Will ET Be Here Soon? NASA Brings Scientists, Theologians Together To Prepare.
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Looking for extraterrestrial life is akin to a search for a cosmic needle-in-a-haystack, as evidenced by the above incredible Hubble Space Telescope image showing approximately 10,000 galaxies.
In large part, thanks to NASA's Kepler spacecraft, more than 1,400 planets have been identified beyond Earth.
A few days ago, NASA tried closing the gap between life on Earth and the possibilities of life elsewhere. The space agency and the Library of Congress (image below left) brought together scientists, historians, philosophers and theologians from around the world for a two-day symposium, "Preparing For Discovery." Their agenda: To explore how we prepare for the inevitable discovery of extraterrestrial life, be it simple microbial organisms or intelligent beings.
"We're looking at all scenarios about finding life. If you find microbes, that's one thing. If you find intelligence, it's another. And if they communicate, it's something else, and depending on what they say, it's something else!" said astronomer, symposium organizer and former chief NASA historian, Steven J. Dick.
"The idea is not to wait until we make a discovery, but to try and prepare the public for what the implications might be when such a discovery is made," Dick told The Huffington Post. "I think the reason that NASA is backing this is because of all the recent activity in the discovery of exoplanets and the advances in astrobiology in general.
"People just consider it much more likely now that we're going to find something -- probably microbes first and maybe intelligence later," he added. "The driving force behind this is from a scientific point of view that it seems much more likely now that we are going to find life at some point in the future."
Among the many speakers at last week's astrobiology symposium, one has raised a few international eyebrows in recent years.
"I believe [alien life exists], but I have no evidence. I would be really excited and it would make my understanding of my religion deeper and richer in ways that I can't even predict yet, which is why it would be so exciting," Brother Guy Consolmagno, a Jesuit priest, astronomer and Vatican planetary scientist told HuffPost senior science editor David Freeman.
Consolmagno has publicly stated his belief that "any entity -- no matter how many tentacles it has -- has a soul," and he's suggested that he would be happy to baptize any ETs, as long as they requested it.
"There has to be freedom to do science. Being a good scientist means admitting we never have the whole truth -- there's always more to learn." Consolmagno also doesn't think the public would panic when or if it's revealed that alien life has been found.
"I really think it would be a three-day wonder and then we'd go back to worrying about reality TV or the crazy things going on in Washington -- that's the way human beings are. Because I think most people are like me: we expect it's out there. And our reaction would be, 'Wow, thank heavens. It's about time."
Earth is no longer the center of the universe, nor is it flat -- at least that's the currently accepted thinking among most scientists. And we now know, conclusively, that there are a lot more planets than the ones in our own solar system.
"The number of habitable worlds in our galaxy is certainly in the tens of billions, minimum, and we haven't even talked about the moons. And the number of galaxies we can see, other than our own, is about 100 billion," Seth Shostak, senior astronomer at California's SETI Institute told HuffPost.
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Quote from: astr0144 on September 23, 2014, 12:40:19 AM
Will ET Be Here Soon? NASA Brings Scientists, Theologians Together To Prepare.
NASA, a Federal Gov Institution getting in bed with the Church?
OH NO WE ARE DOOMED
Hallowed be the Ori!!!Sigh I hope this is not how they plan disclosure... Pope has already said he is ready to Baptize them
Religionists and scientists, , , , ::)
Quote from: zorgon on September 23, 2014, 01:31:42 AM
Sigh I hope this is not how they plan disclosure... Pope has already said he is ready to Baptize them
I bet they will think he is insane? Can you imagine the Martians tapping in. There could be a cosmic war: The battle to be the first baptised ET! ::)
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"Pope has already said he is ready to Baptize them"
This is a senseless and unknowing statement for the Pope to make. The disobedience by man in the Garden of Eden is what put Earth-man under the curse of sin and death - and all of the resulting "stuff" to free man from that curse, including "baptism" is for all those under that curse. IMHO, ET's would not be under that same curse, and thus exempt from water baptism, which symbolizes the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ, in the action of the one being baptized.
Fact for sure, we do not know what we do not know about ET's! :)
There could be a cosmic war, some say it has happened in the past;
for all we know ET may not be on our side, consider Norvals thread:
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=7369.msg103046#msg103046
Perhaps ET is not interested in "repentance" . ;)
Quote from: zorgon on September 23, 2014, 01:31:42 AM
NASA, a Federal Gov Institution getting in bed with the Church?
Sigh I hope this is not how they plan disclosure...
If this "togetherness" is actually happening, this would likely result in the scheming plan of "How To Break It To Them Gently" approach to disclosure. Talk about what we might learn, with the various variation possibilities of ET's and all of the such, so that when it is finally "disclosed", no one is actually surprised!! Now is that just brilliant - ha ha ahha!
Quote from: burntheships on September 23, 2014, 06:46:16 PM
There could be a cosmic war, some say it has happened in the past;
for all we know ET may not be on our side, consider Norvals thread:
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=7369.msg103046#msg103046
Perhaps ET is not interested in "repentance" . ;)
Agree entirely. Consider their technology is thousands of years ahead of us. Tens of thousands? More? What do they stand to get from us? Nothing. We're a nuisance species. We are a violent species. Constantly at war with ourselves, wasteful with resources, class stratified.
Our planet however? A gem of a planet. Liquid water, mineral resource rich, abundant lifeforms.
Our planet is desireable. Our human species... problematic. But that can be fixed.
QuoteWill ET Be Here Soon? NASA Brings Scientists, Theologians Together To Prepare.
Of course they are ..... Whoever 'they', are being referred to. :)
LOL. Why is it, that the 'human Primate' is hell bent on trying to change the '
Times',
and
dream of being in Control ....
The
ONLY one in Control, is
LIFE, thank goodness.
How can 'they' whoever 'they' are referring to :) be coming soonnnnnnn, when some are already here,
and have been for
the last few thousand years ?
Quote from: rdunk on September 23, 2014, 06:16:45 PM
"Pope has already said he is ready to Baptize them"
This is a senseless and unknowing statement for the Pope to make. The disobedience by man in the Garden of Eden is what put Earth-man under the curse of sin and death - and all of the resulting "stuff" to free man from that curse, including "baptism" is for all those under that curse. IMHO, ET's would not be under that same curse, and thus exempt from water baptism, which symbolizes the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ, in the action of the one being baptized.
Fact for sure, we do not know what we do not know about ET's! :)
Gotta love a God that punishes People that had nothing to do with the "original sin." Very fair and just... Heh.
Quote from: WarToad on September 23, 2014, 08:21:30 PM
Agree entirely. Consider their technology is thousands of years ahead of us. Tens of thousands? More?
Why does everyone assume they are that advanced? A hundred years ago Tesla had the answer but we chose WAR instead of RESEARCH
The only thing stopping us from being the scourge of the Galaxy is a good drive system. We had the designs for it, the NAZI were working on it and we likely have it in black ops and space command already according to our research
So they do not need to be advanced by much... they only need to have developed a space drive ahead of us.
Then too some Troglodytes could have stolen space craft similar to our reverse engineeering
::)
QuoteWhat do they stand to get from us? Nothing. We're a nuisance species. We are a violent species. Constantly at war with ourselves, wasteful with resources, class stratified.
Well peace leads to apathy. A race at constant peace does not grow they stagnate. We saw it with the fall of Rome, we saw it with the fall of Persepolis and we are seeing it today in the USA...
When people have free time and generally a good life they become lazy and apathetic... they forget how to fight and defend themselves and soon the Utopia is easily preyed on from outside
So being an agressive species means we WILL become the scourge of the Galaxy someday soon
It also means that other races out there are more likely to be aggressive rather than passive
Do NOT hold your breath that they are coming here to save us from ourselves. They are likely here to check out the competition and do a threat analysis
QuoteOur planet however? A gem of a planet. Liquid water, mineral resource rich, abundant lifeforms.
Water is abundant... there are Jupiter size planets of water that we have spotted already. We are in the middle of NOWHERE literally on the fringes of the Galaxy We are 50 light years above the plane and on the edge of the rim
Quote from: zorgon on September 23, 2014, 09:03:49 PM
Why does everyone assume they are that advanced? A hundred years ago Tesla had the answer but we chose WAR instead of RESEARCH
Mainly TPTB chose war, propagandized Us to support it, and They made buttloads of money.
Quote from: Amaterasu on September 23, 2014, 09:01:52 PM
Gotta love a God that punishes People that had nothing to do with the "original sin." Very fair and just... Heh.
Sens all the Gods, Angels, Demons, Seraphin, and other assorted characters in all our Books of Myth are ALL NOT OF THIS EARTH... they are in fact TRUE ET
There is not ONE Book of Myth out there that says they were ever fair... in fact they all promote killing the Infidels (Non believers) and if you don't behave it's the Devil (another ET) to pay
So it proves my point
ET has hostile intent ::)
Quote from: Amaterasu on September 23, 2014, 09:06:36 PM
Mainly TPTB chose war, propagandized Us to support it, and They made buttloads of money.
That does NOT answer my question.
The question was "Why does everyone assume they must be advanced?"
::)
Zorgon, I believe one reason most people assume that ET must be more advanced is based on the age of the universe, our galaxy, and our quaint little ball of rock;
earth herself is supposedly 13 billion years old, and apparently the supposition that any outside races have had several billion years to develop before we crawled out of the slime could play a part in it;
I am of the opinion that any we encounter may be older, but not necessarily greatly advanced; could be on a par with us and just had one or two items work out quicker than we have...
Quote from: zorgon on September 23, 2014, 09:19:13 PM
That does NOT answer my question.
The question was "Why does everyone assume they must be advanced?"
::)
[shrug] Was not trying to answer the question. Just pointing out that "We" is a poor choice in claiming a choice to war.
Quote from: zorgon on September 23, 2014, 09:19:13 PM
That does NOT answer my question.
The question was "Why does everyone assume they must be advanced?"
::)
, , , as you also stated, , we use their technology by reverse engineering. :P
There are only TWO kinds of ET's Good and Bad, the kind you would want for a neighbor, and the kind you don't want for a neighbor. ;D
The war up there is over, , the Bad ones were thrown down here, , , , ,
Yes, the time is short, , , , , , , , , , ;D
Will ET Be Here Soon? NASA Brings Scientists, Theologians Together To Prepare
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Quote from: Norval on September 23, 2014, 09:44:00 PM
There are only TWO kinds of ET's Good and Bad, the kind you would want for a neighbor, and the kind you don't want for a neighbor. ;D
If you were a conscious cheeseburger would you judge any who want to eat you as EVIL or GOOD?
Quote
The war up there is over, , the Bad ones were thrown down here, , , , ,
Yes, the time is short, , , , , , , , , , ;D
Maybe...maybe not. Maybe they only like certain flavors of cheeseburgers. :P
I'm an evil Cheeseburger. What do I taste like? :o
QuoteDo NOT hold your breath that they are coming here to save us from ourselves. They are likely here to check out the competition and do a threat analysis
Now that's closer to the
Truth of the Matter Z.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZZvtQtdbzM
Love the bit where some get out there to welcome the Visitors, with their banners etc.
The Visitors then respond with delivering a little explosion. :o :(
Quote from: the seeker on September 23, 2014, 09:30:13 PM
I am of the opinion that any we encounter may be older, but not necessarily greatly advanced;
My thoughts too, highly likely "they" are "older than dirt".
Quote from: zorgon on September 23, 2014, 09:19:13 PM
That does NOT answer my question.
The question was "Why does everyone assume they must be advanced?"
::)
Obviously, we cannot yet get to them, and where they live! If they can get to us from where they live, then they are very likely to be "advanced" beyond us IMO. :)
Quote from: Pimander on September 24, 2014, 12:19:58 AM
I'm an evil Cheeseburger. What do I taste like? :o
Because your an EVIL burger you would be barbequed with extra bacon as well...DELICIOUS. ;D
Quote from: rdunk on September 24, 2014, 06:42:00 AM
Obviously, we cannot yet get to them, and where they live! If they can get to us from where they live, then they are very likely to be "advanced" beyond us IMO. :)
Ahhhh...but what if. They have already been here, traded with our ancestors the technology, and wisdom to prosper and evolve as a peace loving people. They collected what they wanted/needed and left.
They came back at a much later date to check up on us. Saw that we screwed it all up beyond imagination. So, took off again, and just wrote us off as not intelligent enough to waste their time on anymore.
Des
I wonder if this isn't putting the cart a few blocks out ahead of the horse? Unless technology exists that we have no hint of at this point, then we are still a life form trapped by logistics within our own Solar System. By modern technology, we're trapped much closer than that, to be realistic.
So, isn't this akin to a boy in Africa or America spending serious time and effort speculating about Antarctica without the hope of ever seeing it for a direct observation? Whatever the boy would determine, right or wrong, would be moot for his lifetime, as nothing he could determine would make any difference beyond the geography category of a trivia game?
On the other hand, we do have a number of planets and many more moons that are within flight distance of unmanned systems, at the least.
With that in mind, wouldn't it be far more productive for NASA to focus exclusively on answering the question within range of what we can reach today, rather than speculating on what is beyond physical possibility to start toward within our lifetimes?
It seems to me, the only way this question is answered outside our Solar System is if "they" come to "us". If that is the case, we're talking alien realities by definition and so, nothing done to prepare for what cannot be imagined would be productive at this stage, would it?
wrabbit, some reading material for you:
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=6359.0
you might find it of interest...
seeker
Quote from: Wrabbit2000 on September 24, 2014, 09:03:06 PM
With that in mind, wouldn't it be far more productive for NASA to focus exclusively on answering the question within range of what we can reach today, rather than speculating on what is beyond physical possibility to start toward within our lifetimes?
The military industrial complex are so fixated on squeezing every penny it can (including faking Moon landing footage) out of the US tax payer, I think it would be more likely that the Chines will do it first at a tenth the cost.
The thing that I always ask myself is why do people think that the ET society would be any different then what we have here?
Any ET out there is bound the have the same corruption, the same people trying to exploit.
Seems like the way of the universe, only the strong survive.
QuoteWell peace leads to apathy. A race at constant peace does not grow they stagnate.
Now this will keep me awake tonight, this is the first time I looked at it like that, gold.
Lol Wrabbit2000 nice to see you here, we had a few U2's back at ATS, I was MessageforALL :) Untill I got the B hamme.
Quote from: Senduko on September 24, 2014, 11:14:10 PM
Any ET out there is bound the have the same corruption, the same people trying to exploit.
That is second prize for assumption of the week.
First prize to the idea that aa advanced species at peace stagnates. Like humans have ever been at peace to put the idea to the test. ::)
Quote from: Pimander on September 24, 2014, 11:31:12 PM
Like humans have ever been at peace to put the idea to the test.
True, though to add a little pickle juice; a story goes that there was a
man and a woman living in peace and harmony with the earth where there
was no death, and food was readily abundant without toil.
Some say along came an alien and put a monkey wrench into it all.
;)
Quote from: Pimander on September 24, 2014, 10:28:47 PM
The military industrial complex are so fixated on squeezing every penny it can (including faking Moon landing footage) out of the US tax payer, I think it would be more likely that the Chines will do it first at a tenth the cost.
I really wish I didn't agree with you on this, as it's a bad place to find one's self right now as an American. However, I've come to feel hopeful for the other nations pursuing serious space programs. In the end, I really don't think of people as "American" or "Chinese" once they leave Earth orbit anyway. They all become Terran and that about settles all that nonsense in deep space, IMO.
After all, if we do encounter another species and especially if it's in open space? No one on their side will give a hoot about nations or districts or any of it. They'll simply want to know 'What planet did you come from and how long have you been out here?'. I honestly wonder if an alien species may just see our need to find division as our single greatest failing for advancing much further than we have.
Quote from: Pimander on September 24, 2014, 11:31:12 PM
That is second prize for assumption of the week.
First prize to the idea that aa advanced species at peace stagnates. Like humans have ever been at peace to put the idea to the test. ::)
I suggest that the idea that a peaceful society stagnates is useless eliter propaganda. A species as creative, inquisitive, and so focused on problem-solving as We are is not likely to stagnate. By convincing Us that We must war to advance, They get Our passive acceptance of Their money-making schemes. And in some, the idea that fighting is somehow honorable even as an aggressor.
They do not want creativity from Us; They want conformity. They do not want inquisitiveness; They want Us distracted. They do not want problems for Us solved; They create Our problems.
And They are the psychopathic useless eliters.
Just...sayin'.
Quote from: Pimander on September 24, 2014, 12:19:58 AM
I'm an evil Cheeseburger. What do I taste like? :o
Limburger Cheese
QuoteAfter all, if we do encounter another species and especially if it's in open space? No one on their side will give a hoot about nations or districts or any of it. They'll simply want to know 'What planet did you come from and how long have you been out here?'. I honestly wonder if an alien species may just see our need to find division as our single greatest failing for advancing much further than we have.
BINGO !No truer words spoken .... :)
But they will probably know, before they ask us. :)
Quote from: rdunk on September 24, 2014, 06:42:00 AM
Obviously, we cannot yet get to them, and where they live! If they can get to us from where they live, then they are very likely to be "advanced" beyond us IMO. :)
Well "advanced" is a relative term ::)
They do not need to be thousnads of years in advance of us In fact they could be 100 years behind us. The only difference is a SINGLE discovery seperating us A Space Drive
Now Ben Rich and others have already told us we have them but they are locked up in black ops. The whole premise of our research here is saying we have them
We already have all the concepts in our Sci Fi films
So they would not need to be very advance at all
Maybe they just read Matrix's thread and said "Hey!!! That's the ticket!"
::)
Quote from: Pimander on September 24, 2014, 11:31:12 PM
Like humans have ever been at peace to put the idea to the test. ::)
They have many times in History.
Each time the Collapse and Fall is soon behind. Apathy sets in... No reason to strive for more. Look at the Roman colloseums... the orgies... the more free time a society has the mor depraved they become...
Today it is our turn. We are on the cusp of the Collapse of the American Empire. Europe will soon fall to the Muslim hoards
Good thing I am at the end of this current cycle... its gonna get ugly
Quote from: Amaterasu on September 25, 2014, 12:39:09 AM
They do not want creativity from Us; They want conformity. They do not want inquisitiveness; They want Us distracted. They do not want problems for Us solved; They create Our problems.
During the Communist regime in Russia the average person had no need of anything. They had free housing, free medical, free food and free Vodka.
Several interviews are to be found on the net with Russian workers, They say they did not bother to work harder or strive to make something better... because there was no incentive to do so. If you worked harder you could not advance under that system, so why bother? Do your job, get your Vodka be happy. If you strived to achieve greatness you were likely a free thinker and most likely a trouble maker
So what happened to the communist system? It collapsed because there was no incentive to improve ones situation
Even in China they have adopted "Communist Capitalism" (my term) The deal here is that the people are allowed to go make all the money they want SO LONG AS they stay out of politics
Its working because most Chinese don't give a hoot about politics anyway
Result is Chinese will likely soon be on top of the world powers and they haven't attacked anyone recently
::)
QuoteAnd They are the psychopathic useless eliters.
That line is getting old
Just sayin
::)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QDnFsNTkRM
When and if the E.T.'s show up I would ask them ( politely ) if they would take off their disguises and show us their true form or nature. The idea of this big universe filled with diverse forms of life and civilizations is getting a bit old.
I would ask them to tell us what is really "out there " .
Are all the galaxies, stars and other astronomical bodies that we observe nothing more than stage props?
Is pure CONSCIOUSNESS the only true definition of life?
QuoteIs pure CONSCIOUSNESS the only true definition of life?
YES :)
Quote from: zorgon on September 25, 2014, 05:18:36 AM
They have many times in History.
I think you will find that the Romans were perpetually at war or on a conquest.
QuoteEach time the Collapse and Fall is soon behind. Apathy sets in... No reason to strive for more. Look at the Roman colloseums... the orgies... the more free time a society has the mor depraved they become...
USA are always at war and they they have more brothels and football stadia than the Romans could dream of. HAve you seen the volume of porn coming out of LA? {You know the internet is not just for that Z :P} And anyway, the USA is a Roman creation. Think about it mate. ;)
Can you honestly say that there is no continuation of the Roman principle that war is good for the empire in US foreign policy?
QuoteGood thing I am at the end of this current cycle... its gonna get ugly
I hope not but would not be surprised if you were right about that.
Quote from: zorgon on September 25, 2014, 05:43:57 AM
Several interviews are to be found on the net with Russian workers, They say they did not bother to work harder or strive to make something better... because there was no incentive to do so. If you worked harder you could not advance under that system, so why bother?
The thing is that it is still possible to distribute wealth fairer and give everyone a job but still have progression. If you take the best of both systems then you are talking a sensible government. Small free enterprise and the state making sure everyone does not go without. I know they managed it in Sweden for a long time. Massive global corporations are the hurdle along with the insane banking system.
Quote from: zorgon on September 25, 2014, 02:50:03 AM
Limburger Cheese
Hey, don't knock Limburger. It's great on buttered toast with a whisk(e)y highball.
The China/ or more importantly Thee ASIAN Scenario is interesting as presented in this thread.
I've contemplated this scenario a lot from the view of what is commonly called the "PTB"....
Can you imagine what mayhem would happen if Common people who are just as good as you could not afford to have rice ?
Christian's call it 'sharing the plate around', but has anyone thought that just maybe all this mayhem is one step forward towards less insanity where everyone who incarnates on earth is just that... An Earthling ?
One of those things that to an earthling seem's like eternity, but in factual matter it need's to happen to unite a retarded planet :P
Honestly, in the case of ASIA, having people not contribute to any goal and living in slums is Genocide no matter which way you look at it. SO from a PTB perspective this world is becoming immobilized :D
More idea's, more contribution. As long as you have the ability to make a buck.. then not much is to complain about ;)
Quote from: zorgon on September 25, 2014, 05:43:57 AM
During the Communist regime in Russia the average person had no need of anything. They had free housing, free medical, free food and free Vodka.
Several interviews are to be found on the net with Russian workers, They say they did not bother to work harder or strive to make something better... because there was no incentive to do so. If you worked harder you could not advance under that system, so why bother? Do your job, get your Vodka be happy. If you strived to achieve greatness you were likely a free thinker and most likely a trouble maker
Well yeah. Guaranteed the work was not something the workers loved to do. They were not free to choose what They wanted to do - They had to find some way to plug Their energy into a system that needed People doing things They didn't choose. Most of the work They were doing could easily be roboticized today, freeing the People to do what They love to do.
QuoteSo what happened to the communist system? It collapsed because there was no incentive to improve ones situation
Yeah. I would expect so in a system that most Humans were not free to do what They love to do. No effort made for Them to explore to find what They love, but to add unenjoyed energy to a boring or tedious or repetitious or labor-intensive ways They were obligated to add something to.
QuoteEven in China they have adopted "Communist Capitalism" (my term) The deal here is that the people are allowed to go make all the money they want SO LONG AS they stay out of politics
Yeah again, because the system is designed to get People to add energy in ways They do not enjoy and could be roboticized.
QuoteIts working because most Chinese don't give a hoot about politics anyway
Sad, that.
QuoteResult is Chinese will likely soon be on top of the world powers and they haven't attacked anyone recently
Sure, when the planet is set up for competition and not cooperation in solving problems.
QuoteThat line is getting old
The truth is getting old... Wow.
Quote from: VillageIdiot on September 25, 2014, 03:28:53 PM
Hey, don't knock Limburger. It's great on buttered toast with a whisk(e)y highball.
Yum. Evil sounds pretty tasty. 8)
Quote from: Pimander on September 25, 2014, 09:34:41 PM
Yum. Evil sounds pretty tasty. 8)
PM me if you ever decide to try it. I'll tell you how to wrap it to avoid stinking up your home.
"The truth is getting old"
Haha.
I'm laughing, but I should be crying..
Truth is, the truth is old.
We're all aware of it - even the kiddies, were probably born knowing it.
Yet on this perpetual path of self-destruction we ride.
Not like me to be defeatist - but heck, my body will turn to dust, as our civilisations turn to ash. Even if we were to explore the New Age never ending philosophy, it's an eternity of light and dark, purpose unknown.
I like nothing.
I like it when I sleep and there's.... Nothing.
Best thing about life is sleep.
Night.
Quote from: Sinny on September 26, 2014, 12:31:21 AM
"The truth is getting old"
Haha.
I'm laughing, but I should be crying..
Truth is, the truth is old.
We're all aware of it - even the kiddies, were probably born knowing it.
Yet on this perpetual path of self-destruction we ride.
Not like me to be defeatist - but heck, my body will turn to dust, as our civilisations turn to ash. Even if we were to explore the New Age never ending philosophy, it's an eternity of light and dark, purpose unknown.
I like nothing.
I like it when I sleep and there's.... Nothing.
Best thing about life is sleep.
Night.
So sorry to hear You prefer sleep to the challenge We have before Us. Personally, I wake up each day and look forward to seeing what will happen next. To the challenge of trying to make it better. Sure, sometimes I weary, but soon, I am ready for another go. And another, and on. I want to win this game. [smile]
I hope You come to feel better about this life You have, because I'm liking what I see You. [smile]
Quote from: Sinny on September 26, 2014, 12:31:21 AM
I like nothing.
I like it when I sleep and there's.... Nothing.
Best thing about life is sleep.
Night.
Sounds like you need a mindless hobby. May I recommend: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyoUcofBo9I
NASA CONFIRMS ALIEN INVASION!
By Frank Lake
HOUSTON – NASA confirmed today that aliens are invading earth – and they are attacking us because of global warming!
WWN has been the ONLY media source reporting on the ongoing alien invasion. WWN's own Frank Lake has been the top investigative reporter in the world on this issue. Governments around the globe have been covering up the invasion in order to avoid worldwide panic. But WWN feels we must report the truth, and if we take peaceful actions now – we can avoid a war with aliens.
As reported here many times, the U.N. Panel on Extraterrestrials has confirmed that aliens from Planet Zeeba began invading our planet – in large numbers – in October, 2011. The U.N. Panel, led by Dr. John Malley, predicts that the invasion will last until December 2015 – at which time earth will be under full control of the aliens from Zeeba. If we act now, we can co-exist peacefully with the aliens.
In a stunning announcement today, NASA confirmed Frank Lake's reportage. "Aliens have been invading our planet in ever-increasing numbers," warns a report from NASA.
The reason?
NASA says that rising greenhouse emissions may have tipped off aliens that we are a rapidly expanding threat. "Watching from afar, extraterrestrials have viewed changes in Earth's atmosphere as symptomatic of a civilization out of control – and are taking drastic action to keep us from becoming a more serious threat," NASA researchers explain.
Scientists at Pennsylvania State University predict that humans and aliens from Zeeba will make direct contact with each other by the end of 2012.
Jessica Wygal-Markum of NASA's Planetary Science Division and her colleagues compiled a list of plausible outcomes that could unfold in the aftermath of a close encounter, to help humanity "prepare for actual contact".
In the report, "When Humans Meet Zeebans," the researchers divide alien contacts into three broad categories: beneficial, neutral or harmful.
Beneficial encounters were productive and peaceful meetings held with extraterrestrial intelligence (ETI). These meetings will help us advance our knowledge and solve global problems such as hunger, poverty and disease.
One of the scientists, Joyti Aggarwalla, thought another beneficial outcome would be humanity triumph over a more powerful alien aggressor, or even being saved by a second group of ETs – possibly from Mars. "In these scenarios, humanity benefits not only from the major moral victory of having defeated a daunting rival, but also from the opportunity to reverse-engineer ETI technology," the authors write.
Other kinds of close encounters may be less rewarding and leave much of human society feeling indifferent towards aliens. The Zeebans may be too different from us for meaningful communication to take place. They might invite humanity to join the "Galactic Club" only for us to find the entry requirements to be too bureaucratic and tedious for humans to bother with or the club mascot may have a foul odor or terrify small children.
The most unappealing outcomes would arise if the aliens from Planet Zeeba caused harm to humanity. While aliens may arrive to eat, enslave or attack us, the report adds that people might also suffer from being physically crushed or by contracting diseases carried by the visitors. In especially unfortunate incidents, humanity could be wiped out when a more advanced civilisation accidentally unleashes an unfriendly artificial intelligence, or performs a catastrophic physics experiment that renders a portion of the galaxy uninhabitable.
To bolster humanity's chances of survival, the researchers call for caution in sending signals into space and to send Alien Search Teams across the planet – to peacefully attempt to connect with the aliens.
The authors of the NASA report warn that extraterrestrials may be wary of civilisations that expand very rapidly, as these may be prone to destroy other life as they grow, just as humans have pushed species to extinction on Earth. In the most extreme scenario, aliens might choose to destroy humanity to protect other civilizations.
Let's hope that humanity makes the right choice and makes peaceful overtures to the aliens amongst us. If not... well, our days are numbered.
http://weeklyworldnews.com/aliens/37178/nasa-confirms-alien-invasion/
fine print - August 8, 2012
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Hi Sky,
Not read in full detail as yet.. But
If your last post about NASA admitting that we are being invaded by Aliens was true, Id expect it to have hit the World News by Now...Not sure I believe NASA would admit such things, so Im suspecting that article is a hoax.. seeing your smily is this to suggest at last they admitt it or to suggest yet another misleading article ! ;)
IF not that should be on a New thread on its own and be classed as maybe put in a section for PRCs top Main important posts !....
astro, that is from weekly world news, a total farce tabloid... ::)
oh astro..didn't you see the face winking at you on the bottom? :P
I thought it was a good giveaway if you didn't recognize the link
wasn't trying to mislead anyone .. I just think the whole conversation is funny
like what we think makes any difference to what they think or do..
Yes Sky I noted your smiley, (see below) but prior to seeing it at the end of the article you had me wondering for a few minutes :)
Then I noted that it was wrote back in Aug 2012...
and was disappointed in one way but maybe not in another...as Id like to see them Admitt such a thing, but not suggest that we may only have a short time to live !...
Then I thought, maybe this could become a globalist plan to get us to start paying more Environment Taxes...saying ETs are warning us to get the Earth to reduce emissions as they want to visit or are telling us Earth & Life on it will soon be doomed....
They may fake a Alien landing with them telling us about it or something along those lines..
Yes Seeker, such publications may offer what some may partially believe should be wrote or real...
I suppose it makes interesting reading at times even if its just to mislead us....It makes one think what some may believe could happen...
Quotesuspecting that article is a hoax.. seeing your smily is this to suggest at last they admitt it or to suggest yet another misleading article ! ;)
What if the aliens are complete hedonists. They may just want to try our drugs and experiment sexually with us. Earth might just be on the equivalent of the Galactic hippy trail.
orrrrr
perhaps earth is consider punishment for bad aliens..
they have to be around us..
:P
Quote from: Pimander on September 26, 2014, 04:37:29 PM
What if the aliens are complete hedonists. They may just want to try our drugs and experiment sexually with us. Earth might just be on the equivalent of the Galactic hippy trail.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PU3mGrjjQg
Even space slugs agree
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And no shortage of willing 'victims'
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Quote from: Pimander on September 26, 2014, 04:37:29 PM
What if the aliens are complete hedonists. They may just want to try our drugs and experiment sexually with us. Earth might just be on the equivalent of the Galactic hippy trail.
Maybe they are planting marijuana all over the galaxy. :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZ30F0a72FQ
Cannabis - anabis - Anubis :o
[smile] It was designed for Humans, perhaps? The geneticists from that star were masterful, and Ninhursag/other Nin titles was involved... I say absolutely She gave Us this blessed plant.
Perhaps "weed" was introduced to the human race to keep us dumbed down, content and healthy so the E.T.'s could control us better...LOL
Maybe this would explain things better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHHg36yXL7Y
The clip also gives some other clues as to when this plant was introduced and how the E.T.'s may have arrived on our planet or dimension.
Can you spot the clues? 8)
Quote from: onetruekeeper on September 28, 2014, 11:30:51 PM
Perhaps "weed" was introduced to the human race to keep us dumbed down, content and healthy so the E.T.'s could control us better...LOL
Well that is what it is used for today regardless. ;)
Here we go ....
Drugs brought onto the Earth by Aliens ! :o
From 'The Books of
E'NOCH' the
7th from
A'DAM.
QuoteChapter 6.
.......... ........ .....
the children of the heavens, saw and lusted after them,
and said to one another: "Come, let us chose us wives
from among the children of men and beget us children."
03.
And Semjaza, who was their leader, said unto them:
"I fear ye will not indeed agree to do this deed,
and I alone shall have to pay the penalty of a great sin."
04.
And they all answered him and said:
"Let us all swear an oath, and all bind ourselves
by mutual imprecations not to abandon this plan
but to do this thing."
05.
Then sware they all together and bound themselves together
by mutual imprecations upon it.
06.
And they were in all two hundred; who descended in the days of Jared
on the summit of Mount Hermon, and they called it Mount Hermon,
because they had sworn and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it.
07.
And these are the names of their leaders:
Semiazaz, their leader, Arakiba, Rameel, Kokabiel, Tamiel, Ramiel, Danel,
Ezeqeel, Baraqijal, Asael, Armaros, Batarel, Ananel, Zaqiel, Samsapeel,
Satarel, Turel, Jomael, Sariel.
08.
These are their chiefs of tens.
Chapter 7.
01.
And all the others together with them took unto themselves wives,
and each chose for himself one,
and they began to go in unto them and defile themselves with them,
and they taught them charms and enchantment's, and the cutting of roots,
and made them acquainted with plants.
02.
And they became pregnant, and they bare great giants, whose height was Three Thousand Ells:
:o :)
geeezee.. we can't blame everything on the aliens..
.stupidity is it's own reward..and most humans qualify
got an old 60's piece of graffiti to share with ya.. maybe someone will get it
and see how it applies to blaming the aliens for everything
it goes like this
my mother made me a homosexual!
if I give her the material will she make me one too?
LOL...
Thankfully the Alien Nasty's, mentioned in 'The Books of E'NOCH" are a minority ! :)
When I get a moment I will take a look at some other ancient writings from other Countries. :)
Quote from: onetruekeeper on September 28, 2014, 11:30:51 PM
Perhaps "weed" was introduced to the human race to keep us dumbed down
I suppose the opposite.
Quote from: Sinny on September 29, 2014, 11:59:46 AM
I suppose the opposite.
Like anything it can be a double edged sword. Lots of art and music only exists because of the creativity it can inspire. It also leads to a lot of people being far less active than they could be. I think that is why there is so much disagreement about it.
The "turning a blind eye" by the government is a typical "opium for the masses" thing but on the other hand lots of radical thinking and activity is associated with it. It is almost never black and white.
My suggestion to anyone is that if you have a busy day then don't smoke much but no doubt plenty of people think it "takes the edge off". It is the paranoia that bothers me...
Quote from: Pimander on September 29, 2014, 12:14:23 PM
Like anything it can be a double edged sword. Lots of art and music only exists because of the creativity it can inspire. It also leads to a lot of people being far less active than they could be. I think that is why there is so much disagreement about it.
The "turning a blind eye" by the government is a typical "opium for the masses" thing but on the other hand lots of radical thinking and activity is associated with it. It is almost never black and white.
My suggestion to anyone is that if you have a busy day then don't smoke much but no doubt plenty of people think it "takes the edge off". It is the paranoia that bothers me...
Yea, I get the paranoia side effects about once in every two months - adds a little excitement to life haha.
, , , and just maybe it is the plant mentioned in the Bible that is to heal the nations. :)
It sure healed my arthritis. ;D
Quote from: Pimander on September 29, 2014, 12:14:23 PM
Like anything it can be a double edged sword. Lots of art and music only exists because of the creativity it can inspire. It also leads to a lot of people being far less active than they could be. I think that is why there is so much disagreement about it.
I think you hit it on the head, right there. To all things must come moderation...and the total and absolute lack of it seen by so many pushing for the cause isn't cute but disturbing on a profound level. The suggesting that it's a miracle to solve everything (without noting little downsides like a drought inducing burden placed on water needs already stretched to breaking in some states) is more than disturbing. It's got some of us turning from a life of supporting the outcome we're starting to see...to wondering if we haven't made a terrible mistake to have supported it at all.
Everything can be taken entirely too far...and some things crossed that line in the rear view mirror. Even if the core issue is a just and noble one.
I agree with you Norval. There is another side to the legalise it movement that is often not considered. A lot of the cash for activism comes from he black market trade in Marijuana. Legalise it and the big tobacco giants take over and it will be taxed to hell. Then all the activists will have to find a way to fund their activities like going to work (and having no time to be radical)
;)
Sorry Pimander...hit the wrong button and meant to quote you. :P
QuoteI agree with you Norval. There is another side to the legalise it movement that is often not considered. A lot of the cash for activism comes from he black market trade in Marijuana. Legalise it and the big tobacco giants take over and it will be taxed to hell. Then all the activists will have to find a way to fund their activities like going to work (and having no time to be radical)
Undoubtedly the industrialization of this will bring about GMO strains that will be a new can of worms opened.
Quote from: Pimander on September 29, 2014, 12:14:23 PM
Like anything it can be a double edged sword. Lots of art and music only exists because of the creativity it can inspire. It also leads to a lot of people being far less active than they could be. I think that is why there is so much disagreement about it.
The "turning a blind eye" by the government is a typical "opium for the masses" thing but on the other hand lots of radical thinking and activity is associated with it. It is almost never black and white.
I think it could be better to NOT start using weed or other drugs for inspiration purposes. I believe in most cases of artists using drugs, it was to quiet the mind, to turn off the torrent of ideas and inspiration so the artist can get some rest and not burn out.
Quote from: Pimander on September 29, 2014, 12:14:23 PM
Like anything it can be a double edged sword. Lots of art and music only exists because of the creativity it can inspire. It also leads to a lot of people being far less active than they could be. I think that is why there is so much disagreement about it.
It inspires deep thinking, I have found. Virtually all My insights of any major measure have come while medicated. I think that it is propaganda that it leads People into inactivity. It leads Them away from wanting to pump Their energy into the system in ways that are boring or miserable, perhaps, and encourages creativity - just the opposite of what the propaganda makers want to see.
QuoteThe "turning a blind eye" by the government is a typical "opium for the masses" thing but on the other hand lots of radical thinking and activity is associated with it. It is almost never black and white.
But They DON'T "turn a blind eye." Raids happen frequently.
QuoteMy suggestion to anyone is that if you have a busy day then don't smoke much but no doubt plenty of people think it "takes the edge off". It is the paranoia that bothers me...
Given it's illegality, paranoia is common in novice users, and even experienced users will experience it now and again. But I am here to tell You, when You detach Yourself from the state, claim no contract there, feel You can fight off any harassment, paranoia vanishes. I haven't been paranoid on it for decades.
Quote from: onetruekeeper on September 30, 2014, 02:40:04 AM
I think it could be better to NOT start using weed or other drugs for inspiration purposes. I believe in most cases of artists using drugs, it was to quiet the mind, to turn off the torrent of ideas and inspiration so the artist can get some rest and not burn out.
Au contraire, it opens new perspectives. It enhances the joy of creation. I will not advocate, but leave it to Individual choice. I just don't want misconceptions and propaganda to stand unchallenged.
Quote from: Amaterasu on September 30, 2014, 05:18:42 AM
Au contraire, it opens new perspectives. It enhances the joy of creation. I will not advocate, but leave it to Individual choice. I just don't want misconceptions and propaganda to stand unchallenged.
My claims about the effects of Cannabis are not mis-perceptions. They are the experience of millions of (but not necessarily all) Cannabis users. They are also not propaganda they are just my opinion.
As for regular raids, in the UK it seems to be policy to raid mainly large producers but not small. In some European countries it is de-criminalised. There is life outside the USA don't forget. In fact only 4.4% of the population live there. It is time you guys recognise that. :P
Population of USA / Population of Earth x 100=
313900000 / 7125000000 x 100 = 4.4%
Question: Are novice users included in those data? Or do You have a separate category for experienced users? Because I will tell You for sure, what a novice experiences and what a frequent user experiences are two different animals. Novices tend far more to the paranoia and inability to gauge things fully. The Ones with experience generally do not have the issues of the novice user.
"Do not drive until You know how this substance affects You..."
, , , gold for Amaterasu .
Sorry, I missed that reply.
Firstly I didn't give any figures, I used the term millions figuratively to illustrate that many of the multitude have a different experience of smoking the weed to you.
Quote from: Amaterasu on September 30, 2014, 05:13:41 PM
Because I will tell You for sure, what a novice experiences and what a frequent user experiences are two different animals. Novices tend far more to the paranoia and inability to gauge things fully. The Ones with experience generally do not have the issues of the novice user.
And I will tell you for sure that myself and a number of other users or former users all DID NOT get the paranoia when we first smoked it. The paranoia got worse over time and many have stopped smoking it completely as a result.
The medical evidence suggests that in particular smoking in adolescence leads to problems later in life. (And no I'm not going to repeat what I posted elsewhere as you hardly ever seem to accept anything a scientist says unless the evidence agrees with your viewpoint even when you are debating with a flaming pharmacologist/molecular biologist ::) ). Basically you are biased because you smoke and claim to suffer no ill effects. Well many smokers do. If you don't believe that then all I can say is I'm not lying just because my degree was partly funded by big pharma. :P
Quote from: Pimander on October 06, 2014, 03:55:04 PM
The medical evidence suggests that in particular smoking in adolescence leads to problems later in life.
It will never cease to amaze me, how many people deny that simple fact.
It was all of my second semester in college and a study strategy class that I first saw and began to understand biologic brain function (neurons and dendrites). One of the first things they cover, and knowing not everyone in the room is old enough to look 'back' on this milestone yet, is the age at which the brain stops physical development.
It varies per person, of course, and I imagine I'm telling you nothing you don't already know quite well, but for general reference? I've been taught simple biology and simple human physiology for brain development runs into the early 20's. 20-22 is the age I have written in my course notes from the first run through.
It seems to me, while the brain is still in basic stages of development and finishing it's cycle? Anything that significantly impacts it's function will, by nature, impact it's development as well. Logical, eh?
Of course, I've had tobacco users argue till they were too frustrated to argue any more, that cigarettes not only have NO negative health effects, but actually carry benefits. I sure never said that...but I've found myself opposing such arguments more than once. The world must look at our level of 'common knowledge' and wonder if it should weep or laugh.
Life is short gentlemen, do whatever pleases you the most....cheers!
Quote from: Wrabbit2000 on October 06, 2014, 04:42:21 PM
The world must look at our level of 'common knowledge' and wonder if it should weep or laugh.
We should weep but I prefer to laugh. ;D
Quote from: onetruekeeper on October 06, 2014, 04:54:05 PM
Life is short gentlemen, do whatever pleases you the most....cheers!
Of course.
It pleases me to try to stay healthy, but I'll never argue against doing something just because we enjoy it. There are loads of examples of things that both benefit and harm.
Care to join me for a Scotch anyone?
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A Glass of Scotch Helps Creative Problem Solving
The study says any alcohol, but we say Scotch.
(http://dailyxy.com/article/glass-scotch-helps-creative-problem-solving/)
Quote from: onetruekeeper on October 06, 2014, 04:54:05 PM
Life is short gentlemen, do whatever pleases you the most....cheers!
Even if that includes making that life shorter. :)
Quote from: Pimander on October 06, 2014, 03:55:04 PM
Firstly I didn't give any figures, I used the term millions figuratively to illustrate that many of the multitude have a different experience of smoking the weed to you.
And I will tell you for sure that myself and a number of other users or former users all DID NOT get the paranoia when we first smoked it. The paranoia got worse over time and many have stopped smoking it completely as a result.
And I am sure the "illegality" had nothing to do with the paranoia... ::) To be sure, when I first used it, I DID have paranoia - specifically because of the "illegality." I never said that no One that is an experienced user ever has paranoia, just that AS A RULE that is experienced by the novice user much more than in those who have used regularly for a month or more.
QuoteThe medical evidence suggests that in particular smoking in adolescence leads to problems later in life. (And no I'm not going to repeat what I posted elsewhere as you hardly ever seem to accept anything a scientist says unless the evidence agrees with your viewpoint even when you are debating with a flaming pharmacologist/molecular biologist ::) ). Basically you are biased because you smoke and claim to suffer no ill effects. Well many smokers do. If you don't believe that then all I can say is I'm not lying just because my degree was partly funded by big pharma. :P
Thanks for assuming I have no clue. I have researched this matter for DECADES. And if You read what I said... You will discover that I did NOT say that NO ONE has issues. 90%ish tolerate it well, with paranoia being vastly less of a problem in areas where it is legal. 10%ish have various problems.
And I would like to point out the neurogenetic nature of the plant, as well as its efficacy against such conditions as Alzheimer's, Muscular Dystrophy, and more. Given all the nano-aluminum being sprayed on Us, I am very grateful for cannabis and its benefits.
Quote from: Pimander on October 06, 2014, 05:05:45 PM
Care to join me for a Scotch anyone?
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A Glass of Scotch Helps Creative Problem Solving
The study says any alcohol, but we say Scotch.
(http://dailyxy.com/article/glass-scotch-helps-creative-problem-solving/)
Aye, lad, I'll share a touch with ye 8)
a lil' hair of the dog to ease me aching bones and weary mind...
:P
Quote from: Amaterasu on October 06, 2014, 11:40:02 PM
And I am sure the "illegality" had nothing to do with the paranoia... ::)
But it was a category C drug in the UK for ages. That meant you could not even be arrested for posession. It is also decriminalised in Portugal and Netherlands but people still get paranoid.
QuoteThanks for assuming I have no clue. I have researched this matter for DECADES.
Sorry Amy, I know you have studied it a lot. I was trying to say I sense your interpretation of what you have read is biased by your own experiences. I'll admit mine is too but that is why I referred to the research and experience of others.
QuoteI am very grateful for cannabis and its benefits.
And rightly so but I wish you would admit that it also causes harm.
I love whisky but I know it is bad for my liver. I guess some whisky drinkers get violent as do many alcoholics although that is not my experience of my lovely vice. :)
Giant hug x
@Seeker: Funnily enough mate, I have problems with my ankles from playing soccer in my youth and the aching magically eases after a glass or three. :)
ETA: This is so off topic. Sorry guys. Does any of the staff think I should have split the thread?
Along with the whiskey here is some interesting reading about various alien races that are here already:
http://www.docdroid.net/9wcc/alien-race-book-arb.pdf.html
Quote from: Pimander on October 07, 2014, 01:17:02 PM
And rightly so but I wish you would admit that it also causes harm.
I love whisky but I know it is bad for my liver. I guess some whisky drinkers get violent as do many alcoholics although that is not my experience of my lovely vice. :)
Giant hug x
Hon, any harm to an adult is minimal. Salt causes more harm at even slightly more than needed in many People. Yes, some People cannot tolerate cannabis, but that is not "harm." And the BENEFITS are very wide-ranging, including neurogenesis and protection against many toxic elements. It doesn't even cause lung damage when smoked! ( http://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20120103/marijuana-smoking-not-linked_to-chronic-breathing-problems ) It aids in a huge scope of issues - I could list them, but unless someOne needs that list, having not encountered it before, I will not do so here. And surely any harm One can point to is statistically insignificant when compared to Your whiskey.
So I ponder the focus on this "harm..."
But I give Ya a big hug right back!