Fatwa committee under the General Authority of Islamic Affairs and Endowment in the UAE says such a journey poses a real risk to life.
QuotePromoting or being involved in a one-way trip to the Red Planet is prohibited in Islam, a fatwa committee under the General Authority of Islamic Affairs and Endowment in the UAE has ruled.
"Such a one-way journey poses a real risk to life, and that can never be justified in Islam," the committee said. "There is a possibility that an individual who travels to planet Mars may not be able to remain alive there, and is more vulnerable to death."
Whoever opts for this "hazardous trip", the committee said, is likely to perish for no "righteous reason", and thus will be liable to a "punishment similar to that of suicide in the Hereafter".
The committee, presided by Professor Dr Farooq Hamada, said: "Protecting life against all possible dangers and keeping it safe is an issue agreed upon by all religions and is clearly stipulated in verse 4/29 of the Holy Quran: Do not kill yourselves or one another. Indeed, Allah is to you ever Merciful."
http://www.khaleejtimes.com/nation/inside.asp?xfile=/data/nationgeneral/2014/February/nationgeneral_February150.xml§ion=nationgeneral
Ok, how about a suicide mission to Mars then?
;)
Yes, it seems it is not only Ok, but is rewarded for terroristic suicide, But, it is not ok to by their own free will to do something similar to what Columbus and many other explorers did, to expand the "known world! A pretty sad and so obviously ridiculous way of thinking! :o
Seems the big three religions, christianity, judaism and islam all say not to do anything but obey the rules to remain quiet, sit still, pray and do nothing but worship some invisible entity that never shows itself.
If aliens created religion and they don't want the lowly human travelin in space back on mars, well, say so in a religious parable, don't do it. Perhaps the martians don't want the seed of man infecting the mars wonderland.
Than again, maybe the therms own mars and are enjoying the show on earth as it melts down. In the movie John Carpenter of Mars the therms tell him they are immortal and they serve their queen and they don't destroy civilizations. They facilitate it, manage it and let the civilizations destroy themselves.
That is what we see happening on earth today with the advancement of technology used to destroy the human race. Who gave us that technology which seems to have been borne from the Nazi era into the two major powers of the planet.
One way trip means a colony in a brave new world off this prison barge.
Quote from: rdunk on February 20, 2014, 08:58:18 PM
But, it is not ok to by their own free will to do something similar to what Columbus and many other explorers did, to expand the "known world! A pretty sad and so obviously ridiculous way of thinking! :o
Ah, yes...
This is what we would consider a great confliction.
8)
Quote from: Gigas on February 20, 2014, 09:36:30 PM
Seems the big three religions, christianity, judaism and islam
I generally avoid that broad brush.
At least Christians will explore space.
Does Judiasm prohibit exploration into space?
Last I looked, in Revelations it said man
would travel to and fro, and there is nothing
in there about it being a sin.
;D ;D ;D
It's interesting that nothing about this can be found on the site of the organisation that supposedly issued that fatwa and that all references point to the same source.
PS: even if this fatwa is real it doesn't mean going to Mars is forbidden in Islam, a fatwa is only followed by those that follow what the person/entity that issued the fatwa, as a fatwa is just an opinion.
Quote from: rdunk on February 20, 2014, 08:58:18 PM
Yes, it seems it is not only Ok, but is rewarded for terroristic suicide, But, it is not ok to by their own free will to do something similar to what Columbus and many other explorers did, to expand the "known world! A pretty sad and so obviously ridiculous way of thinking! :o
Considering the results of Columbus' most famous voyage, I think it may had been better if he had remained in Europe. :P
Oh, the irony. Don't go to Mars. You might die. Stay on Planet Earth and become a suicide bomber for 72 virgins. ::)
Quote from: ArMaP on February 20, 2014, 09:58:20 PM
It's interesting that nothing about this can be found on the site of the organisation that supposedly issued that fatwa and that all references point to the same source.
Hmmm
Yes, lets vet the story, good idea.
Aside that this article is on Google with
over 25 hits news articles...
http://www.worldbulletin.net/news/129214/muslim-scholars-issue-fatwa-against-living-on-mars
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/20/mars-fatwa_n_4823059.html?utm_hp_ref=religion
http://muslimvillage.com/2014/02/21/50362/uae-ulama-give-fatwa-against-one-way-trip-to-mars/
Too many to list.
I dont have time to comb through the 337,000 Fatwads
that were issued by the awquaf,
http://www.awqaf.ae/News.aspx?Lang=EN&SectionID=16
but I would be willing to bet my passport they did.
;D
Quote
Late in April 2013, Mars One, a Dutch company, invited volunteers to fly and live on the Red Planet, but there is no technology so far that would enable a return trip from Mars to Earth. The company is planning the first such trip to Mars in 2023 and another crew every two years afterwards with the goal of establishing a permanent human colony.
'The Mars One mission plan consists of cargo missions and unmanned preparation of a habitable settlement, followed by human landings.
'In the coming years, a demonstration mission, communication satellites, two rovers and several cargo missions will be sent to Mars. These missions will set up the outpost where the human crew will live and work.'
Over 200,000 people, including 500 Saudis and Arabs, have applied to take part in the missions so far.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2562957/Muslim-leaders-issue-fatwa-against-living-MARS-no-righteous-reason-there.html
Found -
Mars Onehttp://www.mars-one.com/
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The ruling from the UAE General Authority of Islamic Affairs and Endowments (GAIAE) hasn't yet appeared in GAIAE's fatwa listings, but it doesn't necessarily have the force of law any more than a learned Christian priest or pastor's interpretations of Biblical scripture would. However, it would be something that a devout Muslim would at least take into consideration when making a decision—much in the same way that a devout Christian would likely listen to a pastor or priest about major life decisions.
http://arstechnica.com/science/2014/02/one-way-mars-one-mission-detractors-now-include-some-muslim-clerics/
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/feb/19/islamic-clerics-issue-fatwa-against-living-mars/
Quote from: burntheships on February 20, 2014, 09:50:37 PM
I generally avoid that broad brush.
At least Christians will explore space.
Does Judiasm prohibit exploration into space?
Last I looked, in Revelations it said man
would travel to and fro, and there is nothing
in there about it being a sin.
;D ;D ;D
It also states that mankind "will force their way into the heavens." OT
Quote from: Norval on February 20, 2014, 10:45:33 PM
It also states that mankind "will force their way into the heavens." OT
Norval,
Thanks for that one, where can I find it?
:)
Promoting or being involved in a one-way trip to the Red Planet is prohibited in Islam, a fatwa committee under the General Authority of Islamic Affairs and Endowment in the UAE has ruled.
Quote"Such a one-way journey poses a real risk to life, and that can never be justified in Islam," the committee said. "There is a possibility that an individual who travels to planet Mars may not be able to remain alive there, and is more vulnerable to death."
Whoever opts for this "hazardous trip", the committee said, is likely to perish for no "righteous reason", and thus will be liable to a "punishment similar to that of suicide in the Hereafter".
The committee, presided by Professor Dr Farooq Hamada, said: "Protecting life against all possible dangers and keeping it safe is an issue agreed upon by all religions and is clearly stipulated in verse 4/29 of the Holy Quran: Do not kill yourselves or one another. Indeed, Allah is to you ever Merciful."
Its a pity they Don't understand or comprehend the
DIFFERENCE between
The MEAT SUIT (Species)
and
LIFE !
Quote from: burntheships on February 20, 2014, 11:14:49 PM
Norval,
Thanks for that one, where can I find it?
:)
, , or achieve the heavens by force. OT, Old Testament.
Sorry, my old research puter died and the new win 7 wont run my older type of data base, , , :'(
Quote from: burntheships on February 20, 2014, 10:30:34 PM
Aside that this article is on Google with
over 25 hits news articles...
http://www.worldbulletin.net/news/129214/muslim-scholars-issue-fatwa-against-living-on-mars
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/20/mars-fatwa_n_4823059.html?utm_hp_ref=religion
http://muslimvillage.com/2014/02/21/50362/uae-ulama-give-fatwa-against-one-way-trip-to-mars/
Too many to list.
All the ones I saw (including the ones you posted) point to the same source (Khaleej Times) and most even have exactly the same text.
QuoteI dont have time to comb through the 337,000 Fatwads
that were issued by the awquaf,
http://www.awqaf.ae/News.aspx?Lang=EN&SectionID=16
but I would be willing to bet my passport they did.
They did what? ???
Quote from: ArMaP on February 21, 2014, 12:56:20 AM
They did what? ???
That the the awquaf,
http://www.awqaf.ae/News.aspx?Lang=EN&SectionID=16
and its "officials" did in fact state the things in the news.
And betting my passport is a pun from 9/11.
Quote from: burntheships on February 20, 2014, 08:46:24 PMPromoting or being involved in a one-way trip to the Red Planet is prohibited in Islam, a fatwa committee under the General Authority of Islamic Affairs and Endowment in the UAE has ruled.
Well that explains why Obama told NASA NO you can't go back to the moon and NO you cannot go to Mars
Fecking Religious Zealots... BURN THEM ALL I say :P
QuoteI dont have time to comb through the 337,000 Fatwads
that were issued by the awquaf,
If this story is one of them, then there are 336,999 more that I have missed. Looks like thread supply for years. :o Start typing,
D
re: the other comments:
Well, what I am posting below is why for a long time I, as a Christian, have no problem with how we humans continue, on or off of this planet. It is comforting to know that where ever we are, God will still know where we are, and will always be there for us, and will "gather us together".
It would be my guess that still many Christians have not really taken note of the specific "off-world promise" of these two scriptures.
Bible, Amplified Translation:
Matthew 24:31
And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect (His chosen ones) from the four winds, [even] from one end of the universe to the other.
Mark 13:27
And then He will send out the angels and will gather together His elect (those He has picked out for Himself) from the four winds, from the farthest bounds of the earth to the farthest bounds of heaven.
Would it help if they got a return trip ticket with no scheduled date?
There are many things that man has done that he does not know if he will return but this is one that he knows he will not come back. A one way ticket that I will pass on. But you can call me when I am 80 and try again. Just to fly to Mars and die is not an option for me! If even the slightest chance was there for a return it would change my mind. In the end they will be first and then at a later date someone will have to go there and clean up the mess of dead people.
I don't know but being first to die there does seem like one big step for stupid.
If I had said before I would go I have now changed my mind. [because]
I will wait for PeggyII, the panetary UFO.
Quote from: deuem on February 21, 2014, 03:50:02 AM
Would it help if they got a return trip ticket with no scheduled date?
There are many things that man has done that he does not know if he will return but this is one that he knows he will not come back. A one way ticket that I will pass on. But you can call me when I am 80 and try again. Just to fly to Mars and die is not an option for me! If even the slightest chance was there for a return it would change my mind. In the end they will be first and then at a later date someone will have to go there and clean up the mess of dead people.
I don't know but being first to die there does seem like one big step for stupid.
If I had said before I would go I have now changed my mind. [because]
I will wait for PeggyII, the panetary UFO.
LOL - Deuem, we all have a different way of looking at things. For me, dying isn't "stupid", rather dying is "for certain". You and I are going to die! Then only bit of choice we have to make is, how do we want to live our lives until we do die.
Even Mars One plans are not being made for expecting the people to be dying right away, after getting there. More are going to be following, and living previsions are going to be made. Yes, if they make to the planet, they may smash into it, as such is always a possibility. But if they do, it will probably be on video, as pretty much everything they are going to do will be open air and on realtime video. :)
Yes, we all want to live as long as we can, but my belief is that the people who die the happiest, are those who die doing what they like best to do - and that is "whatever floats one's boat", as some in the "south of USA" might say
Quote from: deuem on February 21, 2014, 02:39:05 AM
If this story is one of them, then there are 336,999 more that I have missed. Looks like thread supply for years. :o Start typing,
Fatwas are just opinions, here (http://www.awqaf.ae/Fatwa.aspx?Lang=EN&SectionID=18&RefID=36839) is one of the last in the list. :)
Quote from: zorgon on February 21, 2014, 02:13:24 AM
Well that explains why Obama told NASA NO you can't go back to the moon and NO you cannot go to Mars
Fecking Religious Zealots... BURN THEM ALL I say :P
z,
wait a minute. where's that guy who says walk the neutral line, keeping light and dark in balance. you'd need one heckuvalot of light to make up for killing people just cause they don't want to go to mars lol
p.s. also didn't you say we already have a secret space program? why would we need 2?
Quote from: undo11 on February 21, 2014, 09:54:28 AM
wait a minute. where's that guy who says walk the neutral line, keeping light and dark in balance. you'd need one heckuvalot of light to make up for killing people just cause they don't want to go to mars lol
Balance would be achieved by the millions of Martian saved form Islamic Jihads :P
Quotep.s. also didn't you say we already have a secret space program? why would we need 2?
Because the secret space program is secret and won't give me a ride to go rock hunting and staking out mining claims. NAVY specifically says so :P
Quote from: zorgon on February 21, 2014, 10:07:56 AM
Because the secret space program is secret and won't give me a ride to go rock hunting and staking out mining claims. NAVY specifically says so :P
aww. well if it's any consolation, once you get off this rock, however you get off this rock, you will be able to go to other rocks and pick up almost the same type of rocks and think......
huh, this looks just like the rocks from that other rock i lived on. what you really need is new rocks and new rocks are not likely found in this particular universe, which is guided by all the same laws of physics and elements. i'm thinking other universes would likely have different physics and different elements. and that would be the version of heaven where geologists, rock hunters and treasure hunters go. :D
well i take that back, you'll only need the heavenly library for that, although i imagine there'd be a section for excursions, complete with felt fedoras, leather whips and leather covered water pouches.
Quote from: undo11 on February 21, 2014, 10:15:57 AM
what you really need is new rocks and new rocks are not likely found in this particular universe,
You would be WRONG :P
NASA says: New Moon Rock Is Fit for a King
http://umlr.net/03files/New_Gem.html
8)
Quote from: zorgon on February 21, 2014, 10:22:24 AM
You would be WRONG :P
NASA says: New Moon Rock Is Fit for a King
http://umlr.net/03files/New_Gem.html
8)
yeah and it's exciting and all that, but once you find out its basic elements, it just ends up being another rock just like the other rock. lol
listen to me, i know what i'm saying -- you would be in geologist heaven if you were in a place where rocks existed that didn't even contain the elements we work with nor perhaps obey the same laws of physics.
wait for it.....
REAL FLOATING ROCKS.
turn up sound
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDLiKcx5J8M
Quote from: deuem on February 21, 2014, 03:50:02 AM
Would it help if they got a return trip ticket with no scheduled date?
There are many things that man has done that he does not know if he will return but this is one that he knows he will not come back. A one way ticket that I will pass on. But you can call me when I am 80 and try again. Just to fly to Mars and die is not an option for me! If even the slightest chance was there for a return it would change my mind. In the end they will be first and then at a later date someone will have to go there and clean up the mess of dead people.
I don't know but being first to die there does seem like one big step for stupid.
If I had said before I would go I have now changed my mind. [because]
I will wait for PeggyII, the panetary UFO.
eh don't let 'em fool ya. they gotta have nano tech up there by now constructing places to live so when humans finally get there, there won't be any of that messy and immediate threat to life.
now let's say they sent up a nano factory in the guise of one nano bot onboard one of their rovers, programmed to make the next nano, and the next and when the amount of bots needed for the next stage are created, they begin to build the parts of a factory. and this continues until they have a whole community of buildings and living quarters, energy facilities, medical facilities and so on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Spr5PWiuRaY
nano yikes. reminds me of
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ap1Mq0fIidQ
Quote from: burntheships on February 20, 2014, 08:46:24 PM
Promoting or being involved in a one-way trip to the Red Planet is prohibited in Islam, a fatwa committee under the General Authority of Islamic Affairs and Endowment in the UAE has ruled.
Finally! A way to contain Islam and restrict it to a dying planet!