http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/03/roswell-ufo-crash_n_1715663.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/03/roswell-ufo-crash_n_1715663.html)
More lies I suspect..
Quote from: Sinny on June 02, 2014, 03:30:37 PM
More lies I suspect..
That is the whole point, to examine, research, and explore... 8)
the tale has been told for many years of a second crash at Corona... 8)
seeker
I just love how they laugh in this video :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnSSwm6Y7-w
It is almost sarcastic ....
eta: I fixed the 'invalid youtube link' for ya Sylas.
All you need to insert is the code after v=
in the yt link.
...also it is helpful to our members on smart phones to also include the entire link via the hyperlink button -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnSSwm6Y7 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnSSwm6Y7)
A51
I'm gonna go with 5, 2 balloons and at least 1 dead cow and 3 turtles from the Bundy Ranch for luck.
Quote from: Sinny on June 02, 2014, 03:30:37 PM
More lies I suspect..
That's quite a cryptic reply Sinny.
I'd like to know what you base that assessment on.
Do you have evidence of previous lies from Lt. Col. French?
As Seeker pointed out, we have had evidence of a 2nd crash for quite some time now.
A 2nd crash scenario also helps square the difference in details provided by eye witness accounts from then.
In the early days of Roswell research, it seemed to us that the witnesses almost seemed to be talking about 2 entirely different crashes.
And later witness accounts appeared to fall into one of the two events, and matched the details of one or the other.
All of this occurred before the books were published.
There is even evidence to suggest a 3rd craft via a FBI FOIA document -
(http://www.crystalinks.com/roswelldocument2011.jpg)
Note the reference once again to radar as being the culprit.
(http://cecom.army.mil/historian/photos/Radio/SCR%20584/SCR-584-missile-tracking-1947.jpg)
Quote from: IamSylas on June 02, 2014, 06:01:46 PM
eta: I fixed the 'invalid youtube link' for ya Sylas.
All you need to insert is the code after v=
in the yt link.
...also it is helpful to our members on smart phones to also include the entire link via the hyperlink button -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnSSwm6Y7 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnSSwm6Y7)
A51
Dude thanks for the info :) I'll do that next time...
Spoke with Denice last night and she talked about a scientist that works at the Roswell military school. She said he finds artifacts out in the debris field to this day. His name is Frank Kembler.
"Col. Corso tells of a UFO that was brought down by a military radar station that locked on to the UFO and increased the strength of the radar signal, causing the UFO to lose control and crash."
Col. Corso -
"Our radar upset their plans and we moved full speed ahead from the knoweledge gained from their equipment which we catptured."
"They have aboard sensors that react to radar surveillance."
"...we surmised that possibly radar caused the Roswell crash..."
"In my mind had been embedded that radar caused loss of control and the crash."
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on June 02, 2014, 10:53:05 PM
Spoke with Denice last night and she talked about a scientist that works at the Roswell military school. She said he finds artifacts out in the debris field to this day. His name is Frank Kembler.
:o
Any memory foil yet?
All she said that she met him last year and hope to talk to him some more. She is a member here and she said she logged in last night but not too familiar with forums. I'll try to get her back on.
I want to add this from the Huffpost article in the op:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/03/roswell-ufo-crash_n_1715663.html
Quote"There were actually two crashes at Roswell, which most people don't know," French told HuffPost. "The first one was shot down by an experimental U.S. airplane that was flying out of White Sands, N.M., and it shot what was effectively an electronic pulse-type weapon that disabled and took away all the controls of the UFO, and that's why it crashed."
French -- an Air Force pilot who was in Alamagordo, N.M., in 1947, being tested in an altitude chamber, an annual requirement for rated officers -- was very specific in how the military allegedly brought down what he believes was a spacecraft from another world.
"When they hit it with that electromagnetic pulse -- bingo! -- there goes all their electronics and, consequently, the UFO was uncontrollable," said French, who flew hundreds of combat missions in Korea and Southeast Asia, and who held several positions working for Military Intelligence.
The reason I want to use this quote from the article is because Boyd Bushman
said the same exact thing in a video interview.Mr Bushman knew the pilot flying the experimental plane and the new weapon system that was used; he did not reveal the identity of the pilot other than to refer to him as the "doctor."
Coincedence? synchronicity? call it what you will...
I say very interesting...
seeker
As I recall, one of the radar technicians at White Sands stated that during a flyover of a formation of discs at the base,
"It was noticed that the radar beam appeared to cause a slight deviation in one of the discs flight path..."
This would be BIG news for the generals at the Pentagon.
They of course would order the production of the biggest most powerful models of these new monopulse microwave radars that could possibly be built, in order to see just how much 'deviation' in a discs flight path could be achieved!
Now consider for a moment the often reported occurrence of UFO's proximity to automobiles interfering with and shutting down cars ignition, radio and headlights.
Since it is doubtful aliens took the time to create weapons of interference with automobiles operating systems, we can assume this interference can be taken as a sign of some of these crafts advanced systems operating in the same EM spectrum as our own primitive systems.
Any navigation system using a microwave look ahead radar to avoid mountains and trees in it's path could indeed be forced into a malfunction with false radar information being fed into it's inputs.
Apparently Nike Missle company produced 50 'modified' SCR-584's ostensibly for their missile program.
No word on what these modifications were.
The new Monopulse radar was a powerful focused beam approach, as opposed to the previous weak scattershot wide beam approach.
Indeed, A51, I recall reading all that material on the radar issue many times, recall Phil Corso's statements in his book; it just struck me after watching Bushman make that statement to David Serada a day or so ago ( the clip was recorded in '09, I think} that today I read the same statement in that article attributed to Lt Col French...
one does have to wonder just a tad... 8)
seeker
Quote from: A51Watcher on June 02, 2014, 08:46:31 PM
That's quite a cryptic reply Sinny.
I'd like to know what you base that assessment on.
Do you have evidence of previous lies from Lt. Col. French?
Sorry, i was guilty of thinking out-loud.. I don't know much about Col French..
But i do know a bit about the UFO phenomena, and i highly doubt that there were real aliens present at any Rowell crash. Bodies perhaps, but i'm under the impression they come from our planet. Anything pointing towards interstellar alien beings, is pure dis, or mis-information... IMO.
Sinny, thanks for the clarification.
Pimander started a great thread here making the case for Terrestrial aliens being here as opposed to Extraterrestrial aliens being here.
However a member here later made a thread, indicating oxygen on planets not too many light years from here.
So the scenario for either or both still exists.
But in either case, Pimander agrees they are 'alien' to us as a species, and in their level of advancement over us in areas of technology.
P.S. Just curious why you discount the possibility of ET life forms. Is it the air breathing issue?
Earth vs the Flying Saucers
While driving through the desert with his wife Carol Marvin to a military base to send the eleventh rocket into Earth orbit to assist the exploration of outer space in Operation Sky Hook, Dr. Russell A. Marvin and Carol see a flying saucer and accidentally records a message on their tape recorder. Once in the base, Dr. Russell is informed by his father-in-law and general that the ten first satellites mysteriously fell back to Earth. When Dr. Russell decodes the message, he encounters the aliens, who ask him to schedule a meeting with the leaders of Earth in Washington in 56 days in order to invade Earth without panicking the population. Dr. Russell develops an anti-magnetic weapon that becomes the last hope of the human race against the hostile aliens.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0049169/
The opening credits are presented in a book motif, while a hand turns the pages, revealing the credits. The cover of the book reads "A true story of a flying saucer", even though the usual "All characters, events are fictitious.." disclaimer appears within the credits.
(http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/aroundthemall/files/2011/06/EarthvsFS_05.jpg)
A true story...? Dr. Brow...errr Russells anti-magnetic device in the movie looks suspiciously like a radar unit. They would have needed an expert in RADAR. ;)
Cosmo
Quote from: COSMO on June 03, 2014, 07:24:23 AM
Earth vs the Flying Saucers
The opening credits are presented in a book motif, while a hand turns the pages, revealing the credits. The cover of the book reads "A true story of a flying saucer", even though the usual "All characters, events are fictitious.." disclaimer appears within the credits.
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(http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/aroundthemall/files/2011/06/EarthvsFS_05.jpg)
A true story...? Dr. Brow...errr Russells anti-magnetic device in the movie looks suspiciously like a radar unit. They would have needed an expert in RADAR. ;)
Cosmo
Cosmo, I noticed the same similarity between the device and a radar unit.
This 'vintage' movie was released in 1956 -
(http://www.austinchronicle.com/binary/cff8/screens_DVD1-2.jpg)
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5255/5516919582_56f14eac2d.jpg)
(http://imgc.allpostersimages.com/images/P-473-488-90/40/4060/MOLLF00Z/posters/earth-vs-the-flying-saucers-german-movie-poster-1956.jpg)
And the reason I brought it up is we were discussing radar in connection with Roswell.
Also because this movie has a very interesting credit -
(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/EvsFS-Keyhoe.jpg)
The plot is Flying Saucers arrive and begin buzzing TS military installations -
(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT81B_z3e4oxhB3mI0eGjTGL2tTzlgCKhuXKb8gfYbK19Pw0wyf3hf_3QaK)
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lef0gxzTND1qb7dheo1_500.png)
(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSkXlTIQj32MTBWbQtHNH5zB3AAYCRSelLkkmRbY0WurD86N-WdkQ)
(this appears to represent Hanford)
and also Washington DC -
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_8AjLnnjgqyc/S4d2QAt9oHI/AAAAAAAAAK0/h3OgVtTqdCA/s320/earthvstheflying+saucers.gif)
(http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/aroundthemall/files/2011/06/EarthvsFS_05.jpg)
(this movie was released 4 years after ufo's actually buzzed the White House)
and they begin blasting everything and abducting people -
(http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l8v4auoyae1qz72v7o1_500.jpg)
Our hero is a top scientist who has an idea about using his latest invention against the flying saucers -
(http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n31/Deadlymantis/EarthVsFlyingSaucers1.jpg)
...he takes it outside during a saucer attack and while aiming it at one, it is noticed it intereferes with the saucers ability to navigate. After conferring with the military a few dozen souped up models were mounted on flatbed trucks and deployed around the city.
This movie poster helps demonstrate the reality in that era, of the vast gulf differential between technologies in existence back then -
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kxrm6auUvI1qz72v7o1_500.jpg)
Having Maj. Donald Keyhoe as consultant is likely the reason there are so many factual case sighting elements to this film.
So then, how factual might this radar component to the film be, and it's connection to downing the craft at Roswell?
(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/EvsFS2.jpg)
(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/ws47.gif)
'White Sands 1953'
Quote from: the seeker on June 03, 2014, 05:36:03 AM
Indeed, A51, I recall reading all that material on the radar issue many times, recall Phil Corso's statements in his book; it just struck me after watching Bushman make that statement to David Serada a day or so ago ( the clip was recorded in '09, I think} that today I read the same statement in that article attributed to Lt Col French...
one does have to wonder just a tad... 8)
seeker
Indeed seeker.
I wonder if sinny noticed interviewer David Serada's speculation that 'The Weapon' the pilot was reminded he had on board and was told to use it, was thought to be Tesla's 'death ray' which is said to be based on microwave technology.
Now a Tesla monopulse radar would be something to behold, now wouldn't it? 8)
Quote from: A51Watcher on June 03, 2014, 08:23:05 AM
Indeed seeker.
I wonder if sinny noticed interviewer David Serada's speculation that 'The Weapon' the pilot was reminded he had on board and was told to use it, was thought to be Tesla's 'death ray' which is said to be based on microwave technology.
Now a Tesla monopulse radar would be something to behold, now wouldn't it? 8)
Absolutely; Need to procure a military surplus unit to examine, along with Tesla's car (also a model of his aeroship)... 8)
Quote from: A51Watcher on June 03, 2014, 07:17:38 AM
P.S. Just curious why you discount the possibility of ET life forms. Is it the air breathing issue?
I used to think UFO & AUP were ET and Intersteller... It's was Pi that made me explore further.
I think there may be life else where in the universe.. But I just don't think there is enough evidence to suggest we have been visited by anyone.
I think i'm leaning towards inter-dimentional manifestations, and the creations of a
very human break away civilisation
Quote from: Sinny on June 03, 2014, 01:01:09 PM
I used to think UFO & AUP were ET and Intersteller... It's was Pi that made me explore further.
I think there may be life else where in the universe.. But I just don't think there is enough evidence to suggest we have been visited by anyone.
I think i'm leaning towards inter-dimentional manifestations, and the creations of a very human break away civilisation
Sinny, you can't get most people to consider that some of the races here now have records that indicate that our current epoch is either the fourth of fifth run of civilisations here, each one being negated by some epic cataclysm...
and at a galactic age of some 15 billion years it seems highly unlikely that there haven't been any previous races of people of some form somewhere out there...
plus we have contactees such as our own Matrix that relate their experiences with others...
I tend to lean towards the majority of us here are aliens, since it appears that dna indicates most of ours just appeared here in the past...
time and patience will answer these questions...
seeker
You share a popular belief Seeker... A belief that was perpetuated (is that a word?) Throughout history by Sorcerers, Occultists, and Theosophists...
By thy fruit ye shall know them.
I'm yet to have seen anything positive come from this world view.
Quote from: Sinny on June 02, 2014, 03:30:37 PM
More lies I suspect..
Shot it down with an EMP weapon, really??
With you there, Sinny...
FB.
Quote from: Sinny on June 03, 2014, 01:01:09 PM
I used to think UFO & AUP were ET and Intersteller... It's was Pi that made me explore further.
I think there may be life else where in the universe.. But I just don't think there is enough evidence to suggest we have been visited by anyone.
I think i'm leaning towards inter-dimentional manifestations, and the creations of a very human break away civilisation
A
GOLDEN answer. I have to agree I am skeptical of any claims that radar took out the roswell craft simply due to the fact that over the years this technology is all around the world and yet by now we should have collected a vast armada of UFOs brought down in the same manner yet we see many stories of use of conventional weaponry to try and bring them down. If it was simply a matter of hitting them with directed radar then every time they entered our airspace we would have a new potential craft in our hands as they should ALL do the same. The only options are:
1) The craft was terrestrial in nature and susceptable to our technology
2) The other sightings were possibly an entirely different craft with different properties and capabilities. This would indicate either multiple species OR one species with many different craft at their disposal.
Quote from: Sinny on June 03, 2014, 01:01:09 PM
I used to think UFO & AUP were ET and Intersteller... It's was Pi that made me explore further.
I think there may be life else where in the universe.. But I just don't think there is enough evidence to suggest we have been visited by anyone.
I think i'm leaning towards inter-dimentional manifestations, and the creations of a very human break away civilisation
Good advice from Pim per usual.
So you have given up on Billy & co. then?
I would suggest to keep on exploring, and keeping an open mind.
Quote from: Ellirium113 on June 04, 2014, 04:18:35 PM
A GOLDEN answer. I have to agree I am skeptical of any claims that radar took out the roswell craft simply due to the fact that over the years this technology is all around the world and yet by now we should have collected a vast armada of UFOs brought down in the same manner yet we see many stories of use of conventional weaponry to try and bring them down. If it was simply a matter of hitting them with directed radar then every time they entered our airspace we would have a new potential craft in our hands as they should ALL do the same. The only options are:
1) The craft was terrestrial in nature and susceptable to our technology
2) The other sightings were possibly an entirely different craft with different properties and capabilities. This would indicate either multiple species OR one species with many different craft at their disposal.
That scenario does not take into account that the radar trick may have taken them by surprise the first time, but doubtful it would work again.
Deuem has seen claims that a missile without electronics on board (and possibly a non metallic hull) did the trick while they were occupied with new radar they did not realize we had yet.
Keep an open mind and continue to explore. We have no hard facts on what really caused it.
Even the original speculation of lightning could turn out to be true in the end.
Quote from: Sinny on June 04, 2014, 08:36:04 AM
You share a popular belief Seeker... A belief that was perpetuated (is that a word?) Throughout history by Sorcerers, Occultists, and Theosophists...
By thy fruit ye shall know them.
I'm yet to have seen anything positive come from this world view.
Now what belief would that be, Sinny? 8) Part of my view comes from the fact that my particular blood type (ab-) can be traced back to a certain point approximately 16,000 years ago and then isn't there;
as for the 'sorcerers' let them play with the d'jinn and others... that is not my cup of tea; "occultists"? Occult literally means Hidden; so, since I have been a student of the hidden knowledge gleaned from the teachings of the ancient mystery schools such as the Essenes, Gnostics, and (thanks to Zorgon) the Rosicrucians, perhaps that label fits...
but there are too many oopsartifacts scattered across the globe and throughout history to not point to previous civilisations here such as Atlantis and Lemuria as having some fact to their mythos...
I am of the same mindset as A51; keep an open mind and explore; our tiny bit we call civilization and knowledge base is not even the tip of the iceberg...
seeker
well why can't both scenarios be true....?
QuoteThat scenario does not take into account that the radar trick may have taken them by surprise the first time, but doubtful it would work again.
Deuem has seen claims that a missile without electronics on board (and possibly a non metallic hull) did the trick while they were occupies with new radar they did not realize we had.
Keep an open mind and continue to explore. We have no hard facts on what really caused it.
Even the original speculation of lightning could turn out to be true in the end.
Indeed, my mind gets blown wide open quite regularly here. ;)
I find it interesting that it would be assumed aliens would be adopting counter-measures to our technology. Obviously they have a vested interest in something on/in/around this planet if they would go to such lengths to be able to carry out their agenda among a hornet's nest of human activities. why have they not experienced any crashes due to other EM interferences from deliberate EMP weapons? Surely they do not know every ace up our sleeve. I still think we would have aqquired a larger amount of alien craft if they were at all susceptable to this sort of thing.
The cause, as I've stated before from my source: Interdimensional light speed + Van Allen Radiation Belt + Space Debris, don't mix.... ;D
Quote from: Fruitbat on June 04, 2014, 12:49:00 PM
Shot it down with an EMP weapon, really??
With you there, Sinny...
FB.
FB -
Apparently you are also with her on cryptic one liners.
Please enlighten us on what spectrum the navigation and links to the propulsion system operate in and what shielding these systems have against interference.
Quote from: sky otter on June 04, 2014, 07:54:46 PM
well why can't both scenarios be true....?
Exactly sky.
I know you are a proponent of the inter- dimensional theory, and at this point since no one knows for SURE, that scenario is possible.
We are all attempting to examine the puzzle pieces in our shoebox, and see which fit and are most probable.
A51
it's not so much that i am an proponent of either
i just haven't rulled ANYTHING out..
i think both scenarios have a high probability of truth
but neither has the smoking gun proof everyone seems to want
i laugh at the phrase photos or it didn't happen..
they aren't even allowed in court as proof anymore
and personal experience are questioned because of witness bias and general inability
to objectively report..not even mentioning the fake attention folk
so searching through the stuff that surfaces is all that is left and even then the argument is true or fake and it all only continues to makes circles
so i'm open to all of it being possible and waiting for either to come up and explaine it to me in person..
sooooooooooooooooooooo
i'll just go back to the garden and wait while you guys fight it out
when (and not if) i get my contact..i'll let ya know who came first
edit..if only i could speel...sigh :-[
The more we or they rely on technical equipment the more it can be taken out with simple tech until you know what you are up against.
People are taken out by a microscopic virus. And so on. Until you have a defense against that thorn, you can die very fast. Even if you are 1/2 million years ahead of us.
They simply had no freaking idea on what we did to them. They had to go back to the black board and figure it out. Humans can be very creative when we need to save our butts. When a society gets to a point that it has everything it ever dreamed of then creativity goes away. There is no longer a need for it. Remember, Necessity is the mother of invention.
So, YEA!, we shot them down and they never knew what hit them. Rather that was the best thing to do is up to time to tell. ::)
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from Ellirium113 -
QuoteEllerium, let me ask a question; according to Bob Lazar there are 6 or 7 different craft at S-4; also supposed to be another S area that has been mentioned; so, how many do we think we are supposed to have? I can think of at least 3+ more from other countries around the world that have been reported...
seeker
Well, Sgt. Clifford Stone claims to have catalogued over 20 different species of aliens. While I do not doubt the existence of aliens, I do also speculate that some captured or recovered craft could be man made. If we look back at the Nazi UFO myths there were many variants created, same with the drawings we have all seen from AVRO. Could Bob have known that all of these craft were ET? How many other countries could have reverse engineered a craft? It is alleged even the Nazi's recovered and reverse engineered a craft in addition to creating their own from exotic technology developed on earth. I think in this day and age that if there truly is over 20+ different species of aliens each with multiple variants of UFO's we would have in our possession far more than a mere handful given the advancement of our weaponry.
Seeker -
Just a point of clarification -
Bob said there were a total of nine craft in our possession at S4, each a different shape.
The 'assortment pack' he said.
However he was told that they ALL use element 115 propulsion technology.
I'm pretty sure that quote was in this interview -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VWmNm6J09M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VWmNm6J09M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VWmNm6J09M)
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on June 04, 2014, 09:04:33 PM
The cause, as I've stated before from my source: Interdimensional light speed + Van Allen Radiation Belt + Space Debris, don't mix.... ;D
Very interesting puzzle piece there Sarge.
So he's saying they got a flat tire before they even made it to earth?
My point. The ship(s) May have been hit with a special radar or may have been shot down with a new high tech weapon (late 1940's super weapon)??? Or maybe driving while intoxicated, I don't know at this point. I will say Dr. Resnick told me his source informed him of the inter-dimensional warping & coming into contact with debris in the Van Allen belt. One craft was damaged. He told me he couldn't reveal his source until after the source has passed away.
Quote from: A51Watcher on June 05, 2014, 02:50:12 AM
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from Ellirium113 -
Well, Sgt. Clifford Stone claims to have catalogued over 20 different species of aliens. While I do not doubt the existence of aliens, I do also speculate that some captured or recovered craft could be man made. If we look back at the Nazi UFO myths there were many variants created, same with the drawings we have all seen from AVRO. Could Bob have known that all of these craft were ET? How many other countries could have reverse engineered a craft? It is alleged even the Nazi's recovered and reverse engineered a craft in addition to creating their own from exotic technology developed on earth. I think in this day and age that if there truly is over 20+ different species of aliens each with multiple variants of UFO's we would have in our possession far more than a mere handful given the advancement of our weaponry.
Actually, from a conversation I had with Clifford during his thread run over at Spookz, it is 57 different races; and again, how, unless far more whistle-blowers come forth, are we to know how many are squirreled away?
I have been told that the US facility down in Oz at Pine Gap is :A.) 97% underground ,B.) a very large S-4 like area. C.) and a hot bed of activities/sightings that are never reported to the outside world; Alice Springs is a sleepy little town that survives mostly from commerce with or about Pine Gap...
whether this is true or not I have no way of knowing, but it is a difficult place to gather info about...
Then there is Dugway Proving Ground in Utah; also just recently heard about(not edwards air force base but) Edwards North...
Last item is why are 80% of our orbital star wars systems pointed away from earth?
seeker
Quote from: A51Watcher on June 05, 2014, 02:55:46 AM
Seeker -
Just a point of clarification -
Bob said there were a total of nine craft in our possession at S4, each a different shape.
The 'assortment pack' he said.
However he was told that they ALL use element 115 propulsion technology.
I'm pretty sure that quote was in this interview -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VWmNm6J09M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VWmNm6J09M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VWmNm6J09M)
I stand corrected, sir; upon reviewing my data, it is 9 8)
seeker
I don't think it matters much if there are 20 different aliens or 57 of them. If there is just 1, we are not alone and our little world is no longer all by itself. And we have been lyied to all these years. Lets not forget that.
Hi Sinny,
I think that I can see that you may have a barrier of not having found the evidence that you have been searching for ,in terms of not as yet having found any believable beyond a doubt that ET either exist or has visited.
I think that We certainly have seen several examples of what seems high possibilities that there are things that have been shown or discussed that is as good as it can get...BUT without any true beyond a doubt proof. Maybe such as close up video or photographic visual evidence..
With A51 and Bob Lazar and others claims...that certainly to me suggest that highly advanced craft beyond what is generally known could exist.
Without us actually witnessing this personally...we may still have some doubts....But I think PRC has done as well as is what we are likely to get for the time being in suggesting that it has higher than average evidence possibilities to be truth.
Matrix's work & descriptions seems hard not to believe..BUT I will say that I am disappointed that so far we have not seen visual evidence as great as his work suggests..Seeing what he has shown so far..I would find it hard maybe now not to believe him...
I am not 100% convinced as yet myself without seeing beyond doubt visual evidence, but what I have seen within the last 2 years on PRC has certainly been quite incredible in my opinion..
I just hope that time will show or convince us more in the near future.
Can I ask what does AUP stand for ?
QuoteI used to think UFO & AUP were ET and Intersteller... It's was Pi that made me explore further.
I think there may be life else where in the universe.. But I just don't think there is enough evidence to suggest we have been visited by anyone.
I think i'm leaning towards inter-dimentional manifestations, and the creations of a very human break away civilisation
A51,
Do you recall or can you briefly explain what a Terrestrial alien is described as ?
QuotePimander started a great thread here making the case for Terrestrial aliens being here as opposed to Extraterrestrial aliens being here.
Quote from: astr0144 on June 05, 2014, 07:15:34 AM
Do you recall or can you briefly explain what a Terrestrial alien is described as ?
Even better, here is Pimander's thread on the subject -
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=5372.0 (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=5372.0)
As you can see, breathing oxygen is one of the big underpinnings of this theory.
One member then created a thread on oxygen found recently on several stars within 30 light years as I recall.
Also in the last few weeks there has been some announcements from our latest deep field views of finding a lot more earth like planets with oxygen also.
The other problem would have to be microbial, for those not acclimated to our local biosphere and having the needed local antibodies to deal with them.
Could their technology deal with them via a vaccine?
The primary question - if we have terrestrial aliens who have been here (probably longer than us) is - where are their bases?
Underground or underwater?
Thanks for explaining A51,
Yes I can see how it can raise relevant questions !
I would think if ETs visit earth that their technology would be so advanced that the atmosphere would not really be a problem to them.
Its a bit tricky to envision other beings that we are not more aware of other than humans that may have originally be of Earth that we may think of as being Aliens...that we would not have more evidence of IMO...
but its not to say its not possible....
Quote from: astr0144 on June 05, 2014, 08:42:08 AM
Thanks for explaining A51
Its a bit tricky to envision other beings that we are not more aware of other than humans that may have originally be of Earth that we may think of as being Aliens...that we would not have more evidence of IMO...
but its not to say its not possible....
Astro, I have to submit that the Pyramids, Machu Picchu, Easter island, all point to ancient civs that are from the far distant past, along with many items detailed here:
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?board=142.0
seeker
Quote from: A51Watcher on June 04, 2014, 06:44:34 PM
Good advice from Pim per usual.
So you have given up on Billy & co. then?
I would suggest to keep on exploring, and keeping an open mind.
Billy is an enigma I'm still trying to pin down.
I find it curious his aliens were German Nordic speaking, and I find it curious that Stevens was involved, after Stevens was involved in the Solar Cross Foundation and a whole bunch of wierd stuff in Alaska.
I'm trying to find Billy link to the Military Complex, and/or Occult...
It still remains a strange case..
Quote from: astr0144 on June 05, 2014, 07:15:34 AM
Hi Sinny,
I think that I can see that you may have a barrier of not having found the evidence that you have been searching for ,in terms of not as yet having found any believable beyond a doubt that ET either exist or has visited.
I have had to re-evaluate my world view when it came to light that
what I already deemed as evidence of ET..
Turned out to be very Terrestrial. Peter Levander, John Keel, and Charles Fort have done some brilliant work, as has Peter Beter, and Frits Springmeier....
The rabbit hole is oh soo deep... and leads to oh so many strange
humans.
As it stands at the moment, the only questions mark over
ET I have are the large UFO's in the rest of our solar system, surrounding our sun and Saturn... However I have reason to believe those capabilities
MAY be human also..
Seeker,
I assume that you believe or maybe consider that these things were built from something other than human (as what we consider Human like us )..if so that could be from either or both Terrestrial or extra terrestrial Aliens.
With the Pyramids there has been quite a lot recently been shown and proven as to how humans could have built them... But If ET or TAs exist then that may seem a more likely possibility they they had some impact on creating them I would think..
Astr0
QuoteAstro, I have to submit that the Pyramids, Machu Picchu, Easter island, all point to ancient civs that are from the far distant past, along with many items detailed here:
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?board=142.0
Not looked at their work as yet, But I have seen others who have shown what may have been other types of Human...But so far I have not been convinced that they may have been advanced like Alien abilities...
It may be very possible that there are Large type human Space craft...as I do believe that there could be a secret space program..but Id question maybe how they obtained their technology...and I still think that there could be a good probability it would be from ETs...
but as yet have no proof..
QuotePeter Levander, John Keel, and Charles Fort have done some brilliant work, as has Peter Beter, and Frits Springmeier....
The rabbit hole is oh soo deep... and leads to oh so many strange humans.
As it stands at the moment, the only questions mark over ET I have are the large UFO's in the rest of our solar system, surrounding our sun and Saturn... However I have reason to believe those capabilities MAY be human also..
Can I ask what does AUP stand for ?
Quote from: astr0144 on June 05, 2014, 05:54:57 PM
Seeker,
I assume that you believe or maybe consider that these things were built from something other than human (as what we consider Human like us )..if so that could be from either or both Terrestrial or extra terrestrial Aliens.
With the Pyramids there has been quite a lot recently been shown and proven as to how humans could have built them... But If ET or TAs exist then that may seem a more likely possibility they they had some impact on creating them I would think..
Astr0
Astro, it has been rumored for quite some time that Dr Hawass and others squashed the fact that the earliest Egyptian records indicate that the pyramids were found, not built, by the ancient Egyptians...
also that the hall of records was discovered under the fore paws of the sphinx as predicted by edgar Cayce, and covered up...
seeker
QuoteIt may be very possible that there are Large type human Space craft...as I do believe that there could be a secret space program..but Id question maybe how they obtained their technology...and I still think that there could be a good probability it would be from ETs...
but as yet have no proof..
I sure hope so AND I hope we are abducting aliens with them as well. :P Wonder how they would react if we just traumatized them by snatching up a few? :D
I was not aware of this Seeker.
If can be proven, would be most thought provoking !
I wonder how many years back that the earliest Egyptians arrived ?
and what age that they suggest that the Pyramids may be ?
QuoteAstro, it has been rumored for quite some time that Dr Hawass and others squashed the fact that the earliest Egyptian records indicate that the pyramids were found, not built, by the ancient Egyptians...
also that the hall of records was discovered under the fore paws of the sphinx as predicted by edgar Cayce, and covered up...
Now that would be interesting :) if we do have such technology, judging from our past of always seeking power and taking over what we can...It may not be so far beyond possibility...Providing that we do not meet or try to take over a too powerful higher technological species.. :-\
Id still have to question how we obtained the potential technology in the 1st place....Maybe one species could offer us greater technology and explain how we could use it for certain purposes against other lesser advanced craft than what we may have obtained, that may be venturing out there..
QuoteI sure hope so AND I hope we are abducting aliens with them as well. :P Wonder how they would react if we just traumatized them by snatching up a few? :D
Well I could definitely see us becoming the "Pakleds" of the universe if we DO manage to get out there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeFoGo3N_4g
To elaborate more on the clip... It turned out they "STEAL" and usurp technology in any way they can. :P
Quote from: astr0144 on June 05, 2014, 11:01:29 PM
I was not aware of this Seeker.
If can be proven, would be most thought provoking !
I wonder how many years back that the earliest Egyptians arrived ?
and what age that they suggest that the Pyramids may be ?
Astro, I will give you some food for thought...
the link below is about Thoth, the Atlantean...
you might find it of interest...
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=2464.msg34106#msg34106
seeker
Quote from: astr0144 on June 05, 2014, 06:05:54 PM
Can I ask what does AUP stand for ?
Sorry typo.. UAP. Unidentified Ariel Phenomena.
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on June 05, 2014, 03:06:49 AM
I will say Dr. Resnick told me his source informed him of the inter-dimensional warping & coming into contact with debris in the Van Allen belt.
Did he said what kind of debris were those?
No, he only told me what I posted and couldn't say anymore .
I am just curious as to what debris would be in orbit circa 1947? something like the "Black Knight" left by a fore-runner civilization?
seeker