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The EPA Wants to Kill Your Grandma.

Some further disturbing globalist "Agenda 21" laws being brought in with ref to climate change as described on the Alex Jones channel . >:(

Its hard to determine if there is problems with increasing Co2 carbon dioxide out put...Yes it seems it may aid in polluting
the planet....but trees absorb Co2 and create oxygen...

If the trees and forests are being destroyed by Big Business...it  seems there are less trees..BUT increased Co2 levels are helping trees grow much faster...

so where is the balance  I wonder ? and at what rates & levels are these things happening...

severe reduction of trees, may well increase the Co2 levels to concerning levels...enough trees may help balance things out...no matter how much Co2 is being created within reason...

They say the rain forest has decreased severely ...maybe, but is it growing back  faster again  if Co2 has risen ?

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The EPA is testing dangerous cancer causing substances on the elderly and children. They are writing draconian policies to curb natural human off the grid activity in an effort to push people off their land and into compact cities. Infowars reporter Rob Dew lays out a mountain of evidence that proves the EPA is out to kill your grandma.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYVnXlyANOs

So, , , , what's new?!?!?


;D


YOU do not want to go sit around an old folks home and learn all the ways they can kill you off ! ! !   :P

Hole in the Ozone Layer!!!! We will all die!!!

Ozone layer hole is natural because Ozone is created from Oxygen when solar radiation hits the upper atmosphere.  Since no direct sun hits the upper atmosphere over the poles no Ozone is created

Kinda works like THIS

(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/fde832579e07.jpg)

So the 'scientists' studying the hole just quietly slipped out the door  8)

They are cutting down all the trees!!!! We will all die!!!

Oxygen produxtion

Approx 80% of this planet's oxygen is created by...

GREEN SLIME

(http://cdn3-www.webecoist.momtastic.com/assets/uploads/2011/07/china_algae_14a.jpg)


Pond scum. algae  what ever you want to call it :P

http://www.ecology.com/2011/09/12/important-organism/

Quote from: astr0144 on January 23, 2015, 04:20:07 AM
The EPA Wants to Kill Your Grandma.

Too late, they are already dead.

QuoteSome further disturbing globalist "Agenda 21" laws being brought in with ref to climate change as described on the Alex Jones channel . >:(

And that's why I will not watch the video. ;D

QuoteIts hard to determine if there is problems with increasing Co2 carbon dioxide out put...Yes it seems it may aid in polluting
the planet....but trees absorb Co2 and create oxygen...

I have seen many people say that, but they don't say (because of ignorance, because they don't remember or because they do not want to point to that) that that only happens during the day, during the night plants use oxygen and produce CO₂. Yes, they produce more O₂ during the day than CO₂during the night, but they do produce CO₂

QuoteIf the trees and forests are being destroyed by Big Business...it  seems there are less trees..BUT increased Co2 levels are helping trees grow much faster...

Are they really? Or that's just something someone said on the Internet?  :P

Quote from: ArMaP on January 23, 2015, 09:08:22 PM
Are they really? Or that's just something someone said on the Internet?  :P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_CgPsGY5Mw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_CgPsGY5Mw

Greetings:

A great place to toss out bait...

Full Disclosure: It appears that Wendelle Stevens (http://www.alienscalpel.com/updates/col-wendelle-c-stevens-dies-at-86) was a friend of my father. As I was raised primarily on the farm (http://newmexicohistory.org/places/shalam-colony-a-utopian-experiment-1) in Colorado, and Wing's office and primary location was in Los Angeles, I seem to have missed meeting many of Father's contemporaries.

The discerning student may be interested in the following.

The transformation in technology started early.

Evidence from the lectures of Wendelle Stevens (http://www.ufoevidence.org/researchers/detail41.htm) and others has convinced me that aliens worked with German scientists as early as 1929 to assist humans in developing anti-gravity systems.  This was done, presumably, to help us minimize the polluting aspects of fossil fuels when we started carrying passengers in airplanes.

A condition for assistance was that we would not use this technology for war.  Hitler violated the condition in 1938 when he attached an anti-tank gun turret to the bottom of a 100-foot-diameter flying saucer.

Pleiadians then removed from Germany his militarized saucers and the scientists that built them, and some of the scientists continued their work in an underground facility in the Antarctic, away from the warring nations.  Admiral Byrd and others were sent there to investigate after the WW II.

Germany continued to develop anti-gravity systems in Europe, but the only wartime use allowed was to spray benzene in the path of US bombers when we were killing tens of thousands of civilians by carpet bombing German cities with incendiary bombs. Such fuel/air explosions helped stop this horrific killing in Germany.

The US, UK, and Australia each captured anti-gravity technologies, and we brought 30 flying saucers to the White Sands Missile Range and Area 51 in 1945.

This rapidly evolving technology allowed humans to put bases on our moon and Mars by 1963.

New, non-polluting energy sources have been developed for world citizens by major corporations to support the underground and off-planet bases, but they are still restricted from the warring nations.

When all national leaders choose peace, technologies that can greatly reduce fossil fuel use will be released to the general public.

Thanks to the High-Frequency Active Auroral Research Project (HAARP), the size of the ozone hole in the northern hemisphere is being controlled while world leaders gain better control of production and handling of destructive chlorine and fluorine compounds.

Since 1997 large-scale chemical sprays are temporarily reflecting some of the sun's energy to help balance the warming effects of the increasing carbon dioxide blanket.

I think that some world leaders anticipate that the need for this program will be reduced or eliminated by a significant reduction in the population resulting from serious earth traumas occurring in 2012.

I have seen much evidence that both angels and aliens influence these important decisions...

DMW (http://www.freewebs.com/donware/)

Good one AstrO,

I think the double standard here is pretty obvious.
Lets face it, the prospects of the Feds gaining tax money from the
elderly folks is pretty slim....so they might backroom reason to
just find ways to turn a blind eye, or worse.

If one doubts this, go spend a few days with an elderly freind
or loved one in a so called "rest home".

Pureed bologne...yum.      :(

EPA...keep yo mits off my grandma!  >:(

Quote from: astr0144 on January 23, 2015, 04:20:07 AM

They say the rain forest has decreased severely ...maybe, but is it growing back  faster again  if Co2 has risen ?

What areas of Brazil and other South American nations do you see with tracts of forest being restored or filling back in? I see them continuing to clear and burn vast areas but I don't see the cleared ground left behind recovering?

It seems to me, the damage done in the clearing of rain forest by square miles at a time to support cattle and soybeans for decades at this stage, has done far more damage than nature can hope to repair within timelines we'll be around to see. When we look at the drought conditions now adding insult to injury across the region which previously did supply a % of Earth's oxygen, it just gets more depressing IMO.

Do grass and crops and other vegetation associated with farming not also produce oxygen? Is there any study that shows the Earth has less oxygen than it did before the industrial revolution?

Did you know that CARS and other ozone emitters are a great source of oxygen?

Ozone released from such fossil fuel sources breaks down to oxygen relatively quickly  For those who don't know OZONE is OXYGEN     Oxygen is O  but because of its molecular structure it like company so we get O₂  which is what we Oxygen Eaters breath.  Ozone is O₃  It is created when UV light hits the Oxygen, excites it and makes a threesome.

But as the energy decipitates, the threesome breaks up to O₂ again, Oxygen's preferred state

Since Algae produces the planets largest portion of oxygen (80%ish)  I would want to see a study to see how much LESS O₂ the planet has because of rain forest removal before hitting the panik button

The drought conditions are another issue entirely

One BIG reason is that the surface water is disappearing under ground...  As it does that the surface evaporation which produces weather (thus rain and snow fall) is changing. If less and less water evaporate, there will be less to fall back as rain

Geoengineering is TRYING to compensate that... but we all know what the public thinks about that LOL

QuoteThanks to the High-Frequency Active Auroral Research Project (HAARP), the size of the ozone hole in the northern hemisphere is being controlled while world leaders gain better control of production and handling of destructive chlorine and fluorine compounds.

Since 1997 large-scale chemical sprays are temporarily reflecting some of the sun's energy to help balance the warming effects of the increasing carbon dioxide blanket.

What about the hole at the south pole? who is controlling that one?

The concern with the fluorocarbons was that it broke up the oxone faster than it was created... That turned out to be bad scince :P But I am all for ANYTHING even scare tactics to stop pollution

But this is why the ozone scare pretty much went silent... when they discovered the holes were natural D:

And since ozone is heavier than oxygen it ALL falls down and needs constant replenishing

The funny part is if you block the sun shine  less UV gets through to make ozone   :P

Irony eh?

::)

no need to worry.. the ice is melting faster and faster.         .it's not us


it's only evil-lu tion..........bwhahahahahah...

..it's only been seen for a few years..lets study it some more..yeh do another study
gurgle gurlge



An Arctic ice cap's shockingly rapid slide into the sea

years, scientists have documented the rapid retreat of Arctic ice, from melting glaciers in Greenland to shrinking snow cover in far northern Eurasia. Now researchers have discovered one Arctic ice cap that appears to be literally sliding into the sea.

Ice is disappearing at a truly astonishing rate in Austfonna, an expanse of frozen rock far north of the Arctic Circle in Norway's Svalbard island chain. Just since 2012, the ice cap covering the island has thinned by a whopping 160 feet, according to an analysis of satellite measurements by a team led by researchers at Britain's University of Leeds.

Put another way, the ice cap's vertical expanse dropped in two years by a distance equivalent to the height of a 16-story building. As another comparison, consider that scientists were recently alarmed to discover that one of Western Antarctica's ice sheets was losing vertical height at a rate of 30 feet a year.

"It is a very large signal," said Mal McMillan, a geophysicist and one of two researchers at Leeds'  Center for Polar Observation and Modelling who worked on the study. "The ice cap has slumped out into the ocean with a substantial loss of ice."

McMillan and colleague Andrew Shepherd analyzed changes in Austfonna's ice using data from satellites that measure, among other things, changes in elevation. They found that the gradual melting of the island's 1,550-cubic-mile ice cap recently shifted into overdrive, for reasons that aren't fully understood.  Small ice caps like the one over Austfonna are believed to be more vulnerable to climate change-related thawing because relatively more surface area is exposed to the air and sea.

In this case, the ice cap lost one-sixth of its original thickness in two years, and the flow of ice from the summit to the sea accelerated by 25 fold, to a rate of several kilometers a year, a fast clip by glacier standards, the study found.

"What we see here is unusual because it ...  appears to have started when ice began to thin and accelerate at the coast," Shepherd said.

The research, published in the journal Geophysical Research Letters, illustrates how quickly ice caps can evolve, highlighting the challenges associated with predicting future impact of climate change, the scientists said. Arctic experts are closely watching changes in polar ice because of the potentially profound implications for sea-level rise. About a third of the increase in sea level in recent decades is attributed to melting glaciers and ice sheets, and researchers worry that more rapid melting could eventually swamp coastal cities around the world.

Still, researchers say, it's too early to say definitively if the shrinking of the Austfonna ice cap is due to global warming. Ice caps can shift suddenly for reasons that have nothing to do with climate, McMillan said. But in this case the list of possible culprits would certainly include warmer ocean water and air temperatures, both of which have risen more rapidly in the Arctic compared to the rest of the planet, he said.

"We've only seen this for a couple of years," he said he said of the Austfonna meltdown, "so we really need to monitor it further."

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/an-arctic-ice-cap%e2%80%99s-shockingly-rapid-slide-into-the-sea/ar-AA8wgqG


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGckfBq7wiQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGckfBq7wiQ

Glacier surge: Austfonna, Svalbard (satellite image timelapse) 


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Norwegian Polar Institute researchers Jack Kohler, Geir Moholdt and Max König, and Thorben Dunse from the University of Oslo, have created this animation of Austfonna. Read more about the Basin-3 surge in the article "Destabilisation of an Arctic ice cap triggered by a hydro-thermodynamic feedback to

Quote from: space otter on January 24, 2015, 10:48:38 PM
no need to worry.. the ice is melting faster and faster.         .it's not us

Repeat after me  "Global Warming is a hoax!"  :P

QuoteAn Arctic ice cap's shockingly rapid slide into the sea

Repeat after me  "Global Warming is a hoax!"  :P

Quoteyears, scientists have documented the rapid retreat of Arctic ice, from melting glaciers in Greenland to shrinking snow cover in far northern Eurasia. Now researchers have discovered one Arctic ice cap that appears to be literally sliding into the sea.

Repeat after me  "Global Warming is a hoax!"  :P

QuoteIce is disappearing at a truly astonishing rate in Austfonna, an expanse of frozen rock far north of the Arctic Circle in Norway's Svalbard island chain. Just since 2012, the ice cap covering the island has thinned by a whopping 160 feet, according to an analysis of satellite measurements by a team led by researchers at Britain's University of Leeds.

Repeat after me .... yeah you got it now... :P

global warming may be a hoax  but global change is not..
the earth is in constant  adjustment...
melting ice is only a tiny part
and just because someone is  calling it global warming doesn't mean
that the ice isn't melting

you can't get this stuff all confused


things are in a constant state of motion/ evolution/ change..

it isn't that it is bad

it just is

Quote from: space otter on January 25, 2015, 01:17:53 AM
global warming may be a hoax  but global change is not..

LOL that was sarcasm :P Global warming is real enough  what is false is that mankind or cow farts cause it :D

Quoteit isn't that it is bad

it just is

Depends on where you live when the ice creeps back down. Global warming melts ice, decreases the salinity of the oceans which triggers mega storms which trigger the next ice age :D


Ice Core samples like tree rings neither lie nor have a political agenda
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47brotherthebig/04images/Antarctica/415k-year-temp-graph.jpg)

Quote from: zorgon on January 25, 2015, 06:59:50 AM
Global warming is real enough  what is false is that mankind or cow farts cause it :D

(http://cdn.gosunstove.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/sun.jpg)

that was sarcasm


ohhhhh..I missed that....I thought we were just hung up on labels



Depends on where you live when the ice creeps back down


well if you haven't got a good spot yet.. you're running late to find  one

::)

Oh no... that was not sarcasm.

I really do think the sun may be the cause. Its MY opinion.

QuoteMarch 12, 2007 03:27am ET

yes i know... its from 2007... but hey... time is relative does not it?

Quote"Man-made greenhouse warming has [made a] small contribution [to] the warming on Earth in recent years, but [it] cannot compete with the increase in solar irradiance," Abdussamatov told LiveScience in an email interview last week. "The considerable heating and cooling on the Earth and on Mars always will be practically parallel."

QuoteEarth is heating up lately, but so are Mars, Pluto and other worlds in our solar system, leading some scientists to speculate that a change in the sun's activity is the common thread linking all these baking events.

Others argue that such claims are misleading and create the false impression that rapid global warming, as Earth is experiencing, is a natural phenomenon.

While evidence suggests fluctuations in solar activity can affect climate on Earth, and that it has done so in the past, the majority of climate scientists and astrophysicists agree that the sun is not to blame for the current and historically sudden uptick in global temperatures on Earth, which seems to be mostly a mess created by our own species.

http://www.livescience.com/1349-sun-blamed-warming-earth-worlds.html (http://www.livescience.com/1349-sun-blamed-warming-earth-worlds.html)

You will find other kinds of opinion about the issue in the same link i posted. I just disagree. :)

Again i respect your opinion about it... Maybe its not the sun... maybe its cows, my car or me.

yeah.. all the planets are doing it

like I said    evil lu tion


bwhahahahahahahaha

Quote from: space otter on January 25, 2015, 06:04:05 PM
like I said    evil lu tion

Want some evil lu tion?

Prof at U of T did studies found that Black Man is decended from Apes... has the proof  they both have an extra Vertabrae...

Hmmm  welll he published... got in hot water for such a politcally wrong comment and was kicked out of the University


Well the Prof called the Lawyers  Lawyers showed he had the proof of his claims, Univ. had to hire him back

It was in all the papers back then but shortly after it went silent. Toronto news was good for that LOL  Suicides in the subway are never reported either... might give people an idea :D

So Blacks are from apes, whites are from aliens, Chinese? Not sure yet :P

::)

IF evil lu tion  is true... then it follows that evil lu tion is STILL GOING ON  If it isn't then evil lu tion is a lie

IF evil lu tion is true  why are there still monkeys?

IF evil lu tion is true  how did Neanderthal and Cro Magnan both appear at aboyt the same time?

And what about OTZI?


I want to KNOW  :P

sometimes  a typo will make my day....this one did


got in hot water for such a politcally wrong comment and was licked out of the University



wonder if the hot water was salty

bwhahahahahahahahahahaha 8)    ;)    ;D   





ok here's my take on evil lu tion.... it's just another word for C H A N G E

and in our current world.. it just may equate to chump change

Apologies for not responding in any details yet  to what seem some interesting comments ...Hope to try and do so when I find the right time to read them in more detail and give it some concentrated thought..rather than just reply too briefly .
Some comments may be answers to some things that I tried to indicate where I could not conclude the details or data that the video tried to suggest...

I did partly happen to watch another Jessie Ventura "Conspiracy Theory " program over the weekend which coincidentally was on Global Warming..Some of the things he covered may have made the viewers consider some of the views that I think he was leaning towards..which somethings could be correct...

Then as I was looking for a youtube video of the program to post..I could not find a copy of the full version...but I came across
these two videos that someone has analysed and made their thoughts on the things that the Program showed...

So this may offer some other thoughts to compare that maybe some viewers would not have either known about or not considered.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqBBlws3M8Y

REBUTTAL to Jesse Ventura's DISINFORMATIVE Conspiracy Theory Documentary.
I used to like Jesse Ventura, but now he's just become an utter douchebag. I can't take anyone seriously that doesn't do honest investigative research. It's what scientists do, try to be unbiased and objective. He clearly sets out with an idea he wants to be true, and picks and chooses those that will tell him what he wants to hear so he can be validated. This is so unethical in the science world, it's just deceitful and wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=441f4oMMQbE

Climate Change NOT a Hoax.
This video clearly points out the common, deceitful myths that Deniers often use.
 

Thanks again for the responses and comments made..

I have to ask Thor about his post...certainly very thought provoking...and has ref to many things discussed on PRC in the past....But I did not know his father had connections with Wendelle Stevens...

Have you mentioned about this before in any threads...
If Not I suspect some members would be interested in maybe knowing a bit more about what your father did and what things that he may have been involved in or any things that you think he may have known with ref to Wendelle Stevens and the UFO / ET connection if he had any connection to it back then.

QuoteFull Disclosure: It appears that Wendelle Stevens was a friend of my father. As I was raised primarily on the farm in Colorado, and Wing's office and primary location was in Los Angeles, I seem to have missed meeting many of Father's contemporaries.

Quote from: astr0144 on January 26, 2015, 07:11:01 AM
I have to ask Thor about his post...certainly very thought provoking...and has ref to many things discussed on PRC in the past....But I did not know his father had connections with Wendelle Stevens...

Greetings:

Thank you for your time and consideration, astro0144.

Wendelle Stevens was a big fan of Oahspe (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QwJWsz09s4), which my father published until his passing to spirit, and RAP (Ray Palmer) became involved in carrying on the publishing with the 'green edition.'

QuoteWing Anderson purchased the 1881 "second edition" (third version) plates from Dr. Newbrough's daughter about 1930, and it was from these that he published the "blue cover" editions of Oahspe (no longer in print). The 1891 Oahspe is still available in the English edition, in a smaller, handy size.

After a fifteen year search to find a copy of it, in 1960 Ray Palmer reprinted the 1882 Oahspe, which made this oldest edition available for the first time since the 1880's. Marjorie Palmer's Amherst Press continues to publish this Oahspe, which is the current American "green cover" edition.

For those not familiar with Ray Palmer:

QuoteRaymond A. Palmer (RAP for short) was a true pioneer, one of the most important individuals in the field of eso-terica and arcane knowledge of the last 100 years. He was the editor of Amazing Stories, a futuristic sci fi magazine published in the mid 1940s which presented the fantastic stories of Richard Shaver and his subterranean worlds. Palmer was also one of the founders of FATE magazine (http://www.fatemag.com) and later started his own publishing empire with such titles as Mystic, Search, Forum and Space World.

He also issued reprints of hard to find works. For a while he possessed the only copy of a first edition of OAHSPE and issued 2000 copies in a private edition even at a financial loss just to get the word out about this amazing book which was one of his all time favorites.

Said Palmer about OAHSPE: OAHSPE cannot be attacked as an expurgated and perverted book and summarily dismissed. In the light of present day science, the Book of Cosmology alone is evidence of a superior fore-knowledge that stands as a sturdy sentinel over the doctrinal portions. And in the light of present day anthropology and archaeology, its historical portions stand as remarkable evidence of that same superior fore-knowledge. OAHSPE is truly a gateway to understanding.

This in addition to the fact that Ray Palmer charged us with great enthusiasm in our earliest work and provided our first forums by way of columns in both Search and Flying Saucers magazine.

BTW, we learned to set cold type way back when on the farm and became quite proficient on the AddressoGraph.   :P

QuoteHave you mentioned about this before in any threads...

Not really. I may have dropped a couple of hints and links to Oahspe (http://oahspestandardedition.com), but you are the first one to take any notice here.

QuoteIf Not I suspect some members would be interested in maybe knowing a bit more about what your father did and what things that he may have been involved in or any things that you think he may have known with ref to Wendelle Stevens and the UFO / ET connection if he had any connection to it back then.

Thank you for that positive thought, but that may be doubtful, considering the 'interest' shown here at the Holiday Season.    :(   We were sharing the Anonymous message of Brotherly Love and Hope during the Christmas Holi-Days - our attempt to help those less fortunate among us... and thought this was a no-brainer, figuring the aware peeps at Pegasus would embrace the chance to do good...fat chance at that.    :o

However, those members bothering to 'participate' attacked me, the messenger - and ALL refused to respond to the issue at hand - helping our brothers and sisters - and needlessly delighted in attacking yours truly because of their idea that a few morons that they do not agree with represent Anonymous as a whole.      :'(

Again, for the record, We align ourselves with positive operatives and operations within Anonymous, and those are easily identified within our posts... we're not selling anything, merely trying to help (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=7616.0).

However, as a more direct answer to your question, there is in the works an interesting abduction story (and book in the making), interviewed first-hand, involving another of Father's acquaintances, Jim Valesques (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvNcRi39fGk), and the Giant Rock UFO (http://www.lucernevalley.net/giantrock/).



In fact, we will initiate a thread forthwith so as not to derail this fine epistle.    ;)

Hi Thor,

Since our prior posts, I got a bit distracted with a few personal things as well as looking into the last few days update on A51s & 1967 Saunders Bob Lazar /  UFO updates..

I have now started to look in more detail into your replies in relation to the two threads that I started that seem to have some coincidental connections ..and on by behalf that was just chance...I had not actually read some of the posts in enough detail to connect them...but now having took time to look at them again...I am a bit surprised how they link together ..but also with ref to your replies to them.

This is the other thread that relates to some of the things that you replied to on this thread..

A Time Machine in the Mojave Desert

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=7908.msg110057#msg110057


Upon rereading this reply by you on this thread..

I so far have found some of your writings very interesting and thought provoking..

I am aware of various parts to the description with ref to your father and his connections..and about  Wendelle Stevens description about ETs working with German Scientists since 1929..

I thought that description does seem to match a lot of the various things that we had researched on PRC and MAY tie much of it together as a possible full explanation.....

I note some of your other references as well..Oahspe which seems like another view on ones view on life and respect your views and desire to help the Homeless etc..

Some may not understand how some people end up that way, but there are many who can do so for numerous reasons and it could happen to any of us..

If any of us were to fall ill or loose our mental capacity..we would have little ability to control our own destiny..

I am still only part way through looking into this so far...and hope to continue with my research on it...

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=7789.msg108942#msg108942

QuoteFull Disclosure: It appears that Wendelle Stevens was a friend of my father. As I was raised primarily on the farm in Colorado, and Wing's office and primary location was in Los Angeles, I seem to have missed meeting many of Father's contemporaries.

The discerning student may be interested in the following.

The transformation in technology started early.

Evidence from the lectures of Wendelle Stevens and others has convinced me that aliens worked with German scientists as early as 1929 to assist humans in developing anti-gravity systems.  This was done, presumably, to help us minimize the polluting aspects of fossil fuels when we started carrying passengers in airplanes.

I am not sure if I should continue my comments in this thread or the time travel related one..for my future related posts..Will think about it hopefully in my next replies...

Astro/Thor

Do you know who Shaver was (RE: Ray Palmer)?

Not until I found this on a google search..


Richard Sharpe Shaver was a controversial UFO storyteller promoted by Ray Palmer

http://science.howstuffworks.com/space/aliens-ufos/richard-sharpe-shaver.htm

Quote from: Pimander on February 26, 2015, 06:38:43 PM
Astro/Thor

Do you know who Shaver was (RE: Ray Palmer)?

I think some other things that we were discussing either on this or another thread have been moved to another thread that Zorgon did create and at one point that I could see...Now that also seems to have disappeared....Hopefully its just something that he is amending or has amended and we will find it again soon...

Oh, I just found the thread that "Z" created that  did have  posts that were either on this or my other similar thread...

Aldebaran Mystery 2 - Nazi Ufo Secrets Discussion

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=7946.0

http://www.philipcoppens.com/maury_isle.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Crisman

http://science.howstuffworks.com/space/aliens-ufos/george-adamski.htm

http://science.howstuffworks.com/space/aliens-ufos/howard-menger.htm

Greetings:

One does realize who the writers are at "How Stuff Works," right?   :P

Pimander, thank you for posting that sanitized list from "HSW"... this one is the whole enchilada.   :P



In recent years new and even wilder strains of paranoia have sprouted along ufology's fringes.

Inspiration comes not just from UFO rumors but from conspiracy theories associated with the far right end of the political spectrum. The two major figures in what has been called the "dark side movement" are John Lear, a pilot who once flew aircraft for a CIA-linked company, and Milton William Cooper, a retired Navy petty officer.

According to dark siders, a ruthless "secret government" controls the world. Among other nefarious activities, it runs the international drug trade and has unleashed AIDS and other deadly diseases as population-reducing measures. Its ultimate goal is to turn the Earth and surrounding planets into slave-labor camps. For some time this secret government has been in contact with alien races, allowing the aliens to abduct human beings in exchange for advanced alien technology.

The aliens, known as the "grays" (because of their gray skin color), do more than abduct human beings. They mutilate and eat them as well, using the body parts to rejuvenate themselves.

The secret government and the aliens labor together in vast underground bases in New Mexico and Nevada, where they collect human and animal organs, drop them into a chemical soup, and manufacture soulless android creatures.

These androids, who are then unleashed to do dirty work for the government/alien conspiracy, are best known to the rest of us as the men in black.With each retelling, with the appearance of each new and expensive book, video, or tape, the dark-side story gets crazier.

In one version the conspirators travel into the future to observe the emergence of the anti-Christ in the 1990s, World War III in 1999, and the Second Coming of Christ in 2011. George Bush oversees the world's drug traffic.

The secret government has maintained bases on Mars since the early 1960s. The conspirators employ drugs and hypnosis to turn mentally unstable individuals into mass murderers of schoolchildren and other innocents; the purpose is to spur anti-gun sentiment, resulting in gun-control legislation.

Thus, Americans will be disarmed and defenseless when the secret government's storm troopers round them up and herd them into concentration camps.

A small army of fervent believers all around the world has embraced these monstrous yarns, for which-no rational reader will be surprised to learn-not a shred of supporting evidence exists. The true sources of these lurid tales are not hard to find: They are a hodgepodge of elements patched together from saucer folklore, extremist political literature, and a 1977 British mock-documentary, Alternative 3.

The purpose of this show was to satirize popular credulity and paranoia. Unfortunately, some remain convinced the show was sober fact, ironically serving only to give rise to fresh varieties of mass gullibility and fear.


Still want to use them as your 'debunking' source?    :o

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Quote from: thorfourwinds on February 28, 2015, 12:54:21 AM

Still want to use them as your 'debunking' source?

I hope you aren't trying to say Adamski and Menger were not hoaxers.  NOW THAT WOULD BE FUNNY!  ;D ::)

When I do my own research I don't rely on any one source - not even John Lear. :P


ETA: Astro, I have a LOT MORE if you really still haven't realised.  There are UFOs but you find compelling evidence of ETs on Earth then let me know.

Not really sure what the links you posted are referring to that we have not seen similar egs before where there are numerous suggestions that refer to hoaxs or made up stories. or Govt agendas to use the UFO/ET suggestions for whatever their agendas may be..be it mind control or coverups or to suggest to other countries that they have Superior ET technology..I think PRC has covered all that so far more or less.

Being a part conspiracy site that we are on..

we see suggestions from the extreme as Thor just posted from what I think is something John Lear may have suggested...to Just maybe believing that ET craft being here, such as Bob Lazar story..

Unless ETs are kidnapping humans or dead humans are being supplied to ETs as we die...I do not see any other evidence to support John Lear's extreme theory as yet.

If ETs are here chances are they will not easily wish to become known or aware of to us unless they decided to openly attack us...or if they did have an agenda with the Govt's to be known. So unless we were to come across something like a crashed UFO,be abducted or work at somewhere like Area 51,  Im doubtful there would be much chance to see any real evidence of ETs unless we are already looking at them  as we look in the Mirror or face each other as Matrix may suggest..(Part ETs I think he indicated we may be).

QuoteETA: Astro, I have a LOT MORE if you really still haven't realised.  There are UFOs but you find compelling evidence of ETs on Earth then let me know.

It's ALL a HOAX :P There are no Aliens, there are no Flying Saucers there is only ALLAH

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