Roswell UFO Crash: There Were 2 Crashes, Not 1, Says Ex-Air Force Official

[Sinny]

That's quite a cryptic reply Sinny.

I'd like to know what you base that assessment on.

Do you have evidence of previous lies from Lt. Col. French?

Sorry, i was guilty of thinking out-loud.. I don't know much about Col French..
But i do know a bit about the UFO phenomena, and i highly doubt that there were real aliens present at any Rowell crash. Bodies perhaps, but i'm under the impression they come from our planet. Anything pointing towards interstellar alien beings, is pure dis, or mis-information... IMO.

[A51Watcher]

Sinny, thanks for the clarification.

Pimander started a great thread here making the case for Terrestrial aliens being here as opposed to Extraterrestrial aliens being here.

However a member here later made a thread, indicating oxygen on planets not too many light years from here.


So the scenario for either or both still exists.


But in either case, Pimander agrees they are 'alien' to us as a species, and in their level of advancement over us in areas of technology.


P.S. Just curious why you discount the possibility of ET life forms. Is it the air breathing issue?




   

[COSMO]

Earth vs the Flying Saucers

While driving through the desert with his wife Carol Marvin to a military base to send the eleventh rocket into Earth orbit to assist the exploration of outer space in Operation Sky Hook, Dr. Russell A. Marvin and Carol see a flying saucer and accidentally records a message on their tape recorder. Once in the base, Dr. Russell is informed by his father-in-law and general that the ten first satellites mysteriously fell back to Earth. When Dr. Russell decodes the message, he encounters the aliens, who ask him to schedule a meeting with the leaders of Earth in Washington in 56 days in order to invade Earth without panicking the population. Dr. Russell develops an anti-magnetic weapon that becomes the last hope of the human race against the hostile aliens.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0049169/

The opening credits are presented in a book motif, while a hand turns the pages, revealing the credits. The cover of the book reads "A true story of a flying saucer", even though the usual "All characters, events are fictitious.." disclaimer appears within the credits.



A true story...?  Dr. Brow...errr Russells anti-magnetic device in the movie looks suspiciously like a radar unit.  They would have needed an expert in RADAR. 

Cosmo

[A51Watcher]

Earth vs the Flying Saucers

The opening credits are presented in a book motif, while a hand turns the pages, revealing the credits. The cover of the book reads "A true story of a flying saucer", even though the usual "All characters, events are fictitious.." disclaimer appears within the credits.
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A true story...?  Dr. Brow...errr Russells anti-magnetic device in the movie looks suspiciously like a radar unit.  They would have needed an expert in RADAR. 

Cosmo

Cosmo, I noticed the same similarity between the device and a radar unit.


This 'vintage' movie was released in 1956 - 












And the reason I brought it up is we were discussing radar in connection with Roswell.


Also because this movie has a very interesting credit -








The plot is Flying Saucers arrive and begin buzzing TS military installations -









(this appears to represent Hanford)




and also Washington DC -






(this movie was released 4 years after ufo's actually buzzed the White House)




and they begin blasting everything and abducting people -








Our hero is a top scientist who has an idea about using his latest invention against the flying saucers -




...he takes it outside during a saucer attack and while aiming it at one, it is noticed it intereferes with the saucers ability to navigate. After conferring with the military a few dozen souped up models were mounted on flatbed trucks and deployed around the city.





This movie poster helps demonstrate the reality in that era, of the vast gulf differential between technologies in existence back then -








Having Maj. Donald Keyhoe as consultant is likely the reason there are so many factual case sighting elements to this film.


So then, how factual might this radar component to the film be, and it's connection to downing the craft at Roswell?






'White Sands 1953'

[A51Watcher]

Indeed, A51, I recall reading all that material on the radar issue many times, recall Phil Corso's statements in his book; it just struck me after watching Bushman make that statement to David Serada a day or so ago ( the clip was recorded in '09, I think} that today I read the same statement in that article attributed to Lt Col French...

one does have to  wonder just a tad...


seeker

Indeed seeker.

I wonder if sinny noticed interviewer David Serada's speculation that 'The Weapon' the pilot was reminded he had on board and was told to use it, was thought to be Tesla's 'death ray' which is said to be based on microwave technology.

Now a Tesla monopulse radar would be something to behold, now wouldn't it? 

[The Seeker]

Indeed seeker.

I wonder if sinny noticed interviewer David Serada's speculation that 'The Weapon' the pilot was reminded he had on board and was told to use it, was thought to be Tesla's 'death ray' which is said to be based on microwave technology.

Now a Tesla monopulse radar would be something to behold, now wouldn't it? 

Absolutely; Need to procure a military surplus unit to examine, along with Tesla's car (also a model of his aeroship)...

[Sinny]

P.S. Just curious why you discount the possibility of ET life forms. Is it the air breathing issue?

I used to think UFO & AUP were ET and Intersteller... It's was Pi that made me explore further.

I think there may be life else where in the universe.. But I just don't think there is enough evidence to suggest we have been visited by anyone.

I think i'm leaning towards inter-dimentional manifestations, and the creations of a very human break away civilisation

[The Seeker]

I used to think UFO & AUP were ET and Intersteller... It's was Pi that made me explore further.

I think there may be life else where in the universe.. But I just don't think there is enough evidence to suggest we have been visited by anyone.

I think i'm leaning towards inter-dimentional manifestations, and the creations of a very human break away civilisation

Sinny, you can't get most people to consider that some of the races here now have records that indicate that our current epoch is either the fourth of fifth run of civilisations here, each one being negated by some epic cataclysm...

and at a galactic age of some 15 billion years it seems highly unlikely that there haven't been any previous races of people of some form somewhere out there...

plus we have contactees such as our own Matrix that relate their experiences with others...

I tend to lean towards the majority of us here are aliens, since it appears that dna indicates most of ours just appeared here in the past...

time and patience will answer these questions...


seeker

[Sinny]

You share a popular belief Seeker... A belief that was perpetuated (is that a word?) Throughout history by Sorcerers, Occultists, and Theosophists...

By thy fruit ye shall know them.

I'm yet to have seen anything positive come from this world view.

[Fruitbat]

More lies I suspect..

Shot it down with an EMP weapon, really??
With you there, Sinny...
FB.

[Ellirium113]

I used to think UFO & AUP were ET and Intersteller... It's was Pi that made me explore further.

I think there may be life else where in the universe.. But I just don't think there is enough evidence to suggest we have been visited by anyone.

I think i'm leaning towards inter-dimentional manifestations, and the creations of a very human break away civilisation

A GOLDEN answer. I have to agree I am skeptical of any claims that radar took out the roswell craft simply due to the fact that over the years this technology is all around the world and yet by now we should have collected a vast armada of UFOs brought down in the same manner yet we see many stories of use of conventional weaponry to try and bring them down. If it was simply a matter of hitting them with directed radar then every time they entered our airspace we would have a new potential craft in our hands as they should ALL do the same. The only options are:

1) The craft was terrestrial in nature and susceptable to our technology

2) The other sightings were possibly an entirely different craft with different properties and capabilities. This would indicate either multiple species OR one species with many different craft at their disposal.

[A51Watcher]

I used to think UFO & AUP were ET and Intersteller... It's was Pi that made me explore further.

I think there may be life else where in the universe.. But I just don't think there is enough evidence to suggest we have been visited by anyone.

I think i'm leaning towards inter-dimentional manifestations, and the creations of a very human break away civilisation

Good advice from Pim per usual.

So you have given up on Billy & co. then?


I would suggest to keep on exploring, and keeping an open mind.

[A51Watcher]

A GOLDEN answer. I have to agree I am skeptical of any claims that radar took out the roswell craft simply due to the fact that over the years this technology is all around the world and yet by now we should have collected a vast armada of UFOs brought down in the same manner yet we see many stories of use of conventional weaponry to try and bring them down. If it was simply a matter of hitting them with directed radar then every time they entered our airspace we would have a new potential craft in our hands as they should ALL do the same. The only options are:

1) The craft was terrestrial in nature and susceptable to our technology

2) The other sightings were possibly an entirely different craft with different properties and capabilities. This would indicate either multiple species OR one species with many different craft at their disposal.

That scenario does not take into account that the radar trick may have taken them by surprise the first time, but doubtful it would work again.

Deuem has seen claims that a missile without electronics on board (and possibly a non metallic hull) did the trick while they were occupied with new radar they did not realize we had yet.


Keep an open mind and continue to explore. We have no hard facts on what really caused it.

Even the original speculation of lightning could turn out to be true in the end.

[The Seeker]

You share a popular belief Seeker... A belief that was perpetuated (is that a word?) Throughout history by Sorcerers, Occultists, and Theosophists...

By thy fruit ye shall know them.

I'm yet to have seen anything positive come from this world view.

Now what belief would that be, Sinny?  Part of my view comes from the fact that my particular blood type (ab-) can be traced back to a certain point approximately 16,000 years ago and then isn't there;

as for the 'sorcerers' let them play with the d'jinn and others... that is not my cup of tea; "occultists"?  Occult literally means Hidden; so, since I have been a student of the hidden knowledge gleaned from the teachings of the ancient mystery schools such as the Essenes, Gnostics, and (thanks to Zorgon) the Rosicrucians, perhaps that label fits...

but there are too many oopsartifacts scattered across the globe and throughout history to not point to previous civilisations here such as Atlantis and Lemuria as having some fact to their mythos...

I am of the same mindset as A51; keep an open mind and explore; our tiny bit we call civilization and knowledge base is not even the tip of the iceberg...


seeker

[sky otter]

well why can't both scenarios be true....?