Nazi UFO conspiracy

[Ellirium113]

Easy to debate this all day long but perhaps it is best discussed in another thread as this is starting to get off track.

[zorgon]

I would think that small sized UFO's that crash on this planet and are recovered are some sort of recon probe.

WHICH " small sized UFO's that crashed" would those be?

[A51Watcher]

That, I do not dispute..

I believe I am a more credible witness as I am not paid to follow orders...
And my story hasn't changed once.

In regards to Kenneth Arnold sighting, he DID describe what could have been the Horton craft.
It is not even conclusive that he described them as 'Saucers', apparenttley this description came from what he stated that got lost in translation..

No, he did NOT describe them as flying wings. Source please?


When Arnold landed, he DID describe disc shaped objects -


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June 24 1947 - The Oregonian (Portland) 2:58 p.m. PST (June 26 edition)

Washinton - Kenneth Arnold, flying his private plane near Mount Rainier, was attracted by reflected sunlight from nine disc shaped metallic flying objects. He watched as they flashed across the sky, one behind the other, "skipping as saucers upon water." They tilted back and forth as they flew.  He clocked them as they flew past Mount Adams, and calculated that they were flying at a speed of 1,500 miles per hour and at an altitude of 9,500 feet.


Washington - Flying near Mount Rainier, in his private plane from Chehalis to Yakima, Kenneth  Arnold saw at a right angle to his aircraft nine very bright disc-shaped objects come into view. They were flying extremely fast in a reversed echelon formation north and to the left of Mount Rainier.

Arnold reasoned that the disc formation was five miles in length and passed the 47 mile distance in one minute and 42 seconds.

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Yes, describing their motion as being like saucers skipping across water is where the confusion about him calling them flying saucers came in, but his actual words were  'disc shaped' with -no- wings or propellers.

[onetruekeeper]

If you read the " Alien Race Book " http://www.docdroid.net/9wcc/alien-race-book-arb.pdf.html
go to page 155 and in it you will see a photograph of the saucers flying over Mt. Rainier took by Arnold
Later the story was changed to flying wings instead of saucers with only an illustration to prove it.
I think it was an attempt to make us believe that the UFO's were man made and not E.T's

The same thing in the Roswell case. First it was a saucer, then later the story was changed to a manta ray shaped aircraft. Something's going on here...LOL

[zorgon]

When Arnold landed, he DID describe disc shaped objects -

Which is where and when the term "Flying Saucer" Originated



Sigh... as time goes on it gets more and more muddled. At least we have Boyd Bushman's death bed  testimony

[zorgon]

Easy to debate this all day long but perhaps it is best discussed in another thread as this is starting to get off track.

You have the POWER to move the posts 

[zorgon]

Easy to debate this all day long but

WHY? Why does everything always need debate?  The sun is YELLOW  End of story... I don't wanna hear about red sunsets  That has nothing to do with the color of the sun  Its YELLOW   End of story...



June 25, 1947 issue of the Pendleton (Oregon) East Oregonian carried the very first report of Arnold's sighting at the bottom of page 1:

"He said he sighted nine saucer-like aircraft flying in formation at 3. p.m. yesterday, extremely bright -- as if they were nickel plated -- and flying at an immense rate of speed.   He estimated they were at an altitude between 9,500 and 10,000 feet and clocked them from Mt. Rainier to Mt. Adams, arriving at the amazing speed of about 1200 miles an hour.   "It seemed impossible," he said, "but there it is -- I must believe my eyes."

The June 26 issue of the Chicago Daily Tribune quoted Arnold in a page one story:

"The first thing I noticed was a series of flashes in my eyes as if a mirror was reflecting sunlight at me... I saw the flashes were coming from a series of objects that were traveling incredibly fast. They were silvery and shiny and seemed to be shaped like a pie plate . . . What startled me most at this point was . . . that I could not find any tails on them.

Several years later, Arnold would state he likened their movement to saucers skipping on water

End of story...

[zorgon]

Something's going on here...LOL

Yes it is 

WHY did they do a remake of "The Day the Earth Stood Still"?

[onetruekeeper]

WHICH " small sized UFO's that crashed" would those be?

1. Kecksburg UFO
2. Russian crashed UFO ( The Secret UFO Files of the KGB )
3. UFO crashes in China ( photo and article ) http://www.openminds.tv/ufo-crash-lands-china/27679
There is much more. I am too lazy to find them all.

[onetruekeeper]

Yes it is 

WHY did they do a remake of "The Day the Earth Stood Still"?

Not enough imagination left in Hollywood these days.
Also that Jaden Smith ruined the movie for me.

[onetruekeeper]

I saw the Bushman disclosure video. The man sounded sincere but the photographs look unconvincing.

[RUSSO]

Related research commenced during the late 1950s. The Convair/Pomona division of General Dynamics initiated a project entitled Pye Wacket. Its purpose was to determine the feasibility of developing a missile-defense system based on flying discs (lenticular vehicles). Although Pye Wacket was terminated by 1961, research had shown lenticular-shaped vehicles possessed sound re-entry characteristics. Subsequently, research proceeded towards developing manned lenticular re-entry vehicles during the 1960s and '70s.

Langley lenticular bodies:

Proposed Ames M2-F1, M1-L half-cone, and Langley lenticular bodies.

Photo Number:   EC62-175
Photo Date:    12 Oct 1962

Photo Description:
Dale Reed, who inaugurated the lifting-body flight research at NASA's Flight Research Center (later, Dryden Flight Research Center, Edwards, CA), originally proposed that three wooden outer shells be built. These would then be attached to the single internal steel structure. The three shapes were (viewer's left to right) the M2-F1, the M1-L, and a lenticular shape. Milt Thompson, who supported Reed's advocacy for a lifting-body research project, recommended that only the M2-F1 shell be built, believing that the M1-L shape was "too radical," while the lenticular one was "too exotic." Although the lenticular shape was often likened to that of a flying saucer, Reed's wife Donna called it the "powder puff."

http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/Gallery/Photo/M2-F1/HTML/EC62-175.html


Source: From Runway to Orbit: Reflections of a NASA Engineer: https://books.google.com.br/books?id=8QLGRq793Y4C&printsec=frontcover&hl=pt-BR#v=onepage&q&f=false
PDF: http://history.nasa.gov/SP-4109.pdf


http://www.amazon.com/Sack-Source-Nazi-Germany-Claims-ebook/dp/B008QQYKGU

For a brief period in 1959-1964, NASA and the US Air Force actively considered launching manned flying saucers into space. Although very much in tune with UFO mania and science fiction films of the times, the concept lost out to other aerodynamic concepts.
Alan Kehlet was an aerodynamicist at NASA Langley. He played an important role in the NASA's Space Task Group New Projects Panel, which established the American space program for the 1960's. Kehlet first conceived of his lenticular manned spacecraft design in 1959. He was unsuccessful in getting the concept accepted for the Apollo program, although each bidder was asked to conduct an engineering analysis of a lenticular version of the spacecraft. Kehlet moved to North American Aviation in 1962, and the company proposed modified versions of Kehlet's vehicle for manned military and shuttle missions in the early 1960's.

Kehlet argued that a lenticular vehicle, as a manned spacecraft launched into orbit by a conventional booster, had clear advantages over ballistic, lifting body, and winged designs. At hypersonic re-entry speeds it would undergo lower heating and require less shielding. At the same time it was more maneuverable at subsonic speeds than a winged design, and could land at sea or on land without undercarriage. The symmetrical shape meant it would integrate easily into conventional booster designs, without creating excessive drag or asymmetric loads during ascent to orbit.

A saucer-shaped vehicle was inherently aerodynamically unstable and would require aerodynamic surfaces to allow controlled gliding flight. Kehlet advocated the use of deployable fins that would conform to the convex top of the saucer during most of the mission, and only be deployed when the spacecraft had slowed to below Mach 2 after reentry.

Of the Apollo bidders, Convair accepted Kehlet's design with little modification. General Electric believed it to have heating and stability problems, and proposed a modified version, a lifting body with only a whiff of the pure lenticular vehicle about it. In later North American studies, a permanently fixed square surface was mounted to the aft hemisphere of the saucer, providing aerodynamic control during re-entry as well. This increased the cross-range capability compared to the original design.

By the end of the1960's exhaustive aerodynamic tests converged on the X-33-type lifting body or the Space Shuttle-type cranked-delta winged vehicle. Lenticular concepts were not considered during the Shuttle design studies, and the opportunity to fly a real flying saucer passed into history.

http://www.astronautix.com/fam/lenicles.htm

"Lenticular concepts were not considered", I wonder...

Humm...

[A51Watcher]

Bell as a Uranium/Plutonium Breeder?

Pretty reasonable conclusion based on known facts and a quite ingenious method to create a shortcut to enriching uranium.

The down side was workers exposed to it in action didn't last long.


https://sites.google.com/site/nazibelluncovered/


Pretty scary considering the advanced level of progress achieved according to witness testimony.

[A51Watcher]

Although I do not subscribe to the Nazi UFO conspiracy, I do look at any new evidence that comes up on the matter.

Reason being is that the evidence has always been very thin and shabby.

I just recently saw a new one that does a much better job than all the rest. The quality and work is at a level that reminds me of the Russian kid that has been faking Roswell and alien interviews (skinny Bob for example) for several years now, and doing a very nice job.

Anyway I could be wrong on the whole Nazi UFO thing because it just doesn't make sense to me for several reasons and the evidence seems rather flimsy.

In case better evidence comes along I will share it.


This one is interesting for several reasons.

[robomont]

if you look at most of zorgons last pics and combine them.you get tr3b astra.
astra is the perfection.

as for nazi ufos,omg!
i absolutely believe in them,100%.
ive dove into the tech and they are the real deal.
yall reàlly should go over to tap and look up my antarctic meltdown thread.theres possibly one currently in nuke meltdown and G.O.C.E. satellite data shows its gravity signature.