Nazi UFO conspiracy

[astr0144]

Nazi UFO conspiracy...

I have just watched this on TV... and have to say it certainly does give a very good brief ALTERNATIVE suggestion to UFOs coming from Aliens..but were purely man made by the NAZIs...

Or did the Nazis get certain technology from ETs at sometime ?

As Roswell in 1947 was after WW2....from what it seemed to suggest at one point that there may have been other UFO sightings of what I think they suggest were NAZI designed Saucers...Not sure if that was also during 1947 or a bit later on !

The other question maybe ..Was the ET / Alien Craft suggestions just a cover up for amazing Human Technology ?





Zorgons Thread gives much more detail..

NAZI UFO Mythos

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=2186.0

[Ellirium113]

 

Or did the Nazis get certain technology from ETs at sometime ?

Given the time frame of development, unless ET was helping with the R&D and manufacturing it is likely not possible that it would have been engineered OR reverse engineered from ET. If you gave the Nazis a an ipod how long would it take to understand it and reverse engineer it in the 40's.  The Nazis drew upon occult sources and esoteric material from past history. The technology was more likely from these sources than directly from ET. Another thing to consider is that the designs of the AVRO disc projects matched the designs of some of these discs far too closely to be coincidence in my opinion.

[A51Watcher]

Nazi UFO conspiracy...

I have just watched this on TV... and have to say it certainly does give a very good brief ALTERNATIVE suggestion to UFOs coming from Aliens..but were purely man made by the NAZIs...

Or did the Nazis get certain technology from ETs at sometime ?

As Roswell in 1947 was after WW2....from what it seemed to suggest at one point that there may have been other UFO sightings of what I think they suggest were NAZI designed Saucers...Not sure if that was also during 1947 or a bit later on !

The other question maybe ..Was the ET / Alien Craft suggestions just a cover up for amazing Human Technology ?

This video suggests that Kenneth Arnold saw flying wing craft in 1947 (which he did not) and that a flying wing was recovered at Roswell (which was not) and that the public reported flying wings to the newspapers that year (which they did not).

Alleged German blueprints for flying saucers indicate large fans for propulsion, as did American projects Avro and Silverbug.

Large fans will not give you 15,000 mph and 90 degree corners and zig zags.

Americans would not invade their own air space in 1947 and buzz our cities and most TS military installations and endanger commercial airways corridors for the entire year.


This video is very misleading and full of more holes than swiss cheese.


Astro, if you did not spot these huge errors perpetrated by the narrator and the alleged expert interviewed, I suggest you turn off the tv for a while and absorb some real research into the subject.

[Ellirium113]

  What the heck???...MY BAD!!!  Sorry A51---I hit MODIFY instead of QUOTE. I didn't catch it before I hit save.  No UNDO button.

Dam...now I lost what I wrote too... Think it's time for bed for me. 

[A51Watcher]

What the heck???...MY BAD!!!  Sorry A51---I hit MODIFY instead of QUOTE. I didn't catch it before I hit save.  No UNDO button.

Dam...now I lost what I wrote too... Think it's time for bed for me. 

No worries E, I have managed to do that myself a few times in the past.

I managed click back a few pages and found the original post and copied it back.

[astr0144]

Hi Ellirium 113...

That would be a very interesting question !

Could they have reversed engineered a Ipod if it was given to them back in the 1940s...

I am not sure about Occult sources and what Esoteric Materials were or are and How or if they could have been used to create such things in a Saucer like craft...

I had a quick browse at that Orion video...I need to  find time to study it further and give it thought...but it looks interesting...

If you gave the Nazis a an ipod how long would it take to understand it and reverse engineer it in the 40's.  The Nazis drew upon occult sources and esoteric material from past history. The technology was more likely from these sources than directly from ET.

[astr0144]

Hi A51,

Thanks for commenting..&  reminding us or giving us the benefit of your experience and research to give any further or alternative details...against what the video may have covered or mentioned...

I am having problems focusing lately and keeping up with things...and may have slipped from being misled in somethings that I have come across..

But it maybe good that you address the video as it keeps up the belief that Non Human or E.T UFOs..
have been what was witnessed...

I need to try to take a closer look at some of the details again...

BUT I agree there was little to suggest that what the video may have shown... that those craft could do such things as 90 degree turns..


There was a few changes in the follow up posts that got me a bit confused at some points....

I think that some changes may have settled now to follow on and understand...

Large fans will not give you 15,000 mph and 90 degree corners and zig zags.

Americans would not invade their own air space in 1947 and buzz our cities and most TS military installations and endanger commercial airways corridors for the entire year.


This video is very misleading and full of more holes than swiss cheese.


Astro, if you did not spot these huge errors perpetrated by the narrator and the alleged expert interviewed, I suggest you turn off the tv for a while and absorb some real research into the subject.

[Sinny]

This video suggests that Kenneth Arnold saw flying wing craft in 1947 (which he did not)

How do you know?

and that a flying wing was recovered at Roswell (which was not)

How do you know?

and that the public reported flying wings to the newspapers that year (which they did not).

How do you know?

95% of reportings come from outside of the US, FYI.

Alleged German blueprints for flying saucers indicate large fans for propulsion, as did American projects Avro and Silverbug.

Well, we wouldn't get to see the good stuff now would we?

Americans would not invade their own air space in 1947 and buzz our cities and most TS military installations and endanger commercial airways corridors for the entire year.

True, but other governments might.

Astro, if you did not spot these huge errors perpetrated by the narrator and the alleged expert interviewed, I suggest you turn off the tv for a while and absorb some real research into the subject

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Like your research consists of 50+ year hearsay?

[A51Watcher]

This video suggests that Kenneth Arnold saw flying wing craft in 1947 (which he did not)

How do you know?

>>Because that is not what he reported.



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and that a flying wing was recovered at Roswell (which was not)


How do you know?

>>Because that is not what was reported by the people who were actually there.


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and that the public reported flying wings to the newspapers that year (which they did not).

How do you know?

>>Because that is not what they reported.

95% of reportings come from outside of the US, FYI.

>>Not in 1947 they didn't.

Americans would not invade their own air space in 1947 and buzz our cities and most TS military installations and endanger commercial airways corridors for the entire year.

True, but other governments might.

>>Yes the saucers did behave as a foreign power, but that's not what this video rubbish claims, they say it was the Americans themselves.

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Astro, if you did not spot these huge errors perpetrated by the narrator and the alleged expert interviewed, I suggest you turn off the tv for a while and absorb some real research into the subject


Like your research consists of 50+ year hearsay?

>>It's called witness testimony Sin. Unlike made up circumstances in this video, fabricated in the minds of the producers.

By your definition, your own story of a UFO sighting is mere hearsay.

If your going to create a fantasy video, at least stick to what people actually reported.

[Pimander]

Without going through my notes, from what I remember one or more (but definitely not all) of the vehicles Kenneth Arnold saw might have been a Horton wing type.  The crashed Roswell vehicle was not reported to look like a flying disk.

A51s criticism of the video is pretty fair based on the evidence we have.

None of the German designs (apart from ones that look faked) had any details of a mode of propulsion that explains the UFO wave.  In fact officially, no known propulsion even today can account for the phenomena reported in the 1940s. 

I do think some of the radar material was down to radar spoofing and some of the sightings in the 60s look like microwave mind control weapons testing (interestingly also radar related as radar is microwave).

If the Nazis had saucers then the Russians would likely have them as they acquired rocketry from the Nazis just like the Brits and Americans did.  Still no leak of a propulsion mechanism in Russia either?

[Sinny]

If the Nazis had saucers then the Russians would likely have them as they acquired rocketry from the Nazis just like the Brits and Americans did.  Still no leak of a propulsion mechanism in Russia either?

Cosmospheres...

[Sinny]

By your definition, your own story of a UFO sighting is mere hearsay.

That, I do not dispute..

I believe I am a more credible witness as I am not paid to follow orders...
And my story hasn't changed once.

In regards to Kenneth Arnold sighting, he DID describe what could have been the Horton craft.
It is not even conclusive that he described them as 'Saucers', apparenttley this description came from what he stated that got lost in translation..

[A51Watcher]

Without going through my notes, from what I remember one or more (but definitely not all) of the vehicles Kenneth Arnold saw might have been a Horton wing type.  The crashed Roswell vehicle was not reported to look like a flying disk.

I'm guessing the above was a typo and you meant to say "The crashed Roswell vehicle was not reported to look like a flying wing".

...and when you examine your notes you will find Arnold changed his original story a few weeks later of them all being flying discs to one of them being heel shaped, as photographed by Rankin, when he was informed of the sighting by AAF investigators interviewing him.

Said he had forgotten that detail until reminded by the Rankin sighting.

Here is Arnolds own drawing of the heel shaped craft as submitted to the investigators -

[A51Watcher]

I believe I am a more credible witness as I am not paid to follow orders...
And my story hasn't changed once.

And neither were the thousands of civilian witnesses reporting to the papers that year paid to follow orders, and their story has not changed either, if that is your criteria for reliable reports.

[Sinny]

and their story has not changed either

You know this because you have have traced them all down and asked them again?

Sorry A51, I am not intentionally being a pain in your ass, in a new approach that I am trying out in UFOlogy I am not allowing myself to speculate beyond known facts.