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Title: Anomalies of the Mars Santa Maria (Crater)
Post by: rdunk on February 04, 2015, 05:04:18 AM
Santa Maria (crater)

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Santa Maria Panorama taken by MER-B
Panorama taken by Opportunity Rover on December 18th, 2010
Planet   Mars
Region   Meridiani Planum
Coordinates   2.172°S 5.445°WCoordinates: 2.172°S 5.445°W
Diameter   90 meters (295 feet)
Discoverer   Opportunity rover

Santa Maria is an impact crater located at 2.172°S, 5.445°W within the Meridiani Planum extraterrestrial plain, lying situated within the Margaritifer Sinus quadrangle (MC-19) region of the planet Mars. This geological feature was first visited by the Mars Exploration Rover Opportunity. It sits north west of the much larger Endeavour crater. The crater measures about 80-90 meters across.

Using a little different approach for my posting of Mars anomalies, I am first posting pics of the Santa Maria Crater for you. While this crater is not significantly large, there is an area of it that has much to see that really gives question to what in the heck is going on/has gone on here. So, for any interested I am posting two of the primary rover photos that details the areas of most interest to me right now. I actually discovered what I see here in 2013, but just haven't made a post before now to detail the various anomalies to be seen here - and I do believe there is much more anomalous still to be found here.

Here are the photos - the photos are taken at some distance, and thus to see anything one needs to magnify significantly. After I get this OP set-up, I will then first post an anomaly that I did not see "at first". An interesting anomaly for Mars! :) At any time, if any of you see something anomalous here at the Santa Maria crater, then post it to this OP for the rest of us to see too!

After see the photos posted, one who wishes to do serious "looking" can likely better do that by following the "links to the actual photos".

I will simply say - yes, "to me" there are serious indications/evidence here of possible humanoid/alien life. :)

I am interested to see how these photos come out, as this is the first time I have posted photos using a direct website link, that is not from a basic photo site. :)

http://mars.nasa.gov/mer/gallery/all/1/p/2453/1P345956255EFFB0J3P2298R2M1.JPG
(http://mars.nasa.gov/mer/gallery/all/1/p/2453/1P345956255EFFB0J3P2298R2M1.JPG)

http://mars.nasa.gov/mer/gallery/all/1/p/2453/1P345956516EFFB0J3P2298R2M4.JPG
(http://mars.nasa.gov/mer/gallery/all/1/p/2453/1P345956516EFFB0J3P2298R2M4.JPG)
Title: Re: Anomalies of the Mars Santa Maria (Crater)
Post by: Lunica on February 04, 2015, 12:30:24 PM
Is this in the area where the lately egyptian face  sculpture was found?
Title: Re: Anomalies of the Mars Santa Maria (Crater)
Post by: rdunk on February 04, 2015, 03:52:16 PM
Quote from: Lunica on February 04, 2015, 12:30:24 PM
Is this in the area where the lately egyptian face  sculpture was found?

No, not that I am aware of. The well known "Egyptian Statue" stands on a cape in the Victoria crater, but I do not recall such face being mentioned at Santa Maria crater. As a matter of fact, there has been little mention before of this crater, relative to anomalies that I have seen! :)
Title: Re: Anomalies of the Mars Santa Maria (Crater)
Post by: rdunk on February 04, 2015, 05:24:59 PM
This first Santa Maria anomaly I am posting is one that I nearly didn't even see, even though it is pretty clearly seeable. I just wasn't looking for anything like that! But when I finally did see it,  WOW!!! I hope you can see it too! I have noted it with a ring to make it easy to find - "The Cross of Santa Maria". Yes, this really is on the Planet Mars.......

By the way, to me, much of this area appears to be "obfuscated", with all of the seeable "mossy looking stuff" that covers so much of the rocks and general area stuff!! There are numerous anomalous things to see here, which any of us can post here as we see them!!!

I will look forward to all comments!!

Click on the pic for larger!!

(http://s24.postimg.org/hjdj3kk1x/The_Cross_of_Santa_Maria_W_Ring_Screen_shot_2.jpg)
Title: Re: Anomalies of the Mars Santa Maria (Crater)
Post by: ArMaP on February 04, 2015, 09:16:51 PM
Doesn't look like a cross to me. :)

(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r66/armap/vt54d28bd4.gif)

(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r66/armap/gy54d28bd4.gif)

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/SantaMaria3.png)
Title: Re: Anomalies of the Mars Santa Maria (Crater)
Post by: rdunk on February 05, 2015, 02:57:00 AM
Quote from: ArMaP on February 04, 2015, 09:16:51 PM
Doesn't look like a cross to me. :)


And ArMaP, if you had said otherwise.......I would have been very surprised. I would assume you might know a cross when you see one........?? :) ††††††††† How can you not see it ??? ??? ???

The cross is inside the yellow oval, and is on top of the vertical raised flat-topped "rock" looking feature in the posted pics, mine and yours. But, making the pics "shake" changes nothing for what is to be seen. If the ground does not actually shake, then shaking pics tend to take away the reality of photos - like trying to make a video out of still shots, as cartoons were done originally!

Is it a "true cross"- who knows?? For sure there is a cross shaped feature to be see here, and it is on a raised place in the area! And since it is here, who put it here??
Title: Re: Anomalies of the Mars Santa Maria (Crater)
Post by: Pimander on February 05, 2015, 03:19:04 AM
Maybe the Martians have God's who sacrifice their children of crosses?   :o
Title: Re: Anomalies of the Mars Santa Maria (Crater)
Post by: rdunk on February 05, 2015, 03:29:38 AM
Quote from: Pimander on February 05, 2015, 03:19:04 AM
Maybe the Martians have God's who sacrifice their children of crosses?   :o

Possible I suppose - :)

Or, somehow, something of Earth has made its way to Mars, by earth man or by alien. Of course, once man is off-Earth, he becomes an alien too, just like all of the other aliens!!

Pi, is there any reason you can think of as to why rocks on Mars would even have a fuzzy look? Not supposed to be anything on Mars that would "grow carpet looking fuzz", is there?? Obfuscation?? Why??
Title: Re: Anomalies of the Mars Santa Maria (Crater)
Post by: Pimander on February 05, 2015, 03:40:10 AM
Quote from: rdunk on February 05, 2015, 03:29:38 AM
Pi, is there any reason you can think of as to why rocks on Mars would even have a fuzzy look? Not supposed to be anything on Mars that would "grow carpet looking fuzz", is there?? Obfuscation?? Why??
I'm not sure what you mean by "fuzz".

Don't forget scale is important when looking at these images.  At a distance, large rocks can look like they are fuzzy when really a pixel from the image is half a metre.  I'm not sure whether I explained that well.
Title: Re: Anomalies of the Mars Santa Maria (Crater)
Post by: ArMaP on February 05, 2015, 10:41:44 AM
Quote from: rdunk on February 05, 2015, 02:57:00 AM
And ArMaP, if you had said otherwise.......I would have been very surprised. I would assume you might know a cross when you see one........?? :) ††††††††† How can you not see it ??? ??? ???
I live in a Catholic country, I know how a cross looks. ;D

QuoteThe cross is inside the yellow oval, and is on top of the vertical raised flat-topped "rock" looking feature in the posted pics, mine and yours.
I know where you see the cross, I just don't see it.

QuoteBut, making the pics "shake" changes nothing for what is to be seen. If the ground does not actually shake, then shaking pics tend to take away the reality of photos - like trying to make a video out of still shots, as cartoons were done originally!
The image is not "shaking", that small animation is made with two photos, one from the left panoramic camera and the other from the right, to try to create a 3D view, like in the direct view version and the anaglyph below the animation.

QuoteIs it a "true cross"- who knows?? For sure there is a cross shaped feature to be see here, and it is on a raised place in the area! And since it is here, who put it here??
As I don't think it's there I don't see any reason to ask "who put it here??".
Title: Re: Anomalies of the Mars Santa Maria (Crater)
Post by: rdunk on February 05, 2015, 04:27:06 PM
ArMaP said, "As I don't think it's there I don't see any reason to ask "who put it here??".

Are you saying you see nothing on top of the flat-topped rock in the yellow oval? If you are, then you might need new glasses!! :)) there is an easily seeable white cross feature there, in my opinion. OI know you "don't think" one is there, but then, what we think changes nothing!! ††
Title: Re: Anomalies of the Mars Santa Maria (Crater)
Post by: ArMaP on February 05, 2015, 09:08:10 PM
Quote from: rdunk on February 05, 2015, 04:27:06 PM
ArMaP said, "As I don't think it's there I don't see any reason to ask "who put it here??".

Are you saying you see nothing on top of the flat-topped rock in the yellow oval?
I only see things behind the flat-topped rock, nothing on top of it.

QuoteIf you are, then you might need new glasses!! :))
I know I need new glasses, but I don't want to spend money on them yet. :)

QuoteOI know you "don't think" one is there, but then, what we think changes nothing!! ††
True, but what I think changes my actions. ;)
Title: Re: Anomalies of the Mars Santa Maria (Crater)
Post by: rdunk on February 13, 2015, 10:16:42 PM
Anomaly - "THE WHEELS OF SANTA MARIA CRATER"

These look-like mechanical wheels are prominent and visible. They are partially obscured by the "fuzzy stuff" I mentioned in an earlier reply. The wheels are standing vertically, so we can assume they are possibly on some sort of horizontal drive  shafts. I have noted the wheels on image with arrow locators. These are "just across the street" from the "cross anomaly" noted in a prior post above.

I will look forward to your comments, as I prepare other anomalies in this crater for posting. 

Click on the pics for better view!! For a more clear view of the "wheels", I am posting another pic without the arrow locators for you.

(http://s2.postimg.org/dsml3n45l/The_Wheels_of_Santa_Maria_W_Arrows_Screen_shot.jpg)

(http://s15.postimg.org/8v8t8dowr/The_Cross_of_Santa_Maria_Screen_shot_2013_10_3.jpg)
Title: Re: Anomalies of the Mars Santa Maria (Crater)
Post by: rdunk on February 14, 2015, 10:48:49 PM
Santa Maria Crater, more anomalies - WHAT ARE THESE/WHY ARE THEY HERE??

I am posting 2 specific similar anomaly items in the same general area. These 2 anomalies are white looking rectangular box shaped pieces. These anomalies both have similar darker panels on the sides facing the camera. One of the boxes is above the general surface, and seems to be attached to the outside of whatever type of "structure" that is. The other one is sitting behind that same "structure".

From a "looks-like" standpoint, they have the appearance somewhat like the old window water cooler fans. Not sayig that is what they are, but just to describe how I see the shapes.

Link to Original: http://mars.nasa.gov/mer/gallery/all/1/p/2453/1P345956516EFFB0J3P2298R2M4.JPG

(http://s21.postimg.org/pflu2fmcn/White_Box_Anomalies_Screen_shot_2013_10_30_at.jpg)
Title: Re: Anomalies of the Mars Santa Maria (Crater)
Post by: ArMaP on February 15, 2015, 12:19:05 AM
Quote from: rdunk on February 14, 2015, 10:48:49 PM
From a "looks-like" standpoint, they have the appearance somewhat like the old window water cooler fans.
I don't have the slightest idea of what an "old window water cooler fan" looks like.  ???
Title: Re: Anomalies of the Mars Santa Maria (Crater)
Post by: rdunk on February 15, 2015, 01:33:57 AM
Quote from: ArMaP on February 15, 2015, 12:19:05 AM
I don't have the slightest idea of what an "old window water cooler fan" looks like.  ???

Well ArMaP, I just should not assume.........they are actually sometimes referred to as "swamp coolers"! However, "Evaporative Water Cooler" is a more appropriate description. They were the forerunner to freon type air-conditioning, and are still very useful in low humidity environments for cooling enclosed living and work areas. Here are two pics - one with cooler installled in a window, and the other just a simple full pic of a cooler. These are also installed on roof-tops in some places.

If you can see the rectangular white boxes in this anomaly post, then I think you will see why my comparison to these types of coolers. :)


(http://s3.postimg.org/52l200pkz/Screen_Shot_2015_02_14_at_7_16_25_PM.png)


(http://s28.postimg.org/lez5w89ul/Screen_Shot_2015_02_14_at_7_13_51_PM.png)
Title: Re: Anomalies of the Mars Santa Maria (Crater)
Post by: ArMaP on February 15, 2015, 04:54:41 PM
Thanks, now I know what you mean. :)

And although I see the one on the right (but think it's just part of the rock, as you probably expected), I don't see the one on the left.

A long PS: On my previous posts I forgot to look for the images on the Opportunity Analyst's Notebook (https://an.rsl.wustl.edu/merb/merxbrowser/br2.aspx?tab=solsumm) site, so now I went to the site, downloaded the radiometrically corrected IMG files and converted them to PNG (with IMG2PNG and small program I made and a value of 20 for the radiometric correction), and this is what I got. :)

The image you posted
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/1p345956516radb0j3p2298r2c1.png)

The same image, but from the left camera
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/1p345956516radb0j3p2298l2c1.png)

From the left camera, but with the green filter
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/1p345956609radb0j3p2298l5c1.png)

From the left camera, with the violet filter
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/1p345956682radb0j3p2298l7c1.png)

As I had three images from three different channels I made a colour version, although I prefer to use photos from filter 6 (blue) instead of 7 (violet), but this was what I got.

Without any adjustments
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r66/armap/1p345956516radb0j3p2298l2l5l7c11.png)

With automatic level adjustments made in Gimp
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r66/armap/1p345956516radb0j3p2298l2l5l7c13.png)
Title: Re: Anomalies of the Mars Santa Maria (Crater)
Post by: rdunk on February 15, 2015, 10:14:59 PM
ArMaP said, "And although I see the one on the right (but think it's just part of the rock, as you probably expected), I don't see the one on the left".

:) You are right about the "expected", but I did expect you to "see" them both, because they are just there to see.

About the "just part of the rock" you mentioned - That "rock" has some peculiar features, for it to be "just a rock"! First, the shaped white box that is obviously attached to that structure is very unusual. Secondly, the raised opening with horizontal line top and vertical sides in the front lower part of that "rock" is very unusual for "just a rock"! Rather it is more like an entry-way. Notice there is some type of lighter color material covering the floor of that entry-way, and one can see the shadow striking it on & into/under the  entry-way opening. We simply cannot disregard the look of an opening/entry-way here, especially with everything else that is here. Then there is the second white box just behind it, those strange-looking mechanical vertical wheels beside it, that possible raised cross just across the street..........., and numerous other anomalies in this general area yet to be posted!! 

I do believe that there is something overall significant for us to see here at Santa Maria Crater.

ArMaP, I don't think you have commented on the "mechanical wheels" posted earlier here yet either?? :)

Title: Re: Anomalies of the Mars Santa Maria (Crater)
Post by: ArMaP on February 16, 2015, 01:46:42 AM
Quote from: rdunk on February 15, 2015, 10:14:59 PM
:) You are right about the "expected", but I did expect you to "see" them both, because they are just there to see.
I suppose I have to look more carefully. :)

QuoteAbout the "just part of the rock" you mentioned - That "rock" has some peculiar features, for it to be "just a rock"! First, the shaped white box that is obviously attached to that structure is very unusual.
I don't think it looks "obviously attached", as to me it looks part of the rock, and not unusual.

QuoteSecondly, the raised opening with horizontal line top and vertical sides in the front lower part of that "rock" is very unusual for "just a rock"! Rather it is more like an entry-way. Notice there is some type of lighter color material covering the floor of that entry-way, and one can see the shadow striking it on & into/under the  entry-way opening.
I really have to look more carefully at the photo, as I don't see any thing like that description. ???

QuoteArMaP, I don't think you have commented on the "mechanical wheels" posted earlier here yet either?? :)
I didn't comment because they look nothing like wheels to me.
Title: Re: Anomalies of the Mars Santa Maria (Crater)
Post by: Pimander on February 16, 2015, 02:03:01 AM
I can see the cross shape (it looks like a rock casting four bands of shadow in a cross shape) but I am having problems seeing anything else.  I definitely can't see an air conditioning unit.

rdunk, I think you need to add more labels to your pictures so that we can see exactly what your description matches as I am more confused now you explained it more.  I'll admit I'm not great at image analysis so other people can probably see more but it is easy to see patterns, like when we look up to the clouds.
Title: Re: Anomalies of the Mars Santa Maria (Crater)
Post by: rdunk on February 18, 2015, 02:48:35 AM
ArMaP said, "I didn't comment because they look nothing like wheels to me".

ArMaP, but do you see the "circular features" of elements noted in the posted pic?? Not referring to ground rolling type wheels, but rather working type wheels, like cog wheels, sprocket wheels, water wheels, gear wheels, ,etc. - I initially simply said "mechanical wheels"! The features are not representative of rocks at all, and if you can notice, the small wheel nearest to us in the pic shows us that it is mostly open on the inside of it. Very typical of some sprocket/cog wheels on this Earth.

I do wonder the purpose of these mechanical wheel-type anomalies. Maybe to pump water from underground/etc, etc, etc.......... . :))


(http://s2.postimg.org/4weubk9g9/Wheels_w_Descriptions_W_Ring_Screen_shot_2013.jpg)
Title: Re: Anomalies of the Mars Santa Maria (Crater)
Post by: ArMaP on February 18, 2015, 05:13:32 PM
Quote from: rdunk on February 18, 2015, 02:48:35 AM
ArMaP, but do you see the "circular features" of elements noted in the posted pic??
I see them, but I don't think they are circular (they look more elliptical), so they do not look like wheels to me. :)

QuoteThe features are not representative of rocks at all, and if you can notice, the small wheel nearest to us in the pic shows us that it is mostly open on the inside of it.
I think the features are common in the rocks present on that area, only the general shape is slightly unusual.

QuoteI do wonder the purpose of these mechanical wheel-type anomalies. Maybe to pump water from underground/etc, etc, etc.......... . :))
Rocks don't have a specific purpose, so I don't wonder about anything about it. ;)
Title: Re: Anomalies of the Mars Santa Maria (Crater)
Post by: rdunk on February 18, 2015, 07:20:00 PM
ArMaP, it is very obvious that that the wheel-features I have noted above are not "elliptical", as you suggest. For sure one can see nearly 1/2 of the nearest wheel, and it is perfectly circular - at least that is what I see on my display screen! And......, we can see enough of each of the other three to know they are most likely circular too.

No, from what I see, these are not common rocks, nor rocks of any sort. These wheel anomalies present us here with possible more proof of intelligent design, useful for some purpose on Mars. :)
Title: Re: Anomalies of the Mars Santa Maria (Crater)
Post by: ArMaP on February 18, 2015, 08:43:03 PM
Quote from: rdunk on February 18, 2015, 07:20:00 PM
ArMaP, it is very obvious that that the wheel-features I have noted above are not "elliptical", as you suggest.
I know that a circumference in perspective is an ellipse, but I don't think perspective alone is responsible for the elliptical shape I see.

If those are perfect circumferences then you should be able to perfectly fit a circle over them. I'm too lazy to try it. ;D
Title: Re: Anomalies of the Mars Santa Maria (Crater)
Post by: rdunk on March 18, 2015, 09:57:40 PM
This next anomaly I am posting from the Santa maria Mars Crater is not a significant piece, but is significant for what it possibly implies - intelligent design - as so do many anomalies in this general area. I call this one a "White Designed Piece". What I see is a small somewhat circular multi-layer stepped object that has the look (Earth experience) of possibly being similar to a "top-cap" of some sort of vertical constructed item/tower.

I have noted this anomaly in the pic within a pink ring, in a pic with a couple of the other anomalies I have noted earlier in this OP. This piece is just laying there in the pic, with no seeable connective relationship to anything else there. 

That is what I see - what do you see? :)

(http://s22.postimg.org/bazncoe4h/Santa_Maria_White_Designed_Piece_w_other_Anomal.png)
Title: Re: Anomalies of the Mars Santa Maria (Crater)
Post by: ArMaP on March 18, 2015, 11:53:49 PM
Quote from: rdunk on March 18, 2015, 09:57:40 PM
That is what I see - what do you see? :)
Nothing specific, it's too small, without enough detail.
Title: Re: Anomalies of the Mars Santa Maria (Crater)
Post by: rdunk on March 19, 2015, 01:13:36 AM
Quote from: ArMaP on March 18, 2015, 11:53:49 PM
Nothing specific, it's too small, without enough detail.

ArMaP, would you like to borrow my glasses? :) The white/light color piece in the pink circle shows up just fine, even from a significant distance photo shot. As I said, not much to look at, but is very un-natural looking, as I see it!
Title: Re: Anomalies of the Mars Santa Maria (Crater)
Post by: zazzafrazz on March 19, 2015, 01:25:58 AM
The cross is behind in the "valley" it's not on top of the rock.

OP, can you clarify, if this is an impact crater, you think humanoids planted a cross there after the fire, heat and general crushing?
Or it survived the impact?
Title: Re: Anomalies of the Mars Santa Maria (Crater)
Post by: ArMaP on March 19, 2015, 01:33:34 AM
Quote from: rdunk on March 19, 2015, 01:13:36 AM
ArMaP, would you like to borrow my glasses? :)
No, thanks, I see well enough at the distance to the screen, my work and most of my hobbies rely on it. :)

When I say that's too small I am talking about the size of the feature in relation to the size of the pixels, as something that has just a couple of pixels doesn't have enough detail for us to see its real shape.
Title: Re: Anomalies of the Mars Santa Maria (Crater)
Post by: rdunk on March 19, 2015, 04:15:47 AM
Quote from: zazzafrazz on March 19, 2015, 01:25:58 AM
The cross is behind in the "valley" it's not on top of the rock.

OP, can you clarify, if this is an impact crater, you think humanoids planted a cross there after the fire, heat and general crushing?
Or it survived the impact?

Hey zazzafrazz, I appreciate your first forum post here being on my OP!! :) Welcome to the forum, and I will look forward to your comments to the many posts of everyone.! We may not always see things in the same way, but then often we do not have much help from NASA to work with in these anomaly posts, especially when they mess with the photos!

Relative to your comment here, about the placement of the cross. we do see it differently. To my view, the cross is on top of the flat surfaced whatever-it-is, and I assume there is some shadowing at and away from its base - just the way I see it.

There also numerous other anomalous items in this area, so feel free to post any that you might see.

Re: your question zazzafrazz about the crater - yes, it is an impact crater, and that is pretty much fact.....according to NASA. And......the NASA Rover photos themselves should be considered fact, except when they appear to have what looks like tampering. But for sure fact ends when we start conjecturing this or that about what humanoids might have done. However, there are other "impact craters" on Mars wherein the rover photos also seemingly (IM0) to indicate "perfect strikes" upon areas having demonstration of humanoid/intelligent design type presence.

Again, thanks for your comments!! :)


Title: Re: Anomalies of the Mars Santa Maria (Crater)
Post by: Pimander on March 19, 2015, 12:11:28 PM
Quote from: ArMaP on March 19, 2015, 01:33:34 AM
When I say that's too small I am talking about the size of the feature in relation to the size of the pixels, as something that has just a couple of pixels doesn't have enough detail for us to see its real shape.
So what is the point in the pictures?  What a waste of money. :P
Title: Re: Anomalies of the Mars Santa Maria (Crater)
Post by: ArMaP on March 19, 2015, 02:47:38 PM
Quote from: Pimander on March 19, 2015, 12:11:28 PM
So what is the point in the pictures?  What a waste of money. :P
It's not a waste of money because when they want to see something with a better resolution they move the rover closer to the intended target.

Anyone interested in analysing the photos should take into account the limitations of the data used for their work  and act accordingly.
Title: Re: Anomalies of the Mars Santa Maria (Crater)
Post by: rdunk on March 19, 2015, 03:50:52 PM
The specific shape of this and other anomalies in this thread are seable, for me, or I wouldn't post them! :o

As I see it, this white piece is even seeable in the totally unmagnified NASA photo, and its shape is the same as when fully magnified. Of course, knowing where to look in the photo helps to "see it" in its unmagnified photo condition! And this white piece looks just as unnatural unmagnified as it does when magnified, "IF ONE IS ABLE TO SEEE IT"!!! :)
Title: Re: Anomalies of the Mars Santa Maria (Crater)
Post by: ArMaP on March 19, 2015, 05:46:14 PM
After rereading your first post about this last "anomaly", I think I didn't see it because I was looking for a white object.

Are you talking about the object marked in red in the image below?

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/rdunk_1.jpg)

If you are, then I see it, and it looks like the other striated rocks on that area.
Title: Re: Anomalies of the Mars Santa Maria (Crater)
Post by: Dyna on March 19, 2015, 06:05:40 PM
I wonder if we know the geological makeup of the area? I think the rock in the foreground looks like Tuff or Pumac. Like Wheeler Geologic Area in San Juan Mountains area maybe. If so that would be the cause of the "fuzzy" look to it.
Title: Re: Anomalies of the Mars Santa Maria (Crater)
Post by: rdunk on March 19, 2015, 06:44:04 PM
Quote from: Dyna on March 19, 2015, 06:05:40 PM
I wonder if we know the geological makeup of the area? I think the rock in the foreground looks like Tuff or Pumac. Like Wheeler Geologic Area in San Juan Mountains area maybe. If so that would be the cause of the "fuzzy" look to it.

Hi Dyna! I suppose something like that could be possible, but it usually seems to generally be happening on Mars wherein it looks more like it has been "applied" to just some of the rocks. And the application of "stuff' here seems to be on more thigs, and just "some" of the rocks. And some of the "application" results in looking like thatchy web-like stuff, as can be noted in several places here - like on the circular wheel anomalies posted earlier in this thread, and seeable in this latest anomaly pic too. It is easy to see that these wheel looking affairs are not rocks, and it is also easy to see the type-covering that almost hides them. And if one looks closely, one can see that "fuzzy-look" you mention is obviously on more than just the rock features.
Title: Re: Anomalies of the Mars Santa Maria (Crater)
Post by: Pimander on March 21, 2015, 01:48:27 AM
Quote from: ArMaP on March 19, 2015, 02:47:38 PM
It's not a waste of money because when they want to see something with a better resolution they move the rover closer.
We need a closer shot of the Cross of Santa Maria.  Send the rover back please NASA!  The Martians are all Catholics.  ;D
Title: Re: Anomalies of the Mars Santa Maria (Crater)
Post by: rdunk on March 21, 2015, 02:30:49 AM
Quote from: Pimander on March 21, 2015, 01:48:27 AM
We need a closer shot of the Cross of Santa Maria.  Send the rover back please NASA!  The Martians are all Catholics.  ;D

Well, maybe more specifically Pi, they must be "Egyptian Catholics", since they also sculpted the Egyptian statue on the wall of Saint Vincent's Cape in the Victoria Crater!! :))
Title: Re: Anomalies of the Mars Santa Maria (Crater)
Post by: Sgt.Rocknroll on March 21, 2015, 04:38:40 AM
Need ARMAP to tell me exactly he got those img files. Want to look at them with HiRise.
Title: Re: Anomalies of the Mars Santa Maria (Crater)
Post by: rdunk on March 21, 2015, 06:07:47 AM
Quote from: ArMaP on March 19, 2015, 05:46:14 PM
After rereading your first post about this last "anomaly", I think I didn't see it because I was looking for a white object.

Are you talking about the object marked in red in the image below?

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/rdunk_1.jpg)

If you are, then I see it, and it looks like the other striated rocks on that area.

Yes, ArMaP, the "piece" that you have colored red is it, but the way I see it, it is not "just a natural pile of rocks". Rather it appears to me to be some sort of intelligent designed piece - multi level and semi-conical shaped, and larger at the base.
Title: Re: Anomalies of the Mars Santa Maria (Crater)
Post by: ArMaP on March 21, 2015, 04:33:27 PM
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on March 21, 2015, 04:38:40 AM
Need ARMAP to tell me exactly he got those img files. Want to look at them with HiRise.
Sorry, I don't understand what you mean, can you rephrase it?

Thanks in advance. :)
Title: Re: Anomalies of the Mars Santa Maria (Crater)
Post by: ArMaP on March 21, 2015, 04:34:16 PM
Quote from: rdunk on March 21, 2015, 06:07:47 AM
Yes, ArMaP, the "piece" that you have colored red is it, but the way I see it, it is not "just a natural pile of rocks". Rather it appears to me to be some sort of intelligent designed piece - multi level and semi-conical shaped, and larger at the base.
Your use of "just a natural pile of rocks" makes it look like you are quoting me, but I didn't say that.
Title: Re: Anomalies of the Mars Santa Maria (Crater)
Post by: Pimander on March 21, 2015, 05:00:02 PM
I think the "pink" thing is a single rock.  I agree with ArMaP that it is striated in a similar way to other rocks in the picture.  The "cross" is more interesting but we need better images to know more about it in my opinion.
Title: Re: Anomalies of the Mars Santa Maria (Crater)
Post by: rdunk on March 21, 2015, 05:07:58 PM
Quote from: ArMaP on March 21, 2015, 04:34:16 PM
Your use of "just a natural pile of rocks" makes it look like you are quoting me, but I didn't say that.

You are right ArMaP! You did not say specifically "a pile of rocks". What you said was, "It looks like the other striated rocks on that area", which I assume means you think it looks like other natural (you think) rocks in that area!

The way I see this featured anomaly, it either is an intelligent designed and crafted piece (which I believe it to be), or it is as you in essence said, "Just your pile of natural striated rocks like the other striated rocks in that area".  :)
Title: Re: Anomalies of the Mars Santa Maria (Crater)
Post by: ArMaP on March 21, 2015, 05:12:16 PM
Quote from: rdunk on March 21, 2015, 05:07:58 PM
You are right ArMaP! You did not say specifically "a pile of rocks". What you said was, "It looks like the other striated rocks on that area", which I assume means you think it looks like other natural (you think) rocks in that area!
To be clearer about it, what I think that's a piece of a larger striated rock, like others in that photo.

QuoteThe way I see this featured anomaly, it either is an intelligent designed and crafted piece (which I believe it to be), or it is as you in essence said, "Just your pile of natural striated rocks like the other striated rocks in that area".  :)
Please stop using the word "pile" when referring to what I wrote, as I think that's one piece of rock, not a pile.

If you think that's an intelligent designed and crafted piece, what do you say about the other objects with a similar look?
Title: Re: Anomalies of the Mars Santa Maria (Crater)
Post by: rdunk on March 21, 2015, 06:14:46 PM
Quote from: Pimander on March 21, 2015, 05:00:02 PM
I think the "pink" thing is a single rock.  I agree with ArMaP that it is striated in a similar way to other rocks in the picture.  The "cross" is more interesting but we need better images to know more about it in my opinion.

Pi, thanks for your comments! Yes, these NASA photos are difficult for us, as they are taken from above and at considerable distance from the several features of interest to be seen here - thus considerable magnification is required to achieve a more satisfactory viewing result. 

I also agree that this anomaly is a "single piece", but I see it as having a crafted look. It seems to have 3 circular levels of decreasing size leading to a knobby/pointy piece on the end. Are these 4 different pieces put together, or just 1 crafted/sculpted piece?? As I said prior, it has the look of things we do in Earth construction - ie conical pointy pieces on top of vertical building features.

And Pi, while I was shocked when I saw the "Cross of Santa Maria", to me, the "circular mechanical whees and the 2 white boxes are also just as telling, relative to the thought of "something" is, or was, going on here at this crater.

Too maybe help see this piece, I am posting a higher magnification of it - not really a better pic, but more easy to see the features.

(http://s29.postimg.org/oax3xh3bb/White_Piece_Hi_Mag_Screen_Shot_2015_03_21_at_12.jpg)
Title: Re: Anomalies of the Mars Santa Maria (Crater)
Post by: rdunk on March 21, 2015, 06:30:14 PM
ArMaP said, "If you think that's an intelligent designed and crafted piece, what do you say about the other objects with a similar look"?


ArMaP, I haven't seen any others that look like this one! However, I have numerous other shaped anomaly pieces that I will be posting in this thread. I certainly do not know what is going on in this crater, but there is considerable unnatural stuff still viewable, in spite of the "photo work"! :)

Title: Re: Anomalies of the Mars Santa Maria (Crater)
Post by: guerande on March 21, 2015, 10:17:44 PM
Hi Armap , I think Sgt Rock would like the coordinates
( references) of the pics you are examining , to study it
or/and find it in HiRise

All the best : )
Title: Re: Anomalies of the Mars Santa Maria (Crater)
Post by: Sgt.Rocknroll on March 21, 2015, 11:40:53 PM
Quote from: guerande on March 21, 2015, 10:17:44 PM
Hi Armap , I think Sgt Rock would like the coordinates
( references) of the pics you are examining , to study it
or/and find it in HiRise

All the best : )
Sort of.. I'd like the link to the img files so I can download them myself. The highest res possible
Title: Re: Anomalies of the Mars Santa Maria (Crater)
Post by: ArMaP on March 22, 2015, 01:24:41 AM
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on March 21, 2015, 11:40:53 PM
Sort of.. I'd like the link to the img files so I can download them myself. The highest res possible
As I said on page, I used the "Opportunity Analyst's Notebook" site, and here's (http://an.rsl.wustl.edu/su/g9Y5BdDb2n) a direct link to the page of the photo from the opening post. :)
Title: Re: Anomalies of the Mars Santa Maria (Crater)
Post by: rdunk on March 22, 2015, 01:25:58 AM
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on March 21, 2015, 11:40:53 PM
Sort of.. I'd like the link to the img files so I can download them myself. The highest res possible

Sarge, here are some of the original Rover Opportunity photo links, which I did include in the OP - Mars sol days 2453 and 2454. There are many photos taken on those 2 days, most of which are just generally around the crater. The photos for my OP here are taken by Rover Opportunity sitting high upon a ledge, looking down and away, taking the photos

Sarge, I hope these help!! :)

http://mars.nasa.gov/mer/gallery/all/1/p/2453/1P345956255EFFB0J3P2298R2M1.JPG

http://mars.nasa.gov/mer/gallery/all/1/p/2453/1P345956516EFFB0J3P2298R2M4.JPG

And the full Panoramic camera shots for Sol 2453: http://mars.nasa.gov/mer/gallery/all/opportunity_p2453.html

For 2454 : http://mars.nasa.gov/mer/gallery/all/opportunity_p2454.html
Title: Re: Anomalies of the Mars Santa Maria (Crater)
Post by: Sgt.Rocknroll on March 22, 2015, 02:29:32 AM
Thanks Rdunk & ArMap  ;D