I was mulling over some material the other day and trying to wrestle with the question above. Who really runs the world? I'd love to hear what ideas the members have.
What triggered me thinking about this was a book I read a few years ago, about secret societies. I was scanning it again to look something up and finished up reading the final chapter entitled "The Present Day". The authors ponder whether and who are the secret group in charge today.
I know I have found this a tough question to answer. Who are the "they" who are often accused of all kinds of things to stay in charge? Who are TPTB, The Cabal, The Invisible Hand or whatever else they are called.
A few candidates could include:-
Rome: The Catholic Church is a continuation of The Roman Empire effectively. How much power do they wield through their many branches including the Society of Jesus (Jesuits)?
The Rothschilds: Allegedly the Rothschilds and their allies control international finance via the World Bank and other bodies. Is this true?
The Military Industrial Complex? The British Establishment including the Royal Family and Secret Service?
There are obviously other possibilities. I just wondered whether any of you might have nailed this.
Nobody, although many are trying to. :)
There is a very simple rule of thumb, here.
If you know their name, they don't have real power.
I have comments but I'll give folks time to have their say. The only thing I'll note so far is no commitment so far to name any names of groups or people. :)
Quote from: ArMaP on October 25, 2014, 03:57:52 PM
Nobody, although many are trying to. :)
I have to go with you. Many try, and most carve out a large piece of being 'TPTB' in a region, nation or set of nations....but the ultimate powers around our world aren't on the same sheet of music to dance and they each have the power and wealth backing them to clash like titans if it ever comes down to a 'there can be only one' type deal.
History hasn't shown that clash happening in any way to recognize, so I figure we still have the factions vying for power far above the levels we normally think to look at.
The Ultra-terrestrials who are the hidden hand guiding the factions previously mentioned by pimander...
As a side note, I believe the Bible did state that at this time, the globe would be in the clutches of Satan...
Quote from: Sinny on October 25, 2014, 05:34:02 PM
The Ultra-terrestrials who are the hidden hand guiding the factions previously mentioned by pimander...
As a side note, I believe the Bible did state that at this time, the globe would be in the clutches of Satan...
It IS in the "clutches of Satan", or something akin to it. I would love to elaborate but, having been banned elsewhere for my candid opinions, I decline to provide examples. I don't know exactly how far I can go here and still remain a member.
I like this place. :)
Quote from: VillageIdiot on October 25, 2014, 06:28:22 PM
I don't know exactly how far I can go here and still remain a member.
As long as it follows the Posting Rules/Terms of Service (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=87.0), I think you can post any thing. :)
Quote from: Sinny on October 25, 2014, 05:34:02 PM
The Ultra-terrestrials who are the hidden hand guiding the factions previously mentioned by pimander...
As a side note, I believe the Bible did state that at this time, the globe would be in the clutches of Satan...
I'm not sure what you mean? The time leading up to the 1,000yr reign of peace or the 7 years before the 2nd coming? I think (Oh, I hope) we still have a couple sign posts to pass on the road to the start of tribulation.
The world out there isn't pious or noble though, that's for sure. If we're looking at 'who runs things' on that much higher level? I suppose the reality we see answers that then, and you're right. It isn't a Godly reality we see, no doubt. :(
Quote from: ArMaP on October 25, 2014, 06:43:45 PM
As long as it follows the Posting Rules/Terms of Service (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=87.0), I think you can post any thing. :)
Well, one of my examples is offensive to a special interest group, so I'll just keep it to myself.
Thanks, ArMaP. :)
If someone should take offence at something you say
it is their problem, not yours. As for who runs this
world,check out the bible..One instance..job 1:6 ..
" now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them..job 1:7 "And the Lord said
unto Satan, whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord and said, from going to and fro in the earth and walking up and down in it"..This means
to me that Satan was representing the earth at the
meeting in heaven .Satan has control over the earth then as well as now, as far as God will let him.
Rubicon
Quote from: Pimander on October 25, 2014, 03:22:08 PM
Rome: The Catholic Church is a continuation of The Roman Empire effectively. How much power do they wield through their many branches including the Society of Jesus (Jesuits)?
While their reach is far, it is not as powerful as it once was. They have no power in China nor the Islamic world that we are in constant 'war' with
QuoteThe Rothschilds: Allegedly the Rothschilds and their allies control international finance via the World Bank and other bodies. Is this true?
If you look at Forbes list of the richest men in the world (very few women on that list BTW) do you see any Rothschild in the list? I would say they no longer control as much money as people think
#1 Bill Gates $80.9 B $1 K 58 Microsoft United States
#2 Carlos Slim Helu & family $78.7 B $861.3 M | -1.1% 74 telecom Mexico
#3 Warren Buffett $68.4 B $6 K 84 Berkshire Hathaway United States
#4 Amancio Ortega $58.1 B $0 78 retail Spain
#5 Larry Ellison $48.8 B $3.7 M 70 Oracle United States
#6 Charles Koch $41.9 B $0 78 diversified United States
#6 David Koch $41.9 B $0 74 diversified United States
#8 Christy Walton & family $37.9 B $1 K 59 Wal-Mart United States
#9 Jim Walton $36.6 B $0 66 Wal-Mart United States
#10 Mark Zuckerberg $35.5 B $0 30 Facebook United States
#11 Alice Walton $35.1 B $0 65 Wal-Mart United States
#12 S. Robson Walton $35.1 B $0 70 Wal-Mart United States
#13 Michael Bloomberg $34.5 B $0 72 Bloomberg LP United States
#14 Liliane Bettencourt & family $34 B $0 92 L'Oreal France
#15 Sheldon Adelson $32.1 B $0 81 casinos United States
#16 Li Ka-shing $31.3 B $86.8 M | 0.3% 86 diversified Hong Kong
#17 Stefan Persson $30.4 B $93.6 M | -0.3% 67 H&M Sweden
#18 Bernard Arnault & family $30.3 B $1 K 65 LVMH France
#19 Larry Page $29.9 B $0 41 Google United States
#20 Sergey Brin $29.5 B $1 K 41 Google United States
#21 Jeff Bezos $26.9 B $0 50 Amazon.com United States
QuoteThe Military Industrial Complex? The British Establishment including the Royal Family and Secret Service?
The US and the space program is run by the NAVY most likely in Britain too. I do have names for that and the proof. 8)
So I am going with ArMaP there is no one group that runs the planet. If there was such an all powerful cabal we would not be talking freely about them
Quote from: 08rubicon on October 25, 2014, 08:06:02 PM
If someone should take offence at something you say
it is their problem, not yours. As for who runs this world,check out the bible..One instance..job 1:6 .. "now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them..job 1:7 "And the Lord said unto Satan, whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord and said, from going to and fro in the earth and walking up and down in it"..This means to me that Satan was representing the earth at the
meeting in heaven .Satan has control over the earth then as well as now, as far as God will let him.
Rubicon
I can say that our current government certainly seems to bear out the notion that Satan rules. It walks to and fro and up and down on this Earth and all the while corrupts everything it touches.
We are referred to as the Great Satan for a reason. We are blazing a trail of aberrant behavior and legalizing it as we go. I will mention no specifics.
I want desperately to love my country, but it keeps slapping me in the face with immoral decisions and practices. I feel the need for a shower after reading about and watching some of the things that take place here and elsewhere.
VI, You can love your country and hate your Government, they aren't exclusive.
As a lass with a Northen Irish heritage, living England, I can vouch for that.
Z, I think your Forbes list tells a lot in all that it does NOT tell...
Quote from: 08rubicon on October 25, 2014, 08:06:02 PM
"And the Lord said unto Satan, whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord and said, from going to and fro in the earth and walking up and down in it"..This means to me that Satan was representing the earth at the
meeting in heaven .Satan has control over the earth then as well as now, as far as God will let him.
To me it means that Satan could walk the earth as he wanted, not that he was in control. It also means that God gave him limited power over Job, so Satan was not in control.
Quote from: zorgon on October 25, 2014, 08:10:18 PM
While their reach is far, it is not as powerful as it once was. They have no power in China nor the Islamic world that we are in constant 'war' with
If you look at Forbes list of the richest men in the world (very few women on that list BTW) do you see any Rothschild in the list? I would say they no longer control as much money as people think
#1 Bill Gates $80.9 B $1 K 58 Microsoft United States
#2 Carlos Slim Helu & family $78.7 B $861.3 M | -1.1% 74 telecom Mexico
#3a Vladimir Putin $70 Billion - Age 62 - Energy/Logistics - Russia
#3 Warren Buffett $68.4 B $6 K 84 Berkshire Hathaway United States
#4 Amancio Ortega $58.1 B $0 78 retail Spain
#5 Larry Ellison $48.8 B $3.7 M 70 Oracle United States
Don't forget 'ol 3a there. lol.... People tend to sell him short, but after building his holdings in Gazprom and others, therichest (http://www.therichest.com/top-lists/top-250-richest-people-in-the-world/) list isn't the only spot I've seen him ranked in the top 5 now. I'm not sure what the difference with Forbes is, but they fail to mention a few which appear consistently in the top 25 elsewhere.
Quote from: zorgon on October 25, 2014, 08:10:18 PM
If you look at Forbes list of the richest men in the world (very few women on that list BTW) do you see any Rothschild in the list? I would say they no longer control as much money as people think
You don't have to actually possess a thing to control it.
QuoteSo I am going with ArMaP there is no one group that runs the planet. If there was such an all powerful cabal we would not be talking freely about them
But thus far nobody has been named so if they exist none of us have mentioned them. :)
The biggest bogeymen mentioned so far (SInny apart) are the USA government and a being invented by humans called "Satan".
ETA: Ah, Putin, the first human mentioned.
Quote from: Pimander on October 25, 2014, 08:57:37 PM
You don't have to actually possess a thing to control it.
But thus far nobody has been named so if they exist none of us have mentioned them. :)
The biggest bogeymen mentioned so far (SInny apart) are the USA government and a being invented by humans called "Satan".
ETA: Ah, Putin, the first human mentioned.
Yeah, sorry. I got off-topic, in a way. I really do believe though that there is a supernatural aspect to this.
I'm crazy anyway, so whatever. :P
Quote from: VillageIdiot on October 25, 2014, 09:03:41 PM
I really do believe though that there is a supernatural aspect to this.
I agree... some call it the FORCE LOL
The SECRET (Law of Attraction) has been used for thousands of years by various wannabe PTB to sway the force to do their bidding
It works... it really does HOWEVER the more people in the world that learn the secret, the more control groups you find.
In Medieval times the RC had 90% of the control in the Western world. Today that control is dwindling fast No more bibles to swear on in court is one proof
Back then a few groups tried to use the Secret to take away that power. Those groups had to work in SECRET because if they were in the open they would literally be tortured and killed. Thus the birth of secret societies... those we defile today as the "Illuminati"
People forget that the term "Illuminati" means 'Enlightened One'
::)
But just like the movie Star Wars... you will always have those using the Dark Side of the force for their own benefit while the ones on the side of the Light work tirelessly to fix things
Neverending Story
(http://141.24.37.187:8080/prod/stybrd/sxtop.jpg)
IF things were really as bad as the gloom and doom crowd want you to believe, you would NOT be able to say what you want on the internet
The "Illuminati" in the form of the Roscicrucians/Free Masons created this country to be a New World free from tyrany and the bankers
It was WE THE PEOPLE that allowed Pres Woodrow Wilson to sell us back into slavery in 1914
The "Illuminati" are NOT your enemy
I agree with Zorgons notion that even amongst the 'altenative' thinkers, there are large misconceptions about the 'Illuminati'.
However, from a better educated point of view, I'd like to ask for some evidence or reference of the 'good work' completed by the (not Evil) Enlightened ones.
The world by all our 'shared' moral standards appears to be in a negative decline, who and what are the 'tue' enlightened one's doing to counter this?
Quote from: Sinny on October 25, 2014, 10:04:14 PM
I agree with Zorgons notion that even amongst the 'altenative' thinkers, there are large misconceptions about the 'Illuminati'.
However, from a better educated point of view, I'd like to ask for some evidence or reference of the 'good work' completed by the (not Evil) Enlightened ones.
The world by all our 'shared' moral standards appears to be in a negative decline, who and what are the 'tue' enlightened one's doing to counter this?
Perhaps the ones you refer to as being enlightened,
TRUST LIFE and do Nothing.
After all
LIFE is
The ALL !
So it is
NOT for those you refer to as 'enlightened', to attempt to change anything, as they
are by your words enlightened.
They need not attempt to tell
LIFE what is correct or otherwise,
but rather it is around the other wayas they learn from '
The ALL' i.e.
LIFE or '
SELF AWARENESS'.
(I am
NOT referring to the 'species' which is the 'Avatar' in the 'Story'.)
LIFE teaches the enlightened as you refer to them as, so I guess that is
WHY they are enlightened ... :)
Why on Earth, do so many think or
believe the 'human Primate' should be in Control of
LIFE,
or that they are
somehow superior to
LIFE ? :(
Only those not enlightened as you put it, expect to
Control LIFE as
IF they are above or superior to
LIFE ! :(
But such thinking as to
Control LIFE is in Vain....
Quote from: Sinny on October 25, 2014, 10:04:14 PM
However, from a better educated point of view, I'd like to ask for some evidence or reference of the 'good work' completed by the (not Evil) Enlightened ones.
The Knights of St JohnThere are TWO groups
Sovereign Military Order of Malta tied to the RC church(http://api.ning.com/files/TfiLkx5iGrHbCJps6Rx6Gj3x1SEYh1ns63WOscsP7qwgZ4B8qUkkOfpEIx*ODea-/KnightsofMaltaFlag.jpg)
and
The Knights Hospitaller Venerable Order of St John(http://www.pinetreeweb.com/cross-of-st-johns-order.gif)
Both are the Order of St John
However the second one provides FREE Ambulance and Paramedic/First Aid service around the world They have FREE hospitals (They are not allowed to operate in the US because 'free' is unfair competition)
Ancient Arabic Order of the Nobles of the Mystic Shrine(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/ef/Shriners.png/200px-Shriners.png)
or "Shriners"
Shriners International describes itself as a fraternity based on fun, fellowship and the Masonic principles of brotherly love, relief and truth. There are approximately 340,000 members from 195 temples (chapters) in the U.S., Canada, Brazil, Mexico, the Republic of Panama, the Philippines, Puerto Rico, Europe and Australia.
They are best known for their work with Children and Children's hospitals
Those are two of the Good... perhaps if people spent half the time looking for the good humanlty does instead of focusing on the bad you might find more
Just a thought :P
The Dark Side
The Millennium Group
(http://www.clipartbest.com/cliparts/aie/Bpq/aieBpqa9T.jpeg)
Fictional history
The Millennium Group first started life as an early Christian sect around the year 100 AD. By the late 10th century, the Group had adopted the ouroboros as its symbol, and the phrase "this is who we are" as a motto. However, around this time schisms within the group began to form as members fought for control of an artifact—the preserved hand of a saint said to be capable of ultimately defeating the devil. Despite these internal rivalries, the group persisted into the 20th century. The Group's modern organization stems from J. Edgar Hoover, the director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, who began the process of turning the Group's attention to criminal investigation in order to monitor individuals and societal trends.
As the 3rd millennium approached, the Group's internal differences began to manifest into two factions—the "Roosters", who believed in a religiously eschatological view of the end of the world, and the "Owls", who believed the world would end with a secular natural disaster. Attempting to instigate the end of the world artificially, the Rooster faction began to develop a lethal virus; in 1998 they released this virus in the Pacific Northwest, killing upwards of seventy people before the outbreak was contained. A year later, a vastly depleted Millennium Group staged one last attempt to trigger the apocalypse, resurrecting deceased members in order to create the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse; when this plot was foiled by the FBI, it was believed to have caused the dissolution of the Group.
The Reality
The inspiration for the Millennium Group was a real-life organization called the Academy Group, which consisted of retired law enforcement agents working as a private investigative firm. Millennium?'?s creator Chris Carter had come to know members of the Academy Group through contacts he had made with the Federal Bureau of Investigation while researching his earlier television series The X-Files
(Remember Hal Puthoff of the Aviary who is OWL and reminiscent of Mulder's Smoking Man)
A search at Wiki under Academy Group will get you "This page has been deleted. The deletion and move log for the page are provided below for reference."
Cover organization...
(http://tmgofficeservices.com/images/TMG_TheMillenniumGroupINC.jpg)
http://tmgofficeservices.com/
The Light
Masonic Charity Groups
The Order of DeMolay is an organization for young men aged 12 to 21. Young men do not need to have a Masonic relative to join the organization. DeMolay was founded in Kansas City, Missouri, in 1919, and is now international in scope. Like the other Masonic Youth Orders, DeMolay Chapters (local groups) usually meet in a room at a local Masonic Lodge. Adult leadership is provided by men (usually Masons) known as Chapter Dads or advisors. The Order takes its name from Jacques DeMolay, the last Grand Master of the Templars, who was martyred in the Middle Ages for refusing to compromise his honor. The Order teaches the virtues of reverence, love of parents, comradeship, patriotism, courtesy, cleanness, and fidelity. The Order provides many social events and activities, which help to teach social skills and leadership.
The International Order of Rainbow for Girls is an organization for young women aged 11 to 20. It was founded in McAlester, Oklahoma, in 1922. No relationship to a member of the Masonic Order is required for membership. Local groups or Assemblies are generally sponsored by either a Masonic Lodge or a Chapter of the Order of the Eastern Star. Women known as Mother Advisors give adult supervision and guidance. Each of the colors of the rainbow is associated with a particular virtue or source of inspiration. Like the other Youth Orders, Rainbow is deeply involved with local charity and support of education. It teaches character development, planning, leadership, and social skills through training programs and social events.
The International Order of Job's Daughters takes its name from a story in the Biblical Book of Job. It was organized in Omaha, Nebraska, in 1920. Membership requires the young woman be related to a Mason. The local organization is called a Bethel. The teachings of the Order are Biblically based, and similar virtues are stressed as in the other Masonic Youth Orders. Job's Daughters places special emphasis on community service. Many Bethels work with drug education programs and with the Hearing Impaired Kids Endowment (HIKE) Program. Membership is for young women age 10 to 20.
http://www.msana.com/youth.asp
The world is a sentient being who runs herself. She allows us to believe that we're somehow running the show.
Shasta
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZI_aEalijE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZI_aEalijE
Stonecutters:
Who controls the British crown?
Who keeps the metric system down?
We do, we do!
Who keeps Atlantis off the maps?
Who keeps the Martians under wraps?
We do, we do!
Who holds back the electric car?
Who makes Steve Guttenberg a star?
We do, we do!
Who robs cavefish of their sight?
Who rigs every Oscar night?
We do!
We do!!!
Quote from: Shasta56 on October 26, 2014, 03:00:29 AM
The world is a sentient being who runs herself. She allows us to believe that we're somehow running the show.
I agree Gaia is a being more powerful than humans. :)
I kind of meant human society/civilisation for this thread though.
Quote from: Sinny on October 25, 2014, 05:34:02 PM
The Ultra-terrestrials who are the hidden hand guiding the factions previously mentioned by pimander...
As a side note, I believe the Bible did state that at this time, the globe would be in the clutches of Satan...
Quote from: VillageIdiot on October 25, 2014, 06:28:22 PM
It IS in the "clutches of Satan", or something akin to it.
Lets say that the degenerate elements of Western secret societies, main religions both answer to what they think are superior entities. ANd lets say the owners of the military industrial complex are either Fundies or the same, and also the Big Bankers answer to the same? Then that would make Sinny correct.
OK, these entities might not be Satan. But the effect is "Satanic", even if Satan is a human creation. These beings may not be what any of us think (or may not even exist strictly speaking) but effectively they might be the masters of the most powerful organisations and people alive. It is worth thinking about.
Perhaps if these groups had embraced the real esoteric knowledge the world (I mean civilisation) might heal?
Quote from: Sinny on October 25, 2014, 10:04:14 PM
However, from a better educated point of view, I'd like to ask for some evidence or reference of the 'good work' completed by the (not Evil) Enlightened ones.
If the flame of knowledge has been kept burning in the face of persecution and near extinction than could there be a greater work or sacrifice?
Tens of thousands if not millions have been killed, burned at the steak and tortured for refusing to accept the lies of religious bigots and others. There are legends and talk of great cataclysms which almost wiped out humans but the flame was always kept burning.
Alternatively, you are just a clever ape and when you die that is it. It is all BS so make the most of it. Everything is just dead matter so killing to get what you want is OK. Exploit nature, hurt animals and war is not bad because we are all just dead matter.
Make up your own minds.
Quote from: Pimander on October 26, 2014, 10:55:59 AM
Lets say that the degenerate elements of Western secret societies, main religions both answer to what they think are superior entities. ANd lets say the owners of the military industrial complex are either Fundies or the same, and also the Big Bankers answer to the same? Then that would make Sinny correct.
OK, these entities might not be Satan. But the effect is "Satanic", even if Satan is a human creation. These beings may not be what any of us think (or may not even exist strictly speaking) but effectively they might be the masters of the most powerful organisations and people alive. It is worth thinking about.
Humanity's problem is not the cabal itself. Hitler wrote himself, that he would not have been able to get anywhere, if he hadn't been able to exploit certain pre-existing psychological vulnerabilities within human beings.
The cabal are salesmen. Think about it. Generally speaking, the most evil people who we
do know about, are billionaires. If we are sovereign, (and I believe we are) then ultimately the cabal can not force us to do literally anything. All they can do is put choices in front of us, which they can also make as appealing as possible to our psychology, and then hope that we will take the bait. Most of the time we do.
Every time you believe that you have a moral obligation to thank veterans for their service, you're taking the cabal's bait.
Every time you tell yourself that there
is such a thing as a "just war," you're taking the cabal's bait. They want war, and you're giving it to them.
Every time you direct reverence towards the police, because in your cowardice you believe that you need the police to, "keep you safe," you're taking the cabal's bait.
Every time you believe that vertical hierarchy or chains of command of any kind are a good thing, or tell yourself that for any reason, there is any single person in existence who is somehow superior to you, and who must be obeyed by you because that person is somehow an "authority," over you, (hint: no, they really aren't) you are taking the cabal's bait.
Every time you immerse yourself in doom porn and related poop, just to satisfy your itching need to be stimulated by drama, you are taking the cabal's bait.
Yes, the cabal will try to play their games. They will try to carry on their shenanigans. That is what they are there to do. The entire purpose of Service to Self as a polarity, is to densify Maya; to create completely arbitrary illusions which we can then use for the purpose of growth. If you really want to know what Service to Self as a polarity is like, then watch
Game of Thrones. One big vertical and totally imaginary hierarchy that everyone wants to get to the top of, without thinking about what it will actually mean if they get the proverbial Big Chair.
I used to get gout, on a regular basis. There was nothing I knew of to do, that would completely get rid of it. A small amount of pain was there constantly. Since getting rid of doom porn (and 4chan) on Thursday, I'm feeling lighter physically and am more pain free right now than I've probably been in three years. Yes, really. I'm also not angry, and I haven't smoked marijuana for two days.
The bottom line is, do not worry about what the cabal are doing. If you asked one of them, they will tell you outright that they can not hope to enact the Georgia Guidestones scenario, without your help; and whenever you open up another article about ISIS or Ebola, you are giving them that help.
Think about that.
They are in comunication with the 'Secret chiefs'.
From Blavatsy to Crowley, from Nazi's to GHW, from Joseph Smith to Alice Bailey... And perhaps from Masonry to Hip Hop. ...Etc etc.
Petrus;
"How thankful for leaders that men do not think!" - Adolf Hitler.
Well, unfortunatley for them, I think.. And I've helped others think, and generally once you get the ball rolling, people DO like to think.
When they aren't being manipulated via mind control ::)
Hence I refer all you 'secret keepers' to my signature quote.
This New Age stuff is just as self contradictory as mainstream Christianity.
I'll present it one day.
Quote from: Sinny on October 26, 2014, 11:42:32 AM
"How thankful for leaders that men do not think!" - Adolf Hitler.
Yes, people do not usually think, and one example of that is that people accept that as being a quote from Adolf Hitler but I have never seen the source. :)
And that is a common thing, just say something and say it's a quote from someone famous and it will be accepted as true, which shows that each one of us have the possibility of ruling partially the part of the world in which we exercise our influence. :)
(http://www.cpnhelp.org/files/images/ABE.jpg)
Quote from: Sinny on October 26, 2014, 11:42:32 AM
This New Age stuff is just as self contradictory as mainstream Christianity.
I'll present it one day.
Sinny, there are any number of different ways through which we can learn the same thing. I've used Minecraft to look at different elements of mathematics that I found interesting, before. If the New Age stuff does not appeal, then by all means, don't accept it. Truthfully I agree with you that there genuinely are enough false channels out there anyway, that even for those of us who are willing to look at it, we walk a fine line.
The main reason why I've accepted what I have, is because I don't find it contradictory; but I also need to remember and keep in mind the fact that my path is mine alone. I've been exposed to far too much evangelism myself, for me to want to do that to anyone else. It is good that you are thinking autonomously; I genuinely commend that.
If we're talking human society/civilization for this thread, my perspective is that bloated bankers and the ultra wealthy run the world. This perspective is influenced by the eight years I spent working in a bank. I saw the holding company owners getting richer, while customer service and employee morale declined precipitously. The ones holding the money greatly influence our lives, and in many cases dictate what we can or cannot do.
But in the end, we still return to our non-corporeal state and our mother earth continues on. Just a cat's take on things.
Shasta
nm
An interesting piece that weaves through a number of subjects we have been discussing:
http://www.mt.net/~watcher/crowleyalienlam.html
Quote from: Sinny on October 26, 2014, 02:57:06 PM
An interesting piece that weaves through a number of subjects we have been discussing:
http://www.mt.net/~watcher/crowleyalienlam.html
Satan exists. He interferes with me every time I try to educate myself. Maybe it's ET. Maybe it's entities in a higher or alternate dimension. Whatever it is, it is evil.
Quote from: Sinny on October 26, 2014, 02:57:06 PM
An interesting piece that weaves through a number of subjects we have been discussing:
http://www.mt.net/~watcher/crowleyalienlam.html
A relevant quote from this article, that caught my eye:-
QuoteJacques said that the evidence emerging suggested to him that the UFOs weren't extraterrestrial at all, but that they seemed to be intelligent systems intent on convincing us they were extraterrestrial. [Indeed, even as our Dear Brother Terence McKenna hath said, "We are part of a symbiotic relationship with something which disguises itself as an extraterrestrial invasion so as not to alarm us." -B:.B:.]
A friend of my brother's converted to Asatru (the reconstructionist religion of the Aesir, or old Norse pantheon) some years ago. He told me that he had been given a series of dreams from the Aesir, which recounted to him the history of the Christian conversion of some of the Scandinavian countries where they had previously been worshipped. He also said that the Aesir had begun recently taking on the appearance of something reasonably close to Grey aliens rather than their traditional resemblance to human Vikings, because they felt that extraterrestrials were now a more appropriate metaphor than Gods, to describe who they were, when dealing with humans.
I will admit that for some time, I had a similar suspicion where Kali was concerned; not least because I am not Indian, but white Australian, so it did not seem particularly appropriate to me that an Indian Goddess would be contacting me. I felt that it was possible that I was being contacted by someone or something who was not actually Kali, but who for some reason had decided to make use of her iconography or appearance when dealing with me. I no longer believe that, however; for the most part, at least.
Like the matrix, our reality has an architect. I know who , and why.
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Quote from: Zenkyai on December 03, 2014, 10:00:36 AM
Like the matrix, our reality has an architect. I know who , and why.
This forum has truly become Great
Ask awayg
Okii, doke - who and why?
Maybe her?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPiLdq1SBCA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPiLdq1SBCA
Most likely, "The Nine". They all work for them. Puharich, Hawas, Bearden, Al Gore to name just a few.