Pegasus Research Consortium

I am watching the video...interesting...gives description of the various craft....alien reproduction...flux liners!!!.....someone has a big head start Luke!

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2014/03/02

Troubling Deaths

First hour guest, UFO disclosure activist Stephen Bassett detailed a troubling pattern involving the recent deaths of ET/UFO researchers. Not only did fast acting cancers kill both author Philip Coppens and Starchild researcher Lloyd Pye, but the documentary filmmaker James Allen (who recently completed a film on alien propulsion with Mark McCandlish) appears to have been poisoned to death with heavy metals (toxicology report), Bassett reported. He warned that there could be a campaign to silence people who're getting too close to the truth about the ET presence.

https://youtu.be/0GDINjhugn0

Cosmo

Cosmo, After reading that I can only say
I see nothing, I know nothing and I have forgotten everything.
Aliens are little green sponge bobs that live under trees. Yea thats it. UFOs are only fat moths with LEDs attached. And Area 51 is the 10th row to the right in Walmart. I am officialy wacky and have turned into a floating rock.
Will they leave me alone now, Please!

To be honest...I hesitated posting that....  ;)

Almost half way through...


Aaaaannnndddddd........it has a parachute!   ;D

(http://www.sexyli.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Wallpaper_Looney_Tunes_Marvin_Martian_Flying_Saucer_1-1024x768.jpg)


Cosmo

QuoteAaaaannnndddddd........it has a parachute!   

They been stealing our ideas, LOL

SSShhhh...i know nuttin.... ::)
better watch this now, before it gets taken down 8)

ETA: Toxic metals won't work on me, full of the stuff already, i have so many heavy metals in me i set off airport scanners LOL

I am paused at 1 hour! This is very interesting for we non-physics guys. I will view the balance a little later! Thanks for sharing this with us COSMO!

I'm about 1/2 way through.
So far they are pretty much correct IMO... ::) i even posted a diagram a few hours ago about this, funny that..... :o

Quoteenough energy in a coffee cup to boil the worlds oceans

About right, i was figuring ONLY 22 gigawatts per cc at the time i made this;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lyEwaO0u98

http://www.ssyoutube.com/watch?v=9lyEwaO0u98 (http://www.ssyoutube.com/watch?v=9lyEwaO0u98)

Moulding those plates in glass (or some polycarbonate resin) is a big job, even today.
i would know of only a few companies with the ability to mould something that big, Hmmm....

Quote from: PlaysWithMachines on March 04, 2014, 09:37:39 PM
Moulding those plates in glass (or some polycarbonate resin) is a big job, even today.
i would know of only a few companies with the ability to mould something that big, Hmmm....

It sure sounds like the capacitor/coil configuration we have discussed.  I believe the center column is designed to generate the rotation......TORSION.....of the ether vortex.  AND.....the inclusion of a Faraday/homopolar generator!  All of the elements we have been talking about! 

(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRer-SW5phjWwd29kbivv-jrmbA2yTW6EHgjgTJLoXlWzml9Ot9Zw)

Cosmo

Government flying saucer surplus....some day! 

(http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/pentagonaliens/images/pentag54.gif)

Yeah...I'll take one of the old classic models!  lol

Cosmo

White teflon cutting board has way highee dialectric and is lighter.actually kinda cheap to build.the central axis would be the hard part.

LMAO ;D

Yes i need to test some teflon Robo, i have a few lumps lying around.
A lot of plastics i tested actually had quite a low breakdown, hmm must be tables out there on Wiki etc. I have a bunch of them already, need a few days to compile it ;)

The strongest insulator i ever found was the 'ceramic' glue sticks from Black & Decker. They are brown in colour, if you see them, buy them i need them, i can't get them anywhere.Sent messages to B&D but as yet no reply ::)
Took over 200Kv per mm, metered resistance was close to infinite.
And superb mechanical strength to boot....

So why is it no longer available?
Grrr >:(

Quote from: PlaysWithMachines on March 07, 2014, 08:13:19 PM
So why is it no longer available?
Grrr >:(

Probably because it took over 200Kv per mm, metered resistance was close to infinite and had superb mechanical strength to boot..... :)

I had charts ten years ago but basically the cutting board had the highest rating for the price.plus its easily machinable.plus they make screws and nuts from the stuff too.

Right you are, both of you ;D

Quote from: PlaysWithMachines on March 04, 2014, 08:40:22 PM
About right, i was figuring ONLY 22 gigawatts per cc at the time i made this;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lyEwaO0u98

http://www.ssyoutube.com/watch?v=9lyEwaO0u98 (http://www.ssyoutube.com/watch?v=9lyEwaO0u98)

Finally got to that.  Very nice Luke!  Nothing like a little techno while the sparks fly huh?   :)

Yes, ZP, all the energy of the ETHER!  Visible in the patterns of nature...

(http://rabbisremembering.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/vortex21.jpg)

(http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2010/030/3/b/Making_of_the_Water_Vortex_by_LinsenSchuss.jpg)

(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSXjCXkzcA1CAa12BREWGDmrX_dPsvSdAIJq0a1l8R4432J12F-kw)

(http://vaczy.dk/pix/faraday.jpg)

Cosmo

OOoo nice pictures 8)

You can clearly see the 'counter' vortex in the water :D

Well i made that vid 3 years ago (or longer) to try & sell my CD, thought i would put some ideas in there LOL

But it's still true, how can you have an 'energy crisis' when you, the planet, everything, is nothing BUT energy? Even the space in between the atoms is seething with it :P

Anyway back to the spaceship.

The FTL aspect is of course kind of true, the less mass (= more grav distortion) the less energy it takes to move it, and you are not affected by relatavistic mass theory. Cool

Only there would still be the matter of Lorentz-Fitzgerald contraction to deal with, that could give some pretty strange experiences when approaching lightspeed :D

Even the ST movie made use of that to fill 5 minutes with a kind of LSD trip for Kirk & his crew ;D

OOoo nice pictures 8)

Yeah...I like nice pictures!  lol

Here's a great example of nature doing something that we can hope to mimic...

TORSION!

(http://www.dailygalaxy.com/.a/6a00d8341bf7f753ef01a73d891220970d-800wi)

This monster black hole rotates at roughly half the speed of light twisting space as it turns.

http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2014/03/monster-black-formed-near-beginning-of-universe-found-twisting-space-at-half-the-speed-of-light-.html

Proving.
A: That  space/time is malleable
B. That TORSION can be accomplished
C. That nature already does everything we can dream of doing

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_rzw3afxwWRA/TAJrIVsZopI/AAAAAAAAAD8/o9HHltfr0sM/s1600/Grand_Universe_by_ANTIFAN_REAL.jpg)

hello kitty...

(http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrvx8wZ3X41qhn4c9o1_400.jpg)
ha ha

Cosmo

My own basic point of view on the subject of black holes is a high enough energy level would cause an object to escape said blackhole.
We are not currently wise to the effects at high current and high voltage except on the atomic scale.on the macro scale.is where these anomolies should be more understandable.due to us having a real visual and hands on effect.
One thing that seems interesting is where on the quantum scale .particles are seen to pop in and out of this dimension we exist in.so by the macro scale.we should be able to pop in and out.
If a craft is energised to the right voltage and current.maybe magnetic field.
Somewhere along that emf scale should be gravity nullification.

Oh also deuem and maybe flux have triangulation software.they could tell us a general length of the two points.which would give us the voltage of that craft.

Nice interview with Mark McCandish...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4J9RYUlp9o

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-zPk5B9plUqk/UappQV0ruCI/AAAAAAAA6_Q/GqYgBzn1z3k/s1600/zeropoint01.jpg)

Cosmo

...Let's not forget the Flux-Liner, we need to know more about the core....

The core...

Most likely dense, highly charged plasma, making up the central core/shaft of the Faraday generator.   I imagine the amount of TORSION it is able to create is pretty substantial and the amount of energy that it is able to generate is quite high.  The whole craft, is, in essence, a flying Faraday generator.  The coil configuration could be energized by the Tesla effect,  plasma is conductive I've heard...induction, creating localized frame drag, a space/time/ETHER vortex, just like mother nature.  A plumber would understand...

I guess... lol

(http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/files/2012/05/p_kauf24_8.jpeg)

Movement of ETHER is superluminal...

LaViolette said that also in Subquantum Kinetics...

so for star travel, we MUST move ETHER!

Cosmo

Luke, it appears to me that the flux liner might also be the onion drive...

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=352.msg2868#msg2868

then again I might be hallucinating  8)


seeker

Hm yes i forgot this, silly of me..
Rotating EM fields are nothing new, they use them in industry al the time, and i think it's just a question of time before more companies have cracked it...yes, it is basically the same principle as the flux-liner, maybe we can do something with those plans, thanks for reminding me i must be getting old.

Quote from: the seeker on April 20, 2014, 02:22:34 PM
Luke, it appears to me that the flux liner might also be the onion drive...

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=352.msg2868#msg2868

then again I might be hallucinating  8)


seeker

I think the general concept is similar, but in the ARV we can see the actual construction, the shaft, the coil, the faraday generator.  It's an induction craft...a Faraday generator with a plasma shaft, inside a coil, a BIG coil,  generating TORSION...creating an ETHER vortex that will create an extension of ETHER aka space/time and the craft will be moved in the direction of the extension, just like water going down the drain...or a black hole or a tornado or a hurricane...it's natures model.  It's everywhere around us. 

In the interview with McCandlish, he talks about a 1966 UFO sighting with photos that is supposed to be one of these craft, or very similar.

Here it is...

(http://www.ufocasebook.com/provosmall.jpg)

1966 - Provo, Utah. The pilot of a twin engine C-47 "Skytrain" transport aircraft of the USAF captured this red object on photograph in July, 1966, at 11:00 AM.
The aircraft was flying over the Rocky Mountains, at about 40 kilometers southwest of Provo, Utah.

The Condon commission, which concluded that UFOs are not worthy of scientific investigations, did analyze the negative at the time and concluded that the photograph shows an ordinary object thrown in the air.

Exhaustive investigation of the photograph concluded the UFO in the photograph is a real object.

http://www.ufocasebook.com/bestufopictures2.html

There are other versions of the pics out there.  Maybe someone more experienced with photo analysis can take a look at them and give us some feedback?   ;)

Cosmo

Here's another report from the Provo, Utah area also in 1966. A disc shaped object, 40 ft in diameter...

http://books.google.com/books?id=6meZjKVOAvEC&pg=PT54&lpg=PT54&dq=1966+-+Provo,+Utah+ufo&source=bl&ots=90F3Du8TfX&sig=d9n55hhRAV7G3uTuXrQI9yN85UY&hl=en&sa=X&ei=arVaU7SNH8ey2gWItoGABQ&ved=0CG4Q6AEwDA#v=onepage&q=1966%20-%20Provo%2C%20Utah%20ufo&f=false

Cosmo

Hi again 8)
Hey that red one is THE classic flux-liner shape, complete with oversized observation / camera domes. Eyewitnesses did say it looked like it had been around for a lond time, all dented & scratched. That was one of the things that really rang true about these stories.
But why paint one red?
Hardly 'stealth' is it? ;D

Even the RAF painted their planes sky blue underneath & military cammo on top ;)

I now have details of no less than 3 different systems which would render a craft invisible :P

Quote from: PlaysWithMachines on April 25, 2014, 09:59:31 PM
Hi again 8)
Hey that red one is THE classic flux-liner shape, complete with oversized observation / camera domes. Eyewitnesses did say it looked like it had been around for a lond time, all dented & scratched. That was one of the things that really rang true about these stories.
But why paint one red?
Hardly 'stealth' is it? ;D

Even the RAF painted their planes sky blue underneath & military cammo on top ;)

I now have details of no less than 3 different systems which would render a craft invisible :P

When I was in the Navy, I was on a decommissioning crew on a carrier.  We used a type of paint called red lead, because it had lead in it and would preserve the spots we had removed rust from.  Would that be something they might use?  It would go on in thick strokes, leaving brush marks, a rough finish...not pretty, kinda sounded like the paint job on the ARV.  Would that serve a logical purpose, a paint with lead in it?  Just random thoughts...

Cosmo

Yes, i was thinking 'red oxide' paint that you apply to metal to stop it rusting, it also acts as a base coat. kind of like a 1976 Ford Cortina in the UK :D

Remember Beau Kitselman's notes? Lead Oxide has 3 dorms, the one i need is yellow, not the red one, BUT lead (II) oxide is one of the better dielectrics when mixed with glycerine.
I even set up a small lab to make various dielectric compounds for the TTB stuff, so there could be a connection, especially since a lead coating would help to protect the passengers from radiation......it all adds up.
But at least paint over the red lead, unless they needed it bare for the aforementioned EG application??
Hmm good one ??? ::) :D

Quote from: PlaysWithMachines on April 25, 2014, 11:04:11 PM
Yes, i was thinking 'red oxide' paint that you apply to metal to stop it rusting, it also acts as a base coat. kind of like a 1976 Ford Cortina in the UK :D

Remember Beau Kitselman's notes? Lead Oxide has 3 dorms, the one i need is yellow, not the red one, BUT lead (II) oxide is one of the better dielectrics when mixed with glycerine.
I even set up a small lab to make various dielectric compounds for the TTB stuff, so there could be a connection, especially since a lead coating would help to protect the passengers from radiation......it all adds up.
But at least paint over the red lead, unless they needed it bare for the aforementioned EG application??
Hmm good one ??? ::) :D

Hi Luke,
Yes, lead could serve more than one purpose.  As for protecting the crew...

Podkletnov's GRAVITY GUN has a "danger area" at the one end of the device. 

(http://members.tele2.nl/kovavla/pictures/podkletnov_impulse_generator.JPG)

I do think that there would be some radiation produced when there is movement of ETHER.  (I still smile that the beam travels at 64c)

At the other side there is a danger zone of harmful radiation. This radiation is somehow different from the 'gravity impulse beam'.  This asymmetry is the also an indication that there are macroscopic electro-scalar field components in both the 'gravity impulse beam' and in the danger zone radiation, but with opposite direction and sign. According to Petkov's theory, the 'gravitic' effect is due to a distortion of the Coulomb fields of all the particles in massive objects that are exposed to the gravity impulse beam.

http://members.tele2.nl/kovavla/experiments.html

This may be a safety conern also if "lifters" are exhibiting any EG effect...

(https://drawception.com/pub/panels/2012/9-3/9XMWQPsFcx-6.png)   :o

Cosmo

ok...i'm still laughing...

Gold mate :D
Yes Podkletnov gathered a lot of data, & managed to accurately measure the speed of that pulse. If i remember, the danger end is producing x-rays etc and yes it's funny that they appear exactly opposite the gravity pulse.

Here is something we can play with, as soon as i have the mega HV supply finished we can zap some large dielectric targets & see what happens, hmm i need to record x-rays, the best method would be to place photographic film behind the device, zap it a few times & then develop the film, a bit tedious IMO but hey, science involves some sweating now & then, LOL

ETA; Is that a Fruitbat getting zapped by lightning? ;D

Quote from: PlaysWithMachines on April 26, 2014, 10:37:21 AM
Gold mate :D
Yes Podkletnov gathered a lot of data, & managed to accurately measure the speed of that pulse. If i remember, the danger end is producing x-rays etc and yes it's funny that they appear exactly opposite the gravity pulse.

Here is something we can play with, as soon as i have the mega HV supply finished we can zap some large dielectric targets & see what happens, hmm i need to record x-rays, the best method would be to place photographic film behind the device, zap it a few times & then develop the film, a bit tedious IMO but hey, science involves some sweating now & then, LOL

ETA; Is that a Fruitbat getting zapped by lightning? ;D

(http://pictures.bigfunnysite.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/an-overwhelming-yes.jpg)

just thinking of his safety...

lol

Cosmo

Well, we never did find out what happened to Naudin's pet hamster Orville ::) Maybe he's in orbit :D Or he got fried, in either case not a happy hamster i think ;)
Also, let's not forget the possible temporal effects of HV fields sustained for a long time. We even designed a test chamber to do just that......i think it's in the gold ring thread or somewhere...

A question about temporal effects and magnetic fields: I had a video somewhere of a large block of aluminum( on the order of 12 kilos) shown being tipped over on the end of an MRI table outside the field; it fell normally; placed inside the field of the machine and tipped over, it fell in slow motion.

Since aluminum is non-magnetic, is the MRI field causing a temporal distortion?


seeker

Quote from: the seeker on April 27, 2014, 04:23:31 AM
A question about temporal effects and magnetic fields: I had a video somewhere of a large block of aluminum( on the order of 12 kilos) shown being tipped over on the end of an MRI table outside the field; it fell normally; placed inside the field of the machine and tipped over, itfell in slow motion.

Since aluminum is non-magnetic, is the MRI field causing a temporal distortion?


seeker

Hi seeker,

It's this effect(Lenz's Law):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBN_cYEgeMA

Odd that a non-magnetic material is affected by a magnetic field, but that is what happens.  Not sure if it's temporally related, but strap a watch to a block of aluminum and see if it syncs with a watch outside of the tube after it's dropped?  Interesting thought...time effect???

Quote from: PlaysWithMachines on April 26, 2014, 03:56:26 PM
Well, we never did find out what happened to Naudin's pet hamster Orville ::) Maybe he's in orbit :D Or he got fried, in either case not a happy hamster i think ;)
Also, let's not forget the possible temporal effects of HV fields sustained for a long time. We even designed a test chamber to do just that......i think it's in the gold ring thread or somewhere...

If ETHER is being moved, safety is a real issue.  If lifters are producing an electrogravitic effect, there may be safety issues that have been overlooked other than the ionization.  I remember the stories of die glocke, the odd effects on living things and the efforts to shield from them...ceramic blocks?...was that it?  Didn't Wright Patterson AFB order similar blocks?  So basically a dielectric wall?  I think these are the types of safety precautions worth considering.  Yes, our new lab must have a room so equipped!   ;)

Cosmo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxC-AEC0ROk

took me a few minutes but I found it; Lenz effect? So, does it also effect time flow? I have heard people state that a 30 minute episode in the MRI machine seemed to be much shorter to them... perhaps a subject for a new thread...


seeker

I'll have to come back later on this, some interesting observations but not to do with magnets...

Quote from: COSMO on April 27, 2014, 07:19:20 AM
Odd that a non-magnetic material is affected by a magnetic field, but that is what happens.

Not that odd if the non-magnetic material is a conductor, as (I think) it's the change in the magnetic field that creates a current in the non-magnetic (but conductor) material and that current creates an opposing magnetic field, so it's the same thing as copper wire coil having a magnetic field when supplied with some current.

I saw once a similar demonstration, but with an electromagnet making an aluminium ring jump some six metres in the air, like this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pl7KyVIJ1iE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pl7KyVIJ1iE

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paramagnetism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paramagnetism)

And

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamagnetism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamagnetism)

Even water is slightly magnetic, that's why you get pretty snowflakes ;)

seeker,
I don't know about the MRI...time in one of those things seems to go MUCH slower for me.  :'(

Quote from: PlaysWithMachines on April 27, 2014, 03:12:38 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paramagnetism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paramagnetism)

And

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamagnetism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamagnetism)

Even water is slightly magnetic, that's why you get pretty snowflakes ;)

Yes, water has some fascinating qualities.

Electric water bridge...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPtL3S1v4jw

Cosmo

Good one, Cosmo ;)

QuoteNot that odd if the non-magnetic material is a conductor, as (I think) it's the change in the magnetic field that creates a current in the non-magnetic (but conductor) material and that current creates an opposing magnetic field, so it's the same thing as copper wire coil having a magnetic field when supplied with some current.

Yes Armap, that is essentially correct. You do get ceramic magnets that are non conductive, and conductors that are non magnetic. Mostly they are both ;)
I would start on dielectrics as being a third property of matter, but i'm too tired, have to sleep.
Later! ;D

Looking for stuff and finding it is a big part of what I do.
I am looking for your glue sticks Luke...
FB.

Quote from: Fruitbat on May 01, 2014, 01:15:12 PM
Looking for stuff and finding it is a big part of what I do.
I am looking for your glue sticks Luke...
FB.

Hey cat, do you think fruit bat will show up?

(http://pictures.bigfunnysite.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/an-overwhelming-yes.jpg)

hi Steve!

lol

skyfish

I wonder if anyone(other than the gov) has looked into the field modification possibilities of a Faraday generator?  If Final Cut is accurate, that seems a logical path.

Flux Liner=Electro, Magneto, Gravito...a dynamic application...the capacitors are the "hooks" into space/time and the rotating/induction field is the rotational factor, creating torsion in space/time...an ETHER Vortex, similar to a Tesla Turbine...

(http://i47.tinypic.com/21d3dl0.jpg)


Faraday Generator

(http://vaczy.dk/pix/faraday.jpg)


Tesla Turbine

(http://large.stanford.edu/courses/2012/ph240/nam1/images/f2big.png)

ETHER Vortex

(http://uvs-model.com/pictures/vortex_art.jpg)

Much better than simple "displacement"...

Cosmo

Hey that's not bad!

Stil wondering what the capacitors are made of (witness said copper but that's not an ideal cap material) and how they are connected to the coil & the flywheel. I'm thinking that it's a resonant tank circuit, with sections of the capacitor array being switched into or out of the coil to steer the craft.
Hmmmm...

Quote from: PlaysWithMachines on May 04, 2014, 12:31:54 PM
Hey that's not bad!

Stil wondering what the capacitors are made of (witness said copper but that's not an ideal cap material) and how they are connected to the coil & the flywheel. I'm thinking that it's a resonant tank circuit, with sections of the capacitor array being switched into or out of the coil to steer the craft.
Hmmmm...

Why yes! A tank circuit! Now that sounds familiar! That makes perfect sense and fits in so well.  I'm seeing a reoccurring pattern here Luke!  lol

Au!

Cosmo

Luke, Cosmo, please to explain a resonant tank circuit for me, if you please.


seeker

OK, but first i have to work :( tonight i will draw something up or copy a page from somewhere, as you know Wiki is being compromised by a bunch of jerks, so i guess it's back to Paint drawings ;)
Later!

Quote from: the seeker on May 08, 2014, 02:31:29 AM
Luke, Cosmo, please to explain a resonant tank circuit for me, if you please.
seeker

seeker, wiki has a good definition:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LC_circuit

In electronics an LC circuit, also called a resonant circuit, tank circuit, or tuned circuit, consists of two electronic components connected together; an inductor, represented by the letter L, and a capacitor, represented by the letter C. The circuit can act as an electrical resonator, an electrical analogue of a tuning fork, storing energy oscillating at the circuit's resonant frequency.

(http://i47.tinypic.com/21d3dl0.jpg)

In the image above, the capacitor is arrayed around the bottom of the craft, apparently in sections that may be switchable.  So it is actually a hybrid EG/tank circuit device!  Pretty cool huh? 

Notice how the flywheel is in the same plane as the coil...

To me it looks like we are seeing a combination of:

Tesla
Faraday
Townsend Brown

Cosmo

Thanks Cosmo,i was going to draw another crappy diagram but you've done it so much better, yet more gold ;D
I posted a similar set-up with the split tube with a coil around it, the split tube is the capacitor in that case. Something Dr.C told me about....

Quote from: PlaysWithMachines on May 10, 2014, 09:58:03 AM
Thanks Cosmo,i was going to draw another crappy diagram but you've done it so much better, yet more gold ;D
I posted a similar set-up with the split tube with a coil around it, the split tube is the capacitor in that case. Something Dr.C told me about....

Funny you should mention that...

I was thinking about Dr. C. in relationship with this. 

While I see Tesla, Faraday and Brown, I also see another angle here that I could not quite place in history...I have been pondering that...but it DOES remind me more of Dr. C. than anybody!  I notice the different tanks...and the ones arranged around the base of the central core...

It is kind of serendipitous that the information on the flux liner and Dr. C's work are under scrutiny here simultaneously...

Brings a smile to my face! 

Luke YOU should have all MY gold my friend! 

Cosmo

I missed this thread, from an initial observation it looks very interesting !

Great find Cosmo...if this is some real UFO material...

Can I ask about the initial video.

It says the conference held in Washington late 1988 was organised by Dr Steven Greer...and upon an initial viewing it looks legit !

But I seem to recall that PRC has knocked Dr Greer's work in the past..

So id like to ask the advanced members who have researched him what comparison they make of him being involved in this project...

I am rather surprised that they allowed that event to be released if they had NASA and CIA officials talking about such things if the US Gov was aware about it ! when I thought these people wanted it covered up !

What is also interesting to note is that this was around the same time Bob Lazar came on the scene..

Very impressive drawing as shown by Mark McCandlish as well as his description of the Flux liner and how he believes it works..

Very concerning about the recent deaths of those connected with some of the UFO / ET researchers and the Film maker James Allen.

Hi Astro, the person that made the video was James Allen.  I'm up in the air about Greer.  Time will tell. 

This is the toxicology report.  As real as anything on the internet can be! 

Allen was the person that started Nick Cook down the path that ended with The Hunt for Zero Point.
I believe he was the one that was leaving certain materials/clues on Nick's desk.

There are some solid connections there...so for me it give Allens work credence and it seems that he died under some unusual circumstances and that makes it look like maybe someone was not happy with him.  Seems to be suspiciously common among those in that line of work.

I also think the flux line is what would be required for true ftl field propulsion...so I think it is the real deal, astro. 

http://www.paradigmresearchgroup.org/graphics/AllenToxicologyReport.pdf

Got some barium in there...lead, thorium, uranium...

Cosmo

Thanks for that info Cosmo,

I will have to look again into Dr Greer..as to why I thought that he had a bad reputation but as I think I understand , you are highly praising him for this...

I was not aware of James Allen and Nick Cooks connection.

I just watched a bit more of the video and the presentation on how it s designed and may work seems remarkably well done...and even I get the impression that I have some understanding, although I am still unsure on certain aspects of the more advanced technical side ..like the use of how the capacitors may work... counter rotating parts & elements , flywheel and   use of the elements such as Mercury....

The part that describes the ejector seat  arm control & navigation systems that may work the 48 capacitors to determine the power and control of the craft I assume maybe with use of 48 fibre optics .

I do not think that I have ever seen such a detailed description of how such a craft may work since that of Bob Lazar's explanation.

I will try to watch the rest of it later... it is very thought provoking !

Hi astro,

I am not giving Greer high praise, I meant that I have no strong feelings either way.  I hope he can do some good.  Time will tell.

Cosmo

While I see Tesla, Faraday and Brown, I also see another angle here that I could not quite place in history...I have been pondering that...

Farnsworth?  ???

Cosmo

Hmm, farnsworth? Laithwaite? lots of strings in this one mates...

OK so i have a coffee break, just time to read this :)

QuoteBut I seem to recall that PRC has knocked Dr Greer's work in the past..

So id like to ask the advanced members who have researched him what comparison they make of him being involved in this project...

Good question. I thought Greer had the same take as Bob Lazar, that all these craft were powered by element 115 or other alien tech, possibly back engineered.I think some of them are, not all though.

But what i gather is that there are dozens of different types of craft, from 'nazi flying bells' to 'vimana's' as well as nuclear (E115?) craft.
In fact we have documented at least 10 different drive systems to date.
The flux-liner is simple enough to be made by humans around 100 years ago, and it's the one that has the most promise (well there are even simpler ones, but they are not openly discussable, yet).

I don't know enough about Greer to express an opinion, from what i have heard, he's a bit of a shill, i find Lazar to be a lot more believable. Greer loves attention, and money :P and i think that whole 'disclosure' project was a set-up from start to finish. Oh sure they let slip things about D.U.M.B.'s & aliens & stuff, but we never got to hear what the agenda is, or who is running the show.......those things they 'leak' are mostly common knoweledge by the time they 'leak' it ::)

QuoteThere are some solid connections there...so for me it give Allens work credence and it seems that he died under some unusual circumstances and that makes it look like maybe someone was not happy with him.  Seems to be suspiciously common among those in that line of work.

I also think the flux line is what would be required for true ftl field propulsion...so I think it is the real deal, astro. 

I agree.
i was reading the ftl document fron the electric spacecraft company, it explained a lot of things about the ether, and where Einstein got it wrong (and all the institutions that believed it, in short, everybody) and why the Michelson Morely experiment gave false results.

QuoteGot some barium in there...lead, thorium, uranium...

Hell i have that in my body as well.... :o

QuoteI will try to watch the rest of it later... it is very thought provoking !

It is, we are taking it quite seriously in the Inventor's group ;)

QuoteI am not giving Greer high praise, I meant that I have no strong feelings either way.  I hope he can do some good.  Time will tell.

Let's just say i wouldn't buy a used car from him, he's got that sleazy 'i'm gonna clean you out' look :)

But you can't judje peeps from their looks, i look like a frail toothless old fart....
i'm anything but frail ;D

Astro, you have access as i recall, go take a look ;)
Ok coffee is over, back to work LOL

Cosmo, thanks for the explanation; that makes it more understandable for me...

@Pwm; simpler systems? but does that mean easier to construct? Need to build one in the backyard so I can zoom over to Z's and John's to visit and then head over to the batcave...

but they would probably shoot my perambulator off if I didn't file a flight plan...


seeker

You are welcome seeker.  I am not an electronics guy, but Luke and I had already talked about a tank circuit, so I am learning as I go. 

So...

Observation...the general shape reminds me of die glocke:

(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTpL8w-yCMJvoBbbtDrpNAHUF38TrjkihYt_z_imlJGN2t-tfjY)

Thought...if the ETHER is a superfluid, and we are attempting to manipulate it, which is probably necessary for true field propulsion and ftl travel, fluid dynamics is applicable to this I think, and certain types of geometries make sense and others do not...

(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTcl9we9dLeXAVCtMasWXaouiIWkVvqQIQjevNbUKsbldYGydRQ)

Question...witnesses describe the caps as being copper in color...what other material could it be?  Could it  be some other material that is being misidentified?

ooohhhhhh...pretty rock...

(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ1kpaMznQ0E6_45Im6QDQ6RWLq0fMWeUaswTb0gAPpOLnb0ghJ)
Dammit Marie, they're not rocks they're minerals! lol

Question: There is mention of mercury....again...but the core is describes as a glass tube...how would that be different than this?

(http://wpcontent.answcdn.com/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/04/MV_Lamp_175_W.JPG/220px-MV_Lamp_175_W.JPG)

Question...does anybody else ever feel like this???  lol

(http://37.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l0zleu7VoN1qaq4gco1_500.jpg)

oh..I kill me!  lol

Cosmo

now appearing nightly...

(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTXCVgzrfWX8VRZVWtXyPaXF5z3dIsBTdDddiubTz2HDslGqzyUgQ)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-KAvPbO8JY

Some interesting snippets from the Disclosure Project:

http://disclosureproject.org/docs/pdf/htm/Outsidethebox-TedLoderPaper.htm

        On May 9, 2001 a private organization, "The Disclosure Project"[28] held a press conference at the National Press Club in Washington DC.  They presented nearly two dozen witnesses including retired Army, Navy and Air Force personnel, a top FAA official, members of various intelligence organizations including the CIA and NRO, and industry personnel, all of whom who had witnessed UFO events or had inside knowledge of government or industrial activities in this area.  They also produced a briefing document[29] for members of the press and Congress and a book[30] which includes the testimony of nearly 70 such witnesses from a pool of hundreds.  Although they all spoke of the reality of the UFO phenomena, many also spoke of covert projects dealing with antigravity, zero point energy technologies and development of alien reproduction vehicles (ARVs) by US black project and covert interests.  The following excerpted quotes from these witnesses support the above contentions.

        Dan Morris[31] is a retired Air Force career Master Sergeant who was involved in the extraterrestrial projects for many years.  After leaving the Air Force, he was recruited into the super-secret National Reconnaissance Organization (NRO), during which time he worked specifically on extraterrestrial-connected operations.  He had a cosmic top-secret clearance (38 levels above top secret) which, he states, no U.S. president, to his knowledge, has ever held.

        "UFOs are both extraterrestrial and man made.  Well, the guys that were doing the UFOs, they weren't sleeping, and Townsend Brown was one of our guys who was almost up with the Germans.  So we had a problem.  We had to keep Townsend Brown - what he was doing on anti-gravity electromagnetic propulsion secret."  He then describes a type of zero point energy device.

        "Well, if you have one of these units that's about sixteen inches long and about eight inches high and about ten inches wide, then you don't need to plug into the local electric company.  These devices burn nothing.  No pollution.  It never wears out, because there are no moving parts.  What moves are electrons, in the gravity field, in the electronic field, and they turn in opposite directions, okay?"

        "Dr. B."[32] (name withheld since he still works in this area) is a scientist and engineer who has worked on top-secret projects almost all his life.  Over the years he has directly worked on or had  involvement with such projects involving anti-gravity, chemical warfare, secure telemetry and communications, extremely high-energy space based laser systems, and electromagnetic pulse technology.

        "Anti-gravity.  As a matter of fact, I used to go out to the Hughes in Malibu.  They had a big think tank up there.  Big anti-gravity projects; I used to talk to them out there.  I'd give them ideas, because they bought all my equipment.  But the American public will never, never hear about that."  . . .  "This flying disc has a little plutonium reactor in it, which creates electricity, which drives these anti-gravity plates.  We also have the next level of propulsion, it is called virtual field, which are called hydrodynamic waves..."

        Captain Bill Uhouse[33] served 10 years in the Marine Corps as a fighter pilot, and four years with the Air Force at Wright-Patterson AFB as a civilian doing flight-testing of exotic experimental aircraft.  Later, for the next 30 years, he worked for defense contractors as an engineer of antigravity propulsion systems: on flight simulators for exotic aircraft - and on actual flying discs.

        "I don't think any flying disc simulators went into operation until the early 1960s - around 1962 or 1963.  The reason why I am saying this is because the simulator wasn't actually functional until around 1958.  The simulator that they used was for the extraterrestrial craft they had, which is a 30-meter one that crashed in Kingman, Arizona, back in 1953 or 1952."

        "We operated it with six large capacitors that were charged with a million volts each, so there were six million volts in those capacitors." . . . "There weren't any windows.  The only way we had any visibility at all was done with cameras or video-type devices." . . ."Over the last 40 years or so, not counting the simulators - I'm talking about actual craft - there are probably two or three-dozen, and various sizes that we built."

        "A.H."[34] formally of Boeing Aerospace,  is a person who has gained significant information from inside the UFO extraterrestrial groups within our government, military, and civilian companies.  He has friends at the NSA, CIA, NASA, JPL, ONI, NRO, Area 51, the Air Force, Northrup, Boeing, and others.

        "Most of the craft operate on antigravity and electrogravitic propulsion.  We are just about at the conclusion state right now regarding antigravity. I would give it maybe about 15 years and we will have cars that will levitate using this type of technology.  We're doing it up at Area 51 right now.  That's some of the stuff that my buddy worked on up at Area 51 with Northrup, who lives now in Pahrump, Nevada.  We're flying anti-gravity vehicles up there and in Utah right now..."

        Lieutenant Colonel Williams[35] entered the Air Force in 1964 and became a rescue helicopter pilot in Vietnam.  He has an electrical engineering degree and was in charge of all the construction projects for the Military Air Command.  During his time in the military he knew that there was a facility inside of Norton Air Force Base in California that no one was to know about.

        "There was one facility at Norton Air Force Base that was close hold - not even the wing commander there could know what was going on.  During that time period it was always rumored by the pilots that that was a cover for in fact the location of one UFO craft."

        Note that all he knew was of the rumor, however, it is confirmed by the next testimony, which also confirms some of the comments made by Captain Uhouse.

Mark McCandlish[36] is an accomplished aerospace illustrator and has worked for many of the top aerospace corporations in the United States.  A colleague, with whom he studied, has been inside a facility at Norton Air Force Base, where he witnessed alien reproduction vehicles, or ARVs, that were fully operational and hovering.  He states that the US not only has operational antigravity propulsion devices, but we have had them for many, many years, and they have been developed through the study, in part, of extraterrestrial vehicles over the past fifty years.

        A close friend, Brad Sorensen, told him of visiting The Big Hangar, during an air show at Norton Air Force Base on November 12, 1988 and how he had seen flying saucers in this hangar.  "There were three flying saucers floating off the floor—no cables suspended from the ceiling holding them up, no landing gear underneath—just floating, hovering above the floor.  He said that the smallest was somewhat bell-shaped.  They were all identical in shape and proportion, except that there were three different sizes. They had little exhibits with a videotape running, showing the smallest of the three vehicles sitting out in the desert, presumably over a dry lakebed, some place like Area 51. It showed this vehicle making three little quick, hopping motions; then [it] accelerated straight up and out of sight, completely disappearing from view in just a couple of seconds—no sound, no sonic boom—nothing."

        "Well, this craft was what they called the Alien Reproduction Vehicle; it was also nicknamed the Flux Liner. This antigravity propulsion system—this flying saucer—was one of three that were in this hangar at Norton Air Force Base.  [Its] synthetic vision system [used] the same kind of technology as the gun slaving system they have in the Apache helicopter: if [the pilot] wants to look behind him, he can pick a view in that direction, and the cameras slew in pairs.  [The pilot] has a little screen in front of his helmet, and it gives him an alternating view.  He [also] has a little set of glasses that he wears—in fact, you can actually buy a 3-D viewing system for your video camera now that does this same thing—so when he looks around, he has a perfect 3-D view of the outside, but no windows.  So, why do they have no windows?  Well, it's probably because the voltages that we're talking about [being] used in this system were probably something between, say, half a million and a million volts of electricity."  Brad Sorensen stated that at the ARV display, "a three star general said that these vehicles were capable of doing light speed or better."

Mentions the flux liner...

A lot of familiar ideas. 



"This flying disc has a little plutonium reactor in it, which creates electricity, which drives these anti-gravity plates.  We also have the next level of propulsion, it is called virtual field, which are called hydrodynamic waves..."


"We operated it with six large capacitors that were charged with a million volts each, so there were six million volts in those capacitors."

Cosmo

(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS_gAZWL8puRtaIqmjhOckc8hb0nT4WCiJq2sqNog3VZPpx6FuQ)

lol

Quote from: PlaysWithMachines on April 27, 2014, 10:48:59 AM
I'll have to come back later on this, some interesting observations but not to do with magnets...

Sure!  lol

Saw this...seems I should post it...

Waveguide, in particular in a dielectric-wall accelerator:

http://www.google.com/patents/US20120133306

(http://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/US20120133306A1/US20120133306A1-20120531-D00005.png)

Cosmo

bt off topic, but amusing nevertheless.

I found this on ebay, which reminded me of a certain well known poster here...

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Enigma-Ceramic-Alien-watch-the-skies-they-are-out-there-believe-new-boxed-/120924851404?pt=UK_Home_HomeDecor_Accessories&hash=item1c27aecccc

FB.

Quote from: Fruitbat on May 15, 2014, 08:02:28 PM
bt off topic, but amusing nevertheless.

I found this on ebay, which reminded me of a certain well known poster here...

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Enigma-Ceramic-Alien-watch-the-skies-they-are-out-there-believe-new-boxed-/120924851404?pt=UK_Home_HomeDecor_Accessories&hash=item1c27aecccc

FB.

FB, you are just not right... 8)


seeker

Off topic but funny, "take us to your dealer" LOL

Hmm why does that thing look so much like an ancient celtic symbol?
Cosmo, you're putting my brain on overload, will need all weekend to catch up mate :P
Later, when i've checked all the links, yes i read all of them, it takes AGES but mostly worth the effort ::)
I like that alien, might bid on it, i will call it 'robopuff the grey' ;D
Sorry, we should be getting back to the OP right about now, LOL

Quote from: Fruitbat on May 15, 2014, 08:02:28 PM
bt off topic, but amusing nevertheless.

I found this on ebay, which reminded me of a certain well known poster here...

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Enigma-Ceramic-Alien-watch-the-skies-they-are-out-there-believe-new-boxed-/120924851404?pt=UK_Home_HomeDecor_Accessories&hash=item1c27aecccc

FB.

(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSO5n7HtcyLiUXnVHfUQShQ6KOENMzWpCejP_7Xm1T-DcvnUcXSHw)

I am soooo easily sidetracked by humor!  lol

Now where's my cookies...

Cosmo

...been thinking about unparticle physics...

I am still searching for anti-phase tesla coils... makes me wonder if that is part of what skewed JH is exposure to them...


seeker

Found more illustrations of the ARV:

(http://siriusdisclosure.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/McCandlish-ARV-Colored-copy.jpg)

(http://siriusdisclosure.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/McCandlish-diagram.jpg)

ooohhh, that's big....lol

Cosmo

Just some more flux liner info...

In Brown's designs, the negative pole is much larger than the positive pole. If you think of a UFO designed like this, you'd have the entire bottom of the ship be a negative plate, and the small sphere at the very top of the ship as the positive plate.

You can navigate the ship by breaking up the negative plate into a series of pie-shaped sections and varying the current flow between them.


(http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/imagenes_montauk/esp_fi5.gif)

I met Mark McCandlish at the Disclosure Project event in May 2001, where he explained the above drawing as being an accurate rendition of an 'Alien Reproduction Vehicle' or 'Flux-Liner' already in use by various forces within the secret government.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/montauk/esp_filadelfia_10.htm

The Faraday generator design in the flux liner looks like a form of a magneto hydrodynamic generator to me.  Instead of brushes, using induction to transfer the emf. 

Cosmo

Love the pics, shame i can't see them on my mobile, i set it to text only otherwise it takes all day to get one page, and several hours of scrolling & zooming to read it, then the battery is dead :P
But keep up the good work! I will have to print these out in poster format, LOL
Good work ;)

A nice interview with James Allen, the guy responsible for ZP Final Cut. 

http://www.openminds.tv/documentary-to-feature-claims-of-back-engineered-ufo-technology-1034/21882

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEfS25_zyHE

Cosmo

Nature shows us the way...


(http://www.plasma-universe.com/images/thumb/2/20/Galactic-inductor.jpg/400px-Galactic-inductor.jpg)

(http://www.plasma-universe.com/images/thumb/4/4c/Crab-nebula-combined.jpg/400px-Crab-nebula-combined.jpg)

Unipolar Inductor:

A Unipolar inductor usually refers to a device in which a rotating metal disk rotating in a magnetic field, generates an electric current. The metal disk can be any conductor, including a rotating plasma. It is also known as a homopolar generator, unipolar generator, acyclic generator, disk dynamo, or Faraday disk.

Unipolar inductors occur in astrophysics where a conductor rotates through a magnetic field, for example, the movement of the highly conductive plasma in a cosmic body's ionosphere through its magnetic field. In their book, Cosmical Electrodynamics, Hannes Alfvén and Carl-Gunne Fälthammar write:
"Since cosmical clouds of ionized gas are generally magnetized, their motion produces induced electric fields [..] For example the motion of the magnetized interplanetary plasma produces electric fields that are essential for the production of aurora and magnetic storms" [..]
".. the rotation of a conductor in a magnetic field produces an electric field in the system at rest. This phenomenon is well known from laboratory experiments and is usually called 'homopolar ' or 'unipolar' induction. [3]
Unipolar inductors have been associated with the aurorae on Uranus,[4] binary stars,[5] [6] black holes,[7] [8] pulsars (neutron stars),[2] galaxies,[9] the Jupiter Io system,[10] [11] the Moon,[12] [13] the Solar Wind,[14] sunspots,[15] [16] in the Venusian magnetic tail.[17], the Earth,[18], and comets.[19] [20]


Cosmo

Nature's model of space time modification...Faraday everywhere...

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=6829.msg95746#msg95746

Cosmo

It seems that Gordon Novel was involved in back engineering something he called Ram (replication alien machine).  So, the flux liner is really Gordon's Project Ram.   

RAM - Replication Alien Machine
G: Uh. That's what some people call it. We call it RAM, Replication Alien Machine.

K: Oh, I see.

G: We don't... they call it Alien Reproduction Vehicle, and we don't do that. We are into the universality of the circuit design that they use to negate gravity, inertia, and time.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_gordon_novel.htm

(http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/imagenes_sociopol/sociop54.gif)

The universality of the circuit.  I like that!

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_gordon_novel.htm

Someone once told me that Gordon was a scary driver!   ;)

Cosmo

Some good research and image diagrams there Cosmo !

So did Mark McCandlish say that these craft were ET, or back engineered or Manmade.. I assume at least initially from ET with ref to Alien Rep Vehicle..

Did he say how long they secret Gov have had them...Are they used by special Military or some other group ?

I am aware of the craft but not the details / background..Id have to reread to recall the info on this..I had not noted or recalled if it was said to be ET or not and when it 1st became known..

QuoteI met Mark McCandlish at the Disclosure Project event in May 2001, where he explained the above drawing as being an accurate rendition of an 'Alien Reproduction Vehicle' or 'Flux-Liner' already in use by various forces within the secret government.

Hi Astro,

They are described as a reproduction of alien technology. 

But here's what I see.  A combination of Tesla, Tesla Effect(coil), Faraday(rotating disc) and TT Brown(capacitor plates).



It may be that what this diagram shows is not alien technology, but a combination of very earthly developments.  I do think, and the Hawk agrees, that the physics is right!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01VI3EDfVO8

Cosmo
s

Hi Cosmo,

I very much appreciate your briefed down views based up research..
You seem one of the more experts on this topic who have been keen to look into this...

If it is purely manmade with no ET technology....that would seem quite an achievement for mankind if it works as we may envision, as what we may think of as a Flying Saucer...and anti gravity type abilities....

QuoteBut here's what I see.  A combination of Tesla, Tesla Effect(coil), Faraday(rotating disc) and TT Brown(capacitor plates).



It may be that what this diagram shows is not alien technology, but a combination of very earthly developments.  I do think, and the Hawk agrees, that the physics is right!

Hi astro,
Yes it would be a great achievement and I think the knowledge may have been around for a long time. 

In the video link in my previous post, Gordon and Jack Sarfatti are talking about project RAM and the team Gordon has assembled. 
When discussing the physics of the craft, they say that the physics is correct and that the "hawk" agrees. 
If that is a member of the Aviary, then that could be Ernie Kellerstrauss, who worked at Wright Patterson AFB in Ohio. 

The AVIARY:

BLUE JAY: Dr. Christopher "Kit" Green, MD, Ph.D; Chief, Biomedical Sciences Department, General Motors, former head of the CIA's UFO files at the "Weird Desk."
SEA GULL: Bruce Maccabee, Ph.D., research scientist in optical physics and laser weapons applications at the U.S. Naval Surface Weapons Lab, Maryland; MUFON physics/photo-interpretive consultant.
PELICAN: Ron Pandolfi, CIA Deputy Director for the Division of Science and Technology and current custodian of UFO files at the "Weird Desk"; may be involved in the White House initiative to promptly release UFO information to the public.
OWL: Hal Puthoff, physicist with the Institute for Advanced Research in Austin, Texas, who specializes in Zero-Point Energy, a quantum/resonance physics phenomenon with reported potential for above-unity ("free") energy.
PENGUIN: John Alexander, Ph.D, Lt. Col. U.S. Army Intelligence and Security Command Col.
HAWK: Ernie Kellerstrauss, security cleared for UFO information; worked at Wright-Patterson AFB in the 1970s and reportedly lived with an extraterrestrial for a while.
CHICKADEE: Cmdr. C.B. Scott Jones, Ph.D., USN (Ret.), former officer with the Office of Naval intelligence and other agencies; 30 years service in U.S. intelligence overseas; involved in government research and development projects for the Defense Nuclear Agency, Defense Intelligence Agency, Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, and other organizations; former aide to Sen. Clairborne Pell, who had had a long-standing interest in UFOs and the paranormal.
CONDOR: Capt. Bob Collins, USAF (Ret.); Special Agent, Air Force Office of Special Investigations, engaged in UFO-related intelligence operations, reportedly appeared clandestinely on the 1988 television program "UFO Cover-Up Live"
FALCON: Many have fingered Sgt. Richard "Dick" Doty, USAF (Ret.); Special Agent, Air Force Office of Special Investigations; reported to have engaged in UFO disinformation projects, including reportedly hoaxing TV producer Linda Howe concerning availability of a tape showing a UFO landing at Holloman Air Force Base, N.M. and allegedly waging psychological warfare on Albuquerque defense electronic contractor Paul Bennewitz. The actual Falcon was a DIA agent with a Slavic name who died in 2001. Only Bill Moore and Greg Bishop know who this person is as far as we know.
SPARROW: Richard Doty
RAVEN: (Identity not yet determined – actually may be two different ones.) One raven may have been Dale Graff (Raven) - Performed contract oversight for the DIA at Wright Patterson AFB. Most recently, Graff was the chief of the DIA's Defense Technology/Special department. Second RAVEN appears to be a kingpin. Jamie Shandera dealt with him.
PARTRIDGE?: Jacques Vallee, Ph.D., formerly an astrophysicist with GEPAN, the French Government's UFO investigative agency, later moved to U.S. as principal investigator with Defense Department computer network projects; worked with famed astronomer Dr. J. Allen Hynek author on UFO subject.
Jack Vorona (bird name unknown) - Vorona was apparently the most covert of all the Birds. He was believed to have been a liaison between Capitol Hill and Los Alamos. Was once involved in Project Sleeping Beauty, an attempt to disable enemy troops using electromagnetic radiation.
CHICKEN LITTLE: Dan Smith, civilian UFO research/volunteer liaison with Ronald Pandolfi.

Cosmo

Thank you for explaining...I watched the video but had been unsure who Hawk was until he was mentioned at the end of it...

Interesting that that team is named after Birds as the Aviary !  :)

QuoteHi astro,
Yes it would be a great achievement and I think the knowledge may have been around for a long time. 

In the video link in my previous post, Gordon and Jack Sarfatti are talking about project RAM and the team Gordon has assembled. 
When discussing the physics of the craft, they say that the physics is correct and that the "hawk" agrees. 
If that is a member of the Aviary, then that could be Ernie Kellerstrauss, who worked at Wright Patterson AFB in Ohio. 

Quote from: astr0144 on June 18, 2014, 10:21:12 AM
Thank you for explaining...I watched the video but had been unsure who Hawk was until he was mentioned at the end of it...

Interesting that that team is named after Birds as the Aviary !  :)

Yes, interesting that there seems to be a connection with that flock.  If we connect the dots, from Gordon Novel, the Aviary, Project Ram and the Flux Liner, that would seem to indicate that the Aviary may be involved in Gordon's RAM project.  It is an impressive list and in the video he said that his team consisted of some people of significance.  I would guess that they have assembled a team that consists of the experts in areas of technology displayed in the flux liner.  Tesla, Brown, Faraday, (Farnsworth?), high voltage physics...

Cosmo

gold for both of you 8)
The unipolar inductor eh? looks just like a (forgot the name) diagram of a hf vertical antenna, or a microphone field pattern for that matter.
Sorry i will catch up one day LOL then you may gather the fruits of my (recently celebrated) 50 seasons experience on Sol 3    :D
Short answer; back engineered ET tech, or we simply discovered it ourselves, we have forgotten far more than we have learned including nukes etc, i am sure of that.....
Carry on, Team Peggy 8)

Here is something from Mark McCandlish's testimony about a guy named Mark Stambaugh and his electrogravitic work:

Well, it all started coming together when I was working at IntroVision, and John Eppolito talked about this interview that he had done with a person who had, for some reason, wound up walking up to, or near a hangar at a section of a military Air Force base. [He] had seen a flying saucer in a hangar, and then he was arrested — hauled off, blindfolded, and debriefed — this sort of thing. Then I learned that this fellow, Mark Stambough, had developed an experiment that created a kind of levitation. In some circles it's been called electrogravitic levitation, or antigravity.

What he did, apparently, was acquire a high voltage power source — a DC (direct current) power source, and he took a couple of quarter-inch-thick copper plates about a foot in diameter, with a lead coming out of the middle of each one at the top and the bottom. [Then], he basically embedded them in a type of plastic resin like polycarbonate or Plexiglas, or some other kind of clear resin where you could see the plates, and you could see the material. Apparently, he did everything he could to get all the little air bubbles and stuff out of there, so there wouldn't be any pathways for the electricity to break down the material and arc through them. The experiment was to see how much voltage you could put on this capacitor — the sub-plate capacitor — in this arrangement; how much voltage could you put on this thing before the insulating material begins to just break down?

Well, he got up to about a million volts, and the thing would begin to float, and it floated in accordance with principles that had been described in a patent that was filed back in the late 1950s/early 1960s by a gentleman called Thomas Townsend Brown. Brown and another individual by the name of Dr. Biefield had done this, so this effect became known as the Biefield-Brown effect. Well, [Stambough] apparently duplicated the experiments done by Biefield and Brown, [and] the one aspect they found about this arrangement was that the levitation or movement would occur in the direction of the positively-charged plate. So, if you had two plates, one is negative, and one is positive because of the direct current system. If you have the positive plate on top, it would move in that direction. If you had it on a pendulum, it would always swing in whatever direction the positive plate was facing.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/disclosure/briefing/disclosure14.htm

A DARK FLEET IN BLACK SPACE
PART II

Also missing were lab bench test results of an experimenter named Mark Stambaugh at the University of Arizona who, evidently being inspired by a report of a saucer that was flying out of Edwards AFB, decided to duplicate the propulsion technology and, after a little experimental effort, found that by using very heavy copper plates that were immersed in a transparent polycarbonate and using very high voltage of around a million volts that his bench prototype suddenly lifted up into the air. These results would seem unlikely to be a corona effect of sharp points and wires as the copper plates, surrounded by clear dielectric, seem unlikely to be generating enough ion wind to conceivably be the cause of the levitation.

However, those who seem to monitor public efforts noticed something about the cause of the levitation that caught their attention as unknown parties who claimed that, under the national security act of 1947, they had the right to confiscate this prototype device, which subsequently disappeared. This is of considerable interest for a device generating life via "ion wind."

In addition this experimenter was warned not to inventany more devices generating such "ion wind."

http://www.antigravity.it/18032009.htm

"warned not to inventany more devices generating such "ion wind"

Ion wind must be dangerous!   :o

This does sound like the configuration in the flux liner.  Using copper plates is a different twist on Brown's electrogravitic work. 

Cosmo

I'm still trying to get this thread built so be patient and get your yt downloader ready.the movie I just saw is the best documentary ever.it just came out and it is 100% the bomb.I know I'm prone to exageration,but I guarantee this is it.so now to post the link or you can go to GLP and look about 2/3 down the page and find a thread w alien video.this is it guys.its very similar to my theories only its the real deal description.the flux liner is real.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2599060/pg1

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQfofTXIvb8

I hope this makes up for me being a prick.

Makes you more of a dick for me Robo, I canny access both those things! Lol

I'm only kiddin on, can I nudge you for a description?

a hour and a half detailed history and detailed engineering of the flux liner.a FTL space ship.mostly narrated by a contract military hardware artist.a lot of the parts have been seen but this guy puts it all together into a comprehensible order.only one thing I disagree with is their use of zero point energy term.its just tapping into charge and magnetism of the atoms of space.its all there and I'm sure you will like it.
oh and to make it spooky,the guy who produced it died right after completion.

Quote from: robomont on July 23, 2014, 04:48:22 PM
[youtube]http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQfofTXIvb8[youtube]

Was this an ooopsy?

yea I've tried five times to get correct link posted .godlike productions has it posted towards top of page with a green pin now.if somebody could find a way to direct link to this page it would be helpful.my darn android tablet can be a pain sometimes when I really need it most.

lol
Would this help?

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=6359.0

C

I bow with humility Cosmo.yes that's it.I wasn't able to watch the vid before due to tech issues.sorry to those who have already seen it.

Cosmo found it first.this is the real deal.

Cheers Robo, cheers C,

I'm having tech difficulties for the foreseable future.. Does this video simply explore Tech or does it certainly prove ET?

As there is a difference you know ;)

when I mean disclosure,I mean the tech.they do show the skinny Bob vid .but its more of almost all I talk about on first pegasus experiment.its like they took my ideas and made a documentary.plus added piles more.vimanas,German tech.way more detailed prints and descriptions.even stuff I haven't seen and I've seen a lot.
usually I don't take zero point seriously but between my theories and that bid .I'm 99% sure gravity is a combination of two functions,magnetism and charge combined.the zero point just means that our reality is made of this function.even in the dark regions of space,the atomic structure does not break down.which means that there is no true absolute vacuum in space but hydrogen atoms expanded to the max.
the video even goes into FTL.which is new holy grail.and explains in detail,how it works,it also basically recycles energy to get to this point.that's why it doesn't need to have a giant engine.basically the utmost efficient transportation there is.

what this means is humans should possibly be able to make small versions of this tech to power everything and no need to buy energy.

And of course the inventor's group have done absolutely nothing with it, so GLP is the place to go, right?

Cosmo posted the O.P. months ago, we have covered every aspect of this craft, it's age, origins, materials & of course the nature of the drive system.
That thread is members only i'm afraid, until we have made significant progress on it. Otherwise anyone could come along & plagarise it :P

There are as many different ways of reaching lightspeed as there are ways of generating electricity, at least 5 to date. Until recently we did not have this level of info on the Flux-liner. The next step is a materials list (especially the vapour & the dielectrics) and a scale model, with 8-12 plates instead of 128.

Oh, didn't we mention that? Sorry ;D

That (and other threads) will get moved to the I.G. public area once there is A) significant progress, and B) enough interested parties here.

I repeat: here, and nowhere else. You are all of course quite welcome to post on other sites, most of you do, but original research remains so unless you want PRC to be last in the ratings instead of the top 10

There are only 2 peeps i know of who have reached the level we have, who are not Peggy members. Good luck to them ;)

the video will not download to androids or mobiles.i figured this out yesterday.only regular computers.as both my samsung and now my tablet are both android.that is why.for some reason.glp has a method to watch these type vids without issues.thats why i was able to see it the otherday.i dont know if its there software or what.i couldnt even go directly to yt.when i attempt to watch anything on yt.it locks up after three to five minutes but if i click on something that has been linked from sa y yt to pegasus,i can usually watch the whole thing.the message i recieve is this video has not been formatted for mobile devices.it happened on cosmo thread and yt.but not glp.
currently i spend more time on glp because they have more threads and guest.if its ufo related or moon related.i usually say something about pegasus research consortium to skim a few folks over to here.my guess is im getting about 1% of their members to come here and browse.so if there was a graph of views on pegasus.my guess is you would see little spikes of where i mention something about pegasus.
the problem is finding real talent for pegasus.not fly by nights.

the co creator of the vid was just on glp.he is a graphics designer.ive invited him over,as we desparately need one.i also invited over anybody with ufo vid to come over and have it analyzed and validated.
he says hes having a hard time getting video distributed to the masses and doesnt want to pour more money into its distribution.

Nice video, easy to watch...and it seems the secret here would lie in what dielectric was used in the capacitor plate array not so much the number of plates....basically a lifter meets a tesla coil,with a flywheel to keep the current steady and even....and also to act as a gyroscopic stabilizer at the same time.

It would pull itself into its path instead of pushing itself into the path.....sort of like a lifter doesnt push up, it lifts....sounds simple...might even be affordable to duplicate.

Guys, do you think it would be a viable project to build a scale model of?

Quote from: robomont on July 24, 2014, 05:38:35 PM
...he is a graphics designer.ive invited him over,as we desparately need one.

i just got banned at glp.the op of thread just got banned too.they just started deleting post also.tavistock at its best.trying to find contact info on bollide productions.

i agree with some of what you say.i think the capacitor setup is the main driver of apparatus.the dialectrics of the 50's were bakelite ,glass,maybe something i havent thought of.
if you notice the cap sections are separated by more dialectric.the vid gives thicknesses.i bet we could come close to finding out the exact cappacitance.
the vid is wrong about the voltage as millions of volts would breakdown the dialectric.try not to over think this machine
.military absolutely tries to keep things simple with no real rare materials as if mass production is needed ,they dont want shortages.and in the fifties they didnt have access to alot of fancy materials.

@thor,he does 3d animations.

a shill over there said a wma file attaches when you go to peggy.what is a wma file?

You probably got banned for linking to Peggy  :P

ETA: Yea, they've removed that post too. Naughty Robo.

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2599060/pg8 (http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2599060/pg8)if you dont mind sinny ,would you post that i just got banned.at bottom of thread.

if you dont want to ,i understand.

yes your probably right but the link is still up. :)

Quote from: robomont on July 24, 2014, 07:05:32 PM
a shill over there said a wma file attaches when you go to peggy.what is a wma file?

It's just the website music that will load with windows media player.

thankyou El.

if admins and cosmo wish.could this be merged with cosmos thread as it was a mistake on my part.

Quote from: robomont on July 24, 2014, 07:03:54 PM
@thor,he does 3d animations.

didnt i just see a51 and deuem analyze and validate a vid from that rock star last night?

i agree with le that there is some form of gyroscopic stablization going on there.
but i think the cap plates are aluminum and i bet the voltage is in the 10-20 thousand volt range.but the cap plates is the big givaway.this means these craft have a very high current.because there is no high energy source shown,then this means the current is recycled.if we have a good estimate of the capacitance then we will know how much current is needed.once we have that then the rest is a piece of cake ,imho.
if it is true that ambient atmosphere powers it then we just took a giant leap towards amy's free energy dream.this vid may put us over the top.

i doubt this craft can be downsized but i wont bet on it.if it can be downsized alot.then free energy is ours.we just need a bunch of 20,000 volt capacitors.

ive always thought we should be a contract think tank.i know my ufo tech skills have improved alot.
as far as high voltage dc goes.im one of the best from what ive searched on the net.ive read alot of books on it going all the way back to the 1890's.one book i checked out of the newyork public library had not been checked out since 1934.that was in 1997.

Quote from: robomont on July 24, 2014, 07:41:53 PM
if admins and cosmo wish.could this be merged with cosmos thread as it was a mistake on my part.

Yes robo, unless there are objections it needs to be merged.


seeker

thankyou seeker.he desrves it,it was his find and im greatful.

when the flack is heaviest is when your over target.

Quote from: robomont on July 24, 2014, 07:21:26 PM
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2599060/pg8 (http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2599060/pg8)if you dont mind sinny ,would you post that i just got banned.at bottom of thread.

if you dont want to ,i understand.

yes your probably right but the link is still up. :)

Just reading this post now Robo lol.
Sorry for the delay.

http://deepfriedneon.com/tesla_cap1.html (http://deepfriedneon.com/tesla_cap1.html)this is a link to capacitor thickness and value.if you notice on the fluxliner.the plates are very close together.if i remember correctly.the video said .75 inches.as im blocked from seeing vid.all i can do is go by memory.the site above gives a general descrition of voltage versus dialectric thickness.so give me a minute and maybe i can come up with actual voltage of craft.the description is in mils and not inches.

(.075÷.001) x 160 volts=120,000 volts dc.that is the maximum voltage that that craft can produce safely.there is probably a safety factor added in.if it was me ,it would be 30% less .so i would say 80,000 volts dc.these should be absolutes in stp atmosphere.
i dont know current yet but a vande graff generator for four hundred bucks could power this.
now to figure out capacitance of those multiple stack plates.i can get surface are done easily but dont remember capacitance formulas.maybe pwm or le can help us out in that area.

Ok I tried to post and it did not make through so I will try again.

Quotehigh current.because there is no high energy source shown,then this means the current is recycled

This current recycleing has been talked about in the IG  ??? 8) :P

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link so i dont have to dig through piles.

ok ,i see whats up.i didnt watch vid but saw the pics of fluxliner earlier in the week.thats why i was able to comment.after reading the entire thread again and the benefit of finally seeing the movey.im more sure than ever of whats going on.
now you guys can call it zero point or ether or whatever you want .but here is my own personal opinion.

its what ive been saying for a while now.its a ion wind setup with a magnetic solinoid like i suggested should go on the lifter .
basically the two main functions of gravity,charge and magnetism.the added bonus of this machine ,the capacitor plate setup.now i will go along with it maybe being a tank circuit.i wont debate that part.but the rest is just a vimanna engine only fancier.same thing im building.
after getting a detailed view of the top.you can see the probe and insulator at the top.same thing i just added to mine.

if this unit works off the ambient charge in the air,then the tank circuit/capacitor plates are the icing on the cake.this is the direction ,i suggest we  go towards.
imho.and thankyou for your patience with me cosmo.this is great thread.

think i got it figured ou.its a one way tank circuit and the balls on bottom that control  direction are radient receivers.

Quote from: robomont on July 25, 2014, 04:17:51 AM
ok ,i see whats up.i didnt watch vid but saw the pics of fluxliner earlier in the week.thats why i was able to comment.after reading the entire thread again and the benefit of finally seeing the movey.im more sure than ever of whats going on.
now you guys can call it zero point or ether or whatever you want .but here is my own personal opinion.

its what ive been saying for a while now.its a ion wind setup with a magnetic solinoid like i suggested should go on the lifter .
basically the two main functions of gravity,charge and magnetism.the added bonus of this machine ,the capacitor plate setup.now i will go along with it maybe being a tank circuit.i wont debate that part.but the rest is just a vimanna engine only fancier.same thing im building.
after getting a detailed view of the top.you can see the probe and insulator at the top.same thing i just added to mine.

if this unit works off the ambient charge in the air,then the tank circuit/capacitor plates are the icing on the cake.this is the direction ,i suggest we  go towards.
imho.and thankyou for your patience with me cosmo.this is great thread.

My pleasure robo.  I am glad that the flux liner is getting some attention. 

I am fighting a substantial flu bug and will return when I am through this.

Day number 5 of this and I am definitely not at my best.   :P

Cosmo

If anybody out there knows about the Cash-Landrum UFO case, the vehicle the two women witnessed kinda resembled the Nazi Bell. It gave off a bright glow at the bottom and hovered upright just like the bell. The two women later experienced symptoms almost like radiation sickness. I've read somewhere that when Mercury vapor is  exposed to high voltage, it gives off ultraviolet rays, which in high doses can burn your skin like severe sunburn. So this Mercury is subjected to high voltage which then turns into a plasma, then using a magnetic field inside the bell, the plasma can be contained and kept active by pumping in microwaves ( i think ) then somehow this plasma can be manipulated  to move in one direction which in this case is "up" towards the top of the bell's interior where the plasma pushes against the magnetic containment field producing a lifting effect. However, there is no mention of a "antigravity" field  being generated. Any ideas?  8)

Hey Robo

I don't know if I should post a link on the open fourm So I wont. That is currently in the IG.

PWM would have to talk about putting it in the open.

That is the current recirculation that is.

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i think others would be blocked but im not sure how the code works.

my guess is the craft may put off both xrays and uv.they almost overlap in frequency when you look at the emf spectrum chart.then you can also see the voltage range on that chart too.this tells you the voltage the certain craft is using at that moment in time.probably in the fluxliner.as i said the voltage max valueearlier in the thread..this is probably in deep space.which means that it may use cosmic rays as thrust in deep space or at ftl or both.

Quote from: onetruekeeper on July 25, 2014, 11:19:41 PM
If anybody out there knows about the Cash-Landrum UFO case, the vehicle the two women witnessed kinda resembled the Nazi Bell. It gave off a bright glow at the bottom and hovered upright just like the bell. The two women later experienced symptoms almost like radiation sickness. I've read somewhere that when Mercury vapor is  exposed to high voltage, it gives off ultraviolet rays, which in high doses can burn your skin like severe sunburn. So this Mercury is subjected to high voltage which then turns into a plasma, then using a magnetic field inside the bell, the plasma can be contained and kept active by pumping in microwaves ( i think ) then somehow this plasma can be manipulated  to move in one direction which in this case is "up" towards the top of the bell's interior where the plasma pushes against the magnetic containment field producing a lifting effect. However, there is no mention of a "antigravity" field  being generated. Any ideas?  8)

First off, welcome, onetruekeeper  8) I believe if you dig into the available data from Cash-Landrum it is a very good possibility that was a black ops test craft using nuclear propulsion; both of the ladies had all the symptoms of radiation sickness, and if I remember correctly both also passed from cancer...

Die Glocke on the other hand reportedly used very high voltage combined in some manner with mercury and supposedly killed several of the original scientists developing it...

carry on and welcome aboard...
edit to add: follow this link and you will find many files on the Nazi programs including Die Glocke...http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47brotherthebig/index.html

seeker

microwaves would just bounce off mercury.the capacitor plates ignite the mercury plasma generator.once it fires up that first time.like a mercury vapor bulb starter circuit.then it stays running off the radient reciever domes on the bottom.these continue to charge the capacitor plates.which feed the mercury engine.which charges the coil. the positive ions go up to the collector pin at top of engine and out of craft.the positive ions travel downward around craft, giving thrust momentarily,because they are 1800 times larger than electrons.the magnetic coil magnifies pulling the ions inward and resonating the engine.i remember pwm suggesting this may happen with my machine.
the ions then recycle back into the balls on bottom.this causes more ions from ambient air to be sucked into the machine.its not totally free energy but as close as we will probably ever come.

the rotating plate is actually two.these are for gyroscopic stablization.once the craft is in space.these are turned off so that craft can align to the field .so its going in a up trajectory instead of in a sideways or angle.basically the pilot can take his hand off the steering ball and just use the throttle.

i think they are fibbing about the steering balls function.i think it works like the inside mirror adjustment for a door mirror.with three or four cables attacked to the cup.when the cup/toggel is moved.it moves a probe on top that the photons come off of.just by leaning this probe just a little will make the charged field distort just enough for angled thrust.

Thank you Seeker for the link. Also I am having second thoughts about that spinning disk under the pilot seats. I think the disk is not really a gyroscope after all. For one thing it's rather large don't you think? Perhaps that innocuous looking disk is really a major component of a warp drive. I read some articles by Rho Sigma who published some books on antigravity propulsion. Many years ago some Russian physicists did some experiments with spinning disks and found to their amusement that objects placed near the spinning disk would gain or lose weight in small amounts. That could mean that the gravity field was being warped in some way. The curious placement of the disk in the upper section of the fluxliner suggests that when the disk is spinning, the gravity at the top end could be warped or deflected away from the craft while the gravity on the lower half of the ship is normal. That would create an imbalance and would likely move the fluxliner in the direction of the weaker side ( top side ).  What do you think?

@ one true keeper.,welcome to pegasus.show me science that backs up your theory,all of my theories above have real science to back it up.im not saying my stuff is final say but i need some kind of proof  to convince me otherwise.on this thread and ''first pegasus experiment ''thread,we have published works from wikipedia and current experimenters.
i admit i speculate sometimes but as of right now ,i think the issue of how ufos work is done.
when le pointed out the tank circuit and i reeducated myself on it.it all came together.
so i issue a challenge to you to prove my theory wrong.i dont bite as long as you put a true effort into it.

Hello  onetruekeeper.

Intresting 8) One thing that got my attention was.

QuoteMany years ago some Russian physicists did some experiments with spinning disks and found to their amusement that objects placed near the spinning disk would gain or lose weight in small amounts.

Spinning disks = flywheel to me ???

Learning about this concept is a project I am working on 8)

Hello again and welcome

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mass= energy.a spinning mass has more kinetic energy than a stopped mass,thus less mass.

if the air is dry and the disk is a dialectric then charge can be slung off.this charge could effect near by objects.thus changing the charge /to magnetism ratio.which i say is all gravity is.

Robo
Easy on the new guy ;)

Rotating mass have some very interesting properties ???

Think of this way.

E=mc^2 via/by the way of 1/2mv^2

That is what I am thinking ;)

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Quotemass= energy.a spinning mass has more kinetic energy than a stopped mass,thus less mass.

Agreed

Magnetism is another current study. I cant agree or disagree because I have not studied it it enough :( Working on it.

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Cool your jets, Robo; let onetruekeeper have time and opportunity to express his views; while I understand that validation is always a good thing, it is as much up to you to disprove as to him to prove; empirical science has been proven to be wrong many times; that is why it is scientific theory for the most part...


seeker

yes back your formula is correct.

i thought i was being nice.ill try harder. ::)

Quote from: robomont on July 26, 2014, 11:08:32 PM
yes back your formula is correct.

i thought i was being nice.ll try harder. ::)

Thanks, robo, it is appreciated; we are all in this together, and together we as a group can do many wonderous things if we apply ourselves and work with each other...


seeker

Hi guys,

Still under the weather.  Saw the observations about the disc.  I have been wanting to go into this, but I'll drop it here now. 

Henry W. Wallace:
"Concerning Mass Dynamic Interactions"

(31 January 1983)

According to Wallace's patents, bodies made of carefully chosen materials generate an energy field when placed in rapid relative motion. This field is not electromagnetic and was christened by the inventor as a Kinemassic Forcefield. If this kinemassic field is made to undulate, a secondary gravitational field is produced which can neutralize gravity.

http://www.rexresearch.com/wallace/wallace.htm

Also don't forget the unipolar inductor model of a galaxy I posted here earlier.  Similar to a Faraday generator.  It's in the flux liner too!  It is following nature's model!

Numerous principles at work here and it's such an amzing combination of them into one "circuit" as Gordon called it.

Recent image of me...

(https://curatingchildhood.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/sick-stimpy.png)

All i got energy for at the moment...

Back to bed!

Cosmo

that flu looked bad enough to jump into my computer.get well cosmo.

Quote from: onetruekeeper on July 26, 2014, 09:30:43 PM
Thank you Seeker for the link. Also I am having second thoughts about that spinning disk under the pilot seats. I think the disk is not really a gyroscope after all. For one thing it's rather large don't you think? Perhaps that innocuous looking disk is really a major component of a warp drive. I read some articles by Rho Sigma who published some books on antigravity propulsion. Many years ago some Russian physicists did some experiments with spinning disks and found to their amusement that objects placed near the spinning disk would gain or lose weight in small amounts. That could mean that the gravity field was being warped in some way. The curious placement of the disk in the upper section of the fluxliner suggests that when the disk is spinning, the gravity at the top end could be warped or deflected away from the craft while the gravity on the lower half of the ship is normal. That would create an imbalance and would likely move the fluxliner in the direction of the weaker side ( top side ).  What do you think?

Welcome Onetrue, sorry i missed this, i was busy :)
But you are not wrong; The high UV radiation is of course not good for us, and it seems that the original Flux-Liners were coated in some kind of gloopy paint, probably containing lead ;)

Hey i will get back shortly on this, i forgot where this thread was, LOL, but yes, this tech can be replicated, and we have a great bunch of minds here who can-and will- make it happen.
Welcome to the nuthouse think-tank! ;D

ETA: The 2 russians in question were called Godin & Roschin, we have some interesting papers from them here in the Inventor's Group.
This is invitation only, but feel free to browse the public group Here (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?board=194.0) and let us know what you think, i can send detailed info via email if you want... ;)

Robo, I am pleased that you are taking a interest in some of the things I mentioned. As for providing scientific proof or documentation, that might take awhile. I used to own tons of books on ufo's and alternative energy and so forth but I sold them all a few years ago and now I use mostly the internet for "research" materials and that is where I believe you can also find what you need if you dig around. As for your interest in the T. Townsend Brown device, I believe a great deal of experimentation was already done in the past and the conclusion was that it doesn't work... :'(   If somehow they managed to make it work then it's buried very deep in the black ops world and I wouldn't go there if I were you with all due respect.
The lifter devices you see on You Tube is basically  elctrostatic  in it's operation. It makes a interesting and somewhat dangerous toy for the inventive person but not likely will it be used for anything practical imho. The other thing is with patents. There are probably thousands of patent applications for "antigravity" inventions. Even if you could build a prototype, chances are someone already came up with the idea. The one area of faster than light travel that might be still open for opportunities is in the area of hyperspace travel. Since hyperspace is outside of space and time, getting to it may not have to involve the use of technology. If you read the accounts of  ufo contactee Billy Meier, the female E.T. named Semjase told Billy that they use "beam ships" to enter into hyperspace or null space as they call it and in that strange dimension they can use it to travel to any point in our universe in an instant. The bizarre thing about it is that the ship and the pilot has to undergo a instantaneous and catastrophic implosion in order to reach hyperspace. Sounds kinda scary to me. Hyperspace is also supposed to be a non-physical realm where one exists as pure consciousness. She also told Billy that there are some E.T.'s that don't need ships or technology to enter hyperspace and use only the power of their minds.

Quote from: robomont on July 25, 2014, 11:52:26 PM
i think others would be blocked but im not sure how the code works.

my guess is the craft may put off both xrays and uv.they almost overlap in frequency when you look at the emf spectrum chart.then you can also see the voltage range on that chart too.this tells you the voltage the certain craft is using at that moment in time.probably in the fluxliner.as i said the voltage max valueearlier in the thread..this is probably in deep space.which means that it may use cosmic rays as thrust in deep space or at ftl or both.

Hi Robo :D
Yes there would be extreme radiation at several frequencies, but UV is far removed from x-rays, but no less damaging.....
I think they can pretty much regulate the frequency of the drive, but the UV is a harmful side effect (especially so in a nitrogen-rich atmosphere as ours) and that the paint job was a quick remedy, rather than going to the source of the problem and rectifying that; it is a classic example of retro-engineering, by all those bright peeps fresh out of university who don't know poop about the real world. I think we can all agree on that?
;D

QuoteIf somehow they managed to make it work then it's buried very deep in the black ops world and I wouldn't go there if I were you with all due respect.

Been there, done that.

Please PM me, i can give you additional info, we have more of TTB's works than anyone has ever seen before.
Stuff is going on that gets peeps killed, yes.
We are fully aware of that, and we also have some guardian angels.
Make use of it, post your thoughts & ideas my freind, we will not laugh at you, many of the things you speak of, are true, sadly....
-PWM-

biting tongue,blood gushing from mouth,brain     about     to       explode.

Remember this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qbE04FsvnI

Like i said, we DO the research......

FYI...  I now have a 3D program and will be able to animate at some point once the remembering is complete (been a decade-ish since I had a 3D program...).

Quote from: the seeker on July 26, 2014, 11:13:47 PM
Thanks, robo, it is appreciated; we are all in this together, and together we as a group can do many wonderous things if we apply ourselves and work with each other...


seeker

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlCPkmb6cuY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlCPkmb6cuY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlCPkmb6cuY)

already exceded monthly minuts so got to wait till next month to watch vids.lol.i watched zp final cut three times to get all the goodies.blew away my gigs.

you can do it amy!!!
does it do animation?
can still post but speed is reeeeeeal slow. :-X

@amy i read your post too quickly.yea 3d animation.if you get it figured out ,i see you with piles of gold in your future.plus i see possible employment oppurtunities for you too.

on the rexresearch guy.i dont feel good about that.first,i just dont trust rex,second,my gut tells me somethings a little off but im not willing to be closed minded about it just yet.

just watched alien files and they mention the battle of los angeles,i wonder if thats the german fluxliner .

Ah..good. The site is back. I was going to discuss several hours ago about the possibility of a experiment that some people might want to try which is about a way to communicate instantly over long distances without using radio or light waves and is easy to get started and not that expensive. If it works it could be useful in interstellar communications. The other subject was on torroidal magnetic fields and how it might be the key to constructing a portable hyperspace portal which could be used for teleportation. It could be something that Robo with his technical skills might be able to build.  But I am too tired now and will try later on. Cheers!

I would suspect that a toroidal pathway would take too much energy to open.cheaper to use a craft.plus the acceleration through something like that ,may turn oneself into atoms that cannot be reassembled

Robo, please just wait until I give full details about how this could work. It is quite simple and does not require that much energy. Cheers!

Sure.could you please start it in its own thread,if you need help,we would be happy to help.that way the zp thread doesn't get cluttered.we try to keep the threads clean and organized.it doesn't always work out that way though.lol

Thank you Robo 8)
He's welcome to post in the I.G. public or in the alternative energy/space drive area, sounds interesting, something we can do hands-on experiments with, get back to you guys later.
Carry on.... ;D

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_cyclotron_resonance (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_cyclotron_resonance)so I'm browsing and saw this mention of microwave and figured I see what it said.

Well further down the page it has a comment about ions and how they need to have larger kinetic energy than the atom they are hitting,to move the atom.so basically a collision.
So what this means is the ions aren't bonding with the atmosphere,just slamming into them.
This could be the reason for the resonance.because as these ions lose their energy.they need to be reenergized to do it again.
The longer the magnetic field is on ,the more kinetic energy builds up from acceleration.but if its on too long then the ion is lost to the atmosphere through too far a distance to be recovered by the ball/domes on bottom of craft.if the cycles are too short,then the ions don't get enough kinetic energy to move the atmospheric atoms.just bouncing off them or being absorbed would be my guess.
If I remember.70 hz was best for lifters.

So the more lit up a craft is.the less efficient it may be.IMHO.as those are the ions that are absorbed and produce photons/light and basically lost.
If this is true then the total energy needed could be close to what the light energy out put is.for example.if the craft looks as bright as a 1000 watt bulb then times two because there is light on other side of craft.so basically the loss would only be 2000 watts per hour.

Robo, is gravity a pulling force or a pushing force? For instance, are we being pulled from the planet itself or are we being pushed against the planet by gravity waves from all around us. The planet in that case is acting as a gravity damper which is reducing the gravity waves coming from the opposite side of the planet from where we stand?

  Gravity has to be an attractive force other wise in space it would push you around and we don't see that.  The more mass the more gravity.  If gravity pushed then we would get the same reading no matter where one was.  Hence time at the center of a gravity well is slow, on the surface ( Earth ) normal and in true space faster.

  True time should be deep space time where there is zero gravity.  I have been told by several Scientologists that it is a pushing force but I will keep my stance as an attraction force.  The only thing I know for sure is, if I drop an egg, it will hit the floor and break.  Meaning no one has the answer yet.  When we do, we will fly around in anything we want.

i think it is both,lets look at some examples.the caduceus coil and the fluxliner.both have a positive and negative charge.and both have a magnetic field.i suspect all atoms have a magnetic field.in some atoms.the magnetic field is so weak,its hard to measure but its there.just as with some atoms the charge is too small to measure.its this atom a (charge /magnetism) to atom b(charge /magnetism ) ratio.the bigger ratio atom would move the least and the other atom would move towards the other.

it would be a similar argument to say the the tallest guy will always win the fight.which is not true.its the height to speed ratio of the two guys.and if there is enough distance,the two guys are no longer fighting.lol.imho.

Gravity is a differential in current density, and when these differentials meet, we see a pinch effect, resulting in the beginning of new mass.

Mass does not cause gravity, it is an effect of current density differentials ocuring within localized field interactions.

Plasma, visible and non visible light, and Nebula creation is the result of this meeting, and eventually celestial bodies are the result of continued interaction of these differentials.

As an effect, whether it pulls you or pushes you is relative to your proximity to the most dominant field interaction, which for now is the Earth center versus  the Sun center.......the Sun emits more current density than Earth as it is younger than tne Earth, hence you are pushed into the ground.Someday Earth will degrade into a dead planet, or moon, leaving the Sun able to transition into its next phase of existence, likely towards becoming a planet.

Oh crap, here it comes..... :)

Cheers!
Le

Oh yeah...Robo is correct, it is both...or can be.

 I posted a thread in Earth Sciences / Crystal Energy/ and it's called Crystal Communication Experiment.
Enjoy!

Robo, please check the inventors / maybe free energy forum. I posted something there. Cheers!

"All is vibration"....N. Tesla

In trying to define all the dimensionals involved, i am struck by charge & rotation as being extremely significant. I also posted a thread on 'dimensional analysis' as being the perfect tool for the job, pity MIT don't use it ::)
In fact some scientists argue that 'charge' is a dimension in itself, i lean towards that theory because it ites in well with ZPE/Aether theory, as we know it today.

I will have to post those books real soon,when i find them again ::P

Here's (yet another techno) vid i made, read the text in the film ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lyEwaO0u98

Sorry, but i like techno, and they can't ban me for copyright infringement (a favourite trick) because it's all my own music, LOL

Luke.....awesome mesmerizing video mate!

Spin, creation versus annihilation, the very wheelwork of nature indeed.

We must seek to do what nature does, pinchpoints between those little ball lightnings of yours...and boom, a star is born!

Quantum to me does not supply the answers....dimension does.

Gold buddy, for mixing art, music, and technology, youre a real rennaissance man mate!

We can watch matter accrete into patterns on a chladni plate, therefore it is clear vibration is at the core of mass creation since mass is made up of crystalline geometrical form and fields. No electricity seems to be used in a chladni plate test, yet the interaction of sand grains does have a certainty of channeling electrostatic electricity into the form which appears at a certain frequency.

So, what is the lesson here? Im hunting for that in my mind.....

During cymatic experiments, not only have sand grains been relocated into patterns, but an effect of this forming is likely that some sort of charge and attraction is being seen beyond the typical electrostatic attraction phenomenon.

So, does a chladni pattern indicate a specific type or manifestation of testable electricity, and do the differing patterns show that electricity and charge are related to shape, form or frequency?

And, when that form manifests, is there some sort of dimensional side effect, which allows for the grains to dimensionally relocate in plain sight, even though their relocation seems so innocuous and simple?

In all, my question would be, what is the relation to form, vibration, and electricity beyond the standard science based "knowledge" and observation?

I know I am not the builder some are here, and often, my replies go ignored for whatever reasons certain members see fit to ignore them, but I am sharing thoughts and ideas which I feel could be of importance, even though my shop and bench has been the site of little activity recently due to many circumstances.

I only hope those who arent replying, or ignore me, do try to think about what I am sharing in their busy day, I care, I truly do.

Le

Searching google and this came up....boy what a long path my research has taken me on.....through many approaches and theories and guesswork....failures and successes.

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=1583.0

Seems its been in my head for a while.....

 :)

well now your talking.
good luck finding a magnet pro.back has been the one going in that direction.
you just say ,i want this and it needs x.first you have to ask the question,is it possible with the tech available.

Quote from: robomont on July 29, 2014, 06:07:58 PM
well now your talking.
good luck finding a magnet pro.back has been the one going in that direction.
you just say ,i want this and it needs x.first you have to ask the question,is it possible with the tech available.

Okay, thanks! If you could build it for me then you get first dibs on any offer from a venture capitalist..LOL

what does pegasus get for doing all the grunt work?

 8)

Quote from: robomont on July 29, 2014, 06:55:29 PM
what does pegasus get for doing all the grunt work?

We could negotiate their percentage...LOL

start a thread called onetruekeepers ramblings or some other title.i will no longer post on this thread unless its directly related to zp thread.

 8) Robo, I deleted the posts you found inappropriate for this thread. You can find them at Inventors and Of Quantum Leaps and Paradigm Shifts...cheers!

Thanks L.E.
Especially;

QuoteSo, does a chladni pattern indicate a specific type or manifestation of testable electricity, and do the differing patterns show that electricity and charge are related to shape, form or frequency?

And, when that form manifests, is there some sort of dimensional side effect, which allows for the grains to dimensionally relocate in plain sight, even though their relocation seems so innocuous and simple?

Yes, now we are getting to the very bones of the matter

During my cymatic tests (for another project) i noticed that the grains would adopt certain roles, i would have expected the bigger ones to not move around much, and the smaller ones to jump all over the place, but there was very little sign of this.

Instead they quickly formed themselves into groups irrespective of size, some were so active, they actually stacked up on each other, they all wanted to be in the same place.
Others would just hang around in 'no-man's land', not joining the others in the pattern forming process.

A few, less than 10%, seemed to be able to change their minds at random and wander from one pattern-line to the next, stay awhile, then move on.

Several times i got a perfect twin spiral galaxy shape!

Not at all what i expected, i did see discordant tones produce odd shapes with right angles in them, and more pleasing tones made spirals & oval shapes.

'relocating in plain sight' indeed.....

Lots of new thoughts are popping up like flowers, i had an interesting chat with Deuem where he mentioned an idea for using light as a power transfer medium. Not electrical or thermal, but actual mechanical force.

Matrix says that light is the medium used to alter the 'program' or 'matrix' that we actually live in, not this self-invented 3-d landscape we find ourselves in. I made that film before i got here, and even then it seemed to me that 'dimensions' such as time and distance really have no meaning at all.
All is energy, all is vibration.
Even a nanoparticle of lead on my workshop floor, has rest energy. That is, the amount of energy required to keep all those sub-particles in one place, posing as a piece of lead.
This energy is not only the so-called nuclear strong force, but gravity, & all other forces & maybe even time itself. Call it ZPE, aether etc

My own area being more electrical, i would like to begin on another experiment we mentioned ages ago; the time-forwarding of electrons, as may have been observed during prolonged HV activity, like flying a lifter for several hours or days. We even planned a test chamber designed for this very purpose.

Monopole magnets, vortices, there is just so much stuff to explore, and most of it you won't even find in any textbok, LOL
And that is why you are all here at the Research Consortium, to read about (and do) some research. Not just historical or document hunting, but actual hands-on physical research.

In my thread 'the grand plan' i outlined the necessity of Peggy becoming a comercial hit, and several other fund raising ideas, so we can start the 'Pegasus Research Foundation' which would run a small lab at a secret location, and members will be able to stay there for several weeks at a time to conduct experiments, or as Otis Carr did, have several peeps coming & going all working on one big project, like a flying disc ;D

I think that we all agree the biggest most ambitious project would be re-creating the flux-liner, i think we have enough brains here to make it work, only it will need some structure, a LOT of experimentation, and a lot of cash, either from crowdfunding or a millionaire entrenpraneur (hope thats right).

Most of this is being discussed behind the scenes, just to let you know we're not sitting on our butts.....

Failiures? Yes there are many, i would think that for every 10 experiments i do, only 1 actually works, but it is worth riding the 9 failiures to get that one success. One of my projects has been going for over 10 years already, and Back is now helping with that, he has 10 years to catch up on, but i managed to get most of that down in a few pages, Shawn is one smart cookie 8)

The one thing we want to avoid is double posting, or even double research. A lot of stuff gets posted on the net that peeps may think of as 'new' but mostly we have either done it, or have some papers frome someone who did it ;) and i hate to sound crass, but it's vitally important that we share all the info we have, including test results, failiures etc. Honesty from the start is the best policy, it's the one we use.

I can see i will have to move still more threads to the open forum, to give more peeps the chance to read it, but at the same time we will be holding something back, that's what keeps us ahead of the competition ;D

My brother & myself had a neat idea back in the 80's, it was called 'parking radar'.

That idea was stolen from us by a fake 'market research & investments' company called Ideas Unlimited.
In our youthful innocence, we sent them the complete plans. we never heard from them again........

Less than 2 years later the 'park pilot' appeared at the Birmingham motor show, made by Opel (by then it was a subsidiary of GM, who got the actual plans from us). So the next time you see those 4 little ultrasound transmitters & receivers, working on the doppler effect, remember that i have the original prototype circuit board right here in front of me, and we didn't make a single penny!

So let that be a lesson for you, i still plan to market some gadgets, nearly everything is in place, we even have permission to use the Peggy flying horse logo ;)

Sorry for the long & mostly off-topic post, but i wanted to let you all see what i see :D
OK one liners from now on, but we have 6.8 Tb yet to fill, so don't worry :P

Most of what we are discussing was posted in Lord Zorgon's classic mega (33 pages & counting!) Gold Ring (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=1641.0) thread.....well worth reading folks...

absolutely read the gold ring thread.
i bet i could build the capacitor base for 2000$.those perfectly round domes would be hard for me to find.anybody got any ideas.

Hi Robo, good call :D
I can think of only 3 options at this point, and going in order of cheapness & do-ability;
1) a geodesic type dome made from hundreds of triangular (bullet proof glass) panels in a stainless titanium frame, both being readily available & relatively cheap, hell they built the moon domes the same way, theres also plenty of silicon & titanium etc on the moon ;) ;)

2) a moulded polycarbonate dome, very strong stuff, also called plexiglass. Pricey if you have to get the mould made, but there could be something suitable already out there, you would be surprised how many 'off the shelf' products are out there you can use, i can even get custom built lasers & 1 megavolt adjustable power supplies online :o

3) and i guess this is how they did it in the 30's;
Glass, poured into a huge mould & polished, like they make the big telescope lenses, i'm talking 11 tons in one go 8)
Probably the most expensive, but glass can be made 6 times stronger than steel, it will never oxidise or degrade like the first 2, and it can have anti-UV / radiation layers built in, like the gold leaf on the cockpit windows on Concorde (rip)

Just my 2 cents, i know someone is dying to say "what about transparent aluminum?" Yeah blow me, er beam me up, Scotty :P

watching that show at this very minute.just came on.

If you compare the outline of the fluxliner to the lunar module you would see that they both look almost identical.

Wow ;D

Speechless now. Where to start?

QuoteSo, does a chladni pattern indicate a specific type or manifestation of testable electricity, and do the differing patterns show that electricity and charge are related to shape, form or frequency

So LE can you give me links to this chladni pattern ? This might be the link I need.

PWM

I am thinking that it might tie into the magnetism study we are doing.

Quotechat with Deuem where he mentioned an idea for using light as a power transfer medium. Not electrical or thermal, but actual mechanical force.

Yea but did he tell you it is kenitic energy transfer 8) Have to talk to him soon.

Bless
Back

QuoteI am thinking that it might tie into the magnetism study we are doing.

Quote
chat with Deuem where he mentioned an idea for using light as a power transfer medium. Not electrical or thermal, but actual mechanical force.

Yea but did he tell you it is kenitic energy transfer  Have to talk to him soon.

Well we used about 40 minutes chatting on that subject, that's about 10 pages here, :o
But yes the synergy is back, we are all starting to think again, i only hope i can keep up with y'all, LOL...time to crash, later 8)

Quote from: robomont on July 27, 2014, 02:51:16 AM
already exceded monthly minuts so got to wait till next month to watch vids.lol.i watched zp final cut three times to get all the goodies.blew away my gigs.

you can do it amy!!!
does it do animation?
can still post but speed is reeeeeeal slow. :-X

Yes, it animates, but I am unsure whether I have enough RAM - even after My upgrade.  I know I had a hotshot machine working for the USMC as a civvy contractor and rendering even short animations could take a day or two...  Could not do anything else on it while rendering.

for my needs,i just need a three or four second loop.

          http://www.churchmetal.com/hemispheres.html      (http://www.churchmetal.com/hemispheres.html)i dont know if those lower balls need to be bigger or not but this company has al up to 26".
i just emailed for price of dome and ball.

Robo, Pwm, are you talking about a dome for the fluxer? If I am looking at it right, tisn't a dome... it is a ball within a jello mold or inverted bundt pan shape...


(http://i47.tinypic.com/21d3dl0.jpg)


seeker

no ,im talking about the thruster/radient receivers on bottom.the vid shows them plus some old ufo pics.
back may be able to build a badass radient reciever with one.
even some of the seventies ufos had them.three ball like structures on bottom.

Quote from: robomont on July 30, 2014, 03:49:02 AM
no ,im talking about the thruster/radient receivers on bottom.the vid shows them plus some old ufo pics.
back may be able to build a badass radient reciever with one.
even some of the seventies ufos had them.three ball like structures on bottom.

ok i missed something somewhere; have to re-read the posts when i am not so tired...


seeker

these last few pages get good.imho

i take back my theory of two plates counter rotating.i thinks is one flywheel counter rotating to the natural spin of the craft.because the craft will have this spin due to the right angle of the magnetic field.the plate probably doesnt spin real fast.how its powered though is still a blank to me.

another thing i question is the mag coil.i wonder if power from the capacitor powers it or is it mercury plasma like my machine.i cant tell if thats cable or tubes.if its cable.it would short out at high voltage.the cables seem close together.maybe they are in an epoxy resin.that big coil looks like it could put off a very big magnetic field.

You know about the "diving saucer" used by Jacques Cousteau? It is a small underwater submersible that looks like a ufo. How do we know that the fluxliner isn't also a submersible?  In the video the host mentions that the door at the upper part of the sphere is like a submarine door. Why would a spacecraft need such a door? It seems to be designed to withstand outside pressures. Space is a vacuum and therefore has no pressure.  It is also rather high up and getting to it or climbing down from it could be hazardous unless you could float or swim.. Also NASA as well as other space agencies around the world also use underwater mock-ups to train astronauts to work in a zero gravity conditions. Is the fluxliner some sort of training mock-up?

(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t522/robomont/Mobile%20Uploads/Screenshot_2014-07-30-00-21-56_zpsmnefxqgs.png)this is a great em chart.notice the xrays and uv overlap.notice the 10^2 and the 10^3 energy levels .thats the voltage in dc.this falls in line with operating voltage of a mercury vapor bulb.this is radiation that most claim to experience.

its possible the fluxliner could operate in water if the salt water didnt ground it out.
when hovering on land,i suspect they used a fiberglass ladder.or stone henge.

i

Quote from: Back on July 29, 2014, 10:43:15 PM
Wow ;D

Speechless now. Where to start?

So LE can you give me links to this chladni pattern ? This might be the link I need.

PWM

I am thinking that it might tie into the magnetism study we are doing.

Yea but did he tell you it is kenitic energy transfer 8) Have to talk to him soon.

Bless
Back

Howdy, Back, Chladni patterns are many and diffuse, here is a link to them...there are countless other patterns often not mentioned or shown in images like this because they dont have such artistic features to them like these do, and they are only to be discovered through careful tuning of the input frequency generator.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cymatics

And a link on Oscillons which you will find interesting...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscillon

(http://consciouslifenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/cymatics.jpg)

As for how they might pertain to magnetics, if one can align and lock in the magnetic particles in a solid cast form, these patterns might be able to result in magnetic fields that attain similar shapes and purposes, to specific magnetic fields such as Ive seen when one applies a magnet to a curing magnetite impregnated resin form for an inductive coil core...hmmmm...thats a great thought!

Im not sure how this would be useful, but the possibilities of discovering some new features in lines of force and field experiments might be groundbreaking using these complex shapes as complex magnetic fields. Maybe you might find some lost technological secret in such an experiment...best of luck!

Could the missing link to perpetual magnetic motors be in creating a magnetic form...call it a mega or multi-pole.... with a field that mimics the vibrational creation of matter, as the motor always seeks to assemble, yet is only able to seek and never come to rest? I wonder which frequency/pattern would be best for such a motor?

Cheers,
Le

Those patterns are beautiful. If you create a magnetic torroidal bubble and are able to induce 3D patterns inside the bubble then you could possibly create a hyperspace portal or cause other weird effects to manifest. Or nothing may happen...LOL.

LE, may I inject some food for thought; those lovely patterns bear a striking resemblance to much of what is depicted as sacred geometry and mandalas...

you may be on to something interesting  8)


seeker

so obvious ,right in front of our faces.gold for seeker

arent those the same guys with the horns that move rocks.
some of the members have been doing some tibeten research.
i emailed some folks but no reply

Quote from: the seeker on August 02, 2014, 02:38:02 AM
LE, may I inject some food for thought; those lovely patterns bear a striking resemblance to much of what is depicted as sacred geometry and mandalas...

you may be on to something interesting  8)


seeker

Ive given it much thought Seeker, and had really got excited when I saw the video from that physicist who said he received mandala signals from space.....hmmm.what was that guys name?

I think if someone could communicate with us in a universal way it would be through vibration and waveforms in varying
frequencies, some too complex for human technology, perhaps the lost geometry you suggest..makes sense to me.

What also gets me thinkng is how different forms of mass and matter would react tosuch unique vibrations....possibly how mass accretes in the first place.

Once, on a whim, I placed a small flat stone on my cymatics plate, and that sucker flew across it with no resistance at all....yes Robo, those monks are definitely on to something lost to us, but held sacred to them for millenia.

Im gojng to setup the rig soon anyways, for Luke to have me do some tests.....and rest assured there will be videos and fun had by all!

Cheers!
Le

Yes, cymatics makes the geometry visible, and i see ever more proof that geometry is how the universe works.

Take the 'om' chant, at the end you see a circle inside a square, there's definitely something going on with 'sacred geometry' and peeps like Leedskalnin seem to have known this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yw13EAX3cZk

From Dr. Joe Resnick's FB post:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnm8W5DKz9M

Those Nazi flying saucers may not have been using antigravity after all. Those saucers could have been cleverly disguised ring airfoils. A ring airfoil is your basic airfoil that is circular with the leading edge towards the center and the trailing edge facing out. All you need is a jet engine in the center that will send the exhaust outward radially over the leading edge. This would produce lift. The Nazi Bell experiments could have been a Nazi attempt to produce a rocket engine that did not need to burn chemical fuels. A chemical rocket fuel is a one shot affair. But if you use high voltage to ionize a gas like hydrogen in a magnetically contained reaction chamber then the plasma will react against the magnetic field and produce thrust. The exhaust is the same hydrogen gas which can be reused.

evidence of your theory ? where does the high voltage come from?

Quote from: robomont on August 03, 2014, 06:47:49 PM
evidence of your theory ? where does the high voltage come from?

Oh come on now Robo...even the Nazi's had electrical generators powered by diesel or gasoline and other electronic marvels. Ring airfoil technology was ancient. It was used like a Frisbee for thousands of years.

Well if Joe says it's good, then...
And it sure looks like something I would have built LOL...
I want diagrams Sarge, but i prefer it looked like this;

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/inventors_group/images/ODD/inv33.JPG)


...or even this;


(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/inventors_group/images/ODD/r1-5.JPG)

..or maybe even;


(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/inventors_group/images/ODD/hiball_cad.jpg)

No moving parts... ;)

QuoteThe Nazi Bell experiments could have been a Nazi attempt to produce a rocket engine that did not need to burn chemical fuels. A chemical rocket fuel is a one shot affair

Well they were experimenting with ramjets, so it could of been one of those....

QuoteBut if you use high voltage to ionize a gas like hydrogen in a magnetically contained reaction chamber then the plasma will react against the magnetic field and produce thrust

Hmm not exactly, what it will do is push magnetically against the field that created it, now if you shaped those coils it would maybe give some lateral movement, but ejecting ionised gas has the added effect of increasing the voltage of said ions at an exponential rate as they drop behind the craft. For example if your ionised gas is at 1 million volts when it leaves the tail, it will be 10 million volts at 15-20 feet away, and will continue to increase, and thus still have influence on the craft.
That's the electro-gravitic principle at least, and uses dielectric materials as the transfer medium.

but i digress, we are still not talking unified field here, and antigravity is a bit of a misnomer, you can only have lots of it or none of it, so your UFO will need something that operates on 2 levels, a gravity nullifying one, and one for producing thrust. Ideally these are combined into one single design, as the flux-liner seems to be...

Ring-foils are still being used today in stunt planes, they are hardly going to get us to the moon, are they?

Quotewhat it will do is push magnetically against the field that created it,

...see the second picture, it works on that principle, there's a mega-huge clue for you ;)

This goes so much deeper my freind ;)

ETA: You won't find these pics anywhere else on the net, i guarantee it ;)

The last picture on the bottom looks like a fusion reactor.

yes it is, Deuterium / Tritium pellets! ;D
Fired by microwave induced lasers, an old one i admit, but still on the official secrets list
Can you identify the other two?
Gold for each one you can identify, mate 8)

ETA: While you're at it, try a 'Helium-3' search on this very site, you might even find the pictures i blocked.. ;)

To clarify about the blocked pics, it was not even the content of the pics themselves that are secret, someone showed me pics of parts of the nuclear powered plane they fished out of the sea, it is not even the names of the companies & individuals behind these operations, it is the DATES on these documents that may shock you, and i can't even post those pictures (which is why i blocked those pics, which i posted in all innocence at the time).

Knowing any more than this will get you, me, and Peggy into big trouble, so there you go, we are upfront and honest with our posts, so please NSA don't shoot me tonight, LOL

the nullifying experiment is easier than the propulsion one.just a whole bunch of step up transformers.it may even turn it invisible.in my scientific opinion.

Turning it invisible involves running the HV fields at optical frequencies, it can (and has) been done, i am sure of that, there are at least 4 types of cloaking tech now in use ;)

(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t522/robomont/Screenshot_2014-07-30-00-21-56_zpsbwgcgqyx.png)like 10^15?

(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t522/robomont/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-08/th_zpssdjn15gv.jpeg)i know some folks may think a radient reciever needs to be flat but they dont.here is a tesla antenna using balls.these balls build up a high voltage capacitance due to there smoothness and radius.the larger the radius.the higher the voltage.this is part of the reason for the round smooth heads on the tesla coil and van de graff generator.

Actually, those Nazi saucers using the ring airfoil technology CAN go into space. It is just a matter of switching from external air to a internal stored air supply to maintain combustion. The engine exhaust flowing on the airfoil is actually more faster in the vacuum of space therefore increasing lift capability. Yes indeed, you can actually "fly" in space on a wing and a prayer...LOL
But seriously, using conventional fuels would not enable the craft to get anywhere far. That's why I believe the Nazi's were looking for a alternative to the chemical rocket engine. I am not sure if the exhaust from a plasma rocket can be used on a ring airfoil due to the intense heat but  somehow if it was possible then the fuel used to make the ionized plasma could be recycled and reused so long distance trips may have been possible.

maybe at start up but it takes alot of oxygen for most fuel jet engines.now once in space,thats a different matter.the thrust could move the craft along waysas long as the thrust got traction in a partial vacuum.

Yes, that is a possibility. I also saw some more videos about Nazi saucers on You Tube and there was mention of a mothership that was on the drawing board. Now that type of craft would have no problems traveling for very long distances ( to other planets? ) with all that space for fuel and supplies aboard. The saucers could have been used mainly to get from the ground to the mothership and back down again.

the mothership may be the one over ukraine.
why use fuel when we have thorium reactors that are very safe.so safe ,the us gov wont build them.

as i posted those thrusters that are all electric.electric thrusters are the way to go.
now in the atmosphere then oxygen is readily available.basically free fuel.
as this is a zp thread,i dont see chem rockets or engines anywhere on it.just pure electricity.even the top electronics guys on here agree.not including me.im still sticken with the theory that fl is a high voltage craft using free electricity from the air.its energy storage is its giant capacitor plate stack.an ion generator/mercury vapor,magnetic coil that probably weighs close to a ton or more.

Quote from: robomont on August 04, 2014, 11:08:37 AM
(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t522/robomont/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-08/th_zpssdjn15gv.jpeg)i know some folks may think a radient reciever needs to be flat but they dont.here is a tesla antenna using balls.these balls build up a high voltage capacitance due to there smoothness and radius.the larger the radius.the higher the voltage.this is part of the reason for the round smooth heads on the tesla coil and van de graff generator.

Yes, indeed, and a sphere allows for a circuit to be placed within it or any attendant apparatus which would help it work better kept waterproof inside.

Also, a sphere wont be so obvious in a neighborhood who has nosy neighbors..just tell them it is a giant gazing ball for the garden 8)...as well as being far more aerodynamic and not creating a giant wall to high winds.

boy somebody doesnt want that picture getting out.it even said it could be published at bottom of pic.ive still got it at photobucket.i found it on a simple radient reciever search images.

Quote from: robomont on August 04, 2014, 08:02:21 PM
boy somebody doesnt want that picture getting out.it even said it could be published at bottom of pic.ive still got it at photobucket.i found it on a simple radient reciever search images.

HaHa...just use a picture of a Van de Graff generator. Looks the same anyway.

(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t522/robomont/Screenshot_2014-08-04-14-49-01_zpsvdmm2e6n.png)yes to the simpleton but im trying to show that radient recivers are round also,like the hemispheres on the bottom of the fl.i had not heard a response on my comment of that being what they were so i posted that pic hoping for a response,then le spoke up.thanks le

on pegasus,its important to get each parts function understood.
that magnetic coil still has me stumped as far as how voltage is supplied and at what voltage ,current,number of wraps,gauge of wire.once we figure that out,its basically ready for production.

well i got the image back up,so lets get rid of the grounding.maybe the coil is actually a tesla coil like the pics show.or just to magnetic coils flattened out and spaced a inch apart by dialectric.maybe this pic is the answer.

Quoteon pegasus,its important to get each parts function understood.
that magnetic coil still has me stumped as far as how voltage is supplied and at what voltage ,current,number of wraps,gauge of wire.once we figure that out,its basically ready for production.

Indeed, and yes the high voltage is necessary, that diagram is a bit vague, in modern terms it doesn't compute, but i saved it anyway, seems the top ball is connected to the inside of the sphere while the outside is connected to the other sphere by a 'non grounded wire'--what's the point of that?
Ground should be enough, we have plenty of evidence for ground being a transmission medium too, and a good one it is, or was, until everybody went 'hertzian' to quote Mr T.

As you know, we can do the electrical part step by step, just like with lifters.

Then there's dielectrics, as in electro-gravity effects (in ehich case there may be + and - gravity, but the general concensus is that there is only + or 0 gravity, no '-' as such. One day we wil crack that particular nut 8) )

Rotation being another interesting area of study (for me at least, i will never forget those Laithwaite xmas lectures i saw in '76) that was when i realised that he was going to be cast out as a heretic for daring to question the god-like status of Newton. They cast him out, and now Tokyo & Germany have his maglev trains & we have thirsty inefficient diesel or electric trans, still with WHEELS on them, OMG!

This is the 21st ffing century, why do we still have wheels?

The pointy peaks of mountain tops are a rich source of electrons. That's how electrons travel from the earth 's surface to the clouds. The clouds collect the charge because of the water which acts like a storage capacitor. So any cloud passing through a mountain peak is a potential source of electricity.

for certain voltages yes.real high current too.

The biggest enemy of the energy cartels is not the inventor of free energy but nature itself.

Nature provides so much energy in abundance that mankind will never have any energy shortages other than artificially created ones.

For example, there is a great deal of evidence that throughout history when the earth went through several ice ages, mankind moved underground and build enormous cities and tunnels. The deeper you go underground the warmer it gets.

There is also abundant amounts of underground springs containing fresh water. Geothermal energy may also have been used to power machines and provide electricity. Plants and animals were also farmed underground to provide food.

We now may also be facing an imminent ice age and should make preparations to move the populations underground in order to survive.

The surface of the planet will be too cold to support life.

Even our sun is acting strange and could be running out of nuclear fuel and may go out at any time. If that happens then mankind will have to move underground permanently.

The extremely wealthy few may opt for getting off the planet and living on space stations built secretly.


EdNote: Paragraphs, please, people...tfw

Wall of text,I can handle it but some members may complain.
Yes underground has promise but there is still the issue of radon.

Quote from: robomont on August 05, 2014, 09:29:54 AM
Wall of text,I can handle it but some members may complain.
Yes underground has promise but there is still the issue of radon.

Okay. If it is not appropriate for this thread then I will move it elsewhere.

Just trying to guide you newbie.you should start a welcome thread and tell us about yourself

Radon will give us a healthy glow...LOL
It wasn't a problem for our ancestors so I don't think we have anything to worry about.
And please forgive me if my post was a bit long winded.

Let's stay on topic.

Ever seen the movie called '5 Million Years to Earth' ( also called Quatermass and the Pit ) ?  You might be able to watch it on You Tube.
In the movie an alien spacecraft is found during a subway construction dig in London.

The craft is made of an unknown substance and the interior is completely empty

. I read about a similar situation about a wreckage of a saucer shaped craft that was found and the inside of the craft was devoid of any technology or machines.

The investigators were stumped as to how this thing even worked. Do you suppose that some UFOs don't use any form of technology but operate on mental power ( psychic forces ) alone?

edit; line breaks, please.-seeker

QuoteOkay. If it is not appropriate for this thread then I will move it elsewhere.

And I am left wondering exactly how you are going to do that.

By the way a wall of text is when someone just types and types with no paragraphs or line breaks. It is very difficult to read.

It looks like a wall of text.

Should stay on subject though. If you wish to go to far off subject your post may be moved. You may also start a new thread if you wish.

Basic rules are that you should start an intro thread first. Say hello and then move on.  ::)

What happened to the modify button? I was going to edit my post or move it elsewhere. I am not going to post on this thread anymore.

There's like a clock on it.notice the thread I made for you. ???

Quote from: onetruekeeper on August 05, 2014, 01:13:10 PM
What happened to the modify button? I was going to edit my post or move it elsewhere. I am not going to post on this thread anymore.

Greetings:

Welcome to the quagmire...:P

I took the liberty of editing your thread for clarity = paragraphs.

Robo was my first victim on this, BTW...and he was on a phone!

No need to move the post and, yes, we would like to know a bit about you
(not too personal), if you so wish to share.    ;)

As I was the one who invited you, I am also interested,
as you are a prolific poster and have interesting ideas.

Im all for the extremely wealthy going away.....how will we rebuild the henhouse, if the foxes remain at guard?

As for free energy, it is truly that, free, but hamfisted usurpers of our hard earned dollars have made it so one needs countless of them to build a receiver worthy of powering more than a coffee maker.

Perhaps if all the citizens of Earth who wish to return to the golden age were to drop the apathetic picket fenced mindset at once, progress could be made...I believe that what Thor suggests on a daily basis....teamwork.

Mankind and its future depneds on awareness first, planning second, and action third.

Where are we now?

Cheers
Le

I am sure these issues were faced many times by humanity throughout it's long history.
If the sun goes out then rebuilding is not an option.
Humanity needs only to survive and find a way off of this rock.

QuoteEven our sun is acting strange and could be running out of nuclear fuel and may go out at any time. If that happens then mankind will have to move underground permanently.

if that happens, the sun will either go nova or (more probably) slowly become a red giant.
Either way, we are toast even if living underground....
The sun has another few million years at least, nothing to worry about ;)

QuoteThe extremely wealthy few may opt for getting off the planet and living on space stations built secretly

They did, and they have! ::)

QuoteEver seen the movie called '5 Million Years to Earth' ( also called Quatermass and the Pit ) ?

Yes, i even did a thread on it;

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=3494.msg49022#msg49022 (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=3494.msg49022#msg49022)

;D

QuotePerhaps if all the citizens of Earth who wish to return to the golden age were to drop the apathetic picket fenced mindset at once, progress could be made...I believe that what Thor suggests on a daily basis....teamwork

Gold, mate..

QuoteMankind and its future depends on awareness first, planning second, and action third.

Where are we now?

We are just approaching the 'awareness' stage, in another few hundred years we may get round to the planning... ::) :P

QuoteI am sure these issues were faced many times by humanity throughout it's long history.
If the sun goes out then rebuilding is not an option.
Humanity needs only to survive and find a way off of this rock.

Yes, yes, and yes!

I think this relates to the flux liners propulsion methodology...

Dr. John Brandenburg joins us to discuss how the "Murad-Brandenburg Poynting Field Conservation Equation" may offer insights into recent antigravity experiments involving rotating magnetic fields. In particular, he describes how his work serves as a theoretical basis for antigravity experiments by Paul Murad and Morningstar Applied physics which used a device similar to a Searl Effect Generator to produce a repeatable net loss in weight between 7% to 20%.

Brandenburg is a Theoretical Plasma Physicist working on particle astrophysics, a fundamental quantum theory of gravity, and the GEM Unified Field Theory, explains how the theoretical research that he developed through Morningstar Applied Physics led to a novel approach to Poynting-Vector propulsion which may also help validate the claims of Searl, Godin & Roscshin, and others.

In Brandenburg's GEM Unified Field Theory, he describes finding what he calls the "Vacuum Bernoulli Equation", in that it is analogous to the more traditional aerodynamic effect. What he found in the theory, which is a synthesis of Kaluza-Klein, hidden-dimension theory, and Sakharov's radiation-pressure theories, that the Poynting Vector became very important in facilitating the control of gravity and generating antigravity effects. In this theory, it is not only the Poynting Vector itself that is important, but also the difference in Poynting Vectors, which generates a curvature leading to these effects.

(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/lExzHXqjV2k/hqdefault.jpg)

www.americanantigravity.com/news/space/john-brandenburg-poynting-vector-antigravity.html#sthash.YaDTT9pn.dpuf

Cosmo

Anti-Gravity, Aliens, the Spectacle and the Veil
Zero-Point
The Story of Mark McCandlish and the Flux Liner

http://www.scribd.com/doc/246135773/Higgins-James-ZeroPointTheStoryOf-FILM-W2013#scribd

Cosmo

What he did, apparently, was acquire a high voltage power source — a DC (direct current) power source, and he took a couple of quarter-inch-thick copper plates about a foot in diameter, with a lead coming out of the middle of each one at the top and the bottom. [Then], he basically embedded them in a type of plastic resin like polycarbonate or Plexiglas, or some other kind of clear resin where you could see the plates, and you could see the material. Apparently, he did everything he could to get all the little air bubbles and stuff out of there, so there wouldn't be any pathways for the electricity to break down the material and arc through them. The experiment was to see how much voltage you could put on this capacitor — the sub-plate capacitor — in this arrangement; how much voltage could you put on this thing before the insulating material begins to just break down?

Well, he got up to about a million volts, and the thing would begin to float, and it floated in accordance with principles that had been described in a patent that was filed back in the late 1950s/early 1960s by a gentleman called Thomas Townsend Brown. Brown and another individual by the name of Dr. Biefield had done this, so this effect became known as the Biefield-Brown effect. Well, [Stambough] apparently duplicated the experiments done by Biefield and Brown, [and] the one aspect they found about this arrangement was that the levitation or movement would occur in the direction of the positively-charged plate. So, if you had two plates, one is negative, and one is positive because of the direct current system. If you have the positive plate on top, it would move in that direction. If you had it on a pendulum, it would always swing in whatever direction the positive plate was facing.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/disclosure/briefing/disclosure14.htm

I remember how excited I was on the day I telephoned B. in Washington after being out of touch for several years, and was told, "The lift isn't just 1% any longer; the apparatus will now lift 110% of it's own weight!" My wife and I immediately flew to Washington and with our own eyes saw a moderately heavy gadget made of metal and Pyrex lift itself right up when 50,000 volts were applied - and float steadily when a slightly lower voltage was used.

http://www.flyingdisk.com/stupid.htm

Cosmo

Probably something most of you know - I noticed, in going back through this thread, most of the significant to this thread videos, including the OP video, have been taken "private", and are no longer viewable here - ?? :o

Quote from: rdunk on March 08, 2015, 06:05:11 PM
Probably something most of you know - I noticed, in going back through this thread, most of the significant to this thread videos, including the OP video, have been taken "private", and are no longer viewable here - ?? :o

(http://i1254.photobucket.com/albums/hh605/subatomic_dude/GOOFEY.jpg?t=1425838895)

GoOfEy

I laugh when I think of goofey's voice saying rdunk!  lol 

Cosmo -  ;D !! Well the main thing it means is................. not having those videos in the OP/thread really takes away some of the significant subject matter basis of thought here, doesn't it?? I did wonder if some of the tech guys that left here had them removed/made unseeable - or was it some of the black suit guys??

Quote from: rdunk on March 09, 2015, 09:04:10 PM
Cosmo -  ;D !! Well the main thing it means is................. not having those videos in the OP/thread really takes away some of the significant subject matter basis of thought here, doesn't it?? I did wonder if some of the tech guys that left here had them removed/made unseeable - or was it some of the black suit guys??

Rdunk, I doubt if anyone here, current or former, had anything to do with the vids being yanked; I do not doubt that perhaps some of the info espoused in them might have hit a nerve or two, perhaps even elicited an "Oh, crap!" moment from certain circles...

the truth is quite often more strange than fiction; and it brings to mind the statement made by Jules Verne and H G Wells right after the beginning of the 20th century: " Isn't it amazing how the science fiction of today becomes tomorrow's reality..."

seeker

That goofey Meme is soooo hilarious  ;D ;D

That Cymatics video is still, for me, awesome to watch. And I mean awweeeesome.

I'm very heavily invested in Philosophy of Mind and Metaphysics, and that video "links" the virtual space my spatial visualizations and conceptual nature flourish in to actual physical stimuli.

It's amazing. 

rdunk,

More information about the flux liner is just a google search away! 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4J9RYUlp9o

Glaucon, you should check this out.  We live in a probability wave universe that is resolved upon observation into the physical universe we see.  If you are thinking, you are in the post collapse universe.  An experience of non-local consciousness gives us a glimpse of the eternal, infinite, energetic primary medium.   

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=6176.msg85794#msg85794

Cosmo

Quote from: COSMO on March 10, 2015, 04:02:55 PM
rdunk,

More information about the flux liner is just a google search away! 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4J9RYUlp9o

Glaucon, you should check this out.  We live in a probability wave universe that is resolved upon observation into the physical universe we see.  If you are thinking, you are in the post collapse universe.  An experience of non-local consciousness gives us a glimpse of the eternal, infinite, energetic primary medium.   

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=6176.msg85794#msg85794

Cosmo

Hey, thanks a lot. I'm dicing through all the content right now.

A more recent youtube posting about the fluxliner. 

Alien Reproduction Vehicle (Zero Point) - The Fluxliner

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGIMWbYabEI

Interesting that Mark McCandlish was in touch with Gordon Novel.  Some interesting dots there hey Mr. Knight?

Cosmo

Looking at the Flux Liner, I wonder if the central shaft is a fusion device.  If we are seeing Faraday, Tesla and Brown, what if we are also seeing a modified form of a Fusor, ala Farnsworth.  Something like this:

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Christopher_Strevens_Nuclear_Reactor

(http://peswiki.com/images/d/d3/Strevens_before-fusion_300.jpg)

The central core of the ARV reminds me of Strevens's fusion reactor.  It even has a Tesla coil like Strevens's reactor. 

So, looking at the ARV, it seems that it incorporates the developments of some of the brightest minds of decades ago. 

Just looking at dots here.  I do find it odd that same person wrote the biographies of Farnsworth and T. T. Brown. 

Some more dots...."the Brown camp", Gordon Novel, the author of BOTH biographies of T. T. Brown and Farnsworth...the list goes on.

Fusion at Decker's lab?

What was the real reason that an expert on Farnsworth fusion technology was pulled into this group???   

(https://awkwardstampede.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/babyram.jpg)

Just some  dots...

Cosmo

Quote from: COSMO on April 12, 2015, 01:35:11 PM
A more recent youtube posting about the fluxliner. 

Alien Reproduction Vehicle (Zero Point) - The Fluxliner

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGIMWbYabEI

Interesting that Mark McCandlish was in touch with Gordon Novel.  Some interesting dots there hey Mr. Knight?

Cosmo

Cosmo, the video you noted is also "no longer available"??

Quote from: rdunk on May 05, 2015, 06:07:32 PM
Cosmo, the video you noted is also "no longer available"??

Probably copyright issue

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnROiCBLVKw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnROiCBLVKw

Thanks Z! It is good to have back the video you just posted! Now I can watch the other half of this, that I didn't get to finish the first time around. :)

I am posting another short video on this subject of "Zero Point" that is mainly composed of individual discussion and comments. One of the primary individuals in this is Mark McCandlish, the same guy that made the video you just posted. Another individual of some interest is a "relative" of T.T. Brown.  There is a screen that does show radar of contact/tracking of some sort of craft.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zuKtZrKZ4Q

Thanks Z and rdunk.  Seems someone does not want those videos to stay up.  So many dots connect to Gordon Novel and his project to recreate the ARV. 

Here is Gordon's son, Sur Novel.  It's an interesting perspective on someone that was close to Gordon and some information on a patent...

http://www.topsecretwriters.com/2014/04/gordon-novel-son-shares-truth/



I remember Hal being a nice guy and was very interested in my Father's potential source of funding his science projects. If I recall correctly, Hal and my Father were flying to the Bahamas to meet with some Bahamian government officials about buying out the Piper private jet company. I guess Hal Puthoff and my Father were flying to the Bahamas with my older sister and I in tote to discuss manufacturing "private jets".

The US patent office actually issued a patent under number US 8,120,221 B2 on February 21, 2012 which was just a few months before my Father died.

The patent is based on my Father's RAM design for power generation. I've also decided to use the traden ame "Intergalactic Windmill" for marketing my Father's patent, which I now legally own as part of a living trust. I have no idea whether my Father's patent holds the secrets to the Universe, but the stand-up guy who introduced the now infamous ARV cutaway was very interested in it, and we spoke not long ago.

http://www.google.com/patents/US8120221

(http://cdn.topsecretwriters.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/RAM-rig2.jpg)

Power generation and conversion platform
US 8120221 B2
ABSTRACT
A power generation and conversion platform where power can be readily generated and converted from one form to another is disclosed. The system includes a central column having a plurality of components. These components include an electric motor, a power source for driving the motor, a flywheel coupled to the motor, a torque converter coupled to the flywheel, an electric generator that is driven by the flywheel and a number of electrical capacitors which are cyclically charged by the electric generator and discharged in the manner of a Marx generator.

One of Faraday's early discoveries was the homopolar generator. An example of such a generator is depicted in FIG. I. As shown in FIG. I, the generator includes a conducting disk or flywheel 12 that is accelerated to a high rate of speed along its axis. As known in the art, disk 12 may be made from copper to form a copper disk or may be made from a plurality of radial conductors in the form of a spoke and wheel. A number of ways to form disk 12 will be apparent to the skilled artisan.

An external magnetic field is then applied which has the affect of creating a voltage potential across spinning disk 12. In FIG. 1, the magnetic field is applied by permanent magnet 15. Magnet 15 forms a magnetic flux path 14 and generates magnetic flux ?. However a field coil encircling disk 12 and connected to an external current supply can be used to also provide the field excitation passing through the disk as one of ordinary skill in the art would know how to do.

The rotation of disk 12 through flux path 14 induces a voltage potential between center 16 of the disk and its circumference 18. The electrical energy can be removed via brushes 20 and 22 as illustrated in FIG. I and as would be known to a person of ordinary skill in the art.

A voltage potential also will be generated if disk 12 remains stationary and magnetic flux path 14 is rotated around disk 12.

In comparison with other generators, a homopolar generator can be used to generate extremely high currents. The generated currents are often on the order of 10 to 10,000 amperes at low potential differences. This type of current/voltage profile can be used in such applications as electric welders and railguns.


Faraday generator???

Sounds kind of like the Flux Liner, minus the electrogravitics. 

"Private jets" with Hal Puthoff?  That's interesting. 

And Sur leaves us with a nice little video of Dr. Quantum and his double slit experiment.  I've seen that on this forum somewhere else!  lol 

Yep..a lot of dots connected to Gordon...

Cosmo

Just by chance, I came upon this from a fellow named Tom Brown...

89. A Tribo-Electric High Voltage Generator.

(http://www.rexresearch.com/brown2/28.jpg)

http://www.rexresearch.com/brown2/brown2.htm

From some guy named Rex.  Looks like he does a lot of research.   lol

Looks so much like Gordon's device.   High K dielectrics and all. 

Connections abound...

Cosmo

Rex Research is likely one of if not THE first alternative research sites on the web  He was posting good material when we still had the odd local BBS system

He is a local boy 35 minutes out of Las Vegas
Rex Research, POB 19250, Jean, NV 89019 USA

Never any BS  Just the facts and files

I SHOULD copy all his material to our site  He did give me permission years ago but just don't have the time

Cool Z!  That site has a lot of good information.  Maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea to have a copy of it. 

Since that image didn't take the first time around, here it is again with a little more info.  Reminds me of a Faraday generator somewhat. 

Let's see if this post works...

89. A Tribo-Electric High Voltage Generator.

Catalina Island, CA; March 26, 1973.

If it is true that tribo-electric generation results from contact potential differences in dielectrics of differing dielectric constant and if it is true that the sliding motion or friction merely extends the effective surface of the dielectrics in contact and if it is true that the dielectric with greater K is always positive and the potential difference is related to the difference in dielectric constant, then it follows that a new type of generator is feasible.

Using barium titanate (> 10,000 K) rubbing a dielectric in the range less than 10, at high speed, would give the BaTiO3 a positive charge relative to the other dielectric with which it is in sliding (frictional) contact.

The possibility of using liquid or gaseous (negative) dielectric should be considered. Such as CCl4, benzene, toluene or transformer oil. A liquid with low elec. resistivity should be considered in order not to limit the current output of the generator.

Both the BaTiO3 and the liquid should have as high electrical conductivity as possible in order to conduct away the charges developed.

(http://www.rexresearch.com/brown2/28.jpg)

Cosmo

Dagnabbit...

It worked in preview, not sure why it's not showing.

Let's try it this way...

(http://i1254.photobucket.com/albums/hh605/subatomic_dude/ttbrown.jpg?t=1432970485)

edit...
Hey Z, why is that image being blocked?

Can you see the image Cosmo?

Quote from: COSMO on May 31, 2015, 08:23:19 AM
Dagnabbit...

It worked in preview, not sure why it's not showing.

Probably because you had already seen the image in its original site.

QuoteHey Z, why is that image being blocked?

It's probably blocked when seen from outside the site that hosts it, many sites do that.

Can you see the image ArMaP?  I can see it so I'm not sure what you and Cosmo are talking about. ???

Looks good here.

If there is supposed to be an image in Cosmo's replies #256 & #258, I do not see them either. I only see the little "blue boxs" with a "?". i believe that blue boxs with the question mark does mean something is missing......at least for Cosmo and I! :)

Quote from: Pimander on May 31, 2015, 01:03:09 PM
Can you see the image ArMaP?

I can see the image on post #259, I cannot see the images on posts #256 and #258.

Suggestion:

Copy the images somewhere else and then post them

Yesterday I did not see the images then later at night they were there. When I copied the URL and tried that way there was no image

It seems likely that Rex is using an old server that has limited traffic. So hot linking to that server might mean the images are not always available.


However I am having the same issues with Karl12's UFO threads  Seems the images he posted from ATS do not show up

As they are all hot links and other images are fine  I would assume it is not a forum issue

Quote from: zorgon on May 31, 2015, 05:33:06 PM
However I am having the same issues with Karl12's UFO threads  Seems the images he posted from ATS do not show up

That's a result of changes recently made to ATS, images hosted on ATS' servers are only viewable on ATS pages now.

Quote from: zorgon on May 31, 2015, 05:33:06 PM

However I am having the same issues with Karl12's UFO threads  Seems the images he posted from ATS do not show up

As they are all hot links and other images are fine  I would assume it is not a forum issue

Perhaps something changed with the image database recently...

We just noticed that many avatars on Tango have 'disappeared', including ours.

(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/wu556b1d02.jpg)

We uploaded a new image and all is well there (to a degree   :P)

Quote from: ArMaP on May 31, 2015, 05:50:47 PM
That's a result of changes recently made to ATS, images hosted on ATS' servers are only viewable on ATS pages now.

Our avatar was hosted on ATS.    ;)

Thanks, Photobucket worked.

Here's a recent article talking about Honda's gravity modification work and some interesting info on the Biefeld-Brown effect and Podkletnov's work. 

V. Putz and K. Svozil,
. . . predicted that the electron experiences an increase in its rest mass under an intense electromagnetic field . . .
and the equivalent
. . . formula with respect to the mass shift of the electron under intense electromagnetic field was discovered by P. Milonni . . .
Dr. Musha concludes his paper with,
. . . The theoretical analysis result suggests that the impulsive electric field applied to the dielectric material may produce a sufficient artificial gravity to attain velocities comparable to chemical rockets.
Given, Honda R&D's experimental research findings, this is a major step forward for the Biefeld-Brown effect, and Biefeld-Brown is back on the table as a potential propulsion technology.

My analysis of Dr. Podkletnov's papers show that the disc is electrified and bi-layered. By bi-layered, the top side is superconducting and the bottom non-superconducting. Therefore, to get gravity modifying effects, the key to experimental success is, bottom side needs to be much thicker than the top. Without getting into too much detail, this would introduce asymmetrical field structures, and gravity modifying effects.

Above all, we cannot be sure what we have discovered is correct until we have tested these discoveries under different circumstances. This is especially true for future propulsion technologies where we cannot depend on legacy physics for guidance, and essentially don't understand what we are looking for.

In the current RSQ (pronounced risk) theory climate, propulsion physics is not a safe career path to select. I do hope that serious researchers reopen the case for both Biefeld-Brown and Podkletnov experiments, and the National Science Foundation (NSF) leads the way by providing funding to do so.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/benjamin-t-solomon/hondas-gravity-modification-research_b_7531260.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/41pegasus/04images/Gravity/anti_gravity_gra2300.gif)

There does seem to be a lot of info supporting the type of propulsion the Flux Liner utilizes.

Cosmo

Here's the whole movie on Vimeo...

Zero Point: The Story of Mark McCandlish and the Flux Liner

https://vimeo.com/channels/942663

Military-aeronautical Illustrator Mark McCandlish was riding the wave of success making images of classified projects for the military-industrial complex. Then he made a drawing of a top secret project that he wasn't supposed to know about. And big trouble ensued. For those who want a story of intrigue, secrets, and technology. Detailed information on the history, physics and technological mechanisms regarding faster-than-light travel, antigravity, and zero-point energy is also covered in detail.

Cosmo

Saved. :)

I thought it was good.  Sure took a lot of time and sacrifice to get the story to a finished film.  Somebody thought it was worth giving to the public. 

Just a thought on the flux liner:

If the central shaft is plasma and the disc is a Faraday configuration then the flow is like this:

(http://u2.lege.net/cetinbal/FJ/faradisk1.gif)

So, a Faraday disc with a plasma core driving a Tesla coil and then gravitator plates in the base?   Farnsworth keeps popping into my mind.  Wouldn't it be something if the central shaft is a modified form of a fusor?  I have said this before...I don't see "alien" technology at work here at all. I think the term Alien Reproduction Vehicle is a misnomer. 

One difference between the flux liner and Podkletnov's gravity impulse generator is that the ARV would have continuous energy input as opposed to using a marx generator  to provide a pulse.  Maybe a similarity would be that if you put podkletnov's emmiter from his device in the base of the craft, you would have a "push" drive that could propell you at 64c but you would need a continuous high voltage input like the flux liner, so maybe the flux liner and the gravity impulse generator have some commonalities. 

http://www.americanantigravity.com/files/articles/Podkletnov-Interview.pdf


Cosmo

Mark was on Coast to Coast and here's some images from the show.

McCandlish Images 8/29/15

(http://download.coasttocoastam.com/pages/mcclandlish-image-03.jpg)

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/pages/mccandlish-images-8-29-15

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2015/08/29

Mark McCandlish shared his story of working as an illustrator of classified projects for the military-industrial complex. He recounted a tale of intrigue, secrets, and technology, along with detailed information on the physics and technological mechanisms of an Alien Reproduction Vehicle (ARV) with an anti-gravity propulsion system called the "Flux Liner." The story is detailed in a new documentary, ZERO-POINT, directed by late filmmaker James Allen, who McCandlish disclosed died of heavy metal and radioisotope poisoning before finishing his film. The technology revealed in the documentary is real and would revolutionize the transportation and petrochemical industries, as well as make nuclear power obsolete, he suggested.

"You're creating a high voltage electrical discharge that fires through a mercury-filled chamber, and when that discharge occurs it creates a phenomenon that sort of opens up a doorway that allows you to tap into this ambient [zero-point] energy that's in the space-tim all around us," he explained about the workings of the ARV. According to McCandlish, the United States may no longer be in possession of this technology. McCandlish also recalled his 1966 UFO sighting over Westover Air Reserve Base. "I didn't believe at that time that what I saw was from Earth, but in retrospect... it may well have been," he said.

Cosmo

(http://i47.tinypic.com/21d3dl0.jpg)

So, the flux liner has a big submarine type door.  Is the sphere metallic also?  Steel? 

If so, then the coil around that sphere will generate a spherical electromagnet, a rotating magnetic field.   

Just thinking about the type of field that would produce and how it would interact with the rest of the configuration. 



(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/Geodynamo_Between_Reversals.gif)


Here's a mercury Faraday motor...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fRC7V3KMA4

(http://www.es.flinders.edu.au/~mattom/science+society/lectures/illustrations/lecture27/faraday1.gif)

Vimanas...By means of the power latent in the heated mercury which sets the driving whirlwind in motion...


Hmmm...mercury whirlwind....heated?  While heating may have an effect, it would not drive a whirlwind...rotation, but a Faraday configuration would!  Did they mean electrically charged and not heated???

Cosmo

(http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/54559main_comparison1_strip.gif)

::)

Quote from: zorgon on September 09, 2015, 05:39:11 AM
(http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/54559main_comparison1_strip.gif)

::)

Yeah...thought the magnetic field would most closely resemble the magnetic field of a planet being spherical and all that.  If the flux liner had fields like the second picture I am sure that would not be conducive to propulsion!  lol

But..yes...the Earth's field is rapidly shifting and probably headed for reversal.  Some think that could take hundreds or thousands of years.  I do wonder how it will affect civilization.  What would it be like if electricity stopped working???

(http://www.vitamin-ha.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Vh-funny-breaking-amish-electricity-out-.jpg)

Cosmo

Quote from: COSMO on August 30, 2015, 04:32:33 PM
Mark was on Coast to Coast and here's some images from the show.

McCandlish Images 8/29/15

(http://download.coasttocoastam.com/pages/mcclandlish-image-03.jpg)

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/pages/mccandlish-images-8-29-15

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2015/08/29

  According to McCandlish, the United States may no longer be in possession of this technology.

Cosmo

That would not surprise me, since it seems the PTB and NASA have forgot how to build a Saturn 5 amongst other things. 8)

Bovine feces.

seeker

Hi seeker,

I think what he meant was that this project is the "property" of those at the highest levels of security.  Corso said that these folks are not answerable, even to our gov.  Maybe he means the break away civilization?  You know, I could understand why wise men of old would hide themselves from their superstitious brethren of the day.  Better than being burned at the stake.  It seems like that may be a wise idea because even today, humans are a scary lot.

I was looking for some more clarification on the original meaning of the Sanskrit texts that describe the mercury vortex engine and found this:

http://www.burlingtonnews.net/files/viminas.pdf

William Clendenon translated this particular passage of the
Samarangana Sutradhara in his 1990 book, Mercury, UFO Messenger of the
Gods: "Inside the circular air frame, place the mercury-engine with its
electric/ultrasonic mercury boiler at the bottom center. By means of the
power latent in the mercury which sets the driving whirlwind in motion, a
man sitting inside may travel a great distance in the sky in a most marvelous
manner. Four strong mercury containers must be built into the interior
structure. When those have been heated by controlled fire from iron
containers, the vimana develops thunder-power through the mercury. At
once it becomes like a pearl in the sky."

(http://thumb9.shutterstock.com/thumb_large/83940/83940,1250528573,12/stock-vector-spiritual-swastika-sign-35415817.jpg)
Hindu Symbol

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/05/CirclesN4xb.svg/258px-CirclesN4xb.svg.png)
four overlapping fields

ELECTRIC/ULTRASONIC MERCURY BOILER???  So, it seems that it could have been electricity.  That would indicate a Faraday type of torsion effect on the mercury resulting in rotation!  There's the rotation...the whirlwind.   I note that it specifically mentions four of them.  Maybe that is what is required to produce the right kind of field effect?  Would heating while charged make a difference?   

(http://www.tarrdaniel.com/documents/Ufology/images/Vimana/Vimana12.jpg)

That's kinda shaped like the flux liner...

Cosmo

A nice interview with Mark McCandlish with some explanations of the system and history I hadn't seen before:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ua0MMXJl3FM

Not sure what to think about this....any ideas?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lL7uFTKUK_U


Cosmo

So, with the verification of G-waves, we can see how nature makes an impact on gravity and space time.  Black holes or unipolar inductors. 

http://www.plasma-universe.com/Unipolar_inductor

(http://www.plasma-universe.com/images/thumb/2/20/Galactic-inductor.jpg/669px-Galactic-inductor.jpg)

(http://www.plasma-universe.com/images/thumb/4/4c/Crab-nebula-combined.jpg/600px-Crab-nebula-combined.jpg)

Faraday gave us the table top version.  lol

Your tax dollars gave us the Flux Liner. 

Cosmo

Resonant cavity thrusters

http://emdrive.com/

(http://emdrive.com/images/emdrive.jpg)



http://www.crystalinks.com/vimanas.html

(http://www.tarrdaniel.com/documents/Ufology/images/Vimana/Vimana12.jpg)

COSMO

Howdy CSOMO..me with some questions as usual..

Propellers, but not the expected type..why hasnt a surfer figured this all out yet?

If everything is waves of differing densities, can we fashion a nice longboard and surf through the all, using waves and charge migration through the fluid of universe to propel us? I think we can...

That line between pressure differentials is said to be unmeasurable, so what happens at that point where we look, but cannot see the actual demarcation line?

Stars are born....

Cheers!
Le

Quote from: Littleenki on February 06, 2017, 02:22:34 PM
Howdy CSOMO..me with some questions as usual..

Propellers, but not the expected type..why hasnt a surfer figured this all out yet?

If everything is waves of differing densities, can we fashion a nice longboard and surf through the all, using waves and charge migration through the fluid of universe to propel us? I think we can...

That line between pressure differentials is said to be unmeasurable, so what happens at that point where we look, but cannot see the actual demarcation line?

Stars are born....

Cheers!
Le

Hi Dave!  How's the fishing?

If the Vimanas were that big, maybe a cavity thruster of that size would work as described in the ancient Hindu texts.  Speaking of fish, wiggly little things, wiggling in accordance with the fluid in which they propel themselves.  What are microwaves after all when confined to an asymmetrical cone?

Maybe a collection of fish swimming in the same direction...maybe they supersaturate and become one coherent wave, one big fish!  Like a skyfish!  lol

Here's someones thought about the fluxliner's configuration being possibly a MHD dynamo...not EHD!!!   :o


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dD52j-GjwfA

It looks like a Faraday generator with a plasma core, using the rotation of the disc to induct the Tesla coil via the Tesla Effect...good name!  haha 

C   

Cosmo,i thought this was slready settled by me a while back.all are mhd craft,all use or most use mercury.either as a switch in the german ufos or in all the other ones to generate ionization of the air.then a magnetic coil or ring is put on them to drive the ionization surrounding the  craft.the fluxliner uses this technigue,the tr3b astra,the king patent.all work the same way.its the hunt for red october tech only on the outside of ship instead of internally.frequency of the magnetic pulses determines speed just as spark timing on and engine determines rpm.thus speed of car.
Theres no woo involved.take a mercury lightbulb with no coating,put a speaker magnet around its circumference.pulse the magnet,viola,ufo!
If im around ,ill answer any questions you have.

Hi dave,hope all is well,are you still doing msm type stuff?

Another vid on the fluxliner...

https://youtu.be/5zuKtZrKZ4Q

QuoteZero Point The Fluxliner story commentary & Military radar UFO footage at the Secret Space Program Conference, 2014 San Mateo

Run time : 33.30
Speakers : Henrik Palmgren, Mark McCandlish, Linda Brown, James Gladman, Jesse Fritch

Sit back and enjoy a lively discussion between Henrik Palmgren Mark McCandlish and James Gladman about the documentary film created by James Allan Higgins (1964-2013) The Fluxliner story. Linda Brown the daughter of Thomas Townsend Brown will share some stories about her father. Jesse Fritch will give some commentary on a Military radar UFO footage taken on S13 site in Nevada.

Seeker

If only we could get of the black hats and those that control them.

Here's an interesting video purportedly of an Area 51 top secret craft filmed around 30 years ago.  While watching I noted something of interest. 

http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2017/05/24/area-51-leaked-video-purports-alien-craft-being-tested-at-secret-military-base.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1Ceey3_cRQ

(http://i1254.photobucket.com/albums/hh605/subatomic_dude/flux.png?t=1495726533)

I couldn't help but notice that it looks a lot like the Flux Liner or even images of die glocke.

Cosmo