how far they have perfected Blue Beam, but they must be getting pretty confident, especially if they know it will give problems with analysing the pictures. Like those number plates that reflect i.R. to avoid speeding tickets......apparently they work but are of course highly illegal ;D
ETA: Sinny, try pointing one of THESE at them next time you see one, i guarantee they will notice :D
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/inventors_group/images/ODD/Las1.JPG)
Looking at the contrails, the lower one looks good while the upper one looks as if the engine is out of tune. If this is the case and it is sputtering then the amount of power it produces might be lowered and not enough of it is going to the holo system causing it to break up and hence the photo we see.
Something else to look at.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iuCnyoQQlY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iuCnyoQQlY#t=173
Nice one Flux.
Quote from: deuem on May 03, 2014, 02:09:11 PM
I'm not sure if youre reading me right. If that picture I processed is what I think it is I don't know how much more substancial one can get. I sugest that Sanders take a peek at the jet with the 3 Orbs to see if he can pull out the TR3B above it. I want a second opinion on it. For I see no tampering in the original.
The print shows:
Cloaking
Holographic imaging
TR3B
Black tech being used in daylight (caught)
Out of all the prints you posted (and I ran them all) this is the one!
We need Paulie (WTF) and Sanders to look that one print over very well. Go after them please!
Deuem
Greetings:
Great catch, Sinny!
And
GOLD!Please share with us exactly what is the origin of the 'TRB3' double photo?
Deuem, as usual, great stuff! We agree with your assessment wholeheartedly. ;)
This is one for the books, to be sure. 8)
Another trophy for the
DEUEM PROCESS wall!. :P
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Bluebird/lg50aa500a.gif)
tfw
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Cheers Thor, I need to spend a few hours scrollin through my links to try and pin the source.. I will do as soon as I can dedicate the time.
Quote from: Sinny on May 08, 2014, 07:45:07 PM
Cheers Thor, I need to spend a few hours scrollin through my links to try and pin the source.. I will do as soon as I can dedicate the time.
I hope you find it, I couldn't. :(
Quote from: ArMaP on May 08, 2014, 09:43:14 PM
I hope you find it, I couldn't. :(
Me too, I should have the time available by mid-next week, lesson learned in not directly linking to begin with..
In other news, I was in a beer garden yesterday when I started watching a black plane making a 'contrail' (Said like that because they were egineering), then the plane disappeared before my eyes.. no reason for it to have disappeared as the sky was clear blue apart from all their spraying.
A guy next to me asked me what I was watching I pointed and said "plane", and that was the moment at which it diappeared - he said I was 'trippin' aha. ;D
They're spraying so obviously in Birmingham my 'anti-conspiracy' co-worker said she couldn't deny this one!
She noted 'weird' planes too.
What reason would they have for dissipating regular fluffy clouds?
Or do you think it's an inadvertent side effect?
Trails went straight through the fluff and divided them..
There also spraying in two's, mixing something up there....
Quote from: Sinny on May 02, 2014, 01:58:54 PM
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I think the source is documented somewhere ( ::) ) here..
https://www.facebook.com/azad.mamedov.71/photos_albums
Currently browsing through..
Quote from: Sinny on May 15, 2014, 09:55:50 PM
They're spraying so obviously in Birmingham my 'anti-conspiracy' co-worker said she couldn't deny this one!
She noted 'weird' planes too.
Back in 1991, we tracked aircraft that did not use standard transponder codes. Initially we were told that these were Lockheed TR-1 spyplanes from Bentwaters and Lakenheath (UK) but later British colleagues said that these contacts we saw had means that could "improve radar reflection". At that time we had no idea what he was talking about. Now I believe that he meant aircraft that spray.
QuoteThe Albany International Airport UFO video
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This particular article is based on events that occurred between 10-20-02 and 10-29-02. Some of the information comes from "unspecified sources." These sources are noted only for their efforts and contributions. Their efforts are appreciated, and all of their information was later confirmed. Their anonymity is always sacred with the UFO Casebook. The events discussed below are somewhat atypical by today's standards, but the answers will become clear as we go along. Members of the UFO Casebook Forum who contributed to this report are appreciated. They know who they are. As always, a big thanks to the UFO Reporting Center's Peter Davenport for their tireless and ardent search for the truth. (B J Booth)
Albany, NY Fox TV UFO Case
Peter Davenport, Director, National UFO Reporting Center
Expert Certifies Object Genuine... Preliminary NUFORC statement regarding the footage captured by FOX 23 television in Albany, NY, on Sunday, October 20, 2002.
At 07:30 hrs. (Pacific) on Monday morning, October 21, 2002, the National UFO Reporting Center received a telephone call from a television news reporter, Mr. Dan Bazile, with FOX 23 news (a Clear Channel Communication-owned station), who apprised us that one of their photographers had inadvertently captured brief footage of a very bizarre object streaking across the sky near Albany, NY.
He described that one of their photographers had been out on Sunday afternoon, October 20th, photographing aircraft at a nearby airport, and that the peculiar object had been detected in the news studio when the footage was being examined at slow speed.
From that first telephone conversation, NUFORC was not left with a clear understanding of the nature of the object and its appearance, but Mr. Bazile offered to forward to NUFORC still images from the tape. NUFORC offered to help identify the object, if possible, and to put the station in touch with photo analysts, who might be able to assist in further analysis.
In a second conversation with Mr. Bazile on Tuesday morning, October 22, he apprised NUFORC that the original video tape of the object had been forcibly "confiscated" from the "young photographer" by "four FBI agents," from the Albany, NY, FBI offices, a statement which now is in question. {or had been changed, B J} p> Mr. Bazile went on to describe how the agents had invited the photographer outside the station, and that the agents had then "taken" the "original" tape from the photographer, who had it on his person at the time of the meeting with the FBI personnel.
When NUFORC suggested that such an act, in the absence of a court warrant, might be illegal, Mr. Bazile averred that he agreed with that assessment.
However, he stated that the station still had in its possession several copies of the original tape.
{Shortly after these events, I received my first report of this event. I was told that the video was briefly on the Fox 23 News station, but had been removed. This certainly got my attention.
The video had made it's way to www.rense.com, and I tried to download it, which I did, but the file would not play. I subsequently received the video file from one of my sources, and immediately uploaded it to my domain in two formats, quicktime and real.
When NUFORC asked Mr. Bazile whether FOX 23 was planning to do a news report on the incident with the FBI, he responded that the station was "considering" that possibility, but such a decision was out of his hands.
He then stated that in order to answer that question, he would like first to speak with his "supervisor" about the matter, and that he would call back "in a few minutes."
After approximately 45 minutes had elapsed, NUFORC telephoned FOX 23 and requested to be put in touch with Mr. Bazile. After a short period of time, he came on the line, but after only a very short conversation he said he would like to put his supervisor, Mr. Dave Brown, Station News Director for FOX 23, on the line.
During our 7-minute conversation with Mr. Brown, he stated that a copy of the tape had been provided to the personnel from the FBI by his station voluntarily, because his station "willingly co-operated with members of law enforcement." He added that he personally had provided the video to the FBI, that it had not been "taken" by them, as had been suggested by Mr. Bazile. Mr. Brown stated that he had arrived at work on Sunday evening "at about 8 or 9 o'clock," and that FBI personnel had been photographed in the station while they watched the tape, and that that footage had been aired by the station on Sunday night as a news report. Mr. Brown implied that this fact illustrated that there had been no "mystery" surrounding the FBI's interest in the footage, and that, in his opinion, no impropriety surrounded the transfer of the tape to the FBI personnel.
{I received the information on this video from one of my sources late on the 21st of October. Since then, I have done everything I could to find the video. This was the first post made on the event at the Fox 23 News.}
ALBANY -- FOX TV News reported on October 21, 2002, that a spear shaped object was caught on film passing above Albany International Airport during daylight hours as a commercial aircraft landed at the airport. The spear shaped object was moving at high speed and could be mistaken for a missile, but none was known to have crashed. The FBI is attempting to determine the cause of the video sighting.
When I saw the acronym FBI, I knew the information would be squashed. I ran a site search for more information and got this message:
Overwhelming demand has crashed our video servers, so in the meantime here are stills from that video.
If you sign up for FOX23 eNews Breaking News, an e-mail will be sent out as soon as video has been restored to our website. I followed their suggestion, and signed up on 10-22, so far nothing as of 10-26, 2:20 PM CDT.I also sent a request via email to the station news manager, so far no reply.
Peter Davenport... cont'd
Mr. Brown also added that he did not know whether the original tape had been provided to the FBI, or whether they had received a copy. However, he said that with digital tape, it really did not matter, since very little fidelity was lost in a copied tape.
When asked how many representatives from the FBI had been present at the station on Sunday night, he said that he did not know, but there were at least two representatives from that office present.
He said there might have been more, but he could not be certain, since "there were so many people present in the station that night."
Mr. Brown closed the conversation with the statement that FOX 23 would not be devoting any more news coverage to the footage, suggesting that the story was now old news, and that, in his opinion, it did not warrant any further attention by his station.
Following our conversation with Mr. Brown, NUFORC contacted the FBI offices in Albany [(518) 465-7551]. We spoke with Lisa Massaroni, a public affairs spokeswoman, who apprised us that to the best of her knowledge, the FBI office did have a copy of the tape, that their personnel were planning to analyze it, but that she did not know the status of the investigation.
She directed us to her supervisor for any further questions, and added that he would be out of his office until October 24th.
NUFORC also was contacted by a gentleman from Birmingham, AL, Mr. Brian Huff, a forensic video analyst, who had captured the video from the FOX 23 website, and who has analyzed the tape. We provide elements of his video analysis with this statement.
Mr. Huff has stated to NUFORC that, based on his analysis of the footage, the object is genuine, and that it is not a superimposed image. He also stated that the object is on the other side of the clouds, which provides some perspective as to the size of the object, and its velocity, which Mr. Huff concludes is considerable.
We extend our gratitude to Mr. Huff for sharing his analysis with NUFORC and Jeff Rense.
Prepared by Peter B. Davenport, Director, National UFO Reporting Center on October 22, 2002.
Peter B. Davenport, Director
National UFO Reporting Center
P. O. Box 45623 University Station
Seattle, WA 98145
director@ufocenter.com www.UFOCENTER.com
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http://www.ufocasebook.com/albany.html
Whistle Blower states he was contracted to install spraying devices in military planes. Explains that two planes go up, one to spray one to measure, spraying includes toxic chemicals and nano particles - (which have also been found in connection to Morgellons Disease).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6udSa7yPbM
Will post a further selection for process when our guys are free and willing..
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Got distracted from the previous post - some very strange things being investigated on youtube. I will document here:
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Orbs, they are a particle beam weapon that is also a psyop frequency device. The satellites can project holographic pictures, sounds, and sensations to people through this technology. For instance some orbs have the ability to cloak themselves as birds etc .exotic weapons are no joke ,your vids are amazing , the orbs are a major contributing factor in altering our skies into a weaponized plasmic hell? ,orbs have been witnessed swirling around chemtrail tankers,chemcloud/trails,fake planes etc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rh85rMEkVyU
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Let me throw something out here - We KNOW that barium/aluminum/strontium are being sprayed in the chemtrails..various water/soil/and air tests have proven that. It just so happens that these three ingredients can form the substruct fora holographic "matrix" (I hate using that word) when energized by a satelitte or even HAARP. WHat I am trying to say is EVERYTHING AROUND US AND ABOVE US COULD BE FAKE.. They certainly could fake an alien invasion if they wanted to..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rh85rMEkVyU
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I have a friend who got photos of fake insects! It is amazing. Mind blowing.. the fake birds here remind me of the fake birds that another YT person got on video...goscott4. I have seen fake birds. Thanks for all your video work. Its interesting to say the least!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rh85rMEkVyU
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Brilliant capture!! I have seen them too. You are absolutely right :) Unfortunately
A New Species of Bird Discovered 1-15-2014http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5laLIo1dJD8
Quote from Jennyburger07QuoteThose of us who have seen this phenomenon for a while, must at some point in time ask the ultimate question to self...if these birds are fake...how much of the rest of our bird population is fake?
For the doubters - Holographic Birds do exist!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=It7ynBF-bXI
Drone Birds - (at the end)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLzpuM_kCz4
I never thought I'd take a conspiracy this far.. Not in my entire life... But Here I am... Gold if this (below) can be debunked:
http://www.almdares.net/vz/youtube_browser.php?do=show&vidid=T4UYWok2WBA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPbfrK-LQHQ
Quoteella5024 says:
Start looking at around :38,? pause and play, really fast. One of them goes into the trail. They are all over the place....none of the black dots or things that look like birds are really birds in this video. They are all black plasma orbs. They are what makes the projection of the aircraft onto the orb.
http://solresearch.com/2012/05/30/chemtrails-chemweb-fibers/
Ever see sky captain and the flying attack birds.
Orbs at it again in this vid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EV7vpehA2g
Quote from: Gigas on June 23, 2014, 08:17:52 PM
Ever see sky captain and the flying attack birds.
Orbs at it again in this vid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EV7vpehA2g
Plane looks unnatural to me Gigas, however according to many of our experts we are just witnessing video anomalys...
I'm not convinced, a plane should look like a plane, and if it looks like orbs on fire, that's cause for concern.
Lots of Video's coming from Ireland these days..
Chemtrail watch Birmingham UK
Posting this as I caught a black splodge.. I've caught UFO's on accident before, so it can't hurt dicumenting my images.
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More weirdness -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkcBbtLhQ4I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytDlp3beADk
Quote from: Sinny on June 24, 2014, 01:44:01 PM
Chemtrail watch Birmingham UK
Posting this as I caught a black splodge.. I've caught UFO's on accident before, so it can't hurt dicumenting my images.
It looks like a bird with big wings, like a seagull, at a moment where the wings were below the body, but it's too small to be sure of any thing. :)
Quote from: ArMaP on June 24, 2014, 01:56:50 PM
It looks like a bird with big wings, like a seagull, at a moment where the wings were below the body, but it's too small to be sure of any thing. :)
I know ArMap, but the 'bird' was not in view of mine own eye's.. Much like my previous UFO's weren't :)
Quote from: Sinny on June 24, 2014, 03:09:44 PM
I know ArMap, but the 'bird' was not in view of mine own eye's.. Much like my previous UFO's weren't :)
Most, if not all, of the times that happens, it's because we are seeing something we are expecting to see, like a bird, so although our eyes see them, our brains do not "register" them, so we find it strange when we see them on the photo.
All the times that has happened to me I could identify the unexpected objects as birds. :)
Are they really birds though? ???
Lmafo.
Quote from: Sinny on June 24, 2014, 05:03:19 PM
Are they really birds though? ???
Lmafo.
Maybe they are just holographic projections of birds, or maybe I'm just a computer generated post. :P
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I have no idea about what I saw... but here goes.
I have to be at work at 6 AM when I walk out my front door I am looking to the north, glancing up I noticed some lights that looked wrong. (I have been in the USAF for over 17 years half of that spent on night shift on the flight line so I know what planes look like at night.)
it was traveling east to west, I would guess it to be under 10k feet and it was flying/moving slow I would guess no more than a couple miles north of me.. it was to big to be a Cessna type of plane, it had 3 red lights at first I thought it was for the wings but the placement didn't match the other lights, the wings seemed to be to far forward. I could also clearly see what appeared to be windows... or at least lights where you would expect them to be on a large plane.
I watched it till it passed behind some trees... to sum up... I saw red blinking lights on what should of been the right and left wing tip and a single blinking red light on top of the plane (for lack of a better word) and a string of white lights going down what I took to be the fuselage, and I saw no lights that should have been there for the rear of the plane.
morning was clear and cloudless... no clue what I saw other than the lights weren't right for any airplane I have seen in flight as a crew chief or a Flight Engineer.
Birmingham Chemtrail watch - Taken at the same spot at different angle's.. Well strange.
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After processing some of the images and compiled data. It appears these "hides" may be done to protect the general population from seeing things that don't potentially fit into their normal perspective of reality. So 1 can understand why if that be the case they are hidden or cloaked/covered.
The chem/con-trail sprays still even though data being shared as of now that they are benign to anything important, 1 feels there is some significance. Either to block visual observations or incoming harmful radiations or other cosmic atmospheric exposures. 1 is not sure. I do recall one day observing the sky and seen a plane emitting something over an existing emitted trail and the atmosphere seemed to give off a rainbows tint. Whatever is going on if there are visual blocks from issues existent with the atmosphere or space the process of producing visual outlooks to "hide" the truth can be considered MATRIX like affects being demonstrated on the species of man as of current...
Interesting read and the images are also interesting.
Thanks for the input OPHI13,
I've been pulled away from the internet as of late, however I have been sky-watching in absense of alternative data.
One thing I have noticed, which has been highlighted by the YouTube Channel 'Industrial Surrealism'... Is the very strange and odd behavior of some cloud formations.
If you YouTube his Channel, I'm sure you"l be left scratching yoour head for a wee while, trying to see what this guy is seeing...
However, a few months down the line, for my self at least.. I think I'm starting to notice the odditites in our skies.
Quote from: OPHI13 on July 07, 2014, 09:03:45 PM
After processing some of the images and compiled data. [snip]
Hello, would care to elaborate a little on this with maybe some pictures, text or math. I know I would be interested.
Just came across this link - looks like it might be full of goodies, I think Matrix may be interested in some of the presented theories.
http://www.holographic-disclosure.com/
Sorry there's only so much posting I can do from Crapberry.
Following on from the work of Holographic Disclosure (which I haven't posted in detail), a topical discussion on the 'manipulations of the holographic universe'.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1062154847
An arguement for: 'It's not aliens! It's MKULTRA!'
http://jeffpolachek.com/about-dr-karla-turner
(The whole site).
To Expand on the post above:
Jeff Polachek Covers:
Mind Control 101 - Classified Synthetic Telepathy Technology Has Been Covertly Implanted in Brains of Countless Civilians
Mind Control 102 - The Coercive Induction of Artificial Thoughts and Dreams into the Human Mind
Mind Control 103 - Human Race Being Non-Consensually Brain Linked (Your ESP is Artificial)
Mind Control 105 - Neurotechnology and Neuroprosthetics
Mind Control 201 - Brain Implant Bloopers
Mind Control 202 - MKULTRA Subjects Gone Wild!
Mind Control 301 - Common Disinformation Themes
Mind Control 401 - The "11:11 Phenomenon" Explained in Terms of MKULTRA Neurotechnology
Mind Control 402 - Brain Implants vs. Directed-Energy Weapons
Dr Karla Turner and the Bartholic Killings.
Clippings on Psychological Warfare and Psychiatric Abuse
Dangerous New Psychiatric Bible (DSM-5) Finalized for 2013
End-Run Around Due Process of Law: DSM-5 Defines Millions as "Mentally Ill"
On the Need for New Criteria of Diagnosis of Psychosis in the Light of Mind Invasive Technology
Political Abuse of Psychiatry - An Historical Overview
Psychiatric Advance Medical Directives
Psychiatry is a Criminal Fraud - Documentaries - Watch Free Online
Psychiatry: Science or Fraud? (Video)
Russia Commits Anti-Putin Activist to Psychiatric Hospital
Ryan Explains Psychiatric Abuse
Scientific Dictatorship and Pharmaceutical Pacification of Populations - 1961 Talk by Aldoux Huxley
State Use of Psychiatric Diagnoses to Bypass Due Process Protections, Chemically Attack Political Dissidents, and Disarm Civilian Populations
The Militarization of Neurobiology
University of Manchester School of Psychological Sciences: Schizophrenia May Not Exist
http://www.jeffpolachek.com/weaponized-psychiatry
Was in a garden in South Birmingham 2 days with a bunch of cousins. My two younger cousins started poking fun at my 'so-called' saucer story... At which point me an an older cousin started observing 'chem measuring planes', as I believe that's their function... Surprise surprise, withhin 15 minutes we all obsered a large illuminous orange UFO decending in the distance.
Reminder to skywatch, especially in the daytime and summer.
No luck getting it on the camera phone Sinny?
Nahh, I didn't bother... Resolution would just make it a blur at best, any of my camera's are rarely as good as mine own eye's.
If anybody wants to invest £500 - I'll gladly start gathering evidence! lol
Holograms at Rendlesham? http://eventsfinal.blogspot.co.uk/2010/12/holograms-at-rendlesham.html
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One of those who tried to get to the bottom of the Rendlesham mystery was Ray Boeche, an Anglican priest and former Mutual UFO Network (MUFON) state-director. Boeche spent a great deal of time digging into the puzzle, in the 1980s, and even approached the office of the Honorable James J. Exon, United States Senate, in an effort to uncover the cloak of secrecy surrounding the affair.
It was largely and unfortunately to no avail, however, and Rendlesham continues to remain the enigma today that it was 30 years ago this very week. Although not to everyone, it seems. And specifically not to two whistle-blower sources from the Department of Defense that Boeche had the opportunity to speak with in late 1991, and who brought up with Boeche the allegedly real nature of the Rendlesham affair.
When I interviewed Boeche about this in 2007, he told me with respect to his DoD informants: "I found it interesting that they would mention Rendlesham at the meeting. They said there was a sense that this was maybe, in some sense, staged. Or that some of the senior people there were more concerned with the reaction of the men – how they responded to the situation, rather than what was actually going on. That this was some sort of psychotronic device, a hologram, to see what sort of havoc they can wreak with people. But even if it was a type of hologram, they said it could interact with the environment. The tree marks and the pod marks at the landing site were indications of that. But how can you have a projected thing like a hologram that also has material, physical capabilities? They wouldn't elaborate on this."
Even though Boeche considers, today, that the data related to him may have contained more than a liberal degree of disinformation, it's a fascinating aspect of a case that – like Roswell – just refuses to go away; as is clearly evidenced by the fact that we're still discussing the case in the week of its 30th anniversary!
And for those who may be interested in learning more about this intriguing "hologram" aspect of the Rendlesham event, you can do so within the pages of my Final Events book.
http://eventsfinal.blogspot.co.uk/2010/12/holograms-at-rendlesham.html
I'm not sure how you make a hologram physical either... But the creators of Star Trek may know.. ::) ... Any theories guys?
A hologram is made where 2 lasers meet in mid-air. they have to be the same frequency & also polarised, and to make it look real the scan speed has to be quite high, most humans can't observe more than 70 scans/second (which is why PC monitors use that speed, no visible flicker) and of course they have to be incredibly accurate. That being said, such speed & accuracy is more than possible.
This is one of my points about blue beam, if it can be done, it probably has been done.....and yes i agree about the psychiatry abuse & the mind control tech. Strange, they never tried it on me :P They did try a direct psi-attack, that was NOT funny but we survived that as well. Go team Peggy 8)
i thought it was sixty hertz.havent we had this debate before?
on what sinny speaks of on rendlsham.maybe its just psyop that its a mirage.soldiers spoke of touching it.so i would suspect that the craft had invisibility properties and the shills just say it was hologram to direct researchers down a false trail.
if i was gonna use blue beam.it would be to make enemies on the ground think a battalion of tanks was headed toward them.or an unstoppable wave of soldiers.to the enemy it would look impossible to defend against.then add in the invisibilty suits of the real soldiers and now they are protected while the fake tanks and fake soldiers are shot at.the enemy operates in total fear and distraction,burning through their reserves of ammo,while our soldiers in invisibility clokes are sniping fish in a barrel.
Good points Robo, but IMO it seems they prefer to project images of Jesus, angels, even Mohamed & Mary, not to mention the evil aliens waiting to attack us.
::)
I really hate this hollywood BS, if they wanted Earth, they could of took it 6000 years ago, in fact i think they did :P
I think they (the hu-mon NWO architects) would prefer a religious theme, because deep down most of us are religious. sad but true.
Thankfully i am saved from that particular form of insanity, the only miracle i know of, is why do i still live?
LOL
QuoteI'm not sure how you make a hologram physical either... But the creators of Star Trek may know.. ::) ... Any theories guys?
Programmable matter maybe. Observe:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqHfHIi2sRQ
well you got the stargate critters and the liquid metal terminator.
Somebody must have forgot to send the memo out stating the Holodeck is here.
Imagine being able to walk around the movie at the cinema? lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CqUYBopWLs
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I think they (the hu-mon NWO architects) would prefer a religious theme, because deep down most of us are religious. sad but true.
No..... Deep down We are spiritual, and seek confirmation of that in Others. The psychopaths have used that, adding religion as a control mechanism.
Nice find Sinny!
They must have used 100's of lasers in sync to have done that, but just think how far the secret stuff is.
I guess they are working on sound projection as well.
just think what would happen if Mohammed appeared in Mecca & told all the muslims to destroy the west.....or if J.C. appeared in Rome & told us to attack them.....
Most would believe that what they are seeing is real :o 8)
That's a non-question PWM..
I know you know they've already nailed that shizzle! Aha.
As a side note, I don't think I've heard your opinion on ET, want to elaborate?
OK i have a few more minutes ;D
First of all, sorry Amy for not seeing this, even though i posted after it;
QuoteQuote from: PlaysWithMachines on 30-07-2014, 14:24:58
I think they (the hu-mon NWO architects) would prefer a religious theme, because deep down most of us are religious. sad but true.
QuoteNo..... Deep down We are spiritual, and seek confirmation of that in Others. The psychopaths have used that, adding religion as a control mechanism
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OK yes i agree, i meant we are most of us, spiritual, but most of that gets mixed up with religion, they are of course 2 separate things, you are one of the most spiritual peeps i know (next to Beth) without being actually religious.
I am too, but i tend towards a 50:50 mix of the Force, and Buhddism :o 8)
But for many peeps, it wil be the real deal, it could easily start WW3 and i think that is the endgame 'they' have in mind.
The habit of 'weaponising' all new tech is something that disgusts me deeply...
QuoteI know you know they've already nailed that shizzle! Aha.
YEP!
QuoteAs a side note, I don't think I've heard your opinion on ET, want to elaborate?
Sure, i have never met, or had any contact with ET as far as i know, i have, in the past, experienced certain mental nudges, which i discussed with an ex-member in great detail. However, logically, and given the number of reports, they surely exist. I think many different races, some 'good' and some 'evil' depending on what your context is, i see Humans as inherently evil, and at this time not suitable to become a 'Type 1' civilisation' but that's more pertinent to the AI thread.
I just hope we are sensible, & make contact with the Vulcans before we meet the Borg :P
ETA; I would LOVE to meet a real life ET, but i hear they avoid smart humans, LMAO >:( ;D :o 8) ::) :P
Yea, those last few Smileys represent my feelings too PWM.
Although I'm yet to return to the Bruce Cornet and Bigelow material which seemed to have some scientific basis..
Need expert help on that though...
As much as I've traced most ET 'folklaw' to Human Intelligence services.. There does remain the enigmas..
Side note: dodgy black plane spotted directly over head in Brum town today, witnessed by me and an inlaw. Looked heavy, not commercial.. Complete black, no details.. One strange wing which 'hooked' upwards.. For a minute, then straightened out, loud 'plane noises', not stealth.... Supposedly.
By the way I have suspicions on the whole 'type 1,2,3' civilisations being propogated in the mainstream media.. Sounds awfully 'Star Trekky', and those 'Star Trekky' guys can be linked directly to . MIL.
Sounds like another cool are to explore in the future.
Quote from: PlaysWithMachines on August 06, 2014, 09:18:21 PM
i see Humans as inherently evil, and at this time not suitable to become a 'Type 1' civilisation'
And I contend the opposite. Humans are loving giving Beings as a rule, caught in the psychopath's nightmare, where evil is glorified, money is defined as "success," unethical behavior is promoted with survival on the line for the money, many evil choices are made by these few, and then pointed to as "proof" Humans are bad. But if We were as bad as all that, We would not have a functional society at all.
Quote from: Amaterasu on August 07, 2014, 01:16:40 AM
And I contend the opposite. Humans are loving giving Beings as a rule, caught in the psychopath's nightmare, where evil is glorified, money is defined as "success," unethical behavior is promoted with survival on the line for the money, many evil choices are made by these few, and then pointed to as "proof" Humans are bad. But if We were as bad as all that, We would not have a functional society at all.
Seconded.
To state that all humans are evil PWM, means that you first consider yourself to be Evil, and you are judging us all by your own standards.
:P
Quote from: Sinny on August 07, 2014, 01:42:56 AM
Seconded.
To state that all humans are evil PWM, means that you first consider yourself to be Evil, and you are judging us all by your own standards.
:P
Thirded
Sinny, there is an effort on Peggy to exercise mind control over this population and take over from within. All of us lowly Humans that are nothing more than trash to be recycled is nothing more than good old brainwashing. ( not you PWM ) Please maintain your own thoughts and never give in to it. We are all living in a very real world that is facing so many con artists it is hard to figure who is who anymore. Believe me, If you cut yourself you bleed real blood. This is
NOT a video game.
They tell you this to gain control over your mind. To get you from the inside. No bullets, no bombs, Pure brainwashing. Be careful. If you are convinced that you are not here then they come in and tell you what to do and you follow like a horse and carrot. It is a religion to watch out for. Worse than the rest of them because it goes right after your soul.
i agree with deuem.
I understand - I've been questioning some things myself lately...
OK i will rephrase that;
"Humans are inherently stoopid and will always find new ways of getting themselves into trouble"
How's that?
Without a clearly defined set of humanitarian goals, without a sense of self-awareness & democratic leadership, we are going nowhere......
Gold for Deuem 8)
I prefer a solutocratic approach over a democratic one. [smile]
Quote from: Amaterasu on August 11, 2014, 11:54:37 PM
I prefer a solutocratic approach over a democratic one. [smile]
This morningi instigated an act of true democracy, and it felt good :)
However, I've recently been learning of its flaws.
If common sense was applied to it - it would maybe have a chance.
Quote from: Sinny on August 12, 2014, 12:37:01 AM
This morningi instigated an act of true democracy, and it felt good :)
However, I've recently been learning of its flaws.
If common sense was applied to it - it would maybe have a chance.
Common sense would nearly always prevail...if money/profit/power was removed from the equation. [grin] Even a solutocracy, with it's three Laws of Ethics only, solving actual problems rather than deciding what OTHERS must comply with, is best run without that lure to poor behavior choices.
Quite disappointed that no-body has signed up to chime in this thread - although to appears to be popular for clicks...
Hmm dumm.
I know I'm on to something - but there's a wall of silence...
Quote from: PlaysWithMachines on August 11, 2014, 10:18:44 AM
OK i will rephrase that;
"Humans are inherently stoopid and will always find new ways of getting themselves into trouble"
How's that?
Without a clearly defined set of humanitarian goals, without a sense of self-awareness & democratic leadership, we are going nowhere......
Gold for Deuem 8)
PWM, I believe you were closer to right to begin with, regarding the "evil". But then, I "think that" because evil is a very significant part of what I believe is in the world visa-vie the Garden of Eden, and until today. As someone else mentioned - the religious and spiritual - simply a part of what I firmly believe. Obviously some others here see this differently, but such does answer for me many of the continuing "whys" about many different things we see happening around us, and around the world.
Many of you are well grounded in what you think on this, and I am not trying to change that - just commenting to agree with PWM's comments regarding spiritual evil in the world. :)
Deuem! >:(
Voided half my thread >:(
:-[
Quote from: Sinny on September 10, 2014, 12:52:55 PM
Deuem! >:(
Voided half my thread >:(
:-[
I can try my PoorMan'sVersion, just tell me what images do you want processed. :)
I'll be returning to this thread this evening or tomorrow evening, and I can get back to you on that.. Thanks ArMap
Quote from: Sinny on August 23, 2014, 12:56:00 PM
Quite disappointed that no-body has signed up to chime in this thread - although to appears to be popular for clicks...
Hmm dumm.
I know I'm on to something - but there's a wall of silence...
Greetings:
Maybe the no-bodys are lurking, waiting for the right time to jump in... ;)
Perhaps this may be of interest:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=127BR5b8Hm4
Mind Control - The Mechanics of Mind Control - Tools for the Awakening - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=127BR5b8Hm4)
Uploaded on May 25, 2011
Hi-quality at: http://www.drjoesvideo.com
This facinating 2 hour lecture will keep you on the edge of your seat and mind in understanding the mechanisms of your mind and the implications of applying this information to the current awakening that is happening in human consciousness.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljMvvZR9NJM
1:55:47 Mind Control 2 - The Mechanics of Mind Control 2 - More tools for the Awakening - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljMvvZR9NJM)
Uploaded on May 25, 2011
Hi-quality at: http://www.drjoesvideo.com
This 2nd of 6 facinating 2 hour lecture will keep you on the edge of your seat and mind in understanding the mechanisms of your mind and the implications of applying this information to the current awakening that is happening in human consciousness.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsM2k7KI2xs
1:56:25 Mind Control 3 - The Mechanics of Mind Control 3 - More tools for the Awakening - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsM2k7KI2xs)
Uploaded on May 25, 2011
Hi-quality at: http://www.drjoesvideo.com
This 3rd of 6 facinating 2 hour lecture will keep you on the edge of your seat and mind in understanding the mechanisms of your mind and the implications of applying this information to the current awakening that is happening in human consciousness.
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Bluebird/lg50aa500a.gif)
tfw
Peace Love Light
Liberty & Equality or RevolutionHec'el oinipikte (that we shall live)FUKUSHIMA FALLOUT CLOCKElapsed Time since March 11, 2011, 2:46 PM - Fukushima, Japan (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20110311T1446&p0=2155)
The World Must Take Charge at Fukushima (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=5453.msg74364#msg74364)
"In a time of universal deceit
telling the truth is considered a revolutionary act."
George Orwell
If we are living in a hologram, there should be evidence of holographic projectors. In the movie Zardoz, Zed, the Brutal exterminator was able to see the bluish laser light that was always present in the Vortex ( fortified habitation zones used by the elite ) by staring into a crystal. These crystals served as information storage and tranceiver devices using laser light and optical diffraction. It is interesting that often UFO abductees would report seeing a bluish light just before they find themselves teleported or levitated into a alien enviornment. It is also interesting to note that we always have some kind of light source that is always around us. Could some of these light sources be projectors? Perhaps the projection sources are also holograms so everything could be made of light holograms.
I'll have to watch that film, thanks 1TK.
Going beyond holographic planes, and exploring our 'holographic reality', you raise some interesting concepts.
Has anyone else stumbled across the theory that our whole sky and moon is a hologram?
I find Star Treks use of the Holodeck interesting...
Thor.. I've watched video's 1 & 2 so far, great lectures that I've enjoyed very much thank you :)
Can our engineers verify this?
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Sorry for taking so long to post the images, but here they are, original on the left, my PMV on the right. :)
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More tomorrow. :)
Sorry for not posting more images yesterday, I didn't have the time. Here are some more. :)
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I will try to post the last images tomorrow. :)
Holographic projectors cannot work on clear skies. There has to be smog , mist or other particulates in the air for the beam to project unto. Chemtrails could turn the upper atmosphere into a projection screen due to the aluminum particulates contained in the chemicals.
Thanks ArMaP, I'll return with some more comments tomorrow.
Last block of images. :)
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Right.
I'm pissed.
Another strange sighting approx. at 8am.
I left home to walk to the bus stop to commute to my slave duties, when I looked up to see two planes Chemtrailing directly above.
One was going across me from right to left, whilst the other was going straight forward from behind me.
The sky was already a dull grey haze with the remnants of the Trailing that I presume had begun a few hours earlier.
All 'normal' so far, until I was about to look away, then from NOWHERE, just a few metre's (20?) behind the plane that was trailing from right to left, a small 'fireball' started to form and gradually rise slightly higher than the Chem Plane. The small ball then gradually grew larger into a 'Ball of fire' ... I pulled out my Crapberry to snap a shot, I took a poor photo, and then looked past the camera screen back to the sky, where the fireball had transformed into a grey splodge. I continued my decent down a hill and rounded a corner to look at this grey splodge that was now travelling in the direction I initially came from.
To my surprise it had turned into a grey... Plane. Of sorts.
It was extremely small and I tried to figure out if it was a drone of some sort.
I continued to observe it, looking for tell tale signs of Drone or small craft, however the thing remained silent and extremely small.
It then travelled silently into the distance and I looked back in time to see its 'tale end' defying gravity and bending 'upwards'
(I have seen grey craft do this before).
In one final glance towards this object I observed it then change from any recognisable craft shape into a grey 'hook' in the sky.. Like an Omen of the Grim reaper.
That was the end of that, then I continued to observe further ChemPlanes that had appeared and begun trailing in different directions.
For clarity 90% of the Sky was an Induced Grey Haze, with White Chem Trails scattered about... And the sun could not be seen anywhere until I had travelled half a mile on my bus, where I then located the sun extremely low on the Horizon which was a deep orang/red.
The 'fireball' could not have been any regular craft shining from the sunlight.
And I'm pissed cuz I keep witnessing all this with no explanation. ???
Sinny
what you have described sounds like a sun dog to me
especially the ball of fire and size changing and going right to left
I can't post pics anymore but I know there are some on here so you might do a search
they seem to occur with that dense grey cover of chem trails..but the only ones I have seen
have been in the evening sky after a day of trails...maybe we are far enough apart that you would get them in the mornings
sorry I can't be more helpful on the pics but they are amazing to watch ...
i'll see if I can find the posts for you
best I could find real quick like
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=231.msg55384#msg55384
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/10314598_736519073059779_5001528108771635366_n_zps7756c684.jpg)
Wing Tip Vortex NOT a CHEMTRAIL :P
Go fly a plane and you will soon understand :D
Here is one from the tip of the aileron on landing Wet humid climate works best :D
(http://www.sunlakesaeroclub.org/updates_web_data/081231/Contrails_files/image004.jpg)
The vortex is there even when it is not leaving a visible trail
One of the first instructions you get as a small plane (Cesna) pilot you get is DO NOT get to close behind a commercial jet or it will tear off your wings :D
(http://www.flytime.ca/files/2013/05/wingtip_vortices_flyingindiancom.jpg)
This one really gives the visual effect
(http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/5/0/1/1091105.jpg)
(http://video.airlineratings.com/140102Emirates777wakevortex_airratings.jpeg)
(http://api.ning.com/files/bDQcD9b8Um-P13R*hI9tMC4JZ623uqtRIFggpJY-ZvrPPfmc5aBOHX0GAzEdxLpxtRq0VHXprtELPlxjmnCksFMlDeOT1w5GF-JjPtnZMOc_/IMG_5261_copy_close_up_filtered.jpg?width=737&height=491)
Sinny, this may be of interest.
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WTC2 75th Fl Beam Flooring Ejected still attached to MER peremeter - World Trade Center Evidence-Based Research (http://www.sharpprintinginc.com/911/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=219&MMN_position=463:463)
Discussion: Vector And Turn Analysis Of Observed And Measured Flight Paths Of 9/11 WTC Aircraft | 911Blogger.com (http://911blogger.com/node/23046)
Review of Analysis of Observed and Measured In-Flight Turns Suggests Superior Control of 9/11 WTC Aircraft
Aidan Monaghan B.Sc. EET
Abstract
Video footage depicts United Airlines Flight 175 (UA 175) impacting World Trade Center tower 2 (WTC 2) on September 11, 2001 in New York City via a trajectory comprised of two separate banked turns.
The second turn was apparently not required to generate impact. The first turn, which maintains a constant angle of bank (AoB), is evident at 1.2 miles before impact.[1]
Although human control of UA 175's observed maneuvers cannot be ruled out, the precise coordination of variables such as the selections of a correct bank angle and turn start time for the first turn apparently pose challenges to the unaided human control hypothesis. The observed turn stability favors the use of autopilot operation, either functioning in a conventional course control mode or in Control Wheel Steering (CWS) mode. The probability that either of these two control systems were used is discussed.
Flight deck images of United and American airlines 757s and 767s suggest that such CWS functions may have been disabled circa 2001. Constant radius turns utilizing plotted waypoints during commercial aviation operations are routinely supported by augmented GPS navigation service and related commercial Flight Management Systems (FMS) available circa
2001.[2] As will be demonstrated, the implementation of UA 175's observed 1.2 mile constant radius arc, seconds earlier or later than observed, would apparently result in UA 175 missing WTC 2.
Estimates of the likely effect of crosswinds on the approach to WTC 2 are also provided. It is noted that a projected impact via the first observed banked turn would have occurred under crosswind conditions capable of generating between 122 and 134 approximate total feet of lateral displacement from the calculated final position of the aircraft if not affected by such crosswinds. Aircraft distances and other calculations are based on reported aircraft speed for UA 175 of 799 feet per second at impact and measured times to impact [3].
The observed speeds of both attack aircraft were extreme by comparison to the typical speeds of similarly descending aircraft. While creating significantly less response time for possible human hijacker pilot course corrections during final target approaches that would
demand superior control surface operation, a general vector analysis considering the final course and speed for each aircraft suggests that the unusually high speeds observed would generate greater accuracy of the aircraft while enroute to their targets, as a result of smaller course deflection angles and ground track displacements, created by existing and potential crosswinds.
(http://www.scribd.com/doc/48415273/Monaghan-Analysis-page-numbered/Monaghan_Analysis_page%20numbered%5B/url)(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Bluebird/lg50aa500a.gif)
tfw
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Liberty & Equality or Revolution
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Thank you all for the input, its much appreciated.
What I winessed does not seem to be accountable by any of the explanations thus far put forward..
I should imagine this is frustrating for all parties..
I won't give up until I can evidence what it is I am seeing..
Any One heard of a project 'Ghost' or 'Ghost Gun' ?
Military deployment of Holography?
Sinny.. sorry don't have a lot of time this morning but hope this helps a bit
Ghost Gunner
https://ghostgunner.net/
THE GHOST GUNNER. An open source hardware project by Defense Distributed. Pre-order Now. Open Source .... More than Guns. Ghost Gunner is capable of ...
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[PDF](or "Ghost Gun") Project "Blue Beam" - StealthSkater
www.stealthskater.com/Documents/Holography_02.pdf
Jul 4, 2004 - Project "Ghost" (or "Ghost Gun"). Project "Blue Beam". StealthSkater note: I had heard about projecting holographic images into the air for.
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The $1,200 Machine That Lets Anyone Make a Metal Gun at ...
www.wired.com/2014/10/cody-wilson-ghost-gunner/
Oct 1, 2014 - Some gun control advocates call it a "ghost gun." Selling that untraceable gun body is illegal, but no law prevents you from making one.
?Dark Wallet - ?Fantastically Wrong - ?These 3-D Printed Skeleton ...
or
Defense and Intelligence - Zebra Imaging
www.zebraimaging.com/defense
Zebra Imaging
Thousands of unclassified images have already been deployed to the US Military. Zebra Imaging's holographic prints provide soldiers and leaders a virtual look ...
3-D MAPS PROVIDE NEW EDGE IN BATTLE PREPARATION
www.zebraimaging.com/.../3-D-MAPS-PROVIDE-NEW-...
Zebra Imaging
Mar 6, 2012 - Any unit preparing to deploy can ask for one to be custom-made for its ... deploying soldiers with these holograms, made by Zebra Imaging in ...
When Daddy Is Off at War: A Hologram Home? - TIME
content.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1870426,00.html
Time
Jan 9, 2009 - Now the Pentagon wants to create computerized hologram-like moms and dads that can talk with the kids when their parents are deployed far ...
Wow these guy's have an incredible Kid's toy :D
QuoteKey Features of 3D Holographic Prints (holograms)
True 3D: Glasses-free 3D - enjoy a 360-degree viewing range.
Multiple copies: Unlike physical models, you can easily produce multiple "leave behinds" for clients, investors and other stakeholders.
Easy viewing: Illuminate the hologram with a simple halogen or LED light source, no special viewing equipment is required.
Portable and durable: Our holographic prints are easy to ship; the prints come with protective coatings for durability, and they can be marked on with a dry erase marker.
http://www.zebraimaging.com/
Quote from: space otter on January 29, 2015, 03:53:34 PM
[PDF](or "Ghost Gun") Project "Blue Beam" - StealthSkater
www.stealthskater.com/Documents/Holography_02.pdf
Jul 4, 2004 - Project "Ghost" (or "Ghost Gun"). Project "Blue Beam". StealthSkater note: I had heard about projecting holographic images into the air for.
Thank you Sky, I'm struggling to complete my searches in between work.
It's the stealth Stalker info I was hoping to find more about... I thought in anyone would be able to help or would be 'in the know' they might be lurking here somewhere.
Quote
Project "Ghost" (or "Ghost Gun")
Project "Blue Beam"
StealthSkater note: I had heard about projecting holographic images into the air for military purposes of optical decoy. I had also heard rumors of intelligence agencies projecting images of religious figures to force a populace to surrender (or whatever).
In addition, someone e-mailed me from "out of the blue" and asked me if I knew anything about "Project Ghost". I had never heard of it back then. (I don't know what on my website prompted this query.) He sent a follow-up "thank you" e-mail with the admission that "they used in the Persian Gulf War". That's all I ever heard from him.
One story that emerged from the famous Black Forest, Colorado atmospheric portals case (see doc pdf URL was that the affected family were unknowing "guinea pigs" of testing of this technology with possible mind-influencing/mood-control offshoots. So I decided to track down some of the popular folklore concerning "Ghost" and "Blue Beam". As usual, I do not know what fiction is mixed in with the facts (if any) in these accounts.
9-11 Test for WebSleuths
The Nuts and Bolts of Bush's Treason
Stefan Grossmann, www.gallerize.com, July 4, 2004
... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
In my book T MINUS 9-11 (www.gallerize.com), I present a secret weapons technology of "holographic deception" (U.S. top-secret project "Ghost Gun"). A very knowledge analyst of the problem has used the word "animation" (see note after answer 2). Evan Fairbanks -- the ABC cameraman of the WTC on 9-11-1 -- used the expressions "bad special effect" and "Hollywood makes it" and similar. What it exactly-down-to-the-blueprint was we don?t know. In any case, it demonstrates the use of exotic, secret and most likely military hi-tech such as only the Pentagon can commandeer.
This technical finding is the technical refutation of the government?s al Qaeda and bin Laden conspiracy theories.
Apart from project Ghost Gun for holographic deception (i.e., visual camouflage), to my mind the most feasible starting point for analyzing this plane-like weapon is Col. Thomas E. Bearden's description of an electromagnetic hologram missile shooting down an airplane in Gander during the cold war in the 1980s. See => http://www.cheniere.org/books/gravitobiology/dc8.htm .
The Four Riders of the 9-11 Apocalypse
by Dr. Stefan G. E. Grossmann
http://www.gallerize.com
June 28, 2004
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The logical suspicion for the 9-11 mastermind is the same who enabled the Chinese nuclear espionage -- Leon S. Fuerth. Only he would have had the intelligence, contacts, and perfidious criminality (such as doing it behind the back of his boss Al Gore) to pull such an operation together. There is no other feasible choice in the entire Clinton personnel.
The 'whatever' that struck the South Tower was not a hijacked Boeing 767-222. Only exotic weapons systems can glide through steel columns without colliding with them. This strange ghost-like behavior is known only from hologram missiles where the outer covering is a deceptive layer of light to hide a cruise missile riding inside.
Fuerth had the U.S. military develop such weapons since 1997 in "Project Ghost Gun", based on older exotic scalar and holographic hi-tech. There is no other known weapons system -- however exotic -- that could behave like the plane at south tower did on 9-11-1. Therefore I conclude that Leon Fuerth was behind masterminding the 9-11 terror attacks ...
http://www.stealthskater.com/Documents/Holography_02.pdf
Sinny,
You may have found this already, thouht I would post it for ya.
At the link scroll to just past the first paragraph, you will see
a little graph bar that goes 1-5. All pages are full of great info
on this tech.
http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a1994projector&scale=1#a1994projector
QuoteOrbs and the new generation of deceptive weapons: Mimicking high-energy plasma balls to obfuscate RS probes
Quote"The deployment of the system over the skies of Mexico City proved how efficient these remote sensing probes are; that our orbs can be seen both with the naked eye, and that they leave a radar signature, means the system is now mature"
http://forgottenlanguages-full.forgottenlanguages.org/2013/08/orbs-and-new-generation-of-deceptive.html
Quote"At the Berkley Radiation Laboratory, Bohm began what was to become his landmark work on plasmas. A plasma is a gas containing a high density of electrons and positive ions...To his amazement he found that once they were in a plasma, they were part of a larger and interconnected whole. Although their individual movements appeared random, vast numbers of electrons were able to produce effects that were surprisingly well-organized. Like some amoeboid creature, the plasma constantly regenerated itself and enclosed impurities in a wall in the same way that a biological organism might encase a foreign substance in a cyst.(4) So struck was Bohm by these organic qualities that he later remarked he'd frequently had the impression the electron sea was "alive." (5)
- The Holographic Universe, Talbot, page 38
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread958299/pg75&mem=
Mil-ORBs and the penetration of Chinese Airspace - High Level Events for the Suppression of Chinese Air Defenses
http://forgottenlanguages-full.forgottenlanguages.org/2014/02/mil-orbs-and-penetration-of-chinese.html
Artificially Induced Magnetophosphenes - The phosphene interpretation of plasma orbs
http://forgottenlanguages-full.forgottenlanguages.org/2014/10/artificially-induced-magnetophosphenes.html
Induced Phosphenes & Scotomas
http://www.kyb.mpg.de/fileadmin/user_upload/files/publications/pdfs/pdf197.pdf
Inducing mystical experiences in selected populations: The role of slow flying deltoid PSVshttp://forgottenlanguages-full.forgottenlanguages.org/2014/02/inducing-mystical-experiences-in.html
Black Triangle UFOs and an Alleged Breakaway Civilization- Discuss
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1034694/pg47
Forgotten Languages (website) is counting down 138 days - I wonder why..
Earth Magnetic Monopole Array Field Interaction with Cyclotron–Synchrotron electrons and Muon conversion used for Levitation Systems.Leo Vuyk,
Architect,
Rotterdam, the Netherlands.
LeoVuyk@Gmail.com
http://vixra.org/pdf/1202.0091v2.pdf
So I was just browsing the Livingmoon.com and was reminded of the Dudley Dorito...
After reveiwing the UK images of triangles, I feel confident enough to say that I've seen the same, although I saw them againt the darkest of sky's.. The colourful light patterns give them away.. Red, yellow, blue...
I wish I had of seem them in the day light..
Looking back.. It's like they were literally performing in the night sky... Well, they certainly weren't hiding themselves.
This was during the 'wave' of various UFO's in all shapes and sizes across my town in 2011/12.
Historically, UFO waves have been known... To many to mention here, but we have enough documented on this forum alone.
Is that any different today?
Is the same happening today with more modern tehnology?
This 'wave' was in plain sight for all who cared to look..
Who intended us to see.. And why?
I think a few of the previous links touched upon some possibilities.
...
Besides that, after much consideration..
I cannot fathom whether my initial UFO sighting, of the 'saucer' UFO (black and sleek in design) was of the same nature as the UFO's that followed.
The other UFO's, the orbs, and the 'wave's...
They were all in motion, with some sort of objective, whether that be a 'light' show, or a jet chase..
But my initial one.. Was very personal, and was initmate to me, as I have described previously. In hind sight, they were very different experiences.. Is that significant, or irrelivant?
And so the questions remain..
The UFO groups are not as active today so it is difficult to be sure how modern UFO activity compares to in the past. The media go through phases of reporting then pretty much ignoring UFOs too. It is hard to be sure recently but ArMaP might know of recent waves. I have been getting behind again after a busy year or two including my son ruining my life (joke).
I agree, these days there are no organised groups that conduct the legitimate observations that need to be made.
I've found the best place to look is simply on the web, scattered about, to find your national reports.
Just google 'Report UFO UK' , and you turn up where ever the average national surfer does.
I know this from reporting my own sightings. The information is there, just not correlated. Do your own correlation and you get to build a picture.
Jung's INTP me... Absorbs lots, knows lots, produces very little.
Wish somebody would get off there arse and sort it (tongue in cheek).
Besides that, I've dipped my toe into the regional 'alternative movement', and they are... Really... Not.. My ... Sorta ... Peeps.
I know more than they do, and they're not short of shills.
Not the place for me to be.
I was greatly dissapointed.
Back to the corners of the web I crawl.
I was trying to get a database project organised but my life got too busy. I'm starting to have more free time again now so you never know.
Hope you do :D
So summers arrived here in Birmingham, and 'they' have already started brutalising our clear blue skies.
It's like the sky is a white board and God has let loose one of his 'children' free to scribble all over it with a marker.
The trails have literally become trails, and I have managed to locate them all from the same direction and point of origin.
I'll attempt to cross reference this on a map and see if I can figure where the heck all these jets are coming from.
I wonder what UFO's this summer hold in store for me.
I was supposed to start a thread today in regards to a UFO theory supposed by Jaques Vallee, however it slipped my mind so I will include it here before the whole idea slips my mind.
Black Ops aside, Vallee has concluded that the UFO's being so varied in appearances, occurances, and physical feats of bewilderment, appear to be a 'technology' controlled by a technology' as he put it.
Which it's self makes me think back to PKD's Valis, and the original Ashtar stories in which Ashtar is a computer rather than an actual being..
Touching upon his theory that these 'UFO's' knowingly interact with the humans they encounter, he continue's to state that they draw their physical forms from images we ourselves project from our subconcious. (Jungian slant).
That is why some UFO's initially appear to be 'shapes' and energy sphere's which we cannot readily identify nor describe in usual language, they then shape shift before our eye's, and transform into something more recognisible from our own perceptions.
(Think JK Rowlings Boggart)
When I read this, it dawned on me that my 'black saucer' UFO may be accounted for in this way. Not only was the encounter very initmate, but else where on another forum I did toy with the idea that image could potentially have been projected into my perception from an external source. However since reading Vallee's theory, I'm tending to lean towards the fact that an external source may have caused me to externalise the images in my mind.
I say this because I have taken a number of psychology 'tests', the ones in which you are made to visualise certain objects, and the shape/colours/size of said objects are then supposed to explain certain aspects about your own psychology.
In the tests, most notibly a recent one, I was asked to visulise a cube.
My cube happened to be small, black, heavy, and sleek.
The exact same as that particular UFO, bar the shape.
Although even my UFO had a rounded rectangular appearance.
For clarity I will link the interview in which Vallee descibes this in far better terms than I.
Transcript of Valle's Inteview posted by the member Constance, about half way down:
http://www.theparacast.com/forum/threads/jacques-vallee-c2c-july-2014-interview.15290/
In addition to that, I can't believe I haven't made a Dr Peter beter thread over here yet. I was listening to his audio tapes again last night, but this time attempting to absorb more information on the space bases and weapons.
He hightlighted that it was in the 60's that the 'anti-gravity' craft came into their own and starting replacing the conventional craft, hense why they were still banging on about the X-15 in the 1980's, almost 30 years after it's ceation. He highlighted that the Uncle Sams of the world stopped informing us of their advances.
He noted that whilst the Americans were the first to step foot on the near side of the moon, it was the Russians that ist step foot on the 'dark side'.
He claims this was done via the Soyuz 25 - which apparently was a failed mission that was sent back to earth Beter contends that it did not return to earth but docked to a propulsion system which took it to the moon, and gave birth to the Battle of Harvest moon.
I have a few missing details prior and subsequent to this, but only because I wasn't taking sufficient notes.
I do intend to record the Auio transcripts relating to the space race over here... Where better for the fact to be verified?
The most important topics dicussed by Beter for me are:
1) Anti-Gravity space platforms.
2) Psychotronic an Particle Beam Weapons.
3) Robotoids and Synthetics.
4) Bolshevik Zionist axis. Under water missile crisis of 76'.
5) Collapse of the dollar and the Global PLAN.
What I have particularily been looking for is ##whats missing fom Beters reports?!##
I ask this because all information provided by Beter that can be verified can be verified, and most predictions did manifest themselves, including Fort Knox, Swine Flue, Crisis of 76', collapse of the Dollar, and much much more.
What's missing from Beters info?
Aliens and Nazi moon bases were not mentioned once.
I'm starting to think that the Nazi moon base is a cover for the initial American base, which was then highjacked by the Rusians.
But this was all in the 80's now... I wonder what has happened since???
Also, I was a movie the other week, I wasn't paying attention at the time, as it was just on in the background...
But looking back, the plot seemed to fit the bill for the under water missile crisis of 76' as describe by Beter, the movie appeared to me to have been madein the 80's.
The movie Salt, seems to describe his story of Bolshvik under cover agents in America organising 'Nuclear War One' (as I think he described it), the story fits perfectly, with the Bolshevik under cover agent about to commit a small strike on Russia which would result in a counter attack wiping America off the map.
Food for thought...
One thing I am certain of tho...
Glad I'm not american, I believe that idea has just been shelved for the mean time.
However Beter did say, he hoped he could make this war plans know far and wide to the extent that they will have no other choice than to change the plan.
Quote from: Sinny on April 24, 2015, 04:41:57 PM
Which it's self makes me think back to PKD's Valis, and the original Ashtar stories in which Ashtar is a computer rather than an actual being..
"The Nine", "Ashtar", "Galactic Federation of Light" are in my opinion the result of a social engineering project/experiment in the USA which created much of the New Age mythos.
Quote from: space otter on January 29, 2015, 03:53:34 PM
[PDF](or "Ghost Gun") Project "Blue Beam" - StealthSkater
Jul 4, 2004 - Project "Ghost" (or "Ghost Gun"). Project "Blue Beam". StealthSkater note: I had heard about projecting holographic images into the air for.
Way back near the beginning of my time at ATS I posted a link to a document at Maxwell AFB on Holograms. That live link is now gone :P but at the time just posting it on the forum page set off bells and whistles. Seemed everyone that opened the thread page got an automatic alert from AF Security :D
Ever since that day I will never post a direct .mil link again unless I know it is a public access page :P
The image that went with that page is this one... projecting a Holographic black triangle in front of the real ship as a decoy
(http://www.thewebfairy.com/killtown/images/flight77/theories/holographic_projector.jpg)
I have the paper somewhere LOL
But Holograms are far ahead of what they show us even when the Main Stream News can do THIS
CNN Hologram TV Firsthttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thOxW19vsTg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thOxW19vsTg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CqUYBopWLs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CqUYBopWLs
Quote from: onetruekeeper on September 14, 2014, 12:46:35 AM
If we are living in a hologram, there should be evidence of holographic projectors. In the movie Zardoz, Zed, the Brutal exterminator was able to see the bluish laser light that was always present in the Vortex
Well a few years back there were some NASA photos... on the Moon... and the NASA archive page said the 'anomaly' was unexplained. They later changed that to read 'camera defect' Maybe ArMaP could find my original reference on ATS where I quoted tha NASA description (unless the Matrix itself was rewritten it should be there)
The images in question showed a bluish aura around the Astronaut and equipment that changes in intensity
(http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a12/AS12-46-6818HR.jpg)
(http://i42.tinypic.com/mutr8n.jpg)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/__7KSCq_6IUQ/SZZuM-NfQzI/AAAAAAAAAJE/CcjU4RT63Y0/s320/AstronautBlueVSM1-779829.jpg)
(http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a12/AS12-46-6826HR.jpg)
(http://www.documentingreality.com/forum/attachments/f242/293455d1311945138-blue-glowing-astronauts-as12-46-6820sm.jpg)
(http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a12/AS12-46-6813HR.jpg)
The effect lasted a short time and does not appear again Camera Artifact? Sorry not buying that one but I would like to find the original post at NASA archives that said they had no idea what caused it
Have you seen THIS one?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek-Q0T9wK2g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek-Q0T9wK2g
There were two other videos of this approach sightly different angle but the have been removed from YouTube I have a series of stills I captures
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/911/Frame_013.png)
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/911/Frame_014.png)
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/911/Frame_015.png)
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/911/Frame_016.png)
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/911/Frame_017.png)
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/911/Frame_018.png)
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/911/Frame_019.png)
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/911/Frame_020.png)
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/911/Frame_021.png)
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/911/Frame_022.png)
Notice on the top video the pod is only a blob, while in the stills from the other angle you can see the pod (The pod is an item yet to be explained)
Greetings:
Mr. Zorgon, are you really trolling the precious audience, hanging on Your every Word handed down from On-High ;), them sheeple perhaps even believing that a 'hologram' could result in a blast radius as evidenced by a veritable plethora of unclassified photographs?
Dear Reader, do not let this obvious government shill/disinfo agent sell you a bill of Chinese-made microchips (http://www.information-age.com/technology/security/2105468/security-backdoor-found-in-china-made-us-military-chip), unless One is as gullible/stupid/paid-off (http://defensetech.org/2012/05/30/smoking-gun-proof-that-military-chips-from-china-are-infected/) as our U.S. government.
Errrr, wait just a moment . . . what blast radius (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blast_radius)?
(http://i1073.photobucket.com/albums/w400/thorfourwinds/AntiNuke%20Graphics%20and%20Posters/OOPS.png)
WTF?How come the building explodes outward when Your hologram/plane/drone dissolves/penetrates/aluminum-slices-through-steel-beams-anomaly/apparition in these photographs?
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10005/911_Attack003_red_explosion.jpg)
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10005/WTC911_plane2_640.jpg)
signed (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2bL18UsUzw),
UnSure in Georgia :-*
Does anyone else see the pod on the second 9/11 plane? I have to admit it looks like a pod. Explain that!
Quote from: zorgon on April 29, 2015, 02:45:16 AM
Way back near the beginning of my time at ATS I posted a link to a document at Maxwell AFB on Holograms. That live link is now gone :P but at the time just posting it on the forum page set off bells and whistles. Seemed everyone that opened the thread page got an automatic alert from AF Security :D
Ever since that day I will never post a direct .mil link again unless I know it is a public access page :P
The image that went with that page is this one... projecting a Holographic black triangle in front of the real ship as a decoy
(http://www.thewebfairy.com/killtown/images/flight77/theories/holographic_projector.jpg)
The Internet Archive may help. :)
Is this (http://web.archive.org/web/20040202001749/http://www.au.af.mil/au/2025/volume4/chap03/b5_6.htm) what you're talking about?
Quote from: zorgon on April 29, 2015, 03:02:29 AM
Well a few years back there were some NASA photos... on the Moon... and the NASA archive page said the 'anomaly' was unexplained. They later changed that to read 'camera defect' Maybe ArMaP could find my original reference on ATS where I quoted tha NASA description (unless the Matrix itself was rewritten it should be there)
This (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread225616/pg230#pid3702133)?
It's still there on the Apollo 12 page (http://www.hq.nasa.gov/pao/History/alsj/a12/images12.html#MiddleCrescentPan1).
Thor,
I'm unsure where the satire ends and the genuine questions start in your post...
Quote from: ArMaP on April 29, 2015, 01:49:55 PM
This (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread225616/pg230#pid3702133)?
It's still there
Yes that is it. Thanks :D
Yeah the original NASA post was by Pete Teague (Sp?) We found a lot of directories by him of 'photos in progress' :D
"Pete took this partial pan from the southeast rim of Middle Crescent just before he and Al headed back for the LM. The frames are AS12-46- 6836 to 6844. Note the strong colors at the center of the righthand frames. Examination of successive frames indicate that this related to the camera lens, very likely a dust smudge. Kipp Teague notes "The lens aberration begins at as12-46-6813. It's a blue glow around the astronaut in 6818, again in 6826, a discoloration in other frames, affecting clarity in most, and it's not gone again until 6853 (back in the LM).
Whatever the phenomenon is, it has a varying impact on color based on the brightness of the central object in the image. On bright subjects, the aberration adds a blue cast, and on darker subjects, the aberration adds a reddish cast."
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon9/AS12_46_6820/AS12-46-6826HR_001.jpg)
Now we all know that NASA's pet answer is 'ice and dust' and 'lens artifacts' :P
So it is nice to dee the occasional (and rare) "Whatever the phenomenon is...."
Quote from: thorfourwinds on April 29, 2015, 05:07:29 AM
How come the building explodes outward when Your hologram/plane/drone dissolves/penetrates/aluminum-slices-through-steel-beams-anomaly/apparition in these photographs?
Well one of the official claims is the intense heat caused by the burning jet fuel that cause the steel core beams to melt.
What I DON'T understand is how those people who so easily accept the "official story" do so without thinking. It boggles my mind really.
I have done welding and it takes a long time to heat steel to close to melting point, As soon as you remove the heat source it cools rapidly. Any welder can tell you this. Try melting a steel rod in a fire pit see how long it takes to get red...let alone reach melting point
So #1 "plane" hits building Jet fuel explodes in a big fireball... but HOW LONG did it burn?
Well about 7 Seconds
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/911/Fireball_06.png)
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/911/Fireball_08.png)
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/911/Fireball_10.png)
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/911/Fireball_11.png)
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/911/Fireball_12.png)
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/911/Fireball_13.png)
So the fireball of the burning jet fuel lasted about 7 seconds and set some office furniture on fire. Don't forget that a) the steel core beams were THICK heavy steel designed to withstand several hits of airplanes and b) the reason Silverburg had to demolish the towers was because they were covered in fireproof asbestos and c) the temperature of burning jet fuel or office furniture is NOT hot enough to melt steel, certainly not in just a few minutes
So back to that HOLE the 'plane' left Look at the hole CLOSELY. This is minutes after the plane hit... What do you see? Take a minute... there are 4 points of importance
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/911/impact-area.jpg)
Quote from: ArMaP on April 29, 2015, 12:55:04 PM
Is this (http://web.archive.org/web/20040202001749/http://www.au.af.mil/au/2025/volume4/chap03/b5_6.htm) what you're talking about?/quote]
Yeah that is it but I did have it on the Livingmoon
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/911/Holographic_Projector.png)
Here is the original link to Maxwell AFB Let me know what you get :D Don't be afraid to accept certificates :D They really don't bite. That is the link to the Air Force College
https://www.maxwell.af.mil/au/2025/volume4/chap03/b5_6.htm
Quote from: zorgon on April 29, 2015, 06:33:04 PM
Here is the original link to Maxwell AFB Let me know what you get :D
404 - File or directory not found.
QuoteDon't be afraid to accept certificates :D
Never was. :)
In this particular case the warning meant only that the organisations that signed the certificate are not known as trustworthy.
One question about this whole hologram thing: how many people here have seen a hologram with their own eyes, not just in photos or videos?
Quote from: ArMaP on April 29, 2015, 10:00:17 PM
One question about this whole hologram thing: how many people here have seen a hologram with their own eyes, not just in photos or videos?
Never that I know of for sure.
But considering all the stange sightings I've had, holograms have entered the list of possibilities.
Some of my UFO's have behaved so strange. I was hoping so called UFO investigators out there would be interested in the sheer diversity and behaviour of them, but apparently UFOlogy is lacking in the scientific method. In fact, no one has really asked me any questions about my sightings... Leaving me to wonder if anyone really is interested in solving the mystery. I have noticed people sometimess don't want to push the boundries of possibilities very often, subconcious fear I'm sure.
Quote from: ArMaP on April 29, 2015, 09:57:44 PM
In this particular case the warning meant only that the organisations that signed the certificate are not known as trustworthy.
Yes that is the first warning they use LOL the "certificate not known as trustworthy". That usually stops most people :P
But hey who trusts the military and government right? :P
Though I must say no all government agents are inept I just went through the Social Security process in minutes Seems when you have all your papers in order things go smoothly No fuss no muss Out in 24 minutes
Quote from: Sinny on April 29, 2015, 01:56:02 PM
Thor,
I'm unsure where the satire ends and the genuine questions start in your post...
Starting with the salutation, 'Mr.' ;)
Thank you for noticing. :-*
Stay tuna-ed. ;)
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Bluebird/lg50aa500a.gif)
And then there's the situation of the wing behind the building. :P
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10005/Plane_wing_behind_8_48_59_PM_copy_640.png) (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10005/Plane_wing_behind_8_48_59_PM_copy.png)
And "the pod, the pod . . ." ;D
Quote from: Sinny on April 29, 2015, 10:48:47 PM
Never that I know of for sure.
I saw one years ago at Disney World in Florida in the Haunted Mansion
Remember that this was back in the 60's
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zy9vTq8iEvc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zy9vTq8iEvc
Quote from: thorfourwinds on April 30, 2015, 02:30:08 AM
And then there's the situation of the wing behind the building. :P
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10005/Plane_wing_behind_8_48_59_PM_copy_640.png) (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10005/Plane_wing_behind_8_48_59_PM_copy.png)
And "the pod, the pod . . ." ;D
Already de-bunked....but hey spreadin' it...spreadin' it..... ::) :P
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on April 30, 2015, 01:10:05 PM
Already de-bunked....but hey spreadin' it...spreadin' it..... ::) :P
What was the debunking then? As from first glance that plane appears to be defying regular physics..
Quote from: Sinny on April 30, 2015, 02:00:09 PM
As from first glance that plane appears to be defying regular physics..
It's an image, it's not defying any physics. :)
Quote from: Sinny on April 30, 2015, 02:00:09 PM
What was the debunking then? As from first glance that plane appears to be defying regular physics..
don't have time to reply to this...at work...have to look for the posts and the de-bunking... ::) ;D ;)
If i can't find it, I'll say I'm sorry....nevermind :'( ::)
I see NO ONE wants to take on this photo and find the four points that are wrong with it :P
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/911/impact-area.jpg)
Quote from: zorgon on April 30, 2015, 02:50:50 AM
I saw one years ago at Disney World in Florida in the Haunted Mansion
From what I could find about it, that's not a hologram.
Quote from: zorgon on April 30, 2015, 08:53:20 PM
I see NO ONE wants to take on this photo and find the four points that are wrong with it :P
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/911/impact-area.jpg)
Maybe it's not what we see but what we don't see? I don't see any slag from the plane acting like a "slice rod" to cut through the main supports, I also don't see any plane pieces at all. Not a scrap of clothing or luggage. The guy standing there waving might indicate there is no fire at all on that floor. Plane does not appear to have penetrated all the way to the core as you can see 3 floors of cement & rebar it had to plow through to get to it. That's all I got. :P
Yes there is that too what we don't see :D
#1 At the far right where the wing was supposed to have entered the beams have not been penetrated all the way (so why is the wing portion not still embedded in that framework?
#2 Several of the beams are bent OUTWARDS, Should they not all be bent inwards?
#3 You can clearly see that nothing went through the entire building taking out the core because you can still SEE IT
And yes there is no plane debris, no luggage, no bodies... not a single scrap
#4 The Lady waving (seen in several photos and videos is Edna Cintron Unfortunately she didn't make it out of the building. She was dubbed Wonder Woman because minutes after the plane crashed and it was supposed to be hot enough to melt steel, she seems to have no problem touching the hot metal. You can see a few small office fires that are almost out in the next image. Now LOOK at this and tell me again an airplane went through here
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/911/Edna_105.jpg)
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/911/Edna_03.png)
Where is the plane and debris? Why can we see structure behind her?
Nope no plane made that hole :P
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/911/Edna_062.jpg)
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/02files/World_Trade_002.html)
Quote from: zorgon on May 01, 2015, 01:00:16 AM
#2 Several of the beams are bent OUTWARDS, Should they not all be bent inwards?
I don't see any beam bent outward, only beam coverings (or whatever those things that cover the beams to give them a more "presentable" look are called).
Quote#3 You can clearly see that nothing went through the entire building taking out the core because you can still SEE IT
Wouldn't the building collapse instantly if the core was broken?
QuoteAnd yes there is no plane debris, no luggage, no bodies... not a single scrap
I don't think they were supposed to be on entrance hole, because of the speed of the plane.
Quote#4 The Lady waving (seen in several photos and videos is Edna Cintron Unfortunately she didn't make it out of the building. She was dubbed Wonder Woman because minutes after the plane crashed and it was supposed to be hot enough to melt steel, she seems to have no problem touching the hot metal.
If anyone was expecting the outer beams to melt when they were not being hit directly by the fire then those people are not very intelligent. :P
QuoteYou can see a few small office fires that are almost out in the next image. Now LOOK at this and tell me again an airplane went through here
To me it looks like the left half of a plane went through there, as I think we are seeing only the area that was hit by the left wing and the body of the plane, not the area hit by the right wing.
Quote from: ArMaP on April 29, 2015, 10:00:17 PM
One question about this whole hologram thing: how many people here have seen a hologram with their own eyes, not just in photos or videos?
I was suspicious that the hologram news piece (where the reporter appeared as a "hologram") might have been a hoax to convince enemies that the technology is better than it really is. How can we know?
And yes, I have seen holograms but they were 2D images made to look 3D and would never convince a person they are real as they look fake.
How does aluminum cut through steel? And we are talking about 200,000 tons of steel per building, plus concrete.
The videos show the planes passing through the towers at the same speed they are travelling in the air.
The planes could not have caused the twin towers to disintegrate into millions of cubic meters of fine dust.
It's about as plausible as Mohammed Atta's high tech passport.
Quote from: SkiesSeven on May 07, 2015, 06:12:51 PM
How does aluminum cut through steel?
With high speed, things shot at high speed can cut a wood board.
QuoteAnd we are talking about 200,000 tons of steel per building, plus concrete.
The aeroplanes are supposed to have cut only part of the steel structure at the floors they hit, not the whole building.
QuoteThe videos show the planes passing through the towers at the same speed they are travelling in the air.
No, the videos show the aeroplanes entering the buildings at what looks the same speed they were travelling, and (I think in the video of the second aeroplane) part of the plane exiting on the other side.
QuoteThe planes could not have caused the twin towers to disintegrate into millions of cubic meters of fine dust.
Nobody in their right mind says they did, if they had then the buildings would disintegrate on impact, not some time after.
QuoteIt's about as plausible as Mohammed Atta's high tech passport.
It's plausible to me, but I don't know if that's exactly what happened.
ArMaP, you know darn well we're not talking about Wood.
I know the OCT goes that the jet fuel went down the elevator shafts. But that is ridiculous. Even more so when you factor WTC7.
It's a good thing you mentioned the other plane exiting on the other side, because even the debunkers will try to say it was not even the airplane exiting the other side.
And yes, the videos DO show the planes traveling at the same speed when they penetrate the buildings. They don't merely "appear to be". That is precisely what we see. Unless in a twist of irony, you're saying the videos are an optical illusion?
The recovered passport was laughable.
Frankly, there was more than enough evidence to charge the Israeli spies if it weren't for Chertoff's obstruction. They had the means, the motive, the cash, the explosives, the fronts like Urban Moving Systems, their phony art student ring, and spies dancing in the streets of New York posing as Palestinians while recording it. Oh yeah, and "box cutters".
Quote from: SkiesSeven on May 07, 2015, 10:35:10 PM
ArMaP, you know darn well we're not talking about Wood.
I thought any intelligent person would understand what I meant. ::)
QuoteI know the OCT goes that the jet fuel went down the elevator shafts. But that is ridiculous. Even more so when you factor WTC7.
What does OCT mean? ???
QuoteAnd yes, the videos DO show the planes traveling at the same speed when they penetrate the buildings. They don't merely "appear to be". That is precisely what we see.
I didn't measure the speed, so I said that they "appear to be" travelling at the same speed.
QuoteUnless in a twist of irony, you're saying the videos are an optical illusion?
No, I'm saying that our vision is not good enough to notice a difference in the speed of the aeroplanes after they hit the buildings.
PS: I don't think things happened exactly as the official version states, but that doesn't mean that I have to accept everything that is said about it.
Bottom line... ::)
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/02/20/911-planesno-planes-and-video-fakery/
Note to self:
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s635/Sinny_Dawes/holo_zpstqonxllk.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/Sinny_Dawes/media/holo_zpstqonxllk.jpg.html)
Okay I am going to ask TWO QUESTIONSI like you ArMap :p But I want YOU to think about this and answer my question
Quote from: SkiesSeven on May 07, 2015, 06:12:51 PM
How does aluminum cut through steel? And we are talking about 200,000 tons of steel per building, plus concrete. The videos show the planes passing through the towers at the same speed they are travelling in the air.
There were no planes... no plane cut through the building... no plane came out the far side. The PROOF is in the official photos if people would stop IGNORING THEM
Quote from: ArMaP on May 07, 2015, 09:33:21 PM
With high speed, things shot at high speed can cut a wood board.
A Volkswagon Beetle travellig at 8o km/hr veers off a road and hits a dump truck doing 50Km/hr... what happens? The VW bounced like a billiard ball and the passengers lived THIS IS REALITY
QuoteNo, the videos show the aeroplanes entering the buildings at what looks the same speed they were travelling, and (I think in the video of the second aeroplane) part of the plane exiting on the other side.
NO PLANE went through the building The video is a fake See PROOF below
QuoteNobody in their right mind says they did, if they had then the buildings would disintegrate on impact, not some time after.
A bomber hit the Empire state building It did not collapse... The Towers were designed to withstand SEVERAL airplane hits up to SEVEN according to engineers... NO PLANE hit building 7 and there were only two floors on fire...
QuoteIt's plausible to me, but I don't know if that's exactly what happened.
You also know nothing about structural engineering :P
QuoteThe aeroplanes are supposed to have cut only part of the steel structure at the floors they hit, not the whole building.
Okay THIS point SUPPOSED TO HAVE Here is where the second 'plane' 'entered' the building
Question One: SHOW ME WHERE THE PLANE WENT THROUGH THE BUILDING There are hundreds of photos of this hole from many angles You can see the core WHERE did the plane go? WERE is ANY sign of ANY plane debris?
(http://sliptalk.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/11192233/Mystery10.jpg)
Question Two: HOW IS IT POSSIBLE for Edna Crinton to be standing there waving for help MINUTES after the huge fireball made the steel hot enough to melt and fall down? There are many shots of her and many helicopter videos. She did not make it out (RIP Edna) but there are also other people visible in some of the images, in fact lower image far left one floor up is another person. The fires are almost out at this point too
So explain to me how any plane did this?
Thanks in advance
ETA
NO PLANE :PNot one piece of airplane, not one piece of exploded luggage not one dead body NOTHING (only one miracle passport :P )
Anyone who considers the official story 'plausible' has been programmed successfully :P
LOOK behind Edna CORE is intact no hole to the other side
(http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/taboocentral/EdnaCintron.jpg)
Quote from: ArMaP on May 07, 2015, 11:33:46 PM
I thought any intelligent person would understand what I meant. ::)
There is a video on YT that shows what happens when an aluminum can is shot at a denser target I will find it later
The problem is that we have a huge airliners that supposedly hit a building yet NOT ONE PIECE of personal luggage, cloathing, paper is seen anywhere on the photos before the building went down Same at the pentagon, same at Shanksville
At NO TIME in the history of aircraft crashes has this ever happened that planes VANISH without a trace
Oddly enough each of the three sites they recovered ONE ENGINE and those engines were NOT the correct one Imagine that :P
And NO ONE has yet explained THIS. Jet fuel burned up in the first 10 seconds in a fireball.. office furniture and interior burnables can not heat steel to this degree TRY IT :P I have forged swords... you need coal and a blower and even then the steel cools as soon as you remove it in minutes?
So explain how this stayed red hot actually orange hot for 6 weeks?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7P5GelS50c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7P5GelS50c
THIS is a typical plane crash hitting the ground
(http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/photo/gallery/100512/GAL-10May12-4543/media/PHO-10May12-223802.jpg)
THIS is the plane crash in Shanksville
(http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Components/Slideshows/_production/ss-110819-911dayof/ss-110819-911-20.jpg)
Still "Plausible"? :P
This image shows the pit was already there in 1994 They just added a crater in the center
(http://www.whale.to/b/Shanksville_mine_1994.jpg)
Here is the recover operation just after the crash
(http://www.whale.to/b/Flight_93_Crash_Site.jpg)
Someone also started circulating THIS image as being from Shanksville :P Its all over the blogs Took me a while to find the source The Trees look like Shanksville
(http://www.solidaritywithpoland.info/photos/wreckage1.jpg)
At least THAT one was a real plane crash with debris :P
http://www.solidaritywithpoland.info/photos.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQBlv7sZGVE
Retired Expert Pilot John Lear - No Planes Hit the Towers on 9/11 - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQBlv7sZGVE)
The Holographic Projector
US Military: Weaponization of Space (http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?us_military_general_topic_areas=us_military_weaponizationOfSpace&timeline=us_military_tmln)
Quote from: zorgon on June 16, 2015, 08:21:34 PM
A Volkswagon Beetle travellig at 8o km/hr veers off a road and hits a dump truck doing 50Km/hr... what happens? The VW bounced like a billiard ball and the passengers lived THIS IS REALITY
It's true that I don't know a thing about structural engineering, but I do know that a car can hit a dump truck in many different ways, and different ways of hitting have different results.
QuoteA bomber hit the Empire state building It did not collapse...
Again, different situations have different results.
QuoteThe Towers were designed to withstand SEVERAL airplane hits up to SEVEN according to engineers...
What engineers, the ones creating the Twin Towers or other engineers?
QuoteNO PLANE hit building 7 and there were only two floors on fire...
It doesn't matter, I was not talking about building 7.
QuoteQuestion One: SHOW ME WHERE THE PLANE WENT THROUGH THE BUILDING There are hundreds of photos of this hole from many angles
The hole is where the plane entered the building, the hole didn't exist before, right?
QuoteYou can see the core
Maybe I can, but I don't recognised it as such, as I know nothing about structural engineering. :)
QuoteWHERE did the plane go? WERE is ANY sign of ANY plane debris?
On those photos I wouldn't expect to see any plane debris, as the speed of the plane would make the debris either being thrown back and fall to the ground or enter the building, and those that would enter the building would likely keep on moving for at least some metres, so they wouldn't be visible close to the side from where they entered.
QuoteQuestion Two: HOW IS IT POSSIBLE for Edna Crinton to be standing there waving for help MINUTES after the huge fireball made the steel hot enough to melt and fall down?
It's not possible, obviously, if the steel had melt and fallen down the building wouldn't be standing with her on it, right?
QuoteAnyone who considers the official story 'plausible' has been programmed successfully :P
That depends on what you call "official story", if you are talking about planes hitting the towers, partially destroying the fire protection of the buildings and the towers collapsing after the fires had weakened the towers' structures, yes, I do think that's plausible. If by "official story" you mean the whole story then no, I don't think the whole story is plausible.
QuoteLOOK behind Edna CORE is intact no hole to the other side
Are you sure that's the core? It looks to close to the exterior wall for it to be the core, but I know nothing about structural engineering.
Quote from: zorgon on June 16, 2015, 08:42:43 PM
There is a video on YT that shows what happens when an aluminum can is shot at a denser target I will find it later
Were the towers denser than planes?
I know nothing about structural engineering, but I do know that aluminium can doesn't have the same structural strength of a plane.
QuoteThe problem is that we have a huge airliners that supposedly hit a building yet NOT ONE PIECE of personal luggage, cloathing, paper is seen anywhere on the photos before the building went down Same at the pentagon, same at Shanksville
That may be true, this is not a subject that interests me enough for me to look for those photos.
QuoteAt NO TIME in the history of aircraft crashes has this ever happened that planes VANISH without a trace
I wasn't talking about that.
QuoteAnd NO ONE has yet explained THIS. Jet fuel burned up in the first 10 seconds in a fireball.. office furniture and interior burnables can not heat steel to this degree
What degree?
QuoteI have forged swords... you need coal and a blower and even then the steel cools as soon as you remove it in minutes?
Yes, you need a large furnace, capable of supplying large amounts of oxygen to melt iron, but you don't need to melt iron or steel to make it less resistant.
QuoteSo explain how this stayed red hot actually orange hot for 6 weeks?
I'm not good at chemistry either, what I know is that fire needs oxygen, so for it (whatever "it" may have been) to still be burning it would have need a constant air supply.
Quote from: zorgon on June 16, 2015, 08:46:05 PM
THIS is a typical plane crash hitting the ground
(http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/photo/gallery/100512/GAL-10May12-4543/media/PHO-10May12-223802.jpg)
THIS is the plane crash in Shanksville
(http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Components/Slideshows/_production/ss-110819-911dayof/ss-110819-911-20.jpg)
Still "Plausible"? :P
I wasn't talking about that. ::)
I'm not a structural engineer either...
But those holes in the towers were quite obviously made by bombs, not planes.
I'm with the hologram theory, so absurd the masses would never believe it.
Quote from: Sinny on June 17, 2015, 02:04:23 AM
I'm not a structural engineer either...
But those holes in the towers were quite obviously made by bombs, not planes.
I don't think that's obvious at all.
Are you a demolition expert? How many holes in buildings have you inspected?
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on June 17, 2015, 04:21:30 AM
I don't think that's obvious at all.
Are you a demolition expert? How many holes in buildings have you inspected?
Okay so no bombs no planes :P What made the hole?
::)
WHY is the core still intact behind Edna
WHY is it not hot enough to fry her?
Where is even a small scrap of the hull of the plane?
WHY does no one ever address those questions :P
Quote from: zorgon on June 17, 2015, 05:39:25 AM
WHY does no one ever address those questions :P
It may have been mentioned in this thread already but...
The Pentagon explosion footage released by CNN looks like a charge exploding and not a plane. The fires in the Pentagon also do not look like kerosine fires.
Zorgon, get a copy of this video for the website. ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cFewUG3rSY
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on June 17, 2015, 04:21:30 AM
I don't think that's obvious at all.
Are you a demolition expert? How many holes in buildings have you inspected?
Only a handful admittedly :P
Bombs or no, the holes don't match up with the planes ....
I've been putting shapes through holes since 1 year of age.
Quote from: zorgon on June 17, 2015, 05:39:25 AM
Okay so no bombs no planes :P What made the hole?
Some people saw and heard the planes, are they all lying or wrong?
QuoteWHY is the core still intact behind Edna
Is that really the core?
QuoteWHY is it not hot enough to fry her?
Why should it be? There are no signs of high temperatures near her. ???
QuoteWhere is even a small scrap of the hull of the plane?
I think that any plane debris would be near the opposite side of the tower, not on the side the plane entered the building.
QuoteWHY does no one ever address those questions :P
I don't know if anyone did, but from what I have seen in the last few posts I wouldn't be surprised if someone did but was ignored. :)
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10005/WTC_2nd_plane.jpg)
Regarding Zorgon's 'molten metal':
There are numerous photographs and eyewitness testimonies to the presence of molten metal at the WTC, both in the buildings and in the rubble.
No legitimate explanation has been provided for this evidence other than the exothermic reaction of thermite, which generates the temperatures required and molten iron as a product.
The fires at Ground Zero could not be put out for several months.
Despite the application of millions of gallons of water to the pile, several rainfall events at the site, and the use of a chemical fire suppressant, the fires would not subside. Thermal images made by satellite showed that the temperatures in the pile were far above that expected in the debris from a typical structure fire.
Only thermite, which contains its own oxidant and therefore cannot be extinguished by smothering it, can explain this evidence.
A visualization of how the building was constructed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HOTAUy_mrQ
World Trade Center a 3D Visualization - WTC - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HOTAUy_mrQ)
How Hot Did The Jet Fuel Heat The World Trade Center? (http://911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/guardian2/wtc/how-hot.htm)
Summarizing:
We have assumed that the entire 3,500 gallons of jet fuel was confined to just one floor of the World Trade Center, that the jet fuel burnt with perfect efficiency, that no hot gases left this floor, that no heat escaped this floor by conduction and that the steel and concrete had an unlimited amount of time to absorb all the heat.
Then it is impossible that the jet fuel, by itself, raised the temperature of this floor more than 257° C (495° F).
Now this temperature is nowhere near high enough to even begin explaining the World Trade Center Tower collapse.
It is not even close to the first critical temperature of 600° C (1,100° F) where steel loses about half its strength and it is nowhere near the quotes of 1500° C that we constantly read about in our lying media.
"In the mid-1990s British Steel and the Building Research Establishment performed a series of six experiments at Cardington to investigate the behavior of steel frame buildings. These experiments were conducted in a simulated, eight-story building. Secondary steel beams were not protected. Despite the temperature of the steel beams reaching 800-900° C (1,500-1,700° F) in three of the tests (well above the traditionally assumed critical temperature of 600° C (1,100° F), no collapse was observed in any of the six experiments."
Quote from the FEMA report (Appendix A).
Recalling that the North Tower suffered no major structural damage from the intense office fire of February 23, 1975, we can conclude that the ensuing office fires of September 11, 2001, also did little extra damage to the towers.
Conclusion: The jet fuel fires played almost no role in the collapse of the World Trade Center.
And then there's this:
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10005/911_leaked_pentagon_copy.png)
Quote from: thorfourwinds on June 17, 2015, 06:08:08 PM
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10005/WTC_2nd_plane.jpg)
Regarding Zorgon's 'molten metal':
There are numerous photographs and eyewitness testimonies to the presence of molten metal at the WTC, both in the buildings and in the rubble.
No legitimate explanation has been provided for this evidence other than the exothermic reaction of thermite, which generates the temperatures required and molten iron as a product.
The fires at Ground Zero could not be put out for several months.
Despite the application of millions of gallons of water to the pile, several rainfall events at the site, and the use of a chemical fire suppressant, the fires would not subside. Thermal images made by satellite showed that the temperatures in the pile were far above that expected in the debris from a typical structure fire.
Only thermite, which contains its own oxidant and therefore cannot be extinguished by smothering it, can explain this evidence.
A visualization of how the building was constructed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HOTAUy_mrQ
World Trade Center a 3D Visualization - WTC - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HOTAUy_mrQ)
How Hot Did The Jet Fuel Heat The World Trade Center? (http://911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/guardian2/wtc/how-hot.htm)
Summarizing:
We have assumed that the entire 3,500 gallons of jet fuel was confined to just one floor of the World Trade Center, that the jet fuel burnt with perfect efficiency, that no hot gases left this floor, that no heat escaped this floor by conduction and that the steel and concrete had an unlimited amount of time to absorb all the heat.
Then it is impossible that the jet fuel, by itself, raised the temperature of this floor more than 257° C (495° F).
Now this temperature is nowhere near high enough to even begin explaining the World Trade Center Tower collapse.
It is not even close to the first critical temperature of 600° C (1,100° F) where steel loses about half its strength and it is nowhere near the quotes of 1500° C that we constantly read about in our lying media.
"In the mid-1990s British Steel and the Building Research Establishment performed a series of six experiments at Cardington to investigate the behavior of steel frame buildings. These experiments were conducted in a simulated, eight-story building. Secondary steel beams were not protected. Despite the temperature of the steel beams reaching 800-900° C (1,500-1,700° F) in three of the tests (well above the traditionally assumed critical temperature of 600° C (1,100° F), no collapse was observed in any of the six experiments."
Quote from the FEMA report (Appendix A).
Recalling that the North Tower suffered no major structural damage from the intense office fire of February 23, 1975, we can conclude that the ensuing office fires of September 11, 2001, also did little extra damage to the towers.
Conclusion:
The jet fuel fires played almost no role in the collapse of the World Trade Center.
And then there's this:
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10005/911_leaked_pentagon_copy.png)
After drilling down into the link provided, here are your 'experts'.
Who We Are
9-11 Research is a research consortium consisting of just a few individuals volunteering their time and resources to the effort. The principal contributors to the site are:
•Jim Hoffman, Webmaster and Senior Editor
•Gregg Roberts, Associate Editor
•Jan Hoyer, Outreach Coordinator
Jim Hoffman created the website and wrote the vast majority of its original content. Hoffman has a background in software engineering, mechanical engineering, and scientific visualization. Hoffman also created the Web publishing system used to maintain the 9-11 Research website.
Gregg Roberts has been investigating the September 11 attack since December 2003 and has provided extensive editorial assistance to 911Research. He authored the essay Where Are the 9/11 Whistleblowers?, and is working with Hoffman to produce a book based on the site. Roberts is a technical writer and business analyst with a bachelor's degree in psychology, master's-level study in social work, and earlier education in the "hard" sciences.
Jan Hoyer is a former founding board member and graphic designer for the National 9/11 Visibilty Project, 911Truth.org and the D.C Emergency Truth Convergence. Hoyer has a degree in graphic design and experience in online multimedia.
So we have a 'background' in software, mechanical engineering?....no degrees? Oh I forgot 'scientific visualization'?
Then we have a 'technical writer', business analyst with a bachelor's degree in phychology? Oh yeah one more.....'earlier education in "hard" sciences'???
And last but not least a graphic designer.
These are the 'experts'?... ::)Pretty Pictures though.... ;D
Quote from: ArMaP on June 17, 2015, 03:14:04 PM
Some people saw and heard the planes, are they all lying or wrong?
"Some people" WHO Do you have NAMES? I cannot find any witnesses who are on record that they saw planes.
Yes they are all wrong It is easy to fool people It all happened so fast and few people ever question what they are told. Just look at facebook make a comment. say some scientist said something and everyone accepts it as true... what scientist? doesn't matter... where are the lab reports? who cares... the story sounds good...
Fortunately more and more people are finally starting to look closer and THINK it through... and then it becomes clear that the whole thing was fishy
You can argue all you want, you can dodge around all you want, but that hole was NOT made by any airplane the visual images do not match the tall tale... you don't need to be an engineer or a bomb expert to see that there is no way a plane disappeared into that hole which clearly shows the intact core behind Edna and the gash for the wings is not open enough for the plane to have entered
If you are convinced a plane made that hole, there is nothing that will change your mind... but you have to toss all logic and reason out that window :P
QuoteIs that really the core?
If you look at the construction the building had a core surround by a shell of metal and glass... you open the shell and look to the center.... what ELSE would it be you are looking at? And how did the plane get past that to the other side without leaving scraps behind?
As I said you have to drop all logic and reason to believe your version :P
I do find it fascinating that so many people like yourself so easily will do that because the alternative is just too hard for them to comprehend...
8)
Now I will read the back posts and see if anyone did address my question :P
Quote from: thorfourwinds on June 17, 2015, 06:08:08 PM
Only thermite, which contains its own oxidant and therefore cannot be extinguished by smothering it, can explain this evidence.
Thermite is not the only material that has its own oxidant, matches' heads also have their own oxidant, that's why I used them to make small aluminium foil rockets when I was a kid. :)
(before any bright mind implies it, no, I'm not saying the WTC was full of matches' heads)
QuoteThen it is impossible that the jet fuel, by itself, raised the temperature of this floor more than 257° C (495° F).
Although still below the stated temperature that weakens steel, the final temperature would be higher than the one presented on that site, as they "forgot" that the concrete slabs didn't cover the whole area of any story, as the central core had the elevators' and stairs wells, reducing the amount of concrete that the available energy had to heat to around 78% of the values presented (assuming that the core didn't had any concrete, which is not true, but I didn't find any values for the percentage of the area that was covered by the concrete slabs, I only know that the elevators' and stairs wells couldn't have them), raising the final temperature (according to my calculations) to more than 330º C.
I wonder why they ignore the effect of the impact of the planes on the structure.
Quote from: zorgon on June 17, 2015, 08:13:41 PM
"Some people" WHO Do you have NAMES?
No, but I remember seeing several videos showing people witnessing the event.
QuoteI cannot find any witnesses who are on record that they saw planes.
That doesn't mean they do not exist.
QuoteYes they are all wrong
I will remember that. :P
QuoteIt is easy to fool people It all happened so fast and few people ever question what they are told.
Are you assuming that nobody watched the events happening and only got second hand versions?
QuoteJust look at facebook make a comment. say some scientist said something and everyone accepts it as true... what scientist? doesn't matter... where are the lab reports? who cares... the story sounds good...
True, but only relevant if you assume nobody witnessed the event.
QuoteFortunately more and more people are finally starting to look closer and THINK it through... and then it becomes clear that the whole thing was fishy
Unfortunately, it looks like they are thinking like those facebook users you talked about above, someone tells them something based on "facts" and they believe it because they think it's the right thing to do.
QuoteYou can argue all you want, you can dodge around all you want, but that hole was NOT made by any airplane the visual images do not match the tall tale... you don't need to be an engineer or a bomb expert to see that there is no way a plane disappeared into that hole which clearly shows the intact core behind Edna and the gash for the wings is not open enough for the plane to have entered
What am I dodging? Be clear, please.
And, if you notice, you are the one talking in absolutes, I only said that I thought that the towers collapsing from the damage resulting from the hits and the fires was plausible, I don't know (and do not have any way of really knowing) what really happened.
QuoteIf you are convinced a plane made that hole, there is nothing that will change your mind... but you have to toss all logic and reason out that window :P
I'm not the one convinced of any thing, I said it was plausible.
QuoteIf you look at the construction the building had a core surround by a shell of metal and glass... you open the shell and look to the center.... what ELSE would it be you are looking at?
I thought it could be a wall or something like that (I'm not used to that way of making buildings, I'm only used to common (in Portugal) buildings made from reinforced concrete columns with reinforced concrete floors made in one piece, now that I had time to look at some diagrams of the towers I see that it was open space around the core and that the "core" was just a group of stronger steel pillars close together.
QuoteAnd how did the plane get past that to the other side without leaving scraps behind?
The plane didn't enter the building horizontally, it could have passed above or bellow that part we are seeing, I would need to see more photos to try to get an idea about it.
QuoteAs I said you have to drop all logic and reason to believe your version :P
You can say all you want, it doesn't make it the truth.
QuoteI do find it fascinating that so many people like yourself so easily will do that because the alternative is just too hard for them to comprehend...
What alternative? ???
Quote from: ArMaP on June 17, 2015, 09:45:50 PM
No, but I remember seeing several videos showing people witnessing the event.
I've seen witnesses who looked pretty confused about what they saw hit the Pentagon. I've also had it explained to me many times (especially by abovetopsecret.com members) that untrained witness testimony about flying objects is notoriously unreliable. :)
Quote from: Pimander on June 20, 2015, 05:47:07 PM
I've seen witnesses who looked pretty confused about what they saw hit the Pentagon.
I wasn't talking about the Pentagon. :)
QuoteI've also had it explained to me many times (especially by abovetopsecret.com members) that untrained witness testimony about flying objects is notoriously unreliable. :)
No doubts about it, witnesses' testimonies about any thing are unreliable, but it doesn't mean they are all wrong.
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on June 17, 2015, 06:51:31 PM
These are the 'experts'?... ::)
You can HUFF and you can PUFF... but you haven't explained why Edna was able to stand there in that hole supposedly hot enough to melt core beams
You can STOMP and you can SHOUT in RED INK... but you haven't explained why orange hot steel was dug up 6 Weeks after the collapse
What about THESE guys? They all nuts too?
Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth
http://www.ae911truth.org/about.html
And these guys?
Pilots for 9/11 Truth
http://www.pilotsfor911truth.org/
And these guys?
Scientists for 9/11 Truth
http://www.scientistsfor911truth.org/
Quote from: ArMaP on June 20, 2015, 06:11:02 PM
I wasn't talking about the Pentagon. :)
That is the problem with skeptics :P They always ignore the whole picture :P
9/11 planes/no planes has to look at ALL THREE sites... you cannot ignore one to favor your pet theory :P
QuoteNo doubts about it, witnesses' testimonies about any thing are unreliable, but it doesn't mean they are all wrong.
It can though if things happen fast enough and you have a few shills in the area to say "Hey it was an airplane!" The power of suggestion is a very powerful tool. I have seen a stage full of people walk around clucking like chickens from the mere suggestion of the magician
The human mind easily shuts down when something so horrendous happens that it is beyond their comprehension. They will latch on to any life ring to stop from falling into the abyss
That said this happened in 2001... We will NEVER know the truth, just like we don't really know what happened at Roswell or the Kennedy Assassination
Hell we don't even know which God is a real god or if there really is a god. :P
It is all just what ever you want to believe... and most people once they have made up their mind on which reality to accept... nothing will change their mind
UFO's? Well those are OBVIOUSLY weather balloons clouds blackops airplanes plasma critters inflated garbage bags flocks of birds, orbs, CIA psyops, lens flares, etc Did I forget something? Oh yes Alien Spacecraft buzzing around aimlessly by the hundreds :P
Aliens? 57+ assorted species, channeled GFL angels of the Alien brotherhood that is going to save us all from our folly, interdimensional beings, Lochness monsters Bigfoot and a myriad of Gods Angels Demons and other assorted possibilities
Megaliths.. well nature cannot make right angles so all natural rock formations are made by some ancient race that left no trace of themselves and they obviously had Alien help. Ural mountain megaliths and Bosnian pyramid as prime examples :P
And in ALL THE ABOVE all you need is some glib talked to say "Scientists have studied the DNA of the skulls and prove they are Alien in origin!"
What study? Where was it done? Who are these scientists? Names? Lab name? Can I see the report please? Can I have an independent lab check? No? Ah I see,,,,
But that statement is all it takes to convince thousands of people they they have proof of Aliens
We will be debating this and arguing about it until we have one foot in the grave...
Quote from: zorgon on June 20, 2015, 08:17:33 PM
That is the problem with skeptics :P They always ignore the whole picture :P
That's the problem with believers, they prefer to join all things together so they can change the subject. ::)
I was talking about the plausibility of the towers collapsing just because of being hit by the planes and of the fire, not about the existence or not of planes.
Quote9/11 planes/no planes has to look at ALL THREE sites... you cannot ignore one to favor your pet theory :P
I wasn't talking about the planes being real or not.
QuoteIt can though if things happen fast enough and you have a few shills in the area to say "Hey it was an airplane!" The power of suggestion is a very powerful tool. I have seen a stage full of people walk around clucking like chickens from the mere suggestion of the magician
Then you have to apply that logic to all witnesses, not just to ones that are convenient for your point of view. To me, although unreliable, witnesses accounts are always useful, that's why we should listen to all.
PS: when I'm solving some problem, one of the ways I use to do it is to try to split it into smaller problems and try to solve one at a time, following a specific order or not, according to the way they were separated into individual problems. In this case I do the same by separating the different plane hits into independent problems and try to solve each one. If they are too complex (they are), then I try to separate them into smaller problems and see if I can solve those or at least some of those. If there are problems that appear to have a solution then I look into how that solution affects the other problems, as if the solution makes the bigger problem impossible then it's not really a solution, even if it looks like one for a specific smaller problem.
PPS: the above explains why I like to split my answers in specific points, while most people like to bunch everything together. :)
Quote from: ArMaP on June 17, 2015, 09:45:50 PM
No, but I remember seeing several videos showing people witnessing the event.
AH! So people had their cameras ready before the planes hit so they could record the event? Can you point me to one of these videos that isn't one of the faked media ones? :P
QuoteThat doesn't mean they do not exist.
They say Aliens exist too but it would help convince me if you could produce ONE :P
QuoteAre you assuming that nobody watched the events happening and only got second hand versions?
No I am saying no one watched the events until the explosion happened :P Are you telling me people were expecting something and just sat there waiting? Sure you here an explosion it will get your attention :D
You will say "ZOMG!! WTF happened? and some one will say "An airplane just hit the building" and from then on you will remember seeing an airplane :P Add to that the media fakery and a week after the event the mind set becomes an actual memory
I was in a car driving to a job site when it happened One of the early reports that came out said the Shanksville plane was SHOT DOWN... Rumsfeld is caught on video saying it was SHOT DOWN...
So what happened to THAT part of the story? Well it changed to some heros wrestling the box cutter wielding terrorist and then the plane crashed
Look if your happy believing some Islamic terrorists with basic flying skills pulled this off and where found to still be alive later... then be my guest. It won't change anything anyway.
Even if Bush got up on the podium and says "Yeah we did 9/11. so what?" What are you going to do about it?
Yeah that is what I though... nothing :P And THEY know it :D
It would sound something like THIS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_A77N5WKWM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_A77N5WKWM
Quote from: zorgon on June 20, 2015, 08:00:18 PM
You can HUFF and you can PUFF... but you haven't explained why Edna was able to stand there in that hole supposedly hot enough to melt core beams
Who said that the hole was that hot? You keep saying that but I haven't seen any reference to an official (or otherwise) explanation saying that.
Quote from: zorgon on June 20, 2015, 08:33:10 PM
AH! So people had their cameras ready before the planes hit so they could record the event? Can you point me to one of these videos that isn't one of the faked media ones? :P
I noticed now that I didn't write the sentence to which you are responding as I thought I did, what I meant was that t I remember seeing several videos showing people that witnessed the event.
QuoteThey say Aliens exist too but it would help convince me if you could produce ONE :P
I am also waiting for that, but I don't say they do not exist just because I don't have any proof that they exist.
QuoteNo I am saying no one watched the events until the explosion happened :P
The explosion of the first plane? What about the second? Weren't there many people watching then?
QuoteAre you telling me people were expecting something and just sat there waiting?
No.
QuoteYou will say "ZOMG!! WTF happened? and some one will say "An airplane just hit the building" and from then on you will remember seeing an airplane :P Add to that the media fakery and a week after the event the mind set becomes an actual memory
I remember some years ago most people didn't remember what year it happened. ::)
QuoteI was in a car driving to a job site when it happened One of the early reports that came out said the Shanksville plane was SHOT DOWN... Rumsfeld is caught on video saying it was SHOT DOWN...
I don't know, I was never too interested in this case to investigate, the first thing I noticed was that it looked like there was too much interests against each other, so it's likely that a large percentage of what we can find has been made to look like that to make people reach the conclusion they (whoever "they" may be) want.
QuoteLook if your happy believing some Islamic terrorists with basic flying skills pulled this off and where found to still be alive later... then be my guest. It won't change anything anyway.
I never said that, did I?
That's why I don't like when people put everything together as if it was just one indivisible event. What I said was that I think that it was likely that the towers fell because of being hit by the planes and the because of the fires, regardless of who was flying the planes.
Quote from: ArMaP on June 20, 2015, 08:43:50 PM
I am also waiting for that, but I don't say they do not exist just because I don't have any proof that they exist.
The question is not whether they exist or not... but are they visiting Earth by the hundreds (according to UFO reports and abduction stories :P ) and managing all these years never getting caught once.. despite now everyone having cameras :D
All we get is blurs and hoaxes not ONE shred of hard core proof... These aliens crash ships here but are so efficient at hiding we never see one... and the government can't manage a budget yet they can keep the Aliens 100% secret
QuoteThe explosion of the first plane? What about the second? Weren't there many people watching then?
I don't know... how many were watching? How many were running around like Chicken Little in shock? Find me one reliable witness first then we can talk about how many there were :D
QuoteI remember some years ago most people didn't remember what year it happened. ::)
Precisely memories of events are easily manipulated. A new investigation is far too late They got rid of any evidence by now, like they dumped the ashes into the ocean real quick.
What about all the gold that was missing? Odd how they moved that out before.
QuoteWhat I said was that I think that it was likely that the towers fell because of being hit by the planes and the because of the fires, regardless of who was flying the planes.
yes that is the official story that the structural damage was enough with the fires... never mind that it makes no sense especially in the one where the plane hit at an agle not toughing the core
NO BUILDING in history has ever collapsed from fire. NO BUILDING since has collapsed from fire The Empire state building was hit by a bomber It did not fall NO PLANE hit WTC7
Yes you do need to look at the whole picture You have two planes and three buildings fell The fire in WTC7 was only on two floors
(https://more911.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/fires.jpg)
(https://kendoc911.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/wtc7comparisons.jpg)
So you want to tell me how THIS fire collapsed a building? I am all ears :P
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/nasathermalimages/public/images/_dj/Street_W_Broadway/070.JPG)
That's how I work when I'm going in depth on a study.
Quote from: ArMaP on June 20, 2015, 08:31:30 PM
PPS: the above explains why I like to split my answers in specific points, while most people like to bunch everything together. :)
I prefer it when we do that on forums as it allows us to be clear what we are responding to.
Quote from: zorgon on June 20, 2015, 09:29:07 PM
The question is not whether they exist or not... but are they visiting Earth by the hundreds (according to UFO reports and abduction stories :P ) and managing all these years never getting caught once.. despite now everyone having cameras :D
Off topic but..... That is why I think it is likely that the abduction phenomenon is not physical abduction by flesh and blood aliens. There would be physical evidence every time and I have seen none.
Quote from: zorgon on June 20, 2015, 09:29:07 PM
I don't know... how many were watching? How many were running around like Chicken Little in shock? Find me one reliable witness first then we can talk about how many there were :D
Do you think that nobody was looking at the towers after the first hit?
Finding those people may be difficult.
QuoteNO BUILDING in history has ever collapsed from fire. NO BUILDING since has collapsed from fire
Why do you ignore the being hit by a 82,380 kg airplane at more than 400 mph and talk only about the fire?
QuoteThe Empire state building was hit by a bomber It did not fall
That plane was much smaller and didn't reach the same speeds.
QuoteNO PLANE hit WTC7
That's why I'm not talking about it. :)
QuoteYes you do need to look at the whole picture
No, I don't, it's easier to divide a problem in smaller problems and solve them one by one, if you do not you get to solutions like "aliens did it", basically finding a "deus ex machina" to solve the problem.
QuoteYou have two planes and three buildings fell The fire in WTC7 was only on two floors
Each building is a case, I'm not looking at the WTC7 case.
QuoteSo you want to tell me how THIS fire collapsed a building? I am all ears :P
Apparently not, you keep on ignoring the energy of the planes hitting the buildings. ::)
Quote from: ArMaP on June 21, 2015, 12:59:54 AM
Do you think that nobody was looking at the towers after the first hit?
Probably very few or there would be a lot of cell phone videos of that second plane :D
QuoteFinding those people may be difficult.
Why> Didn't someone take their statements and names for an investigation?
QuoteWhy do you ignore the being hit by a 82,380 kg airplane at more than 400 mph and talk only about the fire?
Ummm building 7 was NOT HIT BY ANY AIRPLANE It was only fire... There were only 2 supposed "82,380 kg airplane at more than 400 mph" Why do you keep ignoring that point? :P
And for the big towers even a hit by a 82,380 kg airplane at more than 400 mph would not explain the building turning to dust and falling perfectly like a demolition job. In fact since the plane hit it on one side , the top would have fallen sideways... like cutting a tree on only one side
You cannot keep ignoring the laws of physics to meet you requirements :P
QuoteNo, I don't, it's easier to divide a problem in smaller problems and solve them one by one,
Okay so solve the ONE problem then WHY did building 7 fall with only two small fires on two floors?
QuoteEach building is a case, I'm not looking at the WTC7 case.
That is a typical skeptic ploy... ignore the one that doesn't fit the official story :P
QuoteApparently not, you keep on ignoring the energy of the planes hitting the buildings. ::)
What planes? Holograms have no mass therefor they have no energy
Quote from: Pimander on June 20, 2015, 10:18:41 PM
I prefer it when we do that on forums as it allows us to be clear what we are responding to.
Does it? To me it seems it makes it easier to avid tricky questions :P
As ArMaP said "Each building is a case, I'm not looking at the WTC7 case."
::)
Besides.. Connecting the puzzle pieces to see the whole picture is what got Pegasus (and me) all the attention
Quote from: zorgon on June 21, 2015, 11:16:32 AM
Does it? To me it seems it makes it easier to avid tricky questions :P
It also makes it easy to spot which parts of your post ArMaP does not want to discuss. ;)
Quote
Besides.. Connecting the puzzle pieces to see the whole picture is what got Pegasus (and me) all the attention
I'm not saying don't join the dots. But making sure the dots are dots before you join them is part of the process for me.
I agree that building 7 is the most obvious hole in the official story. It should still be there and it isn't.
The way the buildings collapsed like a controlled demolition is also obvious to me. The centre of the twin towers had a steel core and is the line of most resistance to collapse, unless the core has been melted by temperatures similar to a thermite reaction.
http://www.purdue.edu/uns/x/2007a/070612HoffmannWTC.html
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on June 21, 2015, 03:18:50 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cddIgb1nGJ8
So how does that explain the controlled demolition style collapse?
Witnesses who saw the second plane do not think it was a commercial airliner!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsmc_rS2jOo
Quote from: zorgon on June 21, 2015, 11:14:26 AM
Probably very few or there would be a lot of cell phone videos of that second plane :D
How many phones with a video camera existed in 2001?
QuoteWhy> Didn't someone take their statements and names for an investigation?
I don't know, the only thing I know is that I didn't take their statements and names. :)
QuoteUmmm building 7 was NOT HIT BY ANY AIRPLANE It was only fire... There were only 2 supposed "82,380 kg airplane at more than 400 mph" Why do you keep ignoring that point? :P
This is why I haven't followed this case more closely, it's like talking to a wall. ::)
I was not talking about building 7, I was talking about the plausibility of the two towers collapsing as a result of being hit by the planes and of the fire.
QuoteAnd for the big towers even a hit by a 82,380 kg airplane at more than 400 mph would not explain the building turning to dust and falling perfectly like a demolition job. In fact since the plane hit it on one side , the top would have fallen sideways... like cutting a tree on only one side
The way I see it (that may be completely wrong, but it's the way
I see it, I'm not parroting someone else's opinion), the hits, although not strong enough to destroy the towers, were strong enough to weaken the structure, that was further weakened by the fire(s) that followed it. The weakened structure lasted as long as it had enough resistance to support the weight above the area that was weakened, when the resistance was lower than the weight above it it collapsed.
Was the energy of the hits and fires enough for that? I don't know.
QuoteYou cannot keep ignoring the laws of physics to meet you requirements :P
What laws of physics am I ignoring? Stop the innuendos and be specific, please.
QuoteOkay so solve the ONE problem then WHY did building 7 fall with only two small fires on two floors?
Because it was heavier than air. ;D
Seriously, I don't know, the official explanation that it was more affected by the fallen debris from the towers than initially supposed doesn't convince me.
QuoteThat is a typical skeptic ploy... ignore the one that doesn't fit the official story :P
No, it was what I was talking about, look above. :)
QuoteWhat planes? Holograms have no mass therefor they have no energy
True, but holograms don't work like that, something that the proponents of the hologram theory like to ignore. Most don't even know what's a hologram.
Quote from: zorgon on June 21, 2015, 11:16:32 AM
Does it? To me it seems it makes it easier to avid tricky questions :P
No, it's a common problem-solving technique. Also, it helps to explain hoaxes like the ones created by Sorcha Faal, when they join two or three true stories and create a fake one, so those that look at the whole picture are easily fooled, while those that look at each component find where the story fails.
QuoteBesides.. Connecting the puzzle pieces to see the whole picture is what got Pegasus (and me) all the attention
That's why I start by identifying the different pieces and look at each one on their own merits first. :)
Quote from: ArMaP on June 21, 2015, 07:52:11 PM
How many phones with a video camera existed in 2001?
Probably none :P Which was convenient for the perps :D
QuoteI don't know, the only thing I know is that I didn't take their statements and names. :)
I wouldn't expect that you had... but surely SOMEONE did? And those should be readily available? Well they are not Many have tried to find them.
That is why this is a conspiracy that will not die... you cannot find the evidence
QuoteThis is why I haven't followed this case more closely, it's like talking to a wall. ::)
Well only because you wear blinders that have tunnel vision :P
QuoteI was not talking about building 7,
I KNOW but you cannot ignore building 7 in the over all plot If even just that one building was brought down by nefarious means it means the whole official story is bullocks
QuoteI was talking about the plausibility of the two towers collapsing as a result of being hit by the planes and of the fire.
Well I say it is NOT plausible so do many engineeers. Jet fuel is not hot enough to make steel beams soft in 7.6 seconds (the duration of the fireball as ALL the jet fuel explodes.
I say it is NOT plausible that the subsequent office fires were hot enough to soften steel core beams and I offered proof in the form of Edna Crinton who can stand in that opening MINUTES after the errr 'plane' made that hole and it is obvioulsy no longer hot... unless she is Wonder Woman and immune to heat. Last time I checked steel takes a lot more heat to get soft than human flesh :P
QuoteThe way I see it (that may be completely wrong, but it's the way I see it, I'm not parroting someone else's opinion), the hits, although not strong enough to destroy the towers, were strong enough to weaken the structure, that was further weakened by the fire(s) that followed it. The weakened structure lasted as long as it had enough resistance to support the weight above the area that was weakened, when the resistance was lower than the weight above it it collapsed.
Why don't you take a piece of rebar and put it in a gasoline and wood fire and see how long it takes to get 'soft' Then extrapolate that to the time the fire burned enough to soften huge core beams :P Having used a forge to make swords I know how long it takes :P YOU need to do the test... otherwise your opinion is based on assumptions, not facts
QuoteWas the energy of the hits and fires enough for that? I don't know.
No it wasn't :P Now you know And if you were really wanting to be sure, you would try to heat up a steel beam :D (without a blower forge or acetylene torch :P )
QuoteWhat laws of physics am I ignoring?
Temperature and length of time jet fuel burned
Tensile strength of steel beams
Melting point of large steel beams
The fact that the steel beams vaporized instead of falling in a tangled mess of metal (like in any other building collapse EVER
Because it was heavier than air. ;D
QuoteSeriously, I don't know, the official explanation that it was more affected by the fallen debris from the towers than initially supposed doesn't convince me.
Well you can see VISUALLY in the photos minutes befoer the collapse of #7 that theere is no damage save a few window out and two relatively small fires (one conveniently in the office that held the ENRON records :P )
You don't believe your eyes?
LOL Oh well no point continuing this... it's been 14 years... We will never get the truth in our lifetime and politicians are erasing their hard drives these days so they don't get caught like Tricky Dicky did
QuoteTrue, but holograms don't work like that, something that the proponents of the hologram theory like to ignore. Most don't even know what's a hologram.
Personally I don't think there was a hologram... Looking in detail at the news footage it is obvious that the film was doctored... especially the one that shows the nose of the plane coming out the other side... Really? How did that plane smash trough the steel beams intact with an aluminum nose? I can do better Fairy Tales :P
The Official story is like a religion :P You need to ignore reality to believe in that deity
Quote from: ArMaP on June 21, 2015, 07:56:11 PM
That's why I start by identifying the different pieces and look at each one on their own merits first. :)
I will grant you that BUT for that to be valid you have to look at ALL the pieces (Pentagon lawn, Shanksville, Building 7) If you cherry pick only the pieces that fit your believe and ignore the rest, then your analysis is just as bad as a Sorch Faal work
Quote from: Pimander on June 21, 2015, 05:48:41 PM
So how does that explain the controlled demolition style collapse?
Witnesses who saw the second plane do not think it was a commercial airliner!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsmc_rS2jOo
I don't know and neither do you. You're guessing. I am not. And don't throw out that 'bomber hit the Empire State bldg. two totally different things!
Quote from: zorgon on June 21, 2015, 08:18:06 PM
Well only because you wear blinders that have tunnel vision :P
No, because the people talking about this talk as if they are discussing religion or soccer, each one appears to have their own pet version and ignore any thing that looks like it doesn't follow it.
QuoteI KNOW but you cannot ignore building 7 in the over all plot If even just that one building was brought down by nefarious means it means the whole official story is bullocks
I'm not ignoring building 7, I'm looking at things one at a time, as I said I haven't look into this much, so I am starting from the beginning.
QuoteWell I say it is NOT plausible so do many engineeers.
I don't care what other people find plausible or not when I am writing my opinion. :)
QuoteJet fuel is not hot enough to make steel beams soft in 7.6 seconds (the duration of the fireball as ALL the jet fuel explodes.
In 7.6 seconds, I agree, but is there proof that all the jet fuel exploded on impact?
QuoteI say it is NOT plausible that the subsequent office fires were hot enough to soften steel core beams and I offered proof in the form of Edna Crinton who can stand in that opening MINUTES after the errr 'plane' made that hole and it is obvioulsy no longer hot... unless she is Wonder Woman and immune to heat. Last time I checked steel takes a lot more heat to get soft than human flesh :P
See, this is one of those situations I think you are just "following script" instead of thinking :P and what I think you should apply some of that "split into smaller problems" thinking.
What was the main support of the weight of the buildings, wasn't it the so called "core"? If it was, what's the importance of the outside "shell" of the building not being hot? She was some 17 (if I remember it right) metres away from the closest part of the "core", so it could be hot near the "core" and cold enough near the "shell" for her to be there.
QuoteWhy don't you take a piece of rebar and put it in a gasoline and wood fire and see how long it takes to get 'soft'
I don't think it needs to get "soft" to lose some of its resistance to bending. And I don't have the conditions for that experiment, if I had I would do it. :)
QuoteThen extrapolate that to the time the fire burned enough to soften huge core beams :P Having used a forge to make swords I know how long it takes :P YOU need to do the test... otherwise your opinion is based on assumptions, not facts
Yes, assumptions are the only thing I can present, (like most people) as:
a) I wasn't there;
b) I'm not a structural engineer;
c) I haven't seen any data related to that anywhere;
but, as I said, I don't think the steel needs to be as soft as iron on a forge to partially lose its strength.
QuoteNo it wasn't :P Now you know
Now I know that you wrote it, I don't really know if it was or not. :)
QuoteAnd if you were really wanting to be sure, you would try to heat up a steel beam :D (without a blower forge or acetylene torch :P )
Too bad I don't have the means for doing it, I like to do those experiments, I am doing experiments with rocks at the moment, because of those blocks at Tiwanaku. :)
QuoteTemperature and length of time jet fuel burned
Tensile strength of steel beams
Melting point of large steel beams
None of those is a law of physics.
QuoteThe fact that the steel beams vaporized instead of falling in a tangled mess of metal (like in any other building collapse EVER
Do you really have any evidence that they "vaporized", or are you assuming?
Either way, that's not a law of physics either.
QuoteWell you can see VISUALLY in the photos minutes befoer the collapse of #7 that theere is no damage save a few window out and two relatively small fires (one conveniently in the office that held the ENRON records :P )
I just looked at some videos (yes, sometimes I do watch videos, if I think it's worth my time ;) ), and it looks like the fire was not that small, but it didn't look big enough to provoke the collapse of the building.
QuoteYou don't believe your eyes?
I do, I am using them to read what you wrote. :)
But I also know that, without real knowledge of something (in this case, mostly of how a fire progresses inside a building like that and how it affects the building's structural strength) vision may not be enough, that's why we assume things. :)
QuoteLOL Oh well no point continuing this... it's been 14 years... We will never get the truth in our lifetime and politicians are erasing their hard drives these days so they don't get caught like Tricky Dicky did
That's, unfortunately, true.
QuotePersonally I don't think there was a hologram... Looking in detail at the news footage it is obvious that the film was doctored... especially the one that shows the nose of the plane coming out the other side... Really? How did that plane smash trough the steel beams intact with an aluminum nose? I can do better Fairy Tales :P
Can you point me to that video? Thanks in advance. :)
QuoteThe Official story is like a religion :P You need to ignore reality to believe in that deity
As in most cases, both sides act like a religion, as if things can only be one way or the other, with no possibility of nuances.
Quote from: zorgon on June 21, 2015, 08:20:38 PM
I will grant you that BUT for that to be valid you have to look at ALL the pieces (Pentagon lawn, Shanksville, Building 7) If you cherry pick only the pieces that fit your believe and ignore the rest, then your analysis is just as bad as a Sorch Faal work
I'm not cherry picking, I have to start somewhere. :)
PS: something that came to my mind now, have you ever thought about the possibility that what happened was more than one event but that they were presented as one?
Quote from: ArMaP on June 21, 2015, 10:16:19 PM
I'm not cherry picking, I have to start somewhere. :)
PS: something that came to my mind now, have you ever thought about the possibility that what happened was more than one event but that they were presented as one?
You mean more than one objective and they used the "No Crisis Should Go to Waste" to make it a plot to fit an agenda? Quite possible. But this would not change the fact they lied and used it as advantage to make even a war. (not mentioning about the sensitive data building 7 could be "holding" and who would make money if the other two towers went down.)
Which one of the pentagon's section the "plane" destroyed? Was that "holding" documents too?
Quote from: zorgon on June 21, 2015, 08:18:06 PM
Probably none :P Which was convenient for the perps :D
I wouldn't expect that you had... but surely SOMEONE did? And those should be readily available? Well they are not Many have tried to find them.
That is why this is a conspiracy that will not die... you cannot find the evidence
Well only because you wear blinders that have tunnel vision :P
I KNOW but you cannot ignore building 7 in the over all plot If even just that one building was brought down by nefarious means it means the whole official story is bullocks
Well I say it is NOT plausible so do many engineeers. Jet fuel is not hot enough to make steel beams soft in 7.6 seconds (the duration of the fireball as ALL the jet fuel explodes.
I say it is NOT plausible that the subsequent office fires were hot enough to soften steel core beams and I offered proof in the form of Edna Crinton who can stand in that opening MINUTES after the errr 'plane' made that hole and it is obvioulsy no longer hot... unless she is Wonder Woman and immune to heat. Last time I checked steel takes a lot more heat to get soft than human flesh :P
Why don't you take a piece of rebar and put it in a gasoline and wood fire and see how long it takes to get 'soft' Then extrapolate that to the time the fire burned enough to soften huge core beams :P Having used a forge to make swords I know how long it takes :P YOU need to do the test... otherwise your opinion is based on assumptions, not facts
No it wasn't :P Now you know And if you were really wanting to be sure, you would try to heat up a steel beam :D (without a blower forge or acetylene torch :P )
Temperature and length of time jet fuel burned
Tensile strength of steel beams
Melting point of large steel beams
The fact that the steel beams vaporized instead of falling in a tangled mess of metal (like in any other building collapse EVER
Because it was heavier than air. ;D
Well you can see VISUALLY in the photos minutes befoer the collapse of #7 that theere is no damage save a few window out and two relatively small fires (one conveniently in the office that held the ENRON records :P )
You don't believe your eyes?
LOL Oh well no point continuing this... it's been 14 years... We will never get the truth in our lifetime and politicians are erasing their hard drives these days so they don't get caught like Tricky Dicky did
Personally I don't think there was a hologram... Looking in detail at the news footage it is obvious that the film was doctored... especially the one that shows the nose of the plane coming out the other side... Really? How did that plane smash trough the steel beams intact with an aluminum nose? I can do better Fairy Tales :P
The Official story is like a religion :P You need to ignore reality to believe in that deity
Yes the 2nd plane with the nose coming out the other side of the tower.. That needs explaining.
So what's more likely, plane holograms or or CGI?
Surely the CGI person wouldnt have cocked up with the above scenario? Or would they?
Hi Sinny,
I can see this is a thread you started that refers to your UFO sightings I think from your earlier days...that I had not come across or got around to looking at that I can recall.
I will try to read your initial story, but I can see its now a large thread and would take some time to go thru.
Your Title also refers to Holographic planes and you refer to the 2nd plane nose coming out of the 2nd tower on 9/11.
Is there a picture of it on this thread ?
I would like to see it if I am unable to come across it on a quick search.
It seems quite a few of photos posted at least in the early parts of the thread have disappeared and show a picture of Cat in place of them .
QuoteYes the 2nd plane with the nose coming out the other side of the tower.. That needs explaining.
So what's more likely, plane holograms or or CGI?
Surely the CGI person wouldnt have cocked up with the above scenario? Or would they?
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on April 30, 2015, 02:20:28 PM
don't have time to reply to this...at work...have to look for the posts and the de-bunking... ::) ;D ;)
If i can't find it, I'll say I'm sorry....nevermind :'( ::)
If that video of the plane wing behind a building has been debunked can you let me know.. I'm having a 911 debate elsewhere :)
Quote from: astr0144 on October 01, 2015, 06:40:24 PM
Hi Sinny,
I can see this is a thread you started that refers to your UFO sightings I think from your earlier days...that I had not come across or got around to looking at that I can recall.
I will try to read your initial story, but I can see its now a large thread and would take some time to go thru.
Your Title also refers to Holographic planes and you refer to the 2nd plane nose coming out of the 2nd tower on 9/11.
Is there a picture of it on this thread ?
I would like to see it if I am unable to come across it on a quick search..
Hey Astro. Are you sure you haven't participated in this thread? It's been around for a while lol.
Me and Duem have managed to ruin half the thread between us and our photo storage, or lack of haha.
The 2nd 911 plane can been seen exiting the building in all 911 videos I have seen, you will need to revisit one :) In the mean time I'll try and link one for you.
That was a very quick reply... :o
I had felt that Id only posted it a minute or so ago and you had made two replies. having said that my computer and I am slow :)
so that would explain.
I may have made a comment somewhere in the thread, but I dont recall seeing the start with your main UFO story number 1 post.
I had never noticed or recalled seeing it seem to show on the other side of the building on a video....but may recall seeing an opening on the other side of the building..with flames and smoke coming out.
I thought that if there was now a conspiracy about it coming out the otherside of the building.. that there would have been specific images of it..and it would be all over the net.
I recall John Lear claiming it was a Holograpthic projection...
and I am interested in the possibilities behind this ! as well as it being used for other things like UFOs
QuoteThe 2nd 911 plane can been seen exiting the building in all 911 videos I have seen, you will need to revisit one :) In the mean time I'll try and link one for you.
Quote from: Pimander on April 28, 2015, 03:19:39 PM
"The Nine", "Ashtar", "Galactic Federation of Light" are in my opinion the result of a social engineering project/experiment in the USA which created much of the New Age mythos.
Off topic on 911. But in future I'd like to explore the cross over between discarnate entities and these psy-ops.
On a quick search. the best image that I can see is this that suggests that the planes nose comes out the other side of the building.
but I am not sure I am fully convinced.. as it could just be another explosion.
I looked at a video posted by Sarg above on this page..at about the 2 min mark.
I am not sure which building it was, but it shows a plane hit one of the buildings that appears to be more or less in the more central part of the hit side of the building... then we see smoke appear very quickly on the right side of the building..and you see debris seem to come out the other side... but it may just be from an explosion as the plane hits if it was detonated on impact.
it happens so quick its hard to tell as smoke covers things up so fast
(http://webfairy.org/fcs/Nose-Out.jpg)
The images below show or suggest that Building two was hit first.
and the lower image shows a view from above and you can see how the plane hit that face... the plane did not hit in the centre. like in building one.
Building 2 was the right hand side of its centre.. and not square on.. but it appears to have hit it at an angle.
On the View looking from above...I wonder if the planes wingspan is to scale in ref to the width of the building..?
so that may explain the debris appearing so quickly to the other right side around its corner ,shown on the video that I refer to .
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d7/World_Trade_Center_9-11_Att.png)
On the View looking from above...I wonder if the planes wingspan is to scale in ref to the width of the building..?
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d5/World_Trade_Center_9-11_Attacks_Illustration_with_Bird's-eye_Impact_Locations.svg/2000px-World_Trade_Center_9-11_Attacks_Illustration_with_Bird's-eye_Impact_Locations.svg.png)
This is an image that I seem to recall as being the 1st time that I remember seeing the 1st plane crash...so I assume this was into building two. I cannot see any smoke from the building behind when this image was taken.
Depending upon what angle or direction photos were taken from it can be hard to try to determine which building are which when looking at various photos.
but this image seems to show the building being hit to its left side rather than its right like the over view drawing suggested.
I can get a bit complex trying to check all the facts and one may have to check the various drawings etc if they are correct.
(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQX2_o-e3jFYCo3BS4g-nlf3WBXd0IyiswnuyHXze3-ct8s_yPzjQ)
but maybe not. and it did hit slightly to the right hand side of the centre of building two ...Added after comments made above !
(http://www.prisonplanet.com/Videoimpactmontagelarge.jpg)
I was wrong in my earlier post...
Building TWO was hit 2nd....at 9.02 am
but I think it collapsed first... after 56 mins at 9.58 hrs
and Building ONE was hit at 8.46 am...and collapsed after 102 mins.... after 10 am at about 10.28 hrs
I Think Building two was the SOUTH Tower..
I am now NOT sure which tower my later pictures refers to ?
and what direction the photo was taken or looking towards...
QuoteThe images below show or suggest that Building two was hit first.
I have now had a quick browse through your thread Sinny.
and have some idea of your UFO sightings.
Very Interesting if so many have been witnessed as you describe by yourself and others.
I had not been aware of so many or read about them in the Birmingham area.
I think you seem very lucky to have been able to see so many varied sightings Esp being within a main City in the UK.
It certainly makes life interesting in wondering what these things were !
Although being in a main central city location ..there is a LOT of air traffic that fly over the midlands. not just from Birmingham airport.
You may also get some small light aircraft that fly lower than normal as well as helicopters or other small craft / flying objects.
I cant recall or didn't note all the details and the missing images were unfortunate and did not help.
But I later see that Saunder and Dueme had done some image analysis for you.
I am not clear if they were of your actual photos or from similar ones maybe also taken in Birmingham..But some did look very interesting especially the triangle ones.
Was any of those from your photos ?
Also has your opinions changed in any way...as to what you thought your sightings were ?
Do you see some of Unidentified still...or do you think you maybe now have other evidence that may explain many of them ?
I assume you do not think of them as being ET craft ! but as either manmade ones or possible holographic projections or things like chinese Lanterns.
I know that I only became familiar with Chinese Lanterns in what seems a few years ago .. then they seem to have become so well known... but prior to that when they were less known about..
I would think many of these would account for many unexplained sightings at the time.
Also another main thing that I think could account for sightings are Blimps and Balloons.
I remember one day seeing hundreds of what seemed like small silver glittering objects very high up moving quite fast in the sky er. that appeared one after another for 5 to 10 mins or more.
I was able to look at them thru binoculars and I could see they were released balloons from some event that had took place nearby....BUT it was amazing to see how high they had gone in a relatively short time... and just how many of them there were at such high altitudes..
some even seemed as if they were combined with 2 or 3 together and were rotating around each other. and catching the sun light.
I had and have never seen anything quite like it before or since.
but at least I was able to explain what it had been.
The thread has then took quite a turn in discussing the 9/11 events . but still with possible explanation that the planes were Holographic projections.
Sorry Astro, I got distracted mid flow then.
The still picture that you have which professes to be the plane nose exiting the building is a true representation of the live footage.
The 'plane' appears to enter and exit.
This defies the laws of physics as we know them.
I'll respond to the rest shortly :)
Here's my pet version. like it or not.
The planes were twilight quasi orb projections that because they can project quasi material, it becomes real even though it's not in the sense how the human believes physical laws are to work. Humans don't know sheet as to whats happening around them. Well, some do, but the TV makes the others epic fail in knowing anything other than what the TV tells them.
The two planes that hit the towers should have folded up and dropped the tail and the wings should have folded and fell away and not slice through concrete and metal. The device hitting the pentagoon was not a commercial jet but rather a bunker missile. I saw the pics right after it happened and they showed a small turbine laying inside the inner ring that could have only come from a very small jet engine.
That's how I know it. Your pet version may vary since reality has a habit of changing itself per observer.
What was certainly interesting in the Various Building Images that Zorgon Posted that had been on Fire in the past, in various places around the World..... and ALL of them appeared to have remained standing..
Yet the Twin Towers both collapsed...and much of it seemed to have disintegrated. and I think would have been one of the best advanced safer building designs around ...better than the egs "Z" posted.
Did an aluminium/alloy material made Plane crash through the WTC buildings ..assumed to be specially designed composite reinforced steel structured Concrete outer shell ...and then break through the inner steel girder supports...
At a speed of 400 MPH....
What would normally happen if a Plane hit a similar concrete structure at such speeds.
Then How quickly could Jet Fuel melt the steel in the structure.
Unlikely quick enough to melt or damage the steel to allow the plane to break through to the other side..
Not to mention the damage to the actual plane..
The Planes have cylinder tube like body, that would at least buckle or bend even if it was to remain in some sort of tact... and I think the wings would have sheared off as it impacted through or into the concrete at such an impact..
Although a cylinder , if hits straight head on , like a missile can remain in tact , as it can be quite a strong structure ..
if a cylinder was hit from the side of the tube cylinder...it would collapse in.
if it hits as a glancing blow.. we may see the cylinder buckle more.
then I am not sure how the burning fuel would effect it. but It would probably melt the Aluminium shell of the plane much quicker than the steel structure in the building.
Where would most of fuel leak from, may be another question to consider... would it have been within the wings or engines or where ever the fuel tanks were based on the aircraft which may be more than one and in different places on the aircraft.
what part of the plane carries most of the fuel at impact.
Could the high Momentum of the fast moving plane help it break through the building ?
I would doubt it... Would its nose break through a Building as wide as it was, with so much material both in steel and concrete to get through.
And yes would the plane hit and break up at impact and fall to the outside of the building rather than remain within it..
It would be interesting to see someone do another test on a plane into a similar structure to see what would happened.
I would think that they could do relevant tests to prove it, even on much lesser weaker , cheaper just part sample structure designs !
Quote from: Sinny on October 01, 2015, 10:31:41 PM
The 'plane' appears to enter and exit.
This defies the laws of physics as we know them.
How? ???
Quote from: astr0144 on October 01, 2015, 11:11:15 PM
Did an aluminium/alloy material made Plane crash through the WTC buildings ..assumed to be specially designed composite reinforced steel structured Concrete outer shell ...and then break through the inner steel girder supports...
The outer shell was concrete? ???
QuoteThen How quickly could Jet Fuel melt the steel in the structure.
There's no need to melt the steel for it to lose part of its strength, and it will expand and bend.
QuoteCould the high Momentum of the fast moving plane help it break through the building ?
I think so, I saw many years ago some documentary in which they shot a candle through a wood board.
The most common 911 meme going..
For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.
In what reality, ArMaP, can a 767 slice through a building and remain intact, it at least retain its nose?
So what is it?
Did the plane reappear on the other side?
Did it disintegrate upon impact? (haha, that's my favorite),
Or were there no planes?? Lol
Also I would like to know your actual opinion on 911. No devils advocate, I want to know what you believe... If you don't mind sharing.
Also Astro, one of the planes hit the building whilst going more than 500mph (590). I need to go and check the facts so that I can differentiate between the strikes on the north and South Tower..
But that alone also raises many questions, especially from trained pilots.
Quote from: Sinny on October 02, 2015, 01:25:17 AM
In what reality, ArMaP, can a 767 slice through a building and remain intact, it at least retain its nose?
Intact? I never saw anyone saying that the plane exited the building intact. ???
I think it's possible that part of the plane exited the building, but not the nose.
QuoteAlso I would like to know your actual opinion on 911. No devils advocate, I want to know what you believe... If you don't mind sharing.
My opinion is that we were not told the whole story about it, but I don't have any idea of what the whole story may have been. I don't think we need "exotic" explanations if "common" explanations are enough, so I do think that two planes hit the towers and probably one hit the pentagon and another fell in some field.
I was referring to the WTC Buildings outer surface layer Material ..
I assumed that it would be made out of Concrete or something of a similar material.
I may be wrong but I believe many buildings are made of a Composite type Concrete ... that contains reinforcement steel bars that strengthen it more than normal.
this type of thing..
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRA6MIenfXlsMhYqEcTHOUI6BDt5D5nZ_xh6iDeRldi6bLubd-1ug)
(http://www.technologystudent.com/joints/cement2a.png)
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=reinforced+concrete&espv=2&biw=853&bih=518&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAWoVChMI-dnr0MuiyAIVx7waCh1SBgEl&dpr=0.75
ArMaP
QuoteThe outer shell was concrete? ???
I think that there have been some egs of what seemed like more solid objects being penetrated by what seem like objects that seemed softer materials or less likely to have done so.
It may depend upon certain factors in order for such things to be able to happen. like being hit at a certain speed or being shaped in a certain way to do so as some egs that come to mind.
It would require getting many more facts about the dimensions and strength of the buildings materials on both the Building and Plane to be able to make a better assessment.
I am Not sure how thick the walls were and how many...not just the outer wall... but other walls within the building ...
also how much space was there in between the so called inner steel support structures.
If the Plane did penetrate the outer concrete layer or what ever it was made of ...be it breeze blocks, bricks or whatever..
Did the plane then manage to break through or did it hit the inner steel structure , or did it miss the inner part that appears to be a set inner square like proportional dimension relative to the outer dimension of the building width.
In a case where It may have broke thru the outer layer and missed the middle steel structures.. and not hit anything else to stop it... it then hit the wall on the other side of the building..
I would have thought the chances of it breaking the otherside was less likely as most of the energy of the collision should have been taken out by the initial impact. I would have thought.
QuoteI think so, I saw many years ago some documentary in which they shot a candle through a wood board.
Quote from: ArMaP on October 02, 2015, 01:40:20 AM
Intact? I never saw anyone saying that the plane exited the building intact. ???
I think it's possible that part of the plane exited the building, but not the nose.
My opinion is that we were not told the whole story about it, but I don't have any idea of what the whole story may have been. I don't think we need "exotic" explanations if "common" explanations are enough, so I do think that two planes hit the towers and probably one hit the pentagon and another fell in some field.
So if it's not the nose of flight 175 we can see leaving the South Tower, what is it and why does it look like a plane nose?
Is this another optical illusion? Should we not believe our eyes?
Side note: I just refreshed my memory in regards to Flight 11 and Flight 175. I'll start being more specific.
A difference in the speed of the aircraft of 200 mph or more would certainly make a difference to the impact/s.
and if one was able to do some testing of similar or almost identical events but testing the results of impacts at varying speeds.. there may be a point where such an impact may have more a chance of penetrating through the building.
It would also depend on other factors that I indicated in my previous post. Material dimensions, thickness & strengths,
Inner walls and the inner steel structures. and possible safety designs within the building. Was it designed to take such impacts for eg... or was a side impact not even considered..
The designs of the outer layer of the building structure could make a difference as to how it absorbs such a shock of an impact.
If the Cylinder with its nose of the plane did manage to break thru the initial outer wall and MISS other internal obects and other walls and the inner steel structures....
its Kiniectic (Moving )energy would certainly have been reduced..
the surface area of the wings if the remained in tact on impact.. would also help slow the plane down. as they went thru the side of the building..
it may be that the wings sheared away as it went thru the wall.
and it was then just the main cylinder of the plane that went onto further break thru the building.
I would have thought that the nose would certainly have been destroyed as that was the main part of impact.
I am not sure however what materials and components are behind it and how solid that maybe.
if say it was a solid strong steel..and nothing else.. this would have more chance of breaking thru. but if there is space inbetween the outer layer of the nose cone and the cock pit..where the pilots are with the controls and electronics... then chances are this would break up.. and again dissipate the energy..
BUT it maybe that the design of a planes cone is a much stronger structure than we may think..I am not sure to be 100% certain.
A Tube can be a strong structure when it is compressed from its ends... like a smarty tube made of cardboard... if you place the end on a flat surface and press on it... it can take a fair force before it buckles.
if you then took a similar tube made of steel its even stronger.. and its unlikely even with your full weight on it that you will buckle it...
but a cylinder or tube has little mass to it compared to a solid bar.
The mass of the planes cylinder ...maybe too little to break thru a building....
With the force thrust of the engines behind it.. it has more force...
I am not sure what happened to the engines as it hit the building..
As it happened so fast... they probably still had a lot of effect on the impact even if the electrics shut down... the engines may have still transferred force and momentum to the aircraft..
or they may have shut down or been lost on impact and had little further effect on the penetration.
John Lear was a highly trained pilot...possibly one of the very best.
from what I am led to understand..
From what I recall reading..He did not think it was possible to fly such aircraft at such speed at the altitude that the planes appear to fly into the buildings..
So that could be about 600 MPH at a height under a 1000 ft.
It maybe that such larger aircraft have to reach a certain height to reach such speeds..
It may also be down to air density at different altitudes in engine speed performance.
They are otherwise only at a 1000 ft during take off and landing.and I don't recall ever seeing such larger aircraft at such low altitudes flying at 500 mph or more.
He then suggested they were Holograms....
QuoteAlso Astro, one of the planes hit the building whilst going more than 500mph (590). I need to go and check the facts so that I can differentiate between the strikes on the north and South Tower..
But that alone also raises many questions, especially from trained pilots.
Like I know the planes are not made of steel. I was reading up on the materials a few hours ago, but the details escape the tip of my brain.
The 'plane' should have met with the steel core at 37 ft into entry, afaik, when the plane meets the steel core we should see the plane slow up, but this does not occur.
Some other images below that may indicate the Plane breaking thru the tower. and some further info on the building and its Perimeter walls.
One suggests that the Tower face or outer walls was made of steel.
Doing a quick search I cannot seem to find much that says about the perimeter walls of the towers that relates to a concrete perimeter...
I thought that it was Concrete reinforced with steel like many a building is as far as I am aware.
.
But maybe with something that maybe steel or Aluminium outer perimeter Columns.
(http://www.debunking911.com/construction.jpg)
But this article suggest that the walls on the outer perimeter were not reinforced concrete.. nore were the Columns in the centre core.
http://www.debunking911.com/towers.htm
This is a description of the structual design on Wikipedia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center_(1973%E2%80%932001)
Yamasaki's design included building facades sheathed in aluminum-alloy.
The World Trade Center towers used high-strength, load-bearing perimeter steel columns called Vierendeel trusses that were spaced closely together to form a strong, rigid wall structure, supporting virtually all lateral loads such as wind loads, and sharing the gravity load with the core columns.QuoteThe tube-frame design, earlier introduced by Fazlur Khan, was a new approach that allowed more open floor plans than the traditional design that distributed columns throughout the interior to support building loads. The World Trade Center towers used high-strength, load-bearing perimeter steel columns called Vierendeel trusses that were spaced closely together to form a strong, rigid wall structure, supporting virtually all lateral loads such as wind loads, and sharing the gravity load with the core columns. The perimeter structure containing 59 columns per side was constructed with extensive use of prefabricated modular pieces, each consisting of three columns, three stories tall, connected by spandrel plates.[49] The spandrel plates were welded to the columns to create the modular pieces off-site at the fabrication shop.
This site does refer to it having at least an inner concrete Column.
http://911review.org/WTC/concrete-core.html
Yamasaki's design for a torsion resistant core structure made from non flexible material,
steel reinforced cast concrete, won a competition in strength with several others.
All steel towers failed high winds because the steel perimeter columns could take the weight but were prone to flexing and the twisting.
(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQTJ-4XUXBcT6o5ydofNuSt7yKcmOAzgPjl7gXVQ8-BmWdPU26YAw)
This suggest it had a Hollow Towers Concrete Core...
DISNFO CLAIM: The Towers were Hollow and had a Concrete Core
There are a few people that claim that the towers were hollow structures, made out of concrete or were even "missing floors".
But Confirms the following...
The Core Structure Of The World Trade Center Towers Was A Steel Reinforced, Cast Concrete, Tubular Corehttps://kendoc911.wordpress.com/911disinfo/disnfo-hollow-towers-concrete-core/
(https://kendoc911.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/hollow-steel-shaft-2.jpg)
This is an interesting image that actually shows the inner core as the Sun shines through the building..You can at least get an idea of how much space there is between the inner core and the outer perimeter.
and if the plane penetrated around the centre of the wall face... it seems it would have hit the inner core. It would have had to have hit the wall to one side of the centre line by a fair distance to have missed hitting the central core... IMO.
I think the width of the building is about 208 feet.. and the width of a 757 aircrafts wing span = 120 feet.. a 767 wingspan = 160 ft
To compare to A Jumbo 747 = 200 feet.
So they would have the hit the building somewhere between the centre point of the Width of the wall and its outer side...which would be about 104 feet as a target to miss the inner core.
I believe that the dimensions of the inner core of each tower was a rectangular area 87 by 135 feet...depending which way or direction it was in relation to that of the wall faces that the aircraft hit.
if it had the shortest inner core measurement of 87 feet..
thats about 44 feet from its centre point...
As the outer wall perimiter was 104 feet from its centre point.
less another 44 feet for the centre core...
it leaves about 60 feet... as a target.... to allow the plane to miss the core...
not that much of a target...
This refers to the planes types involved.
QuoteEarly on the morning of September 11, 2001, 19 hijackers took control of four commercial airliners (two Boeing 757 and two Boeing 767)
Another factor is if the plane were to have hit at a point on the building on level between two levels... ie hitting the floor/ceiling levels... depending how it hit it.... this could severely reduce the chances of it breaking through the building....
As the Whole floor or ceiling points would be very strong points within the building...that would not buckle easily.
If it broke between the floor and ceiling levels.... then it would be more of a possibility.
Another point that maybe of interest.
The length of the longest aircraft involved was between 180 to 200 feet long.... The Wings are about half way from its nose to its tail.
So the aircraft could have broke thru the building wall by 100 feet before the wings hit the building.
that's about half the width of the WTC building..where the centre core would have been hit before if the plane had broken through as was suggested.
It may actually have only been 50 to 60 feet before hitting the inner column.
Just something else one may consider.
(https://kendoc911.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/hollow-towers.jpg?w=234&h=300)
(https://kendoc911.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/hollow-towers.jpg?w=468&h=600)
(https://firstlightforum.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/image01711.jpg?w=590)
(http://911review.org/Wget/investigate911.batcave.net/4.jpg)
(http://911composites.wiki-site.com/images/thumb/d/d8/Image052.png/360px-Image052.png)
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n237/StillDiggin/Gamma3Frames.jpg)
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n237/StillDiggin/VenusPlaneTrap.jpg)
(http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/175JW2.jpg)
Nice work Astro, I'll return as soon as I'm home and settled.
Boards are quiet these last few days, I imagine the rest of the team will join us when they log in.
ArMaPs gone suspiciously quiet :P
Quote from: Lunica on February 20, 2014, 03:01:24 PM
If the plane from 9/11 is a holograph, which I doubt, I dont understand why they would made a holograph of this (a military) type boeing 767/737?.
If I recall correctly and understand correctly thats is the case with that plane.
If they used a holograph, and the same group of persons worked with the whole 9/11 thingie, they better used a commercial type 767/737 to fit the story better.
(http://www.rense.com/general69/Mystery_airliner_1.jpg)
Remote controlled... ? ::)
Whatever it is, it seems weird to use such a holograph.
I am not that into 9/11, so I am not sure, well, my 1 eurocent on the table ;)
Note to self to check and cross reference this pic.
Quote from: Sinny on October 02, 2015, 02:47:10 PM
ArMaPs gone suspiciously quiet :P
Unfortunately, ArMap has to work.
Quote from: Sinny on October 02, 2015, 02:19:58 AM
So if it's not the nose of flight 175 we can see leaving the South Tower, what is it and why does it look like a plane nose?
I don't know, it could be any thing, even some thing that was inside the building and was hit by the plane, although I doubt that.
QuoteIs this another optical illusion? Should we not believe our eyes?
"Another"? What is/are the other(s)?
Thank you Sinny...
Hope that some of it may offer something that you may consider.. or it may lead to some other ideas or suggestions.
If you get time, Id be interested if you have any comments on the post that I asked about with ref to the UFOs that you observed...
and the photos and images that Sander and "D" or ArMaP had looked into.
QuoteNice work Astro, I'll return as soon as I'm home and settled.
As far as I am aware without doing a detailed check...
Aircraft Cylinder bodies known as the Fuselage , are made of a type of Aluminium type Alloy.. that maybe what I believe to be From large pieces of sheet metal that are Rolled.. to form its cylinder shape. and are of a few layers that are somehow bonded together...
Then they are either riveted or sealed some how to make the cylinder shape. I maybe wrong but I don't think they weld it, unless maybe if its mixed with some other metal in the Alloy that
that may allow it to be welded.
I think it was more the older aircraft designs that were riveted..
I suspect that they have more modern ways to do this now.
Aluminium being quite a strong non rusting or non corroding, light weight metal. It will also be coated with something to further protect it , I would think..
I cannot say that I not really found that many images or websites that have shown any true evidence that the plane penetrated thru the building as yet..
But some of the images that I posted or that we have seen so far, do give the impression that it may have done so...
So far no one else has posted any further images or content to back it up.
One other point that I forgot to mention was the diameter of the Fuselage or Cylinder of a 767 Aircraft.. it is said to be about 16.5 feet...
Maybe if we think of it as like a missile 16.5 feet width diameter hitting ino a 208 feet wide Building to give some idea how its size compares...
so when I suggested that if it hit to one side of the centreline of the building...and between the inner column.... It had about a 50 to 60 foot width to hit the building and have a chance of piercing thru it without hitting the column...
if it hit central to that area... it would have about 20 to 25 feet either side...I would think... or less depending upon the thickness of the building side walls...
QuoteThe 767's fuselage width was set midway between that of the 707 and the 747 at 16.5 feet (5.03 m)
QuoteLike I know the planes are not made of steel. I was reading up on the materials a few hours ago, but the details escape the tip of my brain.
The 'plane' should have met with the steel core at 37 ft into entry, afaik, when the plane meets the steel core we should see the plane slow up, but this does not occur.
Some weirdness that I'll be returning to
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gliHOhXYFQ
Quote from: Sinny on August 18, 2016, 06:36:02 PM
Some weirdness that I'll be returning to
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gliHOhXYFQ
you mean the incessant whining voice weirdness? yes I thought that odd
funbox
Was there any debris at the crash site?
Quote from: Pimander on August 19, 2016, 01:26:45 AM
Was there any debris at the crash site?
No, just a big ditch from what I'm aware - and no bodies.
My sources inform me that there was the original flight, and then a decoy.
But I need to clarify the timeline and maneuvers.
One plane was apparently spotted hanging upside down in the air. Planes cant do that can they? ???
Like, sitting there, "hanging"
Quote from: Sinny on August 20, 2016, 12:10:44 PM
One plane was apparently spotted hanging upside down in the air. Planes cant do that can they? ???
No. :)
Apparently there was body parts...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVUfN7RlgoQ
Ahh, well the witness testimony I watched stated otherwise.
Also, apparently the a number of coroners are compromised by elite handlers into feeding us hogwash, just like the coroner who was clearly speaking out of his ass at Sandy Hook. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=It5JC45KMGo
Check out these crisis actors on 9/11 - (This "witness" is literally being handled by the Men in Black)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z45hI6YuC-I
This one's a major BLOOPER (in the original of this, you can actually see two other crisis actors laughing in the background) Note that she states she works at TD waterhouse, TD Waterhouse is one of the companies involved in the World Trade Center Insurance scam. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Av2IZ29lwds
Here's the compromised medical examiner dealing with Sandy Hookhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zE0OT5od9DA
Crisis actor caught out at Sandy Hook:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-ynI3chzSc
ABEL DANGER reports that all false flags are accompanied by false "News Injections" in sync with the events, naturally. According to Eric Darton, author of "Divided We Stand" (Biography of the Twin Towers circa 1999) from the 1993 bombings, 50,000 workers were displaced and 350 tenants were RELOCATED OUTSIDE THE WTC.
Also excerpted from the book: Quote
"The Port Authority closed out the 1990s with a stream of press releases announcing the rental of unimaginably huge quantities of trade center office space to "cutting-edge" firms like Sun Microsystems. Yet around the complex a million square feet stood empty, and the buildings originally intended as great catalyzing chambers of world trade were, by degrees, transforming into a kind of disjunctive real estate layer-cake. One story above the carpeted, wood-paneled offices of a Japanese securities firm, a group of artists filled bare walls with boldly colored images and hung sculptures from the exposed ceiling girders of a vast echoing cavern. As part of a Lower Manhattan Cultural Council program that turned some of the vacant space in the towers over to artists rent-free, 40,000 square feet of concrete floor lay paint-spattered and strewn with the raw materials of a creative urge that has never been easily reconciled with the imperatives of a bottom line. "
After the '93 World Trade Center Bombings most companies wanted OUT - for numerous reasons, the buildings were practically worthless, and useless.
How odd then that just a few years prior to 9/11 a number of dubious companies all wanted IN. Including but not limited to TD Waterhouse, Sidley Austin, Sun Microsoft Systems and many many "ghost corporations". Plus, all these companies are up to their necks in protecting and facilitating the Clinton Machine, BTW.
I was randomly checking out some of these lease holders and ghost corporations not long ago and came across yet another planted "survivor story" , this "survivor" claims to have worked for "Baseline Financial Services" , and this is her story:Quote
Lara Lundstrom Clarke's life was saved by a Sliding Doors chance encounter with Gwyneth Paltrow on September 11, 2001.
It was one of those pristine blue-sky New York mornings, and Lara Lundstrom, a 24-year-old account manager at Baseline Financial Services, decided to rollerblade on the Hudson before work. She knew if she was quick, she could get in some sweat time and make it to her job on the 77th floor of Tower 2 of the World Trade Center by 9:00 am.
After a quick shower she donned her work attire, an Ann Taylor Loft grey skirt and blouse, slipped on a pair of low kitten heels, grabbed her purse and ran out the door. Of course making it in time for her 1/9 train meant she had to jaywalk across 7th street to Christopher Street station. No problem, she'd made a habit of that.
"It was one of those mornings that felt good, you had a little skip in your step. What the heck - I always cut across 7th Avenue. Then all of the sudden a silver Mercedes SUV came barreling down towards me.
"I stopped and they screeched to a halt. Then it developed in to one of those classic who-goes-first situations. It got ridiculous. Then I made eye contact with the Mercedes driver. OMG it was Gwyneth Paltrow.
"I knew she lived down the street, so it made sense. She waved me across, I crossed and she continued on her way. At least if I was late for work I had a story to tell."
She raced to the subway, hurtled down the stairs to the platform only to watch the doors of the 1/9 slam shut.
She had no idea she had just experienced her own real life Sliding Doors moment, the movie starring Paltrow about a chance romantic encounter that depended on whether or not she caught a subway train.
"At that time I was annoyed at everything that had made me late that day, including Gwyneth Paltrow," Lara recalls.
At 8:47am, the moment she headed up from the subway to the concourse in the Twin Towers the first plane hit. She heard a man shouting: '"Get down, get back in the subway, there's a bomb." Lara, along with hundreds of others, were pushed back down underground onto the subway platform.
Lara recalls, "It was total chaos being stuck in the basement of a building. All I could think about then was my parents and if I died, what it would do to them. My heart was racing, I was paralyzed. I couldn't even speak. 'Get me outside, I need to be outside.'"
Eventually they were let out into Vesey Street, where a female police officer was yelling out directions and telling her to get away from the Towers.
"I looked up and there was a big gaping hole in the World Trade Center. I stood for a minute and then I realized what I was seeing, and there were people jumping. It was horrible because you could see them hanging on to the outside of the building, praying they wouldn't have to do it."
It is a sight that haunts her to this day.
At 9:02 in the morning, as Lara walked up Church St., a tremendous rumble and explosion caused her to look back.
"That was the worst thing I've ever seen in my life - my office exploded."
While Lara did not actually see the second plane fly into the building, she saw her floors rupture into a ball of flames. Still unsure of what she was witnessing, Lara fell to her knees, started dry heaving, certain that everyone she knew and loved in her company was dead.
It was only towards the end of the day, thanks to the Internet, that she learned that the majority of her coworkers had miraculously survived. Given the fact that the plane's wing sheared through her office, it was astonishing that just four of the 170 staff on duty perished.
http://www.themortonreport.com/celebrity/how-gwyneth-paltrow-saved-my-life-on-911-1/
Bullpoop, Bullpoop, Bullpoop.
Oops, careful George!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpMzkIR1ymw
How do you think my sleuthing skills are coming along? ;)
Surely it's easy to check whether someone really had a kid at Sandy Hook? There must be proof of that. I know it's hard to check random passers by being interviewed but a married couple with a kid at a school will have:-
Birth Certificates for husband and wife.
Marriage certificate
Birth certificate for child.
School records
Death certificate
Or the documents don't exist.
Quote from: Pimander on August 20, 2016, 06:03:38 PM
Surely it's easy to check whether someone really had a kid at Sandy Hook? There must be proof of that. I know it's hard to check random passers by being interviewed but a married couple with a kid at a school will have:-
Birth Certificates for husband and wife.
Marriage certificate
Birth certificate for child.
School records
Death certificate
Or the documents don't exist.
Try and find em...
A number of people are under the impression that Sandy Hook School was actually closed for a couple of years prior to the Sandy Hook event. - Then hastily demolished immediately after ::)
Scripted, scripted, scriptedhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1kKGCbXXEM
9/11 Report Omissions - PDF Search Terms
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLbmfJUd7Mk
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9/11 Experiments - experiments you can do yourself to check out the Nine Eleven Official Conspiracy Theory. We check for search terms, and how many times they appear in the 3 major 9/11 reports by the Bush Commission and NIST. "Ace Elevator", "Larry Silverstein", and "Securacom" were not even mentioned, much less investigated.
LVI Services, the company that did the asbestos removal, was also left out of the 9/11 Report. Asbestos was only mentioned a few times, although this was a major problem with the World Trade Center towers. It had to be fixed by law, or the towers would have to come down anyway. Work above the ceiling panels by the steel beams would be the perfect "cover" for planting explosives.
Times Mentioned in the 9/11 Commission Report NIST Report WTC 1&2 NIST Report WTC 7
Ace Elevator 0 0 0
A.C.E. 0 0 0
Elevator 33 108 13
Otis Elevator 0 0 0
Otis Air Force Base many
Larry Silverstein 0 0 1 Contributors to the Investigation
Silverstein (properties) 2 in 1 paragraph 0 4+1 Contributors to the Investigation
SecuraCom 0 0 0
SecuriCom 0 0 0
StrateSec 0 0 0
LVI 0 0 0
Download and try it for yourself.
http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/... Bush Commission
http://www.nist.gov/customcf/get_pdf.... WTC 7
http://www.nist.gov/customcf/get_pdf.... WTC 1 & 2
For more information: http://911Experiments.com/reports
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"ACE Elevator Company 9/11 - Questions and Research
How could explosives be planted in the WTC?
By Rick Shaddock, ANETA
Writing Team (Article under construction, new info from Ry) Although we do not know exactly how explosives could have been planted in the World Trade Center prior to 9/11, without detection, we do know two things for sure. Other possible explanations were not considered in the 9/11 Commission or NIST Reports. Key people were not even mentioned in the final reports.
The possibility of controlled demolition was not seriously considered in the Nine Eleven Official Conspiracy Theory (NEOCT). There were workers with unfettered access to parts of the builds that were perfect for the planting of explosives, such as in the elevators shafts next to the vertical support columns, and above the ceiling panels next to the horizontal beams. There were also fireproofing renovation workers.
Dr. Niels Harrit has estimated that it would take "tons" of explosives to demolish the buildings. Demolition experts such as Tom Sullivan have said that it would be quite easy to plant them, if a group had access to the elevator shafts, next to the core columns.
Workers had access to unoccupied areas by day, and in occupied areas by night, and on week ends. Workers from the A.C.E. Elevator Company in the WTC elevator shafts from 1994 until 9/11/2001 were not even mentioned in the final reports. Neither was LVI Services, working on the asbestos removal project. Nor were the fireproofing workers. (See video)
The words "Ace elevator" or "A.C.E." (herein ACE) are not found anywhere in the PDF files of the 9/11 Commission or NIST reports, although "elevator" appears multiple times. You can check this out for yourself. The names of the security company, "Securacom" renamed "Stratesec", are not found either. If the security company cannot be trusted, than there are many ways the explosives could be brought in. The building owner is also key. The landlord, Larry Silverstein is only mentioned in the WTC 7 report, as a contributor. http://911Experiments.com/reports.
With the assistance of Frank Lowy, Paul Eisenberg, and Ronald Lauder, Larry the N.Y. Port Authority turned over the management to Silverstein Properties. He hired the Jewish firm Kroll for security.
Kevin Ryan has well researched who had access to the WTC towers in his article. http://911review.com/articles/ryan/d...access_p1.html
According to Dennis Cimino, interviewed on Dr. James Fetzer's show, there were many fake sounding names on the list of renovators of the World Trade Center.
This report will focus on ACE.
ACE got the WTC contract, the biggest elevator project in history, There was an article "Drive to the Top" in the trade magazine Elevator World about the ACE project.
Elevator modernization would be the perfect cover for the planting of explosives. Tom Sullivan, who worked for Controlled Demolition Inc., said that the elevator shafts, next to the load bearing columns, would be the perfect place.
http://www.ae911truth.org/en/news-se...livan-eso.html
NEOCT supporters may say "people would have seen A.C.E. Elevator planting explosives in the shafts". But building occupants, except for A.C.E. workers and StrateSec security, could not look in the elevator shafts. As an experiment you can do, just try to get permission to look in the shafts. I could not even look in one that I partly own.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJFBi5Zgj9E
A.C.E. Elevator Company went bankrupt in 2006. How could ACE go bankrupt, if they were skilled enough to get the largest contract in history? Presumably they got paid, because Larry Silverstein was fully insured, received over $4 billion, and there are no records of ACE suing Larry. Some NEOCT supporters may say: "ACE is still in business. So there is nothing suspicious about them". But that is not true. http://www.nysb.uscourts.gov/sites/d...52_opinion.pdf
The Ace Elevator LLC started 2011 is not the same company, as verified with a phone interview with Daniel Boyle. He serves Philadelphia and the address on his web site is a residential house in NJ. I wanted to know why would anyone take on the name that would expose them to bill collector phone calls? Dan innocently took the name to be near the top of alphabetical listings, not to try to get ACE's customers. Dan said he is annoyed by a lot of conspiracy calls about the former company, "completely different people." (So let's not bother him any more.)
Dan says that he heard "there was a labor dispute that day, or in that time frame, and the members of that company, about 50 of them, were pulled out to a union meeting to discuss some business. You know, I think that is the only reason none of the other elevator guys got hurt." He suggested following up with the International Union of Elevator Constructors Local 1 Union in New York for more information about that meeting. www.localoneiuec.com Here is his phone interview."
You might want to look at these?
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B-YeEgq5sO7NeVkyUlhvNnlkZ0E
https://sleepbutawhile.com/2014/01/12/inconvenient-truth-60-the-sandy-hook-police-report/
Quote from: Sinny on August 18, 2016, 06:36:02 PM
Some weirdness that I'll be returning to
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gliHOhXYFQ
Quote from: Pimander on August 19, 2016, 01:26:45 AM
Was there any debris at the crash site?
This woman stated during the video that she saw white fiberglass in the pit.
Quote from: A51Watcher on August 21, 2016, 02:24:35 AM
This woman stated during the video that she saw white fiberglass in the pit.
Drone?
62, 000 views..... Nice, lol.