Nazi UFO conspiracy...
I have just watched this on TV... and have to say it certainly does give a very good brief ALTERNATIVE suggestion to UFOs coming from Aliens..but were purely man made by the NAZIs...
Or did the Nazis get certain technology from ETs at sometime ?
As Roswell in 1947 was after WW2....from what it seemed to suggest at one point that there may have been other UFO sightings of what I think they suggest were NAZI designed Saucers...Not sure if that was also during 1947 or a bit later on !
The other question maybe ..Was the ET / Alien Craft suggestions just a cover up for amazing Human Technology ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljR1JlESJYw
Zorgons Thread gives much more detail..
NAZI UFO Mythos
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=2186.0
QuoteOr did the Nazis get certain technology from ETs at sometime ?
Given the time frame of development, unless ET was helping with the R&D and manufacturing it is likely not possible that it would have been engineered OR reverse engineered from ET. If you gave the Nazis a an ipod how long would it take to understand it and reverse engineer it in the 40's. :P The Nazis drew upon occult sources and esoteric material from past history. The technology was more likely from these sources than directly from ET. Another thing to consider is that the designs of the AVRO disc projects matched the designs of some of these discs far too closely to be coincidence in my opinion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOoR5D73Huo
Quote from: astr0144 on October 26, 2014, 10:56:02 PM
Nazi UFO conspiracy...
I have just watched this on TV... and have to say it certainly does give a very good brief ALTERNATIVE suggestion to UFOs coming from Aliens..but were purely man made by the NAZIs...
Or did the Nazis get certain technology from ETs at sometime ?
As Roswell in 1947 was after WW2....from what it seemed to suggest at one point that there may have been other UFO sightings of what I think they suggest were NAZI designed Saucers...Not sure if that was also during 1947 or a bit later on !
The other question maybe ..Was the ET / Alien Craft suggestions just a cover up for amazing Human Technology ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljR1JlESJYw
This video suggests that Kenneth Arnold saw flying wing craft in 1947 (which he did not) and that a flying wing was recovered at Roswell (which was not) and that the public reported flying wings to the newspapers that year (which they did not).
Alleged German blueprints for flying saucers indicate large fans for propulsion, as did American projects Avro and Silverbug.
Large fans will not give you 15,000 mph and 90 degree corners and zig zags.
Americans would not invade their own air space in 1947 and buzz our cities and most TS military installations and endanger commercial airways corridors for the entire year.
This video is very misleading and full of more holes than swiss cheese.
Astro, if you did not spot these huge errors perpetrated by the narrator and the alleged expert interviewed, I suggest you turn off the tv for a while and absorb some real research into the subject.
:o What the heck???...MY BAD!!! :-[ Sorry A51---I hit MODIFY instead of QUOTE. I didn't catch it before I hit save. :-\ No UNDO button.
Dam...now I lost what I wrote too... Think it's time for bed for me. :(
Quote from: Ellirium113 on October 27, 2014, 03:59:18 AM
:o What the heck???...MY BAD!!! :-[ Sorry A51---I hit MODIFY instead of QUOTE. I didn't catch it before I hit save. :-\ No UNDO button.
Dam...now I lost what I wrote too... Think it's time for bed for me. :(
No worries E, I have managed to do that myself a few times in the past.
I managed click back a few pages and found the original post and copied it back.
Hi Ellirium 113...
That would be a very interesting question !
Could they have reversed engineered a Ipod if it was given to them back in the 1940s...
I am not sure about Occult sources and what Esoteric Materials were or are and How or if they could have been used to create such things in a Saucer like craft...
I had a quick browse at that Orion video...I need to find time to study it further and give it thought...but it looks interesting...
QuoteIf you gave the Nazis a an ipod how long would it take to understand it and reverse engineer it in the 40's. :P The Nazis drew upon occult sources and esoteric material from past history. The technology was more likely from these sources than directly from ET.
Hi A51,
Thanks for commenting..& reminding us or giving us the benefit of your experience and research to give any further or alternative details...against what the video may have covered or mentioned...
I am having problems focusing lately and keeping up with things...and may have slipped from being misled in somethings that I have come across..
But it maybe good that you address the video as it keeps up the belief that Non Human or E.T UFOs..
have been what was witnessed...
I need to try to take a closer look at some of the details again...
BUT I agree there was little to suggest that what the video may have shown... that those craft could do such things as 90 degree turns..
There was a few changes in the follow up posts that got me a bit confused at some points.... :-\
I think that some changes may have settled now to follow on and understand...
QuoteLarge fans will not give you 15,000 mph and 90 degree corners and zig zags.
Americans would not invade their own air space in 1947 and buzz our cities and most TS military installations and endanger commercial airways corridors for the entire year.
This video is very misleading and full of more holes than swiss cheese.
Astro, if you did not spot these huge errors perpetrated by the narrator and the alleged expert interviewed, I suggest you turn off the tv for a while and absorb some real research into the subject.
Quote from: A51Watcher on October 27, 2014, 03:44:49 AM
This video suggests that Kenneth Arnold saw flying wing craft in 1947 (which he did not)
How do you know?
Quoteand that a flying wing was recovered at Roswell (which was not)
How do you know?
Quoteand that the public reported flying wings to the newspapers that year (which they did not).
How do you know?
95% of reportings come from outside of the US, FYI.
QuoteAlleged German blueprints for flying saucers indicate large fans for propulsion, as did American projects Avro and Silverbug.
Well, we wouldn't get to see the good stuff now would we?
QuoteAmericans would not invade their own air space in 1947 and buzz our cities and most TS military installations and endanger commercial airways corridors for the entire year.
True, but other governments might.
QuoteAstro, if you did not spot these huge errors perpetrated by the narrator and the alleged expert interviewed, I suggest you turn off the tv for a while and absorb some real research into the subject
.
Like your research consists of 50+ year hearsay?
Quote from: Sinny on October 27, 2014, 10:57:56 AM
This video suggests that Kenneth Arnold saw flying wing craft in 1947 (which he did not)
How do you know?
>>Because that is not what he reported.
Quote
and that a flying wing was recovered at Roswell (which was not)
How do you know?
>>Because that is not what was reported by the people who were actually there.
Quote
and that the public reported flying wings to the newspapers that year (which they did not).
How do you know?
>>Because that is not what they reported.
95% of reportings come from outside of the US, FYI.
>>Not in 1947 they didn't.
Americans would not invade their own air space in 1947 and buzz our cities and most TS military installations and endanger commercial airways corridors for the entire year.
True, but other governments might.
>>Yes the saucers did behave as a foreign power, but that's not what this video rubbish claims, they say it was the Americans themselves.
Quote
Astro, if you did not spot these huge errors perpetrated by the narrator and the alleged expert interviewed, I suggest you turn off the tv for a while and absorb some real research into the subject
Like your research consists of 50+ year hearsay?
>>It's called witness testimony Sin. Unlike made up circumstances in this video, fabricated in the minds of the producers.
By your definition, your own story of a UFO sighting is mere hearsay.
If your going to create a fantasy video, at least stick to what people actually reported.
Without going through my notes, from what I remember one or more (but definitely not all) of the vehicles Kenneth Arnold saw might have been a Horton wing type. The crashed Roswell vehicle was not reported to look like a flying disk.
A51s criticism of the video is pretty fair based on the evidence we have.
None of the German designs (apart from ones that look faked) had any details of a mode of propulsion that explains the UFO wave. In fact officially, no known propulsion even today can account for the phenomena reported in the 1940s.
I do think some of the radar material was down to radar spoofing and some of the sightings in the 60s look like microwave mind control weapons testing (interestingly also radar related as radar is microwave).
If the Nazis had saucers then the Russians would likely have them as they acquired rocketry from the Nazis just like the Brits and Americans did. Still no leak of a propulsion mechanism in Russia either?
Quote from: Pimander on October 27, 2014, 01:13:12 PM
If the Nazis had saucers then the Russians would likely have them as they acquired rocketry from the Nazis just like the Brits and Americans did. Still no leak of a propulsion mechanism in Russia either?
Cosmospheres...
Quote from: A51Watcher on October 27, 2014, 12:18:41 PM
By your definition, your own story of a UFO sighting is mere hearsay.
That, I do not dispute..
I believe I am a more credible witness as I am not paid to follow orders...
And my story hasn't changed once.
In regards to Kenneth Arnold sighting, he DID describe what could have been the Horton craft.
It is not even conclusive that he described them as 'Saucers', apparenttley this description came from what he stated that got lost in translation..
Quote from: Pimander on October 27, 2014, 01:13:12 PM
Without going through my notes, from what I remember one or more (but definitely not all) of the vehicles Kenneth Arnold saw might have been a Horton wing type. The crashed Roswell vehicle was not reported to look like a flying disk.
I'm guessing the above was a typo and you meant to say "The crashed Roswell vehicle was not reported to look like a flying wing".
...and when you examine your notes you will find Arnold changed his original story a few weeks later of them all being flying discs to one of them being heel shaped, as photographed by Rankin, when he was informed of the sighting by AAF investigators interviewing him.
Said he had forgotten that detail until reminded by the Rankin sighting.
Here is Arnolds own drawing of the heel shaped craft as submitted to the investigators -
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d1/Arnold_AAF_drawing.jpg/220px-Arnold_AAF_drawing.jpg)
Quote from: Sinny on October 27, 2014, 01:30:28 PM
I believe I am a more credible witness as I am not paid to follow orders...
And my story hasn't changed once.
And neither were the thousands of civilian witnesses reporting to the papers that year paid to follow orders, and their story has not changed either, if that is your criteria for reliable reports.
Quote from: A51Watcher on October 27, 2014, 01:42:01 PM
and their story has not changed either
You know this because you have have traced them all down and asked them again?
Sorry A51, I am not intentionally being a pain in your ass, in a new approach that I am trying out in UFOlogy I am not allowing myself to speculate beyond
known facts.
Quote from: Sinny on October 27, 2014, 01:46:09 PM
You know this because you have have traced them all down and asked them again?
As a matter of fact, yes I have, several of them (locals) but not all of course.
Prof. James Mcdonald did so as well in the 60's.
Hey Astro,
Did you check this one out?
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=6793.0
ETA: How are you appearing offline A51? Did you select that option?
Quote from: Sinny on October 27, 2014, 01:54:03 PM
ETA: How are you appearing offline A51? Did you select that option?
No, I selected logout. ;)
Quote from: A51Watcher on October 27, 2014, 01:56:26 PM
No, I selected logout. ;)
Anyway, as a change of pace A51, we'll still be workin on Roswell in the back ground... are there any other examples you wish to provide of what you deem to be at ET Craft, Encounter, or Crash?
Quote from: Sinny on October 27, 2014, 01:46:09 PM
Sorry A51, I am not intentionally being a pain in your ass, in a new approach that I am trying out in UFOlogy I am not allowing myself to speculate beyond known facts.
Sounds like a reasonable approach.
And it's no trouble really, Pim and I worked out these answers together a few years ago whilst fighting the ATS crowd together.
We made remarkable progress using the very approach you mention above.
Quote from: A51Watcher on October 27, 2014, 01:32:33 PM
Here is Arnolds own drawing of the heel shaped craft as submitted to the investigators -
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d1/Arnold_AAF_drawing.jpg/220px-Arnold_AAF_drawing.jpg)
That picture speaks volumes as THAT heel shaped craft IS one of the designs that were being worked on by AVRO.
(http://www.laesieworks.com/ifo/lib/AVRO-pict/avro-omega03.gif)
(http://www.laesieworks.com/ifo/lib/AVRO-pict/avro-omega02.jpg)
It seems very likely that Dr. Richard Meithe had been working on similar designs back in Germany and had a hand in AVROs disc project development. Pretty amazing coincidence if I'm wrong.
(http://www.military.com/pics/PMsaucer1.jpg)
(http://www.roswellufomuseum.com/images/research/topics/ourufos/001lenticular1.jpg)
(http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/spaf.jpg)
Thk you...I will try to watch it when I can find time..
I can be logged on PRC, but have other webpages open...or doing other things on my Computer...or thinking about other things outside prc...Unfortunately I am not always able to be continually researching..
QuoteHey Astro,
Did you check this one out?
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=6793.0
ETA: How are you appearing offline A51? Did you select that option?
Thks for posting those photos and diagrams E113 & "Z"....those craft look quite amazing, especially if they are pure manmade...
The Nuclear one reminds me of one of the Star Trek enterprise craft that they carry if I recall...
Incredible technology and design.....
I wonder if that Nuke one is one of the very latest designs...ie not one done 50 yrs in advance that has recently appeared.... ???
Quote from: astr0144 on October 27, 2014, 11:40:54 PM
I wonder if that Nuke one is one of the very latest designs...ie not one done 50 yrs in advance that has recently appeared.... ???
THIS should answer your question...
In our July 1997 cover story, "Roswell Plus 50," POPULAR MECHANICS detailed how Air Force interest in duplicating Nazi technology led to two American flying disc projects. Project Silver Bug sought to build a vertical takeoff and landing aircraft. Project Pye Wacket was to create small discs for use as air-to-air missiles. Documents declassified since then point to a third secret project, a 40-ft. "flying saucer" designed to rain nuclear destruction on the Soviet Union from 300 miles in space.
Related research commenced during the late 1950s. The Convair/Pomona division of General Dynamics initiated a project entitled Pye Wacket. Its purpose was to determine the feasibility of developing a missile-defense system based on flying discs (lenticular vehicles). Although Pye Wacket was terminated by 1961, research had shown lenticular-shaped vehicles possessed sound re-entry characteristics. Subsequently, research proceeded towards developing manned lenticular re-entry vehicles during the 1960s and '70s.
The official designation for America's nuclear flying saucer was the Lenticular Reentry Vehicle (LRV). It was designed by engineers at the Los Angeles Division of North American Aviation, under a contract with the U.S. Air Force. The project was managed out of Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, in Dayton, Ohio, where German engineers who had worked on rocket plane and flying disc technology had been resettled.
The LRV escaped public scrutiny because it was hidden away as one of the Pentagon's so-called "black budget" items -- that is, a secret project that is incorporated into some piece of nonclassified work.
On Dec. 12, 1962, security officers at Wright-Patterson classified the LRV as secret because: "It describes an offensive weapon system." The project remained classified until May 1999, when a congressionally mandated review of old documents changed the project's status as a government secret, downgrading it to public information. The Department of Defense did, however, successfully seek to have the document's distribution restricted to defense contractors. PM obtained its copy as the result of a Freedom of Information Act request.
http://www.military.com/Content/MoreContent/?file=PMsaucer
Lenticular Reentry Vehicle:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenticular_Reentry_Vehicle#/search
Wikipedia always a goods source
AFTER the fact :P
::)
I got my info here
(http://www.the-big-picture.org.uk/wp/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/popular-mechanics-July-1997-Roswell-plus-50.jpg) (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00C43EETE/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=211189&creative=373489&creativeASIN=B00C43EETE&link_code=as3&tag=pegasreseacon-20&linkId=IB6WF4M5UACETCTF)
Popular Mechanics Magazine July 1997 Roswell / UFO Crash (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00C43EETE/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=211189&creative=373489&creativeASIN=B00C43EETE&link_code=as3&tag=pegasreseacon-20&linkId=IB6WF4M5UACETCTF)
That does quite amaze me....especially if its purely Human design.
Not sure exactly what its flight abilities were / are ... in terms of speed and how far it could travel...
Like we may envision ET Type UFOs to do....
90 degree turns etc...
but otherwise it looks the real business !
I never thought that they would release such info to the public ! I am surprised :o
What do they have as the very latest Craft that is superior to all the rest I wonder..Both Purely Human..and ET if they are here !
QuoteOn Dec. 12, 1962, security officers at Wright-Patterson classified the LRV as secret because: "It describes an offensive weapon system." The project remained classified until May 1999
Again I am surprised its on Wikapedea !
wikipedia
QuoteThe Lenticular Reentry Vehicle (LRV), according to a November 2000 Popular Mechanics cover story,[1] was an experimental nuclear warhead delivery system under development during the Cold War by defense contractor North American Aviation, managed out of Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Dayton, Ohio.
The project was classified as secret in 1962 and cleared for public release December 28, 1999.[2] Its declassified technical report had been compiled by R. J. Oberto, Los Angeles Division of North American Aviation. His report described the LRV as an offensive weapons system. Popular Mechanics obtained information on the LRV from a Freedom of Information Act request after documents describing the project were declassified in 1999.
Quote from: astr0144 on October 28, 2014, 12:56:21 AM
I never thought that they would release such info to the public ! I am surprised :o
General rule of thumb re Classified documents 50 years before it becomes unclassified UNLESS they feel the material is still a matter of National Security
So even when documents are declassified you will see sections blacked out {redacted} A lot of that is names but on FOIA requests you can sometimes see pages of black ink
QuoteAgain I am surprised its on Wikapedea !
why? Wikipedia is merely a collection of reports posted by someone like us. That is why it is not allowed as a source in school. Generally wikipedia is a biased opinion website. It has value though because you can copy and paste stuff free and the CITATIONS are real so it gives you a fast starting point
But an article on Wiki is usually added much later, after the item has made mainstream
(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/ma50a781aa.png)
(http://cdn.topsecretwriters.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/army-flying-saucers.jpg)
Quote from: A51Watcher on October 27, 2014, 01:32:33 PM
I'm guessing the above was a typo and you meant to say "The crashed Roswell vehicle was not reported to look like a flying wing".
Correct. :)
Quote...and when you examine your notes you will find Arnold changed his original story a few weeks later of them all being flying discs to one of them being heel shaped, as photographed by Rankin, when he was informed of the sighting by AAF investigators interviewing him.
Ah yes, I remember doing a thread on it over at ATS now.
Have I missed something? Can someone explain to me how 1060s craft could be responsible for a 1940s UFO incident?
I am almost certain that there was no nuclear propelled craft in the 1940s. Rocketry was in its infancy.
Here is an example of a nuclear power source from 1943.
QuoteThe reactor consists of a huge block of graphite, measuring 24 feet (7.3 m) on each side, surrounded by several feet of high-density concrete as a radiation shield.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-10_Graphite_Reactor
So the mass of shielding is a huge problem.
QuoteThis was the only known airborne reactor experiment by the U.S. with an operational nuclear reactor on board. The NTA flew a total of 47 times testing the reactor over West Texas and Southern New Mexico. The reactor, named the Aircraft Shield Test Reactor (ASTR), was operational but did not power the plane, rather the primary purpose of the flight program was shield testing. Based on the results of the NTA, the X-6 and the entire nuclear aircraft program was abandoned in 1961.
QuoteIt was a presidential election year. Frustrated that Soviets had an operational atomic airplane before we did, and at Eisenhower's seeming ambivalence to it, Kennedy promised to pump additional resources into the atomic airplane project should he be elected.
Kennedy won the election—and within several months of taking office, he cancelled the nuclear airplane program all together. What happened? Well, it turns out that Eisenhower's ambivalence to the whole thing was warranted. Late in his term, he found out that the Soviets did not in fact have an atomic airplane. The whole thing was a hoax. And we bought into it hard.
So, the atomic airplane scheme faded into history. Until the fall of the Iron Curtain.
http://mentalfloss.com/article/53184/brief-history-nuclear-airplanes
I could be wrong but I doubt they had nuclear propelled craft. If someone said some alleged UFO crash sites were nuclear accidents then I'd agree, but I don't think there was nuclear propelled flight in the 1940s.
Quote from: Pimander on October 28, 2014, 11:36:45 AM
Have I missed something? Can someone explain to me how 1060s craft could be responsible for a 1940s UFO incident?
Yea, the craft could have pre-dated the 1960's..
Dohh aha.
I'm not saying it did however.
I reckon Tunguska was a nuclear Fission error in a flying device.
Was Roswell UFO Crash A Secret Nazi Aircraft?.
I wonder if the Huntington Post website have been reading this PRC thread ? :-\
The Roswell, New Mexico, UFO crash of 1947 was the result of -- here it comes, wait for it -- top secret Nazi technology. No alien spacecraft, no alien bodies, but an aircraft called the "Bell" (depicted above from a 2008 Discovery Channel documentary).
(http://i.huffpost.com/gen/2212858/thumbs/o-NAZIUFO-BELL-570.jpg?6)
hitler
(http://i.huffpost.com/gen/2219120/thumbs/s-HITLER-large300.jpg)
At least that's what a new German film seems to suggest, according to OpenMinds.tv.
To be sure, it's questionable what actually happened in the outskirts of that small town 67 years ago. But it's also questionable if this film will ever see the light of day.
At least, here's the most truthful thing known about the incident: Something came out of the sky in July 1947 and crashed on a ranch near Roswell. But what that "something" was has become a nearly 70-year-old legend.
Everything from extraterrestrial spacecraft to weather balloon to military high altitude device for spying on Soviet nuclear testing has been offered for the identity of the crashed object.
And now, the film, supposedly called "UFOs and the Third Reich," is promoting another theory: A 10-foot-wide, 12-foot-high, anti-gravity, bell-shaped craft, combining rocket and helicopter technology, created by Nazi Germany, fell into the hands of the U.S. in 1943, who further developed the project. An alleged test of the Bell resulted in its crash, which became the event that started the Roswell UFO saga.
Stories about the Nazi Bell have cropped up in the UFO literature for many years, including Discovery Channel's 2008 "Nazi UFO Conspiracy."
"This is what I saw, with my own eyes -- a Nazi UFO," German aeronautical engineer Georg Klein is reputed to say in "UFOs and the Third Reich." "I don't consider myself a crackpot or eccentric or someone given to fantasies."
The new film is also rumored to focus on German engineer, Joseph Andreas Epp, who reportedly worked on a UFO project which resulted in several saucer-shaped vehicles that supposedly included dome-shaped cabins and a rotating rim.
"The wing blades would be allowed to rotate freely as the saucer moved forward, as in an auto-gyrocopter," Epp said. "In all probability, the wing blades speed -- and so, their lifting value -- could also be increased by directing the adjustable horizontal jets slightly upwards to engage the blades, thus spinning them faster at the digression of the pilot."
If the so-called Bell UFO is what actually crashed outside of Roswell in 1947, it would contradict the many military eyewitnesses who eventually came forward and described the physical appearance and otherworldy characteristics of the object that fell out of the New Mexico sky -- not to mention their descriptions of several small humanoid occupants of the craft.
This isn't the first time we've looked at the so-called Nazi-UFO-Alien connection.
Back in 2011, investigative reporter Annie Jacobsen raised a controversial question in her book about the top secret Nevada military base, known as Area 51: Did former Soviet leader Joseph Stalin recruit Josef Mengele, the Nazi "Angel of Death," to surgically alter children to look like aliens in 1947, and did they place these malformed adolescents on board a Soviet spy plane to be part of the Roswell UFO crash?
At the beginning of 2014, we examined a wild story that suggested the U.S. government has been under the control of a shadow government overseen by extraterrestrials who helped Nazi Germany's rise in the 1930s.
The current German documentary certainly won't bring more answers to the Roswell debate. At the very least, it offers further questions about who and what to believe of the biggest UFO controversy in history.
And, oh, there's one other thing about this "new" film. Whoever the producers of it are, they don't seem too interested in releasing any promotional clips, trailers or still images from it. An extensive Internet search hasn't turned up anything -- yet.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/30/roswell-ufo-secret-nazi-aircraft_n_6037164.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592
Astro, go look up:
Joseph P Farrell
Peter Levenda
Martin Cannon
Alex constantine
And William lyne,
There are more, but I'm half asleep.
Re, Nazi Bell etc etc..
And so we have thousands of sightings of flying saucers all across the nation for the entire year of 1947, not one report of a bell, yet when one comes down it turns out to be a flying bell?
Makes perfect sense. ::)
Here is a article about the Roswell UFO crash that may have involved Nazi rocket technology:
http://ufomafia.com/blog/documentary-roswell-crash-nazi-rocket-technology
Well A51,
From what I can gather, you have recently posted many examples of UFO sightings as statements or evidence that did take place in 1947...and there was few if any that suggest that they were Nazi Craft or at least were not of the flying Bell shape....
It seems maybe that you are probably the only person on PRC that has done such indepth research on this and I am very doubtful that many people, even those with a keen interest...would spend such time and effort trying to do so.
Sinny seems to have gone quite a lot further than most (on PRC ) in terms of trying to looking into other possibilities...be it Nazi Craft or looking into many of the other conspiracy suggestions...
Im not sure if what you have shown well as yet have satisfied her intensity and indepth of research... but I think you are helping me to re think again...
I well try and take a look at some of the other videos posted and suggested to take a look at..to try and conclude on what I started this thread about...
Generally Id doubt many other forums would have someone as keen as you who could pass on such information that may have otherwise easily of sidetracked researchers to consider the Nazi theories..
Were they designed as another form of deceit to try to keep us away from continually looking at the real evidence ? :-\
As WW2 was before 1947 Roswell incident....
I do need to look and try to check some facts as to just what sort of suggested Nazi craft sightings were occurring before and after 1947...!
Quote from: A51Watcher on October 31, 2014, 12:17:41 AM
And so we have thousands of sightings of flying saucers all across the nation for the entire year of 1947, not one report of a bell, yet when one comes down it turns out to be a flying bell?
Makes perfect sense. ::)
Quote from: A51Watcher on October 31, 2014, 12:17:41 AM
And so we have thousands of sightings of flying saucers all across the nation for the entire year of 1947, not one report of a bell, yet when one comes down it turns out to be a flying bell?
Makes perfect sense. ::)
I'm not stating it was a Bell, the purpose of the article is not to pin point the design of the craft, but to in form us of the technology behind it.
Santa's slay would make more sense than little grey aliens travelling across the galaxy to extract cattle bits and sperm....
Him I can prove
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/41pegasus/04images/Santa/34294.jpg)
Quote from: zorgon on October 31, 2014, 10:14:41 AM
Him I can prove
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/41pegasus/04images/Santa/34294.jpg)
What the frig lol.
Quote from: A51Watcher on October 31, 2014, 12:17:41 AM
And so we have thousands of sightings of flying saucers all across the nation for the entire year of 1947, not one report of a bell, yet when one comes down it turns out to be a flying bell?
Makes perfect sense. ::)
No, it makes no perfect sense: 8)
I would think that small sized UFO's that crash on this planet and are recovered are some sort of recon probe. Too small to serve as transportation but I heard of UFO cases where the interior of the UFO was larger than the exterior of the craft. Some sort of spacial distortion is taking place or the occupants are somehow transformed into either smaller size or turned into a energy form in order to fit inside the craft. The interior they are perceiving would then most likely could be a simulation projected into their minds to give the illusion of being in a actual place. A pretty neat way to get around I think.
Quote from: onetruekeeper on October 31, 2014, 04:47:40 PM
I would think that small sized UFO's that crash on this planet and are recovered are some sort of recon probe. Too small to serve as transportation but I heard of UFO cases where the interior of the UFO was larger than the exterior of the craft. Some sort of spacial distortion is taking place or the occupants are somehow transformed into either smaller size or turned into a energy form in order to fit inside the craft. The interior they are perceiving would then most likely could be a simulation projected into their minds to give the illusion of being in a actual place. A pretty neat way to get around I think.
Perhaps it is we that live in the simulation and our perception of reality is distorted due to the fact it is beyond comprehension so to us it is whatever we understand it to be.
Dr Who already covered that issue. The interior simply exists in another dimension. If you can travel through time and space at plus light speeds, it shouldn't be a problem
It would also explain why UFO pilots don't get plastered on the walls with high speed maneuvers
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"A larger cube can appear to be able to fit inside a smaller one if the larger cube is farther away, yet immediately accessible at the same time"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xN4DxdiFrs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xN4DxdiFrs
Quote from: Ellirium113 on October 31, 2014, 05:24:20 PM
Perhaps it is we that live in the simulation and our perception of reality is distorted due to the fact it is beyond comprehension so to us it is whatever we understand it to be.
For that possibility to happen, the conscious entity or "soul" must be able to interface with the simulation in order to experience the simulation's virtual reality program. Some suggest that the simulation itself could produce consciousness but I do not agree with this theory. I believe that the best that a simulation can do is to mimic a conscious person.
Easy to debate this all day long but perhaps it is best discussed in another thread as this is starting to get off track.
Quote from: onetruekeeper on October 31, 2014, 04:47:40 PM
I would think that small sized UFO's that crash on this planet and are recovered are some sort of recon probe.
WHICH " small sized UFO's that crashed" would those be?
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Quote from: Sinny on October 27, 2014, 01:30:28 PM
That, I do not dispute..
I believe I am a more credible witness as I am not paid to follow orders...
And my story hasn't changed once.
In regards to Kenneth Arnold sighting, he DID describe what could have been the Horton craft.
It is not even conclusive that he described them as 'Saucers', apparenttley this description came from what he stated that got lost in translation..
No, he did NOT describe them as flying wings. Source please?
When Arnold landed, he DID describe disc shaped objects -
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June 24 1947 - The Oregonian (Portland) 2:58 p.m. PST (June 26 edition)
Washinton - Kenneth Arnold, flying his private plane near Mount Rainier, was attracted by reflected sunlight from nine disc shaped metallic flying objects. He watched as they flashed across the sky, one behind the other, "skipping as saucers upon water." They tilted back and forth as they flew. He clocked them as they flew past Mount Adams, and calculated that they were flying at a speed of 1,500 miles per hour and at an altitude of 9,500 feet.
Washington - Flying near Mount Rainier, in his private plane from Chehalis to Yakima, Kenneth Arnold saw at a right angle to his aircraft nine very bright disc-shaped objects come into view. They were flying extremely fast in a reversed echelon formation north and to the left of Mount Rainier.
Arnold reasoned that the disc formation was five miles in length and passed the 47 mile distance in one minute and 42 seconds.
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Yes, describing their motion as being like saucers skipping across water is where the confusion about him calling them flying saucers came in, but his actual words were 'disc shaped' with -no- wings or propellers.
If you read the " Alien Race Book " http://www.docdroid.net/9wcc/alien-race-book-arb.pdf.html
go to page 155 and in it you will see a photograph of the saucers flying over Mt. Rainier took by Arnold
Later the story was changed to flying wings instead of saucers with only an illustration to prove it.
I think it was an attempt to make us believe that the UFO's were man made and not E.T's
The same thing in the Roswell case. First it was a saucer, then later the story was changed to a manta ray shaped aircraft. Something's going on here...LOL
Quote from: A51Watcher on November 02, 2014, 02:14:41 AM
When Arnold landed, he DID describe disc shaped objects -
Which is where and when the term "Flying Saucer" Originated
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Sigh... as time goes on it gets more and more muddled. At least we have Boyd Bushman's death bed testimony
Quote from: Ellirium113 on November 01, 2014, 04:45:08 PM
Easy to debate this all day long but perhaps it is best discussed in another thread as this is starting to get off track.
You have the POWER to move the posts :P
Quote from: Ellirium113 on November 01, 2014, 04:45:08 PM
Easy to debate this all day long but
WHY? Why does everything always need debate? The sun is YELLOW End of story... I don't wanna hear about red sunsets That has nothing to do with the color of the sun Its YELLOW End of story...
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June 25, 1947 issue of the Pendleton (Oregon) East Oregonian carried
the very first report of Arnold's sighting at the bottom of page 1:
"He said he sighted nine
saucer-like aircraft flying in formation at 3. p.m. yesterday, extremely bright -- as if they were nickel plated -- and flying at an immense rate of speed. He estimated they were at an altitude between 9,500 and 10,000 feet and clocked them from Mt. Rainier to Mt. Adams, arriving at the amazing speed of about 1200 miles an hour. "It seemed impossible," he said, "but there it is -- I must believe my eyes."
The June 26 issue of the Chicago Daily Tribune quoted Arnold in a page one story:
"The first thing I noticed was a series of flashes in my eyes as if a mirror was reflecting sunlight at me... I saw the flashes were coming from a series of objects that were traveling incredibly fast. They were silvery and shiny and seemed to be
shaped like a pie plate . . . What startled me most at this point was . . . that I could not find any tails on them.
Several years later, Arnold would state he likened their movement to saucers skipping on water
End of story...
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(http://craziestgadgets.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/flying-saucer-bowl.jpg)
Quote from: onetruekeeper on November 02, 2014, 04:00:05 AMSomething's going on here...LOL
Yes it is
WHY did they do a remake of "The Day the Earth Stood Still"?
Quote from: zorgon on November 01, 2014, 06:58:52 PM
WHICH " small sized UFO's that crashed" would those be?
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1. Kecksburg UFO
2. Russian crashed UFO ( The Secret UFO Files of the KGB )
3. UFO crashes in China ( photo and article ) http://www.openminds.tv/ufo-crash-lands-china/27679
There is much more. I am too lazy to find them all.
Quote from: zorgon on November 02, 2014, 11:25:08 AM
Yes it is
WHY did they do a remake of "The Day the Earth Stood Still"?
Not enough imagination left in Hollywood these days.
Also that Jaden Smith ruined the movie for me.
I saw the Bushman disclosure video. The man sounded sincere but the photographs look unconvincing.
Quote from: zorgon on October 28, 2014, 12:15:58 AM
Related research commenced during the late 1950s. The Convair/Pomona division of General Dynamics initiated a project entitled Pye Wacket. Its purpose was to determine the feasibility of developing a missile-defense system based on flying discs (lenticular vehicles). Although Pye Wacket was terminated by 1961, research had shown lenticular-shaped vehicles possessed sound re-entry characteristics. Subsequently, research proceeded towards developing manned lenticular re-entry vehicles during the 1960s and '70s.
Langley lenticular bodies:
Proposed Ames M2-F1, M1-L half-cone, and Langley lenticular bodies.
Photo Number: EC62-175
Photo Date: 12 Oct 1962
(http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/Gallery/Photo/M2-F1/Small/EC62-175.jpg)
QuotePhoto Description:
Dale Reed, who inaugurated the lifting-body flight research at NASA's Flight Research Center (later, Dryden Flight Research Center, Edwards, CA), originally proposed that three wooden outer shells be built. These would then be attached to the single internal steel structure. The three shapes were (viewer's left to right) the M2-F1, the M1-L, and a lenticular shape. Milt Thompson, who supported Reed's advocacy for a lifting-body research project, recommended that only the M2-F1 shell be built, believing that the M1-L shape was "too radical," while the lenticular one was "too exotic." Although the lenticular shape was often likened to that of a flying saucer, Reed's wife Donna called it the "powder puff."
http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/Gallery/Photo/M2-F1/HTML/EC62-175.html (http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/Gallery/Photo/M2-F1/HTML/EC62-175.html)
(http://oi62.tinypic.com/28gtw7b.jpg)
Source: From Runway to Orbit: Reflections of a NASA Engineer: https://books.google.com.br/books?id=8QLGRq793Y4C&printsec=frontcover&hl=pt-BR#v=onepage&q&f=false (https://books.google.com.br/books?id=8QLGRq793Y4C&printsec=frontcover&hl=pt-BR#v=onepage&q&f=false)
PDF: http://history.nasa.gov/SP-4109.pdf (http://history.nasa.gov/SP-4109.pdf)
(http://oi62.tinypic.com/ea458z.jpg)
http://www.amazon.com/Sack-Source-Nazi-Germany-Claims-ebook/dp/B008QQYKGU (http://www.amazon.com/Sack-Source-Nazi-Germany-Claims-ebook/dp/B008QQYKGU)
(http://www.astronautix.com/graphics/w/wlentica.jpg)
QuoteFor a brief period in 1959-1964, NASA and the US Air Force actively considered launching manned flying saucers into space. Although very much in tune with UFO mania and science fiction films of the times, the concept lost out to other aerodynamic concepts.
Alan Kehlet was an aerodynamicist at NASA Langley. He played an important role in the NASA's Space Task Group New Projects Panel, which established the American space program for the 1960's. Kehlet first conceived of his lenticular manned spacecraft design in 1959. He was unsuccessful in getting the concept accepted for the Apollo program, although each bidder was asked to conduct an engineering analysis of a lenticular version of the spacecraft. Kehlet moved to North American Aviation in 1962, and the company proposed modified versions of Kehlet's vehicle for manned military and shuttle missions in the early 1960's.
Kehlet argued that a lenticular vehicle, as a manned spacecraft launched into orbit by a conventional booster, had clear advantages over ballistic, lifting body, and winged designs. At hypersonic re-entry speeds it would undergo lower heating and require less shielding. At the same time it was more maneuverable at subsonic speeds than a winged design, and could land at sea or on land without undercarriage. The symmetrical shape meant it would integrate easily into conventional booster designs, without creating excessive drag or asymmetric loads during ascent to orbit.
A saucer-shaped vehicle was inherently aerodynamically unstable and would require aerodynamic surfaces to allow controlled gliding flight. Kehlet advocated the use of deployable fins that would conform to the convex top of the saucer during most of the mission, and only be deployed when the spacecraft had slowed to below Mach 2 after reentry.
Of the Apollo bidders, Convair accepted Kehlet's design with little modification. General Electric believed it to have heating and stability problems, and proposed a modified version, a lifting body with only a whiff of the pure lenticular vehicle about it. In later North American studies, a permanently fixed square surface was mounted to the aft hemisphere of the saucer, providing aerodynamic control during re-entry as well. This increased the cross-range capability compared to the original design.
By the end of the1960's exhaustive aerodynamic tests converged on the X-33-type lifting body or the Space Shuttle-type cranked-delta winged vehicle. Lenticular concepts were not considered during the Shuttle design studies, and the opportunity to fly a real flying saucer passed into history.
http://www.astronautix.com/fam/lenicles.htm (http://www.astronautix.com/fam/lenicles.htm)
"Lenticular concepts were not considered", I wonder...
Humm...
Bell as a Uranium/Plutonium Breeder?
Pretty reasonable conclusion based on known facts and a quite ingenious method to create a shortcut to enriching uranium.
The down side was workers exposed to it in action didn't last long.
https://sites.google.com/site/nazibelluncovered/ (https://sites.google.com/site/nazibelluncovered/)
Pretty scary considering the advanced level of progress achieved according to witness testimony.
Although I do not subscribe to the Nazi UFO conspiracy, I do look at any new evidence that comes up on the matter.
Reason being is that the evidence has always been very thin and shabby.
I just recently saw a new one that does a much better job than all the rest. The quality and work is at a level that reminds me of the Russian kid that has been faking Roswell and alien interviews (skinny Bob for example) for several years now, and doing a very nice job.
Anyway I could be wrong on the whole Nazi UFO thing because it just doesn't make sense to me for several reasons and the evidence seems rather flimsy.
In case better evidence comes along I will share it.
This one is interesting for several reasons.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adt7v5vzFvU
if you look at most of zorgons last pics and combine them.you get tr3b astra.
astra is the perfection.
as for nazi ufos,omg!
i absolutely believe in them,100%.
ive dove into the tech and they are the real deal.
yall reàlly should go over to tap and look up my antarctic meltdown thread.theres possibly one currently in nuke meltdown and G.O.C.E. satellite data shows its gravity signature.
Quote from: robomont on November 16, 2018, 12:04:26 AM
if you look at most of zorgons last pics and combine them.you get tr3b astra.
astra is the perfection.
as for nazi ufos,omg!
i absolutely believe in them,100%.
ive dove into the tech and they are the real deal.
yall reàlly should go over to tap and look up my antarctic meltdown thread.theres possibly one currently in nuke meltdown and G.O.C.E. satellite data shows its gravity signature.
I would agree with you Robomont. The TR3B is based off the same tech (so far as the description of operation goes). I tend to believe it is based more off of terrestrial tech than ETs. While there may not be any evidence of th eactual UFOs it is easy to find that most of the technology used IS.
I recommend to have a look through the Nazi Ufo stuff here as I am not sure if you all have seen this material:
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=2186.0 (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=2186.0)
i need some help interpreting a pic in swiss or german.i think it is a german flux capacitor.is there away for me to directly add a pick from my cellphone or is imgur the only way?
thankyou for the nazi thread link.it took me to grayfalcon where i found the image immediately.
below the image it talked of high fuel use and the need for nuke power.
my friend who passed away two days ago, worked on lockheeds nuke engine.it was not a failure ,as was stated by lockheed in the past.it was a success.
Quote from: robomont on November 17, 2018, 12:23:22 AM
is there away for me to directly add a pick from my cellphone or is imgur the only way?
Imgur (or something like it) would be better.